The Bossticks - Simon Huck On How To Get & Keep The Career Of Your Dreams, Reality TV Early Days, & How Your Passion Can Unlock More Than Just An Income

Episode Date: February 6, 2023

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And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you along for the ride. Get ready for some major realness. Welcome to the skinny confidential, him and her. People in certain circles only want to talk to you if they feel like there's something to benefit. And so at the time when I was this unpaid intern where you'd feel a little bit invisible, I experienced that for the first five, six, seven years of living in New York when I didn't have this like rolladex of people in my life and I was just the intern. I think the number one hack is don't follow the money. Follow the passion. Follow what you're obsessed with. What keeps you up at night. What like drives that crazy feeling in your stomach, not the money. Simon Halk is on the skinny confidential him and her podcast today. You may recognize him from social media.

You may recognize him from the Kardashians. You may recognize him from Judy, an emergency preparedness company, or even sniff, his non-toxic clean candle company, or perhaps even Lemmy. A supplement company he partnered on with Courtney Kardashian. He does so many things. He is so multifaceted. But most of all, he is one of the most down-to-earth guests that we've had on this podcast. He's funny. He's cool. He's in on the joke. And he doesn't take himself so seriously.

I had such an incredible time interviewing him because it was like we were at Happy Hour with him. So it's a very organic, easy conversation. He's witty. He's cool. I just liked him. You know what I mean? He was just one of those guests that you're like, come back on whenever. In this episode, we'll talk about how we got his first internship, the art of persistence, the unglamorous side of the entertainment industry, hair transplants. The first time he met Kim Kardashian, we talk about Melissa Wood, we talk about connecting brands, celebrities, all different kinds of things and how he went on to build Lemmy, his marriage, and working with a spouse. He really does it all. And I could not be more excited to have him on. Let me know if you guys want to do part two. And we have a giveaway at the end of this. So definitely

stay tuned until the end. On that note, let's welcome Simon Hawk to the Skinny Confidential, him and her show. This is the skinny confidential, him and her. Simon, I want to get your story. Free Hollywood. I want you to go back to where you grew up, how you grew up, if you knew that you were meant for New York, for Hollywood. What was your childhood like?

Oh, my God. Such a heated question. So I guess this all starts back. I grew up in Ottawa, Canada, and I never really knew. what I wanted to do. I knew that I was obsessed with celebrities. So at the age of 10, my parents got me a subscription to People magazine. And like every Christmas, all of my stocking stuffers were tabloids. Like I had an Us Weekly subscription throughout high school. And I would like tear things out. I would put them on boards. And I knew that I was obsessed with the idea and kind of like the

mechanics of celebrity. Like I was fascinated by agents and managers. I was like, how does that even work. Like, what do they do? So during award seasons, I would sit there with my parents. We would watch the show and I would see the red carpet and I'd be like, who's that person moving them around with a clipboard? Like, I want to know what the clipboard life. And then in college, you know, I was kind of just trying to figure out what I wanted to do. And I still had an Us Weekly subscription. Like I received a weekly, Us Weekly in my dorm at college, which is like strange. And my school was like very academic. And there I am like reading about at the time. It was like, Lindsay Lohan.

And there was an article about a woman named Lizzie Grubman. And Lizzie, if you aren't familiar with Lizzie, Lizzie had a show on MTV called Power Girls.

And she was also involved in a very high-profile car accident, unfortunately, that she hit 20 people outside of a car and she, outside of a nightclub,

and she ended up going to prison. And she came out of prison and MTV gave her a TV show. And that's where I found her. People died in that accident or no? They were, no, they were maimed and wounded. It was awful.

She became from this incident, like, welcome to America. This thing in New York City. I mean, she had always had this PR firm, but this accident really propelled her into the spotlight. And that is where this, a Swinkly story about her came out. She was like spotted holding hands. It called her publicity princess, Lizzie Grubman,

spotted holding hands with John Mayer at NYC hotspot Marquis. And I was like, oh my God. Like, these are all triggers for me. Like, what is the publicity princess and how do I get involved? So I picked up the telephone and I called her office and I said, I will do anything. I will work for free, whatever you want. And they kept hanging up on me and they're like, we don't have a job. We don't have a job. We don't do interns. Finally, someone picked up and said, okay, I will meet you if you happen to be in New York. So I called my parents and I was like, I got a job interview. They were like, amazing. What is it?

What's the firm? Like, they thought I was like looking for like, you know, a marketing agency. See, I was looking for anything outside of kind of what I was doing then. A month later, I met with Lizzie and Jonathan in New York and the rest is history. I started as an unpaid intern and that was 18 years ago. Were your parents always supportive when you were growing up? Because I know that a lot of people ask me because I feel like I've always wanted to be an entrepreneur. And a lot of people's parents are like, no, you have to be this or you have to be a doctor or a lawyer. Were your parents always like, you do you?

Hmm. Yes. But I think they also thought the dreams of like working. Because I didn't know what, I didn't even know what PR was. I thought PR was like event planning. I thought like I would be like lighting candlesticks on a table. Like I didn't know. I'm from Canada.

So we didn't even know. I didn't know that like, I mean, I still to this day like when I think of PR, it's like a vast industry. Saying your publicist doesn't properly like surmise what each publicist does. Like there's corporate PR. There's health care. PR. There's like entertainment PR. So I didn't really know what I was getting into, but I knew that anything attached to celebrity I would be really good at because I was very passionate and I was obsessed. I wanted to

learn everything about every TV show, every character. Like I was just, I was in it. What are some of your first celebrity moments where you were like, oh my God, I've come so far. This is so crazy. Like looking way, way, way back. So when I first got the job, first of all, it was an unpaid internship. So it wasn't like, this dream job and I didn't come for money. So I was living on like a sofa situation on a friend's you know, it was not a glam. Speak about this because I think people need to hear this because it's like you loved it so much. You're getting an unpaid internship. Yeah. So I basically met with Lizzie and Lizzie was partners with this guy named Jonathan Chevin who now goes by Food God. Officially, is that a legal name change? He legally changed his name to Food God, which is wild. Yeah. Michael wants to change his name to

hair god. No. You also have a the thickest main. Well, that I do have. That is natural. Stimulate a scalp daily. You're, no, whatever you're doing. Are you on like supplement? Are you on lemmy? Listen, I'm on a, I'm on a shit. Yes, it's all. If you want hair like this, let me do a plurphy. We'll get me here with this. This is a bloat one. Yeah. If you guys want hair like this, Lemmy, that's your answer. No, you have great. I've done two transplant surgeries. Really? Yeah. I'm a quarter of Japanese. You wouldn't know that looking at me. And I think I have that kind of like the Asian hair. I've got the luck.

Yeah, no, no, no, I'm so here for you. This is your glove today. We're done with it. I can't wait to hear about your hair transplants. If I would have gone that I was going to get this many compliments, we would have had you on a lot sooner. I know. Please. Yeah.

Oh, my God. I'm going to book the guest from now on. He's going to be like. And teeth. And your teeth are at 10. Well, the teeth are not as real. And like I said, I knocked them all out when I was a kid. But yeah, phenomenal dentist.

Okay. So you're an unpaid intern. You're on the couch. So I'm on the sofa. and it was really Jonathan. Like when I went in for my interview, it was Jonathan that took an interest in me. He was like, who is this?

Like, I was so enthusiastic. I was talking with my hands. I was, I just couldn't believe I was in New York City. I'd never been to New York. I've been New York once before. I was just enthralled by everything. There were camera crews in the office. So Jonathan was the one that really kind of took me under his wing.

When he just saw the talent or he saw the potential or what do you think? I think he saw the enthusiasm. Okay. Which is really, I mean, people always. He's like, what are the hacks to like making it? I'm like, just be really enthusiastic and passionate about what you do. And that's really all you need. Like, I didn't really know what my next day would look like.

I didn't really have the money to live in New York for longer than a month. Yet I wasn't getting paid, but I still, it's almost like I think of me at 39 now. And I'm so nervous about every decision I make and I overthink and I stay up at night. And I'm like, where was that? The 20-year-old Simon was like, move to New York, have no career paths, spend all this money on an education, go into something completely different. Like, you kind of lose it. But at the time, I just was, I didn't even think about it.

And at this point, are you single ready to mingle? Or are you dating? What's your love life like? I, okay, so love life is essentially non-existent. I went to a school where I was literally like the only openly gay person. I mean, maybe there were two or three other people, but it was a very, I wouldn't say conservative school. It was just, it just wasn't really the time where, there were tons of openly gay people on campus.

Looking back, though, now when you look back and you, like, maybe talk to people online, is that actually because people were suppressing their sexuality? Yes. Yes. It's not like you were the only gay person, just people were not open with it. Yeah, they were not open. So that was probably liberating, though, to be, like, one of the only people in a time when people were suppressing that.

Yeah. It was. It was. And then coming to New York, I felt like the first couple of years in New York, I had no time for anything other than career. I was just dead. And I also, being from Ottawa and not being around this, I was so deeply intimidated. I would kind of walk into these rooms and I'd be with Jonathan. And I could feel that people, and you guys may relate to this just like in seeing as your careers have grown, like people in certain circles only want to talk to you if they feel like there's

something to benefit. And so at the time when I was this unpaid intern, you know, there are people now who send me glowing emails, who want to have dinner, and who, 18 years ago, like, would say nice to meet you, but not look at me in the face, like, where you'd feel a little bit invisible. And I experienced that for the first five, six, seven years of living in New York when I didn't, when I didn't have this, like, rolodex of people in my life, and I was just the intern. You know, it's funny not to bring up the gender, but Caitlin Jenner came on the show and was talking about how when he, she, he, he, at the time Bruce was coming up, had met Bob Eiger.

But Bob Eiger was a bag handler at a hotel. And before he became Bob Eager of Disney. And he was like, you never know who's later going to have this rise to, you know, whatever they're going to rise to. It's just like, you never know. You never know. And like, so when we were talking about Melissa Wood before we started, Melissa and I met, Melissa was a cocktail waitress at Marquis when I met her in 2007.

And I was the intern with the clipboard. You know, like, that's why, like, these relationships that you have and you, like, people that you just love, you're so proud of them when they, when they pop and they follow their dreams because look what they get to do. When you look back, who are the celebrity epiphanies that you look back and you're like, this was such a moment for me? Well, I think the moments, like the moment that's like, obviously the most glaring would be meeting the girls, like meeting. I met Kim in 2007 through our friend, Bertie and Kevner. Gastineau at the time, and Kim wasn't on a TV show, and I remember her having a conversation about Ryan Sechrest and him kind of offering to do a show on E. And I remember my opinion was like, oh, maybe reality is like not really the luck. I remember thinking like, oh, God, reality, Anne and Nicole Smith had done a show. And it just felt like that wasn't the vibe.

I mean, thank God, no one listened to me. And Kim had a very, just even at her age then, she just knew instinctively like what what just to follow her gut and to do and so and same with same with Chloe I mean at the time Chloe was Nicole Richie's personal assistant and I was Jonathan's personal assistant we were all so young and we in the world and Instagram wasn't around then so it was just a different world at this point Brittany had her own TV show remember that TV show oh my god I was I was on it yeah yeah oh my god I didn't know that I didn't know that I mean And like in the background as a cameo, but Brittany and Lisa, I was very close with Brittany and Lisa, and they had a very successful TV show and they had two seasons.

And Brittany was the beginning of it. Like, she's the OG and she's also how I met the girls. So at what point do you decide that you want to do Spin Crowd? So this was something, I think for Jonathan, and if he was here, he would be nodding his head in agreement. like he always wanted to turn up the fame. He was like, I like, we had a marketing company where we connected brands with celebrities and did PR, but he always felt more comfortable being the star himself. I did not.

I was like, let's grow this business. Like, let's get the loot. Let's, I mean, this is at the time when like connecting brands with celebrities was still kind of a novel. I mean, there was traditional endorsements, but not in the way we think about influence now where people are just talking about products, holding products, speaking about what works for them. That's a recent kind of a 10-year phenomenon. But back then, it was traditional endorsements, like celebrity holding product, smiling. And so that was changing.

I want to know the behind the scenes of how it came to fruition. Yeah. Jonathan wanted to do a show. We felt like a lot of people were really fascinated with what we did at our company, connecting brands with celebrities. And so Kim came on and said, I'm fascinated. Let's do a show about this. So Kim was the executive producer of the show. show and co-creator of the show. She was already on E and her show was crushing it. You guys had all these like crossovers

because I remember seeing both on both shows. She was our lead-in. And this is at the time talk about a lead-in. And this is that our season was the season when Courtney literally pulled, I think it was Mason out of her. Like, do you remember that iconic TV moment

where she like literally just like pulled Mason out of her and they filmed it? I mean, the show was mega, mega, mega. So SpinCrowd was the show that was following it and showed kind of our office life in L.A. with Jonathan and I, and we did, it was eight episodes. And truthfully, like, I liked the experience. I'm glad we did it, but I wouldn't do it again. You wouldn't go on television again?

Not in that format, no. Why? I think when you film a show like that, it's you set yourself up to create scenarios that aren't always 100% authentic because a lot of the things that I do, I can't show on TV. Yeah, I think about like, I guess maybe what you're saying is like you have to kind of fabricate some things to make it more interesting because if you're just running the business, one, you can't show some of that stuff. And two, you know, if you're running a business that's maybe dysfunctional, like that

wouldn't be a sustainable business. So you're kind of like creating this scenario that. Yeah. Or you take on, it wasn't that the storylines were fake. They were all real. They were just with clients we would normally never work with. Yeah. Or doing things that we normally wouldn't do. And one thing I would say is like Jonathan's superpower, not my, I can't turn it up.

Like I'm only good at just kind of being me. You seem very business minded, though. Like you're happier being behind the scenes. 100%. I'm like a sensitive Sally. Like I was like in my DMs reading some comments and I'm like, oh, Traker. Like I rather just not do that at all. You have to have thick skin.

You have to have really thick skin. What's a crisis that has happened in, it could be like in 2007, whenever, whenever, that you helped put the fire out that's sort of public knowledge? I mean, I think there's so many. There's so many. There was a, I guess the crisis, there was a crisis when, so Jonathan Lizzie had this partnership, this company together. And two years into the partnership, she wanted to end the partnership. and I could have stayed with Lizzie or went with Jonathan and I made the decision to go with Jonathan.

I felt like instinctively there was just this connection I had with him and he was somewhat my mentor. Even though now he's like people who know him back then, he was really kind of this PR king in New York City. He's now known for food and whatever else he's doing. But at the time he really was like the guy in New York. Like he had built a very formidable career. in PR? Absolutely. What about a crisis that you guys have to put out as a PR agency? Like,

and you don't need to give specific names. I'm just wondering, what is your behind the scenes look like? Oh my God. It's so many group chats. Like, is someone like getting arrested for like drinking too much? What are the, what are the things that are thrown at you? I'm curious as from behind the scenes of it. So I'll give you a little context. So our company specifically connects brands with celebrities. So although I'm a publicist by trade, like that's how I started my career, we don't do that anymore. People often think like I represent the Kardashians or I represent talent. I actually don't represent anyone. But what I do is that if there is like a brand issue and a PR issue with a celebrity, like I'm there to fix it. So give us, it could be like.

And is that just relationships? Give us a random example. So the relationship is on the brand side. So brands hire me. Talent doesn't hire me. Like I don't know how talent publicists do it. I would, I would, job. I would. Like, is Corona hiring you when coronavirus happened? So like, like, I need more of like, so like I get confused with PR public. Yeah. Yeah. So for example, Pepsi would hire us and say we're looking to launch a Super Bowl campaign with, I don't know, Beyonce. This didn't happen, but I'm just telling you, this is an example. So I would then say, okay, Beyonce is great. This is what it's going to look like. This is what it's going to cost. This is how it's structured the deal. Here are three other great options. and then I would negotiate that deal and bring that deal to life.

Isn't that to me that sounds like a manager? No. But I'm on the brand side. So the manager's receiving the deal. So our agency command is talking to managers and agents all day long. Got it. So you're really like. So I would talk to you if I wanted to do.

If we wanted to work with a brand, but dear media would talk to you. Yeah. Exactly. Not the other way around. Or like I, you probably don't even know this, but I know that my company command has brought you yourself personally deals, endorsement deals that your agent has then passed on or accepted. Oh. Yeah. I didn't know that. Yeah. I love it. Yeah. Happens all the time. Oh my God. So you guys are kind of like silent. But on the brand side. We're on the brand side. So I guess the best way to say is we're

essentially talent brokers. Got it. Okay. But is that, this is my last question about it because I do get confused. Is that a publicist too or is that different than a publicist? It's completely different than a publicist. but I started my career in PR. So there's a lot of, even my parents are like, I don't know what he does. He represents people. I'm like, I told you I don't represent people, but fine. So why did you decide to leave being a publicist?

I was more interested. I thought that it was more lucrative, the, the brokering side of it. And I was already doing it. Like I was doing it in the PR sense, but I just wasn't getting compensated for it. Talent's pain in the ass.

Yeah. Talent. And I'm the one that. it comes with the money. So I'm like, I'm the one that's bringing the deals. So I don't care that you're not happy with the quote that was approved because like I'm on the brand. I'm on the brand side. I'm bringing the loot. So I need everyone just to get in line. So are you actually managing anything with the talent or do you just go to the talent's manager? Just manager. Which is why I didn't know command to broaden me anything. Yeah, exactly. Got it. Exactly.

I just had to clear that up. Yeah. I was talking about this last night about publicist, PR, brand managers, agencies. It is confusing. Well, it's also the Wild Wild West. Back in the day, there was like, it was very gate-kept. You know, no one really knew what was going on. Now, you're like, you know, the assistant can do a deal. Right. The assistant's like, I got a paid post for 10K who wants to take it.

You're like, oh, my God, like, it's just, it's not what it used to be. It's wild. It's wild. So let's go back to your, you do your show, and then you're also making appearances on the Kardashians. Yes. At this point was the Kardashians as powerful of a show as it is. now or was it kind of just coming up when your first appearance happens?

It was at the time when like lightning had struck. So it was, it was pan- it went from us doing small appearances, wherever to us closing down Soho when Dash opened. Like actual Dash.

Like you couldn't close down Soho. Like the actual neighborhood. Like there was thousands of people outside the store. Is that, I actually want to know from like a micro level. Is that overwhelming with all so many,

people? I mean, for them, I think absolutely. I think it was like completely overwhelming. And at the time, I don't know, I think there was probably like a small amount of security, but not how they're moving now. You know, no one was really prepared for how quick it happened. And how do you roll that back after? Yeah. I mean, it's like you're in it now. Yes. Yeah, you're in it. So when you decided to make an appearance on the show, are you nervous? I'm not nervous because I, it's not like you suddenly show up and you're your friend like it's not you're meeting them when they're not globally known and they're starting a show you're kind of there through all the different stages of it versus just being thrown on a show that's already a hit if that makes sense got it and also i think

what is seems to be like so great about you is you're you seem very confident and comfortable with who you are where you don't need to come on the show and like do a tap dance no i'm not good at the tap dance no but i think that's that's good it's they already are the like main characters and you're like good supporting character energy. Yes, or or just in the background or just chilling. Like I think people watch the show for the girls so everyone else just needs to be themselves. Some people, and Jonathan's great at this. Like he can turn up the energy. I am like, it's not my vibe. All right. We streamline every single thing in our life, including dog food. and the dry dog food that I like is by Sundays. Okay, first of all, this is 90% meat, 10%

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As the show starts to go on at what point do you launch your own businesses and then go into business as a partner of Lemmy? After, you know, 10 years. years of doing this, I'm like, okay, I kind of understand the secret sauce of how to make brands famous. And I understand like the Venn diagram of consumer brand, influencer celebrity, and sales. And I've made all of these huge brands very famous through really clever endorsements. I want to start doing this for brands that I have an equity piece in. So I start joining boards of companies and being an advisor. And then in 2000,

and 18, my co-founder and I of Judy started, it wasn't Judy at the time. We were thinking of 17 different brands, but we had friends and family, friends in California who had lost their home in wildfires. And this is when we met you? You met me in 2020, yeah. Was this right before the pandemic? The pandemic had not kicked in. I remember when that happened. I was like, I thought about Judy. And I was like, damn, what a smart business. Obviously not the greatest time, but like talk about an opportune moment, right? Like crazy. So we did our preparedness class at Raina's like in, November of 2019. We launched the brand Judy in January 2020.

Can I say something too? Please. That group of people was the most unprepared people. They needed Judy. They needed a few duties. No, we saved them. Rayna, I love you. But these, I remember sitting in that group with these people, I'm like, Lauren, if the flood happens, if lighting strikes, this group.

I'm one of these people, though, that's just like, you got it handled, right? Yeah. Yeah. Well, there was all these, there was all these phenomenal people. Tell me where to stand. Do we have Wi-Fi? No, do we have Wi-Fi? I remember looking around, I'm like, Lauren, if shit goes down, I don't think these people are going to save us.

100%. Right? 100%. I was like, they need Judy and they need a bunch of other people to come in and help them with the Judy. Well, that was the thing with Judy. Like when we started researching preparedness, 60% of American families are not prepared for an emergency. And I was like, that's me. I don't even know what- 60% of them were at that house.

No, they were all so clueless to all of it. But I think that was like why Judy was so appealing was like there was this like huge white space of people not really caring about emergency preparedness and then thinking, oh, but it's not going to happen to me. Like that kind of like emotional distance of this would never happen to me. So January 2020, we launched and then we start to get, there's like media reports in early February of coronavirus. But just like all media, you think, oh, like, is that actually real? It's not going to happen to me.

It's not going to happen. And then by middle of March, we have sold out of every single Judy in a matter of 48 hours Jenna Bush, who is a friend and a supporter, mentioned Judy so casually. She said with all this coronavirus stuff going on, I have my Judy that my friend Simon gave to me, and I'm so excited that I'm prepared. That aired, and we sold out of six months worth of stock. Well, I actually do have my Judy that my friend Simon gave me at Rena's house, too. And honestly, like, my thing is if something happens to Michael, I have, I at least have Judy.

Yeah. And it's chic. It's chic. It's cute. It's definitely organized. I also think if you're someone who lives alone and you don't know too much about emergency preparedness, it's a great thing to have no matter how big your house is. It doesn't take up like, like, okay, this motherfucker when we had a storm in Austin.

We were in that freeze. Remember in Texas? Yes. Yeah. It goes out and buys way too much shit that we're never going to use. I'm meanwhile, I'm like, I'm like, Judy, my being a minimalist. list. Like, don't want a bunch of clutter. It's so much more the move than buying a bunch of random crap. No, Simon, you'll get, I'm prepared now. I'm overly prepared. Thank you. Yeah.

No, you need to be. And we launched generators then like a year after that because power is a big, yeah, power is a big thing for a lot of people. Smart. That is so smart. So it's been, it's been kind of this crazy journey. And then my husband, Phil, he launched his startup. And I became kind of a formal advisor for that a year after Judy. So in 2021, he launched SNF, which is a, I think we've sent you some of the candles, but there are. Wait. Yeah. I didn't know that. That's something I did not know. Yeah. I love your candles. Oh, good. You have them. Okay. Good. You did the candle collab with half baked harvest. Yes. It smells so good. Isn't it in. Yeah, she's amazing and the candle's amazing. Pump. And that's that huge candle in our house. That's how you got up your sleeve over there. What's going

no, no, no. It's all smoke and mirrors. No, it's a lot. It's a lot. But once, like, the formula is the same for all of them. Like, create a great product and find really interesting people who actually like it. Create a great product for someone who's listening. Can you give like a couple more tips for creating? Because I feel like you're the brand whisper. Give us a couple tips. For me, my, I would say my whisper, like where my superpower lies is, is influencer and celebrity, like how to make it famous. I think anyone right now who has a startup who's living online, it's really hard to acquire customers. It's hard to break through the noise. There's hundreds of brands out there. So, finding really like the half-baked harvesting totally organic that was half-baked discovering the product

I think through Melissa Wood and loving it and then reaching out to Phil my husband and saying we should do something together. I love your candles. And none of this was paid. This was all just making sure your product gets in the hands of the right people because if it's a good product, people want to do things with you. And you know, you do so many amazing collabs. I love your product. I didn't realize that SNF was also you and your husbands. It's an amazing candle. Thank you. Can I ask this question? What are the points that you guys hit when you're making a candle? For instance, can I light it around my kids? Can I light it around the dog? I want to know more about that. Yeah. Fire safety is a big thing because the four-wit candles, which you guys have, they can be, you have to blow those out and there's candle maintenance. You have

to trim the wicks every time. Like, they should never get longer than, you know, it should be this. And you shouldn't light them for more than five hours. And most people do. So you, like, you have a dinner party and you light it. And four candle, four wicks burning, that's a fire hazard because that heats up the glass. And that's not just for sniff. That's for diptee. That's for every candle brand ever. Like you should never keep a candle like that lit for more than five hours. I did not know that. Yeah. It's a, it's a, it's a, it's a thing. No, we tell, we tell everyone. I'm like, I told Phil actually yesterday, I'm like, we have to lean in on that education so people know. Can you sleep with a fireplace on?

The Judy side of me says absolutely not. We just did that. You can sleep with a fireplace on. I don't know. I don't know. Fireplaces on for a long time. Yeah. I don't know.

The Judy side of me is like, why take the risk? Yeah. Yeah. You slept with a fireplace on at Santa Cedar Ranch the whole time. Oh, isn't that place? No. No, no, no.

That's beyond. Crackling fire. Yeah. I should, if I didn't get married at the hotel in L.A., I would have done there. You were married at the hotel Belair? Belair, yeah. I mean.

Yeah, it was so special. I mean. No, no, no. It was a wedding. I'm sure you had a crackling fire. Yeah, no, we had many. We had many. No, I became so crazy at my wedding.

I was the Bridezilla. Like, Phil didn't even know. Phil attended. I was like, this is your, this is your itinerary. Wait, tell me about how, first of all, tell me about who proposed, how you proposed, and then the wedding and how you were bridezilla. So I proposed to Phil. Phil and I had met on Tinder eight years ago. What did you like about him when you looked at his profile?

So I liked the fact that he was off the gay grid. What does that mean? So no one really knew him. You know, he worked in finance. He wasn't in the mix. He didn't know. He wasn't going to the Thursday party. He didn't know what that was.

And he had a lot of family photos like him and his sister. in his tent, which I love. Like, I love that. No desperate energy. No, most, I don't want to say most because I don't want to get in trouble. Love a guy in finance. Yeah, a lot of gay men, you know, have a lot of shirtless photos in their, like, they're not showing sweet, innocent photos of their siblings in their Tinder profile.

And Phil, Phil is just the sweetest, nicest. Like, I married my best friend. I truly, like, I lucked out. So part of the reason he married me, though, was to get to Montau. We have a beach house, little beach house in Montauk, and he is obsessed with Montauk. So I proposed to him in front of our beach house on the sand. It was actually January 2020, two weeks before I launched Judy. I had these massive rocks assembled on the beach that said, you better say yes.

And I, which is crazy. And I walked him down and he saw the rocks and he's like, someone's done an art exhibit. And I'm like, read it. And he's like, I don't know what it says. And I'm like, well, keep reading it. it says you and he said you and I'm like is there what's going on here right now and my friends were like hiding in the bushes with a video camera and then so I know now why people get on like bended knee so I got unbended knee and then that's the indication of like yeah it's the trigger

yeah and then how are you bridesilla because I started off by being like the wedding the wedding's gonna be small and then a week later I had my first call with Mindy Weiss I was like the wet and then Mindy's like, we don't need to do anything crazy. And I was like, no, no, no, we are leaning in. Like, my whole vibe for wedding was I wanted, like, residential. I said, I want to feel like you're in, like, this cozy, rich living room. I don't want wedding vibes at all. I don't want any crazy flowers over the top orchids. I wanted to feel like you're in someone's home. So I just, like, went crazy with the theme. Like, I, we did like, I mean, we went so overboard. We did, like, individual portraits of each guest.

So on their menu, it had like kind of a 1950s sketch of their face. And then we took those sketches and put it almost like picture frames across the whole wedding reception. So you felt like you were in someone's home. No, no, no. And Phil didn't know any. I didn't tell him anything. He didn't, he had no idea.

He was like, who's wedding is this? How did you decide to have Melissa would be the person who married you? I mean, what a beautiful person to marry you. I can't think of anyone more beautiful inside and out. No, I know. How did you decide? So Melissa and I have been so close for so many years. And Mindy had said to us, you should have someone married, since you're not religious,

you should have someone marry you that's really close, but it's also strong enough to carry kind of the first 10 minutes of this thing. I mean, this is like you really have to bring people together. And I thought, well, I don't really want to hire someone. Like, you know, like, who am I going to use? We're not religious. You didn't want to have Chris Jenner. No.

You know, honestly, not no. Like, Chris would have killed it. Chris would have... Melissa crushed it. Yeah. Chris Jenner could have been the ring barrier. Totally. Yeah, no, she was like front row and center.

But I knew, and I knew it was also a big ask. Like asking someone to do that at a wedding. It's a lot of stress. And so she was our number. It was really Melissa or hire someone. Like, there really was no backup option. So we called her. We FaceTimed her.

and I asked, I don't know why I thought she would just say, not yes, but I thought she'd be like, oh, sure, like, just to get it out of it. And she was like, let me think about it. And I was like, so we hung up the face time. And I'm like, shit, Phil. Like, that wasn't an automatic yes. Like, well, it was just a big ask. I just had to marry someone the other day. Oh, you don't. We can't go down this road. No, you must have killed it. Do you think so, too? Yeah. Listen, I'm going to. Do you want to see the video? Yeah, course I do. Honestly, I want to be humble here. I really fucking killed it. You did. I killed it. So she did. I kill it. Anyways, but it's a big ask, and I was, it's more nervous than I've been about any other thing because it's like, I don't want to, you don't want to fuck up the person's beautiful day, you know? So it's a big ask. It's a huge ask. So Melissa, because she's just a goddess, she took it very seriously.

So she scheduled multiple appointments with us where she would, she wanted to understand our love story from, she knew, but she wanted to know details, dates, times, moments that were really special. She interviewed us. Then she spent time with, like, a media coach. where she took her story and she wanted to tighten it. Like that's the thing with Melissa. Like she's so all. She's just a pro. It's like people think successful people just like show up.

It's like no, no, no. They prepare. And like she just took. They have emergency kits. They have duties. They're duties. So she, I mean, I knew going in it was going to be incredible. When I tell you it ended up being Melissa's wedding, there was like a lineup of people after the ceremony of people being like,

nice to meet you. I wanted, what you said was beautiful. You were the highlight of this. Like, she crushed it. There was not a dry eye. I was weeping. I was uncontrollably crying the entire time she was speaking. She also started off with a flow, like where she asked everyone to close their eyes and take in a deep breath, which is if you follow Melissa Wood, it's kind of part of her practice.

But it was like this beautiful moment that brought the 200 people sitting outside together. Like imagine like everyone closing your eyes. We also had a wedding that was at night. So it was like thousands of candles in a spotlight on Melissa. And she also wore a dress. I told every woman who came, actually I told everyone, but I'm like, this is not the time to go subtle. Like this is grandma's diamonds. This is huge.

This is the long dress. This is a train. This is white, if it's appropriate. I want white. Like I told all of the ladies to show up for the wedding. I wanted it. I wanted it to be a fun gay wedding. I mean, it sounds amazing.

It was so fun. It sounds perfect. Yeah. How is married life best? It's the exact same. Isn't that weird? It's the exact same. Yeah.

Yeah. It's the exact same. You just feel more in it together, right? You feel more in it and I have to say I fall more in love with us like every day. Oh. Like I love that I have this partner that I'm building this life with. Like we have shared values. We have kind of a shared future of what we want, our future.

future look like. So I feel so lucky. Like it's what I feel most blessed. It seems like you can relate with Michael and I because we are in business together. And when you're also in business with your significant other, it's a whole different layer. It feels like you're building something. It feels like you're building a life together. Right. It's like when you're just doing stuff on your own, you kind of just feel like you're getting by. Yeah. I'm doing this, paying the bills. That's fun. You're building a career. It feels like you're pushing the same tumbleweed up the same hill and the tumbleweeds just gaining momentum together as opposed to like two tumbleweets. Yes.

Yeah. And you also kind of get the stresses and the insecurities. Yeah. Because it's also when you have businesses, people don't know what's going on behind closed doors. And so when people congratulate me, even you guys have been so kind, like, I'm like, oh, if you only knew. It's a lot of work. It's a lot of work. And also, like, the behind the scenes of the drama of all of it, right?

Like it's, it's, sometimes I don't feel like the congratulations are, you know, congrats on. I'm like, oh my God, don't congratulate me on that. It's a nightmare. But you seem like you're very type A with how you approach your businesses. You really care. You're all about building brand. It's not just like a money grab. Yeah.

Or you're just slapping a white label on something. Yeah. You can tell that there's been a lot of time and thought and purpose into it. Yeah. I would say too, like when I think of young people, I was sitting with two girlfriends and they had their younger sisters there and they were talking about their kind of career after college and they were they were so focused on the salary the salary this is what my and like i never followed the money like i think the number one hack is don't follow the money follow the passion

publicists like don't make a ton of money like i didn't go into PR thinking that i was ever going to be like writ like that was certainly not the vibe the vibe was like follow what you're obsessed with what keeps you up at night what like drives that crazy feeling in your stomach not the money because don't you feel, I mean, you've had obviously success, but don't you feel the money is not a big enough reason to keep you there when shit gets hard? It's like, yeah. If it's just about the money and stuff gets hard, which inevitably will. Like everything we do is hard, honestly. And if it was just about the money, I'd be like, okay, I'm going to go do something else. Yeah. Right? Because there's other ways to make money. Yeah. Oh my God. There's so many easier ways to make money than starting businesses and

you know, just like the money. I couldn't agree more. The money is. It's a tool and it's a resource, obviously, but I feel like if that's your only driving force to do something, you're going to give up as soon as stuff gets hard. And again, if you're competing with someone who loves what they do and would do it for free, you don't stand a chance, right? Like, I actually just a post about this day. I would be sitting here talking to you for free every day. Like I like talking interesting people. Like I like, I won't shut the fuck up. Right. So if I have that mentality and then somebody else comes in the same space, like, hey, I need to get paid all this money to do this. And I'm like, I'll just do it for free. Like it's, you have staying power and you have a reason be. just like this, you know, finite resource that is kind of fleeting in a lot of ways. Okay, do you know what I take so seriously? My holiday table setups.

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But I think it's a mistake. Young people make in their careers, not just anybody makes in their careers. Like, the first and only question is, where's the money? Where's the money? Yeah. No, Simon said a nugget that I think is so important. You have to build great product and great brand. Yeah.

And like I always tell people, it's interesting that you say that about money. If you're going in with the intention of just making money, people can smell it. Yeah. It's off pudding. And if you go in with the intention of building a great brand that people love, that's beautiful, that actually works. Right. People can feel it. They can feel it.

They can feel it. They can feel when it's white labeled and slapped on and there's no thought behind it. And it's just a money grab. And there's no longevity in that. Yeah. Which brings me to lemmy. Hello, Levy. Hello, Lemmy.

Okay. So, first of all, how does this idea even start? Is this a conversation where you guys are out for drinks and you think this will be fun? Or was this something that was more strategic where you guys, she comes to you and says, let's do this. So this is something Courtney has been, when I first met Courtney, she was the girl carrying around a Ziploc bag with 30 supplements in it. And this is 20 years ago. When there wasn't, you know, five aisles. of supplements a target.

This is before the supplement, like, revolution. And she was obsessed with health and wellness. So on every group chat, she was the one telling you, try this, try this, try this. She's the person that's always, I mean, I can't. We're taking a focus. Oh, it's the best. It's actually really fucking good. Aren't they delicious?

Taylor's focused on his penis. Uh-huh. Oh, you're picking nuts on your penis. Okay. The taste? Yeah, it's so good. This has been a brand that she's wanted to start. for 20 years. Courtney, and if you watch the show, you know she doesn't do anything that's not

authentic. So for her, the timing had to be right. And the timing over the last three years has been great for her. She's obviously in this incredible relationship. So the timing was all, like, it really was kind of just this perfect Venn diagram of her wanting to launch this, having many opportunities to launch it, wanting to work with someone who she trusted. You know, Courtney and I have been friends for 20 years. We're so close. I kind of know all the things that she really cares about. And this is her baby. I mean, every logo, every, every texture, every ingredient, the challenge with gummy vitamins is there are hundreds of gummy vitamins out there that have bad for you ingredients in them. They have glucose. They have gelatin. They're not clean. So we needed to make a super

clean gummy that was non-GMO, free of artificial flavor, sweeteners, all of it. But also tastes delicious. Why did it have to be gummy? We're definitely. going to be launching capsules. So like they're coming. The gummies are the fastest growing format. And for a lot of people out there who are beginning their wellness journey, gummies the beginning. It's where they start. Sure. They start in gummies. It is essentially like getting a kid hooked that you start with like a Flintstone vitamin or something just to get the idea of taking a vitamin. So it makes sense. And a lot of gummy vitamins don't use clinically studied ingredients. So in all of all of the lemmys, there's clinical benefits. So in our

de-blote, like we have a probiotic and a prebiotic, that thing works. Within an hour, you're feeling incredible. And there's a significant reduction in bloating. I mean, all of them have, Courtney's favorite is the focus you just had that we just had. I have to say, you sent me some of the sleep ones. I love it. I love it. I take it every single night. But I just tried the focus and it tastes, the taste is really good. You know how gummies can be like. I can get the whole bottle. Yeah, it is good. It's really good. I should be the most focused person. How many can you eat?

Okay, so it's a dosage of two, but Phil and I go wild. Like we, I know, I shouldn't say that. Yeah, I'm microdosing. I can have one more and not be. Yeah, you can treat yourself. The focus is two, deep load is two, and then the macha is like just crazy town. I'm trying the macha. I'm so proud of Courtney because this has been a business that she has just poured her heart and soul into.

The timing is perfect. So how are you involved on a day? to day basis in this. Like, what do you do? If someone's out there, they're listening and they want to do what Simon does. What is it that you would say you do in this business? So operationally, I'm a partner in this business. So everything from like our brand shoots to kind of mapping out what Courtney's like kind of content calendar is going to look like. And then collaborating with her on all creative. So she is our creative director. She's our chief of product. I mean, she all of these products all come from Courtney's idea. So focus is the one that she wanted to launch first. Macha is something that she's so

passionate about for many years. And then de-bloat, de-blood is something that actually came really from push feedback. Like years and years of customers and people in her community saying, I'm bloated all the time and I hate taking bloat capsules. Like I can't take capsules, like period. They just make, they do not sit well with my stomach. So for me, and I'm always bloated, I'm a puffer fish. I'm literally a puffer fish. So this is a savior for me. Okay, here's the move. Tell me. I'm eating a focus. There's a mouthfuls of lemies. It's so good. The focus is like real. No, no, no. It's insane. Okay. So this is the move. Take your deep bloat and then you need to put your sheet mask on, but then ice roll over your cold sheet mask that's been kept in the fridge

while you're taking your lemmy deepboat. You need an ice roller to de bloat if you're a puffer. I need I don't really see you're a pufferfish, though. Are you bloated all the time? I'm a real puffer fish. Are you bloated all the time? My face is bloated. Oh, no, I'm just bloated. I feel like I can't eat anything.

Then you don't have that issue. You gotta have a great ice roller, a great facial massage, a lymphatic drainage on the stomach, and a lemmy de-blote. Congrats on this, by the way. It's just absolutely everywhere. I mean, I don't understand how, like, how we need to do like a de-blote collab, I feel like. I saw this, by the way, in Alex Earle's Instagram story. I know everyone's message. getting messages from like second grade. She needs to come on the on the pod. Alex Earl. Now,

are you listening? Alex Earl. She's the new diamond of TikTok. I can tell. Everyone is talking about. That's what you showed me yesterday when it was like in the yeah. I literally have people from second grade DMing me being like oh my God and everyone loves her. No, she's having adorable. Adorable. Yeah, adorable. So relatable. And she's having this incredible moment. What of course scares me is when anyone has these moments. I'm like, girl, be prepared because you know what the community does. You know what they're You know what they're going to do. Just be careful. You know. What is the pattern of what people do in human nature? Well, unfortunately, we like to build up and then we find the tweet from 1998, you know, that. I mean, you've seen it all. Yeah. Yeah, I've seen it all. And it can be, it's really, really overwhelming.

This is like a perfect segue to ask you if someone is blowing up like that and they're getting astronauts syndrome and they're on the moon. What is your advice putting your publicist hat on? Like, do you need to go back and delete your Facebook? Like, what is the moon? And also not just your publicist, but like being close to many people that's happened to. Yeah, what do you do? So I think you have to be prepared to weather some storms. Okay, what's the Judy playbook for social media? You need to really think long and hard about every single piece of content that you're posting. And if you, and it's annoying, but you should be sending your content to another person.

If you're posting something and there's, if there's something that you're like, I'm not sure. Send it. Send it to three people and see what the filter is. on it. See what the reaction is because now in this world we're living in, it can really, it can affect your brand and you can lose huge opportunity over an innocent mistake. Yeah. And not even, not just that. I mean, maybe years from now. Yeah. Simon, you're amazing. Can we do a lemmy sniff Judy giveaway? Yeah, done. Okay. Yeah, obviously. Do we have a code for

anything too? I didn't ask you this offer. I don't have a code. Do we need a code? Can we do a code? Yeah, I mean, Code Skinny? Code Skinny, done. For all three? Yeah. No way. Why can't we? Okay, this is the move, you guys. Go, if you are giving us a code, what's the percentage off? What's what do you think is a fair percentage? 20%, 15%, it's up to you. 20, absolutely. Wow, generous. Okay, so I would go use code skinny. Kind of put them on the spot there. You can't go. I know, I did put them on the spot. You could, oh my God, no, are you kidding? I mean, I'm honored. Okay, let's do a code skinny for the focus, or for all of them. All of them. Okay, for all of them. I would get the focus to start just because I'm obsessed with it.

But I do like the sleep one a lot too. It's good. Did you see the campaign with Chloe as Sleeping Beauty? Yes, I did see that with blonde hair. Adorable. It was that you? Yeah, it was Courtney, but yes, yes. Ah.

Yeah, it's so good. Okay, and then let's also do a code for sniff candles. I personally have the half-baked harvest candle. It's huge. It's amazing and it smells so good. It's not overpowering. Totally recommend that. Don't forget to cut your wicks and blow it out every five hours.

Yes. I'm great at blowing, so I'll just make sure. to practice that. And then let's also do a code for Judy. Everyone needs Judy. Everyone needs Judy. Yeah. New Year and New You. Yeah.

I just think if you have an opportunity to be prepared that's seamless and easy like this, it's a no-brainer. Why wouldn't you? Can I ask one question just for my own curiosity? Is there only one kit of Judy or is there like different tiers? There is right now we had two kits. We now streamlined into one backpack. Okay.

And basically, Julie is basically everything you're going to need. in a natural disaster when something goes wrong, power goes out. It has over 60 different items that are hyper-organized into a preparedness kit for you. You know what I love about you? Just got to say, you reinvent categories really well. Thank you. Really well. Thank you.

You take something that's maybe a little crusty. Chalky vitamin. You know what I mean? Like an ugly emergency kit, maybe like a candle. It's a little meh. And you just like reinventing. Thank you. I mean, it's a very, it's a craft. I love you. Thank you. Use code skinny on what are the, what are the websites and the Instagrams? LemmyLiv.com. Okay. And at Lemmy and sniff is sniff.

Okay. No, sniff.co. Oh my God, don't kill me, Phil. Judy is judy dot dot CO. We're going to link it all out. Okay, good. Can we do like a big giveaway with everything? Yeah, of course. Okay, you guys, all you have to do is go follow all three brands on Instagram and tell me your favorite takeaway from this episode with Simon on my latest post at Lauren Bostic. Simon, I have been wanting you to come on the podcast for so long and you honestly are so easy to podcast. You can come back anytime. I love you. We could take it a lot of different directions. We could talk about Michael's hair. Natural on the mic, Simon. Before you go. Thank you. Did you really get two hair transplants? You have to tell the audio. I got two. Yeah. I did the extraction where they pull it from the back and they planted it in the front.

Does it hurt? No. No. No. Sounded painful. No. It doesn't hurt. No, it's annoying. I mean, life is so hard. Oh my God. I just got ear skull. We'll talk. I mean, it's... I would die for your hair, just so you know. Oh. Like, you have the thickest... How old are you?

I'm 36. Wait, hold on. I'm 87, 36. Wow. I'll be 36. It's so thick. I know I hear about it every day. It's really nice.

Thank you. He knows. He knows. Yeah. It's got a great hairline. You should get a hair like endorsement. We... You know what, Simon?

Here we go. Yeah. I think I just found the guy... Yeah. Yeah. When you guys do a hair guy me. You know what? I'm not joking.

I've been talking about. these people had Redkin. Okay. They're marketing directors of sleep at the switch. I'm telling you, I've been using this rough pace for them for years.

I'm just giving a free plug, but it's true. And I'm like, what is this marketing director doing? Do you tell them? No, I mean, I haven't told them,

but I just feel like how do they not sought me out? I mean, no, no, with the main, like, I thought maybe you had transplant surgery, to be honest.

No. I thought you had the cut because it's such a airline. No. No. And by the way, if he did, I would like out and tell the doctor.

No, I know you would. I know you would. Most people at L'Oreal are regular, they didn't have a whole board meeting about this. Wait, can I just ask what the second transplant, does they do the same thing? Yes. Now, I can't do another one because there's no more hair to pull, but yes, they did another one. Did you like it? I did.

I mean, I just wish there were more. I would transplant as much as I could. Can you use pubic hair or eyebrows? No, you have to use your actual hair because it's like the texture needs to be the exact same. But why can't you just use some of Michaels? What about like supplementation? It doesn't work. Isn't there certain supplementation you can do?

Yeah, you can, but it's not what I need. It's not as effective. Yeah. Do you want to know one of the best things for growing hair and for not going bald, inversion therapy? Oh, what is that? I'm really talking about this a lot. Okay. Who did that again?

It's for, it's basically like laying at a 30 degree angle. Okay. Okay. So whenever you're meditating or like laying and relaxing, you put your feet up, but then try to put your head back so it stretches the tech neck while also giving circulation to the hair. So what's happening is we're standing up. like this and all the circulation's draining, so there's no circulation in the head. But if you do 30 minutes of inversion therapy every day, you're getting the blood flow going.

You just lay inside your house like a bat. You just lay like, yeah. Everyone needs to be stretching their neck too. I'm noticing like with me too. Like my friend told me to kiss this guy. Technic. Can we get a lemmy for Technic? Oh my God, Hunter. We were going to do a blue light gummy and then we decided not to, but what do you guys think? I mean, I think I love. What's a blue light to reduce like inflammation of the eyes from like staring it. That's a real thing. Yeah. I think,

I think that we are going to have the pandemic of the eyes moving forward. We were not meant to evolve like this with these phones and these computers. I can't stand it. Oh. Yeah. You know what I do know? Because you know why we're staring close all the time. Our eyes weren't meant to stare.

We had this guy on Robert Slovak. He's amazing and he's very, very, very smart. One of the smartest people I've ever met. And he told us about EMF and all that. But he told me, he's like, you do not put your phone on. airplane mode at night. You do not put it away from your bed. You turn it off. He said turn it off. Turn off your computer. Turn off your iPad. It is so bad. You're sleeping all night next to all of that. And for me, like my phone and I know you're the same way, it's like business. It's not a personal

device for me. No. You guys should do it. You should do an eye supplement with, I think it was like routine. Loutine. It was going to be a luteen. You should call it, let me see. Yeah. Well, we just launched Lemme Cmos today, which is called let me see, but spelled C. Okay, then you can't launch let me see. that's too close. But let me see-mos. Wait, hold on. You have to tell us about that. Yeah, it's a tincture.

Because, you know, are you a seymoc person? My Lauren Bostic pink drink had seamoss in it. Oh, my God. Of course it did. So this is a tincture. No, obviously it did. No, this is a tincture. And we added biotin and D3.

And it's amazing. That's genius. It tastes like honey. And it's a little tincture. No, because the gel is, it's clear. Cute. No, you're getting, you're literally getting the bottle when you get home. Oh, my God.

You should do the eye supplement, though. I think it would be good. You do? Yeah. We weren't sure if it was a big enough. Well, let's talk about it more. I feel like it should be a big thing because I feel like everyone wants to have good vision. Yeah.

And we're just destroying our eyes. And there's not a lot of people that are really talking about it. Everyone is destroying. Yeah. Their neck and their eyes. It's like this is our number one. This is the one we can't get sold out again last week. I mean.

The de bloat. I get it. We're all bloated. Not Michael. Michael's not bloated. Don't even get me started. You don't have any bloating issues? No bloat.

No bloat. I get a lot of compliments on this. No. No, no, no, no. Yeah, we, the LGBT community is here for you. We appreciate your body. We appreciate your hair and your teeth. I always says that. Listen, she's honestly a pain in the ass, so you never know. Honestly, I could use a break.

All right, Simon, where can everyone find you, pimp yourself out where can they follow you and your husband and see your amazing living room wedding? They can follow us on Instagram at Simon Huck and Phil is Pipp the Rep. Phil, you can come on and tell the real story about the wedding if you want. Oh, my God. Thank you for coming on. Come back. Thank you. Thank you so much fun, guys. Wait, guys, don't go. Make sure you enter this giveaway with me and Simon. All you have to do is follow the brands and comment your favorite part of this episode with Simon on my latest post at Lauren Bostic.

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