The Bossticks - Sonya Dakar, The Skin Jedi On Youthful Skin, Celebrity Beauty Secrets, Triumphs, & Glassy Complexion

Episode Date: August 21, 2020

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Welcome to the skinny confidential, him and her. Aha. You kind of give you more ambitious to think like the sky's the limit for me. I can do anything. You don't think like my kids, I want to build their career. No, you don't think this way. You think it about your career have to be like endless. You can reach the sky.

You can do anything you want. Hello, hello, hello. Welcome back to the skinny confidential him and her podcast. You have me, Lauren Everett, the creator of the skinny confidential. My husband is God knows where. I don't know where he is. But that's okay because I am going to introduce you to the skin queen. She is a chemist.

She is an entrepreneur. She's a real estate mogul. And she's built a massive empire, Sonia Dakar. She works on my skin. She's helped me so much with my pigmentation. We've done microneedling. We've done eye cupping. We've done scoping.

We've done facial massage. We've done light therapy. We've kind of done it all. And my pigmentation is really, really going down. On this episode, we go everywhere. We talk about her journey with her skin care, her childhood. We talk about hyperpigmentation, rosacea. Like I said, eye scooping.

It's fun. I think you're going to love this episode. So with that, let's welcome Sonia Dakar to the show. This is the skinny confidential, him and her. I just told you I had a pimple. I text you at a pimple and you said that I'm turning into a diva because you've helped my skin so much. I said, I have a pimple. And she's like, whoa, diva because she like helped my skin so much with the pigmentation.

I wanted to have you on this podcast because I and I told Mimi your daughter this early. want to tell your entire story, starting when you were a little girl, and have people get to know Sonia, because they see you on Instagram. We're going to talk about skin. Everyone wants to know about skin. But I do want to, like, set the foundation of your story. So first start and just tell the audience where you grew up, how many brothers and sisters you had, your family life. I, you know, born Israel, and I definitely was one of the four. With the third child, I always like remember myself. I was like, hey, student. Did I allow to brag about myself a little bit?

Oh, yeah. Bragg away. It's all I do on here. So, yeah, I was like, go get it. And my father always said, you're the boy. But, you know, like, we wish to wear, like, dresses and skirt, you know. But, like, you wear the pants. And I thought, like, wow, my father said, like, I'm like a boy.

This is me a compliment. but I translated very, very quick. It means like boys are go get it, no shy, like more aggressive, more in a front line. And I took it like a compliment. And that's kind of like registered in my head. So, but fortunately when I was seven and a half years old, my father passed away. And honestly, yeah. And you know what?

My mother is like, I would look at her. Like I tried to look at her like a parent, like a mother figure. she was very amazing person. She was great for the children, but she was not even a provider because she never, my father never let her do anything. He just was like very successful. And my mother was like at a time.

Mother was like protecting the kids and like everything and her husband and take care of like the household. So suddenly my mom didn't know even to do this. She lost her business with my father was and everything else. So I thought like, okay, so. how can I do now? I want to even buy clothes, you know, and I want to be like, you know, buy books. And I want to do like a lot of things, which is my wealthy friend doing.

So, and my mother was like lost. And I know this is like opportunity to have this for my mom, like provider. It's going to be, is no chance. She's only going to have like, you know, the food and a table. So a few things I decide, which is not. when I'm looking at this, I'm like, oh my God, that's kind of crazy. I decide, A, how I build my image. So I thought about, I have to be in society like this and blend with them and be one of them and maybe be better from them. So I choose my friend. I was seven and a half years old,

or less than eight. I chose my friend to be like super smart, super A student in my level. The parents very educated, like scholar, and very successful financially. And I thought that's going to be my background in the future and I would do better, seven and a half years old. Wow. So to do, to continue with these, I thought, okay, the great image, I'm between them, but I want to buy clothes, just like them, you know, the brand new, beautiful fashion shoes, a brand new these. I want to look one of them also physical. So I start like teaching kids read math you know it's like babysit if I can like in this age I was a thought like I'm mature enough I guess like because I was go get a child I kind of felt like I can put my head in everywhere and I start making a lot of money less than age

of eight like literally but we're doing doing what was what were you doing to make the money Teaching, a student, and then a babysit the same time. Teaching, black art, math, reading, writing, and babysitting. I took everything I can. With no time, I not just, I could have bought. My first pair of shoes I bought in my own money until then, nobody helped me out. I was so independent. Never used another money from black, parent, brother, uncle, or anything like this.

So that was like my foundation. You can get it, girl, just if you want it. At eight years old. Eight years old. And that's, by the way, that's helped me out with my kids. I never told them, oh, don't touch this. Or you cannot do these. Or you cannot go your trip.

You know, it's like all of these I never said to my kids, I said, do it. And if they, if they've touched something and it's something is like physical, it's not comfortable, they're never going to do it again. I let them the freedom to choose and to find out with luck, of course, I'm in a back. If they fall down, I will catch them a little bit, not harm them. But that's how my kids know they, independent of early age because of my experience. For example, even, like my son, age of like 13, I let him go to border private school in Colorado. and then my mother's thought, I'm criminal, how I can do it. Don't you love your son?

I said, I love my son. That's why I send him. He wants to go. I let him go. But mom, I told her, I teach him what is like the difference between negative and positive, how to choose his friend, how to choose his luck, you know, the teacher if something wrong, you know, to tell me or to share with me or something wrong with him physical. He should share with me.

I teach him from age one, all the staff. And I think 13 is about like age. He really mature a lot more on his age, but he still have the fun like a child. And that's how I did to my kids. You know, age of 16, he tore all of Europe with backpack for six weeks. And we didn't have a cell phone at the time. So we did like a tour between his and his kids, you know, he and his friend to call once a week, you know, every parents were going to give message to each other.

His father thought like I'm a crazy mom, you know, and I gave him several thousand dollars. And age of 16, go sweetheart, span it. You want to sleep, you know, and the train station or anything. Or you want to have hotel or motel or whatever. That's the money. You survive. You're free. If you have any trouble, call me.

That's how I did because of my experience. Move on after this, I basically find out, you know, in age of like 80s old, I was very attracted to beauty. You know, it's not even like. funny, I was like love beautiful flower, beautiful furniture, a beautiful home, architectural, and beautiful people. So I, my mom used to send me to a grocery shop. It was like a boutique, grocery shop.

We don't have them so much anymore. Maybe in Hampton and stuff like, like a village is beautiful. Yeah, but, you know, it's, so I used to go to the grocery shop, you know, and buy her like the bread and milk and whatever, you know, need. a morning thing. And we have like the owner of the grocery shop. She was like a woman like Merlin Detrick, you know, like I don't know if you know, but she was a symbolity of that. She was a dancer, like Khan Khan, but very huge famous. And she was German. And her hair was a platinum curry. And her skin was like, I was a glassy. Today I call it glassy, marble glassy. And I used to look at

her all the time in curiosity. What this woman do? So she's so radiant. I'm like 80s old and I look at this. Her skin is radiant. She didn't have one stitch of makeup, but she has red lipstick. That's the old thing she had. And one time I kind of cut her and I said, can I ask you something? You know, after like I purchased the girl. And I asked her like, what about her skin? What did she do for skin, she looked like so amazing. Don't forget, that you thought I never had acne. I never had acne in general, but that's not why I went to this business. But it's like just that fascinating me. She was so distinguished looking. And she said, I don't put any products. I only wash my face with oil and I put oil. That basically like somebody kind of put information on the computer

and you like it. He said, when I need this information, I will take it. I didn't. I didn't. know what I'm going to do this information. I just was fascinated. Oil can do such an amazing thing. And that's why it's like later on years later on, when I thought like, okay, I'm going to be, because I'm an artist too. I like, I painted everything. Oh, I'd be like maybe an artist or I'd be this, I'd be those. But when back, it's like the message, like the computer thing in my head, oil, gorgeous skin, oil, gorgeous skin. And that's why, like in certain age, I decide I want to be and this business and to study, but much deeper to be a chemist. Quick break to tell you about your new favorite cereal Magic Spoon.

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So there's a two-pronged approach here. Yes. So you went to school and you became a chemist. Yes. And then how did you take the chemistry degree and apply it to skin? Okay. So all my life I thought, okay, so what should I do with this, you know, the beauty thing and everything? So I decide to do, to have luck, to go to something with.

have a create maybe medication. Thank you so much. Medication for people at the time was there now. Like at the time, it's like something like never changed since the Bible. You know, since the Bible they said like if God, you know, didn't like, you know, a certain thing and it makes like lapasity, you know, like the boil, you know, on the face. So at a time I thought about my friend at age of like 14, 15, teenage or hormonal. And then a lot of them, there was like, became like oozing infections, cystic acne. At a time, also they call it pizza phase, unfortunately, you know, and people, and this age you feel so uncomfortable with your life. So when I grew up and I said, okay, after high school, I'm going to go to college. What are going to do? So I thought, like,

I'm going to have like medication for this situation for acne, to cure acne. So when I graduate from it, you know, all of it, and I said, wait a minute, I really don't. feel like I want to put medication because all the medication was like the alternative and holistic and everything was like the approach was always exists but was very like almost secluded for like small a group of people like really kind of like the super smart people in a way like alert that doesn't want to have this it doesn't want to have this gluten free was all since the Bible was it just like discovered later on so I thought like I cannot I cannot like have chemical because I I believe in everything was organic and natural and everything else.

So why should I create a chemical and basically and kill the antibody of your system? It's like the immune system. I decide after a graduate, I cannot do it. So I thought to convert it to something which is I can help basically from young age up to endless. I can help like all kind of variety of like background and culture and skin complexion, men and women, younger and an adult. So I decided to go to have alternative. So that's what I took another two years of study.

So that's the whole concept became, is skincare. And again, your question will be, how did you get the skincare? So again, so what I decided to be like a chemist, I said, okay, how should I do? create products, I need to see a real life like model. I see the obstacle here, the need here, and then I'm going to think about what kind of formulation I'm going to start having what to do. So I thought they're going to have Life Laboratory. I call it Life Laboratory. My customer is Life Laboratory. Not like I damage them, but I learn from the need. I learn from the skin. I learn from the body, from health, what's kind of called.

You were a practitioner of it too. So you weren't just prescribing you in the chemist lab. You were also being a practitioner and working on the people. So I decide 100% learned. That's exactly. I decide I have to be licensed esthetician, medical esthetician. So all of it I learned in Europe and I converted to here and all of this thing. So when I became like a statistician and I thought I'm going to make temporary thing

just to look at the skin, to do a little bit to do a little bit to make. and create more product to the need. But I fell in love with these professionals, not less from to be a chemist. It's basically like you're in love with two identity, but you can merge them together. It's almost like you feel you have one child, Zaza, God bless her, the most beautiful girl.

But when you're going to have like another son or daughter, you're going to leave them the same. You say, how can I love second child the same thing like the first one? Yes, you do when you have them. My business was, how can I love to create the products or to be a statistician? I fell in love with both because it's one lead to each other. Okay. So simultaneously, are you married having kids?

Let's talk about that area of your life because I know you went into business with your husband and you have four kids, right? Yes. So talk about how you're building this sort of empire as you're also, you know, being a mom, being a wife at home. So I got married when I was young, continuously. school when I was like definitely young female and then young mom. So really I finished my school when like my third child. When did you have your first child? When I'm so embarrassed to tell,

but this is the truth. When I have a first child 19 in a few months. Okay. Very young. No, that's young. I don't think that's embarrassing though. Yeah. I just think it's like I just when I'm trying to get contact because when I was 19, I could barely, you know, take care of myself. When I was 19, I was naked on the bar. And you know what? And that's awesome. I don't feel like I missed it, honestly. You know, if I have to go all over again, probably I will do the same thing. One thing probably, it's like in my back in my mind I will do, which is I wanted to do it because I was married with kids already.

I wanted to go to Tuscany and have like a year, study more art, painting with probably with master, Italian master. You know, that's the only thing. but I will never regret I got married and like that's destination and I got like amazing kids. Sometime when I walk with my son in particular, and you all they said like, oh, your husband or something like this. It's kind of feel like the gap is not crazy big. You know what? I grew with my kids in a way.

You know, like don't forget I was like, you know, my father passed when I was super young. So I got like matured. You matured fast. Yeah. But from another hand, I have this spike and I have the child and meal still and I have like, so much life and so like I was like funky kind of a person. It's not like I was like a dark 19 years old and the whole world collapsed in me. No, not like this. I was like young than vibrant. Yeah, no, my mom had me, I think what, 21 or 20? She was young too. And I just think about it's like,

Lauren and I had our kid in our 30s and it's just like, I can't imagine like it just makes you mature so much faster. Like it changed. I mean, obviously like, you know, you have kids, it changes everything. And so I just think about like if I was 19 having a kid like what it would have changed. I don't think one's better than the other though. So, you know what? You cannot even compare like apple and orange and totally different thing because we're talking about a different era. And then today's today and like 20 years ago, 30 years ago, four years ago, you know what? I heard like my grandmother at the time the kids used to marry like children, like 13 and 14.

And I said, Mom, thanks God, I didn't live in this time. But this is what my choice. I was in love, you know, at age of 15. that was my first boyfriend and that's how I'm married. And that's my choice. It's like, honestly, nobody shot the gun. It's not like I want to run for my life. I was miserable. I was very happy. Even I was like, without dad, eight years old, I was super happy and popular kids and a leader. So nothing like this. I got married because we thought like we saw in love, we saw together, soul made and all of it. But, you know, even when I was married and children, I continue school.

See, that could have happened to us because I met Lauren when I was 12. It just took me 10 years to get her to come back to me. Yeah, you would have tried to impregnate me. If she would have just listened 10 years earlier, we were trying to impregnate me when we were like 15. We could have saved so much time if she would have just listened the first time I chased her. She took her 10 years to say yes. No, no, no, no, no. It's destination, which is I'm so happy you have each other.

It's kind of like two pieces and a pot. I cannot see you guys in an early age and I cannot see. I can see you like you did everything in a right time, honestly. Michael, I want to tell you one thing is like my kids didn't continue my path when I was like super young. Everybody got married new age and at 30 plus they start having children. And did I ever, ever told my daughter, oh my God, like what's going on? Like, you know, da-da-da-da-da. Never.

But a lot of parents do. And I think it's dangerous now because like you said, it's different generations. The pressure and the children and that they cut the wing and confidence. It means like I'm not good enough to attract the right man or I'm not good enough to attract the right. girl. No way. You remember what I said to my, you know, in the very beginning of my conversation? I teach my kids to be independent, confidence, and secure. So they had the choice not to do it. They wanted to go to school. My kids went abroad all over the world. They study abroad, you know, for a year. And then also they leave in New York and they live in Boston. You know, I give them

the freedom in early age. When the time it's come, they had the choice to choose. the partner for their life and the love of their life. And that's what it's happened. That's probably happened to you guys. When you were raising four children and building this, this huge, I mean, empire, how are you doing that? Like, what are your tactics? Did you have a nanny? Did you have your mom help you? Like, how did you do, like, build what you've built? And we're going to get into what you've built. But how did you do it all at once? Let me interrupt this programming to tell you about my new addiction, which is matcha. Now, I'm not going to nix coffee. I'm probably going to do a cup a day, but I've been replacing the other one to two cups with matcha. And the one that I like,

and I'll get into why I like this one, is peak tea. So they have this sun goddess matcha tea. And what I do when I wake up is, I'm going to be specific here, is I heat a teapot up with half water, half unsweetened almond milk. And then I put the tea in a little, cup. The way it opens is like unlike any tea bag. So you open it up and pour it in instead of it being in a tea bag. Tea bags can contain all this nasty stuff. So I really like the fact that I get to open the peak tea and pour it in. Then after that, I put my half unsweetened almond milk and half hot water into the cup, stir it up and it's ready to go. And if you remember, we had Dr. Christian Gonzalez on this show and he sold us. We were already so into peak tea, but he sold us. It says this is

some of the highest quality tea, like Lauren said, you don't have to deal with the tea bag. There's nothing nasty at it. We love it because when we travel, we take these little packets. Lauren and I both have the matcha every morning, and now I travel with the green tea. They have different energy levels for different type of caffeine levels. So I use it for focus sometimes late in the afternoon. It's honestly the best. Okay, so you should also know it's 100% organic.

It's quadruple toxin screened for pesticides, heavy metals, toxic mold, and radioactive isotypes. It's ceremonial grade. the flavor and the quality is insane. Some other favorites that they have are the fasting teas, the ginger digestive elixir, the puer tea. Definitely try my macho latte in the morning. Right now, Peek tea is offering a sitewide discount, especially for Skinny Confidential Readers. So you can go to peaktie.com and use code skinny at checkout. That's P-I-Q-U-E-T-A.com. Use code skinny. Peak rarely discounts their teas, so you should definitely check this out. Get the macha. You will be in love. I can tell you one thing, Lauren, a lot of people like ask me all the time, like, even at a time when I was like in a 20 and stuff like this and I start like building the career, then 20, how you do it?

I want to tell you one thing. Yes, nobody basically helped me out. I was like, go get it, wake up 4 o'clock in the morning. You know, sometimes I even used to bake my children's bread. and I was so fanatic. You know, for so 20 years, I was a gluten-free ahead of my time. I baked the bread, and I did, like, from scratch everything. I was, like, type A personality. I had to do everything in myself. The only help I had, like, somebody, like, cleaning the house and everything else

because I thought, like, I can utilize my time so much better, you know, for my work and my children. So, but also with the time, I want to tell you, Lauren and Michael, even then, I thought like, children, and experience it. Children really get me more energy and more ambitious. Children never stop me. Children should never stop you. I agree with that.

You know what? They push you kind of to go. The sky is the limit. They give you purpose. They give you more purpose. It's not because you not just you think like, oh my God, I want to build empire to, you know, to my kids and da-da-da. No, you kind of give you more ambitious to think like, The sky's the limit for me.

I can do anything. You don't think, like, my kids, I want to build their career. No, you don't think this way. You think it's about your career have to be, like, endless. You can reach the sky. You can do anything you want. Nobody's going to stop you. And the kids is kind of like the power from God, the energy.

They're pushing you without even, like, knowledge, like, you know, completely clear to you. It's actually, you know, like a bulldozer pushing you. And that's what I felt with my children. every child is basically pushed me even more and more and more and more and never stop me to work one day or to develop one product or to buy real estate or to build real set or to paint or you know I was like at a time like super fitness I broke my legs I get some weight but I'm going to lose it back but you know what my kids honestly I used to wake up in a morning four o'clock I used to sleep like 11 p.m and my kids was in private school I put them you know we we share like take them back and four you know, with this. I make my life with purpose and organize. And I fall like my kids is my

best blessing. Michael is popping a boner that you just said that. Michael loves an organized purpose. It is seriously his favorite thing ever. I'm a little bit more of relaxed and like the kid. The kid forces you to be more organized. You have no choice. Exactly. They have no choice. You know, your girl going to come and go to school at 8 o'clock a.m. What are you going to do? You're going to take your coffee and like look. at your email or your social media? Well, if it's Lauren, then they... That's what I'm going to do.

I'm going to postmates the coffee and her breakfast to our house, have an Uber pick me up, all sit in the back, post my social media, and that'll be official. And head Michael, you know, take the... Shriver. Lauren thinks it just magically happens and I'm sitting there. But no, I think, you know, everybody told us... But that's what makes you guys complete each other. And that's what a beautiful about the couple.

So don't fuck with me because it completes you. No, but I mean, a lot of people told us is, oh, you're going to have a kid, you're going to slow down. And I actually think since we've had the kid, we've actually sped up because it gives you like a little energy, organization, sense of purpose. Yeah, it goes faster. I want to know how you worked with your husband because it's very hard. It's very rewarding, but it's also very challenging. What are some tips and tricks? What? Okay. So right now I'm not married anymore. So that's, you know, clear. But at a time when I was working with them, so I decide, okay, after all of this, my dream to come with the products and healing like people with like, you know, break up at the time was like the big

thing is like acne, scarring, discoloration or a teenager, teenager, teenager. And this teenager sometimes grew to adult and they have like now, if they have a beautiful skin, they break up with the skin. So my ex-husband became like also helping me in the business. It helped me out with the formulation. I bought a piece of real set a huge, huge big. manufacturers, you know, like somewhere like Farsan Fernando. And basically, like, you know, I was like doing the formulation they created and the

manufacturers at the time is one thing I tell you was, I don't know if like honestly I give so much respect for you guys. And I see many influencers that work with a husband. He's the camera guy. He's like the producer. No, no, no, no, no. Sam, did I say this. This motherfucker won't take one photo of me.

No, no, no. That's the secret, though. That's why it doesn't work with those others. But I have, like, a reason why I'm saying it. You guys work here, you know, I heard, like, your amazing businessman, and, like, she talked about you so highly, by the way, just to let you know. That's sweet. But the same time, it's you guys together. You hear, and then you go home and you see, face each other.

You know, for me, I don't know if I could do it, and I didn't happen to me. I don't know. I didn't have this challenge, but I think, and my personality, I'm kind of so type. a personality and a little bit stubborn, I don't think we'll work with me to work together. But it's like we work in the same concept together. So it means like I create the products, I create the concept and then, you know, help out with the packaging and everything. And then my kids go to the business.

So there wasn't like a few hours away from me. And I basically handle the clinic. And then behind that meeting once a month. And that's how we can do the job. Because I don't think for me would have worked because everybody's different. I don't think for me would have worked to see my husband 24-7. We just talked about, we just in an episode about giving some relationship, just from our perspective. And one of the questions was like, how do you work with their significant other?

And the first thing we say is like, I think in most cases you should not work with their significant other. Like some, we figured out because we're both type A, but we are, we operate completely different sides of the business. They're totally different entity. And we have to be different. We can't like, if we had to, if we were both doing the creative or I was in the skinny confidential and like talk about skin or she wasn't doing it wouldn't work. So we get to do this together, which is fun, but we are also separate. And I think a lot of couples that try to work together and they're both trying to do the same thing every day, every day. And they're fighting, fighting.

And they're bringing it home. It's really difficult. I have to tell you, Michael, it's not just for the husband. Okay? With kids, it's the same challenging. And like, I work with my kids and we have an office in our building. It's really challenging also because we have to make, even after the divorce, we have to make a decision. And also, it's not because of, like, the gap.

of like generation. That could be in a way, but I'm very up today. I always feel myself. I'm still 25 years old because this is my mind and that's basically, I work with a lot of young all the time and I'm creative and like and I go out of the box. That's my personality. So in this point, it's not like I feel like I'm not like 25 or 30 in my mind. So but still with the kids, with your family, not just like with your wife or your spouse. It's very high. hard. It's not easy. Even they have a therapist and psychology is for family, business family. Do you know? I work with my dad for eight years and I love my dad, like best friend. But it's really difficult and we don't work together anymore. Obviously like close if you need anything and vice versa. Help him.

But it's, I think maybe that's another reason Lauren and I are able to do this because I learned the dynamic of what it was like to work with my dad. You know, and that's different because it's a person that raises you and all of a sudden you're working in a company and it's like, what's the dynamic there? but it's difficult and you have to kind of like be separate while also being closed. It's completely different than if you and I got into business easy, which is business partners, you could do something. But when you're family and there's different dynamics and there's familiarity and like you know that the person's never going to leave, it's just a weird, it's a weird thing.

And you know, it's like if you believe what you believe and your family believe and they believe, how you can put the gap together, you know, it's not about your stubborn. You believe and you see it. That's the way it's going to work. this subject and then it's not going to work otherwise and they believe that otherwise. It's kind of almost you feel like how should we compromise. You're going to find a way in the end of the day. You're going to have to feel or try it or you have solution.

You have to find solution. If you're like stubborn all the way of type A, it's not going to work. Sometimes you have to sacrifice to say, okay, give up and see if it's not, if it's fucked up, screwed up, fix it again. Another side. How many times they, you know, my kid, they think this way? and I let them do it and then certain things

they said, Mom, you're right. It's not about like, you know what I said, I told you so. It's about like I feel good about it. Like, you know, and then I remember I said

I teach them to be independent and then I'm kind of a like in a triangle with them right now. So I have to sometimes give up like the... You taught them to be almost too independent. Yeah, like mature and then let them find out and then come back.

But, you know, we adult also with experience, we make a mistake. It's like, show me a person, Bill Gates, or whatever it is, they didn't make a mistake in their life. It's false. It's light. We learn for a mistake. And the smart about it, if you learn for a mistake,

we're learning and not to do it again, and that's smart. It's, we'll pay the price, would be worth it. Let's talk about something that not a lot of people know about you. You are a real estate mogul, which I find so impressive because people think that you are, you know, working on clients all day and doing your chemist stuff, but you also are very entrepreneurial with real estate. So talk to us about, and I know Michael and you will have a lot to talk about with this, but how you found your huge, I mean, you have a massive, massive office in Beverly Hills.

Talk about that and talk about how you got into it. You know, the industry, like every industry, if you're successful, you can be, shoe maker and then create like Chimmy Choo, you know, that's how he was and became an empire all over the world. But, you know, any business, you can take it and make it like phenomenal, grow from there, or you can like a phenomenal business, you're doing the toilet. So I thought like that when it was very successful because we have something like completely different from so many different companies, even like with the, let's go back to it, you know, like the fitness or boot camp, you know, which is I created in the world that the first time.

like boot camp. I was like also a little bit time of Israeli army at a time. We had a boot camp come back. You know, girls used to do exactly like guys. And that's another thing, which is like, it's amazing about like the girls that came out of like Israeli army. They became go get a girl. What age do you have to go to the Israeli army? You know, 17. 17. Is it for a year or two? How long is it? So it's basically, you go for a year and eight months. Guys, I have obligation for three years. I wish the U.S. would do something like that. I tell you one thing. That's going to be controversial. So I know a lot of people are like, what? It's a different here.

Here, like, it's almost like a job. You get paid for it. There, you don't get for it. It's mandatory. Yeah, I like that because I think it teaches a lot of discipline, respect. She teaches chain of command, teaches, you know, you can be a little bit more patriotic. Have you ever read Arnold Schwarzenegger's biography? Of course.

And then he had to join the Army. I think it was Austria for a year. And he says it was a great benefit. Everyone I've talked to you that's done that. It's been good, especially because you do it at 17, 18, 16, when you're young, you can't really do anything else. It's life experience. you can never, never, never substituted with anything else. You know, you really kind of learn to be a man there, you know,

because you go with like, you became fearless, you know, you go to the comeback and you go to certain experience. The three months of boot camp, oh my God, you sometimes you said, you know, is this as life is about? But you graduate from it and you feel like, my God, like I became stronger. my focus, my brain can think a lot better. Like I can feel like any obstacle in life and like a solve it. I can take order if it's, you know, like to know how to take order.

It's nothing wrong to take order from somebody like a master because you learn it can be even better. So it's like the teacher life, nothing can teach you like an army. But in Israel, in Israel is like mandatory. The girl's also mandatory. I like that though. I wish they did that here. I think there's a lot of young people, people in this country that don't respect the military and the members of the military enough.

And like they don't because they don't get it. They don't understand what these people go through. I mean, it's like one of the hardest jobs in the world. It's one of the most thankless jobs in the world. I think if more people understood the effort and the struggle that goes into it, they would respect it more and they wouldn't and it would be more understanding. So like just even if you go for 17, 18 years, don't have to see combat, but just go and learn the discipline, learn how to take orders, learn out of respect, like all of these things, learn a little bit of history. I think it would be a benefit to many people in every country. Michael, I agree with you, but I have more addition to it too.

It's not just like make you like completely molding you the best way of you and life. And also is like also give you like a feel. You love your country. You patriotic your country. No country in the world comes defending your country as much as you can. No, nobody's going to come. When somebody's going to beat you up and you know how to beat back, That's basically you're defending your country.

We became patriotic and nothing wrong to love your country. And Israel, we have like a lot of things around the country and a lot of obstacles in the Middle East. Every country. So, you know, then Israel was like so long, you know, since like the 48th, the country's born. So people that, they're kind of like they're born. I want to protect my home. That's how it feels. I think that's a great thing.

And the U.S., we think like we are separate like entity from the world, but God forbid, you know, today with like technology, only have to push the button and everything has begun. So we have to like to be a lover country and protect it. And that's what became like Israeli, make you just you strong and like focus and be like you of the best, of the best you can do, then also give you love to your home, to your country. And that's what it makes a difference. So back to your question again is. So we took all the amazing things, you know, like, you know, the success and the former businesses and that we decided and I always love real estate.

And I thought, like, the most appreciation in real estate and kind of the same time, you're in control. You feel like it's kind of like, you know, satisfactory. You invest in something and like a few years after you can redraw money and invest in something else. It's like empire can go, grow, grow, grow. I honestly, you know, in such an early age, I was drove one time through my building and I said, I have to buy this building. I never.

By the way, just I have to tell you when she walked in here, just so you know, so we can put it on the record. She said she will be buying the Pacific Design Center next. Good. Maybe you'll be. I'd rather have you as the landlord. Lauren said, didn't you love the building? I said I would love to own it.

Go ahead. Sorry. There's got a lot of vaguen't. Go ahead. You buy this building. You give me a good deal. I'd much rather have you had the way in the way. I think you don't need a good deal because you're going to buy your own building.

Yeah. Work a little harder. Okay. Because I heard you're a very, very smart business. He's very smart. So, you know, you see, it's a lot of good stuff. So anyway, so, yeah, I thought like, why we'll have, like, it's the best thing to invest your money.

And that was, like, the clever thing to do because money is sitting in a bank. They're not going to give you anything. You just pay taxes and you get, like, nothing. and you make like the bank is wealthy and the federal. Yes, savings accounts are the biggest joke. You're not doing anything there. What do you get like 0.01? Nothing.

Okay. So basically is to take it and invest it. So when I drove one time through the building, like, oh, long, long, long time ago. And I already was like at a time, like buy small thing and like do something and sell at the back. So I have like, you know, money, but I didn't know how much is the building and how much going to cost. So when I drove one there, I said, I have to buy this building. Sure enough, like sometimes after these, I didn't even know I'm capable like this, but I said I have to buy it. You know what? My mind is always, I believe, you have to plant the seed and the sky's the limit. You really all about mind over matter. You create it. When you create everything, all you have to do, you play the seed, you water the seed, and after a while and give love and everything, and potentially, you create it. You You can see the plant and everything else. The seed in your head is the computer. You put the information in a computer.

Then I, like, after a while, you know, somebody, like, they called me the way. I said, I would drive you and said, you know what? One building fell out of escrow. So I said, which one? She said, da-da-da-da-da-da. The 997-5 Santa Monica. I said, it's weird. I'm just passing by the building.

I said, I will meet you in five minutes. She came and I did like the deal, and I didn't know how I'm going to put all the money there. But you know what, Lauren? I had the balls. I put like big non-refundable. I was with Casey Wasser money. He's like one of his like own like part of CSBS and a lot of like sports stuff.

You know, he owned. And then at a time I play like to put like substantial amount of money non-refundable. I want to show him making like the big player. And I have all kind of thing how to deal with this. And I got like two days before closing ESO even like big cut. It's all about negotiation and get like a poker game. and I take the building

and many, many building after this, by the way. How many buildings? What year was that that you did this deal? How many what? How many years ago was that you did the deal

for that building? 15 years ago. And I heard that you packed your truck up with your fucking steamers and you pulled up with your truck and unloaded the steamers

the next day. And nobody knew and nobody knew I'm moving. We did everything over and not like a theft, like a tea people and the next day in the morning

we call the customer oh by the way we moved to this in this area and that's what it is the steam and it's been the same office yeah

you know it's a completely different from West Hollywood to Beverly Hills Prime so that's what it is but also what I love I love like

to take like houses got them out and I'm building and it's a matter of it one is going to be for sale that's a hard that's a hard

it's a hard oh my God you know what it's kind of like I love challenge you know If it's smooth sailing, it's going to bore me. Honestly, I love obstacle and I love challenging.

You had an obstacle with my hyperpigmentation. We wouldn't get. It's looking good. It's looking. No, my makeup artist was doing my makeup the other day, and we'll get into this. And I told you, she said, your hyperpigmentation looks so much better. So you see, like Lauren, I with no makeup and look how it's amazing she looked. Yeah, Michael, how amazing do I look?

You always look amazing. How amazing on a scale of one to amazing do I love? Amazing. The high as you can get, whatever she looks. above that. That's a good husband, by the way. That's a good husband. I want this teeth to go to every man. I keep this cable, the table here clear so that she starts kicking me out of the table, you can see. So everyone can witness me. Oh, that's why I see Michael jumping every so often. You could see, yeah. She could say, hey, witnesses. Okay, you started to build the Sonia

DeKar brand and you got so many celebrities to come in. And I don't know if you can name any names, but if you can, please feel free. Tell us the juice, the influencers. You know, You've worked on everyone. You know what? But before even the celebrity, I was very innovative. So what did mean? Like, when I came, like, I remember one thing, which is my place, my clinic used to be in Beverly Boulevard and Switzerland.

You know, the Kingsrose Cafe was next to me. There was, like, at a time, was a very hot area. Incredible. So when people used to come to me and my place was a thousand square foot and so many client there was so density, people said, what is this? the, what is the zoo? I cannot relax. I cannot do anything. Why do I remember, like, you know, she used to be in Encore in a good morning America at the time. And she said, I cannot even relax. I said, you didn't come to relax. You came to a boot camp. And I took the photo, was like,

Polaroid picture. It's like, was not like iPhone. And then I shone, I was like, oh my God, I don't know, like how I did it with a big mouth. And I said, listen, basically, this is the picture of the Polaroid. And that's. That's your question here. You said you have a lot of malasma, a lot of wrinkle, puffy eye, dark circle, and the gravity of your jaw. I said, with all of this here in a picture, with all you write it down, so either my way to highway.

This is a boot camp. Yeah, it's not a, it's not like a spa facial when you go to her. It's like she's like, she's working out your skin. And I never called my place a spa, by the way. I call it a clinic. No, it's not a spa. So when I said like, this is a boot camp and this. This is a fitness.

When I told my son, and then she said, oh, okay, after she saw a picture, I said, that you was complaining about all of this thing. It's no another way. You know, I have to walk on you and no massages. Oh, no massage, no relaxation. I said, you can have relaxation at home with $100 and they put you to sleep with a glass milk next to you. I said, this is not going to work here.

Here you're going to wake up, have it, and walk out of here with much better. You said no fucking cucumbers. Remember you said it? Cucumbers are out. Cucumbers don't work. She goes, what did you say? The cucumber's out. No, cucumber already out.

Let's start with zucchini. So after this, when I thought my son, he said, oh, my God, mom, let's register. And we registered the boot camp and everything. So the boot camp was with me also. If somebody have obstacle, if like acne, scorn, discoloration, rosacea, so I said, because I start, like, treating, like, medical field with people, like, tired from doctors and everything out. So they cannot have, like, the answer. Because with doctor, you go to them.

They just give you medication. You know these, you know, tetracy, menacekine, then acrotin later on. So all of these things, and you relapse and relapse. And one day even, like, the head of the company of, like, the medication, which is like that paralyzed your brain almost, they came to me and said, honestly, I know something, 80% doesn't work. So she herself, she has obstacles and she is like the head of the territory, all California, she came to me to have a sick.

I said, shit, I have something with no. nobody have it. So I put them in a boot camp six times to come to me week after week with a very much discipline. They have to, they take the homeowner, they take the AMPM, the products that, you know, you know, they have to be like student. And I always said, my success is going to be when you help me out to help you out. You know, that's the only way to work. It's a team effort. If it's going to be only me, forget it. I cannot take you. You're done. You're done with a boot camp. Let's not start. And that's how me became all Hollywood became to me They know this is known, they know I can take care of any obstacle, any problem, hormonal, aging, you know, medical things.

Like, you know, so not just psoriasis, it was Asia, basically. I'm the best one in the country to take care of it. Can you tell us some celebrities? Because I know that there's been like publications that have come out that say you work on them. Can you tell us some people that you've worked on? The work on celebrities, Cameron Diaz, Guinez, Guernetado for 27 years, Dubrymore, for like 19 years or for 20 years or more. It's like, call play. I don't know. No, another de Caprio. It's like, I cannot even name it, like a zillion, honestly zillion. Tons of zillion. Tons of, like, all of this today, like Michelle Williams and stuff like it. I don't even remember. Like, all the housewives, the influencers. The housewife, yeah, the influence are not the biggest one, you know, like we treat them. Life, it changed completely. The cycle, the magnitude of that the era changed so much. You know, if I have.

I have to think like 30 years ago, 20 years ago, 10 years ago, now it's completely different era. You know, magazine today is not important anymore. You know, like, Influencers, like they're taking, I would say, like a captain, the wheel. And they can do like in a phenomenal job. You really is like most of them, phenomenal to every businesses. Even Google use them. Even Facebook use them. You know, it's like it's a different era.

So, yeah, did I see like the top celebrity? also princess and royalty from Europe. You know, I used to take care of it. We used to close the building for them. A musician like drag, you know, it's like all of these people, like, and they know they're safe here. We take care of them. Nobody, you know, like, you know, they have the privacy.

We have cameras all over the building. You stay a paparazzi in the beginning. So the police of Beverly says to kick them out. But today they doesn't even need paparazzi because everybody, the own publicists with the phone and everything. They're the opposite. They wanted this. the one thing I want to say here, Lauren, the most important thing, which is I'm so proud of it,

really proud of it. I was the pioneer 30 years ago when I was in the 20s. I came with something. Nobody even thought it's going to be one of the best thing in the universe. And it's going to, is the oil. You remember the story about the oil of this woman I started in the very beginning? The oil concrete in my head. When I decide I'm going to be chemist and I decide to be technician for skin,

I took the wood oil and converted to my business. So I start with this. When a very beginning, when I came to the U.S., start the glycotic acid, the microdimobration, they used to be with salt and crystal and silica, like residue of the beach, you know, the scent of the beach, which is like a glossy. And people used to come to me like, it's like completely, completely scratch and bleeding and oozing. and like really up to like infected. Michael needs to try some of the omega oil.

We got to get him some. But go on. Lauren just hides you from me. Every time she's like, I'm like, where are you going? She doesn't even tell me that. No, Michael, I have better, I have a better idea. You have to come to me and you have your own bag. That's what I'm telling.

Lauren's hiding you from me. She won't let me go. Every time she goes, she's greedy. She doesn't let me come. Commodity, commodity, ah? She's like, I'm like, she doesn't even tell me where she's going. The next thing I know, the only way I know I see her stories and there you are. Michael, but it's going to be the very kind of like.

tricky because you're going to come to me, you're going to have your own pack, but then you're not going to look for whatever you use up to now. You're going to say, like, I'm not looking back. I'm looking from here on. Well, let me ask you this. But most people that come see, or maybe most men, because there's a lot of men that listen to the show,

a lot of women that have men listening to the show. And a lot of men don't know where to start. They don't know what to do. Like, what is the most common issue that you treat men for? The common issue used to be a lot. It's like men, they used to have ingone hair a little bit. They didn't know how to shave. and I teach a lot of celebrity how to shape,

even like, you know, it's like every celebrity. How do you shave? Hold on. You have to tell how to shape. So for men, you know, like you have to put like your cleanser if it's going to be a gel or it's going to be milk or it's going to be even oil. You leave it on your skin, every time in the morning, brush your teeth. After like a minute or two, it's the hair very, very soft. And you take basically the shaver and you go one way. Yeah.

One way, one way. Hold on. You don't leave your product done though for a minute before you do that. to soften the hair she's saying. You don't do that. But I rarely, like, fully shave. Okay, but if you do shave, you need to do this. I shave my vagina. Should I do this on my vagina too?

You have to do the same. Our producer shaves his balls. Should he do this on his balls? The same thing. Okay. Two minutes. It doesn't matter. This guy's got a big razor burn problem back there.

He's got these slays on the other way. The only thing you have to like look in the mirror, nothing, you know, it's a danger himself. So, yeah. So that's kind of, but also tricky. The hair man also grow like a three. three direction or four, sometime from the side. Back here on the neck and the area. So you have to go stay with the direction.

So how do you know, you basically take your finger and then kind of touch it and you see where it's the smooth, your hand goes slide very smooth. You know, it's the right direction to go. And you not go the opposite. The moment you feel like your hand, you go back and four, you say, ah, this is like resistant. You don't go with the resistant. And you shave one time, you don't shave like bacon four, bacon four, only with a flow,

only with the growth of your hair. That's a good trick. I'm telling you. Eric McCormick, one time he said to Ellen DeGeneres, he said, my crazy esthetician teaches me how to shape since then. I don't have, like, you know, a problem with, like, ingrown or anything.

How do I get rid of the, sometimes I get red here on the brown of the notes? My eyes get dark. My forehead looks like it's falling off sometimes. So basically the dark circle, we do eye cupping, you know, these. Scooping. And then, and scooping.

So the scooping is a certain massage, like with acupressure. And then the eye. I copying. I kind of like, you know, with instrument, I suck all the fluid to the top to the surface and release them. So what happened is they're drawn through the lymph node and they give you clarity completely. You can see after the first time, your picture before and the after. It's a game changer. Yeah, you should go to her. Here's what I'm going to do. Here's what I'm going to do. You should go to her one. I'm going to lie to, I'm going to get your information and then I'm going to

lie to Lauren and say, hey, I got to go down the street to the office. And then the next thing, when you come back and you want to see how she's going to be. Then it'll be a story of me and you. I'm going to be like, what? Oh, let's have sex. I'm going to find out. I'm going to let her find out the same way I find out when she lies. She goes, I'm going down the street. And the next time I see her story.

And she's with you. I'm going to do the same thing. Also, I want to say something about the under eyes because this is important. And I've talked about it on Instagram story. A lot of eye creams give me millia, which you have a little bit. And so do I. It's those little tiny white bumps that everyone has. And I've noticed that the eye bomb that you created and we're going to talk about this.

It has a tightening effect and a relaxing with the CBD. It's like a caffeine CBD eye bomb. but the trick is the eye bomb is different than the cream because the cream makes you sort of sweat under your eyes and makes the millia worse your eye balm does not give me milia it takes it away well i have a confession to make too sometimes i steal Lauren's product says Sonia on the top and I go in and there's that what's the blue one what's the blue one what's the blue one what's the blue one? What's the blue one? It's like a it's a blue night product. It's kind of like blue and it's like a blue butterfly. He like he washes his butthole with my cleanser and puts lamare on his knees. I see this I see this. No what's the one it's like a it's a night product. It's kind of like blue the and it's like a blue butterfly. Waterfite. I steal it from Brazil. Blue Butterfly is my favorite. Now I know why you want Jarra every single week. Now I know you have a partner. Is that stuff good for me? Silent partner. Is that stuff good for me to use or no for me? Oh my God. Yes. Yes. So I want to really recap of this thing very, very quick. So how does this come when I saw like the 30, 25 years ago, a lot of people came like the calic acid was very in fashion. And then microdimigration, we said like all kind

of particle, which is, first of all, is not healthy. And that be damaging. Because. is scratching the surface. And an esthetician or doctor's offices, even doctor did it at a time, used to go very deep and start oozing, you know, the skin. And that basically, postula like infection. So they used to come to me, Sonia, what shall I do? What shall I do? So I kind of researched it and I thought, like, what should I give them, like,

a new spore and polysporin was not even at the time. I said give it to them, but then I know it's petroleum. It's a mix with petroleum. So nothing going to take, like, antibiotic. and put in your face. And petroleum is bad for your thyroid. Petroleum, bad for your thyroid because it's going through the blood cell, particularly when you have injured.

And also this, and by the way, find that a lot of people have allergy to it just as well. They get swollen like completely, like moms, you know, in their face, like very swollen. But the most important thing is like people that come with acne and they make it even like more, like, you know, spread all over. So I have the research. We didn't have Google at a time. So we have libraries. I went to the library and researchers said how it can help my client to get rid of the crustaceous, the bleeding, the oozing, the pastura, you know, all of these things, how can I do it?

So I find out they used to use, and a 14th century, it happened like the Metcalf, particularly in England, and a lot of, like, pharmacists lost, you know, all the, you know, the farm, you know, the animal, like, you know, cow and everything else, and they used to leave out of it. So they find that how to stop it. So coincident, they discover, you know, the flaxseed, omega from flaxseed. Fluxed is natural, we know it, and they're one of the most, they said, if the world going to be in starvation, they can feed the world with the flax seed for 30 years and be survived. That's how it's like the most high in protein and healing and antibacterial. So they took this flaxseed, you know, and they start driving it in the animal, the cow and

sheep and everything else. And also they clean the species from the floor completely. And they find that it's completely, completely stopped that there was like pandemic for the animal. And I thought, wait a minute, if that's teach such an incredible result, why I cannot use it and heal people skin? But also I use it like antibacterial and also I will heal skin. So I bought like a big, like, you know, like a, not a drum, like a few gallon. And I start spreading, you know, give it to people to start for free, sample after this and voila. When I saw people come to me like a week after,

it's like everything starts healing, the question is gone. And I saw that healing rosacea or psoriasis, you know, with like all, they take sterile, they take all of this thing. And I thought, like, I really discovered, like California discovered the gold at a time. You know, it's like, you know, 150, 200 years ago. So I thought this is a miracle. I'm going to battle it. So what I did as then I did, you know, separate them to group, you know, for oily skin,

for sensitive skin, for, like, you know, all kind of like six then. And now I did it, like, only, like, two for, like, separated, like for dry and sensitive skin, like rosacea, mature skin, or even, like, sensitive skin, like, low in shape sensitive skin. So it's not about like aging or oily combination and acne. So when this is like the oil camp, everybody long want to stone me with stone. Like throw me a stone. He said, oil, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I said, why? He said, no, I can't. I have acne. They basically, they used to wash the faces with like a little sulfate at a time, which is like we use it for our laundry, you know, proactive even came after. So, you know what? And all of these

and I said, no, no, no, no, no. That very leathery wash, you know, with low sulfate. They use the same obstacle now, you know, for laundry. And then also no moisturizer. The skin, the acne became crack out, you know, even more. So it's like starving. Like somebody want to do a diet and then what happened? No, I'm not going to go 1,400 calories.

I'm going to go for 300 calories. Wow, 300 calories. I can lose all my weight like in one month. what? You're going to have heart condition, carditis or rust, you're going to have a blood pressure, you're going to have diabetes, and you know what? I promise you, in a month, you're not going to be in this earth. I love. I love. I'm a huge fan of oil.

I've always been. That's my first love. So then I became famous, like became famous and oil really start, like the population start loving it. And funny thing, Lauren, 20 years after, 22 years after, the world started

accepting oil. So I was pioneer for oil. I invent with Omega, vegan, the pioneer, the first one in the world. And this, Omega, you can cover your child, Zaza, or, you know, it's like 100% and can get rid of even Sabria for baby, you know, like. We can get rid of Taylor's razor burn. Yeah. Yeah.

Yes. And I'm not kidding. I'm not kidding. What happened is like filled off and they have a brand new skin. So that's the whole thing. Pioneer of oil. Me, I can have to have, yes, yes, yes. He wants the oil.

We have seven minutes left of the podcast, so I need to ask you fire questions. Okay, so that means, like, I'm going to ask, like, a couple, like, problems that people have that have written in and give us, like, a sentence or two of how to fix it. Okay. And maybe you can give us an at-home remedy and then what product you like of yours. Beautiful. Okay. First one, hyperpigmentation. Okay.

Hyperpigmentation come very, very quick from several reasons, birth control, peel. when you go to the sun, you get the UVA, UVB, and they're creating like the melanin to be like completely like in a group, you know, side and then became like the skin like dark, you know, in certain area. It's not. Also pregnant women or somebody really loved the sun too much and that's how it's come. How to fix hyperpigmentation? So I don't believe in hydroquinone or anything like this because it's medical,

go to the bloodstream and it's a no-no. So I believe I create something which is the quality of, way. The fed away came extract from Billy, you call it, extract from daisies, is really spread out all over your face. And basically in a month, you can see it a big different. Pregnant women can wear it, breastfeeding, cancer patient. Every patient can wear it, men, women, regardless the color, the background, the complexion, absolutely fit everybody. It's natural and vegan. Okay. And let's talk about women or men of different colors, different races. Like, is there something that they should do differently or can we all use the products? Can we do stuff at home? By the way, I want to add one more

thing for the hypervigmentation. Please, please, please, work with SPF number 30. Don't believe in number 40, 70, everything is all gimmick. Is that number 30 is SPF 98 protection UV and UVB. So you save for cancer and also you save for beauty, not their spot. Number two, yes, my products you can have, you know, men and women can wear it, young, young children depend the skin condition. Of course, if they're acne and adult, if they have, like, mature skin and obstacle, they're not the same products, but my line can feed like young and adult, men and women, all kind of complexion, regardless of light or darker, 100% can feed all skin. Rosetia. Rosetia. I'm maybe one of the best one in the country to treat rosacea without medication. Rosacea, first of all, you have to know

genetic too. And acne also genetic, a lot of it, and hormonal. Maybe you can speak on rosacea and acne. Yeah. So acne and rosacea basically is also like genetic. You know, I say a lot of a customer with a lot of like really painful situation in the screen. Most like it, I would say like 90% go by genetic. But it doesn't mean you have to carry genetic obstacle appearance and biological all your life. You can definitely dissolve it. All you have to find as where is the solution and how fast you can go and be partnered with this to cure it. So again, you know, with the rosacea is a genetic, but also you have to know even before I'm going to come back how I can treat it. You have to be avoid spicy food. You have to have a lot of coffee. You have to avoid hot sun

without this. We have to go out. Sauna, hot shower is absolutely called a deadly, weapon to your skin. Now, how you can have, like, rosacea to take care of it? We need, you know, to expand all the expend of broken capillars and the skin v 18. It's kind of shine away. And alcohol is a murder for your skin. Absolutely. So what I said to my client, I don't want them to be cold turkey to stop like a fun a little bit. So even your rosacea, if you want to drink alcohol, drink like half a cup twice a wheat instead like full glass. And that's okay, but definitely you have to have SPA, if you have to have heart, everything else. That's a no-no and yes, yes.

How I treat it. I treat it with all kinds of light treatment. I treat it with my oil with a blue butterfly. And that, I promise you, rosacea will be diminished like in a few weeks. And even you cannot come to my clinic. Take the note what not to do, which is I just mentioned it now, and then practically is like to do all the yes, you know, to do that healthy food and everything else and the top of it, the oil, the blue butterfly, the nanomass, it's like a life savior. You don't have to come to me. You can

really help your skin by taking several products and you will be a leader for your skin. One more and then I want to tell the audience my favorite product of yours because I have one that I use every single day. The last one that I want to ask you that a lot of people struggle with and I think it's a misconception. We've talked about it is under-eye circles. And maybe you can also simultaneously speak on filler in the under-eye and how it, like, isn't the best thing to do. Okay.

So the underlie, you know, the dark circle under the eyes and sometimes come not just dark, fortunately, sometimes we have a dark but hollow. Like I call it the dark plate around your eyes. And then sometimes they come puffy eyes. It's like really raccoon, like a dark eyes. puffy. So what do you do? Like two kind of thing. One is like under, you know, like, you know, it's basically one is like drawn in the skin and one is up. Just to let you know very, very quick,

the eye area, it's we don't, it's only fiber built up from tissue and vessels of blood. We don't have any oil glands under the eye. So we don't have the protection we have in our face and all our entire body. Our entire body, the two area, we don't have oil is like the lip It's all protein and blood vessels, tissue, and that area. So a lot of people also have Amelia, like Lauren just mentioned it. It's like this small polka dot white, which is no doctor can attach it because it dangerous. It can broke like vessel. And also it's like you cannot take it off.

It's just like burn it and you have like a whole black mark on your eyes. So the only thing is like I do copying, you know, at the work. But we create amazing, amazing. I thought thinking about it, like how I can get rid of puffy eyes, dark eyes is like a drawn suck into the eyes. It's like cavey eyes. We call it the dark plate. So I came with like the jet energy, the eye jet energy bomb, which is I love it.

It's looked like very thick, like oily kind of frozen and which is like it's a green because it's a hundred percent extract for green coffee. The green coffee is before before minute like the brown one. It's like, you know, it's basically the roasted. This is like the natural green. So we took it from the piece of the green, from the very like a baby, like the first growth, the first stage. And we extract everything, all the extraction and the oil from it completely.

So basically what coffee does, we know it. When you take coffee, we have kind of like energy at a morning because it's stimulating the blood flow. That's exactly what it does. The green coffee even 10 times as much. So stimulating here, the all vessel, the blood growth. And so what happened when you have stimulation is a drone, help you out, the drone, the toxic, you know, and the puffiness into the lymph node.

Lymph node is like basically like a gel, go into this microscopically and run them out completely. So it became like all of it, it's become smooth, helping the small microscopic like the white dut, we call it the milia, it's like a pokey dot, get rid of it, melted away, and doesn't create anymore, but also they have a CBD, which is anti-inflammatory, which is I love. And also we have like the high oil. It's like basically like the ratinase skin cells renewal, but it's natural and 100% vegan and green. And safe for every ages, every complexion, every young or adult, it's 100% safe. And the most beautiful thing I want to sit alone for the finishing, application of eye area is not just the eye here.

I learned and I basically create application have to be sunglasses and eyeglasses. You take a little bit and you put it like one, two, three, and four. Why? Here I want to get rid of the expression line. Here to lift the eye. Here to get rid of cross feet completely. After the handline, go ahead, full inch between the brabone and the hairline and then go here with all this area,

the cheekbone, as we get the headline. a little bit older and I see it, it's crazy, an age of like 20-something, the eye here, like you have the split here. I call it the split division between the cheekbone and the cheekbone and your face here. And then also it shows us it's like we get older. Show us like not youth looking. So if you do all of this with the hydrogen energy all the way, basically you do acupressure and you stimulate all the area with a fine line start to be, you know, just to show. show appearance, get rid of it. So that's basically not enough. So basically we pearl eyes and we nourish the circle. So to give you guys a visual, it's a big, huge oversized sunglasses.

Your eyes, your lens now is like sunglasses, the size, okay? So we go all the way above. So we call it sunglasses all the way here. Then we take a little bit more. We do eyeglasses. I glasses than the needy-gritty. We go all the way here. We start here for the beginning of the bridge of nose. We go all the way to eyelid. We need to do a tutorial on Instagram story on this. Yeah. And then, yeah, basically you go all the way underneath.

So you protect it. The very, very fine skin without oil at all. It's like only fiber. And then also here we put a lot of makeup, not to be dry. So we protect the eye area and tightening and lifting above the eye area.

Sonia, you are a wealth of knowledge. you're smart, you're entrepreneurial. Thank you so much for coming on. Before you guys go, I just want to let you know that we are going to be doing a giveaway. So stay tuned at the end of this episode for all my personal favorites. If you're going to start with one thing, I would highly recommend the blue butterfly bomb. I've talked about this forever. I use it every day. I use it on Michael. I use it on the baby. It just smells so good. I'm obsessed. And then if you're going to start with a second product, I personally recommend the one we were just discussing, which is the Jade Energy

eye balm. You can use Skinny Bomb, B-A-L-M at checkout. You get 15% off. So we're going to include this discount code at the end and then also a giveaway. Stay tuned. Tell everyone where they can find you on your Instagram and your website before you go. Okay. So first of all, just to that everybody knows, like Lauren Finn and follower and Michael, the products is vegan, 100%. It's a plane base. And natural, you can put it to anybody and you can sleep at night and you know nothing going to happen to you. It's amazing. Second, they can go to sonnetaqat.com, right? So sonneta.com and what else? Instagram. Oh, they're Instagram. Sonneta on Instagram, right? And we're going to link everything up. Okay. So Michael and Lauren, I'm not very good and like the detail of Instagram. That's not what I do.

So that's what you hear. You know what I do. I just skin. She is fun. She's a hoot. Come back on anytime. We love you. Thank you so much. It was so pleasure. I love you so much, Lauren. We love you. And I became a love. with you too. I'm in love with you too. Get your eyes scooped or we're getting divorced. And I cannot wait to see Zaza. For the giveaway with Sonia Dakar, we are doing a Sonia Times TSC giveaway.

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