The Bossticks - Open Relationships, Mental Institutions, & All Things Sex Ft. Eileen Kelly

Episode Date: July 25, 2022

#481: On today's episode we are joined by Eileen Kelly. Eileen is a digital creator and host of the Going Mental Podcast. On this episode we discuss Eileens time in a mental institution. We also discuss if open relationships can work and if so how. We also dive into sex and all things sexual health and relationships.  To connect with Lauryn Evarts click HERE To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM To Call the Him & Her Hotline call: 1-833-SKINNYS (754-6697) Check Out Lauryn's NEW BOOK, Get The Fuck Out Of The Sun HERE This episode is brought to you by Homesick Candles. To Try Homesick candles and receive an exclusive offer click HERE This episode is brought to you by The Skinny Confidential  The Hot Mess Ice Roller is here to help you contour, tighten, and de-puff your facial skin and It's paired alongside the Ice Queen Facial Oil which is packed with anti-oxidants that penetrates quickly to help hydrate, firm, and reduce the appearance of fine lines and wrinkles, leaving skin soft and supple. To check them out visit www.shopskinnyconfidential.com now.  Produced by Dear Media 

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A very smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you alone for the ride. Get ready. some major realness. Welcome to the skinny confidential, him and her. A little bit of my backstories. I grew up Catholic in a conservative bubble in a very liberal city. And my mom passed away when I was eight years old.

I was kind of a lonely, depressed teenager, and so that's where I got my start on Tumblr, because I would come home from school. And I'm like, I don't have many friends, so let me make friends online. That was kind of where it came from. Welcome back to the Skinny Confidential, him and her show. That clip was from our guests of the show, new to the Dear Media Network, Eileen Kelly. Eileen Kelly gained fame during Tumblr.

Do you remember Tumblr? I remember Tumblr, but I wasn't active on Tumblr. You weren't? No. Okay, I had a Tumblr like when Skinny Confidential just came out, and hers was super popular because she gave real deal advice, kind of like Dear Abby, but for her generation, on boys dating sex and more.

And it actually gained so much notoriety that Bella Hadid reached out to her back in the day and they became friends. So her Tumblr account was very, very popular. And now she has a podcast, which is so exciting. It's on the Dear Media Network. It's called Going Mental. And in this episode, we go all over the place. She opens up about her five months day at the most infamous mental hospital in the United States.

She is so open about her experience with depression. She also talks about being a sex educator and a social media darling. You may have seen her on Instagram. She has a very well curated Instagram grid. I have to say, too, just meeting her, she's very poised, sweet, well-spoken, and I enjoyed this interview. And I think you will too. So on that note, let's meet the new host of Going Mental, Eileen Kelly. Welcome her to the Skinny Confidential, him and her show.

This is the Skinny Confidential, him and her. Okay, I stalked Eileen on Instagram because I found her so compelling and interesting, you guys. So this episode, hold on to your seat. It's going to be a roller coaster ride. Tell us about your blog that you launched in 2016 because you were young. How did you even decide that you were going to launch a blog and why? Honestly, I had started on Tumblr. How old on Tumblr? 16.

Okay, start there. Yeah. It's funny. I was talking to a friend who also was like. like a Tumblr girl, we got dinner a couple nights ago. And we were, we were just joking about that period in internet like subculture. It will never be repeated because it was kind of before Instagram or like right at the brink of the creation of Instagram, like right after MySpace, Facebook's just coming out kind of that timeline. And I, so my, a little bit of my backstories,

I grew up Catholic in a conservative bubble in a very liberal city. So I'm from Seattle, Washington. But I kind of came from this sheltered bubble there. And my mom passed away when I was really young, when I was eight years old. I had a single dad who never remarried to this day. He's not remarried. And I just had a lot of alone time. Like I had a single dad.

Like I said, he wasn't remarried, but he's working a lot. So he's out of the house. So I would say my high school experience was a lot of time alone. And I did ballet really intensely until I was 16. So I didn't have any social life. Ballet can be intense, what I've heard with like eating disorders and the competition. Yeah, body stuff. And just like comparison.

And this reaching for perfection constantly. Like I think it's kind of a toxic environment. Obviously there's positive parts of it. But there were also negatives. And I was kind of a lonely, depressed teenager. And so that's where I got my start on Tumblr because I would come home from school. And I'm like, I don't have many friends early on in high school when I was doing ballet. So let me make friends online.

That was kind of where it came from. And what was it like growing up with a father? Did you have, like just having your father and not your mother? Difficult, but also I'm like I feel like I don't really know any different. Yeah. Oh yeah, that was also kind of the push to start my Tumblr to start the blog is I had no one to talk to you about like my body changing like middle school and going through puberty. It was a really difficult time for me. Yeah, I was embarrassed to talk to my dad about like getting my period for my first time. And, you know. So what do you do? Like talk to friends of mine or sometimes like maybe close friends like moms would kind of talk to me about it. But it was just very awkward. and I felt very alone. And so I started this Tumblr account, and I would talk about my life really openly.

Okay, so this is what we have to tell the audience. You were super open at 16 years old on Tumblr. Explain what that means. Like, I would just share everything, almost to a fault. Now I'm like, oh, no, I have so much out there just like just floating on the internet about me. But I would talk about like, I lost my virginity and like, here's my new boyfriend, and this is what I'm going through. And then it started kind of this Ask Alice type of mentality with my followers back then.

And they would ask me questions. And I'm 16. Like, what is the 16 year old? No. But at the same time, I had lived through some shit. And so I would just talk and kind of answer these questions and really started this community. Can I ask you a question? Yeah.

On one hand, I think it's good for you to be talking about this at 16 years old and opening up dialogue to probably other people your age. but I imagine having those type of open conversation also invites a bunch of creeps in. You would be surprised. Really not that many creeps found me back then. That's good. He has a daughter, so I can tell he's like, he's processing this. I think a lot of it for me, though, wasn't so sexualized because no one taught me once I learned this information or I would read, find stuff on Google and then share it on Tumblr.

Like, I taught all my girlfriends how to use tampons for the first time. I was very adamant of like, I want to go in birth control before I start having sex with my first boyfriend. Like I was like, no one cares about my sexual health, so I'm going to care about mine. And then I'm going to make my friends care about it. And I'm going to care about their sexual health. And it kind of became the domino effect. It almost sounds like you mothered yourself.

Does your dad start to rely on you as like, I know this sounds weird. I lost my mom at a young age too. So you almost develop this like wife relationship with your dad. That sounds weird. But I noticed my dad would like call me for things that maybe he would call a wife for. Does that make sense? Yeah. That wasn't my experience with my dad.

We weren't that close when I was younger. So I feel like more so I was leaning on friends or honestly just a lot of alone time. When you say a lot of alone time, are you meaning like you're in your room on Tumblr? just so it's it's interesting because I feel like your generation lived a lot through the internet almost yeah well it's also like the emo phase like I wasn't really a part of that but I think about like my space kids who would like go home and like be on the computer all day yeah I'm trying to think like right around the time I was in middle school like we had a desktop computer downstairs like I would play sims and like go on tumbler that was my childhood that feels like and then I read this or I

this, tell me if I'm wrong, but Bella Hadid became a fan of your Tumblr account. Yeah, and so we became friends on Tumblr. And this is before anything. Yes. How do you guys like become friends on Tumblr? And I became friends with other people too. Like are you guys meeting in real life? Is it just over the internet? It was all over the internet. It's weird because Tumblr is different than Instagram. Like you can't see how many followers someone has, but I guess you can see how much interaction and I would post so much about my life that she followed me and then we started talking on Tumblr. I also started talking to this girl Gabby Westbrook who became one of my first runs when I moved to New York.

Addison Ray and I met for the first time like a week ago and she came up to me and she was like, Eileen, I used to follow your Tumblr. And I was like, that's so crazy. So you had like people like that you didn't even know following your Tumblr that now, I mean, Madison Ray is like obviously huge with, yeah, so so successful. It's almost, it sounds like an ask Alice, but like with a twist of Dr. Laura sex advice. Yeah, kind of. But a lot of it was also, I guess, mental health before I knew it was mental health.

Like I would talk about being depressed and I would talk about being anxious and going through these periods in my life. I wasn't so vulnerable or open. It was difficult for me to talk about the loss of my mom and that's something I've kind of come to terms with more recently as an adult. but I would talk about kind of these open taboo subjects. What advice would you give to someone who lost their mom at a young age? Do you have any things that make you feel better, therapy? Yeah, so I see a therapist. I see a therapist twice a week.

It has been phenomenal. I recommend therapy to everyone. I actually feel like that's one of my dating rules now is I don't like to date guys who aren't in therapy. Oh, you're out. You're the fuck out. Taylor's out. But okay, elaborate.

Wait, why do they need to be? I mean, I'm sure you. I like this. Because men have a difficult time communicating already. So it's like you need to be working on yourself for me to want to date you. And like, I'm sure someone's going to listen to this and be like, well, therapy is really expensive and like you sound elitist and blah, blah. And I don't think it necessarily needs to be like going to a normal session once a week with a therapist. but just that you are trying to, I guess, like work on yourself.

What if you meet someone that you really like? And they're like, listen, therapy's a no-go for me. So my most recent ex-boyfriend wasn't seeing a therapist. And it became a thing. No, he got into therapy while we were dating and he still sees that therapist. Looks like it's time for you to see a therapist. You know, no, Lauren, this is what I tell you is like the reason I'm so glad I'm locked down and out. Like, one, I don't understand any of the dating elsewhere.

Two, like these new benchmarks, I would be done. I would be done. I'd just die alone. No, because it doesn't, like I said, I started dating my most recent ex-boyfriend, and he wasn't seeing a therapist. I was like, it's really important for me, for you to see a therapist. Does it have to be with you or it can be alone? No, no, no, alone. I was like, I don't want to be with you. I want you to work on yourself. And I don't know, I like people who are introspective and figure out, yeah, he had a lot to figure out, as everyone does. Why do you do the things you do? What are your goals? What motivates you? What's

stopping you from reaching your goals. How do you see your life unfolding? All these kind of existential questions that I'm like, you need to go figure this out. I actually helped him find a therapist, a referral through my therapist, and he still sees her or still sees him to this day, even though we broke up like a year ago. This is pretty profound for your age to ask these questions to a man. I actually, this is interesting to me. The only reason, so I'm just going to play devil's advocate and give you pushback. Do you believe you can't be those things unless you're in therapy? No, but I think it helps. Sure. But if somebody is introspective and working on themselves and they have clearly defined goals,

maybe it's somebody that just kind of has their shit together. Do you still say, well, I still need you to? I don't agree. I think that's like a stigmatized thing of people who are in therapy don't have their shit together. I think you can totally have your shit together. It just almost is you have the tools to be even a better person, a healthier version of you. And maybe you go to therapy and then you're like, And you try it out for six months a year. And you're like, okay, I feel like I don't need this anymore. I do agree, though, that men do have trouble communicating. What if I?

And it's like a third party. It's someone who, it's not like you're going to a girlfriend or a friend or family member talking about your problems. Like, it's someone who's so unrelated to you that they can almost mirror this shit back to you. No, I get the point. I'm just thinking about, and listen, I actually believe in therapy and think everybody should kind of maybe think about it.

I'm just thinking about it selfishly. I don't have the fucking time right now. Honestly, though, coming from a family, so my family is kind of anti-therapy, and my dad's never seen a therapist. One of my brothers, I have two brothers. One of my brothers has, my other brother is like,

honestly kind of against therapy. And I'm just like knowing men in my personal life who are not therapist or don't, I feel like have a great understanding of them, it's like that's not who I want to date. So like I need a guy who is like willing to take a look in the mirror. And that's really fucking hard. I agree with you.

This is what's hard for me personally with therapy. I haven't met the right person that I have chemistry with. I think if I met the right person, a therapist that I jived with, I think it would work. Oh, you have to 100% try them. You have to try them out. And that's something I didn't. Oh, so it's like I gotta go date a bunch of therapy. Like, to see who I'm gonna fuck?

Yes. Who you're gonna mentally fuck. Sure, we can use that. I know, but is there like, is there any way I can like... Fast track it? Like, can I hire a hooker? Like, who, how can I like hire someone to like, like, that I'm just gonna know? It's like, it's hard to like a lot of dates with a different therapist.

It's a lot of work. No, I agree with you totally. But that's something I didn't know when I was younger. So I saw my first. therapist after my mom passed away. And it was actually my mom's therapist, which I feel like as I'm older, I don't know how ethical that was. Right. But we were not a good fit. She was like very felt kind of like Freudian, psychotherapist. Like it was not emotional, not warm. And as a child who had just lost her mother, it was a poor fit. But I didn't know any different. And I didn't know I could be like, hey, I don't like this. I want to try something else.

So I kind of just stuck it out for a while. And then I stopped. When I was living in New York by myself, in college, I started seeing a therapist again, not the best fit, but a better fit. than that. Okay. Saw her for a few years. And then I did this program, which I'm sure we'll get into at McLean, which is a psychiatric hospital. And I did a psychiatric program there for a few months.

And now I work with my same therapist from the program, even though I left over two years ago. And she's like, I want to hold on to her forever. You love her. I love her. We text every day. Oh, yeah. The amount of times that we have talked about the gut on this podcast is wilds.

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code skinny at checkout. Let's segue into that program. What were the, what was the circumstances behind going and checking yourself into that program? Okay, yeah. So I was running a fairly successful, had a podcast, had a business, this blog website, and my mental health started to deteriorate more so from my personal life and just issues I had had that I had never dealt with. issues from losing my mom in a really traumatic way, just all these things that had built up. And I was struggling really poorly emotionally. But I was a high functioning person. I could go to work every day.

I could get my shit done. But emotionally, I was like very suicidal, like so anxious, debilitating anxiety, like not really eating. So I lost a ton of weight and just not doing okay. And so I decided to take some time away from work. and I had met someone around that time who had gone to McLean Hospital themselves a few years earlier. And they told me like it helped save my life. And where is this place?

It's in Boston. It's part of Harvard Medical School. And you were living alone at the time in New York. Yes. Okay. And I decided to go to that program. And I thought it's a two month minimum. So I was like, okay, I'm signing up for two months.

Like if this is going to change my life or make me not suicidal, obviously it's worth it. and then you get there and it's actually a six-month program. So can you- Wait, they lie to you? Kind of. I mean, I wouldn't say they lie to you. Like, you can leave. It's two-month minimum.

But the actual program, and to go through the entire program, it is a six-month program. When you say hospital, the way my brain thinks, because I'm so scared of hospitals, is I think- Like a ward and like, no. Like, I think like almost, I almost think like one flew over a cuckoo-cus-ness. No.

It's not like that. Can you break that stereotype for us? Yes. So I did a residential program that's different. If someone just goes to the psych ward and they're on a 72-hour hold or let's say you're having hallucinations or something, then yes, it may be more like one flu over the cuckoo's nest where it's just in the psych ward. It's a normal hospital setting. You're in a gown. My experience was very different. You can't be like actively wanting to hurt yourself.

to be in that program. You can't have an eating disorder. Basically, I lived in a normal house off of the main hospital campus, and you do group therapy every day, and you have a group of like six doctors that take on your case, and you learn, it's a DBT program. So that's a specific type of therapy that I do now called dialectical behavioral therapy. And basically it's behavioral therapy so you learn that by changing your actions, it actually helps change your emotions and your thoughts. So you can't go in there in a position where they feel that you could be harmful to yourself. Yes. So they because they don't want to have to monitor. If you are in that position, they have to actually monitor you. It's like, yeah, we could watch TV, but I didn't have a phone for five months.

I know. That's what I was going to ask you. I heard you say that. Okay. Do you think that part of the reason that you were able to heal is because you didn't have a phone? I mean, the phone is giving, I think as crazy fucking anxiety. Oh, 100%. I also was going through a really toxic, like abusive. I'd been in this really bad relationship and was going through a horrible breakup with someone who I felt it was driving me crazy, seeing Instagram on the phone. Like when, it's back when I always talk about this, back when Instagram had that feature where people you followed, you could see what they were liking. Oh, yeah. Remember that feature? Yeah, that was a wild feature. Yeah, that made people go crazy. You could see who they followed or

Could you see who they unfollow? Yes. Or see who they followed. So I was going through an on and off relationship, and I could see every day what the fuck my ex-boyfriend, like what, you know, bikini photos he's liking or who he's following. So I'm like, oh, no, he's fucking this girl now or he's fucking this girl. And it was just like non-that's not normal.

You shouldn't be able to see that. Go back before you entered the hospital. That was a wild feature. Yeah, they took it away because I swear I was making so many people crazy. the one good thing that they did for mental health. You know what I did? Just a tangent. I just went on his phone at 3 in the morning one night and followed like 6,000 Chihuahua account.

So all he gets served is Chihuahuas. So if he's liking anything, it's like two Chihuahuas cuddling in the sand. I like Chihuahuas. Good. Like him up. That's what you're getting served, bud. Yeah, I don't do. I don't follow any of the...

That's a dicey mover as a guy in a relationship. I don't go into any of the bikini stuff. I don't do any of that shit. That's just, you're just asking for trouble. You're asking for trouble, but then also now that I'm older and I, and I feel like I've healed a lot emotionally and mentally, there were so many red flags that I just couldn't walk away from. I think too, as you get older and you're outside and you can see like looking back, for me, it's like, and I know you said X, so I don't know, you don't even want to be with someone that's going to be that energy, I feel like. Yeah, but at that time, I think I had such low self-ex. esteem and self-worth, that I was like, well, we have this history and you tell me you love me,

but so why are you chasing like everyone that's not me? And it becomes this really horrific cycle of like, I know I shouldn't be with you. You don't treat me well, but I can't leave you because I feel like ashamed and I really love you. And it's this really toxic push and pull. What was the final straw when you broke up with him before you went into the hospital? Probably some cheating things. He's always cheating. Always cheating.

Yeah. And how did these people think they're going to get away with cheating in 2022? Can we talk about that? No, no, but that's not the problem. The problem was like he would cheat and I still didn't leave. Like it's not all his fault, you know? Like I have to take some accountability that like I wasn't exactly walking away from this relationship.

I was putting myself actively back into the situation. I didn't have the self-esteem or self-respect to be like, fuck you and like don't talk to me again. It was like, no, no, no, no. I love you. How would you find out he was cheating? One time I went through his phone. Love it.

And he had this text message from his roommate at the time being like, you need to tell Eileen. And I'm not going to lie. And what was his response was like, I really love her. Like I feel so guilty. So just don't tell her. And she's like, okay, I won't tell her. But if someone asks me, I'm not going to lie for you.

You know, I have a strong perspective on this. because I had two younger sisters, and I would always tell them, like, you know, it's not your fault if you get cheated on. It's your fault if you stay and then complain about it constantly. And unfortunately, and not to be sexist, I think I'm just saying this from an older brother's perspective. You know, I was like, you can be mad at the guy, but if you stick around and continue to validate it, at some point, like, you have to take accountability that you accept that behavior. Oh, 100%. And you've kind of okayed it in a way. Like, you can do that. I'm going to stick around. If you do it again, you basically put yourself. You're condoning the behavior and then it becomes a cycle 100%. Yeah. And that's what was so crazy making. And also I feel like what was fueling the anxiety and issues that I already brought to the table. Like I'm an anxious person is I knew this relationship was toxic.

And I knew I needed to leave it. I felt like I didn't know how. I didn't have the tools to. And that made me feel like I can't trust myself. And it really alienates you. when you're in a toxic relationship and you feel like, holy should I, you know,

I'm not going to leave them. So my friends are, my friends are really sick of hearing about this. It alienates you. We sometimes get pushback when we talk about this subject. Like I call it like a tough love topic on this show because I think some people are in, are currently in relationships like this. And when you say it's like they get angry,

right? It's like you get angry. People get angry if you shine a spotlight on maybe a vulnerability in the relationship. But it's, I really believe it. I believe if you condone cheating, then you can't later than complain to all your friends

and your family and everybody because you're still bringing that person around guy or girl and we're all sitting there and we all have to sit there with a smile on our face and act like this isn't happening. But it's like, you know what I mean? Like there's nothing worse than going to a dinner

when the relationships like that and everybody knows it's like that and you kind of have to put this weird false smile and then the next day they turn around and they're complaining about that same person. I agree, but I almost view it as like an abusive relationship like emotionally. Sure, of course it is.

You know, and what is it? I had someone on my podcast the other day who is a domestic violence social worker, and she was saying that most people try to leave a toxic, emotionally abusive, physically abusive relationship like seven times before they leave. That is the average. So it's like you don't want to alienate your friend or family member because, yeah, it's like a lot of emotional work for you to keep hearing about this, and yet they stay, and they don't listen, and it's like talking to a brick wall.

So what I'm saying is condoning it. Yeah, you don't want to condone it, but I also think I've seen people who have stayed in toxic relationships and then their friends ditch them. They're like, okay, I can't be there for you. So I need space from our relationship. Well, because here's why. It becomes toxic to the person hearing it at some point, right? Like if my friend comes to me, I'm just playing devil's advocate here. If my friend comes to me is like, I'm getting cheated on.

I'm in such a terrible relationship. And I say, well, okay, like, I'm going to give you advice. You've got to leave. I can help you leave, all these things. And then you turn around the next day and you're back with the person, you're having sex. it's all great and it's all fun, then you come to me again, you say the same thing. At some point, I'm actually the one being abused, right? Because you're coming.

I wouldn't say, I don't agree with that. I am. I am being abused. You know what? You know what he's doing right now, too? It's true. He's talking about a specific person. It's true.

He's making it about himself. No, I know exactly who you're talking about right now. But it's true. You're not being abused. No, it is. You're abusing my friendship. No, because you're allowed to have a boundary. Like, you can have a boundary.

I agree with that. but I think if you've ever been in that situation and you have that empathy towards that situation you shouldn't if you're in your true friend or you love that person you don't up and leave you can say like hey I can't talk about this anymore with you but I'm here when you're ready to leave this is what I I do with a person like this because I'm dealing with the it turns out I have no empathy I'm not a true friend I didn't mean I like that but no I mean sometimes you need to work on your empathy but I think that there's a there's a a way to finesse it where for the first time I'll be there for you, for the second time I'll be there

for you. By the third time, I'm going to take a step back and I'm going to let you come to your own conclusions. And what I do with that is I just ask you questions and listen. Because at that point, by the third time, I just think that you want someone to listen to you. Then if it's the fourth time and the fifth time and the sixth time, I'm going to say, and I would say this to the person, I'm probably not the right one to talk to because what my advice has not worked. I'll tell you why it's abusive. Because if someone comes to me and I say this person is such an asshole, get rid of them,

fuck this person. Then they go back and says, Michael says this, you're an asshole, fuck this person. And then they don't. And then I'm forced to be around that person again. Well, you get what I'm saying. But why? You don't want to be around that person. Oh, no.

But see, you're thinking of a really specific situation. They keep bringing around. No, you are. You are thinking. Gotta go on a double date. You are thinking. And by the way, you, you can remove yourself from a situation. But that's what I feel like you have a little bit of post-traumatic stress.

You know what? Just fucking leave everybody. Everyone break up. Just done. I also think, too, that some people have open relationships where it's okay to cheat. Oh, God. No, because that's not cheating. If it's an open relationship, that is not cheating.

Okay. Because you have like a consensual agreement to sleep with other people. Got it. So that's not necessarily cheating. That's not cheating. Do you think those work? I think for some people. I've met people who are, I had someone on a podcast I did years ago who was in a non-monogamous marriage, married, like not even polyamorous.

Like they just had an open marriage. And it worked. And she was like, I've cheated on like, honestly, every partner. Like, I just can't be monogamous. So I decided at this point in my life. And she met someone who also is kind of like that. And it works for them. For a period.

We had the... Oh, here he goes. Here he goes. We've got a lot of those people on. Really? For me, could never work. I'm way too jealous. I'll tell you why.

I mean, I'm like, go through fucking phones. I'll tell you. I'm coming in on you with it. I'm sorry. I'll tell you why. If Lauren and I were in that agreement, that's one thing. But then if you join and then you catch feelings, it's like, how do I, how do you get multiple people all on the same page?

That's the difficulty. He asks this question all the time. I think that's difficult, but I don't think it's impossible. I don't think it's black or white. I actually don't think it's a prescription one size fits all. I think that not everyone is like you and not everyone is like me and not everyone is like Eileen. I think everyone is different. I'm just saying people are problems. They call it and everyone has complexity. That is true that there's the more people that you bring in there's going to be more issues. That's it harder and harder to get like it's hard enough to be in a relationship with one person. But then you add another person. Maybe it works. And you had another person. So you have multiple dynamics that you've got to manage for a long period of time. I understand. So for me, polyamorous where you're like, in a serious or you're in a relationship, like an emotional and physical relationship with multiple people, that to me feels way more complicated than if it's just like, okay, on Friday nights, I go with my friends and I fuck someone else and I don't even like get their number

and I don't stay in contact with them and that's the kind of open arrangement we have. It's like once a month I can go fuck someone. That to me feels like, okay, would it work for me? No. But could that work for someone? Yeah, because I feel like there's a little little. less baggage if it's not an emotional thing. Also, I think a lot of people, too, a lot of people are bringing other, like having

threesome. Or swinging. Or swinging. Isn't that big in this town? Listen. Michael, you're like a little old, a little boring, a little retirement. You are. You're like, oh no.

Do I need a play therapist? Michael's a little like not. Like I feel like Michael's in bed by eight o'clock. He's like, here's what it is. I have, we've had, like, 600 of these things now, 500 or whatever podcasts. And we've had all of the, like, we've had these conversations. And I always leave an open space for these people. We've had like, you know, therapists come on and talk about this.

We've had people that are married. We've had other people that were engaged. We are basically 10 for 10 on all of them not working. That doesn't make, that doesn't mean, though, that they all don't work. You can't say that. I'm saying on this show and this, this blanket statements today are like, like, I'm not, I'm saying on this show 10 for 10, none worked. This control group.

This control group. control. Let's do this with the audience. Let's tell us someone it has worked for. There's someone listening. It has worked for. The worst is when the guys come in and I'm like, hey, like, you guys in a relationship and the girl's like, oh yeah. And he goes, we're partners. Like, this is my partner. And I could tell like a lot of the other person's like kind of been bamboozled into this. Like they're not. But she just said she has an experience with a woman who's like, I want to fuck other people. Oh, yeah. She's a woman. She teaches at NYU. She's awesome. And she's like fully non-monogamous. And it works for her. And it's funny though, because,

One time I got lunch with her and she was like, I lean, like, you can't, because I think it was when I was going through that breakup. She was like, you need to like not be so jealous or so attached. And I was like, okay, your brain is very different than my brain because that's just not going to work for me. I think that's the whole thing. And not everyone works for everything. Yeah. And so figuring out what works for you and then doing that and not kind of settling for something because, like to please a partner, I guess. There is one thing that I could not stop eating when I was pregnant.

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and on, like, oh, God. We'd actually broken up like a year before I went away. And then it was kind of like this promise of we're going to get back together, but then he's hooking up with people. It was just really toxic and not a fun experience for either of us. So when you enter the hospital, do they take your phone or do you leave your phone at home? So that was actually part of the reason I wanted to go to the program. Yeah, I can see why. Yeah. The phone thing.

Exactly. So I had done an outpatient program first in New York City at Columbia. And it's where I would go to group therapy all day with like, yeah, four days a week. And then I would come home and I lived alone and I could see what my ex-boyfriend was up to. And I just felt crazier because I'm like, holy shit, I'm in therapy all day with these people. And then I come home and I'm alone with my thoughts. And I'm not doing okay. And I need a higher level of care.

So I kind of had to convince them to allow me to go to this program at McLean. You can't just like show up at the doorstep. You have to apply. You have to do intakes if you've ever been hospitalized. Like there's only so many slots. and it's like a serious residential program. So I got a phone call saying we have a spot opening. Can you be here in one week?

And listen, I'm picking up my life. I have a cat. I live in an apartment. Like you're gone for, I thought, two months. But I'm like, holy shit. Get my life together and make this decision in like five days. And so I showed up with a suitcase and I handed them my phone. Because some people keep their phones.

It's depending on kind of what you need. And I was like, literally take this thing away from me. It's making me, it's ruining my life. So what's the protocol with the program? Is it, is it therapy? Is it medication? Is it all different kinds of things? You mentioned a specific therapy.

I would love for you to talk more on that. So it's DBT, which is dialectical behavioral therapy. And as someone who had done talk therapy for years, I felt like I was talking around in circles. Like, I knew my problems. I knew where they said. stem from, but I didn't know how to change them. Does that make sense? Yeah. Yeah, like I don't know how to actually like leave this boyfriend. I know maybe why I'm insecure or have attachment issues because of my mom and X, Y, and Z, but I don't know how to actually change my life. Like, I felt

like I was on a hamster wheel. And so I did this program where you learn all of these like researched and studied tips and skills is what they're called on how to put stuff into action. I don't know if you guys are on TikTok at all, but there was this TikTok challenge going viral, like a couple of months ago where people were sticking their head in the ice water. Yeah. So that's a DBT skill. So for someone who's having a panic attack, it's like a studied research thing. If you put your face in ice water, you dunk in an ice water, it slows your heart rate. and it can actually stop a panic attack. That makes total sense.

Don't mean to brag, but you got to try the ice roller. I'm going to give you one. I'm obsessed with ice. And Michael is a huge, when he annoys the fuck out of me, I just throw him in an ice bath. We talked about this recently in an episode, the benefits of doing ice bath every week. And you do it like, but basically it don't do it forever, like 11 minutes for week. And it's a same thing. Like it helps with the nervous system, helps anxiety, helps depression, helps your hormone response.

That's interesting, though, that just by sticking your head in it, you can also get. get very similar benefits. I'm going to start sticking my head in ice. There's a certain nerve in your face. I forget what it's called. It's like the symbiotic nerve or something. And all animals have it too. And when you do a dive into really cold water, that's what kind of makes it work. How long do you leave your face in ice? I'm like if you're having a panic to act, like we literally had to practice the shit. Like even if you're not upset, just like so obviously if you're if you practice doing it when you're not upset then you're going to know how to do it when you are in that moment of crisis but like yeah if you're having hard time breathing then you're putting your head in for like count to 10 and then out breathe and go again that's a really good tip for a panic attack that's actually like one of the best tips I've ever heard is to stick your head in a bowl of ice yeah water right ice water so so when you're there is there any point that you're like I want to leave even I want to go on Instagram and I'm over this?

100%. So what do you do? Well, I couldn't go on Instagram. Yeah, I didn't have a phone. Like, I also coming as someone who like, I had a lot of friends. I ran a business. I lived alone. I had a cat.

You fell off the face of the earth to them because. I fell off the full face of the earth. Like no computer, no iPad, no phone, no email, nothing. Pausing for a second. Do you remember what that first week was like off the phone? Because I imagine, you know, we're all so connected. And I think about this all the time. Like what if Lauren and I went somewhere and just left the phone for a few days, like what that would feel?

Like it's been, I mean, I can't even think of the last time we did that for multiple days. Do you remember what that felt like? I think the first week was relief. Like, it had been causing me so much turmoil or honestly myself. I had been causing myself turmoil by using the phone as the tool to do that. That I was just felt so relieved. Like no responsibility. No one's like emailing me 50 times, you know.

I'm not getting anxious that I'm not responding to an email fast enough. Like I just felt like, oh, I can sit with myself and breathe. And then maybe like a month in or a couple weeks in, I'm like, oh, no, wait, I really miss my best friend or I miss talking to my dad or I miss my ex-boyfriend, you know, whatever it was. I imagine you could sit with your thoughts a lot better because like with this thing, we're constantly like up down, up down, up down. It blocks that path multiple times a day. I think I wouldn't have had the same effects. and or like positive results in the program if I had a phone. I'm sure.

So what are some other tools that you picked up from this hospital? Like, like were you doing tapping? No, meditation. Like what are the things? Yeah. So you do mindfulness, which is kind of like meditation and we would do that daily and we had a class once

a week on it. So that's kind of, you're in class all day. I like joke that. I'm like, I have a PhD in mental health, in myself. So it's like a class where you're sitting down.

Yeah. So you're not how I. envision this. So I'm in class from like 9 a.m. to like 1 p.m. usually. Or it's group therapy. So it's like one hour or 45 minute to an hour increments. And you have a psycho education class. And the research on this is fucking amazing. It's one of my favorite things that the more people know about their own issues. And even on like a scientific level, like what is anxiety? What's going on in my brain or what the hell is depression, way higher rates of like getting through it and recovering. Because you under because they actually understand like they make you understand what it is.

Yeah. So it's not just like what am I doing this for? What am I working on? What the fuck is this, you know, stuff that we're doing all day every day. I don't really understand it or how is this going to help me? They like drill it into you and you learn like this is what's going on in your body when you're having a panic attack. People go in to the emergency room thinking they have a heart attack, like more often than not, and it actually turns out just to be a panic attack. Huh. When you, when you left the program, did you feel healed and did you still feel suicidal at times? No. Never again. It's actually crazy. And my therapist and I talk about this all the time, because even this week, I was going through something in my personal life. And she was like, Eileen, if this had

happened when I met you, we would be having a phone call right now from like this psych unit at the local hospital. Like you would be in such crisis or you would have to go to the ER. And she's like, you're calling me from home and you're calm and you're explaining the situation. And she's like, this is like, I just want to take a moment and pause and show you how much progress you've made in two years. When you started opening up about sex, I know you did it when you were very young, was this after or before the hospital that you started creating this platform where people could talk about sex? Before. Before. And so when you came out of the hospital, did you continue to talk about sex so openly? Yeah. I mean, I still talk about sex, definitely on my Instagram and stuff,

but I've more pivoted towards mental health. But I also think the two are so interconnected. Right. But it was never really, like as much as I like to talk about, dating and like fun sexual stuff it was really more like the sex education the health like what is a period getting my iud put in like i share all of that stuff very open online and that to me felt very interconnected to like my sexual wellness is connected to my one my mental well-being what's a common denominator that you see people asking you about when it comes to sex is it is it protection is it swapping partners like is it they don't like their partner what do you see a lot Oh, everything.

But I think people come to me for more serious things because they know I'll talk about it. So, like, I get messages about like, oh, God, sexual assault, like, you know, more intense kind of subject matter. But I also get stuff of like, how can I give a good blowjob? And I'm happy to answer both of those questions or talk with my followers. And I'm like, I don't know everything, but I can tell you what I know. I got a really good tip on how to give a good blow job the other night when we were out to dinner. I want to hear it. Oh, God.

Sorry, Josh Flack. Oh, yeah, it was from Josh Flack. He said, you probably already know this tip, maybe. Maybe you don't. Taylor, do not get a heart on. So he said that it's really important. A lot of girls are ignoring the gooch. Okay.

You cannot ignore the gooch. Like with your fingers or lick it? He said lick it. He said, gooch. Josh is wild, though. Gooch all the way up the scrotum to the tip. he told me that that is the move

I'm not going to say it's not the move but I would just say that he's on the wild end of the spectrum is the scrotum or is the goch sorry

actually have that much sensitivity so they say yes and he said that he's well I would like to know go for it

well listen tell us about your go go let's listen after this show we'll go we'll figure it out um

no I I imagine listen I'm telling you Josh is on the aggressive end of the spectrum. And Lauren was talking about, you're not answering the question. This reminds me of like, is your gooch sensitive. I'm sure. Yes. What do you mean I'm sure? You don't know? You've never touched it. It is, but I've touched your gooch multiple times. Don't me to give you the answer. Yeah. It is, but it doesn't mean every guy's going to like that spot.

Oh, so it's like it's gray. It's not black and white. It's gray. Like everyone's different. I don't know if I need you down there right now. Why? I don't know if I do. I just like maybe sometimes it's Oh, I'm getting down there after he told me that. Okay. So, like, we can try. Does it freak you out? No, it doesn't freak me out. I touch your gout all the time.

It doesn't freak me out, but it's not something that's like a requirement for a good blowjob. How do you know? Like, because I, because it's mine. I know. But I think, like, some guys have certain requirements to call it. Like, that's not one of my requirements. Okay, but he wasn't saying that. That's like saying, like, do you want a cookie with frosting?

Like, the frosting would be nice. And, like, maybe I do want a cookie with frosting. But, like. Taylor, what do you think? Way in here. For me. I don't think it would be something that's going to blow my skirt up. Well, you last a minute, so you don't count, number one.

I just, for me, because I was thinking about it, and I'm like, I don't know. I don't know if that's sensitive for me or not. I'm going to say, I'm going to say this. I'm going to take my thing that's supposed to make me horny, just to add to this conversation. I'll only take a sip first. So hold on, that has, it has coven, crate a minute, it's all natural as plant, but just warning you like maybe take half if you want. Okay, why it will make me anxious?

No, we'll make you, it should be like. It's a heart opener. It's going to make you feel euphoric. so I'm going to get high in here if I take the whole I told her off there that we're going to have a five-sum in here because I'm here for the gang bang I'm sure you are

It tastes like some people don't like the taste I don't mind the taste I don't mind the taste You know why the like sediment you taste Yeah it's the plant it's the sediment you taste I like it I like it It tastes like stevia a little Yeah there's a little stevia at it Okay

There's a little steviatic Yeah you'll feel good It's not like crazy I mean it's not like crazy I think let me stay on this subject here So hurry. Okay. Of Gooch? Okay, what about your asshole? See, okay, so here's what I'm telling you. I am not one of those guys. Okay. And again, people are going to have different takes on this. I feel in some ways like I don't need to have my wife do that, right? Like it doesn't make, I don't think that's like I don't want to have to have her do that. It doesn't turn me on. Some guys really like it. But again, I think this goes back to preferences. Like for me, if she's asking, should I do that? I'm saying no. Like it actually doesn't turn me on. I don't want that. Okay. It's not that I'm not that. It's not that I'm not. It's not that. I'm not. It's not that. I'm not. It's not that. It's not that. It's not that. It's not that. It's not that. It's not that. It's open to it. What if she's like it really turns me on to be all up in there? If she was like it's like it's a deal breaker for that. I don't need to lick. I didn't say lick. I just meant a finger up there. Oh yeah. If she was like this is something that I think it's kind of like what if I was into anal all the time.

It's like maybe it's a once in a while thing. But I'm not going to be like every time because she's like maybe doesn't like that every time. Hold on. If I wasn't your wife though like do you want me? Yeah. Does that change? I'm imagining that website, that red flag guy and it's like anal. My personal preferences is I am not an anal guy. Okay. My personal. Analy. Analy. Have I partaken in that activity before?

Yes. It's not my, like I would rather go the traditional way. Like that turns me on more personally. Why is it like a cleanliness thing? Kind of that. But also. He's very clean. He's cleaner than me.

Also, I'm just more attracted to the female vagina. Okay. That's fair. that's my thing. I don't think there's anything wrong with everything, but it's just like if I have my preference of like where I'm going to, what my default is, there's that.

Yeah. Taylor, are you going to buy a hole? I've actually never had any... I also think guys that haven't had that... It's like this. Guys that haven't had threesomes or haven't had that experience are way more excited about those because they haven't experienced them.

If you have, it's like to me a threesome now is, it seems like a lot of work. It's a chore. It's like, oh, God, I got to do two people here. You know, because if you've had that experience, It's like once you've had it, like, okay. But again, some guys are like, that's my main thing.

Same with anal. Like, if you haven't had it, like, I need to, I've never done this. Let's ask the expert. Yeah. I mean, though, what if someone's on and they just, they like the feeling of anal sex? Or it feels more taboo. It turns them on in that way. It feels tighter.

Well, you're not doing anything. You're dead. You're in bed by 8 o'clock looking at Chihuahua accounts. So let me clarify. There's nothing that's happening for you. If my wife was like, I'm so turned on by that activity, I'd be all for it. Okay. But I could tell she, that's not like necessarily her act.

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I think though back to the blowjob question. Like, does that excite you or make the blowjob better to be getting a blowjob and someone's going around your butt and putting a finger in it? Not really for me. Okay. That's not for you. And listen, Lauren's tried. That's where they do analingus.

I'm always going to try. I like to test limits. Listen, Lauren, I like to test limits too. I'm a try. Anything Once, girl. Yeah, I'm going to try anything once girl. I'm a sure. I'm a try anything once guy.

Okay. But I guess what I'm saying is like, it's not my like. Besides open relationships. Yeah. Or no, because I'm telling you. For you. I don't want to deal with a bunch of people's emotions. I can't do.

I can barely do with my friends. I'm emotionally closed off. That's why we need therapy. Yeah, probably. Pull it around full circle. And by the way, I'm not saying you're wrong on the therapy subject. I actually fully agree that if I was in with a good therapist, it would probably do nothing but enhance my life. So I want people to hear that. It's same with meditation, right?

It's like, I know if I could get into a great meditation practice. There's things like this. I mean, like, everybody knows if they worked out, if they ate better, if they were positive, they got into a good therapy. If like all of these things could do nothing but help. Trying to talk about therapy why Taylor pulls up rusty trombone on the internet is interesting. Do you know, can you? There, the rusty trombone. Oh, so it's like a hand job while they're eating their ass? The trombone is the shaft of the paper. I've never heard that before. Oh, that makes sense. So it looks like she's. playing a trombone. Everyone should Google us. So let me explain this image to you. There's a woman

eating a guy's ass with her hand around grabbing his shaft. I love my wife and I don't ever want to put her in this position. Well, I think though that if I was your mistress, you wouldn't mind it. I could degrade the mistress. I don't know. I just think you wouldn't mind it if I was your mistress. I don't think, but I'm saying like, I think about these things. I'm like if somebody was filming my life on TV. I just feel like fecal matter is not sexy to me. Yeah, but I don't think you do this after you just went to the bathroom. No, but there's bits. Here's the thing.

No, not if you, what do you mean? I'm not saying on him. He's probably clean as a whistle. Soap up there. Taylor, our producer, for sure, is having dingo berries. Here's the way that I feel about this. You get clean. No, you take soap, especially if you know you're going to have anal sex.

You could also use an enema. You're clean. Here's the thing that I don't worry about the cleanliness. If somebody, if I'm having... I love that our conversation got here. We're been on this for like 10 minutes. If I'm having an encounter and somebody is pushing for that, I'm like, okay, this person knows what they're doing.

They've done it before. They're probably clean. They've probably taken the steps. If in the reverse, I'm the one pushing for this and the person's not sure and they haven't done it, I'm backing off because I don't know what kind of accident we're going to have. That's fair. No. You definitely have to prepare with anal.

I don't believe that anal is like a spontaneous thing. You need lubrication. You should use a condom because, like, most people. don't want to finish in the ass. Like, that's a long time to be, like, fucking in someone's ass. I think that if you like fucking in the ass, you should fuck in the ass all day.

No, definitely, but I'm saying for, okay, in my experience, when I have had anal sex, I, let's say we have anal with a condom and then they take off the condom and then they can have sex in my vagina. Got it. So that's a quicker turnaround. Then, like, you have to run to the bathroom, wash your dick off before you have

vaginal sex or else, hello, yeast infection. Okay. let me tell everyone who's listening. Do not ever let that penis even touch your butthole. Even let it touch your butt hole and think about sticking it in your vagina. Yes. There we go. Yeast infection and UTI.

UTIBV. It's just like, hello. But here's my point. I'm going to extend my point. You said that you think it's clean. The butt hole, because we clean the butthole. But if we're still getting a UTI or yeast infection,

there's a little fecal matter happening. That's when the penis is. No, but you're not. You were saying like, deep into the anus. You were saying, yes. Okay. I agree with Taylor. If Michael's penis touches my butthole for one second, I feel like, and this isn't like

by a lot of experience because I'm not a butthole person. I feel like it's UTI.com. Like I just think anal sex is very different than like licking someone's butt hole. Eileen, it's so nice to meet you. You know, like when you're going internal. Wait, okay. So I have to tell you this because it popped into my head. So you guys said that you haven't ever in a long time been off your phone.

for a couple days. So I went to this place called Canyon Ranch last month and they don't take your phone, but I asked them to. And I went by myself upstate New York or it's in the Berkshires. And I said, can you take my phone? And the woman was like, sure. And so when I checked into this fall weekend for two nights, I didn't, I didn't use my phone for three days, two nights. I think it's smart. I think it's really smart. And I was by myself. And it was fucking awesome. I literally felt like so refreshed. I was like, I need to do this once a year. I'm going to take my go up. What did you do?

Did you wake up, like, masturbate for an hour, read a book, watch a show. What do you do? So it's like a wellness retreat, like spa. So I went to the spa all day. I would like sit in the sauna, steam room. I got a massage. Like there's all this healthy food there. You can go on hikes.

I did Pilates. I swam every day. Like I was very busy and tired by the time I got back into my room. And what time did you go to bed and did you talk to anyone while? you were there. I did have the phone number to my best friend, Sean, who was watching my cact, but I wrote it down on a piece of paper, and there was like a hotel phone in my room, and so I would chat with them. And what time did you go to bed? Probably 10. So normal time. Yeah. Here's my plan, learn. I've thought about this. I want to get one of those burner phones

that you can plug a phone, because we have kids, right? So sometimes you've got to be reached. And we can go somewhere and just bring that and give it to... And I'll give you a rusty trombone. We'll put the phone, we'll get the burner phone, we'll go have a bunch. of anal sex. I'd rather look gooch. But yeah. He told me to lick it from the tip of the gooch. The tip.

Josh did. What is the tip? Like near the butt cheek? Near the butthole. Look it all the way. Because it's too underneath. Like I don't want someone sitting on my head. No, you don't have to do.

I feel like if they're on a chair, you can just spread. I don't want to get on the chair and spread. You know, I just don't call me old fashioned. You know? I just don't. need to be there with my legs up in the air. Like, you know, nobody needs to see that. Yeah, I don't know how hot I think that is either.

You know what? I'm going to try it out once and you're going to see that you're going to like it. So that's the tip. That's the tip. That's our tip of the day. Literally and figuratively. I do think you are onto something, though, with this no phone. I think it would be very helpful for many people because when it's just one day, like

off for 24 hours and like maybe you have a page or something if you're the babysitter needs to get a hold of you. Could you do that? No, I really want to do that. It takes a little preparation, though. Like, obviously, I went on a weekend, so it was fine for emails. But you can't just, like, if you have responsibilities or you own a business, like, you can't usually just fall off the face there. What is your relationships that you've been in since you left the hospital?

Like, what's the differences between the ones that you had before? Yeah. So I dated someone for a year. I mean, I've had, like, a few flings with people. I used to be a serial monogamous. I was always in a relationship since I was 16. I had a really difficult time being single and being alone. And that was something I wanted to work on when I went away.

Like I would jump into a relationship, settle for a relationship with someone that I'm not that into, but I'm like so scared to be single or alone. Like it's a really depressing state to be in. I feel like I had the opportunity to date people. And I was like, you know what? I feel finally like okay with maybe I'll hook up with this person, but I'm not going to make them my boyfriend. And I wouldn't have done that before.

What makes a good hookup? Let me live vicariously through you. You can't be too drunk because then you can't get off. Well, I can't. Oh, I can't come when I'm drunk. No, I prefer sober sex. I like someone who's adventurous. I like someone who I'm comfortable communicating, once again, communication, like what feels good.

and it needs to be continuous. Meaning like you got to keep hooking up. Yeah. It always gets better. I had one one night stand, I remember, which isn't, I was, I'm kind of monogamous too. I've had a lot of different boyfriends, but I had one one night stand. And I remember leaving and thinking, I will never do that again. That is so pointless because you don't know each other's body and the sex sucks.

I mean, I've obviously met people and have shitty. And have friends who have like, oh, I had an amazing one night stand. but to me I'm like I like to be comfortable like we could joke about doing some of like you know something like that or like hey let me go on your goch or whatever you know what I mean so and you can you don't do that with someone you just met every girl every girl is going to their guy and I'm like fuck the like the gooch they're just the whole mind thing yeah this whole episode the best tips for a blowjob are from a guy always yeah and I'm like I don't even get you guys I don't even get you guys I don't even get it's a whole thing I'm like I don't even get you guys I don't even get it. give hand jobs because I'm like you can do that better for yourself. No, no, let me too. For everyone out there, I don't, I would hate a hand. I don't, you know why? There's no hand that's going to be better than my hand. That's how I think. I gave you hand jobs before I blew you when I was 13. No, you didn't. No, you didn't. Yes, I did. Wait, what do you mean 13?

We hooked up. That sounds very scandalous. Michael was my first. No, Michael was my first low job. Wait, stop. How long have you guys been together? Not the whole time. We've, not the whole time. I keep to shoo her away. Not the whole time. That is crazy. You came back together. We came back together. That is so romantic. I used to give you hand jobs and you like that. Yeah, but I was 13. You know, like I've had a lot of... Yeah, he wasn't having sex at the time.

I know how to flick the wrist. You're going to say that I'm not good at a handjob. But let me tell you something. If you're a 35-year-old man like I am and you're still getting hand jobs, you got to go... Then I'm going to therapy. I love hand jobs. Of course you do. Case and point.

That's the guy that loves the hand jobs. That's a hand job while you're blowing is a great. That's different. That's different. Okay. What are you? What are you? I'm trying to think what are some of my favorite tips. I'm trying to think of some of the best sex I've ever had.

Maybe someone, yeah, I need someone who's adventurous. Like if I tell you like, hey, I want to do this roleplay or I want to fuck, like this guy that I was hooking up with actually right after I got out of the mental hospital. That I had hooked up with him a couple times right before I went in, didn't speak to him for half a year, and then got out and was like, hello, I'm alive. And he was like, oh, I would love to see you. So we started hooking up for a bit. and we I would love used to love going out to like a dinner or restaurant and we would have sex in the bathroom that sounds fun we also had sex in central park right after you first had your orgasm did you whisper into his ear I just got out of mental hospital you had sex in central park where were you like on the boat area where you had a hot dog stand I didn't grow up in New York but apparently it's like this he did it's this oh my god he's gonna probably hear this and be like

What the fuck? I mean, it's this notorious spot that people who grew up uptown, like upper west side or upper east side, who like don't want to go home and hook up in their parents. You know, if they are not allowed to, they would hook up in this spot in Central Park. It's like notorious. He used to fuck there in high school. And so he was like, this is the spot. And so we kind of just did it as a joke. It was like when the sun was starting to set and we just decided to have sex in the park. You know what? It was like a bucket list. This is bringing up a little bit of nostalgia for me because I did forget that I was. I gave you a blowjob in the McDonald's balls. She did. Remember that? No, listen, this is a fucking...

Excuse me, how old were you? We were young. Just so we don't get and fucking go to jail. We were kids, okay? You're like, this is like a couple three years ago. Were we in the balls or that? This may be an errant. In the slide?

We were giving blow jobs at 13. Yeah. I was. We were... I was a fun time. We were having fun. Here's the thing, Lauren. And this is maybe arrogant to say, this was all possible before all of this.

You know, you can't do this kind of thing publicly and get caught, given blow jobs in McDonald's balls. We're going to jail if that happens. Yeah. And you're a sex offenders for life. We also there was a couple different public places. Yeah, but we were kids, you know, like now. Warehouse, the movie theaters, down

to you remember that movie? So you job in the movie theater? I've never done that, but that's on the list. I was like, I've done taxi cab. Okay. Let me see. I did a lot with this guy actually. Like, I was just, I was like, oh, I just got out of the Mendels. That doesn't sound so. I know, it's kind of funny.

It is kind of funny. I'm owning that narrative. And I was just like, I want to do everything and anything. Like, I haven't had sex for five months. Like, that's crazy. This guy with his friends was like, this is the greatest thing ever. This guy just got out of the mental institution. She's fucking me all over the city.

We had sex in, I lived in like a doorman building on like a high floor. And we had sex in, not in the elevator, I wish, but we had sex in the stairwell, which like, I'm like, oh, my neighbor could walk in at any second. Like, we did a lot of fun. and stuff. He sounds fun. Hit him up. I actually, and I do talk to him still. What's your craziest sex story? Leave us with something funny. Minerals are becoming all the rage. They should always have been the rage. But now I feel like everyone is learning the benefits of minerals. We had Robert on of water and wellness. And he, and if you guys have not listened, you have to go listen to this

episode. And he explained how important it is that we get minerals. If you listen to that episode, you realize that all of our soil is becoming more and more compromised, which disables us from getting the proper mineralization in our body. So because of this, we're all walking around lethargic, tired, inflamed, so many things sick. And this is why it's so important to get the right minerals. So this is a product that I actually discovered like seven years ago. I used to push it in Michael's face. And now I take it on a day-to-day basis. And it's Kintan. And it's 78 trace elements, minerals, and electrolytes. And it helps us remineralize. And what you do, is it's like a glass little vial and you crack open the top,

you put it in your mouth and then you crack the other side and you just drink your minerals. I give it to Zaza in her water. It's so easy to implement. It's so easy to take it on the go. It's fast acting hydration and it replenishes the minerals. This is something that's a no-brainer for everyone because we all need minerals. And Michael really interestingly, when he started taking these, he immediately stopped getting headaches. I've tried everything my entire life to get rid of these headaches, and I've had them for as long as I can remember.

And since I've started implementing these minerals, I don't get them anymore. I can't remember the last time I had one. You guys have probably seen these kintan minerals everywhere. They're in a lot of health food stores, and they are legit. And like I said, I like to take them on an empty stomach in the morning. You could take them whenever you want, though, throughout the day. Water and Wellness has some amazing kintan bundles. You're going to visit water and wellness.com slash skinny to shop and use code skinny to save even more on top of the already discounted price. This is such a good gift, by the way, to give someone. It's like, hey, you need your minerals. So here you go. I gave it to my dad and I was like, you're taking minerals. Again, visit water and wellness.com slash skinny and use code skinny. I'm telling you, Kintan is the best for minerals and go listen to that episode with Robert. I've had a lot of threesomes.

Okay, give us the dynamic of that. Like, what's a fun? I used to hook up with this couple in L.A. That was a really fun dynamic. I lived in New York and I would come sometimes. and like hook up with them. How did you meet the couple? My friend was hooking up with the guy and the couple's roommate. Your friend was hooking up with the guy. With the roommate of the couple, essentially. And then the couple approached you?

Yes. So is this a conversation before you hook up with the couple? Yes. How do you like lay the grounds? I mean, they were kind of just like I could tell they were flirting with me. And I was like, oh, they're like, she's gorgeous. And he's really hot. And I was like, I'm so down.

and it just kind of went down like that. And no one was ever mad. No. Yeah. I know. So that's why I think I believe in being the third person in a threesome always. Like I've never had a threesome in a relationship. I've had a threesome with someone I'm hooking up with.

Actually, the guy, Mr. Central Park and I would have threesomes all the time. Because I didn't feel like I respect him and we have a great relationship. I wasn't like emotionally in that invested or like in love. So I wasn't jealous. I couldn't do it with like a boyfriend that I'm in love with. But as a third, you're like, okay, I show up, I have a great time, and then I leave and you two can clean up the mess and deal with it. You see, there's always someone to clean up the mess.

How do you know that they were cleaning up the mess? Because they ended up breaking up actually after our last threesome. And I know. And I remain friends with them both separately because I met them at the same time. Do they blame you? No, not at all. I just blame what? I think they blame him.

I think maybe she wasn't as comfortable. didn't want to really have they had had a bunch too it wasn't just with me and I feel like that was a kind of dynamic she was doing it to like make him happy I just want to say Lauren 11 for 11 no 11 oh he's saying no he's saying 11 for 11 so the next person then comes on he's going to do that I'm looking for the I'm listening I'm looking for the winner that's gonna give all of his friends that's kind of weird like I don't I don't recommend that for people girlfriends or guy girl because then that's in the yeah that's in the dynamic now like I've done it with one of my best friends. Like you and a girl have hooked up with a guy. Yeah. And like we fully like had sex with

each other. Taylor, are you okay? Are you busy right now? And then is it awkward to go out with your friend after you? No. So but I think I'm a freak in that way. Like I think most people it would feel awkward, but I don't look at my friend any differently if that makes sense. But also I have a with this particular friend I'm thinking about, I feel like our relationship is not just a clear cut friend relationship. Like I wouldn't just have it with any of my random girlfriends. It's like I almost have like kind of a romantic-ass relationship with this girl. I love your generation because it's so open. I just love it. Like it's so refreshing to like, I told, I said this about Harry Jousey too. Well, listen. The way he came on, he's like, hey, what's up? Like past the water. I did a sex tape.

Do you guys want to see it? Well, there's a reason I push back on you a little bit too because I think at the same time, like opening other people's minds, including myself. I like, you want to hear this information, hear the perspective. Yeah. I just like this generation. I got the best compliment ever after that threesome. What was it? What was the compliment? It wasn't sexual. Oh. It was I felt so safe and so comfortable with you. Wow. That doesn't surprise me though because I feel like it was her first threesome. I had been hooking up with that guy like a couple years prior and we just were like, we went to dinner and we were kind of like, we want to do something fun tonight. And she thought he was a track. And so we just texted him like a selfie saying, do you want to fuck us to me?

I'm sure he was like, yeah, he flew right over. The guy's like, hold on, I'm in the park. I'll be right there. Yeah. It was ready to go. Well, no, it's not park guy. It's a different guy. I just have been an overshare since I've been little. And I feel like maybe I was born in the wrong generation because I talk to people that are your age and they're just free and open and liberated. And I wish I wish that our generation had a little bit more of that.

I mean, listen, this is just how. I mean, this was a very Puritan. I mean, you grew up Catholic. Like, there's pockets of this country that are still living in that world, which is fine. I feel like majority, actually. If you go outside of, like, the big liberal cities, a lot of people are more close-minded than you think. I mean, these are even conversations.

I wouldn't really feel that comfortable having in front of my dad. Like, I don't know if my dad would listen to this episode or like my old. My dad's listening. My old. My old. My older brother, like, no, that's just not. my family dynamic. Do I wish it was different? Honestly, yeah. Well, listen, I mean, I don't want to have these conversations with my younger sister, not because I don't want her to be open or them to be open

and do all these things. I just don't need to envision that. But if my daughter comes and has these conversations with me, you know I'm going to be very open about this. Sure, but I also like, I want to my daughter to be able to come to me, but I don't want to hear her about getting fucked in the She can tell me. She can tell me. I just, I, I, I want to have super open conversation with my kids one die down the line. Ever since I was little Thanksgiving dinner, like... I want to reserve space for them to feel comfortable to come, but I don't need... You don't need all the

details. Yeah. Is that why you married me to use me to do it? Yeah, I'm like, listen, good luck, go to your mother. So you want me to, like, teach all the things? I just, I mean, listen, I just think if there's certain things that, like, you know, you have a relationship with your... Like, I don't know, there's certain things I don't need to hear about or see. I know, but I kind of wish I had that

closer bond. Because, but also I'm missing the mom piece of, like, like I don't really have someone in the unit to go and it's it's uncomfortable to talk about like my dating life like I just feel like I don't have that place to go and I wish I did like I don't need her to come to me like I'm trying to do this rusty trombone no no no that's different but what if she's like dad I have this you can literally Google how to give a blow drop by the skinny confidential so if my daughter comes to me and she wants to talk to me about these things I'm going to create a non-judgmental space if she wants to come to me and say I want to talk about safe sex and guys and this and like yes of

course, but I'm saying, I don't know. What are you going to do? You're going to be like, so let me show you how to put a condom on a banana. Oh. What the fuck's a condom? You're going to go, say, go to your mom. Hey, listen, I can't do condoms. I'm sorry. I can't do them. Listen, I was with partners that didn't, you know, we didn't, you know.

I'm a sailor. It's a different time, I think, too, when you went to college. I don't know. So I made the sweatshirt years ago that's from an old AIDS poster from the 80s. Oh, going on him. And it says, like, I've only, I've fucked two people. And then those two people have fucked two people. And then those two people have fucked two people.

It goes on. And it goes, I've fucked 742 people just by sleeping with two people. Oh. So it's like for me, STIs, STDs, whatever, is just like, you know, it's bacteria or it's like microscopic. It doesn't give a fuck. Like, you could be the hottest person, the richest person, the cleanest person in the entire world and still have an STD.

And most people who have one don't know that they have one. Well, yesterday's gone down the river and it ain't coming back. He doesn't. Anyways, for our listeners. Yes, for our listeners. I think Condon. are important. Also, I just got off birth control for the first time. I've been on birth control since before I started having sex for 10 years, for nine years. Everyone should use, you're going to feel

better. I just got my IUD out. And so now, and I've, I don't use condoms usually because I'm always in a relationship and tested. But everyone should use condoms. Now I have to use a condom because I'm not getting pregnant. Everyone should use condoms until I want to. Except if you were with me in the back of the day, then don't worry about it. Oh. Right. Okay. First of all, I can confirm you don't have any. You know what? It feels like when you're drunk and you have a condom on, it feels like putting a bag over your head and doing push-ups. Really?

It doesn't... I think that's dramatic. No, it's not dramatic. Taylor, chime in. I don't mind condoms because I... I'm currently... I'm not married, so... I think condoms, like, don't feel that great.

Like, obviously, everyone would prefer to fuck without a condom. Like, sometimes they just, like, the lube is, like, weird, or it's just, like, it rubs a little... And, of course, I'm not saying that I like them, but I'm just saying for me, I'm not married, so I can... can't have kids. Have you tried woo-loob? Woo-loop. No, what is that? I'm going to give you some. It's coconut oil lobe. Okay. And I got a UTI every single time I had sex for like years. Really? And I haven't gotten one

since. Okay, so I use silicon loop. I'm a silicon girl. Why? It's the most slick out of anything. Okay. And it's actually what my gynaecologist recommends because I used to get a lot of UTIs too. So I hate water-based loop. I think it should get chucked in the trash. This one's this one, this is not water base at all. We'll have it out there. We'll give it to me free of water. Water base, though, it gets tacky. And the reason it's called like water bases, you're supposed to add water saliva to keep it slick, which I'm like defeats the purpose of lube. But the reason people use water base is because you can use it with silicone toys and like butt plugs and all the shit. You can't use silicone lube with silicone toys. You know, it's a lot to remember.

You can use this oil based lube with the silicone toys that we also make work. Can you use it with condoms? You cannot use it with condoms. See, that's what I mean. There's always a weird give and take. Yeah. You can't use it with condoms. Which is perfect for me. Yeah, we got it. I think that you are incredible to normalize this conversation. You can come back anytime. I feel like I could have asked you so many more questions.

I think... Maybe I'll more sex stories for your next time. These conversations need to be had because there are people that are not talking about sex. And it's really just not like it's normal. So let's round it out. Don't do anything I do. Have sex with condoms. Go to therapy.

Yeah. Probably invite another partner in the relationship. No, she didn't say that. Get it. Do it do it if it works for you. Yeah. If you want to do any anal stuff, I'd say a condom and make sure you take a shower or do an enema, like crap. A shower would be great.

And also definitely get off your phone. Yeah, get off your phone for a little bit. And Google Rusty Trombone. Thank you so much for coming on. Where can everyone find you? Pimp yourself out. You have a new dear media show. Tell us all the things that you're working on.

Okay, so my podcast is called Going Mental with Eileen Kelly. You can find it everywhere you can find podcasts. You can follow me on Instagram at Eileen. Like the song. Come on Eileen. So E-I-L-E-E-N. And yeah. You're really good on the mic.

Thank you. She's very good on the mic. And I don't say that to everybody. Excuse me. Really? I actually, I'm like, I was really anxious about, I don't love my voice. I mean, people. I love your voice.

Really? I always thought I was too nasally. It's very, like, soft. It's nice. And by the way. It's a stop and listen, voice. That is so sweet. You guys are making me blush.

Oh my God, my thing is working. Oh, yeah. Is that kicking in? It's kicking in. It's actually drugs. Imagine. You do have a great voice, and I just want to say, I have to say, who screenshots at her Instagram and was like, you got it. She changed my life.

No, no, no, no, no. You would have gotten on the network. They would have found you. Trust me. They do find the diamonds in the rough. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

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