The Bossticks - Olivia Ponton On Body Image Perception, Sexuality, Wellness Practices, & Mental Health

Episode Date: May 4, 2023

#567: Today we're sitting down with Olivia Ponton, model, social media personality & wellness advocate. Olivia Ponton quickly shot to internet stardom in early 2020, shortly after signing to Wilhelmina Models NYC. At just 20 years old, Olivia has now amassed over 11 million followers and 780 million views across her social media platforms & recently posed for Sports Illustrated in 2022. Olivia joins us today to discuss her experience coming out as pansexual, her experience as a young model & how the industry can manipulate young women. She also gets into how she deals with internet trolls and why she emphasizes the importance of self care & wellness in her daily life. She also discusses her own wellness practices and how she maintains her mental and physical health.   To connect with Olivia Ponton click HERE To connect with Lauryn Evarts click HERE To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE Subscribe to our YouTube channel HERE For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM To Call the Him & Her Hotline call: 1-833-SKINNYS (754-6697) This episode is brought to you by The Skinny Confidential This episode is brought to you by Vroom You can buy a car from Vroom entirely online. So, next time you need to buy a car, just grab your phone, go to Vroom.com, and check out thousands of cars.   This episode is brought to you by SKIMS SKIMS is the solution-oriented brand creating the next generation of underwear, loungewear, and shapewear for EVERY body.  Get free shipping on orders over $75 at SKIMS.com This episode is brought to you by Cymbiotika Cymbiotika is a health supplement company, designing sophisticated organic formulations that are scientifically proven to increase vitality and longevity by filling nutritional gaps that result from our modern day diet. Use code SKINNY at checkout to receive 15% off your purchase at cymbiotika.com This episode is brought to you by Squarespace From websites and online stores to marketing tools and analytics, Squarespace is the all-in-one platform to build a beautiful online presence and run your business. Go to squarespace.com/skinny for a free trial & use code SKINNY for 10% off your first purchase of a website domain. This episode is brought to you by Hatch Hatch taps into your circadian rhythm every morning with a gradual sunrise alarm that wakes you gently. Go to hatch.co and get free expedited shipping on a Restore 2 Alarm Clock. This episode is brought to you by Topgolf The Topgolf experience has a vibe – it's all about play and having fun. Download the Topgolf app today & book a bay. Produced by Dear Media

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I showed up to a specific set. It was in Brooklyn, and I was 18 at the time. We go through hair and makeup. We're talking about hours. We're doing our fitting and then all of a sudden we're shooting starts off with like oh bring the jacket like a little bit Back and then you know slowly take off the jacket and then you know would you feel comfortable doing this or doing that and then all of a sudden you get to point or they're like basically asking you to get naked and you're like wait I actually I don't want you to have photos of me like that. I actually don't feel comfortable doing that because I feel like a few years ago You couldn't say that they'd be like okay go home and now you can finally have a say with being like actually I don't feel too comfortable

with that. Is there any way we can steer clear of that? Hello, hello, hello. Today we're sitting down with Olivia Ponto. She's a model social media personality and wellness advocate. Her skin was so glowy. I asked her all the questions. We talk about body image, social media and affecting the way you view yourself, eating disorders, the modeling industry, coming out as pansexual, how to break out on social media. Olivia's must have products, femininity, dealing with trolls, wellness practices, and how she deals with stress. This episode was a fun one. We really asked her so many different questions.

It is a bag of checks mix. On that note, a little background. Olivia Pontone quickly shot to internet stardom in early 2020 after signing to Willamina models in New York City at 20 years old. She now amassed a following of 11 million followers and 780 million views across her social channels, which is wild. And what I love about this episode is there's so many photos of her.

There's so many videos. but this episode really gets to the core of who she is. She's vulnerable. She's amazing. I think you're going to love it. Olivia, welcome to the show. This is the skinny confidential, him and her. Let's go back before you were this famous, huge all-star on social media.

How did you grow up? What was your childhood like? My childhood was the beachiest girl you can possibly imagine. I grew up in Naples, Florida, which is like a total beach town. and I grew up basically waking up, going to school, bringing my bikini with me in the car, and then going to the beach after, and then working out eventually at the beach. What are some things that you look back on on your childhood and you can pinpoint where you struggled?

Honestly, with like acceptance of myself, if that makes any sense, like I feel like, especially with like the LGBTQ aspect of it, I definitely can look back and be like, wow, there are some pretty red flags that I feel like I should have noticed. and then also just like in high school. I feel like everyone kind of experiences like high school bullies and whatnot. And that was just definitely something I struggle with with like not having friends because I feel like my mindset was totally different from like the classic normal 16-year-old body self that we were going through. What would you get bullied for?

Honestly, like just the randomest things like my body is like one thing that's like obviously very out there. In my hometown, it's very very. having a thicker body and having like the thick thighs and the huge butt and the huge moves was like very popular at my high school. I don't have any of that. So that was definitely something that I would get bullied for. Whereas like my friends, they would like all have that. And you know, it was a very athletic build. But it was a totally different. I mean, obviously every body shape is totally different. So mine just like didn't match up to what their beauty standards was. You grew up, I feel like at a time where there, there's a lot of social media. Yeah. We didn't have that in high school. I can't imagine. Was there is there more. of a dynamic that comes along with that when you're already struggling with your body image in high school and then you also have social media on top of it. Really aging us there, Laurenches.

You were fucking paging me when I was 12. I don't think I had a smartphone or close. I don't think I even had a phone with a screen until like after college. I played snake in high school. Wait, I played that too. You did? Yes. Yeah, but it was the same kind of snake that I was playing.

I'm not sure. Did you have to press a blocking number key like three? Yeah. Yeah, we had to do like the up, down, side, side buttons. Okay. Okay, okay, okay. I feel a little better. But you had, social media was very relevant.

Yeah, I mean, I think this just was even like a positive impact for me was the fact that like Victoria's Secret models were like huge during my middle school and high school era. And I was, although, like, looking back at it, it was very hard for my mental health looking at these like 22 to 25 year old women who were like beautiful. I had these huge boobs and were like 5, 10. And I think looking back at that, I mean, there was definitely times where I went to the beach and, like, I taped my boobs together and, like, taped my thighs together because I wanted to, like, before seen as, like, this Victoria Secret Angel was 13 years old. Like, I was not supposed to look like a 22-year-old woman at the time. And I think that was definitely that was super interesting. Do you think that this was perpetuated through social media, though, the way that you were feeling or is it, like, more internal in your high school? I think, honestly, it was more internal in my high school.

Like, social media definitely was affecting it. I would say, like, my junior and senior year. But at that point, I think I had, like, given up completely what other people had thought about me that it didn't hurt as much as if I did care. Eating disorders, is that something that you've experienced directly? 1,000%. I think it truly was a little bit more affected by the modeling industry rather than, high school, like, I never really experienced an eating disorder until I reached social media

until I had modeling aspect of it all. Just because of the pressure of putting yourself out there and having people kind of chime in and judge? Yes, 100%. Do you remember something? Whenever someone comes on here and they talk about their eating disorder, they can remember like a moment that it clicked in. Like they saw something in a magazine or Crystal came on and she was talking about how

she watched a video in school of someone. who was bulimic and so she went home and she did that. Was there like a moment or an epiphany that you experienced? I was in Europe and I was at a fitting or I was at a casting and I just heard them talk about me for probably like five minutes straight in Italian and I was so confused and I didn't really process why they were like not looking at me in a certain way and then I realized that I didn't get the job and then you can kind of just put two and two together and realize that they were talking about you. And I think then walking the streets after, and especially in Europe, you can pinpoint who's a model in the streets. It's like very obvious. It's like the people that are wearing all black and,

you know, they're like thin. And I think after that one trip that I went on, it just like kind of went downhill from there. I just finished Rose McGowan's book called Brave. You guys should read it. It's really good. But she talks about the same experience of casting directors openly talking about the way you look in front of you. That is demeaning. It's the weirdest experience. It's almost like you're like a prop. Yeah.

Like it's like you don't have feelings. You're like you're supposed to just be numb and then you walk in and you know, you have five to 15 minutes to basically convince these people to book you or to like you. And I don't know. That's a long enough time. But realistically, I think it takes more of like a conversation where they don't want to have conversations with 100 different girls. You have to somehow figure out a way to stand out.

And that is one of the hardest things with modeling. I think that's what's so great, though, now with TikTok and Instagram and all this. It's like you can appeal to the people that you should be appealing to. And yes, there's trolls and all that. But like, it's also like you can find your people direct as opposed to having to go through these casting directors and then having them put you out. Does that make sense? Yeah, 100%. Which is, that's kind of how I started just with modeling in that aspect because the casting director.

were so harsh and the modeling agencies were so I remember the first modeling agency that I ever even spoke to about modeling which I've never even talked about this she told me I was very small when I first started modeling I wasn't even I think I was 5657 so I hadn't even completely grown into my body yet and she told me this like looking back at it a disgusting diet that I had to follow it was like a mixture of keto and vegan but like cutting out all carbs all dairy I've I I quintessentially had to eat like salads for every single meal. And I did it for like two weeks. And I told my mom, my mom was like, what is wrong with you?

And I was like, oh, I'm trying this diet. And I had no personality. And I was like, is that what modeling agencies expect from girls to like have zero personality or even like just like a glow? And they just want you to be like this like stick thin prop, basically. What changed your mindset to pivot from modeling to what you're doing now? It was definitely during COVID. And I think just because modeling had stopped at the time, social media was picking up more during COVID.

I mean, there was never really like a change. I think it just kind of like went back and forth where we were like, okay, either I'm going to do this, well, I'm going to do that. And I'm trying right now to like mend them both together and just try to keep my mentality state up there. Well, it seems like you're very, very beautiful. And to me, you look like a model, but you also have this personality. And it sounds like with modeling, they just want to showcase the way you look. and you, like, you're more than that.

It's like you want, you want to show a more multifaceted. Yeah, because I think a lot of models get like outspoken, but they don't have a voice a lot of the time, especially, I mean, going on set and wearing clothes that you're not comfortable in or X, Y, Z. It's really nice to finally, I guess, have a voice in certain things. You don't have to feel awkward, you know, going on set and they want you to, like, pose nude.

And you're like, wait, I actually don't feel comfortable doing that because I feel like a few years ago, you couldn't say that. They'd be like, okay, go home. And now you can finally have a say with being like, actually, I don't feel too comfortable with that. Is there any way we can steer clear of that? So can you look back on your modeling career and there's times when you went to a job and they're like, take your clothes off?

Yeah. That was like one of the first ones in New York that I was like, wait, what? They don't give you like a list of what you're doing before. Walk us through that. I don't understand. So you show up there and they're just like, they spray. bring it on you. I mean, I showed up to this specific set. It was in Brooklyn, and I showed up, and I was 18 at the time. And, you know, we go through hair and makeup. We're talking about

outfits. We're doing our fitting. And then all of a sudden we're shooting. And, you know, it starts off with like, oh, bring the jacket, like a little bit back. And then, you know, slowly take off the jacket. And then, you know, would you feel comfortable doing this or doing that? And then all of a sudden you get to point where they're like basically asking you to get naked. And you're like, wait, I actually, I'm 18 years old. Like, I don't want you to have photos of me like that. And what are they, what can they even do with those photos? Can they, they can't publish them?

Look, for certain brands, like, they can publish them. It depends on their brand. Look what happened to Amarada. What happened? Oh, for the, she was young model, and she went, she tells the story at her book. She went to this guy's house, really young. Photographer? Like, not famous yet.

She went to a photographer's house, which, like, I could see, like, I used to do things like that. I've done that. I would go to, like, you go to the photographer's house. I would, like, shoot pictures. Like, it was, like, very casual. She shot pictures. He took a bunch of naked photos of her on Polaroids.

And then he kept him. And he kept them. And they're beautiful photos. And then literally, like, 10 years later, when she was famous, he published a book. And it's legal for him to do. It's legal for him to do. Oh, because they're his photos. They're his photos.

Oh, shit. He published a book. It's this thick. I think he also published part two of all her naked photos. And there was nothing she could do. And he made money of it? Yeah. Wow.

That's pretty fucked up. It's pretty fucked up. Yeah. And I think just also looking back at it, I mean, this was only like two years ago and realizing that I also thought that was normal, I would go over to photographers' houses and take photos with them. And, you know, I think this also just stems from like a deeper insecurity. like I was never comfortable with my body.

So even when photographers would ask me like shoot naked, I'd be like honestly, like I'm not even that secure in myself right now. Like I don't feel comfortable taking photos like that. But I remember that photo shoot in Brooklyn was the first time where I was like, they gave me like, I said no and they were kind of just like, okay, you need to do this. And I was like, wait, like, I'm 18 years old. Like you don't need naked photos of me. Like this isn't something that you really need for this shot.

Like it doesn't make sense also. And I'm really happy that I pushed back. because I've shot with other photographers, but it's not necessarily nude, but it's like very sexual photos. And even like two years later, they'll post them on their Instagram and they'll tag me.

And I'm like, this was shot two years ago. I was freshly 18. You can see my entire body. I'm like, well, I'll DM them back. And I'll be like, hey, like, do you mind deleting that? Like, I was 18 years old.

I'm, like, that's totally different. Do they delete it? No. I bet you they see the DM at the top and they just don't open it. I will say something about, photographers and you you know more than about this than me but so tell me this is changed and this isn't every photographer so if you're photographer don't like come for me you have a photographer

community coming at the show now learn a lot of male photographers let off this energy that makes you feel less than when you're young it's an energy of like you want to like prove to them like to get their approval yeah it's an energy i can't explain what i imagine they use other and maybe in your field saying like, well, this person did this and you're not doing this. So maybe you're not going to be as successful. They're dismissive. Yeah. I would say it's manipulative.

I don't know if that's the right word, but they're good. Like you're saying, they'll be like, oh, well, this model did this photo shoot last month and it's published in Vogue. You need to be doing this. And I'm like, well, first of all, this is not a Vogue photo shoot. I'm not that established of a model. And you want me to take these nude photos for you a 22-year-old man to have them. it's across the board too. Or they'll also,

they'll name drop to make, oh, I just shot with, they kind of cut you down and then they put you in front of the camera to sort of pretend to build you up. It is very manipulative. From that perspective,

if you can put someone in a weakened state of mind where they're maybe feeling a little insecure, and they're like, oh, I better perform and I better do this. Because, I mean, you're probably one of the

luckier ones that had the confidence to be like, no, I'm not doing that. But I imagine there's many that don't have. have that kind of confidence and they give in. A lot of my friends, we've talked about this so many times of just like the crazy situations that we've put in, that we've been put in, where we've done

some very question, like looking back at it, very questionable things. And we're like, huh, that's crazy how they manipulated me into that situation. And I didn't even process it until two years later when I'm in therapy. You sometimes don't process it in the moment and you look back and you're just like, it's not something you would have done if you had a minute to reflect. It's borderline narcissistic of the photographer. It's a lot going on. And then the thing about the pictures

is then they have the pictures. It's not like the act is done and then you walk away and you're just like, oh, that's a horrible memory. That's traumatic. It's like there's also pictures that they have in their possession

for however long. And then they can post them. Exactly. And I think that's where it gets the most messy is, you know, you might say yes when you're 17, 16 that age, but then you get, like, the whole Emily thing, then she gets when she's like 30 or whatever age it would be, then they decide to publish them. It's like, well, what if, you know, you do something that you mess up on when you're 16 years old

and then it comes out when you're 26? Like, obviously you're not the same person, but it's a photographer in their mind, knowing that they can get something off of it. And then they get clout later on. It's just, it's a whole spiral. You just came out as bisexual recently. Looking back on your childhood, can you pinpoint a moment that you knew you were bisexual very young?

Or do you not know? I'm pansexual, which I know that's not that big of a difference. Explain the difference for anyone who's listening that doesn't know. Pansexual is just basically you don't care about anything. Like I, this is how I like to explain it. I don't care about gender. I don't care how you look. I don't care about any of that.

I'm a very strictly emotional person. and whether it is a guy, whether it is a girl, whether it's not binary person, transgender, it's open to completely and everything. I appreciate you telling us the difference because I know there's a lot of people that listening that want to be, want to say the correct thing and they don't know the difference. Yeah. And I think how you had explained like that's very digestible. Yeah.

A lot of, even when I came out, a lot of my friends were like, wait, what does that mean? And I'm like, well, I was talking to this non-binary person. And then I did some research. And I was like, wait, okay, there's a guess a different term for that, which I do think it is a very interesting topic because bisexual is like just for females and men or females and men. So when you look back on your childhood, did you know that that was something that was always your preference or has it evolved? I think in high school I was so insecure with myself that I really crave male validation like a lot. I was boy crazy. I've always been boy crazy.

I've always just been like relationship crazy. and looking back at it, definitely a lot of the people that I liked was because I blatantly craved validation. But, I mean, you would get in relationships to basically feel some way about yourself because you weren't.

I've never had like a boyfriend until I was 18 because none of them would date me. I don't know, it's a very weird. I don't know. When you say date you like meaning boyfriend girlfriend or like? Like I never had to go out with you. Yeah.

Like they wouldn't even, I didn't, I was 17 when I got, taken on my first actual date and it was by like a guy that was much older than me. So looking back at that, that was a red flag, but I didn't really process it at the time either. Is that something because you didn't want you or? No, I just, I would, I've asked many boys to be my boyfriend or like to go out and they would either just say no or make up some excuse. Pamela Anderson just gave the best tip.

I'm obsessed with this tip. I can't stop talking about it. She said on the documentary, she goes, this is how you get someone to marry you. You say, I'm never marrying you. I'm never marrying you. I'm never marrying you. I'm never going to date you. It's a fucking lose.

Like, it's never going to happen. And then they're obsessed with you. Well, people like the chase, you know. Also that. And I feel like I should have definitely embodied that a little bit more because I was the complete opposite. I just craved. Like, everyone had a boyfriend or a girlfriend growing up.

And it was just like me. And I never had a boyfriend. I never had a girlfriend. I was obsessed with this one guy for like three years in my life. that like odd. We were like in a love triangle with like four other people. It was so messy. And I just like was obsessed with the toxicity of it and like that validation then I got from it. And then looking back at it was so obvious that it was not love at all. I told him I was in love with him. I did not love him at all. And he's kicking himself right now. He's a troll. He's user

855 underscore 218. Oh no. He's fully like reached back out to me in all these different times. The worst. I'm like, you. literally broke my heart like 37 times, but okay. So looking back on your childhood, when did you know that you were pansexual? Like what was the epiphany of that? Was it later? I think it was quite honestly when I met my ex-girlfriend, when it was, it all clicked. Because there was like a large part of my time where I wasn't sexually active because I just wasn't attracted to men at that point in my time of my life. And, you know, everyone else around me was like going out and, you know, hooking up with people and I just would crave that, but I never had

anyone that I was like, oh, yeah, like, I want to go kiss them right now. And then I met her and I all kind of just like mended together. And I was like, oh, that makes a lot of sense now. Did you meet her while you have your social presence going on? Yeah. It was probably, oh, this time, probably two years ago, maybe a little bit longer. I literally just saw her on my 40 page. and I was so confused by like the feeling that I was feeling. I was like, wait. You saw her on your 4U page and you like, you like fell for her then? Like I stalked her every single day for two weeks.

And then I just didn't have the balls to like DM her or anything. I just was like, I couldn't figure out for the longest time either if I wanted to be her or if there was like a deeper feeling in that. And a lot of it was like internalized homophobia that I was experiencing that I can now look back at. And what do you mean be her? Like I get what you're. Like some, I don't know. It's like, you guys don't understand.

Listen, I'm trying to keep up here. Yeah. No, like girls, like there's girls in high school that you like look at. I want to be her so badly. You're like, what lip loss is she wearing? Yeah, and it was kind of that thing because she was like a D1 athlete. She was blonde. She's beautiful in my opinion.

And I was like, we, is that like an alternate universe of like what I wanted to be and looking back at it? No, that's not what I wanted to be. It was just I liked her. So you slid in her DMs? Yeah. What'd you say? I said hi with like four eyes.

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It was, I sent her DMs and I like travel a lot for work. So I was traveling for a bit. And then she went back home for I think a month or so. So we like just didn't really talk that much. And then she ended up coming back to L.A. And that's why I lived at the time. And I like asked her to come over to my house. We were having like a movie night. Like I used to have in a huge house. house with, we do like a bunch of activities like that and she couldn't come over that night, but then she came over the next day, I think, for like a basketball game that we were hosting. And it was just the awkwardest experience I'd ever been in. I, like, did not know how to let this girl know that I was, like, interested in her.

I was so just kind of like, oh, yeah, like, she literally straight up asked me if I was gay and I was like, I, yeah, I'm bisexual, I think. I don't know. So, I don't know. She's like the first person I ever felt like safe with in that aspect. So how long did you guys date for? Like on the books like six months, but we were like on and off for like a year and a half, I think. And then at what point throughout this do you realize that you're pansexual? Um, I don't know like exact timelines, but like we would be like dating and then we would just not be on speaking terms.

and then we'd be dating and we wouldn't be on speaking terms. And I know one of the times I was on set for a job and there was a non-binary person on set. And I was like, wait, I really am interested in them. And then we just started talking more and started just getting more, I guess, educated on non-binary people because I at the time didn't have any friends that were non-binary. So I was just like very interested as itself.

It was just educating. Well, you tell the audience exactly what non-binary is. Yes. So non-binary is where you just don't go by. gender and you use like they them pronouns and I don't want to speak for non-binary people but it's kind of like where you don't feel like you're one certain gender I know some people like going back and forth some people just don't feel like either it's a very in my opinion it's like a very free space because you can just very openly be who you are and I yeah I love that about a person

and they can be like that free and open when you're going through all this you have a huge social media platform how are you managing all this you've got a lot going on with your social Because it's a lot. And I want to talk about the business side of it. I think it was like never expect. Okay. I guess when I was, you know, gaining my followers on TikTok, it was because I was this blonde beach girl that lived in Florida and I was just very like to a men's eyes. I was very appealing. And I had a lot of men followers in the beginning. And then I guess a lot of them were homophobic. because when I came out, a lot of them did not like it. And at the time, I came...

Maybe not homophobic, but maybe they just realized they lost their chance. Yeah, so maybe it was that sense as well. So I was very confused and I was like, wait, what is going on? Like, you experienced bullying and hate? Yeah, 100%. For men. Yeah. And all the types of people.

Yeah. I never for the life of me will understand why anyone cares what anyone's doing with their sexuality. Who cares? I still experience it. It's been like two years since I came out. You are right, though. A lot of it comes from a projection of maybe they're gay. Yeah, you honestly, you never know.

You know what I mean? And they're fearful. It's very fear-based. When someone's so angry. Yeah. And I remember I came out on social media. Like, I didn't even know that I came out into the next morning. I guess I was like really tired and I accidentally posted like the wrong video.

Then I wake up to the next morning. morning. It's like all these text messages being like, oh my God, congratulations. Like my best friend was sleeping over at my apartment at the time and she was sleeping in a different room. And she like comes up and wakes me up in the morning, be like, oh my God, congratulations. Like I was like, what are you talking about? And she's like, you came out. And I was like, no, I didn't. And she's like, go. Yes, you did. You posted something. And I was like, I was so baffled. I was like, I did not mean to post that last night. Were you like drunk or were you just tired? I was just a wrong video. To this day, I don't remember posting it.

And I mean, I'm not mad about it. I mean, it's out there. So I was like, sorry, even posted for like 12 hours. And so with the business side of what you do, what does that look like? What does the back end look like? I know how much work goes into the,

like you got a lot going on. Tell us behind the scenes. Creating TikToks of posting all your Instagrams, your stories, everything else you've got going on, which we're going to talk about in a second. How are you managing all these different moving parts? I have a beautiful assistant named Katie. She's right there. She helps me a lot. I think in the beginning, I mean, I do it because I love it. And I've always said the moment I stop loving it, I'm going to

stop it entirely. And there was a long time where I was like, okay, I think I'm just going to pull away slowly. And I think genuinely a part of it comes from the fact that I love sharing my life with everyone and like kind of my journey. And I love that it's like a public diary. So I can look back in two or three years where I'm like, my gosh, remember? And I lived in New York and I was 20 years old with like all my best friends and, you know, kind of that aspect of things. And I mean managing it for that aspect. I think it's just something that you have to do 24-7. I'm sure you guys know. It's like a 24-7, your brain, my brain never shuts off from work. And I think that is a whole other thing that I talk about in therapy a lot because I don't know how to just be like, okay, go to sleep now,

like stop working. It's just like a 20-for-7 all the time. What's, I know you can't give me a day in the life because every day is different. I feel that. But like, what's, what are some things that you're doing every day behind the scenes for work? Mm-hmm. Every day for work. I guess finding, like, a way to share my life in a way that people can one relate to in one and two, almost like come along in a sense where it's like, okay, like they may be out home today, but like they can live my life through their shoes if that makes any sense. So I guess my question is, are you like batching a bunch of content on a Monday? Or are you just naturally showing it as you go? Definitely more naturally as I go, which I know when you batch all your content, that's way easier to do. But I feel like because I travel, I was in Paris two days ago, I'm here in New York and then I go to Hawaii tomorrow. It's like, how do I batch my content for three weeks in Paris?

You can't. It doesn't really. I mean, if I'm in New York for like three weeks straight, we'll do days where we like take a bunch of content to like post over the next. next like three or four days, but I also post a lot. How often do you post? Probably like on Instagram like once today and then on TikTok like four times and Snapchat like 60 times. Snapchat?

Yeah. Do we need to be getting back on Snapchat? Uh-oh. I love Snapchat. I am a Snapchat girl until I die. Really? Yeah. So are you just getting on there and being like, hey guys, like good morning and like taking

it through your day? Basically, yes. Like with the Snapchat team, they love the more like, vlog like this is what I'm doing throughout my day kind of vibe. And I personally like that. I personally like watching that. And I like that you can be more relatable and more just straight up. Whereas like an Instagram photo, I feel like it's a little bit more curated. Yeah. Especially like on Instagram or TikTok. But on Snapchat, it's just like me walking the streets being like, oh my God, I got laser hair removal this morning. And I cried during it. Awesome.

And it's just kind of like bringing along throughout the day. Do you dare to say that you like Snapchat better than TikTok and Instagram? Honestly, they're all so different that it's hard because I love sharing my Instagram photos with like my cool like photo dumps where it's like this is what I've done the past week. I love TikTok because it's more like videos and I feel like I can like talk and have conversations with people. And then I like Snapchat because how real it is in real time being like, oh, da-da-da-da-da. Guys, you heard it here first.

You have to get back on Snapchat. Sorry. I'm screwed. I can't get it. I can't give it. another thing to our to do list. Oh my gosh. I thought you were going to give me a hack on how to get more things done and you tell me I need

to get another plan. Yeah. It's crazy, but I love it. So I don't even complain. I'm like, that's fine. A lot of people who are listening are small business owners or they're wanting to maybe break out on social media with TikTok specifically. What are the tips and tricks?

I've always said consistency. Okay. And now I can understand it's like a lot about audio. and like which audio you're using in the trends, which it used to not be like that, which is interesting. But I would say consistency is key. And people on TikTok, it's not Instagram. They don't want to see some like beautiful photo of you on the beach in Cabo. They want to see you being real life at this moment in time being like, okay, hey, let's go for a day in my life living in New York or as a small business owner. This is like how I package my products or this is

how I make my products, which I find really interesting. Products. Is there a product that you see in your future? Yes. What? Like making my own? Yeah. I've always wanted to make bikinis.

That's like always been a huge thing that I've wanted to do. Just because I feel like there are so many bikini brands, but my number one question asked is like, where do I get my bikinis? I wear a new bikini every single time I go to the beach, basically. I have thousands of bikinis spread across. my different homes I live. And I think to find like a reliable, I also surf. So finding a swimsuit that doesn't have like the ties or like super bunched up or whatever it would be finding just like a reliable, sustainable bikini. And that's what I want to create eventually. Can you create a

bikini for all different days of the month? Because sometimes I want to wear a bikini that's more revealing. But then I can't wear a bikini that's up my asshole. Like you know, like there's some, There's some people that create bikinis and it's like a string. Yeah. Whereas sometimes that's fun. Sometimes I like doing that. A string is fun sometimes. But sometimes I just want to like just look flattered and snatched.

Be comfortable. I know. Like even with like the new like leggings that brands are coming out with that have like the technique where it like sinks you in a little bit. And I'm like I want to figure out whatever they're doing to that and like make some kind of like high waste of bikini where it's like, okay, it's full coverage. You can wear it to the beach with like your family. You can also wear it surfing.

And then you can also wear it if you want to be like going sexy with your friends. Also, I would love if it had like a lymphatic. Like, you know how they have those leggings that give you lymphatic drainage while you wear them? No, I didn't know that. Can we have that with a bikini too? How are you going to make that? You want like the cargo pants version of bikinis?

No, I don't want a cargo pant. I want just something that's really flattering. Sometimes I feel like bikinis are not made. Like that's not the first. That should be the first. Flatter. Flatter. Even I ordered.

like five or six swimsuits last week because I'm going to Hawaii tomorrow and I just tried them on all yesterday. I'm like all these are so unflattering on me. Like just the way they're cut and I'm telling you. I was like, I'm returning all of them. I'm like, I'm never going to wear any of this. I also would love if I'm getting very detailed there to be a way you can mix and match. So like I have huge boobs on the top. But like then on the bottom I might want something different. Maybe like I want something that's really revealing on the bottom, but more coverage on the top. Do you know what I mean? So I could like mix and match. Exactly. I feel like that's also something that a lot of, you know, people with bigger boobs struggle with. A lot of my friends back home had like, I just remember

she had like huge boobs and she can never find something that was like really securing here, but then like smaller in the back. She always had to buy like two different swimsuits. And I was like how crazy it would be if you could just mix and match them and figuring out. Yeah. I would love that. Okay. So I would love to know some of your beauty. tips and tricks. Skin. Your eyebrows are erect. I love an erect eyebrow.

What are the secrets that our audience needs to know when it comes to beauty and skin? I would say finding like a good skin tint is something that I've figured out the past like month or so. Michael's like what in the fuck? I'm lost. Listen, I try to keep up in the bikinis part. And now I'm just kind of. No, but I think.

I'm here for it. But I'm just, I'll be honest. I'm a little lost. I can explain on a skin tin. Somebody needed to create a map for this episode. No, fully. But I think I have a lot of different colors throughout my skin. And I think a lot of people struggle with that, especially if you're very sun-exposed.

So finding one, because whenever I use foundation, I feel like it just does not either blend well in my skin or it's just so many different colors going on at the same time. So I found like the milk makeup one and then the YSL, I think it's just called skin tint. They're both fire. And what's in your brows? Or five. I knew you're going to say that. I bleach my eyebrows all the time and bleached them or dye them back. And for the longest time, I couldn't find a brow gel that kept them up.

I was like, my eyebrows aren't that damage. Maybe there are. But then I found the Patrick Taw and then there were five. Those are like the two products that still kind of work for me. I'm like, awesome. You okay over there, Michael? You're still breathing? Yeah, I got to get my eyebrows.

Well, I actually did give him a spooly because here's the thing. when your eyebrows are like going down, it pulls the face down. So you want to make sure even as a man, if you're listening, take note of this, that your eyebrows are brushed up in like in a feathered way because it's going to pull everything up. Let me tell you something. I got two kids now. I'm done. I'm done though because I've seen him brushing his eyebrows up.

That's a lie. I mean, I make an attempt. But yeah, everyone needs a good eyebrow brush. No, I will say though after I had kids, I started looking at my eyebrows and I started seeing hairs that were just like, it's like a dad eyebrow and it comes like the second you have kids it's very concerning. Really? Yeah, it's alarming. He like tries to talk to me about it. Well, because I look and I'm like, this was never here before I had kids. Like, what is this? We don't even hear about your one long eyebrow hair that you had like, all of a sudden you're that guy that's on like the rocking chair with like

the eyebrows that are like hanging down over your eyes. Yeah. You could use the refi. I'm sorry. I can't. It's biology. We'll send you some refi products. You could use refi. I'm not joking. Like coming up, they're going to be up here. Yeah. And you also don't want to get them laminated because I feel like the lamination makes them break off. So, yeah, I used to get my eyebrows and lashes laminated. And last time I went, they, like, broke off half my eyelashes. And they, like, don't work on my eyebrows anymore because of... Like, laminated how you laminate, like, a paper?

Kind of. Yeah, kind of. They, like, put, like, permanent gel that, like, keeps them permanently up. Yeah. Maybe I should get that. Then I don't have to worry about the spoolie. Yeah. Then your eyebrow hair would be in your hairline because it's so low.

Listen, at all. This thing falls down. These go up. up. I'm fucked up. Okay. Doing a transition. What advice do you have for someone who's listening that wants to come out or is curious? Would you tell them to explore?

How can people be liberated through their sexuality? I think first of all, explore. For me personally, I didn't come out until I, like, 1,000 percent knew I was bisexual. Or, like, I liked women. And I was like, I need to do the deed. I need to figure out if I like this or not because I think having an emotional attachment to somebody is completely different than having physical interaction with them. So I think, first of all, explore.

Second of all, be easier on yourself. Like, it's hard. Like, I remember looking back at this time in my life where I was so hard on myself because I didn't know. And I was like just, I had so much self-hate because I couldn't figure it out. like, why don't I want to hook up with anyone? But every time I do think about it, I envision, like, a femininity person. But I didn't want to accept the fact that, like, I just craved women at the time. And I think also just advice is, especially for coming out, I know a lot of people get scared to come out.

I was terrified. I was shaking. I was crying. I didn't tell my mom, I think I was dating my girlfriend for, like, a month or so before I even told her that. I was like, hey, by the way, I have a girlfriend. And was she supportive? What is a strong word? She wasn't like mad. The generation maybe above us is a little repressed. Our generation is a little more open. Yeah.

You know what I mean? 1,000. Like when I told all my friends, they were like, oh my gosh, wait, like, congratulations. Like even my sister was like screaming on the phone. And then when I told my mom, she just was like, oh, okay, nice. And then I just never came out to my dad. You just sent him a shirt that said your daughter's gay. What did you say?

And we never talked about it. I just brought him around my girlfriend and it just, it felt so weird in the beginning because I felt like I was bringing my like friend around and then I would like kiss her. And then I'd be like, wait, it's like, it was definitely something that we like all had to get used to over a period of time. You mentioned off air about, and I'm probably going to flub this, but you said femininity, feminine energy. What did you say off air? Something about stepping in here. Oh, femininity and like the LGBTQ.

Yes, explain what you meant by that. I think another thing that struggles, a lot of people struggle with with coming out is, I know at least for me, I didn't want to come out because I didn't think I fit the stereotype of somebody who was, quote unquote, lesbian or gay or whatever your term would be. And I think our world has almost put like a stereotypical, like, image of what you're supposed to look like. I totally agree with you. And that's why even for the longest time, I was like, no, I'm not. Like, I don't fit in this box. I don't fit in this label. And then once you realize that it's not, it's not a label, there's not a box.

There's, you can just be you and love whoever you want to. And if people are going to get mad at you because you don't look a certain way, well, you can be pretty femme and you can love women. It's all the same thing. I feel like that needs to be a theme for everything, though. Like, not everything is wrapped in a perfect bow in a box and people, there's all different strokes for different folks. 1,000%.

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I think it just honestly hurts, like just reading those things about yourself. And I think regardless of, if it's one comment, if it's 500 million comments, you don't need to read that negativity about yourself. You should be reading love. And if you're not experiencing that love on your social media, you don't need to be looking at it. You kind of alluded to this earlier, but have you ever just felt like you just need a break? Like Selena Gomez just gets off TikTok. She's not on TikTok or, excuse me, social media.

She just off. She took a break. you could tell that she, she had enough for a minute. Do you ever feel like that? Yes. I definitely go through phases where I'm like, okay, I'm going to stop for a little bit. Or not even necessarily stop, but just like not pay attention. Like I'll still post, but then I just won't look at literally anything because I'm like,

my mental cannot handle just being on the platform. And I think it sucks when you're just constantly reminding of like negativity, like throughout your day. You're like, oh, you're cleaning in your apartment. Well, let me go on Instagram for like a few minutes. Like, let's see what's going on. And then you're just day kind of just gets shut down. And they're like, oh, well, that was very demeaning. People can be mean. We've seen that with the internet. Yes. Do you have anything that you do daily, like in your routine in the morning and the night, any products that you go to, anything that you eat specifically that you love? Like, what are your things that you do on a day-to-day basis? I think definitely.

when you wake up in the morning, I am severely addicted to caffeine. But before I have any type of caffeine, I have like a full thing of water. I think that is so, yeah, drink your water. I think what people don't realize is the simple things that we were taught so much in our life are the things that actually are the most important. Sleep. People shut sleep off like it's no big deal. They're like, oh, I'll get like five hours of five hours of sleep. It's okay. No, the average person, they say you should be getting eight hours of sleep for a reason, you know, eating three balanced meals, like getting your certain fruits, getting your certain vegetables. I know it sounds like such like a mom thing to say. And I feel so like old when I say this. But I'm like, you don't realize how much of

like your anxiety or your sadness or just like your mix of emotions are coming from the lack of the nutrients that you're getting through your food or through your sleep or whatever it would be. And how much you're messing your hormones up. Yeah. And I'm like, we're growing up, teenagers. I'm like our body's supposed to be taking in these nutrients from certain foods or from, you know, going out in the sun or whatever it would be. And when you're lacking your body from those certain things, like, I went literally six months of my life with getting like three to four hours of sleep at night. I was so mentally just not myself. Why? Because I was just going through it. And I, so you were stressed about something and it was keeping you away.

Not even that, but I thought like, this also goes with the validation part. I thought I needed to go out every small night and go to all these crazy parties to feel like in, if that makes, like to feel like inside of a group or to feel like I had friends. And then once I realized, hey, this is actually the inflammation thing that we were talking about. That's when I realized I was storing so much inflammation throughout my body. And I didn't understand why. And this like led to like a whole other part of my eating disorder. I thought it was like because what I was eating or whatnot. So I just like lacked myself from eating for a while.

And then I realized it's honestly better to eat three meals a day, get six to eight hours sleep a night and drink. I try to drink like a gallon of water a day. You know, it just differs on the day. But if you can drink a gallon of water of day, that itself makes you so much happier. And it's crazy, but you just have to honestly try it. for like a week straight and see how much happy you feel at the end of the week. It's crazy. Well, I want to hear about your announcement that you're making. Tell us what's going on with

Sports Illustrated. Oh. Wait, what do you mean? I feel like it's kind of an announcement, right? We had to hold the podcast, right? Oh, yeah. Well, just the fact that Sports Illustrated is coming out in May, their May issue. And I don't know anything about it yet. I shot it a few months ago. and I honestly haven't even seen the photos so I have no idea what's coming out and they don't share it with you before they publish it they don't anything. You just see it when everybody else sees it.

So you don't know anything of what it's going to be. No. Okay, be honest with this answer. What is the actual, you said you had two weeks to prep. What are you actually doing? Like is like the first time? Really, really, really, what are you doing?

Yeah, the first time that I found out I think I was 18 at the time. Maybe I was 19. I'm not exactly sure. but I found out two weeks before I was going to my shoot and I've struggled with eating disorders my entire life and I know for those two weeks I was like you are going to eat every single day like you I like made a pact with myself I was like you are not going to try to slim yourself down in two weeks because for me my body that's just not realistically possible I can't

necessarily slim down that much in two weeks of like what I was expecting to do so I honestly just like kept eating the same. I was working out like every single day. I didn't go out. I was sleeping like freaking crazy. And then I just went on the set. And then the second year, so this past year that I shot for them, I think I found out like a month or so in advanced. Are you eating vegan? Are you eating lots of meat? Are you eating fruits and vegetables? Like what are you eating? Currently right now, I'm eating a lot of meat, like protein, protein, protein, protein. I love meat. Yeah. I think that just comes from like there's like a carnivore diet. I love me.

And that's like what I'm trying to do right now because I think for so long I was like lacking myself of that because I was like, no, that's like too much food to be having. But now I'm just like I can eat literally steak every school meal in my life. I will be doing that. Wow. Olivia, that's like what I like to eat too. Listen, we get a lot of shit for saying that on the show. Have you ever tried a force of nature?

Mm-mm. Oh my God, you guys. If you eat meat, it's the best meat. It's like all the like boxes are, you know what I mean? Hormone free. They put like blends of organs. So like instead of just eating like liver, it'll be with like ground beef. It gives you like the stuff, but you don't have to just like eat a piece of liver.

Right. It's like just kind of blended in the. That's crazy. Yeah, I've never tried that before. My friends in Hawaii, they all do like these crazy carnivore diets. And I just see how like ripped they are and just how like much energy they have just with not even like needing caffeine. And I'm like, what do y'all? What are you doing over here?

Because I eat a pretty balanced diet and I still do not feel like that. And then I started doing a carnivore diet when I was there. And I was like, I felt a huge difference within like five days. I was like, wait, it's crazy. You feel so different. And also I like, I'll go back. We live in Austin and I'll go back to L.A. and get my hair done.

And my hairstylist, this is fake hair right now, but my hairstylist will be like, what is going on with your ponytail? It's so much thicker. It's the aminos. Well, it's not just the amines. It's the collagen. It's like, it's a vitamins. It grows your nails.

It grows your hair. Like, it, it, this is my experience. Like, don't need a. negative review from people that are going to get mad. This is just my experience. But it makes my eyebrows thicker. Like I just notice my skin, all these different things. From a beauty perspective, it'll make your jaw structure stronger too.

Really? Yeah. Because you're chewing. Oh, interesting. You just suck down a smoothie all day. Your jaw's going to go away. So you like meat, a lot of meat. Yeah.

Which I like just starved myself of that for basically like a year and a half. So it's really nice and I'm like just focusing on like the highest protein I can get. because if you really think about it, protein fills you up for the longest period of time rather than like carbs. And I thought before, like, eating like a bowl of pasta was like the best thing for me, like every single meal. And then it got to the point where I like started doing more research about it. And so I'd be like, okay, let's dive more into like how this is going on. And I think when I had my eating disorder at the worst, worst possible place that I had it, I went to this trainer and she basically sat me down and explained food.

in a very scientific way being like, this is the amount of protein that you're getting from this amount of food. If you eat just this one piece of steak, you will be full for X amount of hours versus if you eat this bowl of pasta, you're going to be hungry 30 minutes later. I'm like, interesting how that works. Then I started trying it and I was like, wait, I just ate and I'm starving again because I had a bowl of pasta. But then I just got, I went and ate a steak and I wasn't hungry for like an hour or two after. It's also like an old bodybuilding trick if you start to have sugar cravings and you instead put a bunch of protein in, your sugar craving will go away. So it kind of forces you also. It doesn't force you, but it puts you in a position where

you don't really want that sugary food anymore. Exactly. And I think that's something that I struggle with is I have a huge sweet tooth and I love sugar. I growing up would eat like spoonfuls of like powdered sugar out of just my pantry. Like that's, I love that. I still will do it. I'm so guilty of it. But I think, like, with what you're saying, like, I would have my protein as my dinner and I'd be like, wait, like, I'm actually not even craving that anymore. Or if I do, I'll, like, substitute that with, like, a different type of snack rather than being like, oh, I'm going to go have a bowl of ice cream. It's like, I tell myself, I'm like, okay, you're obviously still hungry. Let's go eat something else that has higher protein in it. And if you're

still hungry after that or you want your sugar, you can have it. But obviously, you're hungry enough to the point that you can go eat this. You can be hungry to, like, go eat something that's going to fill you up. I think too, it's so weird is that once you start eating meat, you start craving meat. Like, sometimes for breakfast, this is so crazy that I'm even saying this, I'll eat like a bowl of ground beef. Oh, I would have never done that two years ago. I know, like, even with my burritos, it used to be just like eggs, like hash pounds. And then like the past, I mean, whenever I'm in New York, I have like these huge bretos with like steak, sausage, bacon, avocado. And I'm like, wait, fire. It's weird. It's like you want it more and more and more. But also like when you have that like if you start your day with protein it kicks everything off. It kicks your metabolism off, kicks your energy off. It's important news. Like some people start you if you start with a bunch of carbs and like sugars, you're just sluggish throughout the whole day. Fully, fully, fully. I can't wait for the flattering bikini line that I hope you. I'm so excited. We literally came up with this idea like a week ago. Okay. I can't wait. So who knows when it's going to come out? I'm sure a lot of people are already following you, but where can everyone follow you, find you support what you're doing?

What are you working on? Tell us all the things. You can find me. I guess sound like Instagram, TikTok, Snapchat. Snapchat. I can't believe Snapchat's still going. Just like Olivia dot Ponten and then on Snapchat, I think it's Olivia underscore Ponton 12. I don't know why that's still my username. It's from sixth grade. So had it for a while.

You're absolutely adorable, Olivia. I can't wait to see what you do. I will be buying a copy of Sports Illustrated. Thank you for coming on. Thank you for having me. I appreciate you guys. Yeah, it was so much fun. I want to know who you guys want to see next on the show. I love your feedback. Please let me know on my latest post at Lauren Bostic. And as a thank you for your time, we are giving away two pairs of skinny confidential driving gloves. They're the best if you're trying to protect your skin from the sun, especially when walking a stroller, golfing, playing tennis, driving, whatever. So let me know on my latest post at Lauren Bostick, who you want to hear on the show. We're reaching out to a bunch of people right now. And I always want to make sure it's the best experience for you guys.

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