The Bossticks - Roundtable Conversation - Betsy Parker & John Aprea, On 9 Marriages, Pilates, Love, & A lifelong Acting Career

Episode Date: March 4, 2021

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So because there's such a connection and we all know it. Welcome back to the skinny confidential him and her podcast. I'm Lauren Everett's Bostic, the creator of the skinny confidential. And across from me is my husband, Michael Bostick. Howdy? Today we have an episode that's kind of fun because it's kind of like you're at happy hour with all of our friends. We decided to invite my Pilates teacher who has become a dear friend of mine in L.A., Betsy Grosse, and her significant other, John Appraea, on the show. To give you a little context, Betsy is a top celebrity influence Pilates instructor.

She honestly has all the moves when it comes to Pilates. She trained me throughout my whole entire pregnancy with Zaza. I waddled over to her from our house every single day. She trained me and then I would waddle back home up until the day that I gave birth. I think I worked out with her the day my water was. I'm convinced that's why that delivery was so quick. You're strong as hell. She's absolutely amazing.

Check her out on Instagram at Parker Pilates. And then we also asked her to bring on her stallion of a husband. He is a stallion. John, my man, you are a handsome SOB. Yeah, they're a very good looking couple. Betsy has got it hip. She's going on. She's got the body. She's got the clothes. And then John, her significant other is an American actor and comedian. He's best known for his role in The Godfather, part two. He was also in Sopranos. He's also Uncle Jesse's dad in Full House and in Fuller House,

which is so hot because how fucking hot is Uncle Jesse? I mean, listen, Uncle Jesse is hot. I can't, I can't lie about that. No, I mean, like, there's some guys you come across and you're just like, Well, like, I get it. I mean, Uncle Jesse, when I was little, my eyeballs were popping out of my sockets. Yeah, I can't blame you. And you know what? Even hotter is that Uncle Jesse has a hot dad, John. Lauren, it's all fiction, though.

You know that, right? I mean, the people are real, but, you know, calm down. It's all right. You'll be okay. You'll be okay. So I think that this conversation's really fun because they're telling stories of their life, but they're also peppering in Pilates' tips. And we're talking about acting.

We're talking about the Olson twins. A lot of marriages. I think there's like nine between them, right? Nine marriages between both of them. And what I love and what attracted me to Betsy so much is that when I went to her studio, I walked in, I looked around the studio. It was so beautiful, good energy. And she was so open with her life.

And every single time I work out with her, which is a lot, she just tells it how it is. And she's unapologetically herself. And I appreciate that, especially in the world we're in today. And I think that this episode's so fun because, They are both so open. With that, let's welcome Betsy Grosse and John Appreya to the skinny confidential, him and her podcast. This is the skinny confidential, him and her. John?

You look great hair. Thank you so much. Oh, no. Everybody says that. Oh, I'm sorry. Oh. I got one thing going for me. No, I doubt that.

You have two things going. No, my fear hot. And everybody says it, but we like a modest guy. Yeah. Chris was saying that you got competition. Like, even with Weston. What do you mean? Chris was saying that you are very hot.

Chris, if you're listening. Thank you, Chris. Chris is Betsy and my friend. Okay, so we have Betsy Parker, who is my Pilates teacher. She is the hottest Pilates teacher in L.A. And we have her counterpart, John, who is also so hot in his leather jacket. John is an actor, and they have been together for 20 years. Oh, no, more.

More? How long? 22. 22. 22. I don't even know if I can make it through the first five. Well, you know what? Let's say 20 because we broke up twice.

Okay. Yeah. And we meant breakup during this interview, but probably not. Because it happens all the time. Okay. You know what? A little breakup's good. But we break up every night.

It's just about. It's a struggle. But, hey, listen, it's fun. I want to get some context of both of you guys. And so first I want to go all the way back because I've heard working out with Betsy about your childhoods. but I want to start with your childhood. So maybe Betsy, you start, and then, John, you can tell us about your childhood.

Sure. Get really specific. Yeah, so I'll start. So, yeah, I was born in Waukegon, Illinois. If anyone doesn't know where that is, it's a little, not a little suburb. It's a big suburb of Chicago. It's not like Michigan, and it is a factory town. My parents were born in America.

Their parents were immigrants. We're Armenian by ethnicity, but we're very American. we never like got clannish. I don't know. There's no other way to describe it. There were probably 50 Armenian families back then. So yeah, and I have four siblings. So there were five of us and we are one year apart. And there were three boys and two girls. Mom and dad were busy. Mom and dad were busy. Mom and dad really didn't like each other that much, but they liked having sex, I think. They ended up getting divorced after we were all raised, 24 years later. But I have three brothers. I learned how to be tough. I learned how to be funny. I was a tomboy. I learned sports. But I think I

still loved being girly in fashion for sure. John, give us a little context of your child. I was born in Englewood, New Jersey, to Italian parents. They were born in Italy, Sorrento and Costa Amardi. And I had a normal 50s. I was a football player. I was dated the cheerleaders. You know, it's just that idyllic 50s football player lifestyle. And then I went to college for a short time, and that left that, and moved to New York and tried to be an actor. That was the main thing that you went into right out of school. You just always wanted to be an actor?

No, I wanted to be a pro football player, but look at me. I mean, I don't know if they can see me, but obviously are not a pro football player. I loved it. And went to this little college in Pennsylvania, played football, and left in one year. And then came. Then the acting bug probably was in my mind. But I didn't, it just came on, you know. I want to talk about your relationships before you guys got together.

Because when I first met Betsy, I came to her Pilates studio. I was five months pregnant. Farah recommended me to her. Shout out to Farah. She's been on the podcast too. And I came in and I immediately loved the energy in her studio. And then within five minutes of talking to her, she told me, hi, I'm Betsy and I've had five husbands. And I was like, oh, my God, this is the fucking Pilates studio for me.

This is amazing. Don't get any ideas, Lauren. No, it's so inspiring. So can you guys talk about it a little bit before you guys met each other what those relationships were, what that looked like? Yeah, I'm happy to start. You want me to start? Yeah, yeah, please.

I have a few more than him. But John only had four marriages. I've had five. So I'll start. Four. Five. What are you guys collecting or what? Yeah.

Ten. I used to call the first two, the five-minute marriages. So the five-minute marriage, and those are the ones I used to brush under the rug. And people would ask me after I had, my daughter was from the third husband. So how old was the first marriage? How old were you? I think I was 21. Okay.

So you're young? I was 21. The number one. morning DJ program director saw me in a club asked he was there signing autographs or something. This was in Las Vegas, by the way. He asked if someone could bring me over and introduce. And I was 21. I was like, this is pretty fun. And the next morning he was putting love songs, dedicating them to me to on the morning drive, which was 6 a.m. to 10 a.m., I think, spot. He told me after about two weeks that he was married. So I ditched him, walked away,

and said, don't ever please talk to me again. It was a little more detailed than that, but it went like that. And then what happened, he came back about two months later to the place where I was working and tried to talk to me. And I said, I don't want to waste my time. And he said, please, I just have to tell you something. And he got on his knee, proposed marriage, and said he dumped the wife, and he just has to marry me. So I went, oh, somebody did that?

Okay. basically that's what happened. That's a bold guy. And then how long were you with him? And why did you guys break up into the next one? Because we broke up because I was so young. And in those days, this is like, we're going back to 1974, maybe, something like this. DJs, when they were the program directors, were getting paid by record companies to play their artist's music because it was all about the ratings.

So there was payola. And payola wasn't money then. guess what it was, concert tickets and drugs. And lots, concert tickets and drugs, lots of drugs. And one of them being cocaine, a drug I knew nothing about. And so I was doing it with him. And we were having nothing but fun. And here I was this young, like 21, 22 year old girl,

not thinking anything in the world could ever go wrong. And I was starting to watch him go down and go down. And all of a sudden, about a year and a half into it, I went, I really got to get out of this. This is all wrong. So it took a little bit, but a little help from some of my family members. And I laughed. I broke his heart.

It was the right thing to do at the right time. And then what's number two? And then what happened? What happened? Imagine being at a place where you have so many husbands that you got to, you can't remember the poor sons of bitches. Oh, oh, wait, no, no. Oh, yeah, that one. Yeah.

I remember now. Okay, so when I left, he put me up in a very nice place to live. So I was living in a beautiful high rise. and there was a man that I used to see on the elevator, much older than me. This is my only experience with a much older man. And I'm not talking about you, old man. I'm talking about like daddy much older, like people we've talked about. And I don't judge because I did it once.

What's the age gap we're talking here? Oh, it could have been 27 years. Okay. Yeah, like daddy. I think, yeah, that's about how much older my dad is. This man, we can talk about it. He's since past. I was charmed. I was the little girl being very charmed by the intellectual. He was a writer. He was a

stock market investor. He wrote an advisory service for a brokerage firm on Wall Street. We traveled the world. At a year and a half later, about the same thing, I went, we have nothing in common. And is this the guy that you came back to all your siblings and you told me you were bragging about where you had gone in the world? A hundred percent. You have to tell that story. That's a good story. Yeah. Yeah. And so. I have one brother that I'm very close to. He's one, he's the older one of the five of us. And he was working out here in L.A. as a writer at the time. And a successful writer, he wrote a lot of television comedy shows that we all know. And he invited me and this man to dinner. He, we arrived at

the restaurant. There were six or seven other people of my brother's friends. And I was so excited about this trip that I'd been on. Because I'd never been to any place like this. everything with five-star hotels, limos, go shop, buy a fur, whatever you want. So I guess I'm chatting away about it at dinner, not realizing what an idiot I sounded to my brother sitting there with some of his friends who were struggling actors, some were struggling actors, struggling writers. Didn't know. And it was the best lesson I ever had in my life because my brother pulled me aside. I think later that night and in the most loving way, that someone could tell you you were an asshole.

He basically said, I just want to give you some advice. I know that you are the sweetest person of the world, but you came off tonight just talking a little too much about everything you had to people who don't have. And my brother said, all my life, that's what I don't do. We had two other brothers that weren't as successful as him. But my brother, who was making probably,

I don't know, half a million a year at age 27, said, I drive a Volkswagen Rabbit. so that Harry and Stephen won't ever feel that I have more. So this is just a good, he said a good way to live your life. And I went, oh, my God, you just helped me so much. I thanked him pretty much. I think I follow that. What do you think?

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Enjoy. So after husband number two is number three. Lucky number three. And the lucky number three. The lucky number three also spotted me out amongst friends. I feel like you have a magic pussy. No, but I think I know. John, is that true? Yes. Yes. It might be a magic. But I think it's more about the unwritten sign that I have around my neck that says, yeah, I have a magic pussy. I probably give a good blow job.

So ladies out there, you want to capture five or six husbands. You got to listen closely here. I do have that like kind of the hot exotic look, right? You do. And the big boobs and all of that. You do. You look very hot. It's whatever it is. And then number three. And then number three. Yeah, that is now, now we're getting to the father of my daughter. Very good person, still really good friends with them. His family were one of the original. They were the original founders. His father of Reno, Nevada, when it started to boom. estate and this and that. Father started a store up there called Parker's Western wear way back in the early part of the 1900s. Prior to that, I think all the people, all the ranchers in Nevada would go up to San Francisco, go to the Levi's or mail to Levi's to get their Levi's. So he's smart guy. So he was also an immigrant, a Jewish immigrant, if I recall. And I married Steve Parker. He was wonderful. But Steve Parker, he wasn't a guy that was happy.

in the family life with a kid. He really just wanted to do his own thing. He was an introvert, and we parted a very good friend. And that's how I ended up in Los Angeles. My daughter was three years old at the time. I really enjoyed my time with him, but when it was time to go, we both knew it.

And then where'd you meet Tony number four? Ooh. So so far, all of these husbands were like, great. I learned and got, I have zero regrets about any. And I don't regret Tony because Tony grass he was a guy who I met here in Los Angeles. That was a fix-up. I was a single mom at the time sort of struggling because I hadn't settled my divorce money with number three. Marika said, and he saw it and I hate to say this about people. He was a salesman and he saw what he had to do

to win to get to make this deal close. And he did everything right. But the minute everybody went home from that wedding, the second, everything changed. So, yeah, I love that. That looks so sexy I knew the next day. Take that off. Put an undershirt on. You're not going out of the house like that. This really happened, you guys. And this does happen out there. So the only thing I'm going to say positive about it is I have the most beautiful son in the world. So I do have a wonderful son, Valentino, Grassey, who is just, I mean, he just melts your heart. Nothing more to say he's going to be 30 years old. He loves his dad, but he loves his dad. But he loves. He loves his dad. But he loves. also understands I'm not going to treat my wife the way my dad treated my mom. And then John? Then. I'm going to leave the room. While I was married to Tony, this is a good one.

We would go to the Catholic Church on the corner of Fountain in Fairfax with the kids. And I really, I stayed, oh, by the way, I forgot to mention it. I stayed with Tony for those, I think the whole thing was maybe 10 years from start to final divorce, eight years into it, I think I left, because my son was born and my son needed surgeries. So without going into it, it was a very scary time, and it was nothing I would have been able to do alone. But in my head, I was saying as soon as my son is well and able to, every single day I would say, I'm leaving, I got to get out of here. This is wrong. This is very bad. He's not, he's not good to me. So during church, I would sit there and kind of gazed around the room.

And we would always arrive late. So we were sitting toward the back of the church. And we would always leave a little bit early. So we were never there the full hour. So up there about four pews ahead, I would see this very good-looking man because there was nothing else to do except look around the room in the church and sit there and think about how much I dislike my husband. My husband was a very jealous person, so he never ever saw me do it. I made sure he never saw me looking. And it turned out to be this guy here, John, I prayed. I had no idea who it was, I would say, no, that's my type. That's my type.

God, I'd like to meet that guy someday. Fade out, I think maybe five years went by. And John had disappeared from church. He was no longer there. But there was a little girl with him. And I think there was a wife with him at the time, too. I didn't really care. I was looking at him.

And all of a sudden, one day, he appeared again. And I was looking going, wait, that's that same guy. He's back. But, again, not letting my husband talk. Tony see me looking. Okay, so I thought it was interesting, but I was right at the point where I was getting ready to leave Tony. I had put all these plans together. I was working. I had a little secret savings account. I knew what I was going to do. My son was getting much better. He needed one more surgery. Everything was going well. I was about a month away. And I get a, I get this voice

yelling at me one day in my house. Hey, come in here once. Come in here. I want to show you something. And this is how we talk. And he's watching the Sopranos. And I said, yeah, what? And he said, see that guy right there? And he's pointing to an actor on the show. It was pointing to John. I didn't know John was an actor. I didn't know anything about him. And I went, yeah. He said, you ever seen him before? And I was like, never. He said, yeah, well, that guy goes to our church. And I said, I don't know. Never seen him before. And I was like, never seen him before. I just walked out and I went, oh, well, I know a little more about the guy now. Believe it or not, about a month later, I was out. I was, I took my kids, I moved to where all

these people like me that are in between move, it's called Park Libreya. I get a phone call from a mutual friend of ours who was an actor, an Italian guy named Carmine Carreides. And I was supposed to go meet him at a restaurant called a coffee shop called the Silver Spoon where all the old actors hung out because I wanted to return some of the movies he'd let me. And I was supposed to go. And and he said that he wanted to fix me up with someone. And I said, well, no, Carmine was an old man. I said, no, Carmine, if it's a friend of yours, it's going to be too old. No, let me just tell you something.

And he goes, this is a really good guy? I said, well, is the Italian? And he said, yeah. And I said, no Italians, because this last one was Italian. And I said, Carmine, I don't even want to eat pasta right now, please, no Italian men. And he said, no, you don't understand. He's a gentleman. And I said, yeah, how old is he?

And he said, oh, he's 59, maybe 60. And I said, that's too old. I was 46. Suddenly, he said, he's really good. He has an 11-year-old daughter. And when I heard 11-year-old daughter, which is the accent, I said, wait, did this guy by chance go to St. Embrose Church? And guess what?

He was describing the guys that I've been looking at for years. So he said he'd like, to fix us up. And I said, is he, I don't know, an actor? I don't know. Anyway, turned out, we had a date, two days later. He called him, he gave him, and we were inseparable. We never stopped seeing each other. We never, and we had sex. We had sex every single day. Every single day. Do you remember that? Yes. Of course I remember. Come close, John. John has to come close. Yes, I remember very well. It's hard to forget. Every single day. day you had sex.

Yeah. What's the secret to having sex every day? We were both busy, but we would, we lived, oh, it turned out, we only lived like six blocks away from each other. So, John, who was this karma, who was Carmine to you? Carmine was his fellow actor that I know for many years, a dear man, just another guy you meet in the business. And the Godfather.

He was in the Godfather. We never worked together, but we just knew each other. And we liked each other. And we talked a lot. I didn't see him that much, but he was definitely a good friend. And he's dead, which is really sad. Well, I love his name in RIP. He sounds like a cool one.

He was a good, one of the great stories, to show business stories, Carmen Caridi was hired by Francis Ford Coppola, play Sunny in The Godfather, which is second lead. And I think it was Bob Evans or whoever they wanted Jimmy Khan. And he lost this job, which is, for an Italian actor there's no

there's nothing to compare with it was the job the job was Al Pacino the second job was Carman Crudy and he lost it he had the job he went to wardrobe he was ready to go

for the first godfather yeah and a fellow actor another friend of mine who's now in the actor's home called him and said told him the bad news before Francis called him

and he literally went to the roof and almost did it. I can understand that. He was celebrating in New York at his tenement building where he grew up on the Lower East Side. His whole family was there celebrating. And that's when he got the call. And he didn't even know how to go talk to his family.

He walked to the edge of the rooftop. Yeah, he was ready to go. Why did they decide to switch? Evans wanted Jimmy Kahn and Francis was not Francis yet. When was the producer? He was the head of studio. I mean, listen, it's hard to, argue with facts after the fact because obviously the movie was an absolute hit. No doubt about it.

Even Carmen would say, he said, Jimmy was great and Jimmy knew the story. Carmine was an amazing guy. He was great. He would come to my house for dinner every Friday night while I was married to Tony. Tony would have a bunch of Italians over every Friday night and he would cook. And I'd sit, I'd be sometimes the only woman sitting at a table with all these old Italian actors. Not old young. would observe the way Tony would treat me. And he pulled me to the side one night and said something. Yeah. One time Tony had me in tears because he said my clothes were too tight when they were coming over.

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Another thing is sometimes there's these tests online where they take your blood. I am so scared of getting my blood taken. So to be able to spit and just send it back was so easy. Anyway, I just think this is something that is applicable for everyone. It's so interesting. Everyone that I've talked to and told that I've done this has been interested and wanted the code. We got a code for you, obviously. It's ancestry.com slash skinny. Start exploring your family story today. Head to our URL at ancestry.com slash skinny to get your ancestry DNA kit and start your free trial. That's ancestry.com slash skinny. I mean, I want to get into, and we will, about how he treated you, too, even when everything was going on with Valentino. Like, he was not nice. It sounds like he was. John, can you,

before we get into that, tell us a little bit about your relationships? They're not as clear as clear as. I don't remember all of them. John liked to do a lot of substance when he was young, too. Yeah, I did a lot of stuff. My first wife was a woman named Shuri. And, We knew met an acting class, and that was the first one. She was beautiful, and she was a great girl, and she went to Italy to do a movie, and I think that kind of ended it. My second wife was Nen, was the mother of the woman. You left two out.

I don't know who. Don't forget about two. Who's two? What about the one called the one that you worked with? There was one PR girl. A woman named Sarah. Didn't people in your day just date a little bit instead of popping the question? And we got married.

There was no idea why we got married. And that ended in 15 minutes. And then it was Nenon. And there's another one there. I don't know what it is. Another one there. You, Betsy. No.

No, she's four. Oh, wait. Then Ninnon was three. What did they say? First you marry for love, then you marry for money. Then you marry for companionship. Yeah. Well, we've been married for us.

a long time. Well, we were together for a long time. The marriages have to have that pair. But yeah, I think that's the marriage is. Yeah. Yeah. Why do you guys think that you've been together for 22 years? What's the secret sauce? I'm not sure there's any secret sauce. It's we love each other. We have issues beyond issues. We think we broke up last night. And I, but we have to do this. Every night. We break up every night. But we have to, you know, we couldn't not do this with guys, we have great respect for both of you. This may be over this. We got you here against your will.

You guys... No, but we wanted to fulfill this obligation and... So are you leaving me? I'm happy about doing it because this is a great... This is a great opportunity. So you might leave her after the show? Yeah. Okay.

Did you get you right home? Yeah. I got you. I got you. I won't leave you in the club. Thanks. He would leave me after the show, but I don't think he knows how to do the Uber from here. Well, I know.

He still has a flip phone, so I don't know. I have not an iPhone on me. Okay. So just to go back a little bit because there's a lot of mothers or people that are pregnant listening to this show, you had a very crazy experience with your son. And one thing that you told me when I started working out with you was that you said that your first pregnancy was super easy. It was just like very easy. And then you said your second pregnancy, you went on bed rest. you said you gained like triple the amount of weight.

You were on steroids. There was end up all these complications. Can you talk about that and also how your husband dealt with all that when that was going on? Oh, oh yeah, for sure. I was pregnant when we when I finally married him. I had misgivings about the marriage again. But I didn't want to have an abortion. I knew there was going to be something special about this child that I was carrying.

And I just said, let's just go with it. And so it started out. Pregancy was normal. My husband was being very mean to me for all these different reasons just because he wanted to control. So his idea was if I'm mean to her, she'll do her. She won't ever, she'll be in my control. So we find out in my, I think, 23rd week, yeah, that my placenta, was detaching, my baby wasn't growing, and translated, I had to go into a hospital, go on bed rest

and for a little while and then from their home. And later on, maybe a few weeks into it, we learned his lungs weren't developing. So the treatment for that would be the only way to try to get his lungs to develop would be for me to be getting steroid injections in my butt twice a week in my bed rest. So yes, I was like lying in bed, unable to get up, bedpan, all of that other stuff, steroids. And in the middle of it all, I would go back and forth to the hospital if they thought something was happening. And at one point, while I was in the hospital, this same father of my son, same husband, took it upon himself. We were staying in my apartment, which was a small apartment, because we were building a house up on Marmont above

the Chateau, Mormont. And during that time, he had moved all his stuff to my, I had a trunk that was locked. He broke it open and went through and looked at my diaries and read every single thing. And with that information that he learned in the diaries, barged in to the hospital room where all of this trauma was going on. and begin to berate me, shout at me, tell me that he would have never married a person like me, which, by the way, what did he learn about my first two marriages, that were five-minute marriages that I chose to just bury under a rug. All before, you know, he saw my daughter, he knew about her.

But, I mean, in retrospect, maybe I should have shared that with him, but what I didn't I don't ever understand what relevance that is to anybody else in the world, except my private life, what it did to me. and it did nothing, by the way. It was bad. It was, I would have never married you, what came to put. And it was to the point where I was sobbing and asking him to stop, and it just wouldn't stop. So that's just a little example of, yeah, he was, he was not a good guy.

So cut to, we, I do, I make it through this pregnancy, and I have a son, and there were things, he needed some surgeries without going into a lot, because trust me, when I tell you right now, he's, he's perfect. He had acute hearing disorder, and when my son would have hear a sound in his head that would really bother him, the father would yell at him and say, grow up, be a man. This is not, don't baby him like this. And so all that kind of thing. Not to say he doesn't love that son. He loves that son. I will never take that away from him, but he loves him in the most narcissistic way possible. And I don't know if Valentina is going to hear this podcast, but, he and I have talked about this before. I'm not outing Tony. We've talked about it all. But he does love his son and my son loves his father. Very important. It's just the way it is. And you also said

something so interesting. You said the way that you healed from Valentino and everything he had gone through was you helped other people. Oh, 100%. I thought that was so cool. Can you give that advice to someone that's maybe struggling with something similar? Well, I think the something similar is I would look at my son and find nothing but beauty in him. And I got sick and tired of, the doctors were scaring me. Every time I'd walk into that intensive care nursery, they'd say, he's showing signs of this. So at one point, I just flipped it. And I said, I'm going to find everything beautiful about my son right now. And I'm only going to look at that. He was four weeks old, five weeks old. And I was standing over him, and I stuck my tongue out at him just for fun. And that teeny little infant,

in that little intensive care cradle looked at me and stuck his tongue back. And I went, oh, okay, my son's a genius. So I have a genius. My son is a genius, despite of anything else that happened. And honestly, there's that. And then I said, okay, I'm a wreck. We got him home. He had to wear a fetal heart monitor for a year. We got through all that. But I decided I was going to get myself strong again because I was so weak. All my muscles were weak. And I was fat. When I say fat, People don't believe how much weight I could have possibly gained by laying around. Mostly, I think it was the steroids that blow you up. But I really had about, I had about 50 pounds to lose.

Sound familiar? It's all so familiar. It's not that much fun. So I actually had to sneak behind the father's back to go to a gym and get a trainer. Why? He was jealous. He didn't want me out of his sight. He didn't want,

I was going to a support group which helped me through when my son was in the intensive car nursery without them, by the way, shout out to good beginnings at Cedar Sinai Hospital because that changed everything for me. He refused to let me continue to go when my son came home to give back. And that's what you said you were giving back to help heal. You were you were helping other mothers. Other mothers. Babies that were in the NICU. It was so important to me to go back. I mean, he refused to the point where he once shoved me on the ground because I said I'm going anyway. But I got up and went anyway. Huh?

Guess what? So I did that. I stayed with that group for as long as I could. I saw and then the whole thing about the feeling like if you don't feel like your body is strong, your mind isn't strong. So because there's such a connection and we all know it. So little by little I was seeing a trainer. The trainer was hurting me. I found another trainer and he took me.

and he took me into a room to do, he took me to the new gym, and down below was a Pilates studio, the only one in L.A. at the time, because we're going back to 1991. I've been back 20, what is that, 30 years ago. And that's when you got involved in Pilates. Yeah. I walked by, I saw that reformer. I had been on a reformer once back in the 70s when I was dancing at somebody,

one of my teachers had one to help me. I think she was just about rehabbing me from an injury. And I said, does that Pilates? So he said, guess what? The owner of this gym is like a training reader, teach this. And I can do it. And I said, yeah, let's try it. And that's how it all started.

Pilates did every. I knew it was the answer, the first. So Betsy finds Pilates simultaneously you find acting. Can you talk to us about your first acting job and how that changed into playing Uncle Jesse's dad on full house and doing the godfather too and all these things that you do? Quick break because I need to discuss birth control. I've recently had so many DMs from women all over the world asking for more resources and information and discussion around birth control. So I learned recently that there are more than 21 million women who are not using hormonal birth control. And I'm one of them.

But now the FDA recently approved a birth control option that's completely hormone-free. You guys may have seen me talk about this on Instagram already. So it's called fexy. and it's this combination of lactic acid 1.8%, citric acid 1%, potassium bideotrate, 0.4%. It's this vaginal birth control gel that comes in a small applicator like a tampon and it works immediately and can be used up to an hour before sex. So basically you apply the gel before you have sex and only use it when you need it. But you have to apply it again before each act of vaginal sex. So when you try it, remember one dose, one dose, one.

hour, one act. And I have to tell you guys how it works because it's insane, really. Like, I kind of geeked out when I learned this. And you know me, I had to overshare. We're going to go there. Normally, without Fexe, when a guy comes and semen enters the vagina, it causes the pH of your vagina to increase, which allows sperm to keep swimming and make their way up there to fertilize your egg. Are you listening, Michael and Taylor? So Fexe works by maintaining the vaginal pH to a level that reduces the mobility of the sperm, reducing the chance of the sperm reaching the egg. How awesome is that? While Fexi could be a great option for many women like me who are seeking hormone-free birth control, it isn't right for everyone. So be sure to tell your health care provider

if you have a recent history of three or more urinary tract infections per year. And obviously, as with any new birth control, be sure to check for any ingredients in Fexi you or your partner may be allergic to. The most common side effects reported by clinical trial participants, are vaginal burning, itching, and yeast infection. Some male partners also reported local discomfort. And remember, Fexi only works when used before sex and it doesn't protect against STIs, including HIV. To learn more about Fexi, ask your healthcare provider

and visit Fexi.com for complete product information. That is P-H-E-XX-I.com. And Michael, don't pop a boner. I want to pay tribute to her and her strength in what she just described. witnessed it and it was remarkable. She's remarkable. You're back together. Oh, yeah. That's this. We're doing this for 22 years. Oh, so we're not breaking up tonight? No. Okay. Well, we'll see. I started studying. I know what happened was I was looking in the daily news.

There was an ad for this acting thing, you know. It was a hype, but I didn't realize that. And I went there and I met the guy and he said, you do this and this and obviously you pay money. And then you be in the movies and you, and I said, and I had no idea. So I said to my, I was talking to my sister about it and she said, wait a second, you should call our friend Saul, who was a writer, who was a writer of the honeymooners, was a famous show in the 50s with Jackie Gleason and this and he called, he introduced me, he called to Joshua Shelley, who was an acting teacher in New York, And it was a totally different experience. It was you study, you learn the craft, then you audition and see what happens.

And that's how it began. And then I studied for years and worked. And then I got this job in Arthur, which is the most famous disco of its era. And I got caught up in that world. It was making a lot of money. It was a bartender in the hottest club in New York City. And I kind of walked away. I didn't really walk away, but it wasn't auditioning.

I wasn't doing anything. Then I came back to California and I got a picture with Steve McQueen, Bullet. And that started. I didn't know you were in Bullitt. That's rad. Yeah. There was a small part. And just it was a working actor for 50 years.

60? 60 years. What do you think makes a good actor? That's extraordinary curse. I think honesty. I think just relate to the character and be honest and be real and don't act. I think the major thing is learn the craft, research the thing, and then don't act. Because you see people who are acting, you can see it and don't act.

Who would be your number one or top two actors of all time actors, actresses? Brando is number one, two, and three. Do we have a Brando-S-type actor right now living, do you think? He's walked away from acting for a while. He was in the Mystic River. Sean Penn? Sean Penn. I agree with you.

He's an amazing actor. He's an amazing actor. I think he's the best actor in the world. When he works, but he's nuts. But you kind of almost have to be nuts. Like there almost has to be a different side to you, I think. Yeah, I think so. As an actor.

It almost makes the craft better. Absolutely. I mean, Brando was for sure nuts. Yeah. But in a great way. Yeah. Yeah. Can you tell us something that you maybe learned from De Niro or Al Pacino

or someone that you really looked up to. Is there something that they did? And it could be a business thing. It doesn't need to be just with acting. Not that much, I mean, obviously I worked with Bobby. We got along, but it was weird because we were both, they were similar. We looked similar on the screen, so he's not going to be as nice to me as he did

with Bruno Kirby, who plays the third guy in those scenes. But he was a big fat guy. I don't know what I learned for many of them, except that you learn something from every scene in every movie. So you're learning something. I mean, some of the stuff, I remember when I got the job in a Sopranos and Jimmy Gandalfini, I knew. And so I got there and I play, all of a sudden I'm playing a lawyer, a district attorney. And so I walk in this. room with all those guys. And they were all Italian, obviously. And they wouldn't talk to me.

And I knew every one of them. And I didn't understand why they did that. Then they started laughing. They wouldn't talk to me for most of the day because I was playing their adversary. And I mean, just the camaraderie that I didn't get for about five hours taught me that I needed the community completely. You have to do it. It's a very communal art. a loss with a James Gandalfini. I mean, what an actor. Great actor and a great guy. Do you know my celebrity crush? That's Lauren's celebrity crush. Is, yeah. Jimmy. I find him to be so charismatic. He was. And attractive. And I feel like no offense, Michael, if you never existed, like I would have gone on a date with him. Listen, I couldn't, I couldn't blame you. He, there's something about him.

And he wasn't good looking. He was just charismatic. You didn't even, you don't even look at what he looks like. No, no. Very nice guy. An amazing actor. An amazing actor. And a great guy. I loved him. We're good friends.

Can I ask you the million dollar question? I've never asked Betsy this. What was it like working with Mary Kate and Ashley Olson? Because that's very relevant to the people that are listening. They were adorable. They were fine. I liked them. First of all, you don't know which was the watch, which, because they, you know, I don't know who it was.

It was Because remind me They played one character Right They played one character And they always do that With my first series Was a thing called

The Montefuscos I was supposed to be a movie star And I ended up on The Montefusco's playing a priest And we had a little kid in the show And there was two of them There's always two of them Because one day

One's not going to do it You got another one So the twins are the deal What about my other celebrity crush, Uncle Jesse. Oh, he's great. I can still why you'd have a crush him, Jimmy, Johnny. But he was great.

We had a great time. It was father and son relationship. I mean, obviously not that. When you guys met, it was instant connection. You guys were having sex every single day, according to you guys, which is amazing. What is, there's a lot of people out there that are listening that the phone has taken over a lot of romance. Oh. Well, we were, we started out before this phone thing was huge. Right. There were cell phones, but

nothing, not, I mean, I wish we had a camera in those days on the phone. And I feel like you hear all the time in Pilates how people are not having as much sex as you guys were having, which is so crazy. Like, things have changed from millennials. It's a different world now. What advice would you offer millennials that are looking to connect more with their partner? It doesn't have to be just sex, just connection. The sexual connection. The sexual connection. obviously everything is enhanced in the relationship, I think. If you have that's going, everything else is better. So sex certainly is one of the aspects, but it can't be all on the only aspect or even the most important one. I don't know what to tell anybody,

considering we've married nine marriages between two of us. So maybe we don't, we're not the person for the expertise. I don't know. I actually thank you. are the person for the expertise because you guys have had nine marriages. And I feel like you know what works and what doesn't. What do you think, babe? Yeah. Right. Well, there.

You see compliments every day. Complements every day. I told, I tell Michael one compliment every day. Oh, sure. The bitchiness away. And if you don't get the comments, just nicely remind them. Oh, but I like have to remind him. He has an honest calendar.

Tell them what you have on your calendar. I put it. I put reminders. But listen, I mean, Lauren has a tendency to take a compliment and say, okay, what's the next one? 100. I want 100 compliments every day. So it's not just one.

No, it's never just one. Lauren's the type of person if she gets a paper cut, she'll tell you her whole arm's gone. So like it's a whatever she says one, amplify that by 10 or 20. I get it. Every single woman. How long have you been together, you guys? We've known each other since we were 12. 12.

Yeah. He was my first blowjob when I was 14. My dad caught us in the closet naked, half naked when we were 15. And that was interesting. We broke up, one our separate ways completely and got back together later. So now we've been together, I don't even know, 10 years. 10, 12 years? Well, how do we?

10, 12 years. Wow. I can see how you can forget. I can see. Time goes, quick. I haven't had enough marriages. Yeah. I need to have more marriage.

I don't think you don't need me more because I think you guys did it right the first time. Well, I don't know. We'll see. You never know. Jury's still out. Got to keep him on his toes, Betsy. And then the jurors is. But, yeah, absolutely.

Forever. Remember, he and I broke up for a year twice during these years. And what was that like? Well, for me, it was just because John was being stubborn about not wanting to move in with me. And I thought, if he doesn't move in with me, it's not a real relationship. So I would threaten to leave him and he would say, okay, I guess you're going to have to. So I would do it. So I would always find another boyfriend and I'd be out having fun.

Was I in love? No. Was I having fun? Yeah. and then I would get a phone call. Yeah. Six months into it. Sometimes it would be a drunken phone call, but sometimes not.

I'm not. I'm not an noun to have a drink. What are you doing? I need to get back with you. I love you. You can't do this. We have to get back, all these things. And then, yeah, I got stronger the second time around, but here we are.

It happened. A lot of the questions that came in were about Pilates. obviously you are one of the hottest Pilates trainers in L.A. You have so many different people coming to you. And I would want you to give some advice to people wanting to find a Pilates trainer that's really great like you. What's the tips? Let's say someone lives in Minnesota.

You definitely want a trainer that's going to understand that every, it's not a cookie cutter experience because I know that it happens sometimes. teachers come out of school right away and they say, okay, this is the flow, this is what we learn, this is what we do, but they're not looking at the individual and saying, what are their needs. So the best part about Pilates is you could start it at any level. You could be very weak and still do Pilates. So you have to find a teacher that's empathetic, understand. Ideally, find a teacher that's been doing it more than maybe a year or two or something

or somebody who has had the experience you have had where they were starting out at a beginner level. So this is advice for beginning level. For advanced people, oh, for sure, you have to find a personality match. You have to find a teacher that will not just speak to you in brain surgery terms, but that they can get in on your level. And you do have to have fun with it. So if it's not fun, you're not going to love it. Those are some of the tips.

For me, it's pretty simple, just my longevity, and for the amount of years I've been doing it and my health and my physicality. Without bragging, I'm in excellent shape. And I've never felt that it was a chore or a hard strain or anything that I didn't want to do. So find a teacher that believes in it this way, that they have joy in what they do and that they want to be there and they really are devoted to you. But most certainly, don't let a teacher just give you the same exercises that they give every single other person because it should never be that way.

You really are an excellent shape, though. You look, I mean, sometimes you walk into Pilates and I literally think I'm looking at a 21-year-old. Like, she looks like a 21-year-old. Yeah, it's amazing. Yeah, you're in the best shape I've ever seen. Yeah, it's amazing. Anyone, like your age ever. Yeah.

Yeah. And I, and I, what's the secret? Like, what are you eating? What are you doing? How many times a day are you working out? Are you doing, are you using your body weight? Give us a couple tips and tricks. Okay.

Yeah. So I, I, I would say I do it six hours that we. If I had to count hours, so maybe one hour or six days a week. If it's not a full hour, it's 20 minutes with a client and maybe another little client will come in and say, and I have a few clients that are that love it when I do the whole hour with them. So I do Pilates. I take walks with the dog. I don't run anymore because I've got a little water on one knee.

I eat health. I will say I like to cook. I don't like to use like fried foods. pizza has never been my thing. I'll treat myself to pasta because I like it, but not that often once a week. I do a lot of cooking at home. I eat a lot of vegetables. I eat a lot of protein. And lucky for me, I enjoy it. Do I drink? That's going to be a big question. Yes, I do, but I drink like maybe once a week. Okay, but tell us what you drink because the margarita that you make you whenever I come to your house is the best. Give us the exact recipe. Yeah, so Lauren loved it because

I will take a little shaker. I put a shot or two of tequila in. I add fresh lime juice. So I sometimes buy the Santa Cruz lime juice that's already made or I just will squeeze lots of lime juice. I then add some club soda. Oh, and two slices of jalapeno pepper, either chopped or just sliced. And then I shake it up with the ice.

And then I pour it into a glass that has a little bit of tahina around the rim. And I think that's all I do. I think that's it. And yeah, it's delicious. But really, when you look at that, there's the only sugar in there is the tequila itself. It's my favorite margarita. It's so, so good. Yeah.

Yeah. So drink about six of those a night and you'll be good. You're always making recipes. Can you share something that John likes that you make from all the time that's really healthy? I always see it on your Instagram stories. John, what's your favorite? She makes a brilliant roasted chicken. I knew you were going to say.

Stay the roasted chicken. That's always on your story. Yeah. So it's one of the great dishes. And I'm going to try to tell you how to do it real quickly. And if you forget, go online and look up Thomas Keller's roasted chicken because it's the simplest thing you could do. And by the way, if you're out there shout out to my friend Amy, who told me about this a long time ago, Amy Neron, who is now married and she's Amy Sillick and have two kids.

Whoa. You put the, you just take a chicken, it's usually four and a half pound and make sure it's air chilled because a lot of times we don't know what. It'll say organic. It'll say natural. And all that, yes. But if it says air chilled, that means it wasn't thrown in a bat with a bunch of other chickens after it was killed. A lot of times in the big factory places, they will, after they kill the chickens while they're waiting to process it,

they get thrown into ice water bats to preserve. I know. And there are other chickens in there. I mean, the theory is it's ice water. So they're very cold and they're not. But air chilled, they're put on a conveyor belt. one by one, and they're sent through these chambers on the belts where ice cold air is blowing down on them. They never touch another chicken. And that's a really huge thing for, and so far.

Air chilled chicken. Yeah. And more and more, I'm seeing air chilled chicken in any stores. I've even, yeah, usually you used to have to do them in the better stores, get them. So usually they're about four, four and a half pound chickens, anywhere between three and a half, four and a half pounds. You preheat your oven to $4.50. You take your chicken off, rinse it, and then pat it dry, and get it so dry that it almost feels like your fingers bouncing off of it. Dry the inside cavity. I like to put like a... It sounds like you're telling us how you give a blowdrop, but like with a chicken.

Pat it real dry. Well, wait, with the salt? Because I haven't gotten to the salt. Yeah, and the garlic and the lemon. Yeah, there we go. So what? I put two. I cut a lemon and half.

Stick it in the cavity. with some fresh rosemary. Now, that's optional. And then you start with the salt. And it has to be a good coarse ground kosher salt. Pat it all over the, oh, yeah, the breast of it. And get that for, and then flip it over and then pat it all over the legs and the wings, the little things that stick up, all over that. And that's it. I take some string and twine and I tie the legs together so they won't open up and dry out. And I take toothpicks into the wings. You can do it anyway. And, And leave that in the oven for, I would say, 50 minutes. That's it. Besides cooking, John, what advice would you give to me and Michael as a young couple?

That's tough. You guys seem to be doing fine. It depends the day. Looks can be deceiving, John. Moment to moment. It's one of the things you learn in studying the method thing is that it should be moment and moment. and you don't relive the line before or after. It's that line. The thing I learned from that is it's a life lesson. It's moment to moment.

It really is. That's the advice, moment to moment. Instead of looking back at all the things that could have changed. Or looking too far forward? Yeah. Yeah. You just moment to moment.

I feel like I look backwards sometimes and you look forward sometimes. We have a reverse problem where she looks really far in the past and I look too far in the future and it's hard to get into the moment. I mean, that's a trick, right? It's living moment to moment. It's easier said than done. It's no kidding. It really is.

Betsy, what's your advice? No, I think I should start doing that because I live in the past and the future. I just, I'm all over the place. I think tolerance and love, if I get angry with him, I can stop myself and say, but you love him. And you have to learn to love your partner, not in spite of what they do. You have to kind of almost learn to love them for what they do. They're quirky things and their things that fits. you off because always remember they're not trying to do anything to you. That's just who they are.

And it's really in life, again, I'm going to say it like John just said it. In life, it's just a good way to live. Because when people are doing things to piss you off, if you just stop, almost every single one of them are doing it because of something going on in their head, not because they're trying to piss you off. But when you're in love with someone, it's really important to stop and remember. he had a thing and it really annoys me. Yeah, it does, but it has nothing to do with you. But he has a big, big, big, big personality. A big, big personality.

And, you know, so, yes, we don't live in the past, we live in the past, but I live with those memories of that sex all those years. I said, I am living in the past with those memories of all that sex all those years. Oh, yeah. That was great. It's still my fantasy. We would call each other like, what time can you be? What kind of be here?

Yeah. That is like very, very, very inspirational. And when we didn't have the kids, we would plan these all-nighters. And I don't want to go into what would happen then. Oh, wow. We'll leave it. We can all imagine. And John said, oh, wow.

And it would always end where I'd be waking up in the morning and walk in the kitchen and see John holding a wine bottle with about one more sip left and he's holding it up in the earth chugging it. You guys are a fun time. I mean, honestly. Well, yeah. It would be great if we had no. No responsible. But we didn't talk about when John was 67 years old, he was on a show in San Diego, and he came back after working, I don't know, was it eight weeks or something? He was trying to drive back and see me, but he had to. Oh, yeah, it was going back. They were trying to do like, whatever, 13 episodes in three weeks of this night. I don't know what that show was. I think it was called the heiress or something. It was on the CW. And guess what happened? He was back for a week and he had a stroke. John had a stroke.

She saved my life. I mean, she was very supportive. I mean, it was a major stroke. It should have killed me. I was hoping it did, but that's, you know, dark humans. No, we're glad that you're here today. Thank you, darling. Or not. Yeah, he was told he wasn't going to walk or talk again. And look at him. He went right back to acting. He's so attractive. Like, he walks into Pilates and all the girls spoon. Oh, please. You still got it. It's true. In his leather jacket, he's so cute. I posted you on my Instagram story. If you could leave our audience, each of you, with a book, a movie, a podcast, a show that you think will enhance their life, what would it be? It could be literally anything. John will start with you. The Stranger by Kamo is a book. I guess there's so many movies.

But on the waterfront, if you never saw it, you should see it. I got a new book and a new movie. I'm going to check out. Okay, Betsy, you have to tell us. Well, okay, because I am a child of the 50s, and I was around during all of the great movements and the, just the Martin Luther King movement, everything. I watched the African-American change happening right to me because I was in inner city schools in Chicago.

Anyway, I had a favorite writer, well, by a couple of them, but there's a book called Native Son by Richard Wright, if you haven't seen it, and it is a movie. So I'm going to say if you haven't read it and you haven't seen it, it's life-changing. And so I would say that. Read it. You'll be inspired. And just really quickly leave us with a resource for Pilates. Is there a book we should read or anything?

I always tell people to get a book by a woman called Brooke Seiler, S-I-L-E-R-S. It was written in the 90s, even maybe early 90s, maybe late 80s. I think she still teaches Pilates in New York. And she will, it's a mat workout book. It's called the Pilates Body Simply. That's it. And it's still available. It's everything you need to know about getting started in Pilates.

And her visual images are amazing. She does drawings and she takes you through all of the mat work, which all of that then later in the studio you take to the reformer. But it will strengthen. It just gets your body prepared. But it makes it so you, there are. is no confusion and she does it in beginning intermediate and advanced levels. The Bible. You're both amazing. If someone wants to find you guys, where can they find you? Pimp your

Instagram out, website, whatever. Oh yeah. So my Instagram is at Parker Pilates. So if you want to find me. And also you have a lot of workouts on there. Well, the workout, yeah. It's not launched yet. be ready for in about, I'm saying three, four more weeks, there will be a website where you could buy a subscription and work out with me every single day. And I don't want to say too much about it. I don't want to give too much way, but it's going to be amazing. And John doesn't have social media, which is hot. No, I'm not a social media guy. I'm 100 years old. I'm following your footsteps. That's what I want to be. I don't want to be a social media guy either anymore. I'm done. Yeah, I don't blame you. I'm out. John is a flip phone guy.

Well, I also have an iPhone, but I didn't have, I forgot to bring my flip phone and I'm realizing nobody can call me now, which is fine, but I didn't bring it for some reason. But that's the phone I use. What I use for Lyft, because I don't drive anymore, I use my iPhone. And I called her on that. Nothing wrong with that. You guys are an amazing couple. You can come back anytime.

So are you. Thank you. This was fun. Yeah, it was fun. Are we breaking up? I will figure it out. Yeah. It'll change in an hour anyways.

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