The Bossticks - RHONY Brynn Whitfield On Dating Do's & Dont's, How To Seduce, & Relationship Non-Negotiables

Episode Date: October 30, 2023

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I've always been like a sharer and whether it be like at work or with friends or something like that of sharing like my story. what happened to me because I went through years of being ashamed of it and then it was like late 20s everything from my childhood my upbringing my socioeconomic status my race and then all of a sudden my late 20 something hit or clicked and i was like i realized that people would like me for it and i liked myself and i wasn't ashamed of it and it was like this huge mental shift for me so i went into this thinking like i've been doing this for like 10 years i think just being proud and being unashamed and sharing so i knew it would like work They're either going to love me or hate me like real life.

Sounds cliche, but you have to be yourself. My God, are you going to love this episode with Bryn Whitfield or what? She is one of the hottest new housewives of real housewives of New York City. And I reached out to her personally because she is such a firecracker and I knew I had to have her on the show. I actually didn't really want to pick her brain about the gossip. I was more interested in how she thinks about dating. So we really get into it from how to create boundaries to make a man or a woman fall in love with you, how to embrace singleness and why you should never settle for romantic partners.

I felt like she was like very much on the same wavelength of how I feel when it comes to love dating, men, all the things. We were driving. I think you're going to love. You're going to love this episode because it feels very comfortable. It's like Bryn Michael and I are having cocktails. We talk about how to know if a man is into you. We talk about non-negotiables for love, how to get and keep a man. We talk about how to take it slow in dating and how to approach dating as an adult. This episode is as real as they come. On that note, let's welcome the outspoken, the glamorous, and the sexy Bryn Whitfield to the him and her show. This is the skinny confidential. This is the skinny confidential, him and her.

I know I want to have kids for sure. I want to have children. Do I want to get married? Or is that just the thing that I always thought growing up in conservative in Indiana? Like, I must do and it's important. But sometimes I think I'd be okay, like, being more like Oprah or Janice and I'm just being like. If I wasn't with Michael, I 100% would be single.

Yeah. I've just set the bar so high. No, it's like a comfortable shoe. Yeah. You look like Christian. I know. Does people say this? I just.

I just saw it. You know, though, he played Dick Cheney. So it depends which version. Okay, perfect. It depends which. He wants to get that on air. Okay, okay, okay. No, no, it depends which version.

You know, he played the machinist. That one's not so great. Yeah. You look like him when he's super hot and American Psycho and his white crisp. And he's like holding, when he's holding like a cat by the ATM. Yeah, yeah. You just got to blow the cat. How have you not ever been that for Halloween?

I feel it's like maybe like kind of like a little bit too on the nose, a little bit arrogant to play that. Why? To dress up like that because... No, because I just feel like, I don't know. Don't you think that's a little strange? Yeah. It's a little bit like...

Yeah, it's a little weird. Okay. Bryn, so excited to have you here. You are the standout star of Real Housewives of New York. Is it like the new and improved version? What's the right word to call it? For the reboot? I'm kind of saying I'm calling it the reboot.

I think it just is. I think it's just now Roney. I think we had to always say we were the reboot, but now I'm confident saying just Rony. And I was on a show last week where someone was a sports show, oddly enough, and I don't know anything about sports. I was like, I've dated a lot of athletes. I actually know nothing about sports. But someone said for like the bills.

Is that like because like they were down for a while and now we're kind of like the Buffalo Bills sporting reference? We know Christian. I don't know. CB. I don't follow sports as much as I should anymore. I got, you know. Yeah. So you're like the Bills?

We're like the Buffalo Bills, I guess. I think it kind of feels like an underdog story too because I think there. there was so much, like I'm proud of what we've achieved, but we were up against a lot. It wasn't just a new show. It was like we had to make sure we didn't bomb, right, in general, and any show can bomb. Then we had the level, the standards that were said and the old fans that were holding us to a certain, you know, like that we need to do justice to the show. And then just on our own, we need to do something fresh. So I feel like we were up against a lot. I think now, having now that it's over, finale aired, et cetera.

It's like such a relief because I don't think I realize how stressed out about it I was. When you're casting for this, did you just walk in and get it? Because you're very, like I could see there's an essence about you. I can see why they cast you right away. Was it one of those things that you knew, like you got it? So I'm a little bit one of those manifesters. And I remember thinking if I do this, I'm going to get it. Did you set out to go and do it or reach out?

They had reached out to me. And then when I started doing it, I remember thinking, There's something, have you ever felt that? It feels like magically? You're like, this is going to work out. Does that, you know, 100%. Yeah, yeah. That's how good. Joe dispens a baby. I kind of, yes, I love him. I really love him. You can hack your whole. I mean.

Yes. So yeah, I kind of knew. I was like, if I keep doing this, if I interview, I know they're going to, I didn't know if I would do it. I was like, I know they're going to offer it to me. I've gone that way with jobs as well. I'm like, I got this. I got this. I didn't have any insecurities. So and also while I was doing it, I was so detached. I just kept thinking this is going to be a very funny story to tell people like, oh my God, you know I went through the cash. the casting for that. It was like, it's another funny story that I can say I did. And then when they gave it to me, I was, I was shocked. And then I just thought like, who can't like, fuck it, just do it. You know? When you get something like this. And to me, this is one of the most popular franchises. Are you freaking out as you go back on your life? Are you like, I don't fucking care, like, lay it all on the table? Yeah. I mean, as far as like sharing? Yeah. For sharing, no. For sharing, I'm just like laid out on the table. I've always been.

like a share whether it be like at work or with friends or something like that of sharing like my story what happened to me because I went through years of being ashamed of it and then it was like late 20s

that I finally everything from my childhood my upbringing, my socioeconomic status, my race. And then all of a sudden my late 20s something hit or clicked and I was like

I realized that it's what made me that people would like me for it and I liked myself and I wasn't ashamed of it and it was like this huge mental shift for me. So I went into this thinking, like, I've been doing this for like 10 years, I think, just being proud and being unashamed and sharing. So I knew it would like work. And also, I watch reality TV. I can tell when people are trying to be fake, like on The Bachelor at or

something. We, viewers are smart. They're not, they're not just like dummies watching and, you know, entertain us. Like, they can see right through it. So I was like, I don't have a choice. They're either going to love me or hate me, like real life. But you do like, sounds cliche, but you have you have to be yourself. Like, it was not hiding. Was the response from you opening up on the show out of control? It was out of control. I can imagine.

In a positive way? In a positive way. It was not overly. I mean, I'd say like 97% of comments and DMs and things, especially after the Brinskiving episode, everything was like, I had people even just literally this morning,

they're sending me like, thank you so much for opening up and vulnerability. Someone was saying what breaking generational curses and taking your trauma and understanding that you can still be a competent person. And everything, from like people about the race aspect and sharing. I've had people, a woman had messaged me and said, again, something totally different.

She had lost her child. And she was like, when the part where you're talking about, like, you choose happiness every day, she's like, that resonated with me. I lost my daughter. I'm like, come on. You know, but it just proves it's not me. It just proves that like when, whatever your thing is, if you share it, it's going to connect with other people and about their thing.

And they're going to feel better about it. Right? It doesn't have to be apples to apples. Like, I was neglected as a child, so therefore you relate to me because you were two. What I have this, maybe it's Joe Dispenza or Abraham Hicks. I think we're all actually going through the same thing. Like I think we're all going through the same life experience. So like as much as pain I felt, you both have felt it too.

Everyone has felt it. And that's where we get where we don't start to hate one another or we're like, you don't get, you don't understand me. We all actually, I think, have gone through the same thing and the same pain, the same happiness. It's just about like, can you acknowledge that in some? someone else and not try to make yours more or think about there's less. Do you remember a moment when you were going through everything you went through and you thought

I'm going to not play the victim here? I'm going to use this to fuel me. Can you remember like an epiphany? I think about the money stuff. I was always raised where it was very point. Like when I was like, we don't have money, but that's not going to stop you. Like there's always ways to do it. And my grandmother taught me by example when she went into our Catholic private school and begged the priest and the principal to give us tuition for like a fraction of what it actually cost. And we got it. And so I always saw that as like no matter of someone, no one tells you know you can't do it because you can't afford it. If you're a good

person you want to do it, you can do anything you want. There's always a way. When there's a will, there's a way. So that I learned from her. I think a moment where I was like, let's share. I don't know. Like maybe I have no idea. You just have a really good attitude. Like you said you choose happiness around everything you've been through and it's refreshing and it's it's just there's no victim mentality when you could have easily like fallen into that and I just wonder if it's it's if there is a practice behind it that you do every single day no I try when I'm all my best behavior I do the meditation thing in the morning I try to be present I like that uh it's not a religious book but it's called course and miracles I don't know if you ever heard of it I try to read that I love that

it's a prayer yeah but it's like there's a lesson. in each day and it's like everything you see is not real. Like I drink the, look, I lived in Venice, California for two years, right? I became the yoga teacher. I drank the Kool-Aid. I did the whole Abraham Hicks. I did Joe Dispenza. I did name someone that Eckart Tolly. I did that for a while. I really learned like all of that stuff essentially for a better word. So I became, I brought all that back with me to New York. Do I follow it every day? No. And that's another trick too. You can't, you're not going to be some. guru every day. And anyone who claims that they are and they figured it out, that's the second

that life's going to turn, like, chew you up again and spit you out, you know? So it's just, I don't know. I just think it's just all a cycle of like pain and happiness. And you just, I think the reasons why I'm so happy is because I have experienced that pain. Yeah. You know, like, it's the law. You have the contrast. Yeah, it's the law of dynamics. For every action, there's egregation. People say me, you're so happy. I'm like, I've cried on my bathroom floor wanting a guy. Like, don't even start with me about like pain, you know, So yes, I'm happy a lot, but it's only because I've felt the, I'm sure, and I think a lot of people have, the worst that you could ever feel in your life. You know, we were talking a little bit about books before this, which I'll start around to.

But doing this show and talking to so many people over the years, you realize that an individual's worst experience is their worst experience. And, you know, maybe somebody loses a job and that's the worst thing that happens to them. Or somebody loses a parent and that's the worst. But trying to compare the two things and say, my pain is worse than your pain. It doesn't correlate. It doesn't work. Yeah. I think that one of the worst things someone can say, I don't like when people say like they start out, they're trying to share with someone or they're upset. And I say like, you don't understand or you don't understand. That's the worst thing that

you can say to someone. I think people can understand. And I think that, yeah, and the only, and the only way out is too really. But I know for a fact, we've all been through the same thing. I don't know. That's my belief. Yeah, no, I think people, it just in like the, like I said, the worst thing that happens is the worst thing that happens until something worse happens to you. So people trying to compare, like if your experience, quote, unquote, on paper is worse than mine, it doesn't negate that maybe in my worst experience, I felt the same way that you felt in your worst experience. Yeah.

Yeah. Whenever friends try to say, like, I know, especially two people that approached me now, you know, in the street, they're saying, oh, thank you for sharing. Like, mine's not as whatever. I stop them. I say, no, no, no. Yes, it is. Like, because it is. Like, this isn't a contest of, like, trauma, you know?

It's like, and I think that's the first thing. Like, you relate because you have felt those same. way. If you've never felt that way when you watched me share that, that means, no, you get it because you have felt that. Like everyone, Neville Gardard, another one, everyone is you turned out. Everyone is a mirror. So I tell people like, oh, we're so moved. Thank you for sharing. I'm like, you're just seeing yourself. You're seeing yourself. You're seeing your own vulnerability. I'm great. I'm not that, like, special. You're seeing yourself in your own vulnerability and your own fears and your own strength. And that's why people are relating to me.

Yeah, it's why I like to read history a lot because I feel like you read about, not that I'm boeristic this, but you read about these tragedies that people have gone through. And I feel like that's the contrast that you compare your life to. I think like it's a shame that people don't read more history because they go through life thinking that their experience is the worst experience that's happened in this world. And you realize like there's some really atrocious shit that's happened to people throughout the history of time. And being able to compare it's like, okay, I lost my job or like I, you know, whatever's happened. Someone broke up with me. It's like it or you know, you know, you don't. You know, you don't. You know, have a lot of money. Like maybe that's not so bad. Like there's things that have happened throughout the history of time that are so much worse. And so having that contrast is important. Totally. 100%. You mentioned you, you learned a lesson from your grandma about going and asking for it. What are some other things that you learned from your grandma that you apply every single day? I know you had a really close relationship. Yeah. She'd always tell me no one is better than you. Like no one is better than you. And then I, she'd let that sink in for a second and then she'd follow up with and you're never better than anyone else. You know, so she was always these,

little, some of them were good. Some of them were not. We used to say too, you can never be too rich or too thin. I'm like, Grandma, explains a lot. You know what I'm saying? So she had some, she was like Betty Draper. You know, it's like they came from a different generation of like what's appropriate. She said every, this is interesting and it's awkward telling it to couples. Ooh. Uh-oh. What's your roomstick? I'll make this another therapist. What's your roomstick? Yeah, but she, she had all these little sayings and like, I don't I learned I learned so much from her. Like I literally went to me. That's really cute. Every marriage has a dirty broomstick.

Every she said every marriage has a dirty broomstick in his closet. I'm going to find your broomstick tonight. Buried deep in that closet. I heard a rumor that you were sought out to be on Vanderpump rules. Is that true? It wasn't necessarily sought. There's a truth to that. It wasn't sought out. I think I was on the right carpet and I talked about it because I talked about how much I love Pandora and Lisa. And they were really, really kind to me and generous to me when I first moved to L.A. Pandora's husband is my childhood friend from Indiana.

So that's how. So when I moved out to L.A., he was like, meet my girlfriend, Pandy. And I was like, hi, I don't, you know, I'm making like no money. She's like, oh, you can live with me. Here's a rangerover. Like, they were so kind. Every night they, Lisa and Ken fed me every night at Villablanca. Because I was making $32,000 at my job at the time.

It was like entry-level job. They fed me every night. They were just so great. Ken took me, was helping to try to find a car, use Jeep. And they're like the kind. Nobody knows it. And they're quiet about it. They're like quiet.

They would have never, they've never told anyone that. And I'm like telling everyone. I'm like, no, you guys are generous and amazing. But when they were casting, so she was on Beverly Hills Housewives, they were cast. They were like, oh, we have a show starting. It's based on the restaurant where sir is where we would like hang out. And I know all, and I knew all those kids prior to being on the show. And like, they were just fun to hang out with.

So they were like, would you want to audition for the show? That would have meant that I would have had to leave my little corporate job where I was still making no money, but I was like, I'm trying to like climb the corporate ladder. I don't want to go and half. I don't want to, I didn't want to leave my little corporate job to start working at Sir and be on a TV show because I, the role was, you had. And is this before it started? Like before it became. They were casting for Sir. And I was like, I'm not going to go. I was very proud of myself for having 10 to college and getting at this very prestigious PR firm. And I was like, I'm not going to, it was very snooty. I was like,

I'm not going to leave, you know, I'm climbing the corporate ladder over at Edelman. I'm not going to leave to serve as a waitress, you know, be a waitress. I'm better than that. So I totally turned my nose upon it. One out of my way, which Pandora loves throwing my face now, I'd be like, also I would never do reality TV. It's trash. You know, and she's like, really? And I was like, times change. This is like, this is like 15 years later. This is also iconic. Yeah, it's fun. I mean, Real Housewives of New York is iconic. Yeah. It's like you can't turn it down. When I, the thing that gets me, like, is it strange to say, when I get these, like, oh my God, moments where I kind of freak out like, oh my God, I'm on a TV show about New York. If I'm,

like the architecture of New York triggers it for me. Like I will be driving and, you know, and I'll be in an Uber and coming down, I was just coming down park and you know when you go past the Hemsley building or by the Grand Central Station or whatnot. Lauren's one of those people when we drive in the car. She does not look out the window at anything. You asked me where I lived in West Hollywood. Yeah. And you're like, uh, you acted like I asked you the latitude and longitude of it. You're like near the grocery start. When you just talked about New York about, you know, when you, I've already

know what you're talking about. It's called the Hedge Fun Hotel, but I think it's technically, the joke is it's the Hedge Fun Hotel, but it's, it was the Hems, Hems Building or I don't know what building it is. But nonetheless, I'm driving through New York and I'll see like the architecture, the buildings, or like I was on a blade a couple weeks ago and like flying around and I'm looking at the entire island and I get, I'm like, I literally start crying. I was like, I want to show that represents that, that city. Like the thing I saw growing up on Home Alone, the thing I saw on Sesame Street. I'm one of six women that represent that. When I think of that, I get very, it feels like I took mushrooms. I'm like, whoa, dude. You know,

it does. It feels like a little like indica moment. I'm like, okay, this is weird, dude. This is weird. Because who am I to represent the whole damn city? Like, I would cast you in one second. All your kind. You're cast. Like, you're, you're like, you're the, what's that word? I'm going to say it wrong. Everyone gets mad at me. Efforescence. Oh, I, I, I'm no idea. I would say words. Everescence? Yeah.

She's like the bubbles and the champagne. Ooh, just kind of bubbles. Effer essence. It's a word. Effercence. It's a word. Someone's going to come and, yeah, someone's going to DM me how to say it because I can't pronounce anything.

Me, I can't either. I probably pronounce that long too. Yeah, he probably pronounced it wrong for once on an episode. He pronounced something wrong. The reviews on the show are that I pronounce. Well, if we both, you just see the reviews. It's like, my God. So how do you go from being in Venice for two years to New York?

What's the, what's the, journey there? Why did you decide to move out here? Post-Purdue, 15 years since graduating. I've lived half my adult life in L.A. or half in New York. I think now it's been, now I'm on nine years in New York. I think it's been now more time in New York. Which do you prefer? New York. New York. I love L.A. though. I don't like it when New Yorkers like, I would never live in L.A. or L.A. people, like, I couldn't, I could never. Yes, you could. It's amazing. But I say L.A. is the side chick, New York's the chick you marry. New York is, like, classy and wonderful. That's what you want. You want to come home to that. She's a mall, a clue.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. She's that. And it's like, and there's culture and whatever and you're never bored. And like, that's your life partner, right or die. No, I agree. We're from California. And I agree with you. L.A.'s a side chick. Like, you're going to be healthier there. It's fun. There's something exciting. You're going to like start looking and feeling younger just because of sheer proximity of being next to the person or in that city. And it's fun. But it's like, is that the one you settle down with? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't think so. Yeah. LA's the side chick. What's Austin? Austin is like It's where you go when you're when you got kids And you need to just hide out The comfortable grandma We like it because we're between

Because I have to bounce between Well it's nice We get a taste to both worlds Oh nice And then you go to Austin And then you're in like a sanctuary Yeah And you're zen

Yeah And you're reading a course of miracles And there you go And it's like And calms the nervous system If I had to choose though between Like if I could only go to L.A. or New York I would only come to New York

And I would not go to L.A. anymore. So when you come to New York Do you come for a job? Do you come for a man? Why? I, okay, so the first time after school to L.A., that was for a job. Then to New York for a job. When I moved to L.A., that was for a fiancé. Okay. Then I was there. We broke up. And then before COVID, I moved back to New York.

Okay. I need, I want you to explain the fiancé thing because I am obsessed with how many fiance's. You've had my, like, I named my daughter. Yeah. I named my daughter after Zaja Gabor, and she was married eight times. We, I love Jaja Gabor. Her birthday is February 6th. Mine's February 7th.

I'm obsessed with John, like, have you seen her workout videos? I watch us all day long. They don't make them like that anymore. Right? The man. Yes, it's jeez. She's like, darling. There's two guys in that.

Yes. She's just oiling them down and not, it's a workout video. There's like zero. It's just dudes working on. she's just like harassing them. You're giving her. Oh my God. And she wrote a book, How to Catch a Man, How to Keep a Man, and How to Get Rid of a Man. There you go. Okay. I need to read You have that Jaja Gabor kind of thing. This is like the biggest. My head, I'm not going to walk out of here. My head's going to be so I'm obsessed with her. I love her. I couldn't pronounce her name. So I

thought her name was Zaza. So for eight years, I called her Zaza. And Michael finally told me how to pronounce me. Jaja. So our daughter's name is Zaza. Not Jaja. My God. It's the wrong. That's sweet. Because you have to spell it ZSA, ZSA, too. It was causing confusion.

Yeah, yeah. Kept it ZA ZA ZA. Okay. But you have like, you remind me of that. And I want to know like what you're like why, I guess why you got engaged the first time. Why I want to know like the whole roadmap of it. So each one was my, in my defense, A. I'm third, I'm going to be 38, 37 now.

So it's like I feel like I would just be on my third divorce had I gone on. with anyone. But I love that. I love that's reality. I've changed. I've just changed so much that it kind of creeps me out. Like you do actually genetically is it not genetically, but you do biologically on some level change every 10 years. There's people that like loved country music and pizza and then 10 years later they like sushi and opera. Right. So you actually change and the most supposedly the most success, the successful marriages if you determine success by staying together is if you're able to do those changes together and respect them and whatnot and change because it does make sense when people are like, I don't know what happened, the 10-year itch.

No, it's because you guys actually change. You are different people, and that's okay, like people evolve and change. I always say I would have just been divorced. But each one of those, in my defense of the engagements, each one was they proposed when we were broken up. So it's not like we were in this happy place and then we got engaged and everything, whatever. It was always, we were broken up, we're fighting, broken up, or even then last, like, I was straight up dating someone else. But the men can't get enough for that. They can't get enough. They can't handle it. You start dating someone else. You start fighting. They can't handle it. They lean in with engagement. The second, yeah, the second that they, and I was talking like, why did you have to lose me to know, to know that I'm, you know, like, the one.

Like I don't know what they can't have. They all do. That's so easy. I don't, I tell every single girl, I don't know why he's not texting me. Ignore him. Ignore him. It's literally so easy. Ignore them. Just ignore them. Just ignore them. My grandma did say find someone who loves you more than you love them. A hundred percent. Why would I ever want to be married? to someone I love more than that. I'm sitting like right over here. Yeah, it's like we've totally forgotten your ear. It's like, and then Ken sucks.

Literally, if I had to write a book on how to get a guy, ignore him. Literally. That's the book. No, but that's, so I've, the advice I get, and I'm not, I would say I'm not about playing games, but sometimes you do have to play games, I think, but that's advice I give all, like, how do you get all these guys, whatever, it's because I don't give them zero tension or anything. The less that you, and the second, and I've had guys ghost me, I've had guys break up with me,

and it was when I didn't listen to my own. And I was like, and I started liking them more than they like me. They're like, hey, da, da, da, da, da, waiting around from them. The second you do that. So I plan even in my marriage, I'm just going to always be like, I'm doing me. And you just continue. I still don't pick up his call. Yeah.

Exactly. I ignore this. I feel like I need. He is right. He is right here. You still have to ignore them all the time. Yeah. And when they talk too much, you tune out.

Yeah. And they want your attention more. Can you shut the fuck up. Aaron told me, Aaron told me, though, because I have this theory. And if he's like, no, no, no, but Aaron always backs up on the she's like 100% she's like, I play games

with Able all the time. She's like and that's why we have an amazing marriage and fuck all the time. 100% you have to.

We do, I confess, we do like the chase, right? I think if things are too easy for anybody in any regard, I think people get a little bit.

They get what my friend Weston calls it the ick. Yeah. Does that make sense? Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. It's like just too easy to available and both sides. But I think for cis hetero

males, I think it's, but it's like, this is all biology. Like you're, it's in you to, to chase. And it's in women to be selective because we have to create, procreate with an individual who will protect us from the elements. Now it's just like protect us from AI. But back in the day

for thousands of years, it was just like the elements and can you protect us? No, people get mad when there's this book called evolutionary psychology, which is like a, it's like a textbook. And I read it one time. It's like basically it's like something they serve you in school. And it was really driving. But there's this one chapter which talks exactly what you're talking about. We're just saying through evolutionary biology, women were meant to procreate. And if you procreate with someone, you basically had to stick with them for nine months and beyond because you could not procreate with anyone else. And it's very controversial to say these days. But a man potentially could procreate with many women during that time. Of course. And so we're just wired differently.

We're wired to be more selective. So as I'm a feminist and I'm about sexual freedom and do whatever you want, while I promote that, I'm completely a hypocrite because I don't operate that way at all. I let people think that I operate that way. I let people think, and I'm a massive flirt. But I flirt with children. I flirt with old people. Like, I flirt with everybody. I just think it's like, just, it's not like sexual or romantic. It's more just like being playful and having fun and just seeing people and wanting to make

them feel good and wanting to make them smile and laugh. And like, but I don't, but I, I, I am very actual. Maybe it's like my Catholic guilt or something or upbringing and massed and something else. I don't know. But I, I'm very much about, like, I don't know. months go by like I want to be courted basically it's like you basically and you want it come and get it people say too about the engagements I'm like yeah it's because I made dudes like propose

like basically tell me their plans and their intentions with me and like the fact that we are dating for marriage and that's what it is and then I'm like okay cool then now I'll fuck it rains out you know but until they like why but why would I but why it doesn't make any sense to me like I don't go into a job and not and don't ask them what they're like the requirements of it or the salary or whatever like I need to know everything before I get into this It doesn't make any sense to me. I think with females or if you identify as female, your gift, this is my grandma told me.

Your greatest gift is what's between your legs. I'm sorry, but the world, the world starts. My dad used to say dangle your carrot. Yeah, yeah. Oh, 100%. Thanks, dad. My dad used to say the same thing to me. But, like, it's your greatest gift.

And it's a source of power. We give life. It's not just about getting in life. It is power. I'm sorry, but like power pussy. So why would you give that away or give it up or anything? Well, people get really upset. You know, it's interesting. Born and I do this show is man, woman. And I feel like because we do that,

we're able to sometimes have different conversations because we have different perspectives, right, from a gender perspective. And I think sometimes, like this will be a TikTok clip. Someone will see you saying that. And they'll be very triggered and upset saying that. But as a man, I agree with what you're saying. I think it's important. And I have two sisters and I have a daughter. And I think it's important to hold some things back and make the man pursue and chase because it's ingrained. I think there's my perspective in us to one desire that more and to hold it in a different respect level. But I also think it's not only you get access to my pussy if you put the work in.

It's also you don't get access to my energy if you don't put the work in. You don't get access to my witty, charming perfect personality. That being said, though, if you don't put the work in, like put the work in at all. With that being said, though, I do think like if people are just going out and they want to get late and have sex, like power to you. But yeah, that's totally different. I'm saying like, see, I have friends that sit there and say, oh, blah, blah, but I'm like, but you're looking for a relationship.

So why would you give it away? Because that's not, that's not what, like, there's also, I read somewhere, I don't know if this is true, but something like that there is actually a little bit of science. People are like, oh, I slept with me, ghosted me. There is actually, there's a psychological thing that happens or a subconscious thing that happens with men. It's not that. It's called the ick.

It's the ick, but it in the ick, it stems from not because they're like, oh, she gave it up. It's actually subconscious. It's their insecurity thinking if this person was my wife, it was that easy for a man to get her. So it's not that they're actually judging you and like thinking, oh, she's a bad girl, right? They might even like you, but it's because they're scared that that would happen to them because, again, they don't. So it actually comes from kind of a sweet place why they're ghosting you after they fuck you. I also think that makes so much.

But it is. Yeah, they don't. And it's not, it's not the, every time, obviously it can like maybe they can get over that or maybe. But supposedly that has something to do with actually what's happening. to them subconscious. I think it's not enough time also, and I know men maybe think they don't want this, but it's not enough time to develop an emotional connection. Like you're just, it's just there. You're just having sex right away. And that's a, that's an exchange of a certain kind of energy. And I feel if you don't, like if you skip over all of the stuff to develop true intimacy.

Yes. And that's lacking. And you've already got to the end. Yeah. There's something subconsciously. And listen, this happened to me when I used to date around. Yeah. I know what happens to a lot of my guy friends. Like when it's that quick and that immediate, it's not that you don't. It's not that you don't still find that woman desirable, you just don't necessarily want to take it as far as you would if you had to do the pursuit. If you are looking for a relationship, I think you should hold out as long as you possibly can.

Like truly, I think, like, even six months. I'm talking about as long as you can. I usually say four months. I don't like to put people like, no, and I get, everyone's going to have an issue with this. My thing is that it's also shown that, I have rules that I play by.

Obviously, it hasn't gone that well for me. I'm not married. But I do have as many rings of, as Kobe. So it's like, yeah, yeah, give us some rules. So I think minimum four months because at supposedly at three months, people, it's this getting to know you phase where everyone's on their best behavior. Everything's happy. There's extra oxytocin. There's everything's like, you see them in this perfect light. You will notice a lot of people break up or like they don't get in the relationship at like the four month mark. So I like, I think wait until four months at

least. I also think I think men know, and you tell me if I'm wrong, I think men know if they want to marry you at six months. I. Maybe sooner. six minutes six minutes I think they do know and so a lot of the times again when if it's a year and they're like I'm like has he shared his intention with you do you know does he talk about this when people bring up or are you guys going to get married does he like get weird or is like yeah yeah I'm working on it has he talked to your friend and and they're like no I'm like then he's not going to marry you like I yeah I just think at six months they know so I then kind of know when it's like at eight months I can tell and if I start bringing up this conversation they're weird I'm like I'm out

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Do you know how well that works? That was the end of her documentary. I was dying for so I'm obsessed with her. She's a genius. I've loved her forever. It's probably a little more nuanced than that. But basically, no, but if you want to test it, just at the beginning of relationship, well, okay, another thing I always do

when I'm going on a date with someone is one, I let them ask me with whatever they want to do, drinks or something. I say, well, no, I don't, like, I don't go on a walk. I'm not a dog. I don't go to coffee. This isn't a LinkedIn job interview. You can, and I don't do drinks. I'm like, no, you're not going to be drunk. You can take me to dinner. Love it. Then I make them ask me to dinner. And then I say, actually, let's just have drinks, like, at that restaurant, because I want to see if you, like, pass your audition. And then it's a challenge. And then immediately, they're like, okay, they want to do, you know, and then you have the option. If you do want to have dinner. I think don't hold back. Get to know that person more. My second is always then definitely

dinner because you need to see how that person interacts with like other people. A lot, a lot, not just the way that they're talking to the staff. If they hold the door open to you, how they are, how they act. Like I always do dinner second, second date. And then third date, I'm daytime, no alcohol. You need to see that motherfucker in the broad daylight and do something boring, do something cultural. Go to the Met, go to the Whitney, walk around awkwardly in a boring place and see how they do. Can you guys make little jokes to each other? Does it feel cute?

Does it feel something? Are they a Philistine? And they're like walking up to a Picasso saying, I could do that. He's an idiot. Don't date that guy. You know, but like three days. Those are usually how I do the first three dates.

And I think that can really, and no kissing, nothing. And it always has to be like opening doors and doing things. And then by the third date too, start to kind of, I just do it early on. Like I think it would be unabashedly like, this is what I want. I say I'm dating right now to have fun.

or I'm dating because I'm curious or I say I'm dating because I want to be in a committed relationship. I just and then you can take it or leave it. Not everyone takes it, but I don't care. At least I know. I'd rather find out date three than wait three months and be like analyzing everything in my friend group chat

that he says and does. I have a question. Are you now, are you on these dating apps? I'm embarrassing on Raya. You're in Raya. Well, because I miss the whole dating app thing sort of long.

Oh, you're lucky. Sad for you. You didn't miss it. I miss it. I miss it. You dodged a boy. But I wonder now with that, I think a lot of people that I talk to, they feel a pressure to to move things along quicker because people have so many more options.

Back when we were dating, it's like if I was lucky to meet. You're saying that you didn't have any options. That's why you married me. You did have options the whole entire school of Arizona. No, no. Literally. Did you go to ASC? Yeah.

The Harvard of the desert. Wow. Yeah, there were plenty of options there. They probably lined up. They lined up like a new iPhone release. The options were coming when I was holding. your hand out. Well, but it was a different time. But I would saying like maybe I would find one or two, maybe three. But those are the option. I didn't have enough to scroll and scroll. And so like you had

to put more time in, I feel like. I feel like as an argument against that, I think actually the apps have gotten to the point where it's almost disheartening. Like I'll find this because of that very reason, because you do have so many options. And you're like, I just swipe through, at least with Raya, they shut it off after 20. They're like, you need to wait a few more hours. but hinge or something, you can literally go there all day like a gamer and just keep swiping, swiping, like hundreds, if not thousands, especially when you're in a congested area like New York. Have you seen those guys? They create the thing with the pencil eraser. It just swipes right to every single person over and over. And you just keep, I mean, so I think if anything to me, it's a little disheartening. I'm like, really? That's, this is it. This is it. It feels artificial. No, but it feels like people don't put as much time. It doesn't feel like a Charles Dickens antique book. No, it doesn't. It doesn't, which is why I've started asking. my friends and they have been so unhelpful, but I'm like, look, I'm also about history.

And if for hundreds of years, if people were like set up or I'm not saying like a range, but essentially set up or whatnot, it worked for our grandparents. And there wasn't that high of divorce. Maybe they're all miserable. I don't know. But I want to be set up with someone or I want to have like. What's the type? Put it out there manifested.

What I'm asking is, like say I'm a guy. Like, okay, I'm trying to think of myself back then. You know, I'm really into someone, but they're saying, hey, you're going to wait four to six months. and then I got this thing on my phone that's like hundreds. But my thing is if a guy wants it, he goes and chases it. Do you know what I'm saying here? No, I still, I, that doesn't fret me. If you go have a girl that you want to go swipe right on on Hinge and like you don't want to

wait around for me, then you're not worth it to be in. No, I know, but I'm saying I think what happens is maybe guys start to feel insecure and they're like, this girl, it's four months. She's not in me. Then that's not my husband. Yeah. I know. So what I'm saying is like maybe these things are not the best thing for us because they, they provide

endless optionality. and they decrease the ability to have patience. Yes. Yes. I agree with that. So I want to go back to the question of who is your like dream guy? Like describe him. Daniel Ricardo.

Who's that? The Formula One driver. He's so sweet. He's very cute. Everybody's dream guy. Yeah, he's everybody's dream guy. I don't even know who it is. Good.

Don't worry about it. I feel like someone who is, okay, kind. Okay. That's be kind, have to be funny. Well, on my riot profile, I always say you have to be taller than me. funnier than me and smarter than me. Okay. So those three things for sure. Okay. I love short Kings, but I can't feel like a giant. Okay. And I'm 510. Everyone thinks I'm short, but I'm actually, or like average height, but I'm tall. Five 10 is eliminating a lot of guys.

It is. Only like 8% of the population is over six foot. So you're saying no to David Beckham. You're saying no to Joe Rogan. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I guess. I know, right? You put Joe Rogan with David Beckham? I'm just want to get that clear. Daniel Ricardo also wouldn't meet that things. Formula one drivers have to be smaller because of the weight. Okay, so he has to be taller. He has to be funny. He has to be kind. Cultured. That's a hard of a fine.

That's a hard. Someone too. Good luck. I had an extra ticket next to the ballet or an extra seat at my friend's table. And I literally went through my phone and I realized like every dude that I've dated in the past three years, I'd still like an ex or still single or whatever. I'm going through my phone. I'm like, who could I take to the ballet who has a tux? Who is a clean tux?

And I'm going through and I'm like, nope, nope. This one would probably fall asleep. This one would probably fart in the bell. This one or probably whatever. This one might have a tux, but it's probably dirty. This one's, you know, like, and I was like, there was like two guys, men, I'd say not guys. Two men, I could text. And they were like, oh, honey, I'd love to, but I have prior plans. And I was like, but you have the tux ready to go. And they're like, of course, baby. And I was like, oh my God, those guys should probably start dating in. So they have to own a tux. They have to own a tux. They have to be, they do have to be successful in their own right. Okay. It's not about money. It's about ambition. It's about like, no trust, fund. kids anymore. I did that and that never works out. Why doesn't that ever work out? Because especially for 30, you know how it goes. There's someone who like the grandfather over who made the money who is the immigrant and didda da da da da da da da. Made the whole fortune, right? This is like succession. I've dated succession type families and dudes. And then this the, the next generation,

they grew up with the money, but then they're all fucked up because obviously the one who made the money didn't have the time to love them properly, but then they have like all the money. By the time when he gets to the grandchildren, there's there's like, they then boil the money. It's a very interesting thing. I have yet to see like generational wealth unless you're like, you know, one of the names like a Rockbell or something, I don't know.

Or like, and they kind of write off the curtails of the thing and the legacy and it's like, I think I've yet to see one of these, oh, maybe a couple that can actually like take like the last name and, you know, and being the son or grandson of a billionaire and like actually do something really, really worthwhile for it. And I think it must be hard.

It's like being Michael Jordan's son. Like, are you going to be that good of basketball? I don't know. And then you have all the money in the world to like have fun with. So no more trust fund guys. Yeah, someone who's like, I like, I like it if you've given like a talk. Like you've done like a TED talk. If I can Google you and you're standing up in a room of people and you're giving some talk about something important.

Like if they like talked about if they're like presenting at the IMF, I'm like masturbating. If you haven't done a TED talk like just leave. Yeah, yeah. Or just some sort of presentation. I like when it's like it's always like. forums or like a techcom or something like important stuff or like that's that's what gets me and I'm like wow I like I love smart I like if you if you have patents I like I do I think it's hot I think it's hot I like academic patent pending patent pending okay who doesn't have patent pending you know what I'm okay so straight up patent has to be awarded yeah patent has to be awarded you have more than I do yeah do you really have a patent I do hey what's got Look at you, girl. You got a good one.

You have a patent. Jeppid. So you check that box for me. That's hot. Amazing. That's hot. I have not given a TED Talk about. Let's name our first born patent.

I mean, our second born son patent. That's a cute name. It is a cute name. You should name. Yeah. Patent. Lauren, do you have a patent. Oh.

You do. Oh, you do too. Hey, girl. So maybe if the men don't work out, you know. I'm at the point in my life. People keep asking me about the Jenna stuff and they're like, how do it? Was that real? I like, look, I like to tease Jenna.

I love making her blush. And she's a very easy person to make blush. She's very sweet. And I just have been making people blush since I was like 10 years old. But now watching it back. And then too, she had posted from Paris Fashion Week. She's like, I didn't know. I forgot she could speak French.

She's like in these glasses in bed. And she's like ordering food in French. I'm like, that could have been me. And you know, sometimes you think like something's a joke and you're like, I had the clue of this moment. Like maybe I'm in love with Josh. She's doing a TED Talk. You can Google her and she's giving like speaking.

She's smart. Yes. I literally had this moment. And I was like, wait, I was doing it for like. cakes is trying to be funny. And I was like, hang on a second. Like, why? Like, why not? She's in a relationship now so I can't. But I was like, I'm at the age. I don't, and maybe it's 20, 23 and all the young kids are doing it. I just don't care. I've dated so many. I keep saying, I don't, the only thing I care about what's in your pants is your wallet. Like, that's it. Why would I care

about your genitals? Like, I'm old. I want to have children and get married. Maybe you and Jenna have a future. Honestly, I'm not going to lie as a viewer. I was like, they have chemistry. I'm going to go watch it back now. Yeah. I have this feeling for her that is very, very special. I think I probably, you know what? It's like when you feel so close to someone like Harry Metz Allen, you're like, am I actually maybe in love with my best friend?

It's that sort of thing. I think it's like that sort of thing. But I have to be respectful because I love her girlfriend is fucking amazing. I'd also date her girlfriend too. When you go on a show. Maybe just a thruple. If Michael and I break up, we can just do a four. Quadrople?

Yeah. Great closet. The, our faces would be snatched from ice and balls. Right? We only have enough balls. Oh, by the way, I texted this guy. He's like, what are you doing? I was like, I just have balls in my face.

And I took a selfie. I'm going to say to you. And he was like, I don't know what that means, but do you want to have dinner next week? And I was like, okay, so I was like, okay, Ken. Thanks a lot. But it's so funny. But it's a funny thing to tell people. I was like, I have balls my face.

And I waited. He was like, question mark, question mark. And then I sent it to thing. He's not funny enough. Exactly. But that's what I'm saying. You need to like give me something back. You got to be quick.

Or even like send me your interviewer balls back. Like something cool. But the fact that he didn't understand. And he had watched my Instagram story that day. Yeah. Didn't get it. If we break up, then I'm going to give TED Talks. I'm going to file for a few more patents.

You're going to have to grow a few inches so, honey. No, you know, I was wondering about the show. When you go on the show, because so New York, I don't watch a lot of housewives, but when you are such a liar. You'd peripheral it all the time. I watch New York. You watch Beverly Hills. I watch, I like New York better, but I do.

watch Beverly Hills. I've seen a couple eyes on Jersey. I've never seen, I've seen Jersey. You like the guys on Jersey. Do you guys watch it together? Yeah. That's cute. No, I just go downstairs. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. But do you feel, because what I love about New York is like before, it was just so, it was nuts. You know, it was just nuts. Do you feel a pressure to like live up to that level of, dare I say crazy? There was a, there was a time and like the other girls can tell you, when we were filming for a couple months and there was a little things, there was like the me and Aaron thing. But again, having watched it. And I don't think the girls are my test claimed that they've watched it. I don't think that all of them have or like not like how we have. But I was

worried. I was like, this is boring. A couple times I would like leave a scene where we just had lunch. And I would like take my mic pack off. And I was like, am I the only person that fucking came to work today? Like we would leave sometimes at the beginning. We might shouldn't be saying this. But we would leave. And then like we'd all go to dinner afterwards. And they're all like, yeah, like saying, saying making more dick jokes than me, saying hilarious stuff. Like, these girls are funny. When I tell you they're funny, I think some of them did hold back. They're so funny.

They're so crazy. They're saying shit. They're cursing more. And I was like, where was this? Why am I? Why are me and Aaron the only ones that are like giving it, you know? And they're like, oh, no, no, no. Like, we're not kind of, the people were holding back for sure.

And I think, again, the audience called it out though. Yeah. Yeah. They did. And understandably so. I get it. This was new. First of all, look, this was the scariest thing ever.

This is like the trust fall off Mount Everest, right? Because we don't, we promised it was going to be different. It's a new era. But we didn't know. And at the end of the day, you never know, even though it's respected institutions, you never know what's going to happen or how it's going to look. What about the cast member that got kicked off? Like, or what happened she?

It was with her, Lizzie. Lizzie's amazing. But it was like, as a lot of stuff started happening with her school at her kid's school. So she decided she didn't want to be on it. Yeah, because it's like she needed, like I understand that. Look, this is hard enough. At the kid's school, like other parents? I think at the time, there's stuff being said or she's saying stuff like Kanye.

I don't know. Like it's like, and I think it was about safety and her family safety. And that I understand and respect because look, this is hard enough. And look, and I have had things thrown at me and said to me. But like if someone start talking about like children in my life, like my god children or nieces, I would immediately be like nothing is worth the people at her school. No, no. I think there was like TikTok threats or something.

I don't know. So she just said this is not. It's not, she prioritized her family. That's all, yeah, that's all that. But my question is more, was it weird to be filming with someone and then you guys have to cut these scenes with this person? No, because we had, we barely had started it. So it wasn't a big deal. Yeah, it literally wasn't.

I don't even think I hadn't filmed with her. I think that's the difficulty, though, with these shows. So we work obviously with a lot of people that go on television shows. But what Lauren and I do, we kind of have this controlled environment. Like, we're going to produce this. Yeah. And we self-produce. Like, there's no.

Yeah. I don't have to get the green light from anybody. to put something out or take something, whatever I want to do is basically what I got to do. And I feel like the audience, when they tune into something like this, treats us different than they treat reality television stars. And same with like other celebrities.

Like maybe if you're in a movie, like I feel you guys, your lives get dissected. Yes. And the audience feels entitled to dissect it. I'm not saying that that's wrong, but it's just a different thing. They are entitled to a point, right?

because we're putting ourselves out there. But it's this ongoing battle, I think, between fans themselves, fans in the show, us and fans and us within ourselves, right? Of like what feels I want to share versus I didn't want to share. And I think it's just the Wild Wild West and it's like a case-by-case scenario. But I've like, yeah, you see that. And you're like, well, you're on a TV show. You should share that.

They don't, they shouldn't have to if they don't want to. We're never pressured to share anything that we don't. But I think it's sometimes too, when I see some of the comments and people in our own arguments getting so like paragraphs like Charles Dickens you know paid for by the word level and their interior and like dissecting things whatever and then you just want to be like get it but like it's a show so it's I I guess it's confusing maybe for people because it is it is real but it is a show it's just this thing that you keep like going ping pong back and forth that's really hard I think someone then that has to do this you have to be able to like be able to differentiate reality from reality

like watching it back with the girls, you know, it's been like tough because it's with your friends and eight months ago conversations you don't remember. You see their inner thoughts. You see them in confessionals and you're like, dude, you told me you're okay. And then you sat there and were like, well, that was that. And you're like, what's wrong with you? And it was so long ago. You have to be able, though, to like navigate it. It's not, it's nothing.

Kudos to every single person who has ever done it from the bachelor to survivor to whatever. It's extraordinarily difficult. Yeah, it's interesting for me to observe because like I said, we produce. a lot of shows. So we produced a handful of the Vanderpump podcast and shows. Oh, nice. Yeah. And then I remember back in the day when Stasi had some drama, we produced that show too. And listen, we have shows where people say wild shit all the time. But I feel like the standard, quote unquote, a podcast host is held to is not nearly the same as someone in your position, right? Well, like, I've never been berated so many times when something pops off on one of those shows.

And like, what are we going to do? I'm like, treat it like how we treat every other show. But it's just the audience responds so much differently. Yeah. So differently than they do to like if I say something wild on here compared to like if one of, you know what I'm saying? And that's what we signed up for. But I think nothing can ever prepare you for it. And it's hard to not get sucked in. The thing that gives me when I, because there's been a lot of like really, really gross things around about me.

And like the thing though that I have what brings me back and makes me feel okay with it is I'm like when you compare. Right. It's always about ratios. Just numbers. the number of people that say something about with the number of people that say something good. Also, I think someone who has the audacity

or just frankly the time to see something on TV, be that that's on Bravo, no offense, but it's not BBC. And then go online, take time or other to go online and write something so upset. Again, Neville Godard,

everyone is you turned out. I'm like, that person's going through stuff. And I actually just like hit Restrict, and I'm like, I hope they're okay because the only like, no, it doesn't make sense to me. Like, I watch TV. I watch The Bachelor.

I see funny stuff. I laugh at them. I roll my eyes. Like, oh, maybe that's the villain or she's silly. But I don't then, like, take the following steps of out of my day. I'm intrinsically angered. Go on my phone. Go on this person's Instagram handle and write something mean to them.

It's because something that you're doing is triggering something in them that they don't let, yes. That they don't like it and they're projecting it onto you. They're absorbing it and seeing something. And when I write, which again, so when I see the things, at first it was hard. I'm like, what the hell? This is weird. And then I'm like, to someone to take all those steps and nowhere along the way to say,

you know, I'm just going to put my phone down. This is a TV show. This is weird. They're here to entertain us. Maybe I don't like Bryn, but I'm not going to go out of my way to send her a DM about with all my thoughts about her and why her trauma is relating and she's being a whatever with guys. Like, something's not right there.

Oh, the level. I was just tagged in another one just this morning. I didn't restrict. And they're like, I just want to let you know that your unresolved trauma is annoying me. and I can't stand this show and think those. And I'm like, they have unresolved trauma. Well, that's the thing.

Yeah. And I think it's hard for people to see someone happy and confident. And look, I'm not happy all the time, but like happy and confident. Like, hey, this shit happened to me, but like I'm not going to let it get me down. And I'm going to try my best. I'm going to move to New York. I'm going to be unafraid. And then somehow I'm going to end up on like an amazing TV show.

You know, like I think that's hard for people to see because maybe it's not turning out like that for them. They're using their trauma as an excuse not to execute on whatever it is. Yeah. execute on. Because it can always go two ways in life. Like, and I think you have to be very careful. When bad things happen to you,

you can sit there and say, okay, oh me, oh me. And sometimes you become the thing that was your trauma, right? Or you can let it. And look,

I think it sometimes it'd be easier. I don't blame those people who let their trauma affect them because it's hard. It's horrible to like, it's the most difficult thing to be like, I'm not going to let this thing affect me.

So you go one of two ways. You become it or you let it affect you or you just say, no, I'm going to use this and turn it into a superpower. I think I just got lucky. Like I think, I don't know. Sometimes I think it's me, but sometimes I think it's pure luck.

Like, because it's tough. It's tough. Like, I don't judge people that, like, are just sitting in their own self-missory because it's a, it's a tough warp to get out of. Well, it sounds like you've done a lot of inner work and you've been really introspective and really thoughtful. And you spend a lot of time thinking and meditating. I mean, it doesn't seem like it's been an easy road.

I think, you know what it was? It was a failed relationship with someone who I read. There's been few guys where I love them more. and this, there was one of them. And I was madly in love with them. And I probably still am in love with them. And it didn't work out. I kept pushing him away. I kept running away. And he said, don't, don't do this. Don't run away. Don't push me away. But that was like my defense mechanism. And I did it for like the 10th time. And he's like, I'm done. I can't do this. It took that relationship. And I was like, I lost out on an amazing relationship because of my trauma. And I was like,

that's it. I was like, I don't care what it takes. I don't care if I do electric shock therapy. like I'm getting rid of this because it's it's not working out for me. Like I was able to like suppress it for work and like use it as a super far and work. But interpersonal relationships, it was like a shit show. So it took that. It took that experience for me to be like, that's when I started Alan Watts. That's why I saw it. I just was like I'm doing it.

I think that when you grow up in chaos that it's very easy to become addicted to the chaos and feel comfortable in the chaos. Oh, you do. And if you aren't self-aware and able to look at yourself from an outside perspective and really thoughtful and purposeful about how to remove yourself from the chaos, you will recreate it wherever you are. Oh, you're created as an adult and you don't even realize you're doing it. And actually consciously, I have people in my life I know about this. Consciously, and to me and to themselves, they're like, I don't know how this happened. I don't want this. I hate this. This is my worst nightmare. But they don't realize that they created it themselves. Right. Because your brain, when we're young, and that's why it's so important with children, you have to protect children. is because it's such a formative time one through seven and one through five, one through seven. And you need to make sure that, and that's when things are being wired. So like your brain just gets wired to the chaos is normal.

Right. So that's like being wired to where you feel safe. It's not guaranteed for everyone. It's not, oh, this actual safe place is where you always feel safe. If something happens, you're wired to feel like the trauma is safe. So that's why then as an adult, you seek it out. because even if everything, when everything's normal and happy around you, you start, that's abnormal to you. Right. And I still deal with a little bit of that. Sometimes when everything's going my way, I'm like, no, no, something bad is going to happen now. I'm too happy. This is too good. I just had this conversation with a friend this weekend. I was like, crying at Waverly in. And I was like, it's too good. I'm too happy right now. Something bad's going to happen. And she's like, I think this is the next lesson you need to learn is just to accept it and to accept all the people saying nice things to you. And to accept like,

the good that's happening, not thinking, this is going to go away, this is going to run out, like, this is going to get taken from me. You almost have to surrender. Yeah, yeah, 100%. I want to go back to what you were telling us because we got, our conversation took a turn, but I wanted you to go back and for you to give us the roadmap of your fiancés, because I just need to like under, you were saying that you guys, that you broke up because you would tell them that you didn't want to get married or you did want to get married.

I did want to get married. Each one of them too. It was me wanting to get married and pushing them to get married. And they wouldn't want to. And then you would break up and... And then I'd be like, fine. Got it. I'm done.

I don't want to. And then is when they would propose. So it's all this like... Got it. And call me crazy. And that's every single one of them. Every single one of them. And how many fiancés?

Okay. Well, three fiancés and there's three engagements. Three fiancés. Okay. But been proposed to a lot. And you still have the rings? No. God, no.

Why can't you keep the rings? No, no, no. You never keep the ring. It's weird. First of all, you don't want it. Because the ring is a promise. You don't want it. You don't want it.

Trust me, you don't want it. Even though they're great. I mean, there's been a couple times I'm like, oh, just for jewelry purposes or like, because I want to be Elizabeth Taylor. So you give it back. You give it back. I'm just wondering the protocol. You give it back. You give it back.

Oh, you do. Yeah. Men never proposed to a woman on her birthday or on a holiday because then she can claim that it was a gift. Any other day out of the, I know. I'm helping the guys too. That's a chat. your book. Yeah, but yes. Can I say something?

Technically in like in all like 48 states, you have to actually give as a piece of prop, you have to give it back. I told my sisters this growing up all the time and I'm going to tell my daughter this. Men are, I will just pick on a stuff. We are big, dumb animals. We don't see the world nearly as gray as people think. And I believe that if you're dating a man and you're confused about his intentions, it's a pretty clear answer. That's your intuition. Being like, we are very very, very, very. straight up like I've never met a man that's confused like do I want to be with her do or do you don't and yes it's I mean a hundred but you guys are so simple we're the one that

complicates you when he likes you he's he's I said I said this on watch what happens live and he's like really I'm like no when a man wants you he's literally flying to another country to take you to dinner hundred true story if my sister's ever came in when we were growing up saying I'm confused if this guy likes me I say he doesn't like you no yeah but I know that's mean to say my there's no confusion my friends will tell me like well I'm like I thought you had a dinner date with him so-and-so tonight. They're like, no, well, he's really busy with work. He can't text you back. Here's a story I tell it. There is a very amazing top-tier NBA player that I briefly dated, everyone's dated him. But I briefly dated, and it was something with like, we got into a little bit

before it was like game four or five of the NBA finals. And he's a star player in this game. Okay, and it's like, I don't know what year. I'm not going to, because I will give away. So anyhow, what does his name rhyme? I'm not saying. I had texted him something for the game and whatever that I was like mad. I was like being me, me, me. And during, I was, I was like, and during. And during, half time. I have a miss call. And he's a text. He's like, babe, don't be like that. Like, it's cool. Right. So anyway, so to this day, it didn't work out with him because like he dates everybody. He's amazing. But I tell everyone if blank blank can text me back during game five of the finals, nobody is that busy. I don't care if you're Jeff Bezos. You are not like a man is not that bit.

Like, come on. Do you know, when they want you? When they want you, they want you. Look at the, look at Lauren who he's dating. I love her. It's amazing. She's an amazing person to look at. Yeah. He is in love with her for a very specific reason. She has a big personality. She brings the fun.

Yeah. Tell she's fun as fuck. And you can tell too. I bet she would have a problem breaking up. I can tell. No one came about breaking up with him. She'd be like net. She does not care.

Yes. I love her. I think fiancee. Yeah. She got him. It's because she knows how to play the game. And I think she's like, I don't care if you're like one of the richest dudes.

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Either likes you or he doesn't, she likes you, she doesn't. Of course, there's things you can do in the dating period. But whenever I've talked to anyone that is running circles trying to validate and explain like why it's either working or not. I'm like, listen, it's pretty simple. Like they either want to be with you or they don't. I also have a theory that I just think humans in general don't like desperate energy. No. It's a turn off in friendships.

It's a turn off in business relationships. It's a turn off when you're signing a contract. 100%. It's a turn off to an investor. Yeah. And it's a turn off to sexual energy. And I think that if you find yourself leaning in too hard and being too desperate, that's a surefire way to get someone to be turned off by you.

Yeah. And you can be, like I feel like there's, and it doesn't matter where you come from. I think you can have that. That's people to understand that confidence is free. Confidence is, you know, like you can choose it. You can choose confidence and happiness. And it's free. And anyone can do it. So I don't care if you're, you know, like maybe never got to go to school at all and you're, you know, working through whatever your background is. But you can always like, if you can walk into any job or any employer and be like, no, I deserve this pay or this what if you're a truly good employee. I just feel like it's like a thing that people think, oh, people ask me, how are you so confident? I wish I was confident. I'm like, it's in you. You just have to choose. I'm confident. You have to mentally say, I'm going to walk in this room and I own it. It's an energy field. It's like.

It's a choice. I'm not confident every day. I choose to be. I think it has to do with self-worth. A lot of people struggle with self-worth because maybe they're not doing things in their personal life, regardless of what's going on outside to validate themselves and to better themselves. So they're looking for validation from the outside as opposed to validating themselves from within. Yeah. But I think that's when you have to be really tough with yourself and your own inner. I love David Gaggins. I know he's a little confessional. I mean, like controversial. But like I think his story too of just like don't rely on anyone else. No, it's you.

You answer to you. You like I have yelled at myself before. Like Bryn, get the fuck up and do something. You know what I'm saying? And I'm like I'm a fan of tough love. But I love David Gagins and I love how he's just like you're, it's you against you. It's not you against the world. It's you against you.

You can do anything. You can have anything. It's all like you just make your mind and your body do it, you know? If someone's listening and they're single. Yeah. Tell us all the things that you love about being single because you were telling us off here. And I think that being single for anyone who's listening that's single is such a moment and it's so fun and you have everything on your own terms. Tell us all the things you love about it. I love having my space in my house. I think when I'm like it's so nice. It's quiet. It's all my stuff. It's just like a little like cocoon a jewelry box of bread. It's very, very nice. I think even when I'm married, I read actually in Business Insider, it said a few months ago that people married a couple of. who have separate bedrooms are actually like reported to be happier and whatnot. What about like a separate house? Interesting.

No, not separate house, but like separate bedrooms. And like I think I want, I want to sleep in the same bed as my husband every day. But I think, I mean, 100% I need a separate bedroom, like my own bedroom. Sorry, a bathroom. Yeah. Bathroom I need. So I can do girl magic. I need him to have a toilet in a separate room with soundproof walls.

And like, yeah, but having my own space is amazing. Get him a porta potty outside and call it today. I think, I think you have more money. People ask me like, what do hollow? I don't, it's not that I'm like rolling around in it. I have money because I didn't have kids. If like, what do I have to pay? My rent, my eyelashes, my cell phone bill.

It's not that hard. I'm 38. I hope I would be in the point in life where I'm making more money than like minimum wage. I've worked really hard for 17 years. But like if you don't have kids, life hack, you have a shit ton of money. Right. Literally. Statistically, like Google it.

The richest women in the world are like single childless women. Like you have more money if you don't have kids. It's very simple because I don't have responsibilities. I don't have a mortgage. or I don't have dogs and like I don't have all this stuff. So I think you have money, therefore you have more freedom to just do whatever you want. Being single is awesome because like when I wake up in the morning, I can just be, I literally just say, what do I want to do today?

And it's like I take my newspaper. I go have breakfast. I see a friend. I go shopping. I go get a pedicure. And then I go home and I watch like Bridgeton. Like that's like I don't have. So yes, are there a lot of times because I want to be a wife because I want to be a mommy that I feel

really bad about myself or I feel like I shouldn't have did it. And look, my friends are on their first marriages, second marriages. And, like, I do feel bad. And I'm worried. I have anxiety about the future. And I don't want to wake up 45 without and not be able to have children. Like, that's a massive worry for me. But I'm trying to remember, like, if I can manifest it and if the universe wants it for me, I will have it.

And I'm going to look back. I've been saying this a lot the past year looking around my apartment. I'm like, I'm going to look back and I'm going to be like, you know. 100%. When I had my studio apartment, I look back and I was like, oh, my God, that was such a sweet. It was sweet. And I think I'm seeing it now. And sometimes too, I actually got nervous because of the fact, sometimes I sometimes I realized with my manifestations, the second that I am that level of gratitude realization, then that's when it's almost done being over. You know, so I actually got really nervous. And I was like, oh, no, what if it's happening? Like, what if I, I keep saying I want to get married. What if I'm married in six months? I'm going to be like, I will take me back. You know, like, have a really long engagement. No, I'm going to go to Vegas. I'm just new. You got to get me drunk and take me in the courthouse. Just get done with it. I, I want to. I, I want to. be someone's wife. I don't want to be a bride. I think people make this decision rather cavalierly. Does that Michael has a real opinion on this? No, no, no. I think that unless you're with somebody

that you're really certain about, that you want to build a life with, have children. I mean, that's a whole other thing. Like one thing to be in a relationship, another thing to get married and share a house and income. Another thing to have children and raise them for the rest of their adult lives. So I think unless you're absolutely certain that that's the person that you want to not only be with, but co-parent with and all those things. I agree. It's better to just wait and be selective. I think it's not great. Like I've made it this far. I've gotten through in late 20s, early 30s, weddings, going to weddings by myself, going to weddings right after I called off my engagement the same week. And literally the person's place card with their name is still there and

all the looks like, I've weathered all of that. So at this point, I've come this far. Maybe I just go the whole thing. No, I mean, no offense to the to the world of Bravo, but I think people see what happens when relationships don't go well. Yeah. And to me, that's my worst number. I would rather be single forever, then deal with that kind of drama with an intimate partner, right? Totally. And so the difficulty is sometimes people feel pressure with age or whatever to just say, like, I have to do this and I have to have children, I have to be married. But then they end up with someone that they shouldn't be with. And it's a disaster. I've been tempted. I've been tempted with a few exes. I was like, maybe I should just. What relationships have worked out on reality TV? I'm just

actually wondering. Like, is there examples? Like you've been marriages or like? Marriages, relationships. There's a few. There's a few curs. There are some curses. You know, like the people like the biggest curses won the lottery. Have you read that book? Like you just end up dying or imploding or like it's bad stuff happens to people that win the lottery. So what do you think with reality television? With reality TV, I was worried about that. But when it started off, it was me, Jenna and Ubo were the single gals. Jenna is very much in a very happy relationship where she will not confirm her deny the engagement, but technically she's wearing a big ring. She's happy. They found their little thing and whatever it is. And I just told her if there's a wedding,

like I want to give a speech. So please tell me. But I don't know if they're engaged. But she's happy. She has a ring now on the left finger, a giant-ass diamond on the left finger. So she's content in their way. Uba's also an amazing, amazing man. And she's very happy too. So I would have never thought a year ago when we started this, us being the three single gals that like, but they're in a happy relationship. So I'm just hoping that I'm last, the next one.

I've seen some of these guys go on reality TV, though. It doesn't end well for them. They just bite it. I think that a lot of women go on reality television to subconscious. consciously expose their marriage so they can get confirmation biased of how horrible their husband. I've seen that in past seasons. Past seasons, I know exactly which ones you're talking about. They'll bring the husband on to be like, oh my God, he's so verbally abusive and I'm just going to take it. And I'm going to let the audience be the judge and jury. Yeah. And then I don't need to feel bad when I leave

him. And I'm simultaneously building my own brand and making my own money. Yeah. I think that some have done that in past seasons perhaps deliberately. And I think some have done it on intentionally. Yes. Like, we see that in real life of people with friends and being like, they're talking about their husbands and you're like, why are you blabbing to everyone that he, da-da-da-da-da, or something happened or he lost all this money or I'm like, are you trying to, is this like a flat?

Are you trying to get out of it? They take the broomstick and they ride it. Yeah, and they start, or they just take all the dirty laundry and they start airing it for everyone. And it's like, I've had friends like that where I'm like, why are you, I have a rule two in relationships now in my 30s. I do not tell friends shit. You should.

You should. And don't tell family. Steve Harvey? Does he do? Family too? Oh yeah. I love Steve Harvey too. He's giving me half my relationship advice.

One of the best clips on this is basically talking about how his marriage is a closed circle. Meaning it's like his hand and his wife and his other hand. And like no friends, no families allowed to participate. In our marriage, we don't, like, of course we have issues as any married couple. We have an argument or we disagree on something. But we're never going to friends or family. Don't. Here's the thing.

You can't take it back to. If I'm trashing my husband to you, I'm trashing you to someone else. Exactly. Exactly. Tell your therapist. an energy in. Tell your therapist. They're always going to be biased.

They're not in it. They don't know the day to day. Tell your therapist. Don't tell family and friends. Because then when you want to get back or when you're on better terms, because that happens. You're going to get mad. You're going to get frustrated. You're going to trash your husband or wife.

Maybe you might even think about separating. I'm just thinking to the best of your ability, as long as it's not like a true, not true, but as long as it's not like a serious matter that needs attention or professional intervention or something. Like abuse or something like that. But I think everything else just like kind of keep it to yourself. I've noticed my relationships, my 30s have gone so much better because I, every five seconds. wasn't like, da-na-na-na-na-na-na. Maybe if you have one friend, like, I tell some of my friends when they're bashing me at so-and-so, they know, though, with me, I'm an Aquarius. So, like,

they can tell me anything. I say, look, wherever they're at, I'm support. You hate him today? I hate him. You love them tomorrow? I love him. And it's not even fake. I show up, and I'm, like, generally friends with them again or generally will hate them. But I can do that in my brain because I just love you so much, so I'm just along for the ride. But I have never, I haven't met a friend like that where I truly trust that they can just turn on and turn off or wherever you are today. We love them or behave. Like, what do you want to do? Let's go. I think you have to be very, very careful because I think people have, they don't even know, but they could be subconscious kind of jealous or they're trying whatever. I don't know. People, or they use it as gossip.

This is why I don't think relationships are good for reality TV because, like we were just talking about in our life, we deal with all our stuff, which is Lauren and I. And imagine now you have the world commenting. Oh, he said this. And she said this and you're dealing with that outside pressure and that outside energy. You can't tell that. I'm a single gal. That's why I did this in the irony that the show is called Housewives and I'm not married. I say not to bash the other people in my show or anyone who's ever done this. I don't know if I would do this if I were married. I think I've waited so long when I find that person. I'm going to protect it with my life. I'm not, I think the reason why people do it is because they're in a very good position. I know

at least the one's on my cast in their marriages that they can where they're strong and in a really great place. I think no one knows how much people then comment on your marriage and do things based off tiny little conversations. I would respect anyone who would be like for their family or for their spouse, like, I watched this back. That was a lot. I don't want to do it. It's brutal.

And I just think, if I had kids, I don't think I would do this because it's too much time. It's exhausting. It's taxing. A lot of work. I don't know. I'm exhausted and these women are doing it.

They have children. Yeah, it's a lot of work. And play dates in school. I'm like, how are you doing glam and doing this? And then we do something. You're like, let's go out to dinner. I'm like, don't she need to go. Like, I'm exhausted.

I go to bed at like eight o'clock. I'm like a grandma. When you have kids, you'll go to bed at 530. Yeah. Like the ones that I used to watch the OG, New York and the OG Beverly Hills and the Orange County. And it's just, it's not a judgment, just an observation. Look at all those people that started that show in marriages.

And then how many of them ended or still doing the show and the marriage was broken? There's very few that have actually lasted. People would say at the beginning of this, wait, I don't get it. So you're married? How can you be on the show if you're not married? And I would always tell them, you know the last season, the OGs, their last season, the last three years of their season, two or three years. They've been divorced.

There was not one married person on it. They were all either divorced or singled or widowed or single. Yeah. So it's not historically, like they've kept the name, I think, because it's just the name of the brand name for 18, 17 years. I think you can be a housewife though and like be single. Yeah. I say I'm a housewife in training.

Yeah. I also very much plan to like be a traditional housewife. Like my grandmother raised me to be that way. Like I get in fights with people about this. People say, no, but you worked your whole life. and you're, it is in me to work. But I very much just want to be like a mother. I'm going to be a doting mother and a very doting wife.

And I think, I think during third wave or whatever, third wave feminism or fourth wave, I think it was a huge con that we all like fought for rights. But then we ended up just doing two jobs and not getting paid anymore. Like now we have to work and we have to be a mom. Like mothers are the soul like the lifeblood of like the world. Like a mother being able to properly take care of her kids. I think that, I don't know, I think if you want to, if you want to go to work, because I have some friends that are like, oh my God, after two months, I'm ready, just like get the nanny and I want to go work. But right now and how I've been for a decade is like, I just want to be a stay-at-home mom until at least if I'm able to financially and et cetera, it's a luxury and a privilege.

But if I can have that, I'm 100% doing it. I mean, I think that you should be able, I think what I hope feminism is is being able to do whatever you want to do on your own choice. I think where it gets sticky is when you're not doing what is supposed to be fitting neatly in the box. Yeah. I think you should be able to do. You could work your whole ass off, work so hard and then decide you want to be a doting mom and a wife. Yeah. Like I think you should be able to be fluid with it.

Yeah. I just think for me it's like being a mother is going to be the most important thing. To me, it's the thing I've always wanted. I'm going to have all these things I'm sure where I'm like trying to make up for the lack of what I had and stuff. So I'm going to do all of that. You're going to be a great mom. Oh, thank you. Yeah.

You're going to be a great mom. Thank you. I hope. What are some wellness things that you do? Wellness. What do I do for wellness? Wellness, I do intermittent fasting. Okay. What time do you stop eating? What time do you start? I start eating. Like today, I haven't had anything with coffee. Okay. I'll have something at two. I have noticed. Okay, there's a couple of things. I've noticed when I only eat between two and eight and I kind of can eat them whatever I want, I'm fine. When I'm snacking in the morning or late at night, not doing intermittent fasting, and I struggle, like in my 30s, my metabolism is shot.

Like if I have it takes me It takes me Like three days to put on weight And then like three months to lose it Like it's crazy And I'm tall but people don't know I was 15 pounds heavier When I was filming

Than I was before filming or after filming Because when they contact me I was in the south of France like eating like a shit Like it was like I was just shrugging rosé And like eating for gras Because it was like going to become illegal Literally I'm just like stuffing it in my mouth But I do that

I'm healthy all throughout the year So that I can just go balls to the wall not care and I don't care about working out. I don't care about calories or intermittent fasting and I'm just boozing and drinking. So, but yeah, if I do intermittent fasting, it's fine. Also, if you increase your protein, I know it sounds really bad, but you don't have to, I believe you don't have to work out. I think that if you just walk, which I do, I'll like make sure I'm walking, not wearing heels, but walking around the city, walk as much as you can. Get in like 15 to 20,000 steps a day. That's a lot of steps. But in New York is a lot of steps. I know.

It's not a lot of steps. You're so lucky. When I go to L.A., I immediately turn back into L.A. Brin where like people like let's just go like we have to see vass. I'm like can we drive. Like I drive. I do not walk at all in less. 20. I wish that I could walk those steps. Walk. Eat your body. My brother taught me this. Eat your body weight and protein. So whatever your body rate is, we eat that much grams of protein. And then drink two liters of water. And all of a sudden I'll be like, I look ripped. How did I look ripped? And da da da. It's like those are my secrets. Like chugging water like it's no regard. Interminute fasting and just eating a ton of protein. And then I have a sweet tooth. So I'll eat like 130 grams.

with protein, but then I do eat, like I'll go to daily provisions. I get the Kronet thing. Like, if you just eat a ton of protein, I think that's kind of like a hack. Like your body just... The best hack. Yeah, you feel like you don't want anything else. Yeah. Just eating a ton of protein. Yeah, yeah. You just consume it. I have the little muscle milk shakes of 40 grams. So I, like, I'll drink one of those today. What about alcohol? What's your drink choice? Oh, I love whiskey and bourbon. Here's the thing. Really? Yeah, I love whiskey and bourbon. I love it. Like straight or in a drink? I like, I like whiskey straight. I like bourbon. in like old fashion or something like that.

My problem is, though, I love alcohol, and I'm a fun drunk. Like, half the show people don't realize I'm, like, hammered in a lot of issues. And I'm like, I'm like, that was my proudest thing watching. I was like, I come off really sober. I was so drunk, A, because I'd get bored while filming. And then it's always like, this is free alcohol. Like, and I just drink. And like, and I'm also kind of, as I've gotten older, a lightweight,

where it takes me like two or three drinks. I'm like, falls to the walls. I was hammered in a lot, a lot of scenes. They're like, just I'm pretty drunk. I had to be careful, though, because, A, my hangovers last two days, they're really ugly in my 30s hangovers, like really, really bad. That's the problem. I get really depressed, too. I'm like, the next time, I'm like, what did I do?

I haven't worked out. Oh, my God, I didn't do that. I'm just an idiot. And I look at, like, I have, like, $400 with the Ubers. And, of course, I, I, like, picked up the tab for dinner with people that are way richer than me. I'm like, what am I doing? Like, what am I doing? Like, who am I trying to impress here?

This is idiot. I'm an idiot. So I get really regretful and angry. But I love drinking, though. I really do. And I'm a happy drunk. I just keep drinking more. And I'm always like, you know, the people I don't like, I'm like, I fucking love you, man. I'm that person. I'm like, should you go to Vegas? Like, I'm just like, fuck it. Like, I'm picking up tabs. I'm making friends with everyone. I'm in the bathroom talking and the attendant being like, do you, you have to send? No, it's about first generation setting. You're like, I'm going to get your girls into Marymont. I know someone on the board. Like, I'm just making promises to people, giving my phone number to everyone. Like, I'm everywhere. And then I go home and eat mozzarella sticks. Sounds like a fun time. Life hack. DoorDash in the Uber on your way home. That way and then meet so the food's there. Don't never wait till you're home.

There's the mozzarella sticks from. Mod sticks? Oh, like the Hollywood Diner. It's right. Yeah, it's pretty close to me on 15th or 16th and six. Hollywood diner. They're open late. That's good. Yeah, yeah. My last and final question, I have to ask you this because I feel like you're the perfect person to ask, what perfume are you wearing? Oh my gosh. Thank you. Portrait of a lady. Frederick. I don't know how to say the name because I can't speak either. Frederick McCa. McCa. How do you say it? Frederick Mulcal. It smells like, it smells like, it smells what I would think that you smell like after washing the show. Oh my God.

That's so cool. It smells really good. O factory is the number one, oh factory is the number one set. More than for memory, it's more than sight, hearing, anything for memory. Like, scent is the most strongest. Portrait of a lady. Portrait of a lady. I love it.

I'm seeing so many good things for you in your future. Oh, thank you. You can come back any time. That was such a fun, colorful conversation. Where can everyone find you? What are you working on? Tell us about your collab. Do you want me to give you an address?

I'm like, someone at the corner. Someone might want to text you, give them your phone number. Yeah. Slide into my DMs. No, I actually just announced this week that I did a collab with CB2. It's really cute. It's really cute. And look, it's just like curating.

I have them pick some things and make it. It was just really meaningful to me that they saw the Brinsgiving episode. They're like, and I saw the Domino magazine piece. And they're like, we saw that half your apartment CB2. So, hey, stalker. What's up? And they're like also we love, like, we, there did some, CB2 is just different in general, but they're like, we wanted to do something and work with you because what you shared about Friendsgiving and like being, you know, not maybe always feeling like whether you didn't grow up in a fancy house or maybe you have Friendsgiving because there's no family to go to Thanksgiving. But they're like, we just want to celebrate all of that with you.

So I was like, thank you cool design brand. Like that's so nice to like, it's one thing to have brands and partnerships reach out. We'd like to do this and it's a contract. But they reached out like, because it's like sentimental. So it's really amazing. You're on CB2.com. I think I'm on the homepage. Cute.

Looking like a classy housewife. Yeah, your house is beautiful. Oh, thank you. Yeah, it's really beautiful. It's small but mighty. What's your Instagram? Bryn underscore Woodfield. Perfect.

Wait, why? Just if someone wants to follow you. Oh, my God. Oh, in the DM? In the DMs. Okay, yeah. And she put out. But they have to have a TED talk.

And they have to be taller than 510. Send me your pets. Send me your patent. Don't even DM or if you don't have a patent. Yeah. Send your patent number in. It can't be. Pending, bitches.

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