The Bossticks - Paul Saladino Tells All: Modern Health Myths, How To Detox The Right Way, & The Truth About Tylenol

Starting point is 00:00:00 The following podcast is a dear media production. She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire. Fantastic. And he's a serial entrepreneur. A very smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you along for the ride. Get ready for some major realness. Welcome to the skinny confidential, him and her.

Starting point is 00:00:23 What is your vision for when you do have kids? Oh, okay. So I moved to Costa Rica about four years ago. And the vision really crystallized when I got to Costa Rica because the vision is like barefoot, wild, feral kids, probably homeschooled or unschooled, mostly in nature, running around surfing, interacting with the land. Like, that's the vision for having kids. And then in the home, it's clean stuff, right? So limited exposure to technology. I don't think that's good for kids' brains.

Starting point is 00:00:56 I don't think flickering lights are good for kids' brains. I don't think blue light is good for kids' brains. natural fabrics around them. You and I actually talked about this offline, that plastic blanket that you had, the like the microfiber blanket that I was like, that's made of plastic, Lauren. So like natural fabrics. And then obviously high quality animal and plant foods for kids that are minimally processed or unprocessed. Whenever I see items being removed from the house or being donated, I'm like, do you talk to Paul again? So this is what happened. I text you and said, hey, this is my favorite blanket brand. Is this okay? And I was really hoping that you were going to say, Lauren, and you were such a good mother. This is the right choice. You were like, ew, immediately delete.

Starting point is 00:01:36 Do you want your kids breathing in polyester all night? And so I immediately found a new blanket brand, which I will shout out. It's called Simply Organic Bamboo. Cool. And it's bamboo blankets and I put it through the Paul Saladino test.

Starting point is 00:01:49 And it's good. Yeah. Because the previous blanket, like, when I was growing up, I had fleece. You know, I used to be backcountry skiing and stuff a lot. You wear all this polyester. But there's like these microfiber polyester

Starting point is 00:01:59 plastic blankets on they're very soft. They feel good, but you're around polyester. And so you're just aerosolizing polyester. You're putting it in the air of your house when you put the thing in the dryer. Your kids are like, you know, touching it and licking their hands. It's just a huge exposure to plastic from these blankets. I gave my polyester blankets to my dogs. Is that abusive? Probably fine. But they're braving in polyester. Yeah, that's what the, but do you haven't seen every night? They have the gray blankets. Those are the polyester ones. No, we can't have them on polyester. We got to upgrade them. See, look, he's being psychotic. too. Dogs are part of the family too.

Starting point is 00:02:31 They're part of the... Wait, so if someone's wearing polyester leggings and they're wearing it without underwear, aka me, what's happening? So, and sports bras, right? So if you're wearing it, like

Starting point is 00:02:45 when you're podcasting right now, not as big a deal as when you work out. So there's evidence that when you sweat in these things and you heat your body temperature, there's more absorption of chemicals that are in those products. And every product's a little different. Like all the manufacturers and every product, every fabric's going to be formulated a little differently. Some of them do have

Starting point is 00:03:03 PFA, so these are these forever chemicals or other sort of moisture wicking compounds in them. It's just like chemistry lab Frankenstein stuff, right? And that stuff can go through your skin into your body, but more when you're sweating. So, atleisure, you're walking around town, it's not the biggest problem. It's more, the absorption is more when you're sweating. And it can be in the breast tissue or in like the tissue of your hips, your legs, or I mean, I mean, we're talking about like pretty absorbent mucosa outside of the vagina too. So it's like there's potential for absorption there. I think it's also important as a mother to look at the underwear that your girls and your boy are wearing. Oh, absolutely. I think that's really an important thing to look at. Would you

Starting point is 00:03:44 recommend 100% cotton? Cotton, wool. Wool is actually pretty comfortable. Whenever I say wool underwear, they think, oh, it's scratchy, it's hot. Wool is a great fabric. Linen? Linen. I don't even know they made linen underwear, but yeah. You love linen against your balls. You talk like it all the time. I like a good linen. I like a good linen. It breeds. It's hot. It's hot. I've heard people say this. This is totally woo. I have no scientific backing for this, but linen has like a high vibration. They say supposedly. Listen, it's good. Cashmere does too. I love cashmere. Okay, here's the thing. We're going to go down 18 rabbit holes with you as usual. We're going to dive in. I think it's so interesting talking to you. And I can't, is this a third or fourth time you've been on? I don't know. But it's been a few, okay, we've done this for a few years now. And I think it's interesting watching you. I love to follow you for many reasons. But what I imagine is interesting for you personally is a lot of the stuff that you came out with early that you were catching a lot of flack for has now become very mainstream and people, oh, eating meat could be a good thing. Introducing collagen is a good thing. Getting rid of these harmful toxic cleaning supplies, getting rid of fragrances, like all this stuff that people gave you a lot of shit for. Seed oils early on. You've now been vindicated, validated unless now many people are sleeping in a rock. What does that like for you now as you've kind of come out, some of the other end? and are now kind of being, I guess, validated in a lot of ways. Well, it's funny because then you get interested in new things,

Starting point is 00:05:05 which are now outside of the Overton window. Tell us about it. Tell us. So there's all the new stuff. Which we're going to talk about. Yeah, but I mean, the old stuff, like, you've... It's cool. I mean, I'm glad people are finding benefit in that stuff.

Starting point is 00:05:19 And I think that's the way it probably works, is that a couple people talk about it, people hear about it, there's dissension, people try it, enough people find benefit. you get this sort of organic groundswell at like a grassroots level. People are like, holy moly, this actually works. I feel better eating more meat. I feel better eating organs.

Starting point is 00:05:36 I feel good eating collagen, cutting these things out like seed oils. I feel better. Maybe this guy's on to something and people start to kind of get this. Like it's actually just an organic confirmation in their own lives. Because I can say, hey, there's this randomized controlled trial in humans or animals. There's this mechanistic data. But that doesn't mean much to most of us. It's just maybe an impetus to say, try it and see how you feel.

Starting point is 00:05:58 and then you actually understand how much of an impact this has on your life. So that's really cool. And yeah, you keep, you keep learning and evolving and moving outside. I was just thinking, like, I read a lot of history. I'm just interested in it as, you know, just sort of study it. And I was thinking like if we were, if we were to go back 100 years and be talking or like 200 years and be talking to a lot of the people then about the stuff that we're just, they'd be looking at it's like, yeah, of course, like, duh. Like, of course you'd eat these things. Of course, you wouldn't want those things. Of course, like, like milk is, it's not, There's no such thing as raw milk. It's just milk. What you're drinking is pasteurized milk, which is not, you know, like that's the actual

Starting point is 00:06:31 like the process that takes the milk, not being milk. Yeah. And they would look at you like you were strange and you wouldn't really have to convince those people. But I think what happens to people of our generation is we've been used to these practices for so long that it's like getting back to what's normal and what's nature is sometimes alarming for us. But it's what we were doing 100, 200, 500, 10,000 years ago.

Starting point is 00:06:55 So. Normally. Yeah, yeah, in daily life. That actually, so let's talk about it. We can talk about it now or let's talk about it later in the show if you want. I want to talk about raw milk and exosomes. This is super interesting because that made me think of that because that's interesting. And raw milk, relative risk of raw milk versus like other foods.

Starting point is 00:07:11 Can we just wrap on raw milk? And by the way, we'll just say we've been living in Austin now for almost four or five years. And that's all we've drank is raw. We don't have any other milk besides raw milk. We get it from a good source, reputable farm. Kids drink it. We drink it. Feel great.

Starting point is 00:07:24 Got issues gone. You're the one that told me about the farm. Yeah. Oh, amazing. Yeah. They're great. But Richardson, please hold my order. Do not sell me up.

Starting point is 00:07:32 Okay. So raw milk, like the raw milk rabbit hole is fascinating. We don't have to go too far down this, but a couple of things. So the first thing people need to know about raw milk is that any raw food, whether it's sushi, your salad, or raw milk has the risk of contamination and can get you sick. But when I had this piece of content that we haven't released yet, so you guys are getting the scoop here, if you actually look at the data, and this is going to sound crazy, but it's true, and we've confirmed it, and I've done all the math.

Starting point is 00:07:59 Eating a salad with raw spinach or lettuce is 274 times more dangerous from an infectious disease standpoint than drinking raw milk. Paul, when you put out that piece of content on the internet, text me the next day and let me know how that goes for you in the peanut gallery. It's going to be crazy, but that's the math. Like 274 times, not twice or 10 or 5 or 50, 274 times more likely to get sick eating a salad than you are raw milk. This isn't to say nobody's ever gone.

Starting point is 00:08:27 And where you're pulling that data from? You can, so it's complex data, right? So you can look at the number of illnesses that people get every year from drinking raw milk and the number of illnesses people get every year from salads. There are over, I think it's 2.3 million people get sick from eating salad every year. This is, this is CDC data. So it's not to say like the salad or the leaf is the contaminants to say the things that are on it or the way people handle it.

Starting point is 00:08:52 The spraying of the leaf, right? And that leaves have water and they're sprayed with. with water that's not potable or water that has fecal material and it's not washed fully and it just holds the in all of the, in all of the sort of folds of the leaf. And it's a dangerous thing. But spinach is legal, right? Lettuce is legal. And I'm not saying they should be illegal unless we get tongue in cheek about it. But it's pretty funny when you think about it. Like 2.3 million people are sick every year from the CDC from leafy greens. That's crazy. Why do you think people are so sensitive about their milk source. You mean in terms why raw milk is so controversial? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:09:28 It's become a political issue. It's become a political issue. So, which is crazy to think that meat is political or milk is political. These are foods, right? These are foods that humans have eaten for thousands and thousands of years. But for whatever reason, because I get associated with the right, I mean, I don't agree with everything the right says. I don't agree with everything the left says. I don't think of myself as political. I think of myself as health focused. And suddenly health became political. But raw milk has now become a right wing thing. No, I tell people all the time, we've been doing this show for a decade now, long time, you know, in terms of like in how long these shows go. And anyone that's been listening to us for a decade would say, hey, that's like a health conscious show that talks about health topics.

Starting point is 00:10:10 And these people are obviously focused on like delivering, you know, new age health information to the, like that's what we, this was never a left, right thing for us. We've just been interested in taking care of ourselves the best way we can for as long as we can and now interested in sharing that information, not only with ours, but our family, our friends, our kids. And I think one of the most frustrating things for me personally, and maybe Lauren as well, I don't want to speak for doing this show. The last like four or five years is like somehow health has become a left-right issue. And I'm like, no, I just want to know how to live the longest health as way possible. And whoever has that best information, that's who I'm talking to.

Starting point is 00:10:47 I don't understand it. It's crazy. And so with the raw milk stuff, people will say, why are you drinking milk that has the potential to have bacteria in it or a higher, you know, rate of bacterial contamination when there's no benefits? And I recently came across something. There is actual real data showing that raw milk contains exosomes. So we were talking offline about exosomes. This is kind of related to stem cells peripherally. Exosomes are these membrane bound vesicles that cells of our body secrete that probably have signaling capability across species. And so there are extracellular vesicles, EVs, exosomes, in milk. And this is wild. So, and they are probably degraded as part of the pasteurization process,

Starting point is 00:11:28 at least partially. So when you're looking at raw milk, there's actual data, and I've talked about this in the past, kids that grow up on farms or off farms drinking raw milk versus pasteurized milk. So the raw milk kids have lower rates of asthma, exomone allergy. And there, and so that the reason to think about raw milk is, is it a uniquely health-promoting food in humans versus pasteurized milk? Some studies would suggest yes, and now there's a potential mechanism coming back to exosomes, which is germane to our previous conversation. Wild. That's amazing that there's exosomes in it. I took my placenta, shipped it across the country after I had it. A doctor took axisomes out of the placenta, put it in syringes and IVs, and then took it back to me and stuck a needle in my arm,

Starting point is 00:12:19 put the IV in it, and then stuck the exosomes in my face and my hairline. And it was fucking amazing. How do you feel? I feel great. And also I can, I can see my skin. Like, it had like a different texture afterwards. And also, like, I swear to God, I can see little hairs. Like, like, I don't know if it, like activated it. But I think exosomes are about to blow the fuck up. It's really interesting stuff. So again, they're membrane-bound vesicles. They contain microRNA, which is different than messenger RNA. MicroRNA is something that hasn't been studied that much, but it does occur in foods. And raw milk, the milk discovery of exosomes containing these microRNAs is pretty groundbreaking. But yeah, these microRNAs in the exosomes probably act as like a signaling molecule within our

Starting point is 00:13:07 body, potentially a blueprint to allow ourselves to regenerate. If you give the cell across the body, all these different differentiated cells, you give them a blueprint to sort of heal and regenerate with this microRNA. That's pretty cool. And you see it. Exosomes from the right sources are being used successfully in almost every part of the body. They're being used in trials now for ARDS. Remember during COVID? So acute respiratory distress syndrome. There's a company here in Austin in phase three trials with the They're the only company doing this in ARDS. So they can give in this trial, this is a human trial, phase three. They'll give people with ARDS, which isn't as common now because it's not a COVID, you know, time.

Starting point is 00:13:49 But you get it from the flu. You can get it from all sorts of respiratory things. You give them the exosomes, this EV, and within a minute, it goes away. If the exosomes, what kind of exosomes are we talking? Like ones from your own body? What does that mean? These are bone marrow derived exosomes. Yours were perinatal, placental derived.

Starting point is 00:14:06 But yeah, these are bone marrow derived exosomes that have been amplified. This company is doing it. But it's interesting the application that can be injected into joints to heal cartilage potentially. They can potentially be injected at the hairline to help with hair regrowth or to... The doctor who did it to me injected it into my vagina. Okay. They said that they want to inject it into Michael's penis and then it keeps you hard. Great.

Starting point is 00:14:30 I mean, after birth, there's a lot of trauma to the vaginal canal, right? Like, of course you'd want to heal that. That's what he said. Yeah. Like, this is the best way to heal it. But basically, we did a whole episode on this that people should listen to it. And he was just saying like it essentially helps this like if you want to almost reverse time in a way.

Starting point is 00:14:48 Like it basically like takes the clock back. It looks like that. And I think in the next few years, we're going to see a lot of interest here. Who knew that you'd be getting my vagina that I had when I was 20? Who knew that instead of getting a 40 year old dick, you might get a 30 year old one. You never know. You never know. Like, oh, God.

Starting point is 00:15:05 We can only wish. Okay, speaking of political issues, Paul, am I allowed to take Tylenol or what the hell is going on? What's going on? What's going on with the Tylenol? I didn't have Tylenol being political on my bingo card, but here we are. Oh, my God. So there was a study that came out of Harvard,

Starting point is 00:15:21 and the Harvard researcher made a statement in the study that it looked like there was a significant association between Tylenol use in pregnancy and the increase of autism. And then Trump said something about it. They got misquoted. you know, Marty McCary from the FDA said stuff. And so it's like he said, she said. But if you look at the data and you look at the mechanisms, Tylenol is probably not good for you

Starting point is 00:15:43 when you're pregnant or when you're not pregnant, even for men, right? So there's a metabolite of Tylenol called NAPQ, which is very harmful and it damages our body at the level of the liver. It uses up glutathione. It's a very oxidatively stressful metabolite. This is why people, I mean,

Starting point is 00:16:00 you can commit suicide with Tylenol, and it's the worst death. I saw this throughout my residence. and training, you can overdose with Tylenol. And if you, there's a chart in the emergency rooms based on how much Tylenol somebody's taken and how long it takes them to get to the emergency room or the hospital. And at some point, the chart just goes red. You're like, okay, if they take in this much Tylenol, they waited this long, your liver

Starting point is 00:16:19 is just fried, you're going to die. Or you're going to need a liver transplant. But if you can get them an acetylcyne, NAC, which you're talking about, but keep going. Mucomist. In time, you can try and reverse that. But people need to understand that Tylenol is acetylaminophin. In contrast to ibuprofen or these non-steroidal anti-inflammatories, they have different mechanisms in the body.

Starting point is 00:16:39 Like an adil or a Bayer is like an is ibuprofen. Yeah. Some Bayer's aspirin. Okay. So that's different. But they have different mechanisms in terms of pain relief. But at the level of the liver, Tylenol is very bad for glutathione stores. Glutothion is this master antioxidant.

Starting point is 00:16:54 So when you take Tylenol, you are significantly negatively affecting your body's glutathione. Temporarily. But in pregnancy, there are major potential. consequences for that. So I think that this is not the first time we've seen this association. There are multiple studies in the past that have shown the same thing. And so I think, again, it essentially takes the glutathion levels down to places where they're not optimal. And then if you're not getting a master antioxidant, you can potentially have complications. Complications. It hurts the development. But men can have the same, like not for obviously can't be pregnant.

Starting point is 00:17:24 Men cannot be pregnant. Let me just say that clearly. Thanks for clarified. I got a clear. You never know these days. Men, too, like this is why you don't drink alcohol intake. Tylololol. Because Yeah, you can get... One time when I was 21, I was really hungover. I woke up. I took a Tylenol. And my liver, like, literally started to hurt. Really?

Starting point is 00:17:43 And I never took it again because it scared me. It's not a great thing. We think of it as benign because it's not an ibuprofen, but Tylenol is a... Cedaminopin is a pretty nasty compound. And I think it doesn't really deserve a place in anybody's pharmacy. And you saw that online, there were women, again, to your point, there were women taking Tylenol as a political statement.

Starting point is 00:18:05 There were pregnant women filming themselves, taking Tylenol saying, F you, Trump, I'm taking Tylenol. Because I believe in science. And of course, they've never read an abstract. To me, that's an insane behavior that you would take anything that could potentially harm your body for any kind of, like, I don't think, I don't see who wins there.

Starting point is 00:18:21 It's not like you, like, I don't think it proves anything other than you're a lunatic. But I think for the majority of this audience that aren't lunatics, like people just want to know, like, when is it safe to take time? Tylenol, if it is, and for me, if I get a headache, I will once in a while, I get my whole life get bad headaches. I try to do all the normal things first, you know, magnesium and maybe some co-cutin, like all the things. But sometimes I do need to take an ibuprofen. I usually take the ad bill. When is Tylenol appropriate or does it have a place or do you think it does not?

Starting point is 00:18:50 It's all sort of give and take, right? One of the reasons Tylenol traditionally has been thought of as safer in pregnancy is that if you take the ibuprofen, it can be problematic for the baby because of the ductus and the heart. So there's a connection between the top chambers of the heart and the baby. And at certain times in the pregnancy, if you take ibuprofen, you can close that too early. Or, you know, if you sort of shut off the production of prostate glandins and humans. So there are some contraindications in pregnancy to the other type of pain relievers. So we think, oh, maybe acetaminophen is better.

Starting point is 00:19:18 But now we have these glutathione potential complications, maybe a linked to autism, oxidative stress. So I think that pregnancy is a unique situation, right? For a non-pregnant female or a non-pregnant male, okay, for a non-pregnant female or a male. I'm sorry, man. You're not going to be pregnant. For a non-pregnant female or a male, Tylenol every once in a while is going to hurt you. It's not going to kill you.

Starting point is 00:19:40 It's definitely going to negatively affect glutathione stores in your liver. But what you can do then is if you need to take Tylenol for a headache or something, you can also take an acetyl cysteine or some sort of precursors to glutathione. So we have young age kids that go to school. Yeah. Whenever they start going back to school, I'm taking a bunch of NAC because I want to boost my immune.

Starting point is 00:20:01 system and I think, but I don't have a really good explanation as to why I'm doing it other than like I know when I start doing it, I just don't get sick. Is there any, is there, is that, is there anything based in reality on that? And that's what he's talking about, this n-cidalcysteine. So there are, there's glutathione is a three amino acid peptide. And one of those amino acids is cysteine. And the rate limiting step in the formation of glutathione is the formation of n-acetyl-sysine. So on the cysteine, cystine is an amino acid and there's a, there's a nitrogen residue, and you put an acetyl group on the nitrogen on the cysteine, and that's n acetyl cysteine. So we're getting into organic chemistry here. Okay. So it's an acetyl cysteine. That's the rate limiting step in glutathione production is that molecule. So it's been well studied. That is the molecule that we give for Tylenol toxicity in emergency situations in medicine, because when you give n-acetyl cysteine, you will increase your glutathione stores provided most people have the other required amino acids and enough B6 and cofactors to make glutathione. Giving someone glutathione orally has always

Starting point is 00:21:09 been tricky because it's not well absorbed and it gets kind of broken down in the stomach. There are some preparations that maybe do it like a liposomal or there are other types of, you know, there's s acetyl glutathione. Maybe that has better absorption than regular glutathione. But regular glutathione taken orally doesn't seem to be as effective. So an acetyl cysteine can, can increase glutathione stores. And so the potential mechanism here is, you're looking at an antioxidant, right? So you're looking at the balance of oxidation

Starting point is 00:21:39 and reduction in the body. We're talking about the movement of electrons. Can oxidative stress or an imbalance of oxidation overpowering reduction cause immune issues? Yeah, sure. So that would be the mechanism. Is glutathione linked to the immune system? Indirectly, indirectly linked to the immune system.

Starting point is 00:21:56 Not directly. You're not directly sort of augmenting your immune system, but indirectly you are supporting your antioxidant defense system at the level of glutathione in the liver. So it's a reasonable thing. Like anything, there are boundaries and you can take too much. So it is, though, if somebody were to take Tylenol or if the glutathion levels were depleted and they were to supplement with NAC, that's a good strategy to kind of help boost back back. It's a very reasonable strategy.

Starting point is 00:22:21 You always have to kind of wind back the clock and think, why is my glutathione low in the first place? Why is that for most people? I mean, could be heavy metals. Could be other oxidative stress in your life, smoking, marijuana, alcohol. There are lots of toxins in our environment that can cause oxidative stress. If you were told today that you had heavy metals in your blood, what are some things that you would do immediately? So this is a great question. I think a lot about heavy metals.

Starting point is 00:22:50 We're talking about lead, mercury, cadmium, and arsenic primarily. There's a lot of heavy metals, but those are the big four. lead is often in drinking water or other water, mercury fish and vaccines and stuff. Cadmium, seafood, bottom dwellers, other things can have cadmium. Cadmium can be kind of high in chocolate. Arsenic water, rice is a big contamination of arsenic. So if you can get a blood test for metals, right? You can get serum levels of mercury, cadmium lead and arsenic.

Starting point is 00:23:19 That's a great place to start. If those are high, the first place you look is diet. So if you rank like human exposures to heavy metals, you might think about where we're getting exposed in terms of the food chain first. And some of the biggest exposures, unfortunately, are seafood, followed by things like chocolate, which can have significant levels of heavy metals. Rice is a big one. And potentially, this is again, we're controversial here, potentially vaccines in terms of aluminum and thimerosol, which are another removing. So it's, there are a lot of places in our life where we get them. So if you have high levels of heavy metals, the first thing you do is you look at your diet. That's mostly where we're getting

Starting point is 00:23:58 them, unless you live next to a smelting plant in the Midwest or somewhere. And you can flush them out by like sauna, right, in binders. Some sauna, some may come out in the sweat. It's not clear that all of them come out in the sweat, but there is research with multiple heavy metals that they can be excreted in the sweat at levels above what you see in the serum. So some of them can come out through the sweat. Some binders, maybe, the thing about binders that's tricky is, depending on the binder you use, whether it's clorella, right, or cilantro, these are gentle binders. There are more, there are more intense binders like DMSA or something that can pull out the wrong things, right? So they're going to chelate the heavy metals, but they're also going to

Starting point is 00:24:40 keylate other minerals you want. So EDTA, DMSO, those are like pharmaceutical level binders that we use. So when a kid, you know, gets lead poisoning, they're given EDTA. and that pulls the let out. So there are ways to do this. You just have to be careful at the level that you're actually keylating the metals out. This is actually something we were talking about before the podcast.

Starting point is 00:24:59 Hopefully in the future, we're going to get more methods of detoxification available to us. There's a procedure that I actually went to Spain to get. We don't have to talk about this too much because it's kind of granular. It's called inesphoresis. And have you guys heard about this TPE,

Starting point is 00:25:14 like total plasma exchange? So like Brian Johnson posted a picture of the bag of his plasma on X, like 20 million impressions. The problem with TPE, like people are paying $10,000 a session for TPE now. The problem with TPE is that you're getting a donor plasma. So they're taking blood. They're separating. I don't want that.

Starting point is 00:25:34 They're separating red cells from plasma, and they're giving you donor plasma. And you don't know whose donor plasma you're getting, right? So there's a procedure that's been done in Europe, and hopefully it'll come to the U.S. in 2026 through FDA approval called inisphoresis, where you pull the blood out, you separate the red in the plasma, then you run the plasma through a very sort of high, high density filter, and it can filter out larger proteins, which are often bound to heavy metals. And that is probably a great way to get rid of heavy metals once it's available in the U.S. if sauna, dietary change, gentle binders don't work. For most people, you'll see the levels of heavy metals drop significantly

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Starting point is 00:29:53 metabolism, vitamins, minerals. It really scans for so many things. There's like thousands of different diseases and it helps you close in on that brain fog or low energy that you might be experiencing. I think this is really valuable and I like that it's not a bunch of blood being taken. It's just one draw. You get a personalized action plan based on your results all laid out in their app plus access to own dedicated medical team and they help to guide you through what to do next. It's literally the same level of insight pro athletes get, but the price is accessible. So superpower used to cost $499, but it's just $199 for the full experience now. That's a fraction of what others charge. Sometimes they charge like 500 or a thousand, sometimes even more. It's crazy because you can track your steps, your screen time,

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Starting point is 00:33:05 Yeah. Well, okay. If you start icing your balls in the sauna, like with that creepy hat that you wear, what do you mean? I have to sit next to him with his balls and ice. Well, explain why, because I was like, but here's the thing. I'm trying to kind of pump the brakes on the kid factory for a second here. I don't think that you want to, my concern is this.

Starting point is 00:33:26 So there's data in humans, pretty clear data, that sauna level heat will negatively impact fertility. If you stop the son. In men and women or just in men? In men primarily. The ovaries are a little more insulated, right? So they don't raise to the same temperature. The balls are just hanging out there. And men will know this, women may or may not know this.

Starting point is 00:33:44 The scrotum has muscles that raise and lower the test. based on the temperature of your environment, because the testicles are ideally... Paul, we know this. Supposed to work. All women know this. Supposed to work at a temperature that's a little below body temperature, right? So, you know, when men are cold, the testicles go up,

Starting point is 00:33:59 when they're warm, the testicles go down. If you sit in the sauna, it's 200 degrees, you can't... Everyone's just in there long balling up. Yeah, they're long ball in. You can't go anywhere. The testicles can't long ball out the door of the sauna. I'm so happy I don't have balls. So, but it's pretty, there's pretty clear evidence in humans

Starting point is 00:34:15 that when you do that, you will impact fertility. It seems to recover in about six weeks, not permanent. But my concern is, okay, if you're impacting spermatogenesis, could you also impact sex hormone production or other things, which all men, whether they want to have kids or not, care about, right? So you want, you want libido, you want, you know, musculature, you want mental clarity, you want sleep, you want regeneration.

Starting point is 00:34:36 All these things are connected with hormonal health too. I have trouble believing that spermatogenesis and hormonal health are completely siloed, right? So I think that as a man, I mean, there are other places in your brain, body where you make male hormones other than testicles, but the testicles are really, and the ovaries and women, correspondingly, this is kind of like one of the most important places where you make sex hormones. I'm not trying to cook them. So in practicality, if I need to go in there and keep the balls on ice, you're not going to them like, what are you doing? What are you putting them in? This is where the men out there. People need to know this. What do you? You could just get an ice pack. Just an ice pack. Just put it on there

Starting point is 00:35:09 in the, yeah. Wait, so you're icing your balls because you do want more kids right away or you don't. No, no, you're iced the balls so the rest of the body can still heat, but without impact, without overheating the balls and causing... Oh, so you're assuming after three months when I just had a baby that we're going to have another baby? No, no, no. I was saying like maybe I should overheat him for a minute, but now I don't want to ruin my sex drive. The potential, what I was saying is I have trouble believing that you can have spermatogenesis and sex hormone production completely separate, right?

Starting point is 00:35:34 Got it. I'm worried that if you're negatively affecting spermatogenesis, you could also negatively affect sex hormones. And men want sex hormones all the time. But a lot of men already know out there that, like, if you're getting ready to try to appropriate, like you want to do more cold, not heat, right? Yeah, you want to do more cold, not heat, or you want to ice the balls. So, I mean, and then, you know, it's pretty clear that when you Carson, did you write this down? Make sure you write it down. You're going to need this information later,

Starting point is 00:35:56 okay? Yeah. What is the best, this is a random question that I've been dying to text you, and I'll just ask you on air. What is the best bottled water to drink? Okay, so it's pending. There's an asterisk here. I will tell you in a couple weeks, because there was a recent hubub about Mountain Valley, right? There was arsenic, moderate levels of arsenic, heavy metal in Mountain Valley. So I don't know if you know this. I built a nonprofit called ABNRF, Animal-Based Nutrition Research Foundation a couple years ago. Mostly ABNRF handles like our community gatherings and stuff in Costa Rica, but one of the things we started doing this year with ABNRF was doing testing of consumer goods. So we tested all the salts again. Do you remember the momavation thing that came out with the heavy

Starting point is 00:36:38 metals and salts? So we redid that whole analysis and I'll tell you what we found and we're testing the waters right now. So what we have to confirm is the arsenic levels in Mountain Valley and then see if Saratoga or Icelandic have heavy metals and I'll tell you. So what are you drinking right now? Saratoga. So am I. I have no association. So you know why I'm drinking it? Why? I just love the bottle how it looks on my nightstand. It's so beautiful. We'll get into collagen and stuff, but there's, it's all kind of connected, right? There are some waters with more of certain nutrients like orthosolic acid, so silicone, that can support skin health. There are other nutrients and food that we need to support skin health, but pending data on

Starting point is 00:37:22 bottled water. We always talked to the guests before and said like what's, you know, Paul's been on multiple times, what's interesting, what's new. I want to talk about this new thing you've been discussing about headphones and thyroid issues. Years ago, we used to wear headphones on this show. We don't anymore. I used to wear the Bluetooth things, don't anymore.

Starting point is 00:37:39 I only wear wired headphones in now. I use like the thing we plug in the phone and, you know. Thank God. You got him off that because you know what I do. I told him all this information like two years ago and he didn't listen. So I kept sending him your content. And then you switched. My big thing with all of this stuff. Like as I, you know, I'm usually, I don't want to say I'm skeptic. I've been enlightened over the years. But I always say like. You're open. But my whole thing is like if there's a product that works just as well and there is potentially no downside, then why not do that? So for me it's like I have these wired headphones. They're just Amazon products. Nothing's fancy. And they're. And they're just. It works just as well. The convenience of wireless headphones is undeniable, but this is again the thing that was outside the Overton window. And now is kind of becoming in the Overton window. I saw other content about people moving away from the wireless headphones.

Starting point is 00:38:29 But for the longest time, when I talked about AirPods or the, you know, whatever, the super AirPods, the headphones, people would really push back. And still some people do. But a recent analysis came out. Again, this is just epidemiology. but there is a strong association, or at least a significant association, between these Bluetooth headphone use. So we're talking AirPods, beats, whatever, wireless. Anything with Bluetooth connection.

Starting point is 00:38:52 Yeah, wireless headphones and increased incidence of thyroid nodules. So this is really important for both men and women. The thyroid is kind of your master gland, or one of these master thermo-regulatory glands in your body, and thyroid nodules can be pre-cancerous. And so this is interesting, and I think it deserves more research. we don't have the full story here, but it makes sense, right? You have proximity. You have a very sensitive, hormonally active gland in your neck and inches away from that you are using a RF EMF, so radio frequency EMF emitting device. And I can measure this. You know, I've done multiple pieces of content where you can put an RF meter. It's the kind of thing that looks really geeky, but you can

Starting point is 00:39:33 get these meters and you can see how much radio frequency EMF is coming off of these earbuds. And it's it's essentially like a small microwave in your head for how many hours a day like three four two six i see people walking around with them in the airports just all the time but you can take like basically so the measurement of these air pods or these these headphones is in micro watts per meter squared you can measure the exact same thing out of your microwave the rf band of a microwave is essentially the same as your cell phone the same as these Bluetooth bands so it's it's a small microwave in your head. And you can measure, you can take this device and put it next to your microwave and you'll get a huge reading. And it's not as much as a microwave, but it's, it's,

Starting point is 00:40:16 it's in the same ballpark. I mean, I won't put the cell phone to my ear. You shouldn't. I, so I just don't know why I would put these little buds in my ear all day long. It just feels, it feels like my, innately, I feel like spidery about it. I, I've gone back to like Apple 1.0 where you have the thing plugged in and you have the wired headphones and you're talking in conversation that way. And to be honest, like I like it. It feels nostalgic to me.

Starting point is 00:40:43 It's, I think it's probably, it's definitely more prudent and I think it's probably safer long term. I think the reason, though, that you get pushed back is there's, one, a projection of people who have been doing it for so long that are maybe scared.

Starting point is 00:40:58 Or two, it's a fashion statement to wear, you know, green headphones from Apple. Like, I get it. Like, when those came out, I ran and got the olive ones and it would, they were so cute and adorable. And so you want to like have this fashion statement, but it's almost like they distract you from what it actually is. Here's the thing.

Starting point is 00:41:18 I'm not like a tin hat guy. You two definitely like are the tin hat people in this. I'm owning it. I'm fine with the tin hat. But I will say. Does it have EMF in it? I'm just kidding. It's blocks.

Starting point is 00:41:28 I'm like, I've got like half a tin hat on. But I will just say like we've been living through the last few years where like people. that are called crazy about sounding the alarm on some of these things get vindicated later. And so my whole thought process is like, I just don't want to be the first line of testing, right? I don't want to be the first guy that tries that like, and again, like, I don't, people do what they want. But my thing is like, if there's even a slight chance and there's an alternative that works just as well, but maybe it's not as quite as convenient, I'm going to, I'm just going to do that.

Starting point is 00:41:55 My daughter is so cute. She came home. She goes, mom, I need to confess something. She's five. I was like, what? She's like, today I wore headphones, but only for five. minutes. She's terrified. Well, you know, they're wired. She's like, they're wired. I'm like, you're okay. You asked. You asked her if they're wired. We've talked to her about it. No. But, you know, I mean, listen, I think, you know, we just had Jonathan Hyde on the podcast. I just keep saying this, because his big thing is like kids, screen time, social media, like you want some off it. Scary. And, you know, it's something that we have to, like, we have to just be, I think the first generation of parents that had children start to use a lot of these new technologies.

Starting point is 00:42:32 They didn't know there was no awareness. They had nobody ahead of them. that was able to teach him. And like that, that's a tough position to be in. And we, you know, we had a woman on right before you saying, you know,

Starting point is 00:42:40 I wish less with that. Like she was just saying like, if she looked back and change anything, very successful. And I think like it's the responsibility as you learn more as a parent to like, you know, guard your kids against things that they just, they don't know themselves,

Starting point is 00:42:51 you know, and just, and why, my whole thing is, you remember that old scene in, in casino back in the day, like the end of the Mark, or says he probably,

Starting point is 00:42:58 and they're going around at the end of the movie and they're, they're talking about who to whack. This is like a weird reference. Okay. And they're going around the table and they're like, oh, what about, I forget the guys. They're like, what about like Big Paul? And they're like, no, not Big Paul. He's a good guy.

Starting point is 00:43:11 And they're like, yeah, he's a good guy. He's like, oh, he's one of us. He gets to the last guy. He's like, yeah, he's a good guy. But why take a chance? But why I think about all this stuff? I'm like, why take a chance if there's better alternatives, right? But tell us about bacon.

Starting point is 00:43:22 Well, I love bacon. Paul, don't ruin bacon for me. Are you going to? No. So bacon's interesting. Oh, great. Bacon's interesting. This is why I don't text you some questions.

Starting point is 00:43:33 No, Saladino ruins everything. Like, Saladino ruins everything. Like, what's wrong with bacon? So there's probably nothing really wrong with bacon. It's an animal food, right? It's just that, you know, pigs and chickens are monogastric animals. When they eat higher levels of polyunsaturated fatty acids like linoleic acid in grains and their feet, they store it. What if you get it from the farmer's market?

Starting point is 00:43:57 So if you get a wild pig, like in the wild, pigs don't eat grains, right? Mostly now pigs are fed corn and soy and chickens are fed corn and soy. And so we can see a transition in the composition of the fatty acid, the fatty acid makeup of an egg yolk based on what a chicken is fed. And we can see a transition, we can see a change in the composition of the fat of a pig based on what the pig is fed. So if you're getting a pig and it's really pastured and it's mostly eating roots and it's not really being fed corn and soy, the amount of linoleic acid in the fat of that pig

Starting point is 00:44:30 is going to be probably lower than it is in most mainstream pigs. So a wild pig, maybe five or six percent of the fat is linoleic acid. Traditional conventional pigs and most pigs, even organic pigs that are fed corn and soy, 20, 25 percent linoleic acid. And so this gets a little technical, but it gets to this overarching question of how much of this fragile polyunsaturated fatty acid can humans handle without it negatively affecting our health. The biggest source of this fatty acid, linoleic acid, is seed oils, right? That's really my problem with seed oils, is that not only are they refined, bleached, and deodorized, when you eat seed oils, you are packing your body full of this fatty acid in historically unprecedented ways. And your body doesn't know what to do

Starting point is 00:45:16 with it. We store it. So you can sample someone's fat, and that fat is a direct reflection of your consumption of linoleic acid because we store polyunsaturated fats. We don't get rid of them the way we do. we have the ability to make and interconvert mono-unsaturated fats and saturated fats, but polyunsaturated fats we store. And so for how long or for, we will recycle them. There's a flux based on what we're eating, but they get stored in our fat. Knowing all the things that you know and what you do for a living, what are your pet peeves in the wild?

Starting point is 00:45:51 Like, for instance, when you get in a new bird and it smells like cologne, like give me like your pet peeves of the wild. that you just cannot do it. I posted this on X the other day. I got in an Uber in Miami, and I posted this selfie video, and I said, like, I just lost Uber roulette

Starting point is 00:46:08 because there were three, you know, trees. There were three Christmas trees hanging here. I'm in the backseat, and he hung them in the backseat. There was three on one side and one on the other and two on the rearview mirror, and I had the windows rolled down,

Starting point is 00:46:21 but I'm just, I just wanted to rip them off and throw them out of the car. Well, it looks like the Joker in the dark night that's going on. I go like this. I go, I go like this. I go. Like it's... Her heads out the side of the window. This is why I think it's invasive. It's like projecting someone scent onto other people. Do you know what I mean? Like when someone wears the strongest cologne in the world, it's like if you want to wear your cologne, wear your cologne, but don't make everyone around you suffer. And and cologne, I mean,

Starting point is 00:46:49 perfumes, colognes, fragrances, personal care products, these are full of these fragrances, these parabins, these phalates, they're clearly endocrine disrupting in humans, and when you're smelling them, they're going into your body. And so this is a study that I wanted to talk to you about. This is really interesting. And so we're talking about, this is a big thing. I don't want to circumvent your question about in the wild stuff.

Starting point is 00:47:11 But we have to talk about the study where they had women not use personal care products with these parabins and phalates for 30 days. And they saw not only decreased urinary levels of these endocrine disrupting chemicals, but changes in the breastings. tissue because these chemicals can be so hormone disrupting and estrogen mimicking that they can create pre-cancerous changes in the breast based on what you're putting on your face or your skin. That's crazy.

Starting point is 00:47:37 How do we test our products to see what's in it? So you have to read the label and the labels are so hard to read. I actually brought some and we can look at them, but the labels are so hard to read that I think that as a guy, I mean, maybe you're the same way. I don't understand half of what women use or 98% of what women use on their faces and stuff. I think that you just have to really at least start by looking for brands that are saying that they're natural, paraben-free, phalate-free. You don't want these compounds in your skin care products, like the lotions, the moisturizers. These are potentially pretty problematic for humans.

Starting point is 00:48:09 And so that's where to start. And then I think we can look at actual ingredients. Somebody actually says paraben or phalate on the label, fragrance is often a blanket term for these phalates. And so just like this Uber with this fragrance, these phalates spewing things, we are now putting these all. all over our bodies and like actually directly affecting our hormones negatively at the level of our glands and the level of our testicles or our ovaries at the level of our when women breast tissue that's hormonally active it's scary stuff we need to look into our product in the line on the wild i think a lot of people i mean listen what i would say is this you know we're getting into

Starting point is 00:48:46 some advanced stuff obviously got to listen to your first few episodes with us and some of the other work but for the people that are just trying to take care of their families and they're hearing this and they're scared of it. And they're getting ready to go in the grocery store to shop for a week. Where would you tell those people to start so that they don't feel overwhelmed? And give us exact. Like what you would. Like if someone's like, hey, they came to Paul and they're like, Paul, I want to like overhaul my life and I want to shop well for my family and myself. Like, where do you tell them to start? What do you tell them to avoid? So, I mean, a good resource. You could start with AnimalBase30.com, which is hardened soil, sort of like 30-day animal-based

Starting point is 00:49:17 challenge. A lot of resources there. And so I think that what you're going to learn in there is you just shop around the outside of the grocery store, right? And this sounds, this sounds trite, but it's true. Like, what's in the middle of the grocery store is dangerous hunting grounds for humans. Those are not the places you want to venture. So what are you picking up what you're at the grocery store? So I start in the outside. I go straight to the meat, right? And I'm looking for high quality meat. I mean, they're looking for generally I'm eating grass fed, grass finished beef. There's a new butcher in town in Austin. Have you guys seen Radius? No. I have no affiliation with them, but it's awesome. What's it called? Radius. Really, really cool butcher. So I want the highest quality

Starting point is 00:49:51 meat that I can get. I mean, maybe I'm just going to go to a butcher like that to get grass-fed, grass-finished beef, but I eat a lot of beef. And women especially, but all of us have been kind of sci-opt in the last 60, 70 years to fear red meat. But I know you've had incredible health improvements and stuff by eating more beef or at least more protein in your diet. So start there. Get high-quality animal foods, high-quality eggs, simple foods, single-ingredient foods to start. So meat, eggs. These have single ingredients. They don't even have a nutrition label. And And then when you're looking at things beyond that, you're like, okay, what about plant foods? Just get unprocessed plants.

Starting point is 00:50:27 Like if you want to get vegetables, great, get fruit, you really can't go wrong with meat, eggs, vegetables, and fruit. What's up with the pushback with eggs? I think, what do you mean? The cost of eggs or the... No, there's a whole pushback on eggs right now. I'm seeing it on Instagram. What?

Starting point is 00:50:41 It's exhausting. What do you mean pushback? It's on and on. You haven't seen it? I saw one guy go into a grocery store and look at where the eggs were coming from. No, there's a pushback on actually. Push back on what cost or like you shouldn't eat eggs. They're not healthy.

Starting point is 00:50:54 They're saying they're not healthy. Well, those people are a lunatic. Okay. That's, yeah, I don't understand it. If you tried to get me off eggs, I would just stop. I heard some people don't do it because of acne reasons. I love eggs. Like some people say that they can't have eggs because of acne.

Starting point is 00:51:06 There's a, there's a protein in the egg white called albumin. And the egg albumin, Ovoalbumin can be somewhat, it can be immunogenic in some people, but not others. And so milk can be the same way. I mean, I love raw milk. I drink a lot of raw milk. But there are some people that just can't drink milk. because it seems to not work for them, even raw milk, immunologically. And so people are very bio-individual.

Starting point is 00:51:26 When people say, like, if they said they don't like eggs or they don't eat eggs or whatever, but when people say eggs are bad for you, like, I take issue with that. That's insane. I don't know how they would justify that claim. I'm going to send you the clip. Yeah, please send me the clip. There's some of the most nutrient-dense foods you can have. I eat eggs every day, by the way.

Starting point is 00:51:41 I love eggs. Well, you think about what's in an egg, right? You've got coline, which is great for our brains. It's great for developing kids. It's pregnant mothers, postpartum, right? there's not a lot of coline in plant foods. You get coline in meat as well, but eggs are an incredible source of chlorine. Biotin, which is technically a B vitamin. That's good for skin health. Not a lot of great biotin sources in plant foods. You got folate, you got preformed vitamin A in the retinol

Starting point is 00:52:05 form. I mean, the list goes on and on. And the egg yolk is like so nutritionally rich, riboflavin. And it's a unique set of nutrients that are often a little bit hard to get other places. Not impossible always, but there's a lot of unique nutrients in egg yolk that are valuable for humans. One thing that I think has grown my hair like no other is organ meat and collagen and amino acid. Beef collagen. What is it? It's nose to tail collagen.

Starting point is 00:52:31 Yeah, this stuff. Yes. The lineage. Yeah. I hope. You know what? I forgot that. It's beef.

Starting point is 00:52:36 It's beef. It's beef collagen. Yeah. Okay. So is my theory, though, on how I grew my hair correct? Because my friends will text me and be like, Lauren, how do you grow your hair? And I'm like, it's organ meat. Amino acids.

Starting point is 00:52:48 and collagen, but there's amino acids in the collagen. But don't get rid of our supply, okay? I got your supply. Reserve us a few. Wait, but is that theory correct? Does it make sense to you? It makes total sense, and I'll tell you why. If you think about hair and skin, right?

Starting point is 00:53:05 What do you need to make collagen? So first of all, think about skin, right? You have the epidermis, the dermis and the hypodermis, the three layers. The dermis, so that second layer, is where all the collagen is. And in the dermis, you have fiberblasts. These are cells of your body that secrete collagen and they also secrete elastin and elastin-related peptides. So the epidermis is not really a lot of collagen, it's the dermis.

Starting point is 00:53:26 So how does the collagen get there? You have fibroblasts making the collagen. There's different types of collagen, type 1, type 3, type 5, type 6, type 2. But in order to make the collagen, there are certain nutrients you need to make these, make collagen. And the nutrients are vitamin C, zinc, copper, even creatine is helpful, and maybe a little bit of silica or like orthosolic acid. So you think, where do you get copper and zinc?

Starting point is 00:53:50 These are hugely bioavailable in organs. And organs are an incredible source of copper. Muscle meat, not a great source of copper. There's copper in mushrooms, but is it bioavailable? Like liver is an incredible source of copper. So what you're doing when you're eating like organs is you're getting unique nutrients, especially zinc and copper in highly bioavailable forms. And that gives your body sort of the cofactors needed to make the collagen.

Starting point is 00:54:13 Then you need amino acids because collagen, like glutathlethyans, like glutathione that we talked about earlier is a tripeptide. It's three amino acids, generally speaking, glycine, proline, hydroxyproline. And those three amino acids are found most richly in other collagenous tissues. So there is glycine in muscle meat, but there's more glycine in collagen. And we don't really take collagen undigested and incorporated into our body. We break it down in our stomach into smaller units than the full collagen molecule because collagen is a long chain. Collagen is actually a triple helix. It's like three molecules of this collagen wrapped around each other in an alpha helix. You know, DNA is kind of this helix, this double helix. Collagen is like a triple helix.

Starting point is 00:54:57 It's a really cool kind of fiber. And the way it works is when you break that fiber down into component amino acids, there are die peptides that survive. It's usually proline, hydroxyproline. So this is two amino acids. So that long strand of collagen gets broken down in your stomach, but that die peptide survives and that die peptide actually signals in your body, which is really cool. The same thing happens with elastin. There are elastin-related peptides that signal in your body, probably to the fibroblasts in the dermis, to make more collagen. So people will say, oh, you can't digest the collagen. You can't take collagen and make more collagen. Well, technically, no, but you're giving your body the raw materials. If you're eating organs, you're getting the

Starting point is 00:55:41 cofactors needed in the minerals and the nutrients. And the die peptides from the collagen breakdown actually signal to the cells in your dermis to make more collagen. So that's interesting. So actually consuming collagen probably can signal to cells to make more collagen in your body. It's pretty cool stuff. This episode is brought to you by Opil, the first over-the-counter daily birth control pill available in the U.S.

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Starting point is 01:00:18 I use it all day long. I use it in the morning. I use it to touch up my brows. I even use it at night. Why it's amazing is it's castor oil. Castor oil is what Egyptians used to use to grow their hair. And I added a peptide to it. So it's a little umph.

Starting point is 01:00:32 So many of these brow grow. serums on the market are melting the fat around the eyes, which is so crazy. And this one is just non-toxic. I use it while pregnant. And it just gives your brows this like glazed, useful look, almost like a feathered brow. It's so pretty. I caught Michael using it. That's how like clean it is. A guy can use it and it lifts your face. I use this after my skincare. So in the morning, I habit stack it onto all of my skin care. So I'll do everything. I'll put my caffeinated sunscreen on and then I'll just use the spoolie to go through my brows and brush them up. And like I said, it gives you like a wet lifted look. And then I also will use the little lash one. See how we have like a little lash situation at the bottom on top of

Starting point is 01:01:24 my lashes before I go to bed after my skincare. You can touch up your brows with this. I sometimes even will use brow pencil, my makeup artists use it. I think this is my favorite skinny confidential product. I'm very, very proud of this. And it works. It grows your brows because like I said, castor oil, Egyptians telling you, you got to try this. I have one in every purse. You can't go wrong. You can subscribe on our site, shop skinny confidential.com.com and it's delivered straight to your door. If you want to upgrade your beauty routine and upgrade your eyebrows and lift your face, you've got to try the skinny confidential's brow peptide. Because of the glycine, are you maybe better off taking this at night instead of the morning

Starting point is 01:02:08 before bed? People do. Yeah, glycine is one of these amino acids that is thought to be calming and maybe crossing the blood-brain barrier and affecting gaba. So the gaba receptors in the brain which affect alertness. What I do with this, this is what I do every morning, every single morning. I take two, sometimes three scoops of the nose to tail collagen every single morning. And then I put my electrolytes in it. I put a packet of vitamin C, a packet of elderberry from symbiotica, and I froth it up. And I drink that down before I have coffee. And that gives me a little bit of protein. It gives me an electrolyte. And it gives me some vitamins. And then I have my coffee after. It's great. I mean, you don't need electrolytes with this. This has a sea salt. And,

Starting point is 01:02:55 Overkill? Just a little. Sometimes I also put the heart and soil protein powder in that concoction too. That's great because then you're getting more of the raw materials because collagen again is mostly glycine-proline, hydroxyproline. But when you have the weight protein from heart and soil has a more full complement of amino acids, right? That's why I mix it in.

Starting point is 01:03:17 So collagen is not necessarily the protein you want to take if you want to build muscle. Got it. But it does have the precursors to make collagen and potentially the signaling molecules and the dipeptides. So if people don't know, lineage is a company that I co-founded. And I just, one of the things that we do with lineage is I wanted to make things like meat stacks or meat sticks or collagen better than what I saw out there because there's so much, there's just stuff that wasn't, it's like the way that we formulated, it makes so much sense.

Starting point is 01:03:41 So in that, we put beef collagen, but it's not just that, right? We also put eggshell membrane because the eggshell membrane has elastin. And then you have acerola berries to get the vitamin C, you have sea salt for absorption. And then it has trachea and scapula cartilage. in addition to the beef collagen to get type 2 collagen. Who turned you onto this? No, no, I love it. He came to me about his hair.

Starting point is 01:04:01 He was like, I want to grow my hair, blah, blah, blah. I was like, you came to the right place. I was like, two to three scripts of this. I love this stuff, but I was also turned on to the more complete protein in the amino acid formulas from other places as well. You can mix it together. I just, I've noticed a lot of women that I speak to in our lives are saying they're getting their protein with collagen.

Starting point is 01:04:21 And I always point out to them like that's, you don't want to, you don't want to, you You can tell better. You got to eat the meat. Yeah. Yeah. And I think this is. Because there's also a lot of bars coming out. They're like, oh, we use collagen. You can't. It's not going to get what you need. Not enough. So this is interesting. And, you know, this is exclusive here. I'm going to drop this on skinny confidential. So lineage is also coming out with a protein bar. And it's going to have weight protein and collagen in it. Smart. And we want to put a link in the show notes of the description if you want so that your audience can get the first access to the bar. Because it's coming out the beginning, like a little later this year, the beginning next year. But this is super. exciting because the protein bars out there are garbage and we want it to make a better protein bar. So we're going to make a protein bar with weight protein and collagen. And we'll put a link if you guys want in the description so people can access that like exclusively. Can they go shop the collagen I like with Code Skinny? Yeah, yeah, sure. Code skinny. What do they get off? I don't know off top of my head, but okay. You get a discount. Yeah, you get a discount. The one I like is the nose to tell collagen I, but I also don't sleep on the 60 grams of protein organ sticks that I

Starting point is 01:05:21 eat. Those organs, they're in my purse. Those organ sticks are everywhere. My kids eat them. That's how they get their organs. And I think of it like a little vitamin. It is. You know, and whether you get it with like fresh or you get it in the sticks, however, like we said, there are unique nutrients in organs that we often don't get like copper or peptides and things like this. But your point is well taken. Like the idea that you don't want collagen to be your main protein source. And if I could say one thing. Well, I see a lot of bars doing that and there were people thinking they're getting their protein and it's not. It's not complete. You want the other amino acids to go with it. And you also, like, if women just, and I think you are like the perfect poster child for this, Lauren,

Starting point is 01:06:01 if women ate more meat, they would just feel and look better. The nutrients that women need are in meat and there's been a sigh up against women to not eat meat. Well, listen, as her husband, it's funny, we've, she's adopted eating a lot more meat of the last, especially since we've moved to Texas and lifting weights. things in organs. And like I've been with her pretty much our whole life since I was 20 now and newer since we're 12. And I think like this is the healthiest she's been. I mean ever, right? Well, I have to lose 30 pounds right now. But I mean like, but still, beyond that. Like happy, healthy, all the things. And like the diet completely changed from when I think you were less happy

Starting point is 01:06:41 and healthy. I, I, everyone knows I eat a bowl of meat every single day. A bowl of meat. I love it. It's ancestral blend by force of nature. It has the organs in it. I have someone at my house that's incredible that cooks it up with some spicy salt and I just add whatever I feel like that day. And you can add sourcrown. You can add bright. You got all sorts of stuff. And listen, the bowl of meat. It keeps the hair growing. Keeps the collagen plump. Keeps the fertility strong. Keeps the fertility. You guys just making good babies in the world. I mean, you know, I just have to say this because I'm so appreciative that you came into the documentary. Yes. Tell us about that. People may not know this, but I made a movie. It's coming out later

Starting point is 01:07:22 this year. We're doing a film tour in December. Lauren is in it. I am. And you look amazing. And she tells her story in the movie. The movie is called Food for Humans. So hopefully when this podcast comes out, there will be tickets on presale at foodforhumans.com. But here's the deal. There's so much vegan propaganda out there. And I've met too many people in my life who said they went vegan because they saw a documentary. So I really felt like I wanted to tell the story of just how important animal foods are in the human diet and how we can really change fundamentally how healthy we are

Starting point is 01:07:55 and cure a lot of chronic illness just with what we eat in a documentary that says, hey, it's okay to include meat in that. And so that's what we did. I worked with a team out of Philadelphia and Los Angeles for the last two years. It's been a long project, but it's exciting. So December is going to be the film tour.

Starting point is 01:08:09 We're going to be in New York, Chicago, So hopefully Austin or Dallas somewhere in Texas and then Los Angeles and maybe Phoenix. And then the movie will come out January the first. I was flattered to be a part of it because I wanted to share my whole journey with the meat. Listen, you got to do what works for you. Test it out. Give it a ride. It's worked for me.

Starting point is 01:08:30 But I think it's so cool because I cannot. I mean, you probably know, you know this better than me. When I'm in the world, people come up to me sometimes and say, hey, you know, I benefited from what you do. But I just want to appreciate you because there are probably. thousands, if not tens of thousands of women who eat meat because of you, because you as a woman were talking about that. And that is awesome for these women. Like, that's so cool how many lives of women that may have been fearful of meat. And they hear you talking about how much better you feel with it and they're benefiting. So thank you for sharing that in the movie and in general.

Starting point is 01:08:59 I love it. I'm passionate about it. I mean, it's really changed my life. On that note, I think it's like a relevant question to end the show with, we'll have some rabbit first, But this one is, you know, you've been at the forefront of this health conversation for a long time now. And like we mentioned earlier, somehow it's gotten, health has become political. Yeah. How do you think we get health to get out of the political realm and back into where it belongs, which is with everyone that just cares about looking and feeling? Like, how do you reach those people that are determined to keep this issue political? Because for me, like, whenever people write some like bullshit hit piece on Lauren and I, it's always because of like the political health bias.

Starting point is 01:09:36 And I'm like, guys, it's, it's painting a picture that's, that's not there. We care about health. I don't care if it's left or right or up or down that's talking about it. We care about health. How do you get people like to look at it that way again? I think we just keep doing what we're doing, you know, and I think that people on both sides of the aisle, it's a bipartisan thing, you know, people are going to get sick who are on the right.

Starting point is 01:09:56 People who are going to get sick who are on the left. And I hope that both political persuasions or people who are in the middle who are libertarian or wherever, you know, I think, I hope that people from across the spectrum will benefit from, you know, authentic, candid conversations like this about health. And then I think over time, like, you know, the truth, the cream rises to the top, right? The truth comes out. And I think, again, I think that, unfortunately, health topics have been painted too far to the right, probably because of the Maha movement, right?

Starting point is 01:10:27 So, like, make America healthy again movement. Like, for some reason it got to be controversial. I understand some of the stances on vaccines and stuff. Aga or maga, maha. It's close enough. Maybe the lettering, right? Yeah, it's close. So people don't like, so that's just silly, right?

Starting point is 01:10:44 Because I know that the people that may not agree with right-centered politics or right-leaning politics will still, unfortunately, experience health issues. And I hope that they can benefit from candid conversations with this, which are not meant to be political at all. They're meant to be bipartisan. I mean, maybe this is a bad example, but RFK has said, you know, like, children, don't have a political persuasion, right? If you go ask our kids right now which way they lean, they're going to be like, what the fuck are you talking about? I just want to go play on the slide.

Starting point is 01:11:11 Honestly, it's refreshing. Yeah, yeah. But no, I mean, but I think, listen, what I believe is that at the end of the day, Americans and people, people all over the world, they want their kids to live the happiest, healthy as lives they can. And I think, like, the responsibility of adults

Starting point is 01:11:26 is to create that possibility for future generations. And so I don't care who on which side of the aisle does it. I just care that somebody's, focus on it and doing it. So for that, like, I thank you because I, and many others, because you guys are part of that and really like, you know, Lauren and I are a small conduit for people like you that are really pushing it. And I think you're doing a great job. And I think more people should should take it seriously because, you know, the fact of the matter is whether you like it or not, people are getting fatter, sicker, more autoimmune issues,

Starting point is 01:11:56 you know, more chronic disease, more things that, in my opinion, are avoidable. It doesn't have to be that way. It doesn't have to be that way. Doesn't have to be that way. And I think, I mean, hopefully I get to have kids at some point in the near future. But I think that, like, one of the biggest, most important things we do in this world is protect our children and give them a structured safe environment. And that's a big part of, like, understanding how you can protect your kids or your future children. And for a lot of us, both men and women, it starts even before we have children affecting exposures like we talked about with personal care products or heavy metals, just overall becoming healthy so that we can become more fertile. and then once we have children, understanding how to create the environment

Starting point is 01:12:35 that you asked me about at the beginning of the podcast, Lauren, to really protect them in the biggest way. I mean, what's more important than that? No, I mean, listen, like, people are, there's a lot of, you know, anger out there right now, and I think that's also driven by people, in many cases, being unhealthy. Like, when you're looking good and you're feeling good and you're healthy, like some of those negative thoughts and biases will go away

Starting point is 01:12:56 because you don't want to go down that right when you feel great, right? mental health is this hot button issue. It's a whole other, I mean, we could do, like, we could keep going for another hour and talk about it. And I, I think, I completely agree with you. I think mental health is inextricably linked to the quality of our, our diet and the quality of our environment. And if you eat crappy foods, you are much less, you are much more likely to be angry and irritable and experience mental health issues. I mean, I've seen it firsthand. It's crazy.

Starting point is 01:13:24 I mean, people with depression, anxiety, all sorts of issues get, that gets better too. not only do people lose weight, become more fertile and happier, they also actually think better and feel better from a mental health standpoint when they improve their diet. The next time you're in Austin, how long are you here for? A week. Oh, I'm going to have my dad get you some of his elk Pazole. Oh, my God. He sells it at the farmer's market.

Starting point is 01:13:46 I love it. It's so fucking amazing. We have it for dinner like all the time. I would love it. I'm going to have him get you some. I'll figure it out with you off air, how to get you. Yeah. And you just heat it up.

Starting point is 01:13:57 You can put some avocado on top with a little bit of like cabbage and some raw onion and lemon. It's so good. Sounds amazing. Yeah, you'll love it. Sounds amazing. Okay. I'll get you guys some. They do it with bison and they do with elk.

Starting point is 01:14:09 I forgot to tell you to bring me the honey and a smoothie. The honey and a smoothie. Yeah. Remember you made me a smoothie last time? Yeah. You set the bar too high last time. I know. I want a Paul Saladino smoothie.

Starting point is 01:14:20 That smoothie is so good. You do the, you did the protein powder. So the lineage protein powder, raw milk. honey, you can put in some hard and soil organs if you want. The lineage already has organs in it, yeah. Heart and soil protein powder. Oh, the hard and soil organs, if you want to put that in. What do you mean the hard and soil organs? I haven't tried that. Oh, they have, we have capsules. So hard and soil makes. Oh, I do have those. Yeah. The her ones. So there's, yeah, hard and soil makes her package and whole package. And we make a bunch of different organs. But actually,

Starting point is 01:14:49 I should shout this out today. We just got into sprouts today. So I'm really proud of the team. They did a great job. So 450 locations of sprouts across the country now has organs. you know, in capsules because a lot of us don't want to eat. So you just open the capsules and put it in? You can just open the capsules and put it in the smoothie. Yeah, you should do that when you make towns a smoothie. Okay, you're amazing. Go follow Paul.

Starting point is 01:15:08 I love following you. What's your Instagram, pimp yourself out. It's just Paul Saladino MD everywhere. And yeah, I hope the content is helpful for people. It's been a humbling journey. Thank you guys for having me on again. It's always good to see you. You can come back in him.

Starting point is 01:15:20 If they're still skeptical, come back in six months. You'll be vindicated again. I will see. Lineage nose to tail collagen. Thank you guys. Thank you.

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