The Bossticks - Paige DeSorbo On The Juicy Details, Beauty & Fashion Tips, BTS Of Reality TV, & Her Future On Television

Episode Date: December 18, 2023

#637: Today, we're sitting down with Summer House's Paige DeSorbo. Paige started off on Summer House in 2017 and quickly rose to fame, beginning a podcast with her best friend about anything from pop culture to fashion trends. Today, we sit down to have a conversation about all things related to the rise of Paige DeSorbo. We discuss everything from her childhood and moving to NYC as a child to how she got her start on Summer House and the dynamics of reality television. Paige dives into what the behind-the-scenes of reality TV is like, how she navigates the dynamic between her castmates, and her dating life on the show. She also gives the audience her best style tips to always look put together and ready for any event. To connect with Paige DeSorbo click HERE To connect with Lauryn Evarts Bosstick click HERE To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE To subscribe to our YouTube Page click HERE For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM To Call the Him & Her Hotline call: 1-833-SKINNYS (754-6697) This episode is brought to you by The Skinny Confidential. Our products are now available at Revolve! Click HERE to start shopping. This episode is brought to you by Sunglass Hut Head over to Sunglass Hut and discover the special selection of shades in store and on sunglasshut.com. There's the perfect gift for everyone this holiday. This episode is brought to you by Branch Basics The Branch Basics Premium Starter Kit will provide you with everything you need to replace all of your toxic cleaning products in your home. It's really a no-brainer. Go to branchbasics.com and use code SKINNY for 15% off their starter kit and free shipping. This episode is brought to you by Cymbiotika Cymbiotika is a health supplement company, designing sophisticated organic formulations that are scientifically proven to increase vitality and longevity by filling nutritional gaps that result from our modern day diet. Use code SKINNY at checkout to receive 20% off your purchase at cymbiotika.com This episode is brought to you by Vegamour Give your hair the power of the little pink bottle. Visit vegamour.com/SKINNY and use code SKINNY at checkout to recieve 20% off your first order. This episode is brought to you by WeightWatchers WeightWatchers is the #1 doctor recommended weight-management program and the trusted authority in evidence based weight-health. Visit ww.com/tsc to see if you qualify, and if you do, used code TSC25 to get one free month plus $25 off your second month. This episode is brought to you by The Farmer's Dog It's never been easier to invest in your dog's health with fresh food. Get 50% off your first box & free shipping by going to thefarmersdog.com/skinny Produced by Dear Media

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I had zero plan because I had no idea what to expect. I didn't know if someone was going to tell me what to do. So when I pull up to the house, they like put a mic on me and they're like, okay, go. And I go, go where though? They're like, go into the house. And so you walk in and you kind of wait for someone to say hi to you. In the first, I would say 30 minutes. I went into the bathroom and I called my mom and I said, I think I'm going to faint.

Like, I shouldn't have done this. This is not for me. I don't, I don't like it at all. And by the end of the weekend, I had met like Hannah and I was like, no, this feels right. I just, there's something about her. This is like going to be my best friend forever. Hannah was like, for sure my security blanket through it. I have been wanting to interview Paige on the show for a long time.

I feel like she was such a breakout star of Summerhouse. I immediately liked her. I liked her energy. I liked her vibe. I liked her style. When she came onto Summerhouse, I had been a fan of the show. And she came, I want to say in like season three. And immediately I was like, this girl is funny.

She's interesting. She's sort of like the voice of reason for the show. I was also so happy when Paige appeared on my television screen for Southern Charm. She's dating Craig, who is like one of the stars of the show. And I always look out for scenes with Paige. On this episode, Paige dives into what the behind the scenes of reality TV is like, how she navigates the dynamic between her castmates, style, dating life. She also gives so many good tips. And she talks about her top podcast Giggly Squad. I like this episode because it's multifaceted. It goes everywhere. It's funny. It's informative. And you get great style.

tips. On that note, let's welcome Paige to the Him and Her show. This is the skinny confidential him and her. Paige, I have wanted to interview you for so long. I feel like I followed you for so long. I mean, right when I saw you on Summerhouse, I'm like, she has it. Wait, I need, because I have all of your products, obviously, because I brought you balls. Okay, wait, I need the drops. The drop. Yeah, of course. Okay. Because I was like, wait, how do I not have these drops? We'll get you the drops. We'll get you the drops. We'll get it. Because. You're flying. You're flying to Southern Charm.

You got to have. How did I not know this was a thing? She needs the drops. I need the drops. I have wanted to interview you since I saw you on the show. There's something to me as a viewer that was really sparkly about you. Like when you came in the house, it was like a sparkly energy. And I literally said to Michael, she's going to be famous.

You know. Oh my gosh. Thank you. You just have it. Thank you. Yeah, you have it. Yeah. Yeah, it's the sauce.

Swagger. Yeah, you got to have the sauce. Yeah, you just have it. So now to have you on the podcast, it's like very full circle. I want to go back to before you were famous. What were you like when you were little? Probably the same. I loved attention and napping.

I was always a great sleeper. So when I was younger, I was actually a child model. So that's like, limited to. Yeah, I was limited to Easy Bake Oven. Like I did like when I was like 12, 13, I did like all like teen novel covers. So like anything on like the reading list that summer, like I was typically on the cover. It was very surreal. But at that time, I never wanted anyone to know.

So like no one knew I modeled my whole life probably until I was in like six or seventh grade when limited two came out because every girl got that to their house like before school started. So I was a child model and I didn't really ever do like sports or anything like that was kind of my thing. And that's how I fell in love with. like New York City and knew like, okay, one day I'm going to move to New York City. I thought I was like going to be a model. And then I would, I'm five three. So that wasn't happening.

Where did you grow up though? I grew up in upstate New York in Albany. Okay. So my mom would drive me down. She would like pull me out of school, drive me down like two hours. I would do stuff. And then I would go back home. Maybe that's why this is really weird. You sort of like looked familiar to me. Yeah. I got a lot of that. I'm not. I can't put my finger on it. But like, easy bake of and limited two these are all things i had like that's i'm like flashing back maybe there was like a familiar yeah about because limited to that was like the bible when that got delivered to your house i don't know idea what limited to is i'm trying to keep up men would never get the feeling like now i think about it like if limited two was still around i feel like i'd go in

that store and buy everything because you would like go into a trance when you were younger and you're blow up couch? I can't. The sticker machine. The phone that you could like see all the wires inside. Just. I know those things. I know the wire phone.

No, no, Michael, don't try to get on board with Limited to you. I'll be right back. I'll be back in a couple minutes. Okay. So other than modeling going to school, what was your childhood like?

You're very close with your mother. Yep. Extremely close with my family. We, like I said, I grew up in upstate New York and it was, I have an older brother. We're very Italian.

My mom's 100% Italian, so very like close-knit. And I was really like the first one to move away. And you would have thought like I moved across the country to like a different country. I moved two, two and a half hours away. But it was a big adjustment. And my dad, or my mom kind of had to convince my dad after I graduated college to let me go. And my dad said, okay, you have a year in New York City. And if you don't figure it out in a year, you're coming home. And so when I first moved, moved here for the first six months, I mean, I did nothing. Like, I partied. I went out. I was like, because I lived at home for college. So I had never been on my own. And then I got a job at ABC News.

And that was my first job. And I always wanted to be a broadcast journalist and thought like I was going to be like a news reporter. You kind of are in a way now a news reporter. Right. But that like, then it was like you moved to the middle of nowhere. You did it yourself and like on a farm. And I was like, I'm not doing that. No. Like, I have to move to New York. And that was, like, right when Instagram was, like, people were getting Instagram famous. And I was like, I feel like I could do this.

And so I worked as an assistant for, like, two years. And then that's when I got the opportunity for Summer House. Did you always know when you were a little that you were sort of destined for fame because of the modeling and you're moving to New York City? Like, you strike me as someone who has sort of, like, a natural confidence. I will say I loved, like, being the center of attention, like, in my household. like I'd be up on the kitchen table, like singing and dancing and being like, mom, record me. Like I, and I would always be like on my E true Hollywood story. Like this is what they're going to say.

So like growing up, I always thought like, oh, maybe I'll be like an actress or I'll be something. And then as I got older, I was like, okay, I'm probably not going to be famous, but I like the camera stuff. So that's why I went for broadcast journalism. Never in my wildest did I ever want to be on a reality. TV show or thought that I would be on a reality TV show at all. Like even when I got it, I was like, absolutely not. Why? I can't do that. For like how confident I would, I think I am and try to be, I feel like I'm equally as sensitive. And the first thing that popped in my head was like, I don't think I'd be able to handle this amount of people not liking me if that were to happen.

And so I was really scared about that. And my. My dad gave me the best advice. He said, look, do it for one year. And if you hate it, you never have to do it again. I'll get you out of it. Like, don't worry about whatever contract you're signing. I'll get you out of it. How's your dad do?

Literally. I don't think he could have. But like, just your dad saying that, you're like, okay, like my dad will figure it out. I will take care of that iron. Basically, that's what he said. He was like, I'll take care of it. But he was like, but if you don't do it, you'll never know. Like, you don't want to look back and be like, what if I did that show?

And so that's why I did it. So are you approached by Bravo or is it something you like audition for or does someone recommend you? How does the process work? It's more of a casting company reaches out to a bunch of people. So like a summer house hired this casting company. I think they found like a bunch of just girls' Instagrams in New York and they had reached out to one of my girlfriends at the time and interviewed her and asked her, you know, like do you have any other friends that you think would be good for the show? And she gave my name. I didn't interview. you. And then I heard nothing, like silence. And I was like, you know what? Everything happens for a reason.

I wasn't meant to get this. I feel fine that I didn't get it. And then it was June, like two weeks before the show was starting. I was packing to like go away for a wedding with my boyfriend, like my boyfriend who was like at the time wasn't my boyfriend, but it was going to be. And they called me and they were like, look, we had two girls drop out and we want you to film this show, but you have to sign a contract today if you want to do it. Oh, that's a tactic. Full on tactic, but I didn't know that then. I was 25. So I was like, okay. So I called my parents, told them what happened, signed it, and then started packing for my first weekend of Summer House, had no, like idea what was going to happen, no, like even inkling, didn't really even know anyone on the show. When you're walking

into that house. Yeah. That's intimidating. Beyond. But I also think... Do they film every minute of every day? They do. Summer House is 24-7 surveillance. They're filming when you're like in the bathroom. There's no area to like go away and escape. There are no cameras in the bathroom. But if you're in the bathroom with another person, they can come in. But there's not surveillance in the bathroom. So it's kind of real world. It's very real world. Yeah. So that's why when like the Southern Charm guys came and filmed Winterhouse, they were like, like, what is this? Because we're never not filming. Because they're used to just doing like, they're used to filming and then you go home at night and then that's it.

You'll film again the next day. But once we step foot in the house, that's it. We're filmed until we leave. And is it like an environment where as it goes on, you just kind of almost forget that you're being. A hundred percent. And whenever I would hear reality TV people say that, like, oh, you forget the cameras are there.

I'd be like, you're stupid. Like, well, then open your eyes. Like, I was like, there's no way that happens. I would be mewing the whole time. In the first weekend, I forgot that they were there. How? You just kind of get like a custom to people being around. And I will say when I first walked into the house, I didn't think about there being lights.

Like, I just didn't think about it, but there's lights all on the ceiling. That's nice. So because you get a little filter. But isn't it when you go into bedrooms, there's like not even, it's like just like surveillance cameras, no? Yeah. How am I thinking that wrong? No, there are. They're in the corner.

And so when I first walked in, that's where I would forget. I'd be like, there's no way. Yeah. And they get like 10 p.m. the big camera guys. Like that's it. They're done.

And then it's just surveillance. And then it's just surveillance. When you walk into the house though and there's all these like girls and dynamics and like, it's like an onion in. Yeah. How, what was your plan to walk in and then what was it actually like walking in? I had zero plan because I had no idea what to expect.

I didn't know if someone was going to like tell me what to do. So when I pull up to the house, like put a mic on me and they're like, okay, go. And I go, go where though? They're like, go into the house. And I was like, but and do what? And they were like, what? Like, just go. And so you walk in and you kind of wait for someone to say hi to you. In the first, I would say 30 minutes, I went into the bathroom and I called my mom and I said, I think I'm going to faint. Like, I shouldn't have done this. This is not for me. I don't, I don't like it at all. I relate to you. This is how I would react. And she was like,

okay, just get through the, like, this weekend, and then you don't have to go back. Like, you won't go back. And by the end of the weekend, I had met like Hannah. And I was like, no, this feels right. I just, there's something about her. This is, like, going to be my best friend forever. Hannah was comfortable. Yeah, Hannah was like, for sure my security blanket through it.

Who was not comfortable? I mean, we can see when we watch, but who was not comfortable to you? Well, I think because the show, it wasn't, first season, Nide came on for the third season and they were having problems with the second season. They kind of needed new people. I felt just like a little bit of an energy from the first season people of like, okay, who are you? Who do you think you are coming onto our show? Which now, looking back, I get for sure. But it was definitely intimidating because they all knew what was going on. And it's kind of like when you're in high school. Like they're seniors and then the

freshmen come in and you're like, you don't know anything. anything. Exactly. And that's exactly how it felt. So you kind of felt like you had to earn your place on the cast. And me and Hannah got so close. Sometimes I almost felt like, oh, do they resent that we got so close or like that people like us? And so it's a very tricky dynamic to like navigate. There's also an undertone that I feel as a viewer of hierarchy like behind the scenes. For sure. I can feel like there's like the king of the castle. It's like Game of Thrones vibes. But that's not showcased on television.

You can just tell like certain people are put on a pedestal more than others. Lauren's got a notepad out when this stuff's going on. I love it. No, I've always said that there should be a reality show about the people that make reality shows. Because our COVID season that we were like all locked in the house together, our whole crew like was fighting and wasn't talking to each other. So producers would come in and be like, okay, like, what's going on? And I'd be like, no, no, what's going on with you guys? Because it doesn't seem like you're speaking.

They like wouldn't tell us because, you know, they're not like our real, like, legit friends. Like, technically they're like our producers. But so we would never know the gossip, but we could tell like something was happening. But also there's an energy within the cast that you can feel. Yeah. Off camera. Does that make sense? Yeah.

Yeah. Definitely. I mean, I always say, like, It's like any group of friends. If you get 12 people in a room, obviously certain people are going to be closer to other people. Like it's not, you know, it's not like we're all going to be best friends all the time. We would be an absolute disaster. We go to a party for an hour and a half and leave as quickly.

That's what I would be in the bed. That's why I'd be in the bed watching Summer House. No, that's the thing. It would be like, Michael, you're staying in this house for 12 hours of the same people. I'm like, listen, I usually am out. I ghost. I do the Irish goodbye. Hour and a half.

People are wondering what happened to this guy. And people will always say, like, how do you guys not get hung over? Like, we never see you guys hung over. And I'm like, you complain about me being in the bed. That's me being hung over. Like, we're drinking all weekend. Yeah. And so I'm like, I need like a minute.

Why do they complain about you being in the bed? Oh, God. This is it. Let's write a thesis on this. Hold on, Michael, you got to get with it. You can write a whole dissertation. I will watch the show, but I may be not up to the point of like the follow-up of people. This is a big theme.

I don't want to say it's the persona. they gave me because I am in fact the one in the bed. But they've, like, anytime we're gossiping or whatever, all the girls, we just like get in the bed and talk because there's just so many places in the house you can go. What are you going to do to go like sit on the couch and like cross your legs with a spot of tea? Like, you're at home. Right. Like, I can see why you're in bed. Now that I've met you though, I got this weird thing where like I can't get fully vested until I meet the person. Whenever somebody comes on that is on one of these shows. And I will watch and I will view as a casual viewer. But when I meet someone now, I'm going to be screaming at the TV and yelling. And if somebody comments, I would be like,

hey, what the fuck are you talking about? You know what I mean? She just needs her rest. People do get viscerally mad that you're in the bed. It's like hysterical. It's so honestly, though, if that's the worst thing, then I'll take it out. You're going to see me in the comments section fighting with people now. If that's what they're the most mad at me for, I'm like, fine. On the show, I feel like you're the voice of reason. I try. I Sometimes, but there are definitely times where I've, like, regretted certain things I've said or, like, you get just caught up in the moment. But I try and look at every situation a little bit more logically. Yes. Sometimes I'm even like, wow, you held your tongue. Yeah. I'm like, I don't know how she held her tongue. There are sometimes, too, yeah, where I'm like, I could have gone. I could have gone harder. Are you, like, thoughtful and, like, strategic when it comes to that? Or is there no strategy and you just show up as yourself? you kind of have to you kind of learn that with trial and error like obviously like the first time I was on the show like I walked in and I was like okay what are you know what are people going to

think of me watching this but you genuinely can't be anything but yourself because you can lie to the people around you but there's something about the camera that if you're lying people immediately pick up on it and it's just like a very odd thing I think it's like people recognize like all the body language and all of that stuff. Yeah. So you really, you really can't put on a persona too much. And also you have nothing to do with editing.

Like we have nothing to do with it. So how long are you filming for? So we start typically the first weekend in July. And we film every single weekend until Labor Day. So your whole summer is there. Wow. Yes. I didn't realize it was that long.

That's a lot of work. I haven't had like a summer summer since I was 25. Yeah, that's a lot of work. But you can never just charge off and go to the, you know, you're in that house. You're in that house just for the weekends. Then we're in the city during the week. And we're filming during the week probably like two days a week. So it's a full, yeah.

But how much physical time do you have to actually be in that house from like a, I guess from like just like a straight? Like how many nights in a road do you have to stay and then when you're there? Two. Okay. Except there are times where we'll have a long weekend. Okay. And we'll have a party like a Fourth of July that's, we'll typically leave like that Monday.

Okay. I got it. At what point do you meet Craig? And talk to me about your boyfriends before. Like I want to know like the trajectory of the meeting of Craig. Like you're who you. I saw you dating someone before Craig on the show. So I actually, the reason I did the show, I was 25.

I'll never forget this. I was dating a guy. We were on and off. It was like a classic mid-20s relationship that like changes you as a person. And he said to me, if you do this show, I'll never speak to you again. Oh. So I was like, and that's. it and I'm doing the show. Well, also, like, that's so controlling. Just, it was a very 25-year-old

vibe. It was, like, we would get back at each other, but it was kind of like the push I needed to feel confident to do it. And I don't, I'm so thankful for him. Yeah, thank God. He said that. I should send a thank you note. And then two years into being on the show, I started dating my next boyfriend who didn't love the idea of his girlfriend or potential wife being on a reality show. And I understood it to a certain extent, except that he started dating me and I was already on the show. So it's like you knew who you knew what you were getting into type of thing. Also, you had started to form your career outside of the show. Like there was a lot of opportunity. It's just from your perspective. He like knew what he was signing up for. Yeah, basically. And he

He was older than me and he wanted to settle down and I totally understood that. And ultimately, I just wasn't ready. We were into totally different spots of our lives. I definitely contemplated not being on the show anymore and like getting engaged and kind of going in a different way. But I literally broke out into hives one night. And that was like my sign. I was like, wow, my body's really trying to tell me something.

And we broke up like the next day. I just knew it didn't feel right. While I was dating him, we were filming an episode of Summer House, and it was Kyle's birthday, and Craig came to the birthday party. And that's where I first met him. But I had a boyfriend at the time, so we didn't really speak at all. Did you think he was hot? Had such a crush on him.

But obviously knew who he was. But where is the Italian guy in all this? He's not even around yet. Got it. We're still, he's nowhere to be. be found. Fast forward two years. We all do Winterhouse. Craig's in a relationship. So I don't even acknowledge him, really. That's where the Italian guy comes in. That was his first season. And then a year later, me and Craig started dating, basically. I get you and Craig so much. I get it. I think when

you guys got together, I think you don't have to say anything, but I think you guys are 100% going to get married. Thank you. It's because I think what it was for me, this is so weird because I love my reality TV. I've seen both of your shows separately. And so when you guys got together, it was like two friends that you set up that made sense. Yes. Like it just works. Like when I met him, I felt, I just felt something different. And my mom even said when I would talk about him, I was like a classic any date I would ever go on and be like, oh my God, I just met my husband. Like, I'm literally marrying him. And when I started talking about Craig, I didn't say any of that.

And my mom was like, wait, I actually think this is real because usually you'll call me and be like, oh, my God, I met my husband. And she'll be like, oh, did he ask you any questions about yourself? And I'd be like, no. And she's like, that's not your husband. And with Craig, it was just different. I don't, I can't explain it. It just felt different.

It kind of parallels with your friendship with Hannah. There's something comfortable about it. it. Something so comfortable. And I think coming from a relationship where I was almost like embarrassed that I was on reality TV and almost felt like a little bit trashy that I was on it. And then to start dating someone who was like, oh my God, everybody loves you. You're so good. You're so funny. Like to just go from that to like this praise felt so different. And like for him to get, we basically have the same job, him to get certain things that I couldn't explain to someone who has never filmed a reality show. There's just certain things you wouldn't understand.

And so, like, we had that going that I think was really important. It did seem like, again, this is all as a viewer, but it does, it did seem like the people you were with before Craig felt that they were, like, above reality television, sort of like an elitist and all of people dismissive of what you were doing. Which to me is, it's so crazy that someone can be dismissive of what you're doing because you've taken it and really ran with it with everything you're doing, which we're going to get to. Yeah. But there was, like, you could tell there was like a dismissiveness towards you. And that makes total sense that because Craig was on a reality television show, he understood.

And I almost feel like now sometimes that's why I'm almost a little bit too intense with Craig where I'm like, I'm not ready to get married. I don't want to, I want to like focus on my career for like a little bit longer. because I was in those previous relationships where I didn't ever like put myself first or my career first. And I feel like so strongly about it now being in my 30s. And Craig might get like, you know, the brunt of that a little bit. But it's so important to me to like be so independent because I had those relationships where I wasn't. Like I wasn't treated like an equal. I was very much treated like a girlfriend who's not as successful and like yeah she's just there. I think a lot of really strong, confident successful women can attract these men that try to put

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like, do you mind if we took a picture? And it was the first time it had ever happened to me. And I was like, oh my God, this is so exciting. Like, yeah, absolutely. And I'll never forget. My boyfriend said, oh, I thought they recognized me and were coming up to me. Well, I am guilty of that too. And I was like, great, but this guy was not like, you wouldn't have known him like at all.

I was like, what would they have known you for though? Like. So he basically was like totally dismissing you and shitting on you to make himself look better. So in that moment, I was like, wow. you kind of just ruined such a first time moment for me and made it about you. And I, like, I should have known then, but yeah. No, Craig's, Craig's the right guy. Yeah.

So when you and Craig start dating, were you guys secretive about it? How did you go about, like, deciding what to do with that? Yeah. So we, like, official, we had started dating. Probably like a juicy sound bite that one of the tablands will pick up. Yeah, I'm trying to like see, like, if there's something I've never said before. We had started dating in September. and we didn't, people didn't really find out until like two months later, really and it was Bravo that was like Winterhouse was coming out. And they were like, we would like for you to say it in press during Winterhouse Press. Because we hadn't said anything on Instagram. I'm sure they would. That was pretty good. And we were kind of like, look, if you want us to, we will. But we kind of like that no one knows yet. So then finally, like we did say it. But people didn't.

I feel like didn't love it at first, which I'm actually kind of happy about because I think it made Craig and I way closer in the beginning of our relationship than we probably would have been. Because we kind of had like an equal, we're like, oh, everyone kind of hates us. What's the first date he takes you on? Like what's the first moment that you guys fell in love? Like your first kiss? Like what was your first things that you did that we didn't get to see as a viewer? So we actually went, our first date legitimately was on camera. And they never aired it.

What? Yeah. And we were so surprised by it because I remember filming that scene and being like, wait, this, I can't wait to like watch this back and they never aired the full thing. They did like a flashback to it. It was so bizarre. So our first date was legitimately on camera and I was so nervous. Like I remember putting like a dirty martini down on the table and my hands were shaking.

Like that's how nervous I was. were you so nervous? I think because like I also not only was I filming this first date, but I was legitimately on a first date with someone. And like I liked him. And then to have like eight people just watching it is like so nerve-wracking. And then you also think like, okay, like if this doesn't work out, like am I embarrassing myself? Like does it, do I like him way more than he likes me? Like what are people going to think? So you kind of, there's so many other things you think about rather than just like being nervous on a first date. Were you on Summerhouse or Winterhouse when this is happening?

Summerhouse. And does he ask you out? Like how do we get to the date? Did he ask you out? Did he start flurrying with you? He didn't ask me out on camera. No. Okay.

Now I can't even think how it even started, how that even started. I think it's going to come on the podcast. We're going to dissect it. Okay, yeah, we need to. Yeah. But prior to like filming that summer, I would say it was like May, May, like right before Memorial Day. and he called me and he was like,

do you want to come down for the weekend? And that was like the first time we had hung out by ourselves. And I stayed for the whole weekend. And then that summer we kind of talked, but he was doing his own thing. And then I was filming the show. I was kind of doing my own thing. And then by the time it was September,

I'm not going to lie, gave him a little bit of like an ultimatum by the end of the summer. And I was like, look, we can either keep going. and that's fine. That's like lovely. That would be amazing.

Or we can stop, you can stop doing what you're doing and we can like legitimately date. So it's either like we're dating or like I got to go. Good. That's, I love an ultimatumina.

Yeah. When you, when you go to, is it South Carolina or North Carolina? Yeah. Oh, God. Southern Charm. Sorry. They're the same.

Wow. There we go. Okay. When you go to South Carolina and it's completely different from New York City, you can feel like that you're like, this is different. Yeah. What was that like? It's like you're almost going from one reality show to another. Yeah. That has its own set of dynamics. And it's completely different energy and environment. I'm going to be honest, I went to an all girls high school. So I know when like a girl doesn't like me. And I think going down and filming Southern Charm, I was so nervous that the girls,

weren't going to like me because I was coming essentially like onto their show. I didn't want them to think like, okay, I'm coming on now and like now this is my show. Like I tried to keep a really like a boundary of how much I was getting involved in and how much of a presence I actually was on, am on Southern Charm because I didn't ever want anyone to feel like I was stepping on their toes. And also it's hard to like make girlfriends in general. especially in your 30s. So I am just always nervous about that, I think. Like, I never wanted the girls to dislike me.

And I never wanted to, like, be too much involved in their show. Or we didn't want it to touch your style. And also, like, I am just, like, so different in how I dress. The just a disposition of that. I'm like, sometimes I'm like, come on, guys. Figure it out. What did you stay on the show? You're like, sometimes, like,

How did you even put that together? Where did they sell that, honey? So it is like a little bit of an adjustment. But what did you do when you saw Craig's fixer upper? His home? Yeah. So when we first started dating, you guys, I'd be like watching the show didn't even see how like bad it actually was. Like the kitchen, there fully was no kitchen.

Like it was a construction zone. And the kitchen was in the living room. And I remember like when we first started talking and like me visiting. He was so self-conscious about it and, like, thought that, like, I wasn't going to like him because of it. And I was like, it needed a little bit of a feminine touch in there. Yeah, it was like, look, I don't care. Like, we'll look back one day and be like, how fun when we, like, lived like this. But I knew he was, like, working toward, like, fixing it.

But he needed me. Like, if I didn't hire an interior designer and, like, get things going, we would still have the same great couch. I'm going to defend Craig because me and Craig have a. a couple of similarities. Okay. Okay. I feel like Craig is one of those people that has to get really chaotic, but then likes to clean up the chaos.

Do you know, like there's something that's like, I'm like this. Like I love like a huge disgusting slob closet bathroom situation. And then I like to go in and just like meditate and therapeutically clean it up. And it's like perfect. And the reason I say that is because. No, but it's absurd because you turn around and say how messy I am if I have one thing out. And then what she does is Kurtz's chaos. And then she cleans it up and says, aren't you going to thank me?

And I'm like, this was your shit. But like the thing with Craig is like, you could tell when like he was doing his sewing that like it made sense to him. Yes. The organized chaos. Yes. Made sense in his head, but to no one else. And I feel like he's done that with his sewing company. He's done that with his dating life.

Yeah. And he's done it with his home. He fucks it up and chaoses it up to clean it up. On this line of thought, I could just go fuck a bunch of stuff up and clean up, but that's part of my process. I always say to him, I'm like, the inside of your brain has to be exhausting. Like, there's just got to be so many things going on. He has in his closet, like so many different piles of things, but knows exactly what are in those piles. And I'm always like, there's just no way that you know that.

And he, I will agree, he is similar to you, but he doesn't like to clean it, but he likes when it gets cleaned, like and organized. And that's usually where I come in. But how is it done with his company? He's done, look what he's done with his company. I will say his, the people that work at Sewing Down South are some of the best humans I've ever met. Like, he genuinely has created such a family.

Like, everyone that started at the company, they're still there. Like, it's, they definitely have such a close. There's really only like three of them that are like running it. I think about the coolest thing that he did with that is I mean, tell me if I'm wrong. I feel like a lot of people didn't take that seriously at all until it became what it is now. Even now, I feel like people will kind of give him a little bit of shit and be like, you know, you don't run it day to day or you don't do this. And he's like, right, but I started it and it's here because of me and like, yeah, no,

I hire employees to do like certain things. That's called smart delegate. Right. And so I think people try and like knock that, but that's just ridiculous. No, no, I respect anybody that has a vision and can pull it off, right? Absolutely. What's the differences between filming besides the camera everywhere, Summer House and Southern Charm? For someone who's a big reality fan, like what are what, give us some like behind the scenes of it?

I will say the schedule in general, like summer house is you got to prep. Like when you know you're going in on Friday and you're not going to not be filmed until Sunday. Like you got to really like prepare yourself like okay that's it like now I'm essentially you're working like I'm filming where with Southern Charm it's very it's way more lax like they Madison will come over for two hours we'll chat we'll gossip and then that's it they go home then you can like decompress in your own bed like by yourself so I actually prefer the way Southern Charmed films because it is just like I feel like it's a little bit easier. And also, I just hate packing for the weekend. You're very serious about your style. I mean, really, you have really good taste. Thank you. It's funny because everyone in Summerhouse, we all pack very differently.

How do you pack? Michael loves packing. Like, I pack for the weekend where, like, Amanda and Lindsay, they'll pack for, like, the whole summer. What? So they'll, like, Amanda and Kyle will pack up their car that first weekend, pack everything, bring it out there. put it in the closet and then that's like their summer wardrobe. But what if I'm feeling different? I mean, I could never do that.

What if I need that shoe in the city? And I know it's in the Hamptons. And also like I'm the type you buy a little here, you buy a little there. Like I'm not, to do that sounds so overwhelming. So exhausting. So I go weekend by weekend.

Because we will get like a little bit of a schedule of like what will potentially be doing. So I go by event and that's how I do my outfit. What are the like style tips for someone who doesn't know where start. Like, what are the essentials that they need to start with? I think it's all about, like, having really good basics. And that's how you can figure out what your own personal style is. And I also think, like, your style can be different every single day. Like, today, she's business she's business chic. Tomorrow, she may be full grunge. Yeah. So, like, you can, if you feel good in it,

I really do think, like, then wear it. Who cares? Like, if it's trendy or not. How do you dress for television, that would give me an anxiety attack. It's... Yeah, because something that looks so cute and, like, person... Does not look good on camera. It's like a stuffed sausage on camera. I never thought that was real. Like, oh, you look different on camera.

You 1,000% look different on camera. It is definitely a thing. And I, now, I actually try and not wear a lot of black when we're filming Summer House because it just, like, doesn't pop on camera. It's kind of like, eh. What about a print? I usually, I'm not, like, a huge print. girl in general. We know. We know. So, like, I don't really have to worry about it. But no, there are

certain times where I'm like, oh, that's going to look so good on camera. Like, that's a great color or, you know, that does nothing for my body. I'm going to look 10 pounds heavier in that on camera. Yeah. So there are definitely decisions that I make like that. You have a lot of stuff going on off camera, which I want to talk about your really successful podcast. You also have this amazing thing going with Amazon. How did the Amazon thing start? So the Amazon thing started actually my first year on Summerhouse. I had gotten fired from my ABC job at the production company.

And we like because I technically signed a contract with NBC. Got it. And they were like, you actually can't work here also. But Summerhouse was like, we don't care that you got fired. They like never even like covered it. So no one even like knew that season that I had gotten fired. I get fired and I'm at, happened to be at a 4th of July party like in the city. We weren't filming.

It was like on a Monday. And I met this woman who worked at Amazon and I told her I wanted to be a broadcast journalist. And I just started doing this reality show. She was like, oh, we just started this thing called Amazon Live. Do you want to come and be one of the models like while the hosts talk? And we saw this on the show. We saw you model for something or Amazon on the show. Yeah, we did.

On that my first season. Or was it Sierra? I think it was. Oh, no, that's when I did Access Hollywood. Okay, go ahead. You're right. So I do this like Amazon Live thing as a model and no one knew about it. Like I didn't tell anyone on the show.

I made like $200 from it. And every time they would call me, I would do it. And then like two months later, I was like, would you mind if I talked back to the host about like the item she's selling? And they were like, yeah, sure. And so they let me. And then a couple months later, I was like, do you mind if, I like host something. And they were like, okay, we'll give you like a segment. And then fast forward,

like now I have my own Amazon live show. And now it's all like reality TV, which is so crazy. And also I feel like you're you're a taste maker of what to get on Amazon. Like I've gone to your page and like there's like a like a link section on your highlights. And like you have all these really cool curations of like what to get. I think because like how I really did. start with like Instagram was showing my outfits that I was wearing to my corporate job every day. And I was right out of college. I was literally making like $2. Like I couldn't afford any clothes, but I wanted to look chic when I was going to work. So I've always been that like on a budget. Is there a dupe for it? Like how can you style it and

it look expensive? So I think I just like so resonate with Amazon in general. that it feels more authentic when you're buying something on my storefront. And what about your podcast with Hannah? How did that come about? And do you guys always get along? You guys are doing all these live situations. Like, how does that work? Hannah truly is, like, there are just those people in your life that you meet and you're like,

no, that's my soulmate. Hannah is that to me, for sure. Right when I met her, I knew we were going to be best friends. We met actually at the Betches offices, like in the elevator shaft. I got out of the elevator and she was the first person to greet me and I'll never forget that moment. So we started Giggly Squad because we just felt like on Summer House, we had formed such an intense friendship and you never kind of really saw it. And they would show like little clips or whatever. But then once COVID happened and we were in that era of like everyone going live, like everyone in their mom was like live on Instagram.

It was a weird era. Creepy era. Who was that one rapper that like, had like one of the craziest, whatever. But like that was like the arrow we were in. And we're like, okay, we'll like, we'll do this. Our show was airing. People hadn't seen it before.

And there was nothing else to watch. So like everyone was watching Summerhouse. So we would go live after the episodes. And then once the show was over, Hannah was like, well, we have nothing else to do. Let's just like keep going live. So we went live every single night from 10 p.m. to 11 p.m. for three months. Then we went into SummerHouse.

filmed that season, got out of Summer House and said, okay, let's just like make this into a podcast. We make it into a podcast and then kind of for the next, now we've been doing it for like almost four years. So the next three years we're just like doing a podcast and we just started doing our live shows, which is like, have you guys been a live show yet? We have not. No, you have to. That's so much work though. We've done a lot. It's so fun now. It is. Here's the thing. I don't think you get energy like off the audience. We'll go speak. Like we just like spoke it in a box. But it wasn't a podcast.

And I feel like with the way that we do this, I don't know if it always translates to why. How do you do it on like how do you take what you do here and pull it to stage? You guys like have a little bit of like a performing thing going on it as well. Yeah. Ours is a little bit more like comedy. So I think it's a little easier. Yes.

But like to be able to like meet the people that listen to you. Yeah, that's cool. You genuinely feel like they're your like you know them because you're like, oh, we, like, think about things in the exact same life. You know, like, also the reason is, like, I tell people, like, technically, this podcast is just, like, a side thing. Yeah. Even though it's like a, you know, it's become something. But, like, day to day, I'm running the company and then she's running her company.

And I think it's like to commit to be like, we're going on the road. No, I get it. And then the kids are at home. And it's like, not that we don't want. I think at some point, for sure we'll consider it. At one point, you should just do, like, one show just for, like, people to meet you and, like, be in person with you. and like you would be like you guys would be able to do it get like whoever your favorite guest has been have them as a special guest and just like talk to them okay and people would love it like they really would

all they want to see is you i think we'd have to wrap our heads on committing to it don't even care what you're talking about it's just like a fun night where they're like getting to meet you and getting to like hang with you no i love it i think it's really cute it's it's so overwhelming with two children No, I can't imagine. That's because it's like, do you bring them or do they stay? And then it's just like, it's a lot of logistics. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. And I was like, like, to logistically plan it. And then I just. But our live shows, I will say, I would never thought I would have been able to do it without Hannah. And her being a stand-up comedian does really help.

And then, and when we started the podcast, in no situation did we think we would be in the comedy section of podcasts. Huh. Like that wasn't like a goal at all. like we just kind of started talking to each other and it happened to be funny. So to now like to be performing at the New York City Comedy Festival with like legitimate comedians is just one of the craziest things. And that's how it's like it's so true.

You have no idea what could happen in your career like anything. But don't you feel like because you guys are in that world of comedy there's like a little bit of a performance thing and like people don't have to be a serious like someone doesn't need to come on here and like learn about their resting heart rate live right no that's no we have to you bring the car you bring but what she's saying is you bring a guest who is good with comedy yeah like it could be just like a fun night it doesn't have to be like a full comedy show like we do like do like do something fun like you could strip on stage like actually i want you guys to come to a giggly squad show and then i and then i promise well like i would do that because that's different and i wouldn't feel

the pressure to wait come on the show or watch i want you to come and watch i want you to come and watch to see like what it is and then we'll brainstorm your show. Okay. Because I feel like you definitely, if you, you don't have to go on tour either. You can do one show in L.A. And just try it. Yeah, and just try it.

You're opening up my mind. We, like, if the wheels start to fall off this thing, I'm going to skip all the live shows and we're going straight to Only fans, Lauren and I. And I feel like, I feel like honestly, if I was smarter and a little less shameless, I would be like, let's get on there. Only fans. Okay.

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Yeah. It's kicked off. Yeah. Okay. When Hannah got. Why did she get kicked off? She got fired. Oh, go fired. Okay. When Hannah got fired off the show. what was that like for you who's her best friend? You end up going into business with her. You guys are building a podcast. That would put you in a very weird spot. It put me in a really weird spot because, and I will say,

I think about this probably the most of any moment that I've been on reality TV. I have a lot of regrets from that season. I think about how I could have been a better friend to, Hannah. I could have been a better friend to Amanda. I think about how I was in the middle and how could I have changed the outcome of Hannah not returning that next season. I think about that a lot, but then also I think everything happens for a reason and in no situation would Giggly Squad be what Giggly Squad is had Hannah not been fired from that season because it just put us in a totally different area of our friendship. We no longer were on the show together. We're on the show together.

which means we didn't really have certain animosity that comes with like being on a reality show even though we never had that before we were always so close but giggly squad just would not be would not have taken the form that it took had that not happened so i'm thankful for that but also i do think about that time a lot of how maybe i shouldn't have been so switzerland and tried to be in the middle and I should have stuck up for Hannah and I should have stuck up for Amanda and I should have maybe talked more or said certain opinions and I I just always think back and like felt bad for what Hannah went through that whole year because that was probably one of the toughest years. Yeah, it was intense to watch. It was intense. But she's also also with

Giggly Squad and with what she does as a comedian. Yeah. I mean she's she's flourishing. So it's like you're Right. It's good. It happened. Yeah. But I think about it. I think about it a lot. How have you taken all of these things that you've done and sort of created your own future? Because I think that's one of the most interesting things about you is like a lot of people just go on reality television and like that's it. And that's fine. But you've like really like laid a map out. Yeah. I think part of it is and I feel like I've talked to a lot of people who are like about to go on a reality show or like thinking. about it and I've had friends like call me like what's what's your advice like what do you think I should do and I always give the same advice and I always say do it because you don't want to wake up in five years and wonder what if I did it how would my life be different and before you

film that first scene what is the end goal that you want from this show that's good advice like so I and this I think is why Han and I bonded so much my going into summer house I always knew like okay, I don't want to be on reality TV for the rest of my life, but I want to be established enough so that after I'm on reality TV, you still know who I am and you're still buying whatever I'm selling or you're still tuning into whatever I'm doing. And at the time, it was like Amazon Live and it was being a fashion influencer. And obviously that's like changed a little bit as the years have gone on. But I think if you're just going on a reality show to go on a reality show, you're going to lose yourself. Like you're going to lose your personality

and what you were there for in the beginning. So I think having a plan of what you want from it is probably the best advice I could give. Yeah, if you just kind of go on it and you get like addicted to your press clippings and like there's no end goal that can be really toxic because at any time you could be kicked off. And it's so easy to get like sucked into that. I had a producer tell me like the first year I was on who was like 50% of people are going to be obsessed with you. they're going to love you, they're going to die for you. And the other 50 is going to absolutely hate your guts. Anything you do, they're going to hate it no matter what it is. And he was like, but the great part about it is neither of those sides are right because neither of those people know you.

And that stuck with me for so long. And I was like, wait, you're so right. So if like you go, I've gone through times where like people have absolutely hated me on the show. And I've had to like take inventory of like, okay, are my friends mad at me and are my family mad at me? And if the answer is no to both of those, then I kind of have to kind of forget it. Because I'm like, it's, then it's nothing for me to do. I do you just stay out of the comments and the DMs? You have to. You really have to. I mean, there are definitely days. I'm obviously a human. There are definitely days where I'm like deep in them and I'm like, how could that person say that? But I will give myself credit like as the years go on as I get older. It's less and less kind of a part of my life.

the comments and what people could say. The problem with reading all that stuff, too, as I think about this a lot, is like it, it, it sways the way you'll behave or it sways the way that you'll actually share your opinion. And in the beginning, when we were started doing this, I used to like think about like, oh, what do they want to hear? And what is the feedback? But like the problem is, is that I have to be able to have a conversation with you without thinking about that.

Yes. And that's, I mean, that's the biggest thing on reality TV. You have to have a conversation and be yourself and not think about how are they going to edit this? Like sometimes I'll film something and I'll be like, damn, are they going to spin that where I look like such a bitch? But I'm like, I can't worry about that. Like, tell her how you really feel. Like, how would you do it like authentically?

So you kind of have to like put it out of your head. Yeah. And I also just like doing this for as long as we've done it now, you just realize that like people care way too much about themselves anyway to actually pay attention to you for that long. Right. No, that's so true. Like it's like at the end of the day, it's just like when everyone's going to sleep at night, they're not thinking about you. They're thinking about themselves. Yeah.

Yeah, exactly. I mean, I'd like to think that they're thinking about me. Well, but yeah, I just, I just think that everything is, people are way more concerned about themselves than they are about what anyone else is. I even think like in personal relationships. Absolutely. I just like, without perspective, I just take don't get bothered anymore. Right.

What are we in store for with Summerhouse? Because this is, I mean, what's just happened with Lindsay and Carl is intense. my first question, because it's like two-prong question, did you know that was going to happen? Or was that out of nowhere for you? Yeah, no. I mean, I had no idea that they were going to break up. I don't think either of them really did either.

So it was, if you don't know what we're talking about, you need to watch the show, Michael. I'm going to know who Lindsay who were going to get married in like I'm a couple weeks or something. Like everyone had booked flights. I know who they are, but that's not up to speed of place. And we're set to go get married in a couple weeks,

got broke up, which is like crazy. So here's what I'm saying. I'm sure this is a big issue, but when I hear about it in the context of like, to me it sounds like, oh, a couple broke up. No, but it's not, it's for the show. It's in the ecosystem of the show. The drama is heightened. I think the thing that people

are freaking out the most about is like in the bravo world, when you hear that cameras came back up, like that's just a phrase that people are like, oh, it must be so juicy. Like, we were done filming and then they brought cameras back Is that true? I don't, I didn't hear that. Yeah, so we were done filming our season and then all

the sudden we get a call like we're filming again. Cameras are back up and then and they broke up and called off their wedding. But is it just like did they grow apart? We don't know. We have to find out. I will say like if and when you watch the season like when it comes out. I told you now that I've met you, I'm going to be tuned in with a pen. Yeah, you'll definitely see. I'm going to be fighting in the comments with trolls. You'll see the ins and outs of their relationship, what their problems were, what they fought about, what they didn't. And I think, like, things will make more sense. But I can't say truly what it was because, obviously, like, I'm not in their relationship.

But do you think Craig is going to want you to move to South Carolina? I think Craig, I give him a lot of credit because he doesn't, honestly, he doesn't pressure me about moving ever. Like, we rarely, he'll rarely bring it up. But he, like, he misses you. You can tell. but I think he wants us to have a family and it be in Charleston. So I think whenever I... Can you imagine the pillows?

I know. The baby. Like I would go into, I would make him do all like baby bedding and like we would go full baby. So I think until I get the feeling of like, oh, I'd like to have a child, it won't really be a thing of like when I'm moving.

I think how you're handling it is perfect. It's like there's no rush. You obviously met some. one who from the outside looking in looks like a soulmate. Like you don't need to like... And I truly feel like until I have children in there have to go to school, we don't have to be in one place like the whole time. We bounce around.

Right. So I didn't move in with him until I was engaged. I waited. And here's the reason I didn't do it. I, he had like this like bachelor pad like beautiful house. And he wanted me to move in. I was living in my cute like studio apartment that I loved.

Everything was on my own. You were living in your Barbie dream house. It was like all organized and labels were out and it was perfect and pristine, like cute studio. And he wanted me to move into his house. And I always was like, I don't want to move my stuff into your house. And then it becomes my towel is on your floor. Yes. Because it's your house and I'm taking over your closet.

Yeah. Like it just, there's an energy of like moving in with someone where it's still their house. Yes. But now we've moved in together and my towel, you say, on my floor, but it's our fucking house. Everything's mine still. But that's why I felt so adamant about getting Craig an interior designer because I was like, I need to feel like I'm decorating your home.

Mark your territory. Or it's going to feel just like yours. Yes, that was really smart to do because it's like, it's like you have a part in it. I think in this, on this topic, like, I think it's okay to have like a little bit of a courtship period and also like live apart for a bit and then slowly. It's sexy. Sometimes people, like, they mean, not to judge people, but like, people rush into a lot of heavy life decisions. I agree.

You know? And I, I like a list. I like a plan. I like to know, like, what we're doing. I'm not someone that, like, rushes into major decisions like that, like, uprooting my life and moving somewhere or like buying a house together, buying a car together. Like, that's so not me. So I like taking it a little bit slower. People gave Lone and I a lot of shit for a long time.

I remember it was like, oh, when are you getting engaged? There's like this weird energy about it. When are you moving in? And like I think, when are you getting engaged? Yeah. And we knew that we had a really strong thing for a long time. At our perspective, we got together young. So I was like, listen, we're going to be together.

But we wanted to like kind of have even though we were not single, we wanted to have the 20s in the early 30s to like do things that people are age do. No, I say it all the time. I'm like when people ask me like, okay, are you moving or are you getting engaged? And I feel like it's like such a dumb answer. but I'm like, I love my life. Like, I love my life the way it is right now. I don't want to change it yet. I totally get that.

When you get married? They're going to say, do you have a kid? They're going to say, when's the second? Yeah. Go get busy, you know? Go figure your own shit out. Right. But there is that undertone always with that question of like,

when are you getting engaged? It's like exhausting. It's exhausting. And then I think you get to a point where people are like enough of you. Stop talking about your thing. The thing that I feel bad for Craig is because, because I'm, I'm the one that is kind of like, oh, I don't want to move yet. Oh, I don't want to get engaged yet. I feel like because I'm the woman, people will take it and be like, she doesn't even like him.

She doesn't love him. Like he should move on. And that always makes me feel so bad for Craig because I'm like, I don't ever want that to be like the narrative in the public because that is like mean to you. Even though he knows that's so not like what it is. But I always feel bad that like people say that because I don't want it to like hurt his feelings. feelings. But really, if the roles were reversed and he was the guy being like, I'd love to like focus on my career a little and I don't want to move yet and let's just keep doing what we're doing, everyone would be like, he's got his head on his shoulders. He is, look at him just being mature adults. Or they might also say like this guy doesn't take this person seriously and is pushing her, like wasting your time. Listen, you can't, you cannot win. Right. No, you literally can't win at all. I will tell you though, like my intuition, it's,

very interesting to see him on Southern Charm with you because his whole vibe is changed. Yeah. You can tell when he's like going out on the show, it's like he has a guard up of like he is not like looking. Right. There's an energy with like Austin where like when he was with someone on the show, you can still tell he's looking. Right.

He's looking around like a bloodhound. Craig's not looking anymore. Craig's close. Yeah. Greg's close for business. Craig is, to his core, like a family guy. Like, Craig can't wait to be someone's dad and, like, be, like, have that, like, core family. He's got, like, a teddy bear side.

Yeah. Like, he's ready for that next step, I think. And, I mean, we talk about it all the time of, like, our children, like, our future children and stuff like that. And he's so close with his family. And that's one of the things that is, like, top on my list of how he is with. his family, how he is with my family, and how excited he is to one day, like, be a family guy. But you'll pick the name. I told him he can do dogs. He can pick dog names. You got to pick the name. Like, anytime he suggests something, I'm like, and that sounds amazing for

a puppy. I think, too, it's been fun to watch his other counterpart Austin now in therapy. So it's just, it's different roads. Yeah. Yeah. They've gone on, they have different paths. I feel like that environment down there. We spent some time in Charleston. It's just like it's kind of like a crazy environment. I spent time in Charleston. I don't even know if it's a more of themselves. You don't have to like maybe grow up as much maybe in some ways.

There's so many, there's so many more women than there are men. And it's such a college town that people end up just like staying from college. So I feel like they don't ever leave that like collegey mindset because they're still living in the same city. Like because Craig went to college there and he's been there ever since. And so, yeah, their nightlife is definitely a little, a little more juvenile than like going out in New York City or going out in L.A. Yeah. It's been fun to see it through your eyes.

Yeah. That's all I'll say. Page, where can everyone find you? Pimp yourself out. Tell us where we can buy what you're doing, see what you're doing on Amazon. Give us all the things. Okay, so Giggly Squad's out every Tuesday, wherever you listen to your podcast. And then my Instagram and TikTok is just at Page DeSorbo.

And then I have new Amazon lives. week. Paige, thank you for coming on. Next time you come on, I'm manifesting that you come on with Craig. Yes. Or with Hannah. Either one. And you guys, we can do like a little round table.

They fight with each other because Hannah's my boyfriend. They can rock paper, scissors for it. Hannah's my husband. Craig is my boyfriend. I love it. Love it. Thanks for coming on. Thank Paige.

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