The Bossticks - Southern Charm's Naomie Olindo & Helen Hall On Weight Management, Human Design, Intermittent Fasting, & Daily Routines

Episode Date: July 24, 2020

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The following podcast is a dear media production. She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire. Fantastic. And he's a serial entrepreneur. A very smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you along for the ride. Get ready for some major realness. Welcome to the skinny confidential, him and her.

And I didn't have these huge expectations. I just thought I was going to be rolling them in my kitchen, you know, making a couple hundred bucks every week, selling them the people. And then I started like sharing testimonials, reposting testimonials that people would text me. And it blew up. It just blew up. I started getting all these online orders. And Naomi, you posted about your weight loss.

And it just continued blowing up. That clip was from our guests of the show today, Naomi Olinda and Helen Hall. Their major, this episode goes all over the place. We get so much juice, tips, and tricks from both these girls. They're best friends. And together, they've started a company together called 8020. obviously you know Naomi from Southern Charm. If you haven't watched Southern Charm, you're missing out.

And then Helen Hall, I met in Charleston, and she is an entrepreneur and the owner of blender bombs. Together, they are powerhouses, and we get into it into this episode. And I'm actually going to blame them for my hangover. Yeah, I mean, well, I'll just blame that, like, I would just abuse myself too much as a kid. And if I even see or smell alcohol, now, I'm hungover for months. You have to be in bed pretty early now.

Yeah, I'm an old man. I'm an old man. You've been getting really wellnessy lately, though. You have your vitamins organized. You even got a fridge for your vitamins in your bathroom. I might take a drinking hiatus. Really? Yeah.

How long? Two weeks. Two weeks. I'll believe it when I see it. No. I mean, I'm not a big drinker, but, you know. You have. The price is too high to pay now.

I can't, I suffer too much. My hangovers are so bad. I know, and I have to hear about it. It's so annoying. You wake up, you're dehydrated in the middle of the night. You're trying to steal my water. It's a whole thing. Too much now.

I put my humidifier on last night and I feel like I'm okay. But the lemon chello, mine had got. me. Okay, we are so excited to have Naomi and Helen on the show. We go all over the place here. We talk entrepreneurship. We talk beauty. We talk health. We talk Southern Charm. We talk ayahuasca. You get into it. Oh, and you should also know we talk all about both of their weight losses. They had a huge weight loss, each of them, and they really, really spill the juice on what they did to lose the weight. So I know you guys are going to love this episode. With that, let's welcome Naomi and Helen to the skinny confidential, him and her show.

This is the skinny confidential, him and her. I am so hungover from Lemmicello. I'm going to blame you guys from last night. You liked it. I liked it, but geez, I'm feeling it this morning. I can't believe that's all it took for y'all be hungover, both of you. You know what? You guys can drink, huh?

I know. It's Charleston. I mean, I feel like I can drink too, but you guys like, Charleston, like, you guys get down there. Charleston's a drinking town. Like, everybody has a drinking problem. That's why I get a mask. See it? It comes out in the summer because I drink a lot.

Oh. More in the summer than I do in the winter. But then you can just fix it with 80-20s, they're fine. I fix it. I wish I could give you the credit for making me hungover, but it's literally like if I even look at alcohol these days, I'm hung over because I drank too much when I was a kid. I just like, I can't even see it anymore. If I see it, I'm hung over.

Does that change after you had a baby? Can you drink less or more? I'm probably a bigger pussy now with the baby, especially the girl, I'm a little bit softer, you know, for shot. I can tell. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, you are. If I, you wake up every morning and you have some fucking other ailment.

It's like my ear hurts, my elbow hurts, my thumb hurts. Like, Michael, I just gave birth. I also have like the dad sneezes now, you know, like really loud. Yeah, you sound like a pit bull. Yeah, just like out of nowhere. That's horrific. I have those. Okay, so I like really thought about my first question for you guys.

And I just, the one question that kept coming up for me is this question. How the fuck do you guys look so good? Both of you. Like, give us. Do we look that good? Yeah, you guys both, like both of you look so good. She did my makeup. Well, I actually was, I'm actually referring to like your figures, but your faces look

amazing too because I know like you guys both have talked about how you lost weight with blender moms but I kind of want to get into like the details the nitty gritty the day to day because you guys like in person you guys look fucking amazing you look like your face tuned in person oh that's the sweetest thing everyone's ever tried to me my whole life Helen and I actually have even though we both fall kind of 8020 are our versions of 8020 are very different meaning Helen really practice what she preaches you know she really is healthy And for me, you know, sometimes I just like, binge a little adderol here and there.

Or just like, wait, if I'm having a hard time fasting, like intermittent fasting in the morning, I'll just be like, time for an adderil today, I guess. Hold on. I have a question about Adderall. We're going to go off on a tangent. I'm fine. Okay, so I've tried Adderall high school.

Definitely tried it. But it made me a fucking psycho. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can't do it. Like, what's the secret? I feel like it, I feel like it fucks with my metabolism and makes me crazy. Yeah. I mean, I really don't recommend it, but I feel like I have to be honest about what, you know, like what I do sometimes.

It's definitely not all the time. But yeah, if I'm having a hard time kind of kickstarting something or I'm just ravage all the time, I'll have a little caffeine. You're also just coming out of like a really, really dark place, though. Like what happened with your dad? Yeah, yeah, that's true. So, yeah, I mean, my dad passed away in December and we've talked about this. but and so it was it was hard for me to eat at first and then I was overeating so I was eating my feelings and so it was you know needed a little something to help me balance and again I don't recommend I think Adderall is like very toxic and horrible and I know so many people that are so addicted to it but for me I took some on occasion and it helped me and now you know I don't do it so much I just like I need to be honest about it because I hate nothing more than when people are like

this is what I eat in a day. And it's, I'm like, I know that's not what you eat in a day. You know, this is like an edited version of what you want people to think you're eating in a day. And so what I really ate today was a small adderol and maybe a bag of Doritos and then I had a healthy dinner or something. You know, like, let's just be honest about what we're really eating because most people just said what they want you to think that they're eating. And it's bullshit. I don't like it. I actually appreciate that so much because I've interviewed so many women. And you know, like some of them are taking Adderall and no one's ever been honest. This is the first time anyone has ever said that on the show. So that's, I mean, that's intriguing to me. I don't take it. I'll probably regret it, but

no, you won't. But you're, she's so honest. And another thing, while we're on the topic, birth control, like, tell them about what happened, like your birth control experience. Oh, yeah. I mean, birth control made me borderline suicidal. Like, I didn't, I didn't feel right. Hormonally, you know, I did, what is it called? Kylina. Kaabella goes in your face. I think Kailina goes in here you to try something. It was an IUD and it was a hormonal IUD and I have never felt so bad in my life. I was putting on weight and I only kept it two months because I couldn't last any longer. And it made me insane.

It made me put on weight. I felt like dying. And then I got the copper IUD and my life totally changed. And I started reading all these blogs and all these things because I asked my OB. I'm like, why am I feeling this bad? This is not normal. And she goes, no, it's fine. I mean, you know, this is what I would give to my daughter. And there are no, there's nothing really

showing that this is dangerous. And then when I really started reading kind of the Reddit threads, you know, like the deep, dark internet, I saw thousands of women were having problems with hormonal birth control, like thousands of people. And it's not talked about. People don't know. And so so many women are out there feeling bad or feeling crazy or feeling this and that. And it's not their fault, you know, or gaining weight and it's not their fault. And I know you talk about how you kind of were getting your hormones fixed. It's so important. It's such an important subject.

It's wild. I went to get my hormones checked and they said, you have a low thyroid. And if you literally worked out seven days a week and barely ate anything, you would not lose weight. So I would have been sitting there doing everything that I can do in my power with a little wine on top. Let's be honest. She's disciplined too. I work out every single day. It's like in my calendar and nothing would have happened.

and then I got prescribed to thyroid medicine, and I feel so much better. I have so much more clarity. And I always say it's like the thyroid medicine, you can't take it if you don't have a thyroid problem, so don't get any ideas. But it does feel like an Adderall without the come down. Yeah. Which is like, okay. But so, but the other hormones, progesterate, progesterone.

Progesterone, yeah. That's the best pronouncer. And testosterone were also low too. So I think like that, I think your message. is really important. If you are on birth control or you do have an IUD and you feel fucking psycho,

it's something to look into because hormones are real. And Michael Lostic has lived to tell the tale that hormones are real. Oh, yeah. Do I so have a black eye? I mean, postpartum hormones,

like if you are sensitive now... I've got to be careful because I see the people going, oh my God, this guy and he was so rude to his wife about her postpartum and his comments. And I'm like, oh,

you are kind of a dick, let's be honest. So you remember when you got locked in a room, how they make you feel? Oh, yeah. I don't care. Anyways, I read those comments that they're right, but I don't give a shit about them.

But yeah, we're very different. And to go back to your question, I'm like you, I'm very regimented. So I fast almost every day, probably five days a week. Again, I feel like, you know, I need like exact details. What time are you fasting, like walk us through the whole thing? So I like to sleep in. I like to go to bed, late sleep in. And so that for me is about 12 p.m.

And then 8 a.m. 8.30, I wake up. But if I, here's a trick, this is like the best trick ever. So obviously I'm engaged. live with my fiance. If I want to wake up early around 6, 6.30, I have to sleep in a separate bedroom. I have to because morning cuddles, like, I definitely spend two nights a week minimum sleeping in a separate bed when I want to be productive, because otherwise I'll sleep in because it's, I just like to cuddle, you know? You know what I'm saying? And so I wake up, drink water, coffee, and then around 1130, 12, I will have a smoothie and I used to make my own smoothies,

but ever since we opened the smoothie bar, I Uber eats smoothies most of the week, and that's lazy. I admit it. But I just know that that's what I have to do right now if I want my smoothie. I don't think it's lazy. Yeah. Okay. Well, I think it's efficient. I think it's efficient because I do the same thing. I know I overspend on food delivery services, but I like know that I'm also saving time to be productive in other areas. And so listen, like people like, oh, that's wasteful and money, but not for me and for people that do it, I think that you're doing a tradeoff between time and productivity. And like, I would rather sacrifice a couple dollars to be more productive in other areas. I don't have time to go and make a smoothie and all my lunches and I just don't. And you want to feel good. You want to

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I asked me to me today because her birthdays in a few weeks and I was like planning a birthday dinner. And the options on the reservation were 6 p.m. or 8 p.m. So immediately I'm like, let's go 6 p.m. And she's like, absolutely not like we went to 8. I like to eat early. So Scott and I, and a lot of people say it's an issue with their relationship. We don't eat dinner at the same time most of the time. And we also eat very differently.

But we work together. We live together. Sleep together. And if I don't have dinner with him, especially because we don't have kids, then I'm fine. I'm fine eating by myself. And I'll sit with him while he eats dinner. I'm just not going to eat with him. Fuck, just get a separate house.

You don't sleep at this point. You don't eat dinner together. Just get a separate house. I know less bites. We don't eat dinner together every time. No, we don't eat dinner together every time because I don't love your food choices all the time. It's like, yeah, y'all are independent. I don't love your food choice. I can't, I can't, I don't want to eat like a bunch of string beans for dinner.

Artichick salad. Whatever you're doing. You, your order was wrong last night. It was wrong. I thought that the tuna was, we took context, we all went to dinner last night. I thought the tuna was going to be the right choice. It was the wrong choice. Oh, you didn't like it? No, I was pissed off about it the whole time. You got to be in the rest of my pasta. Why didn't you? No, because I was trying to be disciplined. I'm like, I'm going to get back in shape. This quarantine. I got to like get back at it. I can't be doing pasta. and then I had that and I was pissed. You know what?

I want to tell you something so interesting about my husband that's so annoying too at the same time. He has no attachment to food. I love it. None. None. This is Lauren's theme of her life. I'm not,

I love good food. Nah, you don't care. But I don't pine over it. I don't think about it. I've never heard you in the whole 800 million years. Who was the guy we just had together say, oh my God.

Who was the guy we just had on the show? Oh, Dr. G. Like if I could take a pill that would just give me all my food and nutrients and just keep moving on. I do like enjoying sitting down and spending time with people. But I think you could see like last night at dinner like once it's over like it's over for me. Yeah, you're up, you're out. I'm up. His dad's the same way. He can't sit at a table with no. I can't with dirty dishes and once the drink and the check, I'm out. No, I'm like,

I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm schmose. Okay. I would be European in the way. Lauren seems a little salty about it. If we had European vibes in America, I would be European about it. But we don't have those vibes here. It's always people are banging around and. I know. The motorcycles. The girls behind us were like taking pictures eating their spaghetti, but they weren't even really eating it. Yeah. What was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was. That was, that was an Instagram shoot behind us. Oh yeah, absolutely. Yeah, that was that was like fake pasta in the mouth situation. And I think another thing I forgot to mention that you'll really appreciate is so we, we eat differently and I eat so high carb and so low fat. And so I don't eat meat unless it's

venison maybe a couple times you're like, if someone shoots it that I know I'll eat it. And I don't eat much fish unless I'm out of the country because I don't trust the American waters and fishes look like sponges and it just breaks me out. But I eat so much pot. pasta, not necessarily pasta, like unrefined carbs, sourdough bread, and just not a lot of fat, and I don't gain weight that way. But the second I start adding in fat with the carbs, I gain weight immediately. So avocado toast, for example, avocados are super high fat, sourdough bread, super high carb. When I combine the two and I eat it every day, I gain weight. But say I just have the bread with like some jelly on top, which is high sugar and high carb,

but not high fat, I don't gain weight. That's just how my body works. She's different. Both of you guys have talked openly about your weight losses, and it wasn't a little weight loss. You guys both lost a lot of weight. So can you tell us, like you kind of told us what's working for you as maybe food combining, but can you tell us how you've also incorporated the blender bombs and the intermittent fasting like really like get detailed with it? Yeah. So and this goes for both of us with the blender bombs.

The blender bomb has every central amino acid and every central fatty acid. And so for me, the hardest part for losing weight was late night eating and binge eating and just not having control over my cravings at all. And so when I started using the blender bombs, which we created, I worked with a doctor. And he told me the list of nuts and seeds to have every day because I wasn't eating meat. And so the blender bombs have all the nutrients you need. Once I started having these every day, along with fruit, which is a natural sugar, I stopped having any late night cravings.

So I didn't think about food anymore at night. I didn't think about wanting food. I thought, oh, I'm hungry. I'm going to eat. And now with the 80-20 concepts, I'm like, as long as my meal is 80% whole foods, then I'm fine. I don't care what the other 20% is. I don't even think about it.

How many blender bombs are you eating a day? Just one. And you just pop it in your smoothie? Mm-hmm. And what's your favorite go-to smoothie with it? Right now it changes. But strawberry banana with peanut butter is by far my favorite. And which blender bomb?

Any of them. The peanut butter one. It's the bestseller is the aloe collagen and her favorite's the goji. Yeah. And so what's your smoothie choice if you have to do a blender bomb? So I, especially when I'm trying to feel better, like, lose a little weight, Even if it's just a couple pounds, I'll do all intermittent fast for, you know, as long as it takes, really. And then I'll start with a blender bomb smoothie, but I do two blender bombs just because it's my preference.

I like my smoothie is a little thicker. I like the goji, assayee, and then I just do strawberry, banana, spinach, mango. And then I eat again, like, you know. Base water or almond milk. What do you guys do is base? Water and ice. Water and ice. But that's because of the bomb butter, which I don't have with me because I couldn't bring on the plane.

But bomb butter is, it's like a nut butter, but it's half the calories. half the fat and double the fiber of a regular nut butter. So I use bomb butter. Instead of bomb motor, she uses another blender bomb. But the bomb butter basically eliminates the need to buy a nut milk because it has that flax in it, which when you blend it with water, it's a nut milk. I wouldn't eat it plain because it's pretty. I've never tried that. I got to send you some. Ansley. Ansley is queen of making smoothies. She'll hook it up. Yeah, Ansley is my new executive assistant that Helen introduced me to and she's amazing. I'm jealous. I want her so bad. And we're drinking a smoothie right now, which say what it is really.

quick. Mango, peaches, banana, blender, bum, almond butter, water, ice. Okay. So how do you guys start your morning? I want to know from how you stay productive. You're both running businesses. Is there a specific morning routine? I saw that that question you posted on Instagram was asked multiple times. Yeah, you go first because we're different again. Yeah, see, so I feel like I represent the 20% and Helen represents the 80%. But again, I'm just here to be honest about what I'm doing right now. so it's not always what I do. But yeah, right now my routine as I get up, I hang out with my cats. I have coffee.

I usually hang out with my mom for 15, 20 minutes, and then I go straight to my office. And then I have my routine in my office, you know, where if I want, I'll all fast, or if I'm hungry, I'll make a smoothie right away. Or sometimes I will have some Cheetos. It just depends on what I'm feeling like that day and what I want to do. And it's interesting. You said earlier that you're not like really that attached to food. or I think Lauren said that you weren't because Matole is the same way.

But I feel like for me, the first thing I think about in the morning is what do I want to eat that day? And I get excited or I get happy based on what I feel like eating. So if that's a salad and that's what will make me happy, then I associate how good of a day I had with how good the food I had was. Not how healthy, but how good it tasted to me at the time. Well, there's an element, I think, to that. I think one benefit when you're not, like I appreciate good food. So I want everyone to understand something that I don't like. food, but I don't have this crazy attachment to it. And I think that people that obsess over food

and calories and their meals and what they're going to eat and this may be controversial and I'm no health expert, but I feel like it causes a lot of cortisol and it causes a lot of stress hormones. And what happens is then when you're thinking like that about food all the time, it's a stressful situation. And then like you start to gain weight and not be able to lose it because you have so much stress in your system. So for me, like food's never been an issue for me, luckily, because I don't think about it so much. But I think because of that, I don't have that stress hormone that's like constantly blasting myself. and making it harder and harder to lose weight. So in a way, like even though you're not so

focused on super healthy foods all the time, you're also not stressing over. It sounds like you're not stressing a lot of time, which I think helps in terms of weight management. So you are European in that way. Yeah, that's like the most important lesson. Like when I'm full, I get up from, like, I'm done. Like I don't just like, I think a lot of Americans because we get these, the portions here are way too out of control. And like there's so much, like, we could talk about you. You do portion control too. Like you don't eat, you don't eat, you're not glutton. No, when I'm full, I stop eating. Like I don't just like overdo it. Everyone's like, how could Not my fault that the restaurant decided to make a massive plate that they're going to waste.

That's not my problem. Like, they should get their portions under control. I can't eat. We're not designed to eat that much. You're married to a French boy. He's French boy. Oh, my God. I'm going to have to hear about this for the next. You shouldn't have said that.

You know, it's going to be like, I'm a French boy. When I was a kid, I went to this guy's house, a friend of mine in his, I was like maybe six or seven years old. And the guy said I wasn't allowed to leave the table until I ate every bite. I know people are scar, like Taylor, for example. Didn't your grandpa make you like sit at the table for like eight years? Something crazy like that. Yeah.

Didn't he make you eat with your fist or something? Oh my God, not the fist. Oh my God, your fucking mic's on for once. I can't believe it. I wasn't allowed or nobody was allowed to get up and leave the table until everything was done. And then there was no talking at the table. Yeah. And tell us about the way you eat. Wait, hold on. I'll get back to him in a second.

But what I'm saying is I remember sitting there and being like that young and think, this is weird. I'm full. I don't want to eat. And so I just stared this dad down for like literally like three hours until he got, I was supposed to spend the night and he sent me home. He was pissed. But I always thought that was a weird. Who was that? Shout about. No, no, I won't shout out.

But it was a weird American mentality where it's like if you don't eat every drop. But I think the better fix is just to actually serve proper proportions that people can actually eat without being glutin. Maybe charge less money too for the California prices. That is psychotic. Forcing somebody to eat until they're past the point of feeling sick. So my dad was half Greek, half Italian. And his mom and grandma used to make him sit and they would keep serving him and keep serving him. And then he said that he would finish eating and lay down and feel like he was going to explode and smoke.

and smoke a cigarette and be like, okay, well, I'm dead for the next two hours. That is, and he had bad food habits his entire life because of that. Yeah. That is some psycho stuff to force somebody to eat. It's some psycho stuff. I also got this tip from a friend who lost 65 pounds. My friend Valentino told me, he said, don't weigh yourself in the morning. I don't.

And I was doing that as I'm losing, I'm trying to lose weight postpartum. I was weighing myself every morning. And what it does is it sets your cortisol off. if you're higher than you want to be. And there's so many different elements. It's like, are you on your period? Well, it's typically the lightest part of your day, too, because you're dehydrated. Yeah, there's a million things.

So he said, stop waiting yourself. You told me this a week ago, and I haven't weighed myself for a week. And I'll weigh myself in like three months. You know what I mean? I'll just like, and then I can like wait and see. I just think weighing yourself every day, it just ups your cortisol. I don't think I've weighed myself in over two years. I don't own a scale.

And that, what Michael just hit on, you know, not to make Michael look like a good guy here or anything. God forbid. What Michael just said about the cortisol thing, if anyone can take anything away from the last 20 minutes, what we've spoken about is that it's sleep, getting good sleep, meditation, or whatever your form of mindfulness is, something just to bring your cortisol levels down, whether it's listening to happy music in the morning or prayer or whatever it is for you. Cortisol, I feel like, is that secret enemy of holding onto any sort of weight, which is probably a reason why people have thyroid issues, too, from constant. I think that I have high cortisol. I'm going to blame it on you. like I'd always do.

Can I ask you a question? So what's going to happen with this show now that you're all quitting? Because I'll be honest. I don't watch a lot of reality, but I've seen every season. I've seen one through, how many seasons? I've seen everything. Obviously, we've interviewed Pat and I was watching from the beginning. And I've seen your whole, you know, your evolve.

Evolving, evolving. That's a fucking word I'm looking for. Evolution. Evolution. Yeah, sorry. But I want to know, like, if you're leaving and Kansley, all these people are leaving. Is this thing done? Is this thing, are we?

No. I mean, I don't think so as far as I know. So Cameron Chelsea and I all kind of unanimously decided to stop just because it... But that's like the three... They're the three main girls. Well, no, I mean, I don't really think I was a main person. I think it's more so Catherine and Cameron that are like the two main main girls and Pat, of course. But so Catherine stayed, I mean, as far as I know, they're still filming and they have a couple new girls.

Like my friend Leva, I mean, I love Leva. I think she's great. So we'll see. I mean, they're still... still going. It's not going to have as much sparkle. Patricia's the best ever. She's the best.

So she'll add the sparkle, but it's going to miss the sparkle without you three. When you think about, like, so we were talking about this a little bit last night at dinner and I was wondering like what question was asked us. But like the type of person that could be successful on those shows, because I think personally, like I don't think Lauren and I could do it. I don't think our relationship could survive it. It's just too crazy. It's like what do you think, what type of person do you think is successful on platforms?

Like obviously you need to be, I think Lauren and I would be so boring. You know, because we're in bed at 9 o'clock. There's not a lot of drama with a lot of other relationships. Like, I feel like you have to bring it to those things or else it doesn't quite work. Hold up quick little break to talk about cereal. I was a big cereal lover when I was a kid and I am now. Huge cereal lover. But the problem is, is you get older and you learn what's in the cereal.

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All right, back to the show. God, that's a good question. Am I about to say this? I don't know. It's a safe space. Nobody's listening. I'm just going to pretend. So, yeah, I think that, and again, I don't want to be like shitting on people that are still doing it or anyone in reality TV because I have lots of friends in reality TV.

and I think they're great people, but I do think that there's a certain element of a very specific personality type that it takes to do something like that. And, you know, maybe the first couple seasons on a show when you're new and you're kind of green, you don't really know how it works, so you really are yourself. And I think some people truly are themselves. But then after a few years, and which is why a lot of shows end up kind of getting canceled after several years, because it gets so robotic and it's so like, okay, I mean, some people on Southern Charm, will literally write notes and, you know, read books and write notes in the margins of like, oh, this is what this cast member does. So I want to crush my enemy and I'm going to follow

this strategy. So people will strategize. And once it starts getting to that point, it can get so toxic. And so that's why for me, and I think I could probably speak for Cameron and Chelsea too, when it reaches that level where some people just have nothing to lose and are willing to sing for their supper and do whatever it takes, whether that's, you know, try to, ruin your marriage or your relationship or say something about your children or whatever, it's just too much. And personally for me, I can't be in that because it makes me depressed. It makes me sad. And I don't want to be that kind of person. I don't want to be associated with that kind of negativity because it's like a really dark side of life. I mean, I was telling you,

Lauren, that L.A. makes me anxious. And because I feel like there's a level of superficiality here. and I just can't vibe with it. I don't like it. And the show is kind of like that, but to the extreme, I guess. With everything that just happened with your dad, was that also impactful on the decision that you made to leave? Because for me, like, when my mom passed away, it puts so much into perspective for me,

a lot of like what's important and what's not. For sure. I mean, when negotiations were kind of happening, like, right before my dad passed, so he was super sick. And so I was focused on that. And I did meet with a network. a couple times, you know, because my dad told me you should, you should go. And then when he passed away, they're like, okay, it's time to film, you know, like let's go. And I just could not imagine sitting

down and filming and talking about some of the bullshit that's talked about because I just didn't care anymore. You know, it just kind of something snapped. And you were saying when you lost your mom, it put things, yeah, majorly in perspective and you just really don't care about certain things anymore and that's kind of what happened. I couldn't even pretend to care if that makes sense. Yeah, you just start to like view your life as an energy thermometer. Like where are you going to allocate the energy that you have every day? And is it productive where you're allocating it? And if that felt unproductive for you, I mean, I don't blame you. I just don't like how, I think that why like personally I would be so freaked out about something like that. I don't like when

someone's twisting and like turning words and creating narratives. Like the reason I like podcasting so much more than anything is like you can have a conversation like this and it is what it is like people listening like even when I make mistakes and can't say evolution or whatever the fuck I was trying to say like people can like it's not later edited and mean like what you know it just feels very organic and normal and there's not somebody out there like controlling what the narrative is here yeah so I just feel like I would be a complete train work on on stuff like that especially for a relationship also brandy glanville remember she was on housewives and she she outed fuck what's her name malo yeah on having a surrogate And when that happened, I was like, whoa.

Like, we're turning a corner. That's like bringing the kids into it. You know, my thing was like, what if you're an 11-year-old kid and you're sitting watching your mom on housewives and you don't know that you were a surrogate because your mother wasn't ready to tell you? And he hears it from Brandy Glanville's mouth. I mean, that's some cease and desist shit. Well, I think what happens on all these shows is like, obviously there's a rating system and

like there's advertisers that jump in and they all need to compete for, you know, prominent space. And so they just keep pushing the envelope further and further. Like, oh, what can I do to, like, get more shock value? And it just gets further and further and further. It's going to get to a point where, like, you know, listen, it's entertainment. We all like, like, even myself watch it. But I just don't like that it's a lot, in a lot of senses, it's fabricated and they're doing things to blindside and hurt people. Exactly. We're always so constantly stimulated. And that's what they do on TV. They're always trying to stimulate you with a new plot twist and this and this and And it's like, that's to me why meditation is so important in mindfulness because your whole life,

you are just constantly stimulated. There's always going to be something changing, you're catching your attention where not many people are prioritizing just chilling out or going to a ranch and relaxing. How do you practice mindfulness? Do you do it in the morning? You didn't tell us your morning routine. Yeah, I do it constantly, like literally all throughout the day. I meditate when I wake up.

It's a guided meditation. I still haven't mastered, like, meditating by myself. But meditating in the morning. Headspace? I use Insight Timer. Okay. I've done Headspace before I used it for a long time. And then one of my friends started like putting her podcast on Insight Timer.

So I did that to support her. And then just practicing gratitude throughout the day, taking deep breaths. I feel like I've, because I've been doing this probably for about two years now, just being intentional about it. Someone could attack me and snap my head off and I don't think I'd get mad. But if you had asked me this question three years ago, I would punch them in the face. But I've just, I've been tested so many times over the last couple years. And Naomi's the same way. So was Matul, her, not my Scott, I love Scott, but he'll snap. But Matul's the same way. No matter how much someone pushes our buttons, we've all kind of learned not to snap back.

Do you think that's because Matul is an anesthesiologist? Because he's like, he's so used to like being under pressure that he's able to be in a pressure cooker anytime and he won't burst. No, I think it's actually his family. His parents are Hindu and they, so they meditate a lot. And his dad is so calm. And, you know, if somebody does something bad to them or whatever, they believe in karma, they don't believe in retaliation, they believe in staying positive. And that's trickled down to him so much. And now to me. What's the sentence that your dad has in your house? It's like the first thing you see when you walk into the living room, the lines in this house.

Oh, yeah. Well, this is a whole other problem. But my parents love like sticky wall art, but that's fine. Yeah, I came home one day and they had found this at TJ Max. And my dad was like, we love it. This is, this represents our family. And, you know, they're French and they're cute. And they think, like, American sayings are cool.

And so it's like, in this house, we say sorry. We keep our promises. We give hugs. And I was like, okay. It's like, like, no one's watching. I mean, pretty much, you know. But my dad's like, they truly believed it. So they stuck it to the wall.

You should take the stick yard and you should frame it and put it in your house. I'm telling you. It's awesome. It's like a cute reminder. Yeah, it's adorable. I mean, it's like so not cute that it's cute. You know what I'm saying? I read it every time I walk in your house.

Yeah. It sounds like, in this house we say. Yeah. So the first thing you do when you wake up, you meditate? Look at my phone to open the meditation thing. But yeah, I meditate. So you're a big meditating. Probably five days a week, though.

Not seven days a week. 8020. 80 20. Tell us about 80, 20. Like, explain how you guys. I know that Naomi talked about her weight loss on Instagram and people freaked out. And it seems like that was that like sort of the foundation for how you guys decided to partner on 80-20?

I've been... 80-20's obviously been around in so many different circumstances for forever. The concept of 80-20. Yeah, the concept of 80-20. You know, like you put in 20% of what you do brings about 80% of your revenue with business, that type of concept.

The Palmeretto. Pomerado? Yeah, that, exactly. I'll forget that guy's name, but yeah, that's it. And so when I started blender bombs, there's only 10 blender bombs in a box, and that's the reason why we don't do 14 is because we don't want people to feel

like they have to go through a box every two weeks. So if they go through, they do five smoothies a week instead of seven, which is why we have 10 instead of 14. But that kind of translated into, we've both been through periods where we were 100% plant-based or 100% vegan or 100% pescatarian, whatever. And it is just so draining to try and be perfect all the time. It's so draining. And so 80-20 for food and meditation, exercise, sleep patterns, relationship intentions, like anything like that, I think 80-20 can transition really well. Because as long as you are being, you're making conscious effort to do something to reach your goals 80% of the time, that's all that matters. If you try to do anything 100% of the time, you're going to get so

frustrated your cortisol levels are going to rise because you can't do anything 100% of the time. It's not life. And it creates this negative headspace of self-loathing where you think if you don't do everything perfectly, you know, and you mess up ones. So we call that the 20% that it's not even worth getting back on track because why you've already messed up. So who cares? let go and then that's how people let themselves go. And so we really want to share with people that it's okay if you're doing your best and then you, you know, spend a couple days eating what you want and not working out. It doesn't matter. Just then get back on the horse for a little while. And then you can have another cheat day if you want or cheat meal or not work out and it's fine.

Like it's fine. And eventually you get so used to not being perfect that you stop thinking about calories. You stop looking at nutrition labels. You start focusing on how you feel like the ingredients behind which you're eating rather than like the calories fat protein carbs. And it's been so, it's been like a blessing for me because I used to be orthorexic, I guess. It's like when you're too structured or like you care too much about food, you won't eat anything bad. And so 80-20 is been a good balance for us. You know what we need to discuss for a quick second, Michael? What, Lauren?

The best thing ever. What is it? Sex? No. Okay. It has to do with dogs. Dogs. Yes, that's what I was going, Lauren.

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promo code skinny. What do you guys think the biggest difference with both of your weight losses was? Was it the blender Is it fasting? Was it practicing mindfulness? What was the like main thing that you look at? She is pescatarian. And I'm like, I strive to be mostly plant-based. And then also I think, what else? I mean, what made the biggest difference for me? Aside from fasting, of course, because I already sometimes wasn't eating that much in the mornings. And I think a lot of people eat less than they realize in the mornings. But it was the first meal that I was having instead of it being some really like greasy shitty food because I was starving. Even if you you want to have a burger right after, just have a blender bomb smoothie first. And even if you don't want it, just have

it. I guarantee you you'll feel better. And you might, you still can have the burger, but you might eat a little less of it. And then over time, you start building these habits where you stop these cravings of this shitty food that is going to get in the way of your weight loss or whatever it is that you want. And you're going to start being like, oh, I'll just have a smoothie or I'll just have this. And it's these tiny incremental changes that made a huge difference for me because it took me almost a year to lose weight, but people noticed all of a sudden, you know what I mean? But it was a long buildup and like a long maintenance also. But people see it and they're like, oh my God, what happened? You're like, you're so lucky. I'm like, what are you talking about lucky? You know, this has been

going on. You just didn't know. So. And what about for you? Well, another thing is I did, we both lost weight out of self-loading at the beginning. is how it was. Like, we didn't like the way we looked. You were going through a breakup. I just had gained a bunch of weight in college, and I didn't know how to cope with it. And so we both started our weight in a negative mindset. And when we both were trying to lose weight with that as our intention, like we're losing weight because we're not happy with ourselves, it didn't work. It was like a fluctuation. It was up and down. We never permanently lost weight. But once I changed my mindset to be, I want to be healthier and like, I want to eat more plants, oh, immediately, I could start seeing results.

That is so interesting that you say that because I'm having this really big obsession right now with Dr. Joe Dispenza. And basically he says that as humans, when we wake up in the morning, our first thought of the day always goes to the negative. So like it could be what did I say last night when I was drinking or, you know, was I good at that dinner or shit, I have to do a conference call today that's an hour long. Like your brain automatically goes to the negative. We evolved to like look for danger, right? and survive. And so that's why you looked at those things. Yeah. So he just said that if you can know that your brain is going to go to the negative and switch it to a positive, it's a muscle that you can keep working. And so now I'm almost now observing my thoughts. So almost like

outside of my thoughts being like, oh, that's negative thinking. I need to switch it every single time I think a negative thought. So in the morning, I woke up this morning and I was like, oh, I have to do this and this and this and this and all these things and the baby. And that, and I And I'm like, no, no, no, no, no. Hold on. And I like reframe the whole thing. Next time we started to get in a fight, I want you to stop and observe, observe your thoughts while you're in it. My thoughts are 100% accurate. There's been some pretty wacky behavior lately. Yeah, there is wacky behavior when you're postpartum and you just gave birth to a baby. I got to call you out. There's been, there's been not a lot of observing of thoughts when we fight.

I want to hear the wacky behavior. I'm a fucking whack job. I love it. I love that. No, like, tell me. Okay, first of all, when you're postpartum, you're, you're not yourself. I can't explain it. Like, you're, you're, like, you're You're just not. Every, like, every little sound that he makes is, like, more annoying. Like closing the drawers. Oh, the drawers. Today, he's opening the doors.

Get the whisper drawers. Invest a little bit more. What do we have? What does that drawer system we have? No, you also slam the door. Like, I'm just very sensitive to noise and sound. But let me, now, let me, like. And I also don't get why you have to turn the light on.

But now let me say this. I like the shade element. These slams and these things she's talking about are just normal activities that are not slams and not as just she's postpartum. And she thinks that these are, like, the other day we got out of the elevator and I, like, step loudly. when we got off. And she's like, what, what do you bang? I'm like, I'm just walking normally. She's just hypersensitive right now. Yeah, you're hypersensitive. It's, it's really gnarly. And it's not like I got a

handbook on how to deal with postpartial. Like, if everybody else in this room heard me shut the drawer, like, okay, you shut a drawer. Like, but for her, you know. But it doesn't matter what, what it really is. All that matters is how she perceives it. And then it's you doing it, no one else. Yeah. I don't think we, this is a, you know, I couldn't get away with this. I couldn't be like, well, you know, it's that time where I just, you know, my brain. You didn't have a baby. I know. I know that. That's why. That's why I lose somebody. My favorite thing ever, like, ever is when I was literally breastfeeding with a huge rash down my back after I just gave birth two days later. How about this? And you said you had a headache. I'll get the past and I'll, and I'll be like, okay.

Yeah, it's like, so the men get a little something. I'm like, maybe if we're hung over, like, I get the same past as when you're postpartum. I mean, girls are going to write him so pissed off. But I want a little pass. I'm like, I mean, I have a headache today so I can act a little wacky and I can maybe be a little grumpy. No. Michael, I think this is a cry for help. Yeah. If anyone's listening. This entire fucking podcast is going to cry for help. Go date a guy.

Like, this is what you get with me. Take it or leave it. Honestly, if I, like, wouldn't mind it. I feel like it would be a little easier in some sense. Go date a guy. Maybe my next, if this relationship doesn't work out. You guys should piss each other. Listen, I was thinking about what you're saying.

You know, when you break up, you get really good shape. And I haven't had a breakup and we haven't been broken up 11 years. I'd probably get, I'd probably get really good shape. You could just sleep in separate beds. You guys both look great. I really feel like you're way too. I mean, you said yesterday, you think that you're 20 pounds. I mean, that's insane.

I do. You have like BDD. Like, that's too much. I might have, I might have BDD. And again, living in L.A., it's doing it to you. Therefore, you need to move to Charleston with us. I think so too. Michael can stay here since Charleston's too slow.

He can stay in the fast. Did that offend you when I said that? No. It's impossible to offend us. No. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's slower than L.A. And that's why we like it.

Yeah, honestly, though, like my ranch that I'm getting. No, I, that you're working towards. Listen, this is, maybe this will be the offensive part. I don't think, I like slow, but I don't, I feel like the, the services are slow. Like, for example, Lauren went to go get a blowout one time there. This is literally my story. You take my stories, repackage them as your own and tell them.

I had to suffer because I had to wait. I had to wait. And it was like, it took so much longer than it does in other places. But I think there's something beautiful about that. It's like, slow down. Everything is so, so fast. it's almost too fast. And then life goes by so fast and before you know it,

I get it. No, but I mean, like, listen, even if you talk about being in France, like it's a slower pace, but it's not slow. Does that make sense? Like, the people there are efficient in the service industry.

That's fine. That's the fake off. Well, why were you waiting on her to finish a blowout? Why didn't you entertain yourself? She's like, it'll take a few seconds. And I was like, well, that's your first mistake.

But you know what I'm saying? Like, there's a difference between like slow pace and slow. Okay, then let's move to France. She makes up by not chowering by not chowering expectations on it, a few seconds because if you say like it'll take an hour and a half which is a little more realistic yeah well that's yeah I think that's like my experience with with women in general right but just like in my wife specifically it's like hey we'll be there in five and then it's 45 I feel like we're pretty

low maintenance though you think Lauren's low is that wrong she doesn't wash her hair she doesn't shower Taylor Taylor get on the mic immediately you think Lauren Edwards is low maintenance I know I mean there's a lot that is high maintenance but the goal of her being high maintenance in some aspects is so that she doesn't have to spend her mornings getting ready. Yeah, what's the housewife say I'm a riddle wrapped in an enigma or something? Which one says that? Lauren is... You never know what I am.

I, look, whenever we get into like a crazy fight? And Lauren's like, I'm leaving and you're leaving and I'm going to go somewhere else. And I'm like, listen, the next guy that gets you good fucking luck guy. Like this is not low maintenance. She might be expensive, but she does save time in the morning. No, not even expensive. Just like, there's a lot to unwrap here, you know? I don't think I'm not high.

Thank goodness. She's not boring. I think you should be thankful that your wife takes care of herself. She's definitely not boring. No, and I am thankful. Married her smoke show. But she is not low maintenance. Okay, I want to talk about business because you guys, I was saying you're both deceptively intelligent.

I would agree. I want to talk. Can you kind of tell the audience each of you how you've built your business and maybe how you've leveraged the show and how you started Blender Bombs? Like walk us through how you had the idea, how you started it, where it came from, the origin, all the stuff. Okay, cool. So I started Blenderbombs when I was. How old was I? Went in 2017? Yeah. 23? 22? I don't even remember. I just graduated college. I did the corporate world for three months and I cried every day during lunch. I cried. I would call my boyfriend and cry. I was so miserable. I was chained to a desk. Had to clock out to go to the bathroom, like five times a day. It's horrible. What? Is that even allowed with HR? I didn't think so. I like looked into sewing them because it was traumatic. I don't think that's allowed. I don't think so either. I'll tell you the name of the company later. We can hit him up.

Put him on a blast right now. I think that they're closing their offices, actually, because of COVID. But they have thousands of employees. Anyway, so that's when I switched to become a personal trainer because that's what I was doing in my spare time. Oh, I got to tell you this story, me getting fired from the corporate job. Oh, yeah. This is funny. So it was a job where I'm a middleman between an insurance company and, you know, the employee of a big company,

just so that the employees don't have to directly speak to the insurance companies. Because who understands insurance companies, to be honest, nobody does. So she was yelling at me. This girl's yelling at me for something I couldn't control. I said, excuse me, let me put you on a brief hold. I put my headset on mute. I looked at my coworker. I said, this woman's saying such fucking bitch.

And she goes, I can hear you. And Helen got fired. And 30% of the calls get listened to. So I had a panic attack. I told my boss that I called someone a bitch. And then I got fired. That's when I became a personal trainer. Thank God.

And can I tell a story about when you did first become a personal trainer and when you wanted to start blender bombs? Yeah. And I want anyone that's... listening to this, that's having doubts or that has somebody that is pseudo-supportive but not fully supportive, like that doesn't want you to follow your dreams or they say they do, so it can be kind of confusing. But Helen was dating somebody at the time who, you know, was a friend of mine, and she said, you know, I kind of want to start this business and I want to make these

blender bombs because she had been making them for all of us and we were using them. And so it's like, okay, maybe this needs to become a thing. And he was like, Helen, you'll never make it. Are you kidding me like selling these small things to put in your smoothies like that's so dumb and that's just a terrible idea you need to stick to your corporate job and she didn't listen to him and thank god because now blender bombs is a huge and extremely successful company and I'm just so proud of you that you didn't listen to that shit because there are so many people out there that let people negatively influence them or scare them from making that leap and and you didn't why do you think you didn't listen to him. I'm going with my gut. I just knew that it was, I just knew I went with my gut

and I had people texting me for them. So obviously there was a demand. I felt like a drug dealer with people coming to pick up blender bombs outside. Tell us about that. I think there's two, there's a time when it's like, okay, you have a real conversation. We start up and say like, does that person have merit? And then there's a time to identify like, hey, is this person passing their fear and insecurity onto me? Right. And I think that's exactly what I have to distinguish between the two because I think there's productive conversations, be having like, hey, like, maybe there's a hole in the business. There's not.

You obviously have been very successful with this. But that's something, okay, like you can entertain. But then there's another world where what you're talking about, where there's someone that's being negative and just passing their insecurities and their fears onto you. We needed to break up long before that. He actually texted me last week asking if you could have it by a blender from me that was signed with my name on it. He sounds like a big pussy.

He is. He was evil. But anyway, so I started making these blender bombs for people. And my mom, for my birthday present in 2017, she took me to Costco, spent, you know, $150 on pecans, almonds, GSC, all these noughts and teasies that you can buy at Costco and dates. And then my dad bought my LLC. And that was $300 and we've been profitable ever since. Like I had zero money at the time. I maybe had three clients that I was training.

I had no money. But my parents gave me that $300 for the initial investment. And we've made it work just because I think I did kind of cheat a little bit at the beginning. I didn't, I lied about the weights of the Blender Bombs. So when I was shipping them, I didn't have to pay the whole shipping label, which wasn't good. Love a little lie. Love a little lie. But listen, let me, I think this is relevant to talk about for young people.

So we have a lot of young people that listen. Like, what was the biggest downside at the time of your life if this failed? It didn't fail. But like, what you already were broke. I was already poor. I was going to continue being poor. Yeah, like I think people get it fucked up where they, they are conservative in the beginning of their life and then take risks later.

Like, I was much more reckless when I was younger, still a little bit reckless. But now, like, as I have a kid and married and, like, have responsibilities to other people, it's not that I'm risk averse now because I'm still taking a lot of risk, but not as much as I did when I was younger. And I feel like when I was young, like, what's the worst that happens is you just are still young and broke and, like doing the same thing? And I think that's the time to do it. People fuck up and they say, wait until you're older to do it. And that's why you see people have midlife crises and have all these problems. Like the time to take the risk is when you have nothing to lose.

And I didn't have these huge expectations. I just thought I was going to be rolling them in my kitchen, you know, making a couple hundred bucks every week, selling them to people. And then I started like sharing testimonials, reposting testimonials that people would text me. And it blew up. It just blew up. I started getting all these online orders. And Naomi, you posted about your weight loss. And it just continued blowing up. And we had a 64% like customer retention rate. So 64% of the people who are buying the product were coming back. And it's still that high. Like our retention rate is so freaking high. What were some of the testimonials that people are saying?

Weight loss, craving control, knowing that they're getting nutrients for their kids or people like who, are on medication and they aren't hungry so then they know that they need to get these certain nutrients every day so then they have it they have the blender bombs i'm gonna give one to zaza yeah absolutely yeah i'm going to know it let's see what she says i'm just kidding she can't talk about it's okay she can we communicate with our eyes yeah i bet you do i would love to communicate with zaza's eyes to be honest i think everyone can agree that zaza's got the best size michael thinks they're his eyes no i know i know they're not mine i know for sure those are what does he say when he looks at her He's like, oh, there's me.

Yeah, he's like, oh, there I am. Like, there you are, you beautiful me. I love that. I want to thank me and I want to thank me. Have you ever seen that Snoop Dog video where he's like, I want to thank me for being me. I want to thank me for putting in all this hard world. He's like, I want to thank me for never giving in

and just being me all the time. It's so funny. I mean, it's that text is it to you guys. He was like getting an acceptance speech and literally the entire time all he did was thank himself. It was all time. He reminds me of you. Was he being serious?

Well, I think he was joking, but I think he was also being serious. That's confusing. Okay, Naomi, tell us how you decided to start your company. And talk to me also about, did you use the show to, like, content market? Like, did you know that you were going on the show to launch a business? Or did you not even think that far and you just decided when you were on the show to launch it? Yeah, no. So I definitely didn't think that far because I didn't think it would be a very interesting facet of my life, like, to film.

You know, we ended up filming at the office a few times, but that was never really the idea. idea. How it actually happened was, you know, this is back in the day where people use like to know it a lot and things like that. And somebody, I think it was Landon actually that got me in touch with them and so made an account and all that. And every time I would post something, it would like do really well. And I'm like, wow, people are really buying this stuff. So that's, that's so weird. I would have never expected that. And so, and that was working. And then after I got my nose done, I was like pretty high on painkillers just in New York for two weeks, bored out of my mind. And I was looking at, like to know it stuff.

I'm like, God, I wish I could just directly sell these instead of making these small commissions. And just only stuff, it was supposed to just be stuff I wanted to wear. I would just buy it. And I work with, we created LeBay with my friend Ginny, who was already in retail. And she's been amazing. And she's the one that's working at the office right now while I'm here. Yeah. So it started out as that.

And it was, we were buying not huge quantities, you know, just like kind of normal. And started out profitable. But then when we started figuring out the model. of let's sell really high quantities at a really low margin. So I know 100%, even if we buy from the same vendor or some other store, like 100% of the time, our price will be lower because no one else in the industry really, it's not worth your time to make such a low profit. But if you're selling, you know, 2,000 of something or more, then it makes sense. And so it's all these small little wins that we started having. And yeah, now it's just like works on. It's

own. It's been awesome. What has been like the main piece that everyone's obsessed with? We have like a couple a couple major sellers where we just buy out the manufacturer. One is that scallop dress. You know, it's this black and white dress. Oh, I love that dress. Yeah. Yeah. We've sold so much of it. You would like it. You know what you influenced me to buy? I just remembered this or I would have told you last night. And I don't even know if you remember this. You were at Patricia's party. It was like the last episode, I think, of the season. And you were wearing these pearl earrings with fluff in the front of them. Oh, my God. I got so much shit for those from my friends. They were like, you're wearing furry ears. They're so stupid. They're so chic. I love those. I love that. And you were wearing an outfit that I think was from your company.

Yeah, we sold a lot of that one too. It was called the Galaxy Jump suit. It was black and white, right? It was white and it had like tan lace or so. I don't remember exactly. You looked so, so major. I just remembered that. Shit. I should have worn the earrings last night to dinner. I can't believe you bought the furry earrings. Oh, my God. I saw them. I like zoomed in.

I'm like, because you know I love the detail. No, I like zoomed in. I was like, oh my God, what are those? They're so cute. Yeah, I'm proud of me. So anyone making fun of you, I thought they were adorable and I bought them. She's done good. She's like really learned.

Velocity is the key. But also when you post pictures of yourself, like you've got this amazing physique. You're very efficient. People love seeing pictures of you and you in the clothes. This is what kills me about a lot of clothing. companies, the main picture is of the clothing item on a rack or just it's not on a human. You've got to put the clothing item on a human to be able to sell it. Everyone wants to know how it flows.

They want to know how it fits. It's so important. Even these big retailers, like, I don't know if it's shop-bop or revolve or these big retailers don't have that as her main picture. I think that's why something Navy does so well with her clothing line is you can all, you always can see it on her so you can see what you're dealing with. Yeah. It totally makes people more inclined to buy.

Speaking of kind of that and going with that theme, what is you guys is so social media strategies. When it comes to business. Business. Yeah. So I don't even run LeBaye's social anymore because I don't think that I have a good enough eye. I think I'm too old.

I don't know. But so we have a girl, our marketing girl, Maddie, she runs it. And she, you know, every week gets her theme down. She's very cohesive with what she posts. And consistency is really the best advice. I mean, just like with you and with you, just staying consistent. and putting out honest content. Everything after that is just...

Have you ever read the book Aesthetic Intelligence? I have it. It's just, actually, you know Thomas recommended it to me. That's who recommended it to me too. Yeah, Lauren, I gave it to you to read it. Lauren has it right now. I already was reading it butt naked when I was drooping. But no, I heard it's phenomenal.

I have not yet read it. Yeah, I need to. Because Julia was saying that that's one of the reasons why she started Galmeets Claim and did it the way that she did was because of that book. But I think for a social media, for me, what I found most successful is always answering who, what, when, where, why, and how, you know, probably within three different posts so that it's not

a super long caption, but you always want to answer your customer's questions before they have to ask them and wait on you to reply. That way, you know, everyone wants to buy something all of a sudden. Like when you saw Naomi wear those fluffy earrings, you knew where to buy them, you bought them. But if you didn't know where to buy them, you wouldn't have bought them probably. Hold on. I actually didn't know where to buy the fluffy earrings. I don't think I told. Gower the internet. It took like an hour. Okay. Well, besides that, yeah, the who, what, when, where and why how to me is really important. I get so mad when someone tells me something and I can't find the answer to it. Like I don't want to have to ask someone to answer it for me. Just tell me before.

I think also there's something like going off what you're saying, but also maybe a little bit disagreeing. I think there also is something though about having someone discover it on their own. True. Does that make sense? Like instead of you telling them about it, they actually go and find it, seek it out and find like how I found these earrings on this random like I felt like I did it. So I think like if you mix the two together, like the mystery with what you're saying, and mix it together, people are intrigued. It's like a combination of not shoving something down someone's throat, but also making it

where they have to do a little bit of their own research. I think that's where people get in trouble selling online is they make it too selly. Yeah. That's influence or culture. Like people are just used to getting stuff shoved down their throats constantly. And now I feel like, I mean, as a company and I mean, LaVe spends zero dollars marketing, I think for other companies, it's necessary to have an ad budget. But I would not, I mean, the few times we have tried influencer marketing with people that, you know, had a ton of followers.

And Helen is the same way. It didn't work because these people are overselling. And so people stop listening after a while. And it's not so if it's not something you're really using, wearing, eating every day, people can tell. You know, they know, and they're not going to buy it. It's not, or you might have like a few stragglers, but it's not a long-term strategy at all. It, like, has to be seamlessly integrated into your life. And, like you just said, you actually have to be using it.

And if you're not using it, just don't even talk about it. Yeah. People can smell it. 100%. And I really think that you should now go source those pearl fluffy earrings and sell them. You know what? Where did you find them? Because I got them from a Chinese website for, like, 50 cents.

Exactly where I found them on Chinese website. Mine are 1199, I think, though. Oh, that sucks. I think mine were like a dollar or less. I found them on a Chinese website. I googled like Pearl's. big stud, furry earrings. Normally, big blonde hair. Do you guys know that site? It's like sources, reality TV people's clothing has it, but she didn't have it up there. Okay. So I'm learning so much.

I feel like I'm getting cultured. So what are you going to do next with the show? Are you, are you done with it? Is it over? There's no like going back in any capacity? Yeah, I don't think so. I think that, you know, I'm, I'm so thankful for what the show gave me because it does open a lot of doors and there are a lot of advantages but then it comes a time where when the good doesn't outweigh the bad anymore where it's time to walk away and I personally I feel like I walked away at the time that was right for me and that's how Cam and Chelsea feel too and you know other people that aren't ready to to walk away and want to keep doing it that's that's their prerogative and I'm very supportive of that I still love most of the people you know on their I mean I feel kind of

bad saying. You gotta be honest. I think that I can say I have a strained relationship with Catherine because I struggle with her filming strategy, I guess. But everyone else, I mean, you know, I love Whitney. I love Pat. I even, I get along fine with Craig and Shep. I saw him just the other day. You know, so I have a relationship with pretty much everybody except for for Catherine, I would say. Will Shep get married? No. Never. Why? I really don't think so. Never. I don't know. I just don't think it's wrong with him. That's okay though. Guess what? Why do so many people care if he gets married? I don't. I'm just asking because I feel like a lot of people have that question. I actually don't give a shit if he never gets married. In fact, I hope he doesn't get married. If someone doesn't want to

get married. If I wasn't married to you, I wouldn't be married. Well, that's true. I mean, I've set the bar. I've set the bar so high for you, Lauren, you can't. I get that. I get that. No, I just wouldn't want to be married. Like, I don't know. No, I mean, yeah, I get it. But I think so many people are so concern with that guy getting married. Like sometimes, you know, sometimes people just aren't meant for marriage. I think people want to make the impossible possible. But maybe it's not, maybe it's not broken. Like maybe his way is like, fine. It's like, why do you have to do what everyone else wants you to do? I do wonder about some of the guys. Like I wonder with the long term strategy. Sometimes I watch those guys, unless I don't know them. So who knows, you're going to get mad, but I don't know if they're probably only

listen to this anyway. But like I wonder like what the strategy is because like I think there is something to be said about leaving a party early, any party. Like you never want to be the last person at the bar or the last person at the parties. It's something good to be said about jumping off the ship before it crashes. Yeah, yeah. And you've done it in a way where you have a long-term strategy, where you've built a business and a following and a platform that can be sustainable. But for some people, not just for Southern Charm, but for other shows, you see these guys and girls, you're like, what the hell's the long-term strategy here? The strategy is there is no strategy for most people. And that's why you do hear about so many,

you know, reality stars when all of a sudden, I mean, if the show gets canceled, that's the network's decision. That's just because. And that's what I hate. Yeah. We were talking about this last night, kind of cancel culture and how you want to be able to build something that can't be taken away from you. And the rug can't be ripped out from under you overnight. But that's kind of the position that a lot of people are. And so a lot of reality stars, once their shows end, they end up kind of in these weird, washed up situations or super depressed and really struggling with their identity because they identified so much of their self-worth with a show and getting this kind of fake attention from these fans that,

then, you know, they think really care about them, but all of a sudden just move on to the next thing because that's how it works, you know. So, yeah, the strategy is there is no strategy for some people. But then, you know, I mean, I think, like Patricia has her captains and I think Craig's doing well with his pillows and Cameron is in the process of writing a book, you know, and she would be fine either way, but Chelsea bought her own salon and she's working on her own hair care line and stuff. There's a lot going on. There's just some people, you know, don't, feel the need right then and they don't really have the vision to be like, I got to figure something out for when this is over because this, it will end. You know what it also applies to? And I keep saying

this on this podcast is like if you're like, say, an influencer, a creator that's so reliant on like Facebook or Instagram or YouTube, same thing can happen. Right. You know, it's a bit, it is. It is with reality stars sometimes when you don't have a strategy, a bit astronaut syndrome. It is. It's like, it's like going viral as an influencer. You go viral. And then what happens when you go, you go to two million followers and then you come down to earth and you get depressed because you're not on that high anymore. People should study what happened to actors and actresses in the 60s, 70s, and models, 60s, 80s, 90s, and see, like, there's a very small percentage that actually stretches through the decades and stays successful. I mean, you keep hearing about them, so you just

think it's for everybody. But for every, like, one, you know, Brad Pitt or Leonardo DiCaprio or, you know, Jennifer Aniston or something like that, there's, you know, thousands of people that started and had a little but of steam and then they're just gone. You don't hear about them again. I think the same, you'll see the same thing happen with reality television stars, with influencers, with like anybody that's great. Like you have to be able to, you have to focus on a long-term strategy that builds some protection around and builds a platform that people can't take away from you. Exactly. And also laying down the proper foundation where, you know, you do keep, no matter how attention, whatever show you're on gets or whatever you're doing gets, you need to keep nurturing those

relationships that you've had before. So, you know, your old friends and, and make the effort to text them back, make the effort to go see them because they're the ones that are going to still be there for you instead of all these people that are just kind of like these leeches, you know? And I was telling Helen the other day that's something I'm struggling with now because people that I used to think I was a good judge of character. And there are a few people in my life where I realized maybe they were elite, maybe they weren't. I'm not sure. And so that can be kind of hard. And I'm sure that happens to a lot of people that, you know. Do you think like when you quit the show, you had some people that were hanging around thinking maybe they were going to get on the show and then you're off and now they those people bail on you or like they're not around anymore is that what you're referencing here kind of yeah but in Charleston you know nobody cares about the show like nobody and so and I'm lucky not really no it's all people I mean we forget really about the show until you go to an airport and stuff and then people start coming up to you and you're like oh shit yeah yeah okay but in Charleston people are like whatever because you you know them all you know so that's just chip that's just so and so it doesn't

matter. I didn't watch it until you were on it. Thanks, Ellen. No, I really didn't. I did not even, like, strike my mind. Well, you watched it out of support. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. You and Patricia, though, have been masterminds with what you guys have done. Like, Patricia, to do that caftan line is so genius how she's content marketing. Like, she's, she wears a caftan. Like, you know it. Like, it's a trademark. She's with her martini. I think she should come out with, like, a whole martini shaker situation. I think she should, too. She really has. has such a specific style and she lives, eats, and breeds it. You know, that is her, she is not pretending anything like that.

She has her egg coddler with her newspaper. That was one of the more fun interviews we've done when we went over there and like, she's so entertaining. How beautiful is her house? It's beautiful. And honestly, she's an extremely intelligent woman, right? And I think like, you know, obviously that's seen on the show, but like there's obviously a lot of strategy that's gone into not just what she's doing now, but throughout her entire life.

Her and Whitney. Yeah. First of all, have you guys read her book? I actually haven't and that I need to So good She taught me what potpourri I need to be having I have her orange bitters Popery in my house

Like she talked about sheets She talked about you know Like etiquette tips Are you a wifey now? I'm like you know We're getting there Coasters that you should have Like her book is very very thoughtful

And well written I can see you being like her in a few years I have a question I want to know about something that rhymes with Ramos Radanol. Did I say it's like that? He just had another baby. Is he off the show?

Yeah. Are you, were you happy when he's off the show? Yeah. Yeah, well, just because, you know. A little wild character, though, for television. He truly was reality TV gold. I mean, people like him don't exist. Yeah, that was wild.

That's what got me into the show. That's what got him. I was like, okay, another reality. And then I saw that guy. I was like, what the fuck's going on here? Yeah. He's crazy. I'm like scared when I see him in person,

walk around Charleston. run the other way. Why? I don't know. I just am like scared. So you like see these people walking around Charleston. It's a small town, huh? Oh yeah. All the time. Is he like getting a blender bomb smoothie? Absolutely not. What if he walked in and tried to order? I would walk out. You would walk out. Uh-huh. T-Rab's not allowed to have blender bombs? No, I mean, he can. I mean, order them online. There's a map of Charleston and it's called like the T-Rav ban zone where it's like all these restaurants are highlighted in red where he's been banned and he's not allowed to go. Because he got too drunk?

Yeah, or because he's done something or offended someone or done, because something, some incident has happened. And so these restaurants have been like, okay, we're going to just make a map to show where he's not allowed. His friend JD is a little excited too, huh? I hate that. Yeah, he's, yeah, he's, who, that's a tough crew. Yeah, he's scary. I don't even know if they're still.

Like, how many times have we been walking down the street and, oh, there's Thomas Ravelmanel fighting someone, there he's yelling at some girl. Like, he's just angry all the time. is some of the behavior that is allowed, like, if people were behaving like that in L.A., like it just wouldn't have it. Not that L.A. is this like golden place. Like, I mean, people are doing other things in L.A., but if I did, if I did, I don't plan on being here for too long, but, you know, and there's other wacky things. But I just feel like some of the behavior that these guys get away with in the South, like, it just, you couldn't get away with

it here. Why is that? Why do we let them get away with it? Yeah, we're, that's not, they really don't get away with it anymore. Again, like so many, even restaurants, like companies have band together to be like we don't let these pieces of shit in here anymore. And I mean, I haven't seen or heard or anything about JD in a couple years. I don't even know where he is. And I, I don't care to. But I forgot about him. Yeah. I mean, you know, Thomas got accused of some sexual harassment stuff. And then JD also did. And so when we, when we were filming like, I don't know, a few years ago and I said something to JD because I was really close to his wife, we already knew, like we had heard rumors that all this stuff had happened.

And so, but we couldn't really say it on the show because, you know, it shouldn't have been allowed to fly before, but now I think the one. You can't cheat in 2020 without getting caught. If you're going to cheat, assume you're going to get caught. Yeah, period. So like, that's the bottom line. If you want to cheat, go cheat, but you're going to get caught. I mean, and girls look out for each other so much.

Like when I was out of town pretty recently and Matole, two of his best girlfriends who I love, were out with him in Charleston and they were like all but assaulted by this group of girls like these little 21, 22 year old girls that went up to them and they're like, where's Naomi? And Matole was like, these are just my friends

like, she's out of town. They're like, well, they're hoars. Where's Naomi? And they sent me DMs on Instagram telling me. And Matole was like telling me this just happened. I'm really scared. These fans like really have your back. I'm just kind of concerned. Well, I think, you know, like... Tell the New York story. I don't, I don't like that there's, like,

listen, we give up some privacies with social and everything. But I also think it's a good thing because there's a lot of bad behavior that people, many and women have been guilty of that just can't fly anymore. Like you can't, like, people are going to call you out. You're not going to hide. I don't get these guys that slide into DMs and think that like nobody's ever going to see them or like sending picks. So, you know, what I love about it is you could just fully like be yourself and as long as it's

throw it all out there. And as long as you're like being a good person, it's fine. But if you're a shitty person and you're trying to hide it. Like it will come out. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but it's going to come out. Two things about Charleston. think should be noted. One, it is the only city that I've ever come across where girls are so extremely supportive of each other that it's, it makes me like want to cry thinking about how

supportive girls are of each other there. And then two, the lack of capable men in that city is astonishing. It's true. We should ship Weston out there. Yes, we got a line of girls waiting. Yeah. Weston should go out there. Isn't there a lot more women over there than men? Yeah, it's like six to one is the ratio. I mean, so they say, you know. We feel very blessed to have met. We feel very blessed who have met awesome guys. Yeah. Well, actually, it's not as slow as I thought it was. On that note. Yeah, you and Weston should go out there and see what happens. Okay, so if it doesn't work out, that's like, that's a designated area for me. Can you tell them your New York story? Yeah, but I want to tell us. More than I do this thing when we like do this, it's not like a fantasy,

it's just like a fucked up thing we talk about where we say like if we ever split ways, we try to carve out areas on the map, like in the globe. No, you can't have all France. You can have areas. I have all France. I showed you. I don't give a shit. I have France. See, we do these carve outs. We're like, okay, well, like, you can go there and I can go here, but like, I'll take Aspen. Hopefully. No, you can't take all the good places.

You have to have some shitty places, too. You can go to Oregon. You can have Tucson. Not that I don't love Oregon. You don't need to DM me, but he can have Oregon. You can have Tucson. There's some beautiful places in Oregon, Ben, Oregon. But you can have, uh, too soon.

I guess you can have Antarctica. Yeah. What happened in New York? Oh, no. I mean, same type of thing with your boyfriend is like, I was sitting in this. I was actually with Weston and we were sitting and I was like, hey, there's, I was telling I was these people. I feel like they're staring at us.

No, no, no, no. You text me, you go, we're at the bar. No, I... And these girls are staring at us. They're staring at me. No, no, no. That makes you sound... No, no, that makes you sound like...

No, it was just weird. Like, they were blatantly staring, and I was like, this is weird. So I talked Lauren about it, but it turns out that they were staring, but they were reporting to Lauren. They were like, okay, I see him here. He's here. He's with his guy friend. Don't worry.

He's not doing anything. And I was like, okay, can't mess around. No one was looking at you for any other reason, other than to tell me, so don't get any ideas. literally text you that it was happening. So it's not like I was like sneaking around. Okay, what are some productivity hacks that you guys do? Do you have any hacks? Like, do you listen to a podcast while you fold the laundry? What a good transition, Lauren. Well, I want to know productivity hacks. We've had enough of you. Do you know anything about human design? Okay. I love human design. Think about it like the intergram, but the intergram is more personality, right? Yeah. So human design is, I would say, about

productivity and about how you work best. And it's super woo-woo. But we call this Houn's woo-woo. 20% woo-woo, 80%, you know, I'll read studies and make sure it's legit. But you, it's a website called jovianarchive.org or dot com. And you enter your day to birth, the city you were born in, the time you were born, and it puts you into like these five categories. And I am a projector. And so I'm most productive when I only work three or four hours a day. Whereas Naomi's a generator. And majority of the people in the world, like 70% of the population is a generator, you can either be a manifesting generator or a regular generator, and they're the type of people who have, I would say, more energy. So, and whether it's with work or life, but you're,

you're always doing something, you're always cleaning. You're always doing your hair or you're always doing my hair. You're always doing something. And I could not be happier just sitting here watching like a bird fly out the window and working my ass off for like three or four hours a day. Where do you go and take this test? This is a site? It's online. We can do it for sure. Yeah, I want to know what both of you guys are. But I love it. So. There's four types, right? I think someone's talked about this on the show before, in the past, and not in detail. You're right, Garrett McNamara's wife. Yes, that's exactly.

I love it. I swear by it. So I use it for all my employees. I have them all do the test, and that way I see how productive they are, if they would rather work from home or if they need to be, like, surrounded by people a couple days a week, and it's worked flawlessly. And so for the first part, when I first started getting into it, I had Scott. I did the test for Scott, because we worked together too, and I got his birthday wrong. So I was, like, treating him like a generator, like having these high expectations, and he just could never do it.

But once I started realizing he was a projector like me, my whole mindset changed about his productivity. What are the four again? There's the generator. A man-pest and generator, reflector, which is only one person in the population. And Naomi's best friend's a reflector, it was really exciting. What's a reflector again? What is the characteristics? So they have to make decisions, big decisions, like every new moon cycle. So I make decisions instantly. And Naomi has to sleep on it. I have to sleep on it, too.

Just one night, though. I have to sleep on it. One night and then I make the decision. But this is like buying a house. Like I need to sleep on it one night. It's not like random little decisions. Yeah, bigger decisions. I know like immediately.

And then there's projector. Yeah. That's it. Is there anything else I'm forgetting? I can't wait to see what you are. Yeah. And so what's crazy is when I was in. What's the site where you do it?

I'm going to have Taylor pull it up because I just want to look at it. Taylor. Yeah. Jovianarchive.org or it's jovianarchive.com and it's with a J. But when I was in Big Sur in November, I walked into this little smoothie cafe. I was there by myself doing some work. And Scott was driving the coast and in walks Emma Watson. And there's no one else in there.

Emma Watson, her hairstylist and like two other people. And they come and they sit, there's probably eight tables in there. And they come and they sit at my table. So obviously I'm eavesdropping on their conversation. And they were talking about something super woo-woo. So I interjected. I was like, have you guys heard of human design? And they were like, we actually just left Sedona last week.

We did a week-long seminar or like a something in. Yeah, that's it. So you would click on get your free chart. They'd just done like a week-long thing on human design. And she's a projector too, like me. Oh, we're going to do this. We're going to do this stuff. How long does it take to do?

10 seconds. Do you know what time of day you're born? Yeah, let's do it. I don't know what time of day I was born. Well, that's important. You got to ask your mom. Do you know, Lauren? I know what time was born. All right, let's do it for Lauren.

Let's do it for Lauren. Get your free chart, and then you have to do it in military time. So you can just write. What time were you born, Lauren? I was born at 3.19 a.m. Okay, so that's 319. So name and then. All right, Taylor, run through this.

So it's her name. Obviously, don't need to tell you that, Taylor. Did you see how quick this person is? What's going on back there? Are you using your fist to bang the keys? Is this your birthday in here? You're feeling a little fisty. So I'll walk you through it.

You can write Lauren as the name. It's L-A-U. Is the computer frozen? You're on name. Oh, look at what we're seeing on the screen though, Taylor. Is this thing not working? Look at it. We can't even see anything.

Oh, I don't know why it's not working. Oh, there we go. Let's not write my last name. That's like we don't need to do that. Need it? Let's not give the deep web. Why don't you write my social? So what's your birthday?

52186. So you would put 21 for the day. I didn't know this was going to take like like dripping as slow as molasses. I just thought this was like a quick thing, Taylor. What are you doing back there? I'm talking. Don't look at that. I think is lagging.

Close out. Close out porn hub in the corner. Yeah. What do you do? Are you ruining all the servers here? Beating your meat. No, I'm on hour. And zero three for the hour.

Oh, you're on hour. 0.3? Yeah. Zero three. In what minute? On 19. And then country, you're going to type in U.S. Where are you born?

U.S.A. Denver. So type in USA-Dash Colorado and it'll pop up. And for the city, just write Denver. Yeah. Okay. Here it goes. That's all it is. Wait, what do you think?

Can you predict? Projector. Is that the most common? Or like a generator, but I don't know. I think. Reflector, dude, I'm going to freak out. You're the 1%. You're the 1% of the world.

Of the world. Of course. So excited. Of course. Can we read about it? Okay. This makes me so happy. You have no idea.

Is it a reflector that we know? Um, your friend. Which one? Of course, you're in the 1% Lauren of the reflectors. Oh, Jamie. Yeah. Oh, so you're a weirdo kind of. Yeah.

You can take on anyone else's energy. So you're, I'm like, this is me. This is, everything's white. Everything's clear. So I have like five or six felt in, but yours is empty. So who you're with, you'll take on the energy. That's why you have to be super, super protective. That's why you get so exhausted.

God, that literally is me. Oh, you get so tired. Yes. That's so interesting. I do take on people's energy. You can never compare yourself to anyone else. Like, that's one really important thing is you can't compare your morning or TV. What are we reading here, though?

I can't tell what I'm reading here. I know because I have to explain it to you. Yeah, she has to explain it. Yeah. So, let's see. Scroll up a little bit. Well, this is much more complicated than I thought. Scroll up.

I know. I'll send you some of the Instagram things about it. Enough about me. What do you think about me? Wait a whole lunar cycle, so you've got to wait 28 days. Stop looking at me. Your profile is. Your profile is, which is what my profile is. I don't even remember, but there's probably like nine different profiles and your disappointment. So mine is frustration and I think Naomi's his anger.

So when things aren't going right, I get super frustrated, Naomi will get angry and yours is disappointment. Great. I know. I'm not mad at you. We'll talk about this later. Michael's ecstatic. Can I text you a picture of Michael's later tonight? Yeah, this makes me so happy. Why?

You're 1%. That's so cool. It's very rare for anyone in their whole life to meet a reflector. Really? Yeah. And so here's what's crazy is I've maybe asked 15 people to ever take this test, and three of them have been reflectors. I bet you Zaz is a reflector. I told Michael the other day, I said, I just want to tell you about this baby.

I said, this baby is very sensitive to energy. He doesn't believe me. I'm like, I'm telling you for her whole life, she's going to have to be protective of her energy because I watch her and people drain her energy, they take her energy. Yeah. Does it like explain so much about you? Oh, I mean, I don't know if this is, is this like real? Is this true? I think it is. I think it's 100% real, but that's me going to go with my head. Even if it's not, she's going to run with it now for the rest of her life. She's going to say she's one percent of whatever. I'm exhausted. Okay. I've been reflecting. I think it's cool because I haven't

asked that many people to take the test, but it's like a certain person who I'm like, I know this will resonate with them. And for three out of the 15 to be reflectors, when 1% of the population is a reflector, that's pretty cool to me. Sorry, Michael. DBJ, motherfucker. Well, I don't know if you need to,

I mean, maybe it's a good thing for me. I don't know. What is your best piece of advice that each of you can leave our audience with? Like, something that you look to a lot. Like maybe a mantra or just maybe something your dad taught you. What's your best piece?

Life is a game. God, that's so much better than what I was going to say. You got. Is that yours? Because I feel like, I don't know, I have a couple. But I can't choose. Okay, well, why she's thinking of her couple, can you tell us why life is a game? Because just give us a little background on that. Yeah, so we talked about this last night, everybody. But when I was in Costa Rica, I think it was two years ago, it was my first time ever going out of the country. I was with Scott. And we did ayahuasca. So it was an awesome ceremony. We had the shaman. We held the whole works. It probably took about 10 hours. And before I went to Costa Rica, I was talking to a. girl who I was working with as my life coach, and I told her I was really interested in ayahuasca.

I had never really thought about before I talked about it. I actually heard about it first on y'all's podcast. She was like, okay, well, you know, if you're going to do ayahuasca, Costa Rica is a great place to do it. I wouldn't recommend doing it in America. She didn't know anybody. I'm sure there's some great people, but she didn't know anybody. And so when we get, we were staying at, this starts with an age. It's a nozara Costa Rica. It was amazing. But it was offseason. There weren't that many people there. And we met these two girls, and they had just done I was going to night before. I don't know how it came up, but it came up. Probably because I knew I was like 20% woo-woo. And I was like, I'm going to do it. And so I pay-piled this woman, you know, $600.

And Scott and I drove up that night with these two girls to a shaman's house, 20 minutes in the mountains. And I walked in and it was this beautiful room. There was 15 or 20 different mattresses laying and this shaman kind of went through this whole two-hour ceremony to get us in the right headspace to do the ayahuasca. She was very, very particular about the details about what she was saying, all the instruments she was playing. Scott said he was freaked out, but I loved every second of it. So this shaman goes around, gives everyone the first dose of ayahuasca, and she asks if everyone's like happy, that they're feeling it. I couldn't feel it. So I ended up getting four rounds of ayahuasca, which is crazy. And I was expecting to have this huge moment where like, you know, I spoke to one of my

grandparents or I just figured out my life's purpose or anything like that. But I think I was looking too hard for something. What I got out of it and what kept coming to me over and over again during the 10 hours was that life is just a game. So I'd take that and I'd run with it. I just don't, we don't take anything too seriously. It's not worth it. It's not worth the cortisol. Life is a game. Life is just a game. Naomi, what's yours? God, I mean, following on that up is hard. But I think, I think the number one thing I've learned in the last probably two years or since I've been working on my own is that whatever you want out of your life and whatever it is that you want to project of yourself, even if you don't believe it yet

but you, you know, you just kind of fake it until you make it. People will project it back to you and then you'll start believing it. And so I think it's so important, even if you don't feel confident or you don't truly believe in yourself yet, to at least convince yourself or pretend at first. And then eventually, that muscle will start to believe that, you know, what you're doing is important. And you then all of a sudden you've created your own kind of destiny or your own job and your own life in realizing that you almost, you know, you came this close to waiting on other people to do it for you when really all you had to do is do it yourself. I want everyone do everything for me. But you know what I mean? Like, if that isn't the theme of this podcast, create your own future,

all these people we've had on, like you guys, you've totally fit with the theme of creating your own future. You guys have both done that in a beautiful way. So, you. Where can everyone find you separately pimp yourself out? Tell us, like, the websites, like if you want to do any discounts, go ahead, whatever you want to do. Yeah, you can go first. Oh, yeah. So, like, Insta, my Insta's Naomi O'Lindo. There's an E at the end of Naomi. The website for, from my company, is shoplaube.com. It's shop, L-A-B-E-Y-E. A lot of people pronounce it Labai or Labia, like whichever works for you. That's fine. And then we'll do a discount. We'll do, let's, I don't know, 25% off code skinny. Perfect. Yeah. And your insta handle is at Shop LaBea, too. Yes.

You got to look at Instagram because the clothes look really good on her. Yeah, the Instagram is so good. You guys, you can see the clothes in action. Yeah. And then my personal is at Hush Up and Hustle. and then the business is at Blender Bombs and the website's Blenderbombs.com. And same thing. We can do 20% off code skinny. Well, you're just 25 minus 20. That's amazing. If I lived in Charleston, I feel like we would hang out.

Well, we'll come back. Next time we come back. We've got to do. I might move. You guys have to come stay with us. I'm a reflector. Well, last time, you know, we just kind of hit all the bars and ran around and did a bunch of debauchous things.

We are our neighbors. We live right next to your other friends. And so we all live in the same area. So you really guys should come. It's so fun. Not in the summer. It's too hot. But the fall is good.

What's the best time to come? Like October, September, October. Come in October. Yeah. Okay. You know we're going to be over that way during that time. We don't need your whole like story. Well, you're talking to your life story.

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