The Bossticks - Pia Mance On Turning Your Side Hustle Into A Cash Cow, Leveraging AI, & The Drop Everyone Wants

Episode Date: December 11, 2025

#915: Join Lauryn as she sits down with Pia Mance – Creative Director & Founder of Heaven Mayhem. From handmade necklaces to a full line of elevated accessories, Pia turned her love of vintage-inspired modern style into a $10M, celebrity-favorite brand. In this episode, Pia shares how she built her all-female team, makes fast, strategic decisions, & leverages AI for efficiency. Pia also opens up about protecting her energy, navigating business relationships, her ultimate wellness routine, & unveils an iconic Heaven Mayhem × Lauryn Bosstick collaboration.   To Watch the Show click HERE   For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM   To connect with Pia Mance click HERE   To connect with Heaven Mayhem click HERE   To connect with Lauryn Bosstick click HERE   To connect with The Skinny Confidential click HERE   Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE   Head to our ShopMy page HERE and LTK page HERE to find all of the products mentioned in each episode.   Get your burning questions featured on the show! Leave the Him & Her Show a voicemail at [phone].   Shop The Skinny Confidential x Heaven Mayhem collab now at https://go.shopmy.us/p-35178212.   This episode is sponsored by Branch Basics Shop Branch Basics in 600+ Target stores nationwide, or http://Target.com. You can also use my code SKINNY15 to get 15% off at https://branchbasics.com/SKINNY15. Again, SKINNY15 for 15% off at https://branchbasics.com/SKINNY15.   This episode is sponsored by Fatty15 Fatty15 is on a mission to replenish your C15 levels and restore your long-term health. You can get an additional 15% off their 90-day subscription Starter Kit by going to http://fatty15.com/SKINNY and using code SKINNY at checkout.   This episode is sponsored by Hero Bread Hero Bread is offering 10% off your order. Go to http://hero.co and use code SKINNY at checkout.   This episode is sponsored by Beekeeper's Naturals Go to http://beekeepersnaturals.com/SKINNY or enter code SKINNY to get 20% off your order.   This episode is sponsored by Caraway Visit http://Carawayhome.com/SKINNYPOD to take advantage of this limited-time offer for up to 25% off your next purchase.    This episode is sponsored by Synergy Ready to get started on your very own gut health journey? Visit http://SYNERGYDRINKS.com to find your SYNERGY flavor today.   This episode is sponsored by Everyday Dose  Get 61% off your first Coffee+ Starter Kit, a free A2 Probiotic Creamer, with over $100 in free gifts by going to http://everydaydose.com/SKINNY or entering SKINNY at checkout. Produced by Dear Media

The following podcast is a dear media production. She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire. Fantastic. And he's a serial entrepreneur. A very smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you along for the ride. Get ready for some major realness. Welcome to the skinny confidential, him and her.

Pia Mance needs no intro. She is laying down with me in bed for a little girl talk. We talk about biz, we talk about leverage, we talk about energy navigating business, wellness, beauty, and we unveil our iconic collaboration. Heaven Mayhem times The Skinny Confidential. Also, there's an Easter egg in this episode. If you're looking for a gig, a job with the Skinny Confidential, listen very closely. With that, let's welcome my friend Pia Manse, the creative director and founder of Heaven Mayhem.

This is the Skinny Confidential. him and her. We are in bed. We're in bed. We're in bed. And Michael's not here. Perfect. And your husband's not here.

Unfortunately, Taylor's behind the camera. We are in bed with Pia Mance today. And we're going to get the juice in this episode. You built a $10 million company in three years with no funding. Yes. How did you do that? and how do you manage all this? I feel like on our first episode, that was kind of what people took,

is built this business with $900. It's been three years. We've hit our 10 mill, but we're still such a small team. There's only eight of us. It's all girls. We're like doing everything we can every day, trying to keep things scrappy, although I hate that word, because it doesn't make us feel elevated and we are.

But we manage it all by having no decision fatigue and just no procrastination and getting it done every day. That's what I love. love about you as a creator and an entrepreneur is I can tell you are quick to make decisions. And I don't think people understand how important that trade is. Can you speak on how you think about making quick fast decisions when it comes to execution? Yeah. Execution should be my middle name. Like, literally, like, you just have to get it done. Just do it, get it done. I say it all the time. But I just choose. Literally just choose. Like, what is the worst thing that can happen? Maybe if

like you're going to lose your company, think about it for two or three days. But like apart from that, choosing a color or choosing a clasp or choosing where we shoot a campaign, like there's no wrong answer. I just make that answer that you choose work for you. Do you know what I mean? Totally. And I think that you can always pivot and be flexible. Yes. If someone's listening and they want to start something and they want to start something tomorrow, what is the PMMance way to do that? I would probably start by moodboarding. I'm like a big mood boarder. I like to get inspiration from everywhere. Something I always say is like I like to go shopping, but that's not going to the store and buying a bunch of stuff. That's like going to a nice set of designer stores and getting inspiration.

Walking around, going into these stores that all cost over a million dollars just to build the store, looking at the pieces that the creative director puts in the store for furniture, for the shelving, for the walls, anything. You get so inspired. Go sit in a nice hotel, mood board, and that's where I would start. But then this is where people get stuck. They just stay in this like ideation phase. It's romantic. Yes, it's romantic.

It's so nice. Like, sure, start like that, but like literally execute the next day. Like put wheels in motion. Start a, choose a name. Just choose one. You know, trademark the name. Start putting wheels in motion. And I also, I've realized that people will tell you like, oh my God, I'm going to do this.

And you will turn around and go, oh, my God, amazing. So they get that gratification without even doing it. Does that make sense? I love this. Speak about that. So maybe keep it to yourself and work on it yourself so that you're not getting this false gratification when you haven't even done anything yet. You know what I mean? You guys, that is such good advice. That's so interesting that you do that. I never ever tell anyone anything I'm working on.

Yeah. I don't even tell my husband sometimes because there's something that's like, sure, you get gratification telling people, but you get a double hit of dopamine if you then actually have it and there's something tangible to show for it. Yeah. I think what I like to do is I like to spill a little, because I don't believe a lot of people want to keep their cards close to their chest because they don't want someone to copy them. I don't believe in that. I believe in putting it out into the universe, I might tell you, hey, I'm thinking about starting this and you might say, oh, I know someone I connect you with this, dots and whatever. Yes. So I do believe in putting it out there to a degree. But don't tell everyone what you're doing. Keep your cards close to your chest in that. You don't want to get that false gratification in them say, oh my go, congrats. That's amazing, babe. And you're like, but actually, where's the product? That's so interesting. It's like being a forever student, but like in business. If you just talk about it and you don't actually execute.

Yeah. So what are the like little things that you do to execute something? Like I'm talking iPhone notes. Is there an app that you're using? Are you writing it down? Tell us all those little tips. Yeah. I write things down in my notes on my app, on my phone.

I don't really have like a actual notepad that I use. I feel like they just get lost. Everything has to be digital. Okay. I have an AI note taker in every meeting. Do you use one of those? So the AI takes all the notes. notes for you so you don't have to. Yeah. And because I'm such a talker. Like I'm in a meeting and I'm like,

oh my God, yes, we should do this. I'm such a big thinker. I'm such a like want to express myself, use my hands. I don't want to sit there taking notes. So then the AI takes the notes and I can recap after like, what did I say? What did I need to check? So I love the AI note taker. And then I use Slack. Do you use Slack at the office? I do. Obsessed with Slack. That has changed my life where people go, what's the tech that you've built your business on? I'm like, this sounds so dumb and they're probably rolling their eyes, but Slack has helped us to, like, get shit done quickly. I'll quickly slack someone while I'm on a call rather than texting. It's like super unprofessional. But I just feel like it's rude. Like you're getting into someone else's space. You're so right. So slack, it's where it's at.

Okay. And then I delegate like crazy. And I love the word delegate because delegate outsource is so nice, whereas like telling someone to do it is so mean. And it's not really what you mean. So I like love the word delegate, even though it's the same thing. Yeah, but we were talking about this off air. it's like the words that you speak could be low vibration and you could change it into a high vibrating word. Yeah. So you and I were talking about using the word unfortunately, changing that or using the word can't. What's the other word we were saying is low vibration? Coffin. We were talking about nail shapes being almond or coffin and we were like, who would choose coffin? Coffin just feels low vibration. Are my tits falling out? Okay. Yeah, just tell me. Taylor's zooming in. Yeah, I think the word

that you speak are so important to how your life like sort of like flows. Yeah. I think that if any time you're writing an email, it's an opportunity to edit the way you talk and speak and what you're putting out there. And if you're constantly saying sort of like negative words, I think there's something to that. Oh, agree. Honestly, I think even your tone on email, I really don't like to, I like it when an email is short. I hate it too long email. But when the text is short, but when the text is short, short when like the tone is short. That's what I'm looking for. I hate a short tone. It's almost like you get bad vibes from the other person. Even some people on my team, they're just so efficient that their tone is short. I hate it. I always tell them like, we've got to be nicer. We're such

a nice company where just like all these girls trying to get it done every day. We have to be nice on email. Yeah, I think there's definitely a finesse there. You don't want to explanation point every single thing to the point of like overcompensation. But there should, it's like a it's it's it's it is energetic. Yeah. And that sounds weird, but you can feel it through email. Yeah. How do you think about hiring the team? Because we'll get into it, but we have been working together. And I've had the chance to be around your team. And they're all really creative and lovely. How do you pick that? Like, aren't they perfect? They're great. They're great. Great team. So proud of them. I'm obsessed with them. They like carry the company. They're amazing. I love them. I, it's hard to find the

right people, I think, because it's hard to pick them out when you haven't really met them. Do you know what I mean? Yes. So we always, I always try and start, and all our creative roles have always started from a freelance or an intern capacity. Okay. But then I've been able to work with them and then it can grow. So I always get people to try and start like that. Like, can you do some part time hours or can you just work on this project or this event? And then we can get to know them better. Okay. It's like the best way to get your foot in the door, at least with us. And then I always also make people do a test project. Always. I would never hire anyone without a test project. That is so smart. Yeah. So is the test project something that you're paying for? The test project is usually free.

If it's a big undertaking and it's like a big job and I want them to give me a lot, then I'll pay for it just so there's no bad blood. Because sometimes for a creative role, you're asking them to come up with ideas. Right. And you want to make sure that they're on the right path, but you don't want them to come up with an idea that maybe you might have thought of, you end up doing, you don't hire them. They're like, you've copied me. Do you know what I mean? Okay. So what do you do? So I pay them for the project. It's all good. And I usually ask for like create a mood board, create a pitch for an event, choose the influences you would want to work with, pitch me a shoot, write me a script for this TikTok video. Like I want a full 360 of how you would see this rolling out. Plan an Instagram feed, do this. And if I like the vibes, then they're in. That is so smart. And I think it's a really good way to, sort of date the person before marrying.

And what I'm finding is like sometimes you hire someone and then you realize, wait, this isn't a culture fit or, you know, this is not the creative direction I wanted to go in. But if you do a test shoot, you can really get a feel of what they're going to be like if you become engaged to them. Totally. That is exactly what I do. It's really smart. And then I also previously, you know, in the first year, well, the first year I didn't have anyone in the business. The second year, I was hiring a few roles. And now I've starting to hire roles that have way more experience so that they've, they come to me and they teach me things. Because at the start, I'm kind of hiring these people, making sure they understand my vision

and teaching them, especially in creative. But now it's like into ops and e-com. So I'm hiring people who have like way more experience than can come in and teach me and then help up level that, like whole department and do the test projects and all of that and teach them. So I make sense? Yes. But when you find the person who is really, really experienced? Is there a certain brand that you prefer? Like, for instance, are you looking more in the fashion? Are you looking in beauty? Or does it not matter that you really just want someone who really has a lot of experience? And it could be anywhere. It honestly could be anywhere, but they have to be able to apply it to us. So again, I've done a test project for all the

operations and ecom roles as well. And it's so funny, I'm not looking for someone cute and creative for these roles. I'm really not. But I'll get them to send it in like a deck format, because that's usually how you send. And it's night and day between the people who have come to work with us and the people who haven't with how they lay out their project. And that's not because I'm like, oh, I want the aesthetic person. It just so happens that they're so organized. They've page numbered it. They've done a table of contents. They've used some images. When they've demonstrated their project, they're like, oh, I looked up your events, your community events that you do. And they talk about that. So they're already interested in the brand. So I feel like they really set themselves apart. And when you're looking for someone, this is maybe like a selfish question for myself. Do you look on like LinkedIn?

That's where you looked. LinkedIn, we always do it. And I always post it on my personal and social. That's smart. And then I always just text. I'll text a bunch of people like, hey, do you know anyone for this role? They can shoot it out to a couple of people. I have a role I'm looking for. I'm just going to throw it out there on air. And you can, I'm going to put it out in the ether. I'm looking for social media like wizards. for the brand that wants to really elevate. For content? For content.

Yeah. So if anyone is listening, what's the best way to contact me? Because you can tell them about my email away message. Let me tell you the best way to contact you. Let me tell you. What? Make a TikTok video, a green screen TikTok video, and show Lauren exactly how you would elevate the skinny confidential and then post it.

And if it like blows up and she sees it, you've got the job. Yeah, man. That is genius. So you're saying like, show, show me. And then I can already date you. So I can decide if I want to be engaged to you. Yeah. I love that. That is fucking genius. That is such a good idea. You guys, run. Please, please. I can't wait to see. That's a really, really great idea. So when you are running this massive business and it's scaled so quickly and you're in Paris Fashion Week. And then you're coming back here to do what we're doing today. which we'll get to. How do you like balance everything that's going on? Because your content is on point. Your outfits are on point. You're very pulled together. What are like the little tips that you do? Okay, I have a bunch of little tips. First thing I do when I get overwhelmed and I'm like, oh my God, I have so much to get through. There's so much to do is I honestly remind myself like I'm not saving lives. It's not that deep. So that's the first thing. Like come back to reality for a minute. You're not the most important person in the room.

everything's going to be fine. Okay. And then I do things like I work with the stylist. She helps me with my outfits. I don't have to think about that. I did not know you work with a stylist. Yes. So easy.

Okay. So that tick, number one. I have like two hairstyles that I know how to do. So I do them every day. It's either out like this or a slick bun. Done. Easy. I know how to do my makeup in like 15 minutes.

Done. I'm not doing different looks. Did you do your makeup today? No, I wish. I was like, oh my God. But I do the same thing every day. Okay. I eat the same thing every day when I travel.

Which is what? Bone broth for breakfast, matcha wherever I can get it or I have it with me. And then like meat, like a steak or a burger or something. So like it's easy to find. I'm not really a big foodie that I have to go find, you know,

the best restaurant or something. I'm down to like go wherever. Well, when you're busy, you're trying to save time. So it's like whatever you can get. Exactly. Whatever I can do to save time. Plan my night the day.

Plan my day the night before. Always. Like what I'm doing step by step in my notes. Write it. wake up 530, gym, reply to these emails, shower, allow time for everything. And then that's it. Just get it down. So here's a takeaway. You're not just looking at your calendar like a lot of normal people do. You're actually the night before putting it out into the ether what you're doing through your notes app. Yeah. That's unique. That's unique. I do think it's unique.

So then as well. It's an extra step. Yeah, it's an extra step. And I know, okay, let's say I've got this meeting, I'm going to want to take them a gift of heaven mayhem to this meeting. So I've got to pack that the night before, leave that by the door. What bag am I taking? Because is the gift going to fit in the bag? So all of these things will be in my notes that planned the night before. So though I'm not rushing out the door like, holy shit, I've got to carry all this stuff. I've forgotten this. I've forgotten that. Everything's all planned. You kind of remind me of my husband. Oh, good. That's a compliment. He's very like, he's smart. He's just very like he thinks 12 steps ahead and he has everything organized,

Whereas like me today, like if you would have seen me getting out of the hotel, you would have, you like, you would have had a heart attack. Like I'm not joking. Really? The dog ate the synthetic thyroid medicine. So the dog ate the thyroid medicine. The kids are running around. None of my stuff is packed and ready. Like I almost feel like I thrive in the chaos and then I like to come in and like clean it up to get to here. It's like a sick project. So you're like Michael. you have everything planned out. I much prefer it that way. Maybe I need to like get a personality change. I know that I wanted to tell you guys this too. Something that that I do that Pia mentioned is I have an away message. Yes. She has an out of office at all times. So you'll email like she's like email me that over. I do and she's like I'm out of office right now but this has been like this for two years. No, it's been like five years. I'm out of office. And like each year is like a different theme. So like right now I'm writing my book. So like it's a different thing. It says that because it usually says like Lauren is out of office working on creative projects. Or like no, thinking creatively, thinking bigger

picture, something like that. It's iconic. It protects your energy. How do you protect your own energy? I have like five things I do. Like I love to go for a walk. Love it. I love my bone broth and my marcher. Like for example, I would just love to grab a marcher anywhere in Paris. Do you know what I mean? Like if I can have it. Like you'll go anywhere. You're not picky. I mean, I'm kind of picky. I wouldn't go to Starbucks, but like, just having a good one would kind of like make my day and make me feel happy within my day. But apart from that, I just try and get things done. Like, I'll be in an Uber, I'll film some TikToks. I'll edit some TikToks. I usually, for, in Paris, for example, the traffic was horrific. I would just get the metro around all day. There's Wi-Fi down there. I'd be doing my

emails on the Metro by myself. Run off, go to a meeting, get back, blah, blah, blah. Whatever I can do to save time. That's like how I protect my energy. You're editing a TikTok, your own TikTok. Yeah. Oh my goodness. So what are other things that you do to protect your peace and your space? Meaning like say there's like a, I'm just making this up. There's like a friend that wants to get coffee with you for two hours on a Wednesday. Oh, right. So like what are the tools and tactics that you're taking to making sure that you're prioritizing?

And not that the friend's not a priority, but like you know what I'm saying? You need to protect your space so you can get things. Well, work is my priority at the moment. That's just like it is what it is work. I'm my husband. And that's just like a give him. Anyone who knows me knows that now. Like, my friends don't really call me unless they need something.

They would text me, but, like, there's no pressure to respond. I work in the office, 8.30 to 530. I would never plan anything outside of that to the point when no one invites me. Like, they'll say, like, oh, we got lunch, but we'd invite you because you're at the office, but that's the reason. I'm like, yeah, I know. I would never have come. You know, you know.

Yeah, unless it's a crazy birthday or something I really want to be there for, like a baby shower, of course I'd miss the office, but I love being in the office. and I travel so much that when I'm in L.A., of course I'm going to be in the office with my team. I think that it's important as if you're running a business to find friends who can really understand that and embrace that about you. Yeah. Because if people get mad or they're high maintenance about that, it's really difficult to have a friendship that thrives.

Yeah. It's not to say like you can't be available for them, but like they have to understand that like your work is something that you really love and it lights you up. Yeah. And I think in LA, at least this, I mean, I've only been here three years. I moved here. I didn't know one single person. Oh my God. And I've really built this friendship that these friendships who are often founders as well. Like SIF. Yeah, exactly. Who have their own business or they work for a small business or a startup so they totally get it. And then as well as that, I have a lot of friends. I have a lot of acquaintances. I don't have that many besties. Like I have a very, very small tight knit circle. And that's fine for me. Oh, trust me. I keep it tight. I keep it lean and mean. Yeah. Best news ever. Branch Basics, one of my all-time favorite cleaning brands, is now available at over 600 Target stores nationwide and Target.com. So you can pick up

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warm and disarming. And that that's not always the case in the industry where it. How do you manage to keep your bubbly, beautiful personality in a world where sometimes it's not, it's not always nice. I love all the compliments. Thank you so much. You're so warm. I am warm. I think that's also why I was able to make friends when I moved here because I'm just like, I don't know, like, what is this bird? Where is this bird? Honestly, I don't take any negative energy. Like, I just don't. I wouldn't accept it. I wouldn't hang out with that person again. I'll leave a conversation. But to the point now, I think I've developed this confidence as of getting older that if someone like meets me with rudeness, I would just say to them, well, that was a little short. You're not in a good mood today?

It's so good though in your accent. Like let me hear. Well, that was a little short. Like it comes off like rude when I say it, but not when you say it. Yeah, maybe not. But I don't know. I just like kill them with kindness. Oh, the best thing. When someone's being really rude, you touch them on the arm. Are you okay? Is everything okay? You seem a little sad and upset. Okay. But I can't be bothered. Literally, I just walk away. I think it's going to use that tactic on Michael. Next time he gets this panic. I do use it a lot, especially in a retail setting. If like the staff are being kind of rude and short, it's like, what's the problem here? What do you, what do they say when you say, are you okay? Generally, they kind of like look inward and they're like, yeah, I'm fine. And then they think, like, I think they're a bit disarmed.

That's a great tactic. Yeah, it works. Are you okay? I just need to get. your accent going. Okay, so first let's start off the next part of this episode. Why don't you tell me first how you became interested in the skinny confidential and then I can give you the flip side because I think it's important to set the why of why we did this collaboration. I was first introduced to the podcast maybe when I was living in London. I moved here like three and a half years ago and I've been out of the pod just would listen to a, some, elect guests until I started to like get really hooked on you guys, especially you. And then when I moved to LA, one of the first friends that I met, she was such a fan of yours and she was such a fan of

the ice roller. She got it for me for my birthday in 2020. Wow. Right? Wow. And I've been a fan ever since. I've listened to like majority of the episodes. And then when we were connected with through briny, our mutual friend, I like fell in love with you even more because I love your personality. I love how kind of like cutthroat you are. I love how business savvy you are. I love how you just say it how it is. You're not trying to impress everyone in the room. And I love it. So Brianie, that's who connected us. Yes. I feel like I knew about your brand before that and I had been wearing your earrings. In fact, I remember the first time I wore Heaven Mayhem earrings. I was in Las Vegas interviewing Dan Bolzerian. Is that how you say his last name, Taylor? And I was wearing the earrings and I noticed, and I've said this on the other

episode that the earrings like lifted my face and brightened my eyes, which is really important to me, flattering. And I just fell in love with the brand. You actually bought something. And the brand was really small. So I was filling all my own orders and saw your name come through and then filled your order and sent it. And I think I added in a few extra things. But I didn't write anything because I feel like it's uncomfortable, me saying like, oh my God, Lauren, thank you. And you're like, does this crazy fan know where I live? So I didn't do anything like that. But I remember you bought something and I was like so ecstatic. I love your brand.

I've always been a fan. Why did we decide to do this collaboration? So you messaged me out of nowhere. Text you right. I get this text. Should we collab? I emoji. I emoji.

And then I replied something like, I should have checked this. It's something like, oh my God, yes. Like next message. What are you thinking? And then you reply and you go, perfect. I've just screenshot this in case we actually do collab. so I can use it later for content. I'm like, oh, we love an organized queen.

I'm like, perfect, this is right. But then I was kind of sitting with this idea of the collaboration, like, okay, I love Lauren. I look up to her so much in this business world. I would love to do something. But what makes sense? Because I don't think an earring does. So we came up with the concept of what we're doing. Which is?

Which is a bedside box. So we had already launched book boxes, which is it looks like a coffee table book. It's the chicest thing. and then you open it up to jewelry storage. And they just went crazy, went viral on TikTok, sold out within 48 hours, like was our bestseller crazy, crazy. And so I'm like, let's do another version with more space. Lauren's signature colors, everything we want,

fits the mouth tape and fits all of the bedside essentials because you're so known for like all of your routines. And that's what we've done. And it really is to me so true to both of the brands because I think you're so good at what you do with the, jewelry boxes and the earrings and and your sunglasses that like to have you be sort of like the creative director of this with a skinny confidential spin has been so fun because my bedside does have a lot of shit on it. A lot of the audience members are the same. We have like our

magnesium spray and our Kindle and our mouth tape and supplements, lip balm, everything. Like whatever. Sleep masks. Yeah. So, like all the things. But I also really like to be. organized, surprisingly, organized within the chaos. The number one tip about my life organization is a clean space. No one can function without a clean space. And 100%, you don't want to wake up every day looking at this messy bedside table. Yes. So it's two boxes. One is cream. It says the bedside box on it. It has two compartments. One fits the mouth tape perfectly. And then the other is like your lip balm, your supplements, whatever else. And then the other part is for all your jewelry because you want to take off your earrings. That's our bread and butter. You want to

take off your rings at the end of the day, chuck them in there. And then we have another box, which is the Hunter Green that Lauren is addicted to, obsessed. A plot twist. I'm really into Hunter Green right now. And so it's like the Hunter Green crock box and it's all open. So this is where you'd put the Kindle, your book, your sleep masks, the TV remote, even though I know you're against the TV. But stuff like that in the green one. And then either lay them next to each other, stack it, out a candle. It's like so chic and so great. It is such a good way to organize all of the stuff that's by your bedside so you can feel peace of mind. I feel like that's what we are selling is peace of mind.

So you don't have to have all your shit all over your bedside. It looks like it's a book. We actually had these custom made. So the place to put your mouth tape is like perfect for the box or the tape. You can put anything you want in there truly like that's by your bedside. You could, I feel like we need to like do a challenge where they take their bedside box and use it for like creative ways. We need to do a like what's in your box.

And like see whatever one keeps in their bedside table. We can do a what's in your box. This is limited addition. Once it sells out, it's gone. It's a great deal. And I think it's kind of iconic because it's something that you can have forever by your bedside. It's very understated.

It looks like a book. It's branded to both of our brands. And I think with the Hunter Green, like if everyone's like, huh, Hunter Green is Bond's color. Bond, each of my kids have a color. And Bond's color is this beautiful, sort of like crocodile green. His whole nursery is that. And so to pull it through and see something in real life with the brand is really fun.

And one is like, P.S. Ed, but it's like a crocodile print, right? Yeah. It's like thick and rich. Yeah. Yeah. It's beautiful. It's not real crocodile, but it's stamped in it. I mean, obviously it's not real crocodile.

No one freak out. But it's stamped and it's just gorgeous. Another way, I don't think I've told you this, but another way that people, that people are loving the book boxes in general is because it looks like a coffee table book, so they'll actually put their valuables in it instead of like a safe. Because what frigging thief is coming into the house and looking through books? That is so smart. So like put that engagement ring in there, put the things and then stack it.

So for example, you might buy the bundle and you might decide the bedside box is staying on my bedside. And then the Hunter Green croc one, that's going to go in the bookshelf with like a bunch of valuables. Yeah, that is so smart. It was so funny when people started commenting that being like, now I know where I'm leaving my valuables. I was like, wait. Let's not tell the burglars this. I know. Hopefully the burglars aren't listening.

The burglars don't listen. The burglars are not listening. Yeah. So we wanted to do this podcast in bed to represent the bedside box. You can go on YouTube and watch this and like see everything. The collab is launching on December 11th at heavenmayhem.com. It's, wait, we didn't say this. It's also perfect for gifting.

Oh my God. It's so cute for gifting. Christmas, holiday season. And it's so gorgeous, but I feel like the perfect gift. It's the perfect gift. It's limited edition. So since we are obsessed with this bedside box, tell us your non-negotiables for how you end your day. How I am my day. Okay. Do you sleep with a sleep mask on your eyes? I sleep. Are you ready for it?

Mm-hmm. With a sleep crown. Have you heard of this? No. Talk to me. Okay. So it's the softest, most buttery slightly. weighted pillow handmade in Austin. And you put it over your eyes and it shuts the light out, but it's like an adult stuffy. So it's like it's almost, it's not a sleep mask, but it's like almost shaped like a big sleep mask, but it's slightly weighted so it like calms anxiety. I am telling you I got this for all my kids. I travel with them. It is the softest, most beautiful situation. Love. And that's what I put over my eyes. Love. So I have to have something over my eyes, but I like the weighted. I love it. So I just

got this new one. It's called Nodpod, maybe. And it like digs into my eyes and then I tie it at the back. So nice. What do you mean it digs into your eyes because you have beautiful eyelashes? It has, no, it doesn't dig in. It has these little bowls, I guess. It's like ridged. So the ridges lay across your eyes. It's like very nice and relaxing. So it does it not mess up if you, I know a lot of people have fake eyelashes? Oh, I don't know. I don't. You don't know. I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't have a fake eyelash. I have a fake eyelash, but they're individuals from the drugstore, but go on. And then I always sleep with mouth tape. Okay. I love to magnesium spray my legs. Okay. I have one from aloe that I use. Okay. I always take my supplements in the evening,

like my magnesium. Okay. And then I take this supplement I got on Amazon. Well, it's not from Amazon. You can just get it there. It's called cortisol manager. Yeah. And it really calms me down at night. And then we love erase sleep. We love erase sleep. A race sleep. Array sleep is such a good one. I've been implementing that. And then I also, I like magnesium water too. Yeah. I like as much magnesium as I can get. And then I wear my aura ring to sleep. To manage your sleep, track your sleep. Yeah. Just to like track my cycle and just to kind of know how much sleep I've got. Okay. But I never wear it in the day because it's ugly. Okay. So your bedtime routine is the same every single day. Yeah. Which in my opinion sets you up for a day of success the next.

day. Totally. I go to bed at around 9 p.m. Okay. Wake up at 5.30. When I go to bed, I'll be asleep within five minutes. I'm not hanging around, procrastinating, thinking about things. I'm sure your husband loves that. Sometimes I dream about work. I'll dream about what I was doing on my Canva or like, oh my God, I actually dreamt of this shoot last night. I don't get nervous for things, so I don't know why, but these two girls on my team were preparing a snack and it was dry. The chicken was dry in my dream, and I was freaking out in my dream that you were going to be so upset because I know you're so particular about your food. I would not be upset.

Can you believe about the chicken being dry? In fact, I would be like, can I get a bowl of organs? Yes, I should have. That's what I should have. You're strategizing in your sleep. And when you wake up, what are the beauty routines, the rituals that you're doing? Wake up, go upstairs. I try to do at least like three minutes of journaling.

I just love writing something down. You do. You love to like get it out. I feel like. Yeah. Yeah. Talk nonstop, by the way. I always love going on walks and sending voice notes to people. So I realize they don't want to fucking listen to 12 minutes. So now I just AI note taker it. I talk to myself my one hour walk and then it gives me a summary. And any good ideas I had on my walk, I can like pinpoint. Let's like pause there and talk about what you just said for a second. Because this is, I feel like this is important. And then we can get back to the morning beauty. So I want to know how you use AI strategically. You just. said you go on a walk and you're talking to it about what. Give us an example. Okay, I'll go on a walk. I've got my dog with me and I'm saying things like, oh, there's a postbox. We should totally do a campaign around postbox and gift giving for Christmas. We should do like a whole heaven mayhem thing. Then my dog's walking. I'm saying, oh, come on, sweetie, let's go. Then I'm going, oh, my God,

I really want to do something around like the color blue. I think we should change our colors. And then I'll move on and I'll go, that's a pretty house and what do I want to get for Christmas and blah, blah, move on. Then my AI note taker, this will be an hour of my walk talking. random things. When people walk by, they think I'm on the phone because I've got my headphones in. Then I press Summarize and it gives me a summary of all of the notes. So it will say like, Pierre mentioned Christmas ideas this. Pierre told the dog to hurry up. Pia did this. And then I can be like, okay, that's irrelevant, that's irrelevant. But what did I say about the postbox holiday gifting campaign? That's good. Let's do that. That's really, really smart. And I want to

stress what I've seen about with a chat GPT is like if you use it in a smart way that's strategic, it is a fucking game changer. I know everyone's like, yeah, Lauren, we know this. But like there's so many like unique ways to use it. I tell it like everything I have to do in a day and it's a fucking cluster fuck projectile at it. I'll be like, and I have to have 15 minutes to drive and I need to shower and I need to make sure I have time to brush my teeth on my vibrating plate. Like my daughter needs to be dropped off here. I'll tell it. I'll like literally just tell it everything about my day. And it will truly like

organize my day like no other. And people online are like what's the prompt? The prompt is nothing. You're not prompting it. Right. You're like telling it your thoughts. Yeah. And then it's organizing it. Yeah. Right. The way I record is not on chat. TBT. It's on this two. The one we use at work is called. fireflies and the one I use on my walks is called Otter AI. What's the what is the difference? No, the same thing. Same thing, different company. Okay. And then I use chat for like a ton of things but I do like to write my own emails. I do and I do like to I really hate when you can see like everyone's m dashes and it's so impersonal. I'm like what's m dash is the chat chitb t like you know when you're writing something and you go dash like I'm thinking of doing this dash so

exciting. It's like you know part punctuation in the sentence. Their one is longer from chatchipati So you can tell. And you can just tell because chat chitubit uses things like and furthermore or like, and on that thought or like stuff like that. And I'm like, oh. Okay, but you know what I would do? I would be like, I call my chat chat. I'd be like chat, we cannot use furthermore. Moving forward, we cannot use a long dash. You're going to have to use a short dash. I talk to it like a friend. So the people who use it like you, who write me an email with chat chabit, but remove all those things and make it more personal, I love emailing with because I'm like, good, you're smart. You've hacked to the system.

You know what you're doing. But I think AI is one of those things like, unfortunately it's not going anywhere. Well, sorry, we're not using the word unfortunately. Oh, but AI is not going anywhere. So lean in and use it the way you can because, you know, the next person's going to use it and then grow their business way bigger and blow you out of the water. It's so true. Like you could literally be like chat.

I've grown my business. And you've probably already done this. But like I've grown my business heaven mayhem in three years to a $10 million business with no funding. Next year I want to take it to this amount. What products are missing and why? And it is, it will literally be like a business partner to you. Yeah. But you do have to massage it. You have to massage it and you have to pick and choose. They might tell you what products are missing and why. And they tell you 10 things that is so stupid. But one of them is a good idea if you tweak it. Yes. Can I tell you a crazy controversial way that I've used chaty BT? Please deal. So you can make different chats.

I've named one chat as peer mentor. I'm not going to say who I modeled it off, but I got Chattybti to go through the whole internet, podcast, everything with this person. And now this one chat only speaks like my mentor. It's a woman. So I'll say to her, hey, what should I do in business? And she will speak to me the way she speaks. It's like she has written it herself.

But it's not her. It's just ChattyBT. And it's pretty much like me talking to myself at this point because, you know, it's fake. but it just is like another person in the room like making me do the right things. So what she's saying is that she's literally business partners in a weird way with her mentor. Yeah. That's why this, that's why I think. It's like having my mentor on speed dial, like should I place this order?

What should I respond to this? Should I do this? And they'll say things like in the exact way that this person would speak, the exact tone, everything. They say things like, go for it. You trust yourself. You should do it. This is why, though, I think that there is a real strategy and purpose and intention around the way you use it. And if you're strategic enough, you can really, really accelerate yourself.

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It's so wild because this morning when I was asking it about the thyroid medicine with the dog, it was like, it was not like the undertone of it was like, get the dog to the doctor. It wasn't like, oh, here's some steps. It was like, this is an emergency with like emojis. Yeah, they use emoji. Like it almost had an attitude towards me, which I was like loving. Yeah. I will say one thing.

Sometimes it has a little mind of its own and decides things. Like I put a blood test in the other day and it's like, this level's great. I'm like, I didn't test for that level. show me the exact result and it comes back, oh, you're right, that was our mistake, that was my mistake, that level wasn't tested on this, but everything else. You know what I say to it? Are you ready? I go, let's not make mistakes again. I love it. I talk to it like a literal team member. Like not in a mean way. Like I'm like, next time can you please not make this mistake? Do you say please and thank you? Yeah, me too. Someone was looking at my chat. They're like, you say please and thank you. I'm like,

how dare you not? Well, it's good practice. Exactly. But I talk to it like I would. talk to it like a real person. And so everyone who is messaging me like, what's your prompt? It's not a prompt. It's like I'm literally doing a stream of consciousness and it's giving me back organization of the stream of consciousness. Does that make sense? Okay. I knew I knew you would have a tip for that. I wanted to ask you that earlier. Okay. Let's go back to your morning. Wake up, journal a bit. I'll make a bone broth. I'll go back down. I'll work out. I either go to a trainer or I do Pilates at home. I'll get ready. I always get ready every single day, like skincare, makeup and an outfit with not a sneaker, not gym clothes ever. Like gym clothes for the gym and to go for a walk. That's it. But never

gym closed to the office. Never. Why? Track suit, never. Why? Oh my God. Why? I don't feel like my best self. I don't feel like my most productive self. I'm trying to be this like step into this like boss CEO energy. It's such good advice. But it's not even a decision I have to make these days. It's not. not like I'm like, please let me wear gym clothes or trackies. It's like, I don't want to. I feel dirty. I feel unproductive. Like, as if. So you're waiting. As if. So you're waking, when you're getting ready, you're getting ready like you would like really get ready. Yeah. Get ready every day. It's not like there's no track suit. There's no comfortable. No. You're in a heel walking around. I mean, maybe not a heel. I'll wear like a loafer and like a loose pad. That's comfortable.

Okay. But like get ready every day. Okay. And so by then, what time are we in the office? Oh my God. It's annoying. You said 8.30, right? Yeah, 8.30. But on a Monday, I try and be there by 7 because I can get two hours of work before anyone comes in. It feels like it's 5pm at 11 a.m. I've got so much done. And you have a team of eight. Is that correct? Yeah. So when the team comes in, is it collaborative time? Or is it like more focused on like what you're doing in your own office? A bit of both. It's a shared space. So I don't have my own office. We all sit together. I listen to what they say. I'll chime in. I'll quickly ask a question across the room, which is why I like being in the office. I don't like typing in and calling someone. It's like, hey, where was that? Oh, do you have that? It's like a collaborative. And then we have a couple of team meetings and then we'll have one-on-ones or like little huddles of whoever is needed. But it's a big collaborative vibe. Your husband is very successful. There's sort of like a him and her situation going on with you and your husband. I feel like you guys probably, I'm guessing, bring the business home. Is it very fluid like me and Michael? It is so fluid.

to the point where like this morning he's cuddling me in bed and I'm like, oh, I don't know how much, I don't know what I'm going to do about the next tariffs. And he's like, yeah, well, they're going to come in then. And I'm like, okay, cool. Have you got the dog up yet? Like, it's just part of the conversation. It's just part of our everyday life. And never would someone be like, enough work. Like, it's our lives. Like, it's all we talk about. That's exactly how Michael and I feel when people ask about that. It's like, it's just, we've created a life that we love and a work that we love. and it's all intertwined and mixed in like soup. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And that's just the way we love it. So I guess my question for you about your husband is, what does he bring to the table that you don't when it comes to business? Oh my gosh, it's so good because we have quite different personalities. And so to get to fix one problem, I'll go about it like this and he'll go about it like this and we'll get to the same issue, but totally different. So it's amazing when I need his advice for something, I either choose to take it or leave it, but like it'll always be the opposite of what I would have done and often get me there the right way or the

quicker way or something. But it's just so funny how we have different opinions. Who's getting there quicker you or him? Depends what it is. Something emotional with someone in a conversation, a hard conversation, 100% me, but something operational and like a yes or no kind of answer, I'll try and dip around because I don't want to do operations and he'll just know the decision. Interesting. Yeah. So you guys make a good partnership. Yeah, I think so. But I'm so bossy. Oh, that's okay. They love bossy. Imagine what's the opposite of bossy? What? Kind of like a pushover.

Yeah, push over. I'm definitely not a pushover. I mean, I can imagine you as a little girl. I'm just going to guess that you were bossing everybody around. Everyone. I have a younger brother five years younger, so I was an only child for a bit. And then I had like someone to boss around nonstop. Very bossy.

Very like, I hate to say it, but I do like things my way. Especially at home. But like with my team, if my team disagrees with me, that's like my favorite thing. I love it. I'm like, we're doing this. I hope the team's listening. I hope the team's listening. We're doing this. We're doing this. We're doing this. And someone say, I kind of like that. And I'm like, all right, we'll do your way. I love it. Because I like to, like, you know, other people's opinions are good. Yeah. Other people. Like, let's get that. Taylor, did you hear that? Okay. Go shop our box. Yes. That sounds so sexual, but that's right up your alley.

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