The Bossticks - Real Housewife Jill Zarin & Ally Shapiro On Housewives Juice, The History Of The Show, & How A Franchise Was Born

Episode Date: November 1, 2021

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The following podcast is a dear media production. She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire. Fantastic. And he's a serial entrepreneur. A very smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you alone for the ride. Get ready for some major realness. Welcome to the skinny confidential, him and her.

According to my family, he said I was changing and it was going to my head and I needed to get grounded. And I had a lot of anxiety with the show. That summer, they wouldn't tell us if we were coming back or not, and that gave me enormous anxiety. Like, I needed to know, what am I doing in the fall? Am I on it? Am I off? Am I traveling? You know, that anxiety is what ultimately led to my demise because I quit on an email and then I got fired.

A little fun fact about Michael. What's that? He loves, and I mean he fucking loves, housewife juice. I love the juice in general, but yeah, I like the housewife juice. He loves housewife juice. And who doesn't? I don't know. I'm not afraid to see it. Today I was watching Potomac and he was peripheraling the TV so hard. I had to be like, can you get out of my personal space? Well, I get a little confused because you'd bounce around on seasons and I only watched the most recent ones. Like I'm all caught up. So I was watching. I was confused because there was two characters on there that I thought didn't like each other, but they were friendly in, you know what I'm saying? Because it was an older season. You're really invested. You get committed to housewives. And here's what I will say. One of your favorite seasons is, New York. Well, I love New York. I think New York's the, I think that's the, they're the top of the top on the franchise. I got to say Potomac's my favorite because the shade that they throw in that show is out of control. Do not sleep on Potomac.

But I will say New York is right up there. I like the energy the New Yorkers bring. But I got to say, I fell in love with New York because of Jill Zerrin. So to have her on the podcast today is just so iconic. And I think even if you don't watch Housewives, you're going to love this episode because we did a mother-daughter interview. with Jill and her daughter, Ali. And they really open up about how it is to work together, housewives secrets and juice. Jill definitely spills the tea and so does Alley. And then they talked about being entrepreneurs and living in New York.

And it's really interesting. They both have had a very, very wild life. So I think you guys are going to like this episode. Did I just fuck up our chances for getting any of the other franchises on the show? You might have. I'm sticking by what I say. New Yorkers bring it. I don't care.

Whatever. New Yorkers bring it. Jill. Maybe they come on the show and show me something different. I don't know, but I'm sticking with the New York one. Jill brought it. So first we'll start with Jill Zarin. Who is Jill Zarin?

She is one of the original cast members of Bravo's television Real Housewives of New York. She is no stranger to the spotlight. And she has created a major career in fashion and textiles before even being taped for Real Housewives. She now has a business with her daughter, Ali Shapiro, who is also a New Yorker. Ali was on the show. She was one of my favorite kids. I am invested in the kids. I really commit to them. So, Ali, I love you. I adore you. She is the creative

director of the on the rise fashion brand Jill and Allie, which they run together. And we're going to get into it on this episode. Definitely waiting to the end of this episode. There's a major giveaway. I hope you love this. We recorded this in New York live with both of them. Enjoy. This is the skinny confidential, him and her. Okay. I am so excited to have Jill and her and her. Ali in studio right now, I have to tell you, you're one of my favorite housewives and you're one of my favorite housewives' children. This is pretty iconic. Thank you. Thank you for having us. You guys are OG. Yes, that is true. I think I call myself number six. Number six. I'm number six housewife because Vicki, I think Jenna, Jenna, Jenny. Wait, what's her name? Gina? Sorry, Gina.

Kiyug was number one, I believe. And then like Vicky and whatever, so I'm like number six. Because she was first on New York. She helped cast in New York. And I think there's way over a hundred. You helped cast New York. How did you do that? Like, tell us how you got a approach.

It wasn't really like in purpose. It was crazy. So they got greenlit. The Shed Media got greenlit to do a show called Manhattan Moms. That's what was originally called. And they were hired by Bravo. And they were told, go find people who fit this criteria. And the criteria was they wanted moms who were,

wealthy with kids in private school. And they thought that that would make a dramatic reality show. So they didn't know where to go to look because these kids are the kids, they're like 20 year olds, are working in this office in L.A. trying to find people to fit this. How are they going to get them? They're not even in New York, let alone run in that circle. So at the time, there really wasn't the internet the way it is today. So there was a website called New York Social Diary. And that was kind of where all the socialites would be written about. It's kind of like instead of it being in paper like it used to be, it was there. The guest of a guest.

My guest of a guest, that kind of thing. So, Allie and I had gone to a charity event not long before, and our photo was on it, and he saw a good picture of the two of us. And this 21-year-old boy named James Davis called me up on the phone and said, he left a message on my machine. I wish I still had the answer machine. But I remember exactly what he said. That was 2005, I think, five or six.

And he said, hi, my name is James Davis. I'm calling from Rickett-Shoe television. We produced Super Nanny, and we're doing a new reality show about glamorous New York moms. If you're interested, give me a call. Just like that. And I said to Bobby, what, you know, should I call? He goes, absolutely cool. And that's like the beginning and the rest is history.

So was Bobby on board right away? Right away. He wanted to do reality television. You know, I had just done the Gastonaut Girls with Lisa Gastonau. I wasn't a main character, but I decorated her house on the show, even though I got like no airtime. It was so not worth it. But I learned a lot about it because I. I was there while she was filming.

So I was intrigued by it. Sure, when I saw Lisa with the lights and the cameras, I'm like, I'd like to do that. Why not? I'd love to have a camera follow me around. I have a great life. And what was the backstory with you and Bobby before Housewives? How did you guys meet? Do you think of him as a second dad?

Is he or your dad? Like, what's the backstory on Bobby? So, well, I guess the backstory on me is that I was married to Allison's dad when I was 24 years old, 23, almost 24. And I had Ali when I was almost 30. and, you know, dad and I, best of friends, but the romance was gone. So we decided to get divorced. And shortly after that, I met Bobby, Zaron, who was separated also.

And we started to date and a year and a half later about, we got married. Ali was about six. I think. Yeah. Yeah. And we didn't know, we didn't know what to do when we first started, when we first together socially because, you know, he had friends together with his wife and went with his wife. And I did have some friends who stayed with me.

and someone with Stephen. So we needed to kind of start our own thing. So I lived in Waterside, which is on the East River. It's a bunch of like kind of middle-income housing where my in-laws lived and we lived and Stephen's brothers lived. We all lived there. It was so great because there was a plaza in the middle and these four high-rise buildings.

It was great. But we lived on the water. So I look out the window and there's a marina down below. Now they only have big charter boats, but back then they had private boats. And we looked downstairs and we said, you know, maybe we should get a boat because we don't really know what to do this summer.

We don't really have that many friends. So maybe we should get a boat and we'll go to different places and see where we'd like. We'll go to Connecticut. We'll go to the Hamptons. You know, it's to go to the Jersey Shore. So we literally got in the car. We went down to the west side of New York City downtown. And there was Surfside Marina.

I had a place there, which is a boat dealership. They sell sea rays. And we like bought a boat. And you just sailed around on this boat all around the East Coast. Well, we didn't know what to do. Once we got the boat, we didn't have to drive the boat. I mean, that was like another whole thing. We got this 40-foot boat.

We had no idea how to drive. So now I'm at the mercy of captains that, you know, don't want to work. and it became very difficult, very fast. So I had to learn how to drive the boat. So I went to boating school. Oh, my gosh. I got my license. I'm serious.

And while I was in school and learning how to drive and go back, you know, backing into the slip, back and forth, back and forth, the owner of Sea Ray comes over. The owner of the dealership comes over to me and says, we just got a brand new 50-foot Se-ray Sundancer. It just came in. It's on, like, bricks out of the water. You got to see it. So I'm like, oh, my God.

This is eight weeks after we got our first boat. So we get on the boat and it's gorgeous. It's like a discotheque in there. It had these disco lights. I remember the back couch and it had, you know, three state rooms. It was a beautiful boat. And Bobby says that when he pulled up to pick me up from that day in boating, that I was like doing backwards somersaults down the driveway.

And when I got to him, I'm like, you got to get me this boat. And he did. And then he upgraded my boat in eight weeks. That's about boat. Boating's all about upgrading. You know, you never happy with what you have. You always have to get a bigger, better boat. And then you get out of boating.

But we had a 50-foot boat for a couple years and then we got a 72-foot because I couldn't drive anymore. I couldn't take it. The pressure. So you're just living on a boat this whole time. Well, in the summer. Okay. And you're the perfect person to drive the boat because you're not a big drinker. I don't drink. So I was driving the boat when it was small. When it got to 72 feet, I hired

a captain and a mate. And we did that for a couple years. And then I, you know, if I only put my money in real estate instead of a boat, I can't even tell you. The point is she was a big socialite and got recognized to be whatever. But at the time, there weren't really any other reality show. So it wasn't like we knew what could happen. There was no Kardashians.

There was no Instagram. The only thing there was Lisa Gaston now show and the Osbournes. Yeah. That was the Osbournes. One thing that I think is so great about Bobby, I just have to mention this, is that he had so much charisma and that really came through the show. And I think that sometimes the husbands, they're either pissed off that they're on the show or they're trying to get the limelight. There's like so many dynamics or they're going to get a divorce. But with Bobby, he seemed like he was different. He supported you, but he was comfortable with being a little... Yes. Yes. Yes. Well, there can only be one peacock in the family in relationship. Right. That's in the book. We wrote a book, Secrets of a Jewish mother. In the book, it says there can only be one peacock in a family.

Yes. And I was the peacock. That's the peacock. You can't be the peacock. No, no, no. And he has to be okay with that. Otherwise, the marriages don't usually last. Okay. So, by the way, if you think about some of the divorces that have happened on housewives, you can see how the husband wanted to become the peacock. It was strange to watch that too. Like when the husband's doing that, it feels very awkward to watch. It does when they try to steal the limelight. Yeah. It is uncomfortable.

There can only be one peacock in a housewives cast, too. That's right. Oh, yeah. You know, that's why the housewives is what it is because you've got like five peacocks fighting for the lead, you know. So tell them how you helped cast it. I interviewed for the show. I gave them an audition tape, which was really, you know, take a video like this,

do five minutes. Like, what are they asking you in that audition? Oh, it's your own tape. Yeah. There were no questions. It was like, I was hanging out. Tell us, it's tell us, put your, uh, tape telling us about yourself. So, of course, you want to show the, you know, I'm Jill Zarin and it's my daughter,

Ali, and she goes to school at Birch and, you know, she was how old, 13 years old? Or I don't even know how old you are. Is Birch like an amazing school? No. It's very small private school in that reason. Okay. Luann's children went there too. Right.

Which is so funny. So did you start casting who you would bring together in this videotape or no? No. was way premature. So once I got cast, so to speak, and they liked it, they told me that they weren't going to be doing the show, that they were going to be doing, I forgot the name of it, producing another show that was on ABC or something and that this was not greenlit, which I, of course, I didn't even know what that meant, but I learned that greenlit meant that they're going to do the show. There was no red lit, though. So there was no redlet, but it wasn't greenlit.

So that was it. I went on with my life. And I remember exactly one day I was in the Hamptons with you at Saxo, and we were at Saxo Avenue. And I was. I get a phone call from Bravo saying that they got the green light. And I'm like, well, that's great, but I'm in the Hamptons. So, you know, I guess we can't do it. And they're like, no, no, no, no. We could start it in the Hamptons. We wanted it to be real.

And but we have a problem. We don't have anybody else. We just have you. And we have this other couple that you don't know from Brooklyn, which was Alex and Simon. So can you help us find other people? Because it's better if the show, if they're connected. And one by one, I found them. Not found them.

I introduced them to a lot of friends of mine, but they turned them down for whatever reason. Bethany, I ran into a polo. We were not friends, friends. We knew each other, friendly enough. Because she was on the Martha Stewart Apprentice. Because she was on the Martha Stewart Apprentice, I thought of her.

And Bobby's actually the one who went over to Bethany of Polo and said, listen, Jill just got asked to do this TV show. We think you might be interested in it. You know, do you want to know anything about it? And when I told her what it was about, she wasn't married and didn't have kids. but she had her boyfriend Jason standing there. And I'm like, well, Jason was married and he has kids.

So it could be the story of you wanting, you know, wanting that. And she thought it was an okay idea. And I called Andy Cohn. And you know, it's so funny. Andy Cohn was once asked, I'll never forget this. Who calls you in the past the most of all the housewives? And he said Jill Zarin. And I laughed because the reason I called him so much was to get Bethany on the show.

Whoa. That's why I called him so much. When he counts up all the times I called him, if he looks over the history. I mean, I speak to Andy on text often, often. I mean, not every day, not even every month, but often enough. And he always responds right away. But I'm just saying that when he said, who calls you the most, I think what he was remembering is at the beginning of the show.

Because when the show started going, I didn't call him very often. And he was the executive producer? Yes. He was the boss. He still is. Why is it so hard to find a good protein powder? I cannot believe all the added shit that are in so many of these protein powders on the internet, which is why I could not be more excited that ritual launched a protein powder. Okay.

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That's ritual.com slash skinny. Was there synergy when you put? together everyone and you guys finally got the show up and running. Was there synergy right away? Did you see the chemistry? Was there magic right away? What was your vibe on that? I knew the show would be a big hit. You did? I did. Because of who? I think we all did. Looking back because of all of you? And by the way, I knew it. So I did so I collected things because I had a feeling. So I'm like the only person in the world that has memorabilia that's signed by the original five, including me and Bethany. Open a museum. I should. I mean, I have, there's the big posters that were. The big posters that

done season three that was a giveaway in AM magazine. It was this big photo of the cover shoot. I got four of those autographed by all of us. Were you, Simon and Alex were definitely quirky. Were you into that at first? I forgot about those too. How could you forget? Honestly, I think they were the best of all the seasons.

I think having Simon and Alex on is a big hole. That kind of a character. People love them. Like John Legend, Christy Teigen. Love them or love to hate them. She could bring anyone back. it would be Alex and Simon. Because they...

What happened to them? You know what? He tried to make a living here after as a hotelier, and he just couldn't because the haters were like calling the hotel. How is so mean? Come on. It was horrible. He got fired because of it.

And they moved back to Australia where he's from. And he became a lawyer, and she got a PhD in psychology. Good for them. And I follow them on Instagram and the kids who were little babies, Francois and Johan, you know, six feet tall. So crazy. Yeah, that's, people need to be nice. That's so mean.

That's his livelihood. It was horrible. Yeah. But you know what? Honestly, back then, he was evil too. Well, maybe. And that's part of the reason he had to leave. He had to get away from it.

He completely turned into a monster. Like, he would sit in his basement literally and write the most disgusting things about me, about about my family. Oh, yeah, he and I were at it bad. And there were like websites you could blog on before Instagram. And you couldn't. Like, I hate, Jolzarin.com. What do you think the reason is that, like,

They don't have that. Relationships like that on these shows can get so nasty. Right? Because it obviously doesn't start that way when you're going to filming with the cast. Well, I think it's very complicated. But part of it is they call it camera balls. That's what I call it. And when the camera's on you like that with the lights and whatever, I think that people will say and do certain things that they would never do in their real life. It's kind of like, you know, they talk about what people will do in a group versus alone. You know, when they do bad things. You know, the group mentality, you would never do alone. like when kids are doing bad things. Like, let's be stealing or something.

Or whatever. You're playing it up a little bit more. You're amplifying it. I think that when you've got, yeah, and also you know you're being filmed in the back of your head and you want to make good television. Also, when you see something on TV, it's edited, right? So you always film four hours at a time in groups.

You know, in the morning it's four hours in the afternoon. They only, it takes 45 hours to make a 45-minute show. 45 hours to make a filming. Of filming. Of filming. Of filming. When were you... At least.

When were you doing all this and you both felt an epiphany and something shifted and you're like, I know you said you knew it was going to be big, but when did something happen that you were like, whoa? I don't know if there was one. Yes, there was. Okay. After the second season, when you saw yourself on the bus, it was when you knew I think that it was like a huge...

Well, that was a big thing for me. Like, I feel like I hit my personal goal in life. And by the way, it was a goal I never had until I, you know, on television. But, you know, you see the buses in New York City all day with these big ads on them. And, you know, you just kind of be like, what would it be like to have my picture on one of those? And, of course, why would it ever be? I mean, unless I wanted to pay for it. You know, I always said it would be so great to see the show on there. And I was told that Bravo would never, ever buy buses for New York or any housewise. But what happened was that year Project Runway got yanked from the network,

and they had a hole in their advertising. And they put Housewives of New York in and we got on the buses. And I was like, oh my God. But I don't think there was ever a time when we were actually filming that we looked around and was like, oh my God, this is. We did because you don't realize. It was unbelievable. What about people? Yeah, I think it's all the after stuff. Recognizing you on the street. When when that started to happen, did you really think, whoa, do people come up to you? Do they sit and take pictures of you secretly? How does that work? Every day. Still, but I don't notice it. Usually it's Ali or Gary who will say, did you see that? And I'm completely oblivious. And I'm not faking it. That's probably a good thing. That's probably a good thing.

Both of you guys are. I just don't even think of myself as famous. I just think that people are very friendly. And so I'm very friendly back. But if you think about it, we haven't been on TV in over 10 years, we stopped in 2011. Yeah, but she's crazy. There's some housewives that are iconic. They're just, there's some that, you know. So who are yours? Vicki Gumvilsen's iconic. I mean, come on. She's like, she's like the OG. She's the OG of the OG. Savannah Pump's iconic. I think with the Utah cast Meredith Marks is a standout star. Even the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the. The O. The. The. The. The. The. The. The. The. The. The. the one, Mary, who's married to her grandfather. Like, I mean, you know, that cast couldn't be better. You know what, though? People are sleeping on Potomac. Potomac. I haven't watched it the whole season. You got to start from the beginning season one. There's so much dynamic. Oh, no, I saw it last year when they were fighting. So good. But now that Wendy, you know, all of a sudden is dressed like crazy S&M and, you know, all things out. Was she the one who's a professor? Yeah, she's a professor. But this season, she totally changed up her vibe and she got boob implants and her butt done and she's letting them hang out.

Well, better tune in. Yeah, why aren't you tuning in? You're missing out. She named her boobs happy and nests. So you're missing out on happiness. Oh my God, that's such a great thing. I missed Washington, D.C. With the Sahle.

I mean, why did they cancel that? And Miami was good too. Miami's back. I can't wait. But on Peacock. Okay, but how do we get you back? Yes and no. You know what, though?

They didn't put the original cast back. I think there was so much. How do you not put Leah on? I think there was like naivete, I guess, and the first few seasons were like we genuinely were real. I was going to school every day with Luann's kids. Like, we were actually friends in the same circle of friends.

Alex and Simon had that, like, genuineness of being fresh to New York, trying to be in the scene that everyone wants to be in. And I think that's why it really worked, because even though you weren't best friends before, like, you did become good friends. I just think that, you know, casting-wise... I think it's very hard for them to find a cast now because everyone's so aware of what the show is, what it comes with.

And the ones who want to do what they don't want, and the ones that they want, don't want to do it. And that's the problem. Because people have a brand or have an agenda. They don't want them because they don't want you to come on and just sell your shit, even though we all do. But come on and just sell your stuff or have an agenda. But because of the show and what it is,

and then the ones they really want, which are really rich and whatever, they didn't have got to do this show. They wanted, like, the Lee Vanderwoodson. They wanted the real gossip girl moms. You know, they wanted the socialites and, these rich fabulous women that travel over the world and now those people

are scared to be on reality TV. Like Tinsley was the right. Tinsley was legit. Tinsley was like a real social life back in the day. Still is. I mean, where she is the summer in Newport. I mean, you know.

Newport, Rhode Island. Rhode Island. Is that, is that a place? Oh, Newport, Rhode Island was where all the, you know, the Vanderbiltz and the, you know, the Fords and the big mansions. You were thinking Newport. I was thinking Newport County.

I'm like, well, I mean, that's beautiful too. Newport has the big mansions on the ocean and it's very waspy and old money. Oh, little vacation. It's like Palm Beach up in this. It's where the Palm Beach people go in the summer. Okay. Oh, wow. See, I feel like you have all the intel.

Well, I'm Jewish, so it's really not my people. My people used to not do Palm Beach, although we do what the Jews have definitely infiltrated Palm Beach, but there's still many clubs that do not allow Jews. What is your relationship like with, with, like, Luanne and all these housewives that you want on? Okay, name them and I'll tell you. Luanne. Best friends. Talk to her all the time. She's in the south of France right now. She went to Switzerland. She had like a wedding or party or something. And she will be back soon. She's never looked better in her life.

She goes from being very thin to little fluffy. I always say when she's, you know, like fat and happy. Because when she's been the happiest, she's really, really thin. She'll put on a few because she's, you know, comfortable. But right now she is so slim in the best shape of her life. She's got multiple male suitors who want her. She's got one guy she's got her eyes on from Mexico who's absolutely dropped dead gorgeous. and the sweetest thing you've ever met, a little younger. But I think it's okay, you know, for her. I think it works for her. I really do.

What about housewives from other places? Who do you love? Well, I try to speak to the ones who I, you know, have a relate, you know, reach out like Vicky out of that group. And it's hard to be friends with, really friends with more than one in a group because they're fighting. Oh, I didn't think about that. Right.

So I'm very good friends with Vicki. Cynthia Bailey. Cynthia from Atlanta. But I, you know, I just texted with Nini yesterday. her husband's, you know, in hospice. Oh. Yeah. He was...

I thought he had passed and I felt terrible because I said, you know, I'm so sorry. She goes, no, no, no, he's still... He's... But he's in hospice. Well, I bet you could be a good friend for her and be there for... Yeah, I bet you have a lot of... Yeah, because it's going to be, you know, she's strong. And Greg and Bobby were very close.

Well, they were? I don't know about very close. They were very similar. You know, they were very supportive of their wives and, you know, quite... But Greg got more active, I think, than Bobby ever did. Well, Bobby stayed on it longer. Who knows? Who knows?

Your new relationship. Can you need to give us a little juice? Gawie Booty. Yeah, tell us about your new... Gowie Bodie. He's... I told you off air. I said he's hot.

He is hot. Yeah, he's hot. You know, I never thought I'd like a guy with a bald head. How'd you guys meet? Tennis. Huge. So were you just out playing tennis and you saw him?

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No, no, I said. He said that. And I said to him, I said, like, something like, well, aren't you, you full, you know, aren't you fully yourself? I never even thought about it. I just want to play tennis. Oh, then he wants more. I said, I said, don't give yourself.

I said, don't give yourself so much credit. That's what I said. I said, don't give yourself so much credit. I'm not interested. Happily married. My husband's waiting upstairs. But he didn't want to play tennis with me anymore. And so I ran into him at tennis a couple of times at different places.

And then we actually both were invited to the inauguration. and we both went. Wow. What was that like? It was amazing, you know, to be at the inauguration in the United States, whatever president is. You know, it wasn't about politics. It was really just about being invited to go VIP to see the inauguration. What do you do?

Do you have to go through all the Secret Service stuff? A lot of through that. Well, yeah, no, your name and everything has gone through Secret Service was you sitting into special area. But we had these buses that took us. They were like six family buses, family and friends buses that took you right up to the Capitol, right next door. So you get out and got your seat.

We were pretty close to the stage, not very. What was the connection there? How does one get invited to an inauguration? Well, I was on the board of Eric Trump's foundation. Okay. Back when he was 21 years old, 22, he started it and all the money goes to St. Jude Hospital, despite what people have said. It is an incredible charity. He's an incredibly charitable person. He started this at a very young age. And he got as much free stuff given to him free so that more money, like 99% or whatever, could go to the charity. So he got a really bad rap when his father became president because it just kind of. and went with the territory. Regardless of politics, what he did was so good for St. Jude. By the time he stopped, he had raised over $25 million for them. I mean, he built an emergency room for them. You're very into your philanthropy and charity, too.

Can you speak on that? Well, you know, it's funny because there's literally happening to me right now. You know, sometimes it's on a global level like that. With our Jill and Allie company, which we haven't talked about yet, our Jill and Allie masks, we did it as a give back. We buy one mask. We give one to a health care worker or someone in Nien. Yeah. So right now we're getting to teachers because back to school's happening.

Oh, we did like 20 yesterday. I saw them go through. We just charged $5 for shipping and we give them like, you know, a million masks and they can give it out to whoever. It was really meant in the beginning for nurses and frontline workers. And now we're giving them to teachers because they need them. So we do that. And then we also had to go fund me at the beginning of the pandemic that raised money to I funded it first with like $10,000. And then I asked for people to donate. And we fed how many? Like thousands of nurses and doctors across the- country. We would just ask people, like we said, if you give $500 and set it up at your hospital. So you tell us who, where you want to go, and we will find out and send it there. So all we did is we were experts at it. What can we support what you guys are doing as an audience in a community? What can we do? Well, the GoFundee, we're not really doing that anymore. But the mask would be great. Should we give the code now? We'll give a code at the end, you guys. And I'm going to tell you

the mask to get because Michael's wearing one that's so hot. You know, we always have sales on the site, especially now with COVID, going. up and down. We have a lot of masks. So we're saying. Right. Not only they give back masks, but like, so you feel good when you wear it, but also they're actually so comfortable. It's really cool. But you know, now I'm dealing with, it's funny, a distant relative of mine, who I only met once or twice, a young girl who we didn't have a relationship with really because of bullshit in the family at the top. You know, the great aunts and uncles had a big fight. And then the families never said. And then so the children never really met each other. But coincidentally, she worked

at a store that we go to and we met this cousin of ours. And, and we met this cousin of ours. And, and And fast forward a few years, I got an email, Alie got an email from her saying she's in trouble. She's in Israel. And she went into a real clinical depression. And she needs to be in a facility longer. And she ran out of money. She has no more money. She can't pay for it.

And she's desperate. She didn't know who to go to it because her parents don't have it. She has no family. And I just got off the phone with her when I got here. I was on the phone with her for an hour. And I'm going to be her benefactor. I'm going to make sure she stays in this treatment center because I can. I can't do it for everyone, you know.

But she's family. Amazing. But family. And I heard her voice and her story. And I believe in her and I think that she can get better. Allie, what is something that your mom has really taught you and instilled in you? What are like some three things that you think have been really powerful lessons? Ooh.

I don't know if this is a lesson, but it's something that I use a lot in regards to friends. I think I'm 28. I'm at a stage now where I'm like, and also after COVID, I think people have moved a lot. You guys have moved. A lot of my friends have left New York, come back to New York. So I think I'm in this new phase of life where I'm out of my college friends.

I'm out of work friends because I don't have, you know, co-workers anymore. And she has this concept, basically, that your friend groups, your friends are like a theater. So you have your orchestra, you have your balcony. You know, you have this theater full of friends. But at different times in your life,

some are more closer to you, some are further away, somewhere above. Then they moved to the balcony. She used it with Bethany when she was friends with Bethany. housewise friends in general. But I think for me, like, I have all these friends I've gathered from high school, from college, from work, from all over the world. And sometimes they're in your front row.

Sometimes they're in your balcony, but they're there. So when you need them for certain things, they're there for you. But, like, other times maybe they're not your best friend right now. So I feel like I use that a lot because I can't get upset anymore when, like, a friend doesn't call me every day. But maybe that's just like we're not at that place anymore. Michael recently microdosed mushrooms and had this exact conversation. Did you?

Like literally exactly. By the way, everyone's microdust mushrooms in summary. What is microdusts mean? In my case, it might have been a new worth of taking. It might have been a macro dose in my case. So you can relate to what I'm saying. I can't. But in a way, but what I describe it as is like seasons.

So I think people get really bitter with, you know, things that, like, say you have a friend and then like that friendship stops for a while and you get really bitter about it. Like I think a better way to look as like seasons. Like, you know, you can look fondly back on like last winter or last spring and you can look forward to the next and realize like those those seasons can come and go again. I like the opera better. But yeah, it's a different. It's a different concept. It's more visual.

Yeah. I can't visualize the spring. Meaning like say you have a friend, right? And like I think a lot of people like they have a falling out with someone. And instead of being like, hey, I want to remember all the good times and like not hold like not be bitter about it. But like that was like a really good time in the past. And like maybe it's not anymore. But it was.

I think guys can do that. I don't think girls can do that. That may be true. Have you heard of like relationships or for a reason a season or a lifetime? Yes. Like that kind of thing. That's a good one. And I would say I probably said it better when I was in a mushroom haze.

You did actually. I'm kind of getting jealous. I've never done it, but it's getting more. Well, Jill, the next time I come back, you brought us chocolate cookies. I'll bring you some other chocolate. Oh. We'll bring you special chocolate brownies. Oh, my God.

I love that idea. I want to know. And this is how I described you to, obviously my husband watches the show. was out of his peripheral. He obviously knows who you guys are. But how I described you when I was saying, we're coming here, was someone who's a connector. You're very good at putting people together. You're sort of a visionary when it comes to that. And you are sort of, to me, you seem like you're friends with everybody. You have friends in all different kinds of places, even the person you told me that you were just texting with, like random different kinds of friends. What do you attribute that to?

That's an art. I was thinking about if I should ever write a book that it. it should be called the connector. Yeah, you should. And, you know, I was trying to think of one word to describe me because there's a game that I played once with a group of, actually it was family, but that I want to play again because I'm putting together something for a group and activities.

And it's where everybody writes down, you're all together and you all have pieces of paper. Let's say there's five people. We have five pieces of paper each. And everybody writes down one word to describe each person in the group. And then, you know, it's just fun reading them. You open it and you go, who do you think this describes? you know, and then you say, well, this was Jill or whatever.

And then whatever you have in front of you at the end, you have five words is really what people think of you. And I think connector is a really good word for me. My sister gave me a word, which now I can't remember, which was, oh, maximizer. And I'm like, wow, that's a good word. Where did you learn how? It's a finesse. It's a skill.

I think you're born with it. You think you can. What are your time for someone to be connected? I think I can teach it. Like what? But I definitely was born with it. and then the ability to teach it too. Teach us a couple tips.

Well, just, I mean, I have a whole bunch of tips that I give to kids coming out of college. Because I do like when I've done these appearances and things at colleges, I give them tips. Let's see, for connecting. Well, you know, just in life, say yes to everything. No shouldn't even be in your vocabulary. Unless it's illegal or, and not always,

but unless it's illegal, then you should say yes to everything. Because you never know, if you had said no, the doors that would not have opened. As soon as you say no, those other doors, don't open. So I would say another thing you've taught me is to be nice to everyone. I feel like especially on the housewives, a lot of people come off as maybe being bitchy or whatever, but it's that they're shy.

I can think of some like kids in particular that don't get the best reputation. No matter how you're, you know, portrayed on TV or on Instagram, whatever, making sure that you're so kind to people in real life because the world is so small, but it always comes back to you. Well, I learned that very young, just myself intuitively, that the essentially, that the essentially, assistant today is the president tomorrow. And I can't even tell you now how old I am that that really worked because I know people since I'm 21 working and some of those people are the presidents of like T.J. Max or Macy's or wherever. She's going to be the president of something. Exactly. Yeah, you never know.

Yeah, you better be, you better be nice. Well, I really work hard at people who work for me. I think that everybody who's worked for me has gone on to lead incredible careers. My last assistant is now an executive at Google and, you know, so don't worry, Ruby. It'll be all set. I just. train people I hopefully will. I want to hear more about the fabric business that you built because it kind of showcased it on the show, but I want to hear more about how you built it, how you guys got into business together, how it was working with your husband, because it can be very difficult. Well, I have to, I have to, and now it's more Jill and Alley. Right. I have to explain to you. So Zaron Fabrics is still alive and well and on the Lower East Side,

but I have nothing to do with it at all. After Bobby passed, he left the business to his son and they run the business. I got the real estate. Just saying. But out of the pandemic, we started this hobby, which I was tie-dying mass and became this huge business where now we do obviously the mask. You have apparel, accessories, are doing candles. The apparel is so cute. I'm really obsessed with the visiting day family reunion. Thank you. You guys, it was so much fun.

Teal and white. It's a pastel, so cute on the Instagram feed. It's a windbreaker. I'm going to put it on my Instagram story. And the phone charms are going to love. We're going to have to see you in a few months. We'll send it to you. We're coming out with crystal candles.

Candles that have a manifestation of the crystal like a rose quartz is love. And it has two giant, like 50-carat, if you wanted it like huge chunks of crystals, two of them in a candle and the sayings of what it does for you. And they're going to be on a website. We need a connector candle. We need a connector candle. Yeah, I'm sorry. I need a connector candle.

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skinny. That's ROTHYS.com slash skinny. Head to Rathies.com. slash skinny to find your new favorites today. So on the connecting thing, two big hints for connecting. When you're in a group, always put your hand out because nobody will never take it. It's like virtually impossible. Even with COVID. Well, COVID's a little wonky, I have to say, because some people don't want to, including myself, but just in general, that was always my thing and smile all the time.

Because smiling says you're open to having someone talk to you. And if you're not smiling, then people aren't going to come over. You're not approachable. Also, you always, which was like a joke on the Housewives said your full name. Hi, I'm Jill Zarin. Hi, I'm Jill. It was never high I'm Jill. Branted myself.

Right. Immediately. Actually, you know who did that for me? Bethany. Oh. She was the one who's talking about the Jill's Avon. Not Bethany Frankl. I know, but for me, she gave me like that fabric, you know, Valzeran.

Can you remind me? Who was on that original cast? Was Ramona there in the beginning? Oh, yes. Oh, we have to talk about you and Ramona. Ramona. Sonia was later. You guys had a cute relationship.

And you knew Sonia in Ramon? I didn't know Sonia very well. Ramona and I had played tennis in the Hamptons prior to me, us both being cast on the show. So we had a real authentic relationship. Like I said, I knew Bethany. And Luan was a new friend, but we made friends. You know, you get close fast doing a show. But Luan he brought on.

But Luan was very loyal to me because I brought her on. She always had my back. What is Ramona really how she is on the show in person? Exactly. That's what makes a good housewife, by the way, in my opinion. They're exactly who they are. I'm like, I'm not as in it in the world as, as Lauren and obviously you, but I think that New York is always the most iconic seasons because the characters are just so. But I don't think this season worked.

Maybe not this season. But they didn't even do a reunion. I don't even think it was the whole thing to go away. The subjects or the topics like that, like that's, we everyone can debate about that. What I don't know if it worked is I don't know if the medley of the people work together. Does that make sense? Well, I think the age is Woonkey. You know, you've got 62-year-old, 60, I think LeMont is under 65, but like 63 or something.

And you've got a 30-something-year-old. I mean, how does that work? So there's disconnect. She could be her daughter. Well, because I think when I used to watch it in the past, I actually didn't watch this season. But when I, it seemed like you guys would all be in the same circles. Like it doesn't, you watch this one, it doesn't seem like the people would be in the same circles. They're forcing them together.

And then they force them into these, you know, force them into these friendships, which are not real. Like, we, we just interviewed. I don't know if you guys ever watch Vanderpenter. Oh, yes. I know Lala. And I think the reason that show is such a phenomenon does so well is like all of those people in real life are so connected. And that drama's real.

And the new one's coming in. It's harder. Here's my pitch. Bravo. Jill Zeran needs to cast, recast the show for New York. Let's start clean. We need to refresh it. Bring back the nostalgic vibes.

I definitely have a cast. Oh, she has a cast. She has a cast. She has a cast. Of course I have a kiss. She has a cast. I'm ready to go. I think we need Jill Zerrin,

producing the next season. That definitely will never happen. But I appreciate, I appreciate the love. You know what we just said? You know what host of reunion? Something? I need a little Jill Zerran. We just had Spencer Pratt and he was saying the same thing about the Hill season too.

It's like nobody's really interacting. They're not. It's like it's this force. Exactly. I didn't even know it. Well, exactly. That was his point. And like he kind of really came in and brought up.

It's like the cast doesn't interact. They don't really. Outside the show. Yeah. So it was just this force thing. They're famous already. It's like people loved seeing this success and then building and growing, which is why everyone.

Everyone like Bethany. I'll tell you why I think this season didn't work. It's not because of COVID or the age, in my opinion. They were no men. You got to have male energy in these shows. Oh, you said that on Juicy Scoop. That's so true. That's why Jersey fucking crushes.

Yes, everyone loves the husband. And so does Atlanta. And so does Atlanta. Yes. They always had men. Potomac has the men in it. Yeah, the good ones have men. I mean, that's why.

Beverly Hills has the men in it. Not one boyfriend showed up. Not one boyfriend, not one husband. Well, listen, you can see why these guys sometimes get eaten alive. I know, but you know what I mean? But why would you cast someone who's not married and has no kids? But I think the family component in New Jersey, everyone loved the Manzo's and the Gorgas and their families and their realness behind it. The reason why I think people remember me the most and they don't even realize it is because I was not a person.

I was a unit. I had Allie and I had my husband and I had my father, my mother. I had Lisa, my sister. I had the holidays. I had the dog. Ginger was like, it was Jill and Posse with these girls. girls, the possees don't want to come in and it's all about the money. You felt like you were following a life and not a character. Well, I did the show and I always said this. I'm not doing it

for the money. If I was doing it for the money, I wouldn't be doing it. I said, I'm doing it because I like it. And if I don't like doing it, I won't do it anymore. And that's ultimately what happened. That's one of the, you know, I love because it was going back. That's too long a conversation, to be honest. But it was just, I think I was changing, not in a good way. Maybe it went to my head a little bit, according to my family. He said I was changing and it was going to my head and I needed to get grounded. And I had a lot of anxiety with the show. That summer, they wouldn't tell us if we were coming back or not and that gave me enormous anxiety. Like, I needed to know what am I doing in the fall? Am I on it? Am I off? Am I traveling? You know, that anxiety is what ultimately led to my demise because

I quit on an email and then I got fired. You seem like a very self-aware person though to even be able to acknowledge that that was- But it took 10 years to get there to understand it. I mean, but that's pretty amazing that you can acknowledge that and say that. Well, it's true. I realize that a lot of things in my life have been caused because of my anxiety. And I'm trying to, I take medicine now, which I didn't take before. And it's definitely better. But it's funny, like I ran out of medicine last week and Allison right away clocked.

It was bad. I was off my. I was like, Mom, you need to realize what's happening right now because something's off. Like, this is not normal. And I knew what was off. She didn't know what was going on. I knew that I hadn't taken my medicine. Do you just like like talk a lot?

Are you tired? Like what do you feel? The energy changes everything. Yeah. But I imagine like, excuse my language, it's got to be a little bit of a mind fuck because you're sitting there and you're doing this show and you know you got to kind of bring in. There's other people trying to bring it.

And then you're like, am I going to be able to keep coming back? And if you don't bring it, but some of the stuff maybe you don't want to do. It's a real mind fuck. And planning your life. Like she had me. I was a freshman in college and I wanted to let's say go to New Year somewhere. She's like, well, I can't plan a trip. I can't plan Thanksgiving.

I have to wait for them. The anxiety was killing me. Yeah. Killing me. So now if they asked you back right now, would you say no because of the anxiety? I want to be a friend. I've said that. I would love to be a friend to come on, do a little bit and leave.

And we tried to do that last year with the Halloween scene. And I came on because Tinsley had left. So I think some of the people who produced the show thought that I could be exuant to come back and finish the season, which in a weird way I was kind of open to, but not as a housewife, just to come in. So Luann called me. She was all excited. She says, I want you to come to Dorinda's house next week.

But they wanted me to bring up something that happened many years ago with that girl, Elise, who was on the show. Do you remember Elise Slane was on the show for a season? I don't know. She had dark hair. She had a fight with Ramona. And she was fighting with Ramona. Oh, yes, yes.

With the bings. So I had an issue with her 10 years ago, which was that she didn't pay Bobby's company for goods that she bought, like $100,000. Yeah. And I don't have the proof of it anymore. I don't have the emails anymore. And to be fair, I don't have the best memory. You know, it's not perfect.

And Nora's hers and Nora, and she did. So anyway, they wanted me to confront her about it because evidently the girls had talked about it in scene because I had told Luann about it when I found out Lisa's on the show. I'm like, how could you be on the show? She has all these skeletons in the closet. I couldn't believe it.

So Luan used that on the show, which I didn't know, and told the girls everything I had told her. And so they wanted me in the scene to confront Elise. So I go up to Elise. And I said to, listen, you know, it's something that's been bothering me a really long time. And I want to talk about it. And it's about the money that you owed Bobby. And her memory was that this third party, this guy who was on the show in the beginning,

I want to mention his name, that it was his fault that some things had happened. And I couldn't really deny that because this guy was a bad guy. He had stolen money from me. He had done things to me. So now I can't really. But that scene would have only hurt both of them. It wouldn't have really helped you with anything. Like this wasn't a beneficial.

No, no. I wasn't going to go down to the mat on it because I couldn't, I wasn't a housewife. I don't have a platform to have an interview. I wasn't going to get to say my side of the story. She was a friend of the show. I wasn't. So if I went down to the mat with her, how was I going to, you know, how was I going to resolve it? So we just talked about it a few minutes and then we just said, you know what, just leave it in the past.

And that was it. Do you think you could actually be a friend? Didn't Luanne go off and be a friend? And now she, then she came back. By the year, she went off to be a friend. She made more money that season than if she wasn't a friend because they were paying per episode. Can you tell how much money you made for a season? Well, I think it's public now.

I made $7,500 total the first season. Shut the fuck up. No. Six months of filming. It cost me about $30,000. Wait, but you talked about on Juicy Scoop something about the Kodak story. Oh, that costs me $300,000. It's $7,500 for a season of filming.

And those episodes still air today. Yeah. It's crazy. And Allison didn't get paid. Bobby didn't get paid. But you know what? I'd do it over again. But that was kind of like, everybody was kind of in that same boat.

back then with reality TV. I would do it over again because look what it gave me. It gave me a lifetime of, you know, fame and I don't want to say fortune, but an opportunity. Yeah, the other way of looking at it is you could have just not done it and not made any of it. Well, it's like a free infomercial. You know, Zaharan fabrics, fabric, fabric. I mean, who didn't know that? So it was worth it. So I'm not, I'm not complaining about it. But yeah, it would have been nice that people think we get residuals, we don't. Back to talk about professional counseling done securely online. I have gotten so much feedback about better help. It's kind of insane. I have been talking about it on the podcast for a while, and basically it's not a crisis line. It's not a self-help line. It's like I said, professional counseling.

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taken charge of their mental health. Again, that's BetterHelp, help.com slash skinny. Do the housewives get paid way more now? Way more. The ones that bring it. Or are they all like the same? I think everybody gets a difference. I don't think there's a favorite nations anymore. Like when we first started, we all made the same.

You know, but I'm sure after four or five, after I left, that that's probably when it all changed because Ramona was still on. She's been on, she was on the longest every season for New York where Luann stepped down one season as a friend might have cost her in the steps. I think Ramona is the longest housewife that's been on TV. Well, now. Are you and Ramona still friends?

We are the same we were when we started, friend of me. So, like, if you run into her at a party right now, you guys would talk. It's 50-50. Oh, sometimes no. Either it'll be a fake, phony hug, kiss, and love. And by the way, I would like to have that relationship with her. Or it's, you know, she pretends she doesn't see me and I pretend I don't see her and we just miss each other. It really depends.

But, you know, I've grown to love her in some strange ways. It's really crazy. She's quirky. I get her more now. I do. You guys kind of have like this shared experience. Things that I thought she did deliberately to hurt you. I don't think she really does deliberately.

I think that's just who she is. I think her maybe intention sometimes is in the right place. She's not intentionally trying to be. This is the thing though. Everybody calls her the apologizer, but the only one she never apologized to was me. She owes me apologies. You guys are such good friends.

Hold on, but those apologies are. Those apologies are interesting. I know, but I'll take anything at this point. But, you know, there were opportunities for me to do appearances is on the show in the past, and I understand that she was a block for me. I've been told, yeah. And that's just her insecurity, really.

That's so funny because I would love, I feel like there's more power in numbers and you two together, so, like, amazing. Yeah, but anyway, I only wish her the, really, I only wish her the best. I do. And I really mean that. How, I feel like you're the perfect person to answer this.

And Ali, I would love to know your answer as well. How has New York City changed as a city since the housewives to now. Since then or since COVID? There's no one that knows that New York City. Tell us about the evolution of New York City since the show and now here it is today. Well, first thing is that the charity events

and things that I went to when we first did the show, you know, with COVID, what charity events? I mean, there were all, there was a whole social scene, you know, where you would buy clothes, you'd be buying clothes now. Fashion Week is right now. I'm like, who cares? If that's 10 years ago,

I'd be like, do I have tickets to go to fashion week? What shows did I get invited to? What day are you going? It was a thing. Are you going? By the way, I'm going to a show on Thursday. But season one of the housewives. I got invited.

Season one was Brian Park, fashion week, his stairs, and forget who did it. Front road. Do you have the front road? Right. It totally changed and they separated up across the city. And now it's like presentations and people like, is it Alexander Wayne? Somebody doesn't even care about fashion. Nobody cares.

They just do whenever they want to do it. What else? What about the restaurants, the club scene, the bar. seen the social scene besides charity and fashion shows. I think Instagram and like social media changed all that in a really big way because now you'll hear things or discover things that you never would have otherwise. Before it was like where the celebrities going like butter or Buda Khan, like all the celebrities hot spots and now it's like whatever you see on, you know, TikTok is hot

or whatever it is. What is you guys this social situation right now? Like tell us it's a week in a life. What is about last night I went to chip a custard? Chipriani. That was the first time you have left the house. Oh, if there's a place to go before you leave. So, Chipriani, Chipriani, they opened up. We're literally going there to be. Which one? The one. No, and probably not the right one. There's a new club, private club that opened up and last night was the first night's dinner. No, it's not that one. It's the one. I think it's the one by, um,

Toho. No, that's the one by the plaza. It's the one. It's the one by the plaza. It's closed. Chipriani closed up by the plaza. Oh, maybe it's the other one. Maybe it's not that one. Could you imagine if you took a taxi up to the plaza and found that it's the wrong one? No, I'm going to look right now. Totally. Because you know with the plazards, you would have gone. That's what I would do if I thought it was a... It's a memory of the club.

And I only found that they closed yesterday. By the way, don't fuck with their avocado, corn, tomato salad. There's nothing better. I need to recreate that at home. Go on. So Chip Wiani just... One on 42nd.

Is that any good right now? Chipmiani 42nd Street is not a restaurant. It's an event space. I don't know where there's... They have a little restaurant inside of it. No, they don't. Yeah, they do. Who knows?

A little restaurant inside. Where? Across from Grand Central. I'm going to text you and we're going to be like standing outside. They do. Maybe that's new because it used to be an event space. Okay. But if you can go to the members club, go to the members club.

It's called Casa Chippriani. It's all the way down. The FDR Drive. It's on the water facing the Statue of Liberty. It's above the ferry. And it is a hotel event space and the most beautiful, it looks like a ship when you get out. And it's on the, and there's an outside space literally on the water. It's magnificent.

Magnificent. It's called Casa Chippeepripp. Is it the same menu? The menu is so good. There's a few different restaurants. There are different menus in each. Is it like the ballini and everything? Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's everything you dreamed of more. You know what I'm really pissed off about? I was going to tell you this off air, but I might as well just say it. The Polo Ralph Laurenne restaurant with the green fried olives closed. What? I said. Yeah, they say it's only for private events now.

Oh, because of COVID. It'll open again. You think? 100%. That's such a bummer. It was really hot. It's, we love the restaurant. What else do you guys love here?

Tell us, like, if someone's listening and they want to come to New York, give us a couple of tips and tricks. Well, I only go to So-House. How we go to So-House. Okay. They just open one in Austin. It's pretty good. Well, she loves the East Village and the village.

I mean, anything in the West Village, East Village, it's really nice to walk around. What about specifics? Like specifics. Is there restaurants like Italian? American Bar is really high. Oh, Avra. Aver.

Big scene. Cute. 16-1. Do you know it? Well, we have it in L.A., but I don't know if the same. Same one. Same one.

It's really good food. It's, it's the best. It's Greek. And it's, it's a scene. That's where all of like my friends and whatever,

that's where they go there and they go to Biblo-K. You want to see the housewives. That's where we're on much. God, I'm so happy that you both approve of our New York choices. You got Bibel okay on your list. Okay.

All right. You're good. Get the Cajian chicken. The Cajon chicken. The Cajon chicken. What else? Anything. Okay.

The food's great. Okay. I would love. Bring a bank book. I'll bring my husband. I would love to know before we go what a day in the life looks like for both of you with your business, your morning routine, if you have one, your nighttime routine, beauty, skin. Like, just give us a little day in the life for each you. Okay. For me, I make a list in the morning. Even if I don't write it down, it's in my head. If they don't write it down. Even if I don't write it down, I think I have it in my head. But that would be advice is make a list in the morning. In fact, Gary showed me his list on his phone today because I'm into lists these days. We look at our list of meetings for the day. We do a lot of phone calls and a lot of Zoom.

Allie. Keep going. I'll go after. All right, skincare and stuff. I always wash my face in the morning and away myself. I'm on a new diet. I'm on the fasting diet where you eat for eight hours and fast for 16. I do it like two days and then I have to break it.

It's terrible. I have to break it tonight because Jay Cohn is coming over tonight to teach me how to cook food for the Jewish holidays. Everyone knows I love to Coke. I keep saying it's intermittent fasting. She doesn't remember. I can't remember the name. She thinks she made it up. I think I made it.

She's like, I'm on the fasting diet out there. And then as she was eating, I was like, wait, how does she eat? Because the fasting diet's like you fast the whole day. No, no, no, you fast. So you're doing intermittent fasting. I was wondering. I was like, okay, what do you mean? No, no, it's 5 p.m. until like 10 a.m.

You know, we've had, we've had Jillian. So I'm a big fan of intermittent fasting. We've had Jillian Michaels on who, you know, icon. Does it work? Well, yes. I haven't lost much weight yet. And listen, people might eat me up for this. But they say that the way men and women evolved in the past,

men would go out and hunt and women would sometimes force. So what Jillian was saying is that women may not have evolved to do the 16 hour, fast and maybe like 14 is better and more manageable with the same results. Oh, could I get too much? You know what, though? I have to say something about diets. It's also confusing because it's also contradictory. Every, like this person says this and this, it's too much content.

It reminds me of the news and media. I like the idea that I can really eat whatever I want. And I had a Levan cookie, not the whole thing, but I ate some of it. Because supposedly, as long as I eat within those eight hours, as my body's, you know, shut down. It should be burning fat. You've got to come back on the podcast and tell us. if it works. Tell us about these cookies. Oh, the Van Bakery. I found them in the Hamptons. I didn't even

know they're in the city. And we went to this place today to look for, we're looking for a pop-up shop for the holidays for Jill and Alley where we can sell our crystal candles and our masks and our bags and our clothes. Oh, wait, one more thing I want to say, we have an accessories line coming out exclusively for Sacks off Fifth Avenue in all stores. You are going to die. Everything forgetting. Not tie dye. You guys have been doing a lot. Ombre packaging, the most gorgeous packaging for the holidays, you don't even need gift wrapping paper. I mean, you will, but it is, when you open, if I got this gift, I'd be, like, overwhelmed. And our prices are ridiculous. We're going to have those, you know, those not our trays that are a loose sight and, like,

Grey Malin has one, but it's $365. $365. And then even other ones, they sell for, like, 175, 250, ours will be under $100. I can't wait. If you had to pick one product from your line that people should start with, what would it be? Face mask. Okay, I'm going to say that the olive face mask and the black one that's a little... It's the three-ply adjustable. Yeah, that's the one that I would start with because you give the olive to your husband. It's kind of sexy. It is.

It's not an army vibe. Michael's wearing it. And then I like the black one that's plain. And why I personally like these face masks is I notice when I wear the disposable ones, two things. I notice that I get acne and it rubs my makeup off. Yep. And I also notice that those tiny fibers are going in my throat. So I'm a huge fan of disposable masks.

But there's another thing I just learned today, which I'm going to let you guys take it away. About the fish. About the fish? Oh, why you should be using reusable masks and not disposable masks? I have to tell you, you know, I'm not the perfect person when it comes to separating my, you know, garbage and all that stuff and recycling.

But I have to, but I try. But I have to say what's going on in the ocean is, you know, it's going to affect, it's going to, there's going to be a come-to-Jesus moment. When you see the billions of blue masks that are not disintegrating, and the plastic straps are literally choking the fish, just like, remember they had a whole thing about the soda cans, the plastic? Well, it's about the same size opening. And so every time I have a six-pack of anything,

I always cut the plastic so that it can't catch the neck of an animal. So if you are wearing those blue masks, at least cut the elastic when you're done with it so that nobody dies. No animal can die from it. That is a really, really, really good tip. But it's true. And ours you can wash and wear like as many times. Oh, yeah.

Five of hours is like reusable. Reusible. Yeah. The reusable masks. And then I have to say one other thing. And then we'll do a giveaway in a code. I really, really like, and I said it earlier, the visiting day windbreaker. It is such a cute shade of teal with the white.

I feel like if you wore it over leggings or bike shorts, it's absolutely adorable. And the neckline's right. It's, you guys gifted me a bunch of stuff. Amazing. That's my favorite thing that you guys gifted me. Well, by the time this air, we'll- Wait to see our hat. By the time this airs, we'll have a Bravo collection.

Scary, scary island. Scary island. Surprise. Team Jill, team Dorinda, team. We're going to have like a baby onesie, real housewife and training. Zaza will wear it. But just like to go more with our day, though, like it's, we work so close together. And we were packing and shipping out of our house for a year and a half.

And now we have a warehouse. You guys are so entrepreneurial together. We had to learn how to Shopify. I'm making candles. I learned how to make candles. We had the candle wax melter. We buy the pellets. We melt it down to like 180 degrees.

Then you have to cool it and then you pour it. You have no idea. And then you take the little sticky thing. You put it in the bottom. You put the wick. I'm doing all these videos that will come out when the candles launched. I mean, I had a tie-dye. So we are hand-making candles.

I had a tie-dye like 100,000 mass. You guys, I feel like we're going to come back to New York in a year and interview you again. And you're going to have an even bigger warehouse. Oh, and one more thing, which we didn't talk about. That is Jill's Aaron Rugs. That is my... Jillsar and Rugs. Pimp out Jillsar and Rugs.

Is it? You know what? I'm actually in the market for a rug. Do you have an outdoor like patio? Yes. We do. We need a rugs. Pick out whatever you want.

Anything you want. Is it like what's the vibe? Is it like nudes, whites, like colors? Oh no. We have navy. We have yellow. We have brick red, olive, black, gray. And all the housewives have them in their backyard.

Oh, Lisa Rinn out this week on Housewives of Beverly Hills. Maybe that upstairs patio. She had a brick one, and that was our rug. And Ramona has our rugs. They all have our rugs. So Lisa Renna was wearing her duster sitting on your rug. Yes. That is major.

I love it. I love that all the housewives have your rugs. So if you follow Jill Zaronholm, you'll see all those pictures. Or Jill and Allie on Instagram. I love the entrepreneurial spirit, mother and daughter. I'm so proud of my daughter. I mean, I thought she was going to be an art dealer by now, and now she's working with me. That's an artist.

The pandemic, you know, changed everything. And this is never the plan. to be flexible and she likes being her own boss. Yeah. Yeah, you guys are going to do really well with this. I'm so excited to watch it. Let's do a giveaway. Can we give away the windbreaker that I'm obsessed to? Yeah, of course. And the mask set? Yeah. Okay, and a cell phone charm. Yeah. Okay. So guys, the windbreaker. And a hat. We'll throw in a hat too. Okay. You get a hat, a windbreaker. You get the cell phone charm. You get the olive masks that contours your cheekbones. That is not killing fish. All you have to do is follow at Jill and Allie. Pimp your Instagram so they can spell it out.

How do you spell it? At shop, J-I-L-L-L-L-Y. Follow shop at Jill and Allie. And then tell us your favorite part of this episode on my latest Instagram at Lauren Bostick. And why don't you guys give a code before you go and pimp each other out? The code is T-S-C-15 and 15% off. We can do it on Jill and Alley.com and Jules Aaron.com. And so the rugs also.

And I have furniture. You don't even know I have a furniture line coming out, breakdown furniture. Like the Akea stuff, so affordable, such great quality. And you have to put it together yourself, which I'm going to do a lot of fun videos doing. You're busy. And her Instagram is Mrs. Julesaren. I'm Mrs. Julesan. I'm out at Alie Shapiro.

We're all over. You guys are adorable. Come back anytime you want. We're just, of course. I love it. You guys are so cool. Like, you just pimp yourself out. And we love all of your stuff.

Thank you. Your ice roller. Oh my God. It's in the rest of it. I'm like, what the fuck is this? And Ali's explaining it. I'm like, it's unbelievable. Hold on, I'm going to film an Instagram story.

So keep going. Just keep going about the ice roll. I love that fucking ice roll. It's been in our fridge. It feels so good. It's been in our fridge for six months. She does not understand what it is. I'm trying to explain that.

I'm not a dildo. I did use a dildo and actually as a prototype that said I wanted it to feel like a big giant dildo. I kind of like that. Yeah, I guess you could use it as well. It's beautiful. The ice dildo for your face. I kind of like that. You guys are amazing.

Thank you for coming back. Thank you both. Do you want to win a goodie bag from Jill and Allie? You're going to love the sweater that I love. It's like this teal windbreaker. It's so cute. All you have to do is tell us your favorite part of this episode on my latest Instagram at Lauren Bostic.

And make sure you're following at Jill and Allie on Instagram. And as always, make sure you've rated and reviewed the podcast on iTunes. We'll see you on Thursday.