The Bossticks - Scheana Shay & Brock Davies On What Reality TV Does To Your Personal Life, Vanderpump Rules, & On Vs. Offscreen Lives

Episode Date: April 18, 2022

#453: On today's episode we are joined by Vanderpump Rules cast members, Scheana Shay & Brock Davies. Sheana & Brock join the show to discuss life on and off screen, where they stand with their cast, IVF, egg freezing, miscariages, and what it's like putting your life on television for the world to judge.  To connect with Lauryn Evarts click HERE To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM To Call the Him & Her Hotline call: 1-833-SKINNYS (754-6697) This episode is brought to you by Sakara This year, turn your resolutions into reality. Whether you're looking to try plant-based eating, build an empowered body, boost skin's glow, or simply feel your very best, Sakara makes it easy to create rituals that last. Sakara is a wellness company rooted in the transformative power of plant-based food. Their menu of creative, chef-crafted breakfasts, lunches, and dinners changes weekly, so you'll never get bored. And it's delivered fresh, anywhere in the U.S. And right now, Sakara is offering our listeners 20% off their first order when they go to www.sakara.com/skinny and enter code SKINNY at checkout. To Get 2 Months Free of Obé Fitness click HERE or use code SKINNY2 at www.obefitness.com when signing up. Produced by Dear Media 

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Welcome to the skinny confidential, him and her. Aha. Whoever I'm dating, as we've seen on the past in the show, like I will defend them to the death. Whereas Brock is like, you don't have to like have my back. I can stand up for myself. So I took that, I think maybe too literal. And I'm like, all right, well, if I don't need to fight your battles, then I'm going to work on this friendship because she was the only person on the entire show who also had

had a baby just in general but so recently i think i feel like to defend me don't need like i get the defense part but like in time it's going to come i'm new to the stage everyone's going to talk about it and have that you can only judge somebody once she's slowly if i keep doing the same stuff then cool go for you know so i know i know i know that to the course i feel like i would what I say to Sheena, like, she's done an amazing job being a month. Taylor, cue the Vanderpump Rules theme song. Raise your glass. And let me guess, you forgot to add it.

It's going to be real embarrassing if it doesn't happen. And we're just sitting here in our silent voices. Yeah, 100% forgot to add it. Welcome back, everybody. That clip was some of our guests of the show today. Sheena Shea and Brock Davies. On this episode, we're talking all things, Vanderpump Rules.

We're getting into it. We're getting the juice. I am a huge Vanderpump Rules fan. I always have been. Michael acts like he's not, but he actually is. I've never acted like I was not. Oh, okay. I've always been into it.

Okay, you're going to say it? Go back through the archives. You'll see. I never acted like I wasn't. We've been watching since the beginning. So it was really cool to interview Sheena and Brock. She's very multifaceted. She's a mother.

She opens up about her journey with IVF in this episode, miscarriages. She talks about her entrepreneurial endeavors. And so does Brock. He also has an app called Homebodies, which I'm sure you've seen on the show. And I personally really wanted to interview both of them, Because I feel like sometimes with reality TV, you get a certain edit, but that's not how you are in real life, what I've found. And so to hear their perspective without any producers or being edited was really cool. I also think it's really cool to announce that Sheena, shenanigans, her podcast is now with Dear Media.

Yeah, she's doing a tour. Super excited to have the show over here with her. Super excited to be working with her. And, you know, Brock and I, we always, you know, it was love at first sight with us. I met him when Dave Meltzer was lost on the show. And we were like, hey, you know, that's a cool guy. So we, you know. He could lift you up with his spinky.

Well, we can, you know, he gives some things. I gives other things. That sounds a little weird, little homoerotic, but whatever. Sheena Marie is an American television personality, an actress, a mom, a podcast host, and a singer. She is currently one of the stars on Bravo's reality television series of Vanderpump Rules. Brock is a personal trainer. He owns the app homebodies. and he is also a dad.

He frequents on her podcast shenanigans. We go all over the place in this episode. I think you're really, really going to like it. There's a lot of depth to it too. On that note, let's introduce Sheena and Brock to the Skinny Confidential, him and her podcast. This is the skinny confidential, him and her. Tell Sheena is that she can ice roll her tits after she breastfeeds.

Oh, my God. I need this for when my right one gets clogged. Yes. I'm literally there, so I get behind her. He milks me. And I have to massage her milk darts because otherwise she gets mastitis. I grew up on a dairy farm so I knew this. No, you didn't.

I did. Wait, so you're like milking or like a cow. I'm massaging her. And he's like massaging because my right one. So my left produces so much milk. My right, we just call that like the snack boob or dessert. It's just like a little bit. So now that she doesn't latch anymore, I'm just pumping and I don't get that much out of it.

So it'll get clogged. and it's just a different like attachment. The way she sucks and the way the pump sucks. How are you doing all this with filming a television show, doing a podcast, running like a merch line, like all these different things? So, it's a lot to breastfeed too.

Yeah, I mean, I felt like honestly, when I think back to last year, I feel like I was just in a fog. I mean, I had only been home from the hospital for literally three days before I had cameras in my face. Three days I've been home. I'm trying to just figure, this out. I got hospitalized for five extra days in the high-risk ICU because they got diagnosed with

help syndrome postpartum. I literally could have died in labor. My blood pressure was so high. I didn't even know that it was as bad and scary as it was. They were trying to keep me calm. My heart rate was really low. Then her heart rate was dripping. They're pumping me with magnesium. She comes out as they call her a mag baby. She's not crying. It was just very traumatizing. Then I'm put straight into a high-risk ICU room where I have. Can I just jump in there real quick? Because you're saying this in front of a woman that's pregnant right now. No, no, no, that's okay.

That's okay. I was like, the hospital was so good. The hospital did a really good job where we were going through these, well, we're dealing with this. We didn't know any of this was going on. The hospital handled it so well. They were working around the room. It wasn't until after a baby came and we were in the next day.

They were like, hey, just so you know, this is what actually happened. So I don't want you to be like, it was horrific to go through, but just know that the hospital did such an amazing job getting us through that. I actually asked her because I told her as a viewer, I feel like Vanderpump rules washed over the fact that she almost died. It was like kind of like, yeah, that's what we're talking about. No, I asked her. I asked her. I didn't just say, hey, guess what?

She's not bad. As a mother, and I think there's a lot of mothers that probably watch the show, it was like, are we not going to talk about the fact that you literally, almost died. And also the fact that your baby came out not crying. I mean, I cannot imagine that. That's so much cortisol. No, it was literally traumatized. Yeah, I can imagine. Yeah. So then it's like, I'm in the hospital and the high-risk ICU. We have round the clock nurses like every, what was it, like every 30 minutes, every hour like they, I mean, they're checking on me constantly. And then they're bringing her from the nursery into breastfeed every two, three hours on the dot.

I'm not really sleeping. I'm just like, there was so much going on. I didn't get out. out of bed for three days. I had a catheter. It was just like so much. And then finally, my liver enzymes and my blood platelets were leveling to the right way that they were able to release me like five, five, six days later. And I get home and what? Nothing. Oh. I get home. And now, I mean, thankfully we had my mom stay with us for that first week to just help out. But I'm like, now I'm going from around the clock nurses to just here's a baby, you're at home, you're on this blood pressure medication, you're not yourself. I am dealing with body image issues like crazy, knowing that there's about to be cameras in my

face. And it's like, it was a lot. And you don't see any of that. It was like it didn't let me tell you guys. You hear it at the end of the season. You hear it at the end. In the reunion. Yeah. When you guys think about the way that you're portrayed on the show, are you happy with the betrayal? Are you so par? Like, how do you feel about it? It's frustrating. to be honest. But I understand when you're part of an ensemble cast, you can't tell everyone's individual full story. There's too many people. There's too much

going on. There's too much story to tell. I understand that and that is what I signed up for. That's why I love having podcast, having YouTube to be able to tell the full story. I tell everyone in your particular position, meaning people that do television where there's production, that is one of the most powerful

reasons to have something like this. Because you control your narrative. Absolutely. They can say, or they can portray something and you can address it right away as opposed to waiting for a tabloid to fill in for you. Yeah, or six months for it to air and then seeing, you know, the way that it's shown when it's not really the full story. So yeah, when we're watching back the first episode and I see we're just talking about my birthday party. I'm like, because who thought that that was the most important thing to talk about in the first five minutes when there was a whole conversation about how

I almost just died and it was traumatizing. I mean, It honestly has made me pretty sure that I don't think I ever want to get pregnant again because I'm at high risk for that to happen. So now, you know, we're not ready anytime soon anyways. But, you know, we talk adoption. We talk surrogacy. Like, those are way more likely than let's try to have another baby the natural way. I just, it was really scary.

Is there any warning signs that led up to this that you saw or was it just one day you didn't feel good? So I had the best pregnancy. We're 15 hours into labor and I'm like, I see why people do this multiple times. It's not that bad, you know? Like, this is why women carry the babies because we can handle it. So I was completely fine. I didn't throw up a single day in my entire pregnancy. It was great. And then once they realized my blood pressure was high, my heart rate was dropping and all of that, then that's when it got scary. And it turned into preeclampsia when I was at. in labor. And then postpartum, it turned into help syndrome, which is an extremely rare condition in itself and even more rare to get diagnosed with that postpartum. So then my doctor's

thinking, like, what did we miss? And the week of, at my 40-week appointment, there was protein in my urine and my blood pressure was really high. But we just chalked that up to the protein smoothie I had for breakfast. And the fact that I'm 40 weeks filming a television show in 10 days, the baby still hasn't come. I'm free. freaking out. You were filming out. No, we were getting ready. 10 days later.

You were, I didn't realize that. 10 days afterwards. Yeah, we know what day filming starts. We know what day I'm due. There's 10 days in between for me to have this baby. Hold on. Could you not tell the production like this is a lot. I need a little, I need some space.

No, we had just been off for almost two years. And I think sheena was very, she was very like intimidated on like superiority. Like when it's a police officer, an era with authority over her, she freaks out. I'm a rule follower. I do my job. She won't say, hey, listen, for my own health, I need this.

She would troop it on and she said, now, let's do this. Speaking of filming, I got to talk to you for a second, Brock here, because I met you with David Meltzer when he came in. And it was right before, I think, either before you were filming or while you were getting ready. I think it was before. I think he was right before. He was like, yeah, I think I'm about to do this thing. I had no idea what he was getting himself in.

Post. How are you feeling, brother? How are you doing? But you know what? I'm thriving. I'm happy where we are and there's worse things I could do, you know? And the opportunity I got to have was be at home with my daughter this time and like we got to have these amazing experiences. So if it comes to like my background and that being brought up, I just chalk it down to you're going to meet who I am and knows my past is what makes me who I am. And was I upset how it came out on camera? Yeah, but at the same time, no, because you know what? Now you know who I am. It forced him to be accountable and to deal with some things like child support, which recently was paid off in full, just want to say that. But, you know, some things that he may have put off and just kept making the small payments and just doing the minimum.

Going the minimum instead of really just face, because I was more embarrassed about my past and anything else. And so it forced that. When you talk about things, you take the air out of it. Regardless, and I'm not here to crucible. Exactly. But I think what I am here to point out is that, and I always do this when I, talk to people like yourselves.

Like, people don't understand. I mean, it's an interesting experiment to go through to put your life on that kind of platform out of nowhere. And I'll tell you with a difference. Lauren and I do this and we control this. And it's like it comes out how we wanted to come out when we wanted to come out. And like there's nobody in our ears saying, hey, we're going to cut this or change this. We're basically what you hear right now is what you're going to hear later when it's like special editing.

I don't think people think about like when you give your life up to a. platform like this. One, you have a different type of person judging you, right? It's almost like voyeuristic and it's a different type. Like the audience members that chime in on you guys, maybe a lot of them listen to this, but the way that they scrutinize reality people, personnel is completely different than just a regular like, you know, somebody that's creating content on the internet. How have you navigated that since you joined? Because it's a different, like I said, it's you kind of from obscurity to here's the world watching. Yeah. I mean, it was, I mean, I don't even know if I still have figured out how to do that, but I'll just figure it out,

I know that I'm comfortable in my own shoes. I know my past. I know my present. I know where I want to go. I know that. And that's my truth. And so all I just took on, I just went and said,

I'm going to do the best for my partner. She's never had somebody and as a lead role with her, support her through this. And it started off as, I was just her plus one. You have to film. It's her reality,

her world. And as the season started to keep going, production's like, hey, we want you to do more. I was like, okay, perfect. I'm going to do my best.

And then it leads to another season, hopefully, and then another opportunity. So that's all I took it as. And, you know, I think for me to get through the season, I just took that filter that I have, be aware of that filter and then remind myself like, whatever I say is true. Because if I say it or I say it out loud to anybody on us, it's going to be recorded. It's truth. So just make sure I'm aware of that and know that I have to be responsible for my words.

And that's how I took this season. And then, you know, it definitely didn't make me out to be a night in shining armor. And I think there's like a thing going around Instagram right now with all the men of the show. And they're like, who would you marry, sleep with and knock off? and I'm getting killed every single time. Everyone's killing you? That's not cool. I'm not killing you. I found you to be warm and endearing.

And everyone that's judging too, it's like, are you, let's see your perfection. Well, that's, that's it. Everyone has made mistakes. There's something that's warm to me about people that come on a platform like that and own up to it and talk about it. No one is perfect. Like this, it seems sometimes like the people's court think they're perfect. Yeah. It's interesting.

I can't get over something. I gained 55 pounds. So did I. It was rough. Exactly 55. If you told me, Lauren, you have to go film a show 10 days after you gave birth. I, at the point where I was at and I've done work on myself since then I would have lost my fucking shit. Were you freaking out?

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s-K-A-R-A-com slash skinny. You get 20% off your first order. Sakara.com slash skinny. I feel like I was just in such a days, honestly. Like I knew that I had two jobs to be a mom and this baby alive and film a television show at the same time because that's what provides the income for my baby. So there's no choice. And you're just like, I'm going to wear the most flattering thing I can wear and just go for it and show a real, a real postpartum situation. I mean, I did get every shapewear on the planet. I had skims. I had like all of that just so I felt more comfortable. But I also was like, you know what? This is my reality and I agreed to film a reality show. So although I did wear the shapewear because I felt more comfortable just being more tucked in having

so much extra loose skin on my stomach. I was like, you know what? I'm a size large now. I'm usually an extra small and right now I'm large and then I'll be a medium and a small and hopefully get back to the extra small. But at the time, I just knew this is what it is and this is something that a lot of women are going to be able to relate to. Like, no offense to Lala, but girl snapped back the next day. That's not normal. So for me, I was. It's like I can at least tell a normal story and people will be able to relate. And if anyone tries to judge me for that or say I shouldn't be wearing that, like, you're an asshole. And I did get some of those.

Speaking of Lala, I wonder about this. This is kind of about Lala. I think I would lose my shit, especially knowing you a little, I would lose my shit if the world was chiming in on my relationship, let alone people I'm on a show with. Like, if people were chirping into me about my relationship on a show, I think I'd be kicked off the show and be going to jail. Yeah. I wonder how you guys dealt with that and with strain. put on the relationship while you're on a show, the world's chiming in.

People, like, I mentioned Lala, is chiming. And, like, how did you guys both deal with that and stay in a solid relationship? But they've broken a lot of people up. It was also hard because I was trying to work on my friendship with her. So then that's hard for us because he's like, how are you being friends with this person who's trying to destroy me? But I'm like, I just have a separate relationship with her. And like, I'm trying to fix this, but I'm trying to not fight with you.

And so, I mean, God, how did we do it? How much about it's destroying you because it's for the show. versus destroying because like she actually wants to be. Well, just because I'm a person like, whoever I'm dating as we've seen on the past in the show, like I will defend them to the death. Whereas Brock is like, you don't have to like have my back.

I can stand up for myself. So I took that I think maybe too literal. And I'm like, all right, well, if I don't need to fight your battles, then I'm going to work on this friendship because she was the only person on the entire show

who also had a baby just in general, but so recently. So we're both breast. feeding. We both have babies we need to get home to. We can only be gone for so many hours before our boobs are literally screaming. We just found comfort in each other because no one else understood what we were going through. So I just was really gravitating towards her. But then at the same time, she's doing her job so well that she's really coming for him. And I'm like, dude, so it was kind of like midseason. I was like, I'm done with this. Like I'm trying so hard, but I can't pick you

over him. So it was definitely. definitely tough, but... I also think there's another element to it, though, too. You said you weren't finding his battles because he said you couldn't. You're also so... So... You're so, so drained postpartum. You don't have the capacity to even fucking deal.

Like, you can only do what you can do. And so to have to also defend him and take care of the... It's just a lot. Yeah. And I think, I feel like to defend me, don't need... I get to defend me. fence part, but like in time it's going to come. I'm new to the stage. Everyone's going to talk about it and have you can only judge somebody once she's slowly. If I keep doing the same stuff, then cool, go free.

I know. I know that to the course. I feel like when I say to she, I'm like, she's done an amazing job being a mom, you know, everything about it. She's still breast pumping, everything about, like, she's done it all properly. She was worried every single long of the way she had doubts in herself the whole way through it. So I was kind of like, I don't have doubts on who I am or what we are in our relationship. What got us through that, bro, was just that. the fact that we survived the pandemic together. Yeah. Yeah, that's hard.

Let me ask a delicate question here because there's obviously a lot of known parties here. I also think it's relevant when you're getting criticism or advice. I think it's important to think about where that's coming from, right? Like there's people in my life that I seek advice from or seek criticism from based on what I'm doing. If you're getting that advice or criticism from people and maybe the, I'm going to be careful here, the foundation of that house isn't as solid as people had thought, right? I think it would be how are you taking that without kind of blowing up that world? Well, I kind of, I kind of already had my peace in that moment.

When it came out and all that stuff, I kind of was kind of like, you know, I had the same excuse about it. I was kind of like open about it publicly. I was like, well, there you go. You know, keep your house in order. But at the same time, then I needed to be better. And that was an opportunity for me to be, you know what? I understand.

And I should have acted differently. I acted like a 12 year old. And I went out of her on the reunion. Didn't age, but I was showed me who I was. But I was hurt. I think since then we've had some time down and the girls are working on their relationship with the kids and all that. And Lala, honestly, what she has done now, I respect her so much more because before that, it wasn't the fact I had respect for that situation of who Lala was. Now, looking at what she's been doing, she left the money, she left all the and she's doing it herself.

I respect that more. And 100% if I had that light right now, it would refrain to that and be like, look, I get where you're coming from. I'll listen to your advice. but then I didn't want to listen to your advice because Well that's what I'm saying because maybe the advice It's hard to take advice Like if I told, I'll just use a stupid example If I'm telling somebody how to run a business

I'm a terrible businessman It's like shut the fuck up dude right? Right. Yeah. Right? And I'll just use that example. So I imagine it's hard because you're sitting there filming a show and you're like

I think it was just on her high horse judging us It was just more because it was true I think it was the hardest part for me Like the things she was saying was true But it was it was just frustrating because yes, it was true about his past, but it's not true of who he is now as a person and who he is now as a father to summer. So that was what was so hard for me is because was he the best partner and father in the past? Absolutely not, but he's trying to be that now and he's trying to write those wrongs.

And so for her to not understand that at all was so frustrating for me because I'm like, but that's not who he is now. You know, he was 19 in this last relationship, 2021 when he had kids. So he was just in such a different place now. And before we even met, like that, that's always been my goal is to make up that relationship. So before we even picked up film and before we even knew about Vanderpumbrose and being on the show, like I was already made trying. As of 2018, once I finally opened up in my business and I finally got something underneath me, I knew I could make that turn to be like, no, I am a better person. Like let me work on that.

And I'll be working on that relationship. We were. The show definitely just put fire onto that. They just fast track. Well, I put fire on it on both sides. Like, it really made it a lot more difficult because now we have a platform and then my exes doesn't like to see that. Yeah, we were asked to respect their privacy and not speak about this publicly. And then it's like, well, someone else is bringing it up on the show.

So we kind of have to address it. Yeah. What about another misconception about you guys? The whole, I feel like there was also a little bit of disjointedness with you guys going to get engaged or married at James's wedding. That's all me. That was so annoying. It was, I'll let you take this one. Look, the reality is we didn't know if the show was coming back, period.

We still don't. We never do. It's coming back. You guys, what are we to tell you? Well, it's coming back. But last season, we didn't, we didn't, we didn't, I didn't know what was going on. And I took this as the one time, I really took advice from somebody in the show, which was Ariana. And I love her still.

She's like, don't quit on this. Because during the season, I was like, I got a cool idea. And I spoke to production. and are like, Sheena's done, being married, engaged before on the show. Like, you've got to be creative. I was like, I got a creative thing. I want to have a movie premiere night. And then the movie premiere itself is going to be me and Sheena's kind of love story from YouTube.

We've recorded it. And it will be our love story highlight. And then I would propose to her. And then we turn into a shotgun wedding because everyone's dressed up. And it would just be short and simple. She's been married. I've been married. Whatever.

Have fun with it. Because I thought that's what I wanted to do on the show. So she could have that fairy story. What is it? Fairy tale. Fairy tale ending. Turn into a freaking nightmare because I get, once I got onto that, and then that, because of COVID, we couldn't film that. And permits.

Like, people forget about permits. You got to pull permits for everywhere you film. We can't just say, we're going to the beach tomorrow. So it didn't really work out too well. And then I was like, I'm not going to handle. You're telling me that you guys don't just gallivance around and show up and there's cameras waiting. People think that. They really think that.

They're like, why couldn't you just do it at the beach? I'm like, because you have to get a permit. You can't just go and film in Malibu tomorrow. Yeah. Like some permits for. Certain cities take weeks to apply for. So he was working with what he had. And we only filmed,

it was the shortest season we filmed since like season two. Don't you dare break the fourth wall for me. Yeah. No, I literally, I was like to do with this. We didn't have that much time. But they're like, we're all booked out except for this one weekend in the morning,

you could do something. I was like, okay, we'll do that then. But as, and then as we got up there, we weren't even allowed off sight because of COVID rules and that. We needed to be on the, I'm permitting. We needed to be on location.

So at that point in time. That it was at Sunstone, I was like, we're not doing this. I was still like hell of it. Because here's my theory on it. I'll take a bullet for her. Everyone else can kick rocks. That was literally the mindset I had. I didn't know if the show it was coming back.

I wanted to do this for her. And if you want to have a problem, I'll take the point. But it was not what I wanted. I was like, first of all, I wanted his family to be there for that moment. If he would have done the surprise shock on wedding thing, I mean, I had no saying that. because I didn't know what was happening. But then when it got changed to, oh, maybe we do this in solving, my sister wasn't able to be there.

And I was like, I would really want my sister there. And then I was like, also, your family can't be there. But, you know, if we just do something small and private, no one finds out about it until they watch the episodes. And, like, for the reunion, then we can still do our, like, big wedding with your family, like, back in Bali, Australia, New Zealand, something like that. So I was like, okay, I'm down. And then when we found out, oh, no, it has to be at Sunstone where everyone else. sustain. I was like, oh, so we just have James and Raquel come out on their terrace and see a

wedding going on and then realize that's Brock and Sheena? Wait, sounds like the producers were sticking their fingers around in this one. Well, especially when it comes down to like a timeline and how can you get it done to like this is the only time you can get. So they look. They knew. They knew. And I'm not saying the show scripted because it's not. It's a hundred percent real.

But what the, what the producers get to see is they have everyone's conversations and they are, they know what's going on. they can really dive into a storyline and they just follow it like that. And so it's not scripted. We just get leaned into those situations. James was harsh. Oh, yeah.

You know what? I'm surprised at the end, like that was, because you guys missed two days of him arguing with everybody beforehand because of, because of like. Well, that morning from what I've heard, he was an absolute nightmare. So I think he got all of his rage out that morning thinking his engagement party was going to get canceled. that he had no rage maybe left. I mean, she should have just in the middle of her speech when she was out there just been like,

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affect the group? Yes. Yes. There's a dynamic in there because you can't pick James or Raquel. We're picking Raquel over James because Raquel's actually living with us right now in our L.A. apartment. We're down in San Diego full time. She's here at our place in L.A. Oh, that's the Meltzer connection. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So he feels that we've automatically taken her side and I'm like, well, first of all, James, like, you got back on your feet right away. You had a new apartment lined up and, like, you were good to go. If it was the other way around and Raquel already had everything good to go and you were struggling and you needed a place to stay, I would have offered you the exact same thing

because we're down in San Diego, the apartment, we're just paying for it. It's empty. I wouldn't have only offered that to Raquel. So, like, you're feeling we picked her side because she's living with us right now, but that's not the case. But James wasn't exactly butterflies to Brock, even. there though. I mean, I mean, that, he was, he was hard on you. And, and, and, and, but here's the thing. Sorry, I'm not to cut you off, but he was hard on him because he was hurt. And that's where I can understand that. Because James felt like him and Brock were establishing a really good friendship. They were hanging out, working out together all the time. Doing ice bass. James, I'm trying to help him.

But also, James and Raquel were two of the only people out of all of our friends who made the effort to go to Palm Springs to visit us in the pandemic, to drive down to San Diego, spend time with us. They were two of the only people who did that. So then when filming starts up and now we're back in L.A. And he's getting close with Sandoval again, close with Schwartz again. James just felt like, what about me? Like I thought we had this friendship that we've been building. So he was hurt. So I understand that James has a really shitty way.

of expressing how he's truly feeling, but that's where it came from was he was just hurt. Let me ask you guys this. Lauren and I do this show together as you see. And like sometimes you do a show, be like, high five, that was a good one. Sometimes you're like,

oh, that was not so good. When you guys have a poor day of filming or something we were like, oh, fuck, that was like, we didn't mean to say that, I didn't want to do that. And you know it's in the hand. Like, what is the conversation

that takes place? There's no conversation. I know. It goes in my head over and over. I lose sleep. Like, I just replay it over. Oh, I should have said this. I shouldn't have said that.

And seasons ago, I would just smoke some weed and forget about it, but I don't have that luxury anymore. So now it just goes through my head. They have the professionals. But I imagine that's a source of anxiety, especially in a world. Confessionals are hard. Why? Because, I mean, this is me. You're a pro.

I don't act. I'm bad at all of this, right? I'm really, I think I really, I enjoy the live component. You just put a camera on us and we'll live our best life. But then you have to go in three months later and now pin together the story. storyline for people. It's not on the day. Like, not that week you go have a confession. It's not like The Bachelor when they pull you out of your That would be easy. That would be easy because you'll get better content if they did that because people will be pissed. They'll be really emotional. Oh, yeah. And as, but what happens is now they've put the story load together, then you have to go in and fill in the gaps in those interviews.

And so they're like, hey, this remember this time. And you remember it. You remember what you said. But now they're like, yeah, we want you to respond to that. For me, that was very difficult. Because it's not fresh. Because it's not fresh. That's not my makeup. I'm a, I'm a, I'm a boy and a plumber. Like, I didn't think I was going to sit in front of a camera and tell them how I feel. I think it's also strange there is you got like probably like if it's three months later, the relationship has also changed. It's different. Exactly.

And that was what was hard for me, especially with Lala. Is it a better place. We've come so far. And then I see the shit she says. Yeah. And then the finale happened where her and I get in a huge explosive fight. And then we ended up leaving together that day. And Charlie was like, I don't understand how you got in a car and left with her after

that fight you got. And I was like, well, she was my sober driver and I wasn't sober. So I still needed a ride home that night. And then we ended up talking. I was like, look, I understand why you did what you did. I understand why you told James. You know, we all have a job to do. You were doing your job.

I can get past it. But like, let's not do that to each other anymore. And we've gotten through so much and we're in such a good place. But then, you know, three months later, I saw that interview where I'm like, I'm done with her. That seems like that would cause fights off air. Yeah, that hence his reaction to. the end of the season at the reunion. Then three months later, we've aired it and that guy's reunion.

Because we were so good. And Lala came over to our house and she explained everything that was going on in her relationship and was just looking to us as a support system to be there for her. And then a couple weeks later, we filmed the reunion. He's just coming at her and she's like, whoa, whoa, whoa. This is way different energy than you were putting off at your house two weeks ago. This is not like normal life. There's no like textbook on how to handle it.

There's nothing normal about our life. I mean, it's cool. It's just not normal. I mean, lesson learned, I'm not going to like binge five, the last five episodes. No, we have to. Two days before the reunion and just sit there and steam up on it. I'm telling you, if she was in person, I would have been, I would have been in a biggest, I would have done so much, I had so many things in my head.

If she was in person, it gave me some feet. I was trying to argue with someone on a TV. Yeah, that's true. She didn't come across too well. So Lisa Vanderpump, what is the relationship to her now? Is everything smoothed over? Are you guys good? You guys kind of got into it on the show, I felt like.

I mean, I felt like Lisa gave me her respect. After that, she was like, I don't approve of what you've done, but thank you for speaking to me honestly. And then I, since then, we've always had a respect for each other. I even called her up the other day because I'm trying to do some events out here in LA and I wanted to get her feedback. So I think my role with Lisa is just kind of like, I'm very thankful for the opportunity as a family and what she's done for Sheena and on that.

And that's that, me and Ken get along like a house on fire. I run in him at Tom Tom and we buy a beer together and we sit down and he gives me shit and I give him shit back. He's fun. And Lisa kind of like just checks in and keeps everyone on the toes. Yeah, Lisa is someone I have so much respect for and I look up to so much. She's like the second mom who you want her approval. When you're dating someone like you need your mom's approval. Otherwise it's just going to be frustrating.

So I was very nervous that now Lisa has this skewed perception of who he is based on what Lala has brought up at a tea party. So I was really nervous about that because I'm like, I know my past. I always say, you know, this is the one. Oh my God, I'm so happy. I've never been happier in my entire life. And they've heard this time and time again on the show. So when it comes to my actual forever and happiness, I'm like, no one's going to believe me. They're just going to think I'm full of shit.

Like Sheena said this about everyone. I've watched the show from the beginning. I believed you. It was different. It was different. Because he's my person. Yeah. And I think also that.

With the other ones, I feel like they also edited like looks and- 100%. Because when I looked back, Rob and I are friends again now. But when I watched that season back when I was heartbroken, it was just like more just like knives in the back. I don't know. They almost like play into like the cringe. Yeah, because I'm like, I don't remember the relationship like that. Was it really like that? He's like, no, he's like, because now we've had these conversations.

and he was like, Sheena, I was so uncomfortable on camera. Like, I just closed off and I wasn't the way I was, you know, in private with you. And I'm like, yeah, because when I watched it back, I'm like, shit, that guy really didn't love me. Yeah, but honey, it's not easy. And Rob's defense, he hung a TV in seven minutes, but like, it's hard to walk into that room. What else could he do in seven minutes? Nothing.

That was better. You know, I would not, I know this about myself. I would struggle doing what you did, going into an. established group on an established show out of nowhere, putting your whole, like, and again, you're talking to somebody who's very comfortable voicing being out there. But that is a difficult situation that I don't think people can appreciate unless they're in it. Yeah, it was intimidating. And I'll tell you that. But then, but in, I think the fun part about it was we had these cool things. We got, we went to Coachella when the thing was shut down. Yeah. Like, I was just like,

this is like, this is an opportunity. This is great. And so that's a fun part. And it provides so many opportunities outside of filming, you know? So it's like, yeah, there's some shit we have to go through, but at the end of the day, like, it is ultimately so worth it to me because we are so blessed, you know, I was just saying on my podcast earlier, we get to live in three different cities, you know, like we are so very fortunate and these opportunities have all come from the show. So if I have to, you know, deal with some shit and get yelled out at a tea party to live the life that we live, then, you know, so be it. I understand that this show, you're going to yell back next season. You've I absolutely will be clapping back more next season because it got my mojo back.

Yeah, you don't feel postpartum. You don't have a piece of fog in front of your face. No. People don't realize postpartum. I didn't even get it until after we watched it, I started watching it. I was like, wait, what? Because I didn't see the transformation. It feels like there's a piece of fog over your eyes and you can't see straight and you can't

snap out of it. I wanted to just reach through the TV and shake myself when I'm sitting down with Charlie at Tom Tom and I'm like, I'm sorry, you're right, I'll be better. I'm sorry, I wasn't a good friend. And I'm like, Sheena, shut up. You just had a baby. You just almost died. Like, oh my God, why are you apologizing? I can't with high maintenance friends. Sorry, I can't. You're like, I can't. That's a whole different podcast. That's a podcast right there itself. I want to know what you guys have learned watching yourselves back because there's some kind of self-awareness in all of this. When you watch yourself back and you're like, oh my God,

besides what you just said, like, why did I do that? Why did I say that? Am I really like that? Because that's a trip too. Yeah. I think, I mean, I've learned that I do need to be just more open about my feelings. And I need to not always apologize for everything, but at the same time, own up to everything. And I feel like that's why I apologize so much now is because in the past, I've watched me just try to make excuses and crawl out of a hole without like using my words. That now I'm like, you know what? Yeah, I fucked up. I'm sorry. but now I've gotten so good at the apologizing that I'm not really even saying how I feel. So after watching this season back, I'm like, I should have asked more questions.

Like, why am I not being a good friend, Charlie? What exactly have I done? Because once I finally asked her that off camera, she was like, well, you just like, you know, you weren't around as much. I'm like, because I had a baby. I just like, there was not one specific thing where she's like, well, you know what? On Monday when you said this and that, like that really hurt me. She had no direct examples.

It was just that she was jealous. I was rebuilding my friendship with Lala because she felt like I liked Lala more than her. She said her and her boyfriend sat at home and said, do Sheena and Brock like Randall and Lala more than us now? So that's where it came from. And I'm like, are you fucking kidding me? Guys, I would take a dull knife and jab it into my jugular if I had to go through something like that. I don't know how high maintenance.

I mean, again, it's another podcast. But, you know, people are living their lives. Yeah. It's not that serious. All right. So I did something really cute for Easter that I feel like everyone should do on any holiday if they have to give a gift. I got all my nieces and nephews and Zaza Easter baskets, but I also got them a crate from KiwiCo.

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You'll be so impressed with all their crates. If I have a friend, let me just put this out there. A little side note. If I have a friend that expects a text message back within the hour, I can't. I cannot deliver that. The expectation up front, I cannot. Sometimes it takes me a week to get back to someone.

It's nothing against them. It's that you have to be able to live. your life in the present. And if you're just sitting there returning every single thing, you're not even like, and people that don't understand that, I'm just like, I feel like they need to get busy. Yeah. And with Charlie, she's a decade younger than me. You know, she hasn't been through, and I hope she never goes through a miscarriage, you know, having the baby, the postpartum and all of that. I'm like, we are in such different places, but I'm still trying to be your friend and like your big sis and like, have a good summer with you. The show also doesn't help. You know,

being in that show, like being on a show, you have to have a problem. Like, you have to voice an opinion, you know? Yeah, but it didn't have to be with me. But that's where, that's where. Her issues were with Lala, not with me. But maybe what it is is that they look almost for the weakest link. And I'm not saying you're weak. No.

I'm just saying at that moment. But I'm the nicest. But you were also postpartum. Mm-hmm. And that's, you're in a weekend state. 100% of that easy time. Always. I haven't gone back and watched it.

But like, I see how, I see how people. I mean, I see how people. how she feels when production calls her phone, I literally had to talk to production. I was like, oh my God, my blood pressure is through the roof when I see his name on my phone.

Every time I told him up, I told him up, I was like, every time you call her, she freaks out. Because it's always bad news. So do me, do me favor. Call her up a later.

I know she's done a good season this season. Like do something to build that relationship up. Otherwise, you feel like you're the show's punching bag at times. Yeah. She allows it. Because I'm just. But she was also pregnant with me for this season.

I allow it, I think, because I am so strong that I can take it and I don't think some of these girls that come off so tough and strong are actually that way. I think it's a front and they can't actually take it.

And that's why I just take the beating because I'm like, I'm going to be okay. If this happened to you, you wouldn't be okay. Well, let's put it out there in the ether that this next season that I think is going to happen. Yeah. That you're not the punching back. No, I'm not because I'm just so done with that.

Like, I came into the reunion just like guns blazing ready to go. And now, I mean, I just, I feel like me again. I genuinely feel like the best version of myself. And that wasn't last year. Before everything you dealt with with your pregnancy, you just mentioned that you had a miscarriage and you froze your eggs. First of all, that's a lot of hormones. Yeah. How was that going through that in front of everyone?

Because you went through it kind of on YouTube. Yeah. I mean, and then I had froze my eggs the season before. So I was also that past season. So you froze your eggs first. Yeah, I froze my eggs twice. And then I was getting ready to do a third round. And we were just going to, we were talking about maybe just freezing embryos.

And that's when I found out I was pregnant the first time because I missed my period. And I was waiting for my period. So you have to go in and get that first test done when you're on your period. And I was like, I'm a couple days late. This is weird. And were you filming at the time? No. This was, we thought we were going to be ready to start filming at any moment.

but that was like May 2020 and we thought things were going to start opening back up would probably be filming by June and then, you know, a whole other year passed. You were so open though. I think that that probably one normalized it. Yeah. Not normalized it,

but it just, it talked about a taboo that we don't get to talk about a lot. And you also like shared exactly how you were feeling. Yeah, and he was against that in the beginning. It was. Because I said, you know, this miscarriage, I said, I do weekly podcast and weekly vlogs. I cannot continue with.

my weekly life, just put a smile on my face and act like the most devastating thing in my life didn't just happen. Like I have to talk about this. I have to address it. Even if it's just one podcast and one vlog and then we go back. But I cannot go through life not addressing this. And I said so I at that point honestly didn't care if he broke up with me. I was going to tell my story publicly because I knew he would understand one day. But I'm like, this isn't a discussion. I'm doing this because I have chosen a public life. And I know by telling this story, it's going to help even one person. If it's just one person that they say, wow, now I don't feel so alone.

And it helped thousands. I got so many messages. And he saw that and realized, you know, okay, I get why. That was the first, like, kind of exposure I had to what her platform can do. Yeah. You know, because before that, we met in San Diego. The world shut down. Like, I didn't really kind of understand the world that she lived in.

now I kind of have a full grasp of it. But at that point of time, yeah, I was like, look, honey, like that's something we're going. I didn't even talk to my mom. My mom found out through the papers. No, she found out because she listened to my podcast. That was how his mom found out. Because he wouldn't let me tell her. Well, I was also dealing with our miscarriage my way as well.

I know. But you knew the podcast was coming out Friday. And then Australia time, you know, they're a whole day ahead of us. And at 4 a.m. when my podcast came out, his mom listened to it as she did every week. and that's how she found out. Well, this is what I was kind of alluding to earlier. And I think, like, I'm big on talking about, like, being kind to people on the internet. And listen, like, I'm critical of people, but I've never, I am, I pride Lauren and I's platform

to be in a position where we're never tearing anybody down. I try to lift people up. And I remind people when it comes to what you guys do that at the end of the day, you're both humans and you've chosen to put yourself on a public platform that many people get entertainment and enjoyment and relief down. But there is a, there is a kind of violent visceral side. people that's cruel on the internet. It's like where they forget that there's two humans at the other end of that screen.

And like listen, you might, like you and Lala get in a fight or you and whoever get in a fight. It's like, it's not the biggest deal in the world. There's other things going on. Like, people can, like, allow a little bit of grace. And, like, still be excited and enthusiastic about the show. But, like, remember, there's humans involved here. It sounds like, though, when you talked about your miscarriage that people were not going at you, it sounds like.

It doesn't sound like they were, like, being mean. They weren't. But I also did. did feel that certain people were judging. How could she get pregnant only being with this guy for six months? Like, she doesn't know him. Oh, my God. You can't win.

Even I remember. Look at him. I can see how it could happen. Yeah, you know? Or do you want to get pregnant with him right now? No, baby. But I even remember when Lisa was like on watch what happens live and they asked like, whose pregnancy were you most surprised about?

And she's like, well, Sheena, you know? Like, they've barely started dating and like, now she's pregnant. And I'm like, why does it matter if we've been together a month or 10 years? Like, I do know this is my person. I understand. I've said that before. We also need to highlight the fact that, like, you did do two years of, like, preparing to try and have a kid because you didn't know if you actually could.

And that's like, that's that. And so when we found out that she was pregnant, not going to lie, we're like, wait. What? What? And then we had the miscarriage. And then that was a conversation to actually have at that point. It's like, I'm from my ex. I have my relationship with my past kids.

And I'm like, that was a tough one for me. and I went golfing and it turned into a whole story because I went golfing, whatever. But also, we just had someone on our podcast that was talking about meditation. This is a little tangent. And he said that when you meditate and you go inward and you have self-reflection, it doesn't have to be just closing your eyes in a room. Golfing, he actually brought that up, is a meditation. Surfing is a meditation, walking on the beach.

Maybe that's the way that you were meditating through the process and processing it. I just think that everyone needs to just see other people's shoes before they pass judgment right away. It's like, take a little time to like just think how you would feel and what you would do. Maybe golfing's your way of dealing with things. And I understood that shortly after. I had just already vented to Lala. And so then she took that and was like, well, Brock should have been there for her and he was out golfing. And it came across as if I was actively miscarrying, bleeding out at home. And he left and said, I'm going to go do the back night. You know, and it wasn't that at all. We found out we were.

were having a miscarriage. The doctor said, we'll give you a week to see if you can naturally pass it. If not, then we'll do the DNC procedure. So it was this in-between time when he was coming back to Palm Springs to spend the night with me to only turn around and drive back to San Diego to be at the gym first thing the next morning. He was still driving up to be there for me. He just was late and I was freaking out that he wasn't going to be there at the time. He said he was going to be there. But once he explained that that was what he needed to do to deal with it on his own, I understood that. But then me trying to explain that to Lala was just making an excuse. I think like the best lesson to learn from reality, this is me and my young years of it, is just like, there's always

going to be an opinion about it. And as you grow, there's going to be more opinions. And so that's that, you know. You sure do build mental toughness, huh? Yeah. You have to. I feel like you have to. For me, I never cared because I've never had to deal with it. The pressure this season was a little bit. And I think halfway through it when I realized like, this is, this is still going to get talked about when I left the room storming out of the fulfillment. I was like, you guys don't pay me for this. See you later, bro. Yeah. And it wasn't even about the money. It was just about the respect out of all of it. And that's what happened this season. Like at the end of it, I was like, look, you know what? You were going to give me a little bit of keep your money. I don't care about that.

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and you get free shipping with your $60 purchase when you use code skinny. Again, that's mirad.com, M-U-R-A-D dot com when you use code skinny. There's a lot of women that are listening to this show. What was the process like of freezing your eggs twice? Was it in a row? No, so it was in January and then again in June.

Was it with Dr. Goddier? Yeah. Okay. Shout out, Dr. Gaddi. We've had him on our podcast twice. We love him. So was the process gnarlier than you thought? Or was it less gnarly? Is it something that you would recommend to people? Like, what was your experience? So this is something I also got shit for because I said it was painless and easy. Because for me, it honestly was, that's why I did it again. And I was getting ready to do it again. I'm like, I could just keep doing this to make sure I get

enough eggs or embryos, you know, once I had the right person to fertilize them. Because for me, I think It's also a big mental thing. I mean, also, if you have a fear of needles, then that could be something that is just next level. But for me, I have been injecting needles in my face for over a decade. I have 27 tattoos. Well, I haven't for two years. But the needle part didn't bother me.

And the mental part, just knowing that I was doing this as the best insurance policy for my future, I had such an easy time doing it. It wasn't a hard decision when I only got nine eggs the first time. to do it again. So when I did it the second time and then I only got seven, Dr. your dear was like, well, you might want to consider doing it a third time. He's like, you know, 16's good. It's not great. It's not a ton because those are just eggs. They're not fertilized embryos that have been genetically tested. So for me, it was something that I would never regret doing. It's money. I would never regret spending. I highly, I do. I highly recommend it to

anyone. They say around 29 is like a good time to think about it. They have so many payment plans that you can do and there's just so much good that could come out of this that I would never regret it. So I highly recommend it. Here's the problem. I know what you're going to say. I know exactly what you're

going to say. Listen, I don't have nearly the platform you have special on social, but I was doing this health routine and it involved like IVs and supplements and all this stuff. And I told and there is some cost involved with what I was doing. I was like, I'm going to lay out exactly what I'm going to lay out exactly what I'm going to sugarcoat. I'm going to tell you exactly what I'm doing, where it is, you can look up the cost.

And I said, like, obviously some of these things come with some financial resource. But I want to be completely transparent in everything that I'm doing, right? Because that was the question. And inevitably, there's a segment of people that'll chime in and say, well, this is unattainable. This is, you know, like, there's a cost. It's expensive. And I was like, listen, do you want me to be fucking transparent or do you want me to tell you I drink lemon water?

Right. This is the problem. And if you, if that was your experience where you went through it relatively easy, like you should share that. It shouldn't alter your experience and lie to people to soothe a certain demographic that wants that soothing, right? Like, it's like, you want the truth or do you want me to just lie like everybody else does? And I'm like, why wouldn't people want to know that this can be easy?

It can be painless, you know? For some. For some. Yeah. Whereas my best friend Ariana had a slightly different experience when she froze her eggs. And she got so many that she ended up getting like, I forget what it's called exactly, but like over-stimulation, whatever. and her recovery was much harder because she got so many eggs.

I had to do it two times and I still got 10 less eggs than she got in one time. So everyone's experience is different, but I was just talking about mine. So I'm like, why are you guys, why would you want me to have a painful, bad experience with this? Because welcome to the human rights. People should celebrate people that are telling the truth, even if it's not a truth that they agree with. It's popular. And if your experience was that it was relatively easily and painless for you, like you should share that. You shouldn't go and be like, oh my God, it was miserable.

And I mean, if you didn't, right? And same in the case. But same as the case if it was a miserable shit, your experience. Exactly. But yeah, it's just people would like to always, I feel like half of the following on the show that you get and that we get now is half of them are there to for you. The other half of there, just to pick it you. And you just got to be able to navigate that and have the confidence that you're doing the right thing. And we don't need to look for other people's opinion or their, what's it, their approval for whatever we do.

And if the problem is if you might as well tell your. truth because if you lie, you're going to get crucified just the same. Exactly. And you get caught. Of course. Yeah. Of course. You guys are a great couple. It's really nice to meet you both in person. I know I've met Brock before, but both of you together. And I also think, like, for me, when I watch these shows and then I meet the person in person, it's always, I've always noticed you end up, I've always liked you guys on the show, but you like, like them even more, which is, it's, again, that shows, though, that the, the producers are not showing the whole story.

It's tough. Like she's going to say, they got to tell everyone's input. You know, how to explain everyone's start to finish. And the show is for entertainment. It's not to tell our entire life story. So I understand that. Come follow us on YouTube. Yeah.

YouTube. Okay. So you guys have a podcast with Dear Media. Yes. You have home bodies. Tell us all about what you're working on, what you're working on together, how everything's jointed. Yeah.

Not disjointed. So, yeah, the podcast, new episodes every Friday. My vlog is out every Wednesday. We do some bonus things for Patreon. little exclusives here and there. And that with the baby keeps me pretty busy. She helps me out a lot with my influencer outreach with HomeBody. So we've built out of the platform, live streaming platform,

been doing that for like the last year and a half, and we've really got some good traction coming up. So a couple of big meetings. And then hopefully a really exciting charity launch. I want to do something in the community here for Pride. And I'm thinking of doing like a treadmill. Every bar we run on each treadmill, we donate $100 type thing and have like some actual life fitness classes throughout the day and do like a eight-hour challenge.

You know, you get creators in there on the treadmills, going live and raising some money for awareness. I think you're going to call it Walk for Pride. Oh, pride in our stride. That's what is going to be called. Nice. Michael will run. I'll volunteer him. And then you guys can go ice bath. Michael's getting good at the ice bath. How good. Look, I love, when I, on the show, I tried to take James there because for me, ice bath is there's no negatives to it. There's zero negatives to it. And it's all, and it's, if you want to feel accomplished, jump in it, get out. Perfect. You accomplish that one of, if you want to get the health benefits, get in there, better sleep, better, all of it. You know, there's no negatives to it. How are you finding it then?

No, I love it. I mean, I think it's a whole, I mean, I think I'm addicted to it now. Right. You become addicted to it. What are you doing in your, what are you using for an ice bath? So we have, there's two now. There's this one called the plunge and then there's another one called it. It's called the cold plunge and you guys, it's like, it's like set the temperature down at like 38, 45. I'm going to send it to you because because you guys, I'm going to send you You guys should collaborate with that. I would love to. You can get it in your house.

It looks like a really cute, a chic bathtub. My Rinky Dink set up is I have a deep freezer from the gym that I took home. And I just hop mopped it and then I put water in it. I mean, that's a free. After this, I'm going to connect you with the guy. Okay, yeah, because I love it. Actually, I don't even fit in mine. Mine's like a seven.

Yeah, how do you fit in yours? It's the funny thing. I don't have that same problem. I sit in and she was like, baby. I was like, look, she's like, can I get it? Can I get a big one, honey? She's like, if you go on that every day for 14 days straight. So I was five days straight and I'm going away tonight.

But when I come back, no more days. And then we're going to upgrade. I'm going to text you a podcast on some protocols on it. And I'm also going to connect you with this company. This company would be a bunch of dumb shits not to send you something. You're on there all the time. Oh, my God. I love it.

Yeah. Yeah. The cold plunge, too, you guys can use Code Skinny. Before we go, though, I have to ask you both this question. Okay. You look amazing. Thank you. And you obviously look amazing, Brock too.

Thank you. Can you give our audience a couple tips and tricks like to tighten up, lose weight, feel their best? I'd love to. Go, honey. My biggest one is now that I'm able to lift weights again, that's my favorite thing to do in the gym. I hate doing cardio. I also hate getting on specific diets. So if I still want to eat what I want to eat, then I know I need to get into the gym and I need to lift some weights. That's a good tip. Boom. That weightlifting really helped me too. Yeah, and he makes me lift

heavier than I would want to. I also have a trainer, but when I work out with him, it's so funny because when I'm with my trainer, like I do so many exercises. I don't complain. We get through it. He says, I'm his client who complains the least. When I work out with Brock, I'm like, why are you putting 20 more pounds on that? It's too heavy. But then I do it. You look amazing. Thank you. You look good, honey. I think when it comes to fitness and get people to change, there's a lot to it. So let's keep it simple and just try and pick one thing and be consistent with that one thing. If it's walking, if it's something you don't do, just do one thing every day and that's it. And you can build up on that slowly. What do you do? You got a routine going on.

I've got an oversized t-shirt on. That's what I got on right now. No, but you take summer running almost every morning. Okay. My new thing is, because I used to be an athlete, but then the last two years, very comfortable. And I think I got to my heaviest, even on the show. I was like, oh, damn, cameras do make you look real big. And so, you know, perfect.

Yeah, I was like, perfect. But no, for me, I just, I have my daily to-dos, and one of them's a nice bath. One of them is two-mile jog. It's a jog. I just got a complete two miles without stopping. That's my accomplishment. And then if I can get into a lift, I just go to, I just lift everything always. How many days a week?

Like three or four if I can. Okay. So you guys are lifting the same. You gotta get the rest days in. It's it. You got to do your two mile run. Look, bro, we're working on our father figure. It's not a dab board now.

It's a father figure. That's what we're working on. Well, you guys both look great. I'm going to message you after I give birth for some tips. Yeah. We'll be in L.A. We'll be up here for you. I will not be filming 10 days after I give birth.

That is, you deserve a fucking medal. Thank you. Where's your Instagram handle? Pimp yourself out. Everything is at Sheena, S-C-H-E-A-N-A. And it's Brock underscore underscore-U-S-Sk-Divys. We got it. Thank you, guys.

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