The Bossticks - Spencer Pratt - No Holds Barred, Reality Secrets, & Why Nothing Is Unwritten Now

Episode Date: September 13, 2021

#391: On today's episode we are joined by the one and only, Spencer Pratt. Spencer joins the show today for a no holds barred conversation.  In typical Spencer fashion he let's us know what really goes on in the world of entertainment. What it was like during the heyday of Hollywood celebrity fame, and how he has evolved since then. We also discuss the return of The Hills and the part he plays for that show.  To connect with Spencer Pratt click HERE To connect with Lauryn Evarts click HERE To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM To Call the Him & Her Hotline call: 1-833-SKINNYS (754-6697) This episode is brought to you by The Skinny Confidential  The Hot Mess Ice Roller is here to help you contour, tighten, and de-puff your facial skin and It's paired alongside the Ice Queen Facial Oil which is packed with anti-oxidants that penetrates quickly to help hydrate, firm, and reduce the appearance of fine lines and wrinkles, leaving skin soft and supple. To check them out visit www.shopskinnyconfidential.com now.  This episode is brought to you by No Days Wasted Their hero product is called DHM Detox, which is the vitamin for people who like to enjoy their drinks. It's designed to help you bounce back the next day. Get 20% off your order and free shipping in the US. Just head over to www.NoDaysWasted.CO/SKINNY and use promo code "SKINNY" at checkout This episode is brought to you by Skillshare. Skillshare is an online learning space offering more than 25,000 courses. Join the millions of students already learning on Skillshare today with a special offer just for our listeners: Get two months of Skillshare for free. That's right, Skillshare is offering The Skinny Confidential listeners two months of unlimited access to over 25,000 classes for free. To sign up, go to www.skillshare.com/skinny This episode is brought to you by BETABRAND and their Betabrand dress pant yoga pants. To try these pants go to betabrand.com/skinny and receive 20% off your order. Millions of women agree these are the most comfortable pants you'll ever wear to work.  Produced by Dear Media 

The following podcast is a dear media production. She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire. Fantastic. And he's a serial entrepreneur. A very smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you along for the ride. Get ready for some major realness. Welcome to the skinny confidential, him and her.

I had like, I guess my ear to the street. Like, I could feel like you guys are all out. Like, we're done. Like, this is a wrap. Like, Jersey Choir is white. us out. Like, I felt that because I didn't have the, like, ego and like, in the sense of I had been, like, super loved. Like, ooh, like, I had the ego, like, for what I earned and created, but I didn't have, like, a false sense of reality. Like, I did, because I was hated. I was the bad guy.

You know, a lot of things were happening. But that was another of kids were like, were like, were you really going crazy? And it's like, yeah, I was about to lose millions. Like, the next deal was so many more millions. Like, like, yeah. Like, this was my life. And I was. spending it all because pre-Jurzy short, it was not going anywhere. It was going to be season 12, not season six. So, welcome back to the skinny confidential him and her show. This is a long awaited and very anticipated episode. I'm surprised it took us this long to do it. I'm surprised it took us this long to sit down with our guests today. He is Spencer Pratt. He is no holds barred. He is outspoken. He is honest. We had a lot of fun with this one. And I'm surprised that it took

us again this long to do this. And in this episode, the rest is not unwritten. Okay, we got the, we got the rest of the story. We got the whole story. We're looking at the whole pie here, not just a slice. What I personally like about Spencer is that he is unapologetically himself and he tells it how it is. And sometimes I think people take it abrasive, but he's not, it's not abrasive. He's just being honest. It's rare. And listen, we do this a lot now, almost 400 of these episodes. talking to all sorts of different people, all sorts of different walks of life. It's rare to get somebody that comes in, bears it all, is not afraid to be himself, speaks his truth, is not afraid to speak his truth. They make, honestly, they make the best guess. They make the best people.

Yeah. I think that a lot of the people that come on podcasts are usually guarded or they have PR people. And so to have someone come in and just lay it all on the line is super refreshing. I actually met Spencer when I was in, I think I was in 12th grade in high school. We went to Cabo and we partied with him there. I think he was just launching the show, Princess of Malibu. And he kicked my friend down the stairs at Squid Row. True story. That's another podcast. And I wish, and I remember vividly because I was laughing so goddamn hard. We told him that. I don't do it. Was that in the episode? I don't know, but we told him that when he came in the studio. All right. Let's introduce Spencer. Spencer Pratt is an

American reality television personality. You may know him from the Hills. I know I watched. He was dating Heidi Montag, who was one of the main stars of the show. He ended up getting married to her on television. I know you guys have watched The Hills. I feel like everyone has. He was also on the American version of I'm a celebrity, get me out of here. I loved, loved, loved him on that show. I feel like they had to eat all different kinds of bugs. Now he has a very popular podcast. He's also one of the stars. He's also one of the stars of the Hill's New Beginnings. He's a father. He's a husband. Let's welcome Spencer Pratt to the Skinny Confidential, him and her show. This is the skinny confidential, him and her. We have someone in studio that I have harassed for probably a year to come on the podcast because he is so candid.

You guys are freaking out in my DMs, Spencer Pratt. Wow. What a thank you for that intro. Yeah, shout out on you at Bell Campo, my new manager, who was recently on your podcast and was like, Svenzer, you need to go on this podcast. And I was like showing her my text messages with you. Like, no,

I know. I'm like, we're going to. Like, this is so big. This is like, perfect alignment. I was like,

and she never told me to do anything before. I was like, besides like how to cook the steak good. And so it was okay. We clear my search. I'm not at the zoo or not the zoo. I'm not at the museum with Gunner and Heidi. And Gunner is obsessed with dinosaurs.

That's how big today is. Oh, that's not. No, I feel bad. No, we're going to go a lot. We're going to go a lot. He loves dinosaurs. Before we get into the episode, what's your Belcampa order? Oh, well, I eat in at the Santa Monica one always. So my order is the bone and tomahawk, the cauliflower rice, the brocolini, animal fat fries. And I start with a bone broth with half beef, half poultry.

Oh, my God. I know he's very specific with his orders. If you watch the show too with your burritos, like you tell. Oh, no. That's what I'm. Yeah, but I am sick of being the food person. I want to get back to like being like, oh, he's a hell. healthy person. Look at it. That's a healthy guy. I'm on a journey. Today was one of my first days. I didn't

have a breakfast burrito, the Pratt Dought Doughty Brito at Arawan, only because I got there too late. What is in the Pratt Dottie burrito at Airwan? So it's the bacon breakfast burrito. But the hack, really, it's how this happened is if you're in a hurry, the Arawan burritos are incredible to just grab and go. But like, if you're a real breakfast burrito person, it's like to go food. You know, it's not. So I was always like, yeah, I get the bacon breakfast room. They're like, oh, here it is. I'm like, no, I want a fresh one. They're like, oh, no, but we have these.

I'm like, so my hack was, oh, I want a biodynamic avocado in there. So now they're making it fresh for me and it's hot. And so then I started using the air one habanero hot sauce. I would buy a bottle of it. Right now it's currently out of stock. And it's the first time I was upset. I became a micro influencer. But somebody DM means that I'm actually an influencer according to my numbers.

but I was calling myself a micro-influencer, but I promoted this hot sauce, and it's now sold out everywhere. So this is my doing, because it was never, you know, sold out, and it has nothing to do with probably being hard to get organic habaneros. But long story short, that's how it was created. So it is the bacon, airwine breakfast room with avocado,

and it comes with the habanour hot sauce on the side, which usually you have to buy a $20 bottle to even get that. So, I mean, it's incredible. I bought it, and I'm taking it to Texas. So, yeah, like, I totally agree with you. And I've tried all the hot sauces. It's not like I don't know hot sauce. And the fact that it's, you know, organic and biodynamic, all wins.

I know. Airwans the best, but it's so expensive. What's the best burrito that's not expensive? People say that. It's like I used to shop at Gelsons. Gelsons is expensive. You're right. You're right.

If you want organic, grass fed, if you want to eat clean and healthy, you're spending money. Maybe it's a couple dollars more. I also, the energy of like-minded vibe people and the oras I interact with, it's worth it. So that's where I'm at with that. One thing that I have always wanted to talk with you about, and I've seen it after watching the hills. I thought you're going to say Kaaba. Not Kaaba. Kauvel we talked about off air.

Spencer and I met when we were 17 years old in Kaabo, but that's a different story. Story for a different day. Story for a different day. That's for the Patreon that's coming soon. That's for the Patreon that Michael has to watch you. And I sat off to the corner a lot. Allegedly, allegedly, allegedly, allegedly. Enough times past.

No, the limitations passed. Okay, he tricked. Michael kicked him down the stairs. I would have kicked him if you didn't. It was self-defense. So you're a really good dad. And no one, I feel like, ever asks you about this. You're probably one of the best dads I've ever seen.

Did that come natural to you? My dad is like the greatest dad. And that's why I was always so worried about being a parent. I felt like I couldn't be, like my dad is like the nicest. is he's like out of a black and white TV show like leave it to beaver level a good dad so I grew up with such high expectations of like oh my god I can't be that selfless and I'm still not even my dad's level you know I'm still a pretty selfish person but so that was always challenging but I had that to grow up with and be like oh my god like I know what a good dad is like so that is

where I feel like I give credit to skipper on that one and then also to just once you're, for some people, I don't know, maybe other people, but for me, once you're a parent, like, oh my God, like, it just changed my life so much that it actually came natural because it's like, this is all I care about now. And I've done so many things wrong in my life selfishly that I'm like so excited to have an opportunity to like do a redo and not have my son do things that I want to do, but like what don't do, like I wish I, you know, my dad was great, but he definitely. let me, he was busy. He's like works from 6 a.m. to 7 p.m. or night, I got to go through,

do a lot of things that I probably shouldn't have done that I'm going to be able to, you know, advise my son not to do just from just life. So that I'm more excited about. Do you guys have like a morning or nighttime routine? I feel like you seem like you're always with him. Like you're always hanging out. Yeah, every night, you know, so he has to eat by like six is late. So we try to have him in that he has a bath or a shower. He's more than a bath. Yeah, he's in the bath every night by six goals to have him in bed by seven, minimum three books.

I go hide in his room under like a blanket. And even though he knows I'm there, he's like, where's dad and comes in? And he finds me. And then like Heidi reads one or I'll read one or should read two. We like argue because these books are getting longer. And it's like, I feel like I'm now at school. I'm like, not this book again.

This is the longest book ever. So, and then he's usually, you know, hopefully out by eight. And then we ask, like, who do you want to stay for extra minute? And it's like, and then he'll say like, mom, you're daddy. And then we stay there, like, as he falls asleep. And then we go upstairs and drink lots of wine. We're in the one and a half year old stage, which is a lot. I would say it's, I, and people told me this.

It's like, oh, it's so easy when they're baby. I'm like, what the hell are you talking about? Like, no, it's not. like from like birth to three is the easiest thing ever when they're three like the terrible twos didn't exist. I was like, oh, two terrible twos, this is easy. Three is like, this kid thinks they are 25 years old and should get their own condo and it's mind bogg. And they're like if you have a strong boy, like I'm scared of kind of like he will like he's

scary. Like don't hit me please. So I would just say appreciate how. easy it is right now. That's what I keep telling everybody with. I'm like, oh my God, look at that cute easy baby. Because you can also still be like, we're going to blah, blah, blah. And that's it. Like, I'm obsessed with Mexican food. Don Antonio's is like my, I don't get to eat Don Antonio's anymore because Gunner's like, we're not going. It's because you want it that he's not saying he doesn't want. He doesn't eat Mexican food. I've never been there. Neither is Michael. And I always

see it on the show and I'm like, I need to try this place. Well, you won't be taking Gunner. And so that's For example, like as a baby and like, you know, one and a half, two, like, we're going to an idol. You're going to sit there and, you know, it is what it is. But once it's like, and then it becomes like, it's not worth the fight. Like, I don't want Don Antonio's anymore. You know, obviously we could be like, we're in charge. But it's like, you know, we've tried that a couple times.

It's like, was that a fun meal? No. Yeah, that's always, it's always hard when it's on a fun meal. I was thinking about you and all in this context. Like, even like going back to the, like the first time we ever saw you met briefly. And like, this was before everything. It was before the hills. Before you were on television.

It was before everything. And I was thinking about like how much has happened for you and to you and with you since then. Like when you look back on your life and your career, you're like, does it kind of like boggle your mind sometimes? Like it's all the things that you guys have been through. Summer is here. The drinks are flowing. And we have you covered with no days.

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beach houses and the, like the houses I used to party. And I still don't even get to go in now as an adult. Like, because these, you're, like, is way past my, you know, demo, say, you know, so I grew up in like a, like, I used to watch cruel intentions. I always remember, I'm like, we're, I'm not always killing these movies. movies because they don't have the budget to really like experience what I did. So if I'd add like an iPhone, it could have just flexed off of like my social circles world. I would have been one of these famous kids already at pre-television. So that's always frustrating knowing like how much clout I could have had like based off of what's famous now. Like outfit wise and every just so

much budget in my brand, because I'm now just a brand. I'm famous for like, so all the lost years of trips and lifestyle and private jets. And even then when Heidi and I were living, like, yeah, we spent millions of dollars, but we didn't get to show it. So it would have been worth it if all that was Instagram posts, YouTube channel. Because I know you're savvy. You would have figured out, like, if you could have shared all that, you would have found a creative way to like really share that, monetize that building up. Brody and I would have been, like, I hate to say the same. out loud and be like, ew, you'd run and beat them, but good for those millionaires. Like, Jake Paul and Logan Paul, if we'd had a YouTube, like, we would have murdered their

level. Like, if these guys make 15 million for a fight, like, there's, there would have been definitely 15 million worth of people wanting to fight me, like, money wise alone. In a weird way, when I think of you, like, you've played that part of, and I don't think you're like this in my life, but you've played that part of the, you know, you're a polarizing character that draws attention. Like, and you know how to do it in a way, or you've done it in a way that keeps people's attention and like not in a harmful way. Does that make sense?

Yeah, no. It's I give David Foster, shout out David Foster, Prince Malah. He would always tell me be Simon Cowell. And I always, and I was like,

okay, Dave, like at this time, this guy's got 15 gram. He's the biggest house ever seen in my life and a smart guy and he's telling me be Simon Cowell. But if I ever see Dave Foster again,

I'd be like, one thing I keep telling people is he never realized, no, but people hated. Simon Cali for speaking the truth. Like, you can't just be like a reckless villain. So that's the hard balance of like playing the villain without like context.

Yeah. You know, like I was just like, oh. And then like you're saying, like I was supposedly this hated guy because all this drama on the hills, whatever, it wouldn't even hit the radar in 2021. Like that, there was just nothing on TV then. There was no drama. There was no Instagram. There was no social media.

People didn't get to post their own drama. that wasn't ticked. So I wouldn't even hit the radar nowadays. So it is a blessing that I did even get to hit the radar. Yeah, that's, I look back in my life and that's the one thing that frustrates me is that I didn't get to film it all. Like these kids get to make, like David Doberich, like I all do respect him. I just watched this new vlog last night.

I'm like, this is great. But it's like, if I could film the people in my life that, like, that I know that like it's my, like back then, you know, like when we signed Cabo, if that Cabo trip was a vlog. So I just look at now what is monetized and what I missed out on. You know, it is what it is. And I think I'd rather have been a famous television star than a famous YouTuber because I got to feel real fame, which when it existed, I don't even think it's really anymore. What was real fame? Because you guys were on the cover of every magazine. You were everywhere. You couldn't look away. Real fame was like what I wanted,

which didn't exist when I came in reality TV was only for A-list movie stars. And we hacked into that game with the prolification of tabloids getting so crazy. And right when TMZ was hitting and Perez and Pink is the Nubla, all these digital things. So real fame was literally, you know, yeah, I used to call the paparazzi on myself. But also if we went where we know there would be pop-a-Rotsie, even if it wasn't just for us, but there would be 50 pop-rotsie. There was times when we drive and there'd be eight cars full of pop routes. Like, real fame was that level of just crazy.

And yeah, this is when Us Weekly magazines were selling. Like Heidi has the record most sales of an Us Weekly cover. And it was like, why Spencer betraying me or why I changed my, like the silliest title ever, but did like 1.8 million sales in a week, like actual physical sales in market. Like that's a platinum plus album if you look at like pop music. So that was so much fun. And like I don't, so I don't think I would trade if you like. I don't think people can contextualize it nowadays, especially if you're younger and didn't

see that in those days because you're right. You guys were the first kind of people to break through to that like traditional A-list talent and break in and like get the same type of attention. Actually, if not more, right? And now if you think about people on reality television, like they're not getting near that type of attention. It's because they're too, it's too saturated. Like they're posting their outfits that we then. see in the show and they're too accessible.

I just had that conversation saying that that's what also ruined A-listers. Like, A-listers are too accessible. They wouldn't back when I used to study and be obsessed with fame, like, that wouldn't even be a possible, like, just the commercials they take, the advertisements

they do, just the checks that are like a real famous person now takes would never exist in the 90s, early 2000s. And then with reality, like when the hills is popping, they're literally was only like Survivor, the Bachelor at, or Bachelor Priet being like a cultural phenomenon. It was just like, like it was on back then, I think, but I never even heard of it. Like it was, but it was there like real world. So there was 10 shows, you know, so that was also

the difference on, you know, and there was nothing shot like a, like a movie the way they did shoot the hills with the hit music. I mean, I think the licensing music on an episode a week was like a hundred grand they were spending and the hits. So yeah, that was, you know, again, it was real fame in the sense that it was negative. I'm not saying. I'd be like, but now like, this smart guy, this marketing podcast, I just went on, this guy. I was like, man, should I be blocking all these, like, because now I get tagged in things and I just want to block people because Cameron was rapper on World Star was like, I blocked 200,000 people like, and I got me all pumped up. Like, I'm blocking everyone also. And then he was like, don't. He's like, attention is currency.

So I realized that I got to block less people. But yeah, we didn't get monetize even that level of hate because there weren't so many now with the influencer world and how many brands want to tap into that. We didn't even make the money that we should have for that level of attention we were getting. You know, like our income was the show selling paparazzi photos, appearances in Vegas. Brand wise, like the amount of products I should have been every day like hustling that. And your own product. Yeah, well, 100%. We just had Nick Ritchie on yesterday.

I don't know if people. Yeah, I remember him. It was kind of like same time, like it was kind of the same time span where he said this thing. Right. Yeah. And he's like, I couldn't monetize because it was just in that period of time. I mean, he should have been barstool. That's what he was saying yesterday.

Oh, my God. He was having the same frustration. 100%. People don't realize about you, though. To me, you seem like a producer first. Well, with the Princess of Malibu, I was a producer and I got played so hard. It's my fault. So I was the youngest executive producer on network television.

I was 20 years old, day one of filming for Fox. I have my walkie-talkie that said, Spencer, with my earpiece. And they were filming Brody and his brother. And I was like, this is the coolest day ever. And then the new producer, Executive Bruster, that just joined after, like, Brody and I actually filmed it all summer, like the, that's sold. He comes in. He's like, no, you get on camera, you know, and stir it up.

And I'm like, I got my walkie-talkie. He's like, no, you still get your walkie-talkie. It's like, I got play. You know, like, I didn't get jumping in front of that camera was it for my life. You know, it was literally like in The Matrix, I took the pill without realizing I was taking the pill. Like, I was just like, oh, this will help make the show better. But there was no, nobody had ever done reality TV.

So you didn't know you were like polarizing yourself and putting yourself in a box, which, you know, it is what it is. And it helped, you know, I found Heidi through reality TV. Da-da-da-da. And my life, if you'd ask me. in high school, like what I was going to do, I would have been like a director, a producer, a studio executive, an agent, a man, like those were all the jobs that I was planning on being. But you kind of, like, when I look at it, you did do a lot of producing in a weird way on the

first time of the hills. And I feel like you got the cast back together on the second time. So the, when I came into the hills, the reason, the only reason I came on the hills is because Prince of Malba got canceled because Brody's mom filed for a divorce the night after our premiere episode after 20 years of marriage, perfect timing. She told Brody and I, don't worry, you'll get another network television show. You're smart boys. Well, you did. No, not network.

Not a network. I knew we were never going back on Fox after The Simpsons with the relaunch of Family Guy with our sponsor, McDonald's and Coca-Cola. No, I knew that was a moment in time, Linda. But I've forgiven you and I unblocked you. So then my mom, so I go back to USC because I left school to do the princess and I was like, I'm going to do this. And now I go back to SC and I'm home from college for a day. My mom's best friend and her are watching this show.

And they're like, Spencer, have you seen this show? And Lucy, my mom's best friend. It was like, you should date this girl and point said, Heidi. Like, what show is this? And they're like, oh, it's from Laguna Beach. And I was like, oh, I know Laguna Beach. Okay, it's the spin-off. And I'm looking at the credits coming in.

I see executive producer of Sean Travis. I'm like, what? That fool just worked for me. Like, I literally was there for the day. We like hired Sean Travis. I had a cell phone number. I'm like, you have a new show on MTV and you didn't put Brody on and he's like, oh, Spencer, no, no. This is a set cast from this spinoff. Like, I can't like put you on. I'm like, yeah, you can. And he's like, no, it's not like that. I was like, where are you filming? He's like, we're filming on. He's like, well, I'll see you in the club pool. And so I call Brody. I'm like, we need to get on this show. And he's like, what show? I'm like, what show? I'm like, Like it's in Hollywood.

It's called like The Hills. Because the first season didn't even hit like a Richter of like, like Tony DeSanto, anyone that's like, you should thank Lauren Spencer, Bella. I do thank Lauren. Great. But that's LC, right? Not you.

And but you DM Tony DeSanto, the president MTV, and he will tell you the Hills was getting canceled until Brody and I came in. That's a fact. So it's like, no, she should thank me. So mutual. I thank you and you can thank me. So I called Brody and I'm like, we need to pull up on this show.

And he's like, how are we going to do it? I'm like, call Jared Najar. Small world, Jared's dad was Big Papa from Kim Zosiac, like which I connected later. And I'm like, she really did have a big papa because Jared is the guy we called because Jared could drop 50 grand cash, buy up all the tables. So we bought up all the tables, the area to went on a filming night. Like we rolled up like.

I forgot about that place. And I'm like, what's up now, Sean? Like, we got all the tables. Like, we're on camera now. And he's like, Spencer, you can't be doing this. And so then that gets kind of like put on, like, that's our in. And then Kristen is dating Brody at the time. Like, this is the summer right before season two.

So we put Sean on blast. Like, we could pull up whenever we want to get on your show. But that didn't really like get us in the way that we were planning. So then Kristen introduced me to Heidi. And then Heidi and I were like, a thing. a minute, but Heidi was like a player. Like people are always like, the way the show, if it was nowadays, they would show Heidi as the player that she was versus then it was like, let's make Spencer, but that wasn't

the actual case. Like, yeah, she says, oh, you had all these girls like, you had just as many guys as you were dating. So she was a player, changed her phone number on me back when you had to like go to a store and do it, which I took very first. I was like, she like literally went to like Verizon or AT&T and like physically changed the phone number. so I couldn't text or whatever because I forget why.

Something on a dance floor. She said, I had a move called the Cabo and she said she saw me do the Cabo. I might have seen you do it. Yeah, like, it was a famous dance. It was like nowadays. It would be a TikTok dance nowadays. I can't do it. My back would go out now.

Sometimes she's like, do the Cobbo. I'm like, a heart attack. So that didn't happen. And then so I started plotting with like Adrenna was like not. down with Heidi. Like they weren't friends. Like she's always been a snake like she is now. And so she was down to like make it look. I don't know if she thought I was for real, but like my agenda was like just make drama for the show. Like oh, I'll show up with you. But I don't even think maybe she knew or not. I don't know if she was in on that level. But that was my plan. So that worked. Heidi got

fired up. And then boom, I'm in the game. And then so MTV West Coast office. Shout out Rada Asa. He reaches out to me. And he's like, hey, Spencer, we want to give you your own. show. This is season two of the hills. I'm like, let's do it. So he's like, do you have an idea. I'm like, yeah, I'm Brody's manager, publicist agent. Let's do the show idea. And it's called, ended up being called banking on Brody. And it's about like me, like the idea was like breaking him into Hollywood where like Cameron Dia, like he was kind of like punked and like Cameron Diaz would be somewhere. And like Brody would show up like and I would have a paparazzi and I would make it look like Brody was on a date with Cameron Diaz, hijack him into fame. So that

the pilot was insane. It would have been a hit. They ended up East Coast makes all the calls of MTV back then. Now there is no West Coast. Yeah, there is Vycom. But so they call and they're like, you're not taking Brody and Spencer from our hills. We're like, yeah, we're doing this.

And they're like, well, we'll pay double with that. I was like, oh, bye, spin off, which was the dumbest thing. We probably should have just got our own show. It's hard to, it's a lot of things that go back. Like, was that that moment where you just go, no, like we don't want to do the hills. I think it would have been too hard to come. kind of decipher this at this point because this is at this time it's like the wild west of all this

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I came in with the actual executive producer as my like boy and we had it was called Operation Upstage and that was to have Heidi and I Upstage LC in every episode so we went episode by episode so like our storylines and our drama fake we're so made up just to get more because it was her show. She was the narrator. She didn't want us on the show. So we had to create such like this that it was like, they couldn't get rid of you. Exactly. The executor's like they bring in the ratings. She tried walking away from the show multiple times. She finally ended up doing it. And they were like walk. Like walk. And so then when she did walk, they're like walk. And they brought Kristen Cavalry on. So shout out Kristen Cavalier. Genius.

We love Kristen Cavalry. She's a she knows. She knows. She knows how to read the room and she knows what she's doing. Finesse. Ben knowing it. Yeah. But, yeah, I mean, Brody and Kristen lived together for a year at that mansion that Casablanca and I live there too. So I watched the like true like her go into the game. Like, you know, not to hate on her, but she should be a movie star.

Like if she'd wanted, like she was right there. Like, you know, she almost was like about to be a movie star. So I don't think she ended up working out better. but like she could have made that choice Yeah I think it was if she She just had like it was almost there Where she was there were going to let her I forget the movie that she had some big scripts

In play and like I watched when she was And she was young so it could have happened But she's only 20 probably 19 You also have said that in And I totally see where you're coming from You've said Elsie should have been What Kylie Generous So this is crazy that this is the most hate I've had in year

So Heidi just went on Call her Daddy shout out that freaking legend, freaking Alexander Cooper, my new inspiration. Yeah, $60 million lady. So, Heidi just went on, call her daddy. They talked for three hours straight. They cut it down on an hour. Heidi doesn't edit it. So one little part of this, and I read the transcript, just because I really want to see why things, this is how the media works and how the internet works. E-News takes a three-hour podcast that's then an hour, and they take one quote, and they put Heidi's and the quote

that e-news posted says something like L.C. is not where she should be in life or whatever. It's like, boom, creates the craziest like Heidi some hater, dragon her. So what Alexander Cooper brought up is she says, like, good for L.C. for not like chasing after

like reality TV, which is infactual. Hit Google, go to Deadline Hollywood, check out when LC shopped her own show, shot it, MTV passed on it. So it's not like she didn't want to do reality. TV, she couldn't without people that want to make hit TV. Like, you know, maybe if she wanted to do hit TV and you showed her real killer personality, she could be hit. But if you want to curate your life and image craft, nobody's watching that. So check Google. That's a fact. So that's a misunderstood

thing where people think she doesn't want to be on reality TV. Yeah, maybe she doesn't want to be on the hills where she would get eaten alive because people would now call you out. So yeah, all I said was, So I go in the comment section just to explain the context on this E news post. Thank you, E, though. I don't regret it. I got 3,000 new followers off this post. So it was a blessing in disguise. Did have to block at least 400 people, though.

So I write like, this is just facts. She should be a Kylie Jenner billionaire. So let me give you back story. Elsie never did her own, or always did her own makeup. She was really good at her own makeup. Kylie's a billionaire for makeup. Makeup existed when we were doing TV. Instead of being in Coles doing cheap clothes,

maybe she missed the play on makeup. I like she got famous. She could have used her fake eye dropped meme where she wasn't really crying. That was a meme where she put eye, Vizene, which is amazing. It was a scripted show. But she wasn't crying as Vizene.

But here's the ad. When your best friend makes you cry, you need, or your boyfriend or whatever, you need eyeliner that will stick, blunt, you use that photo, you license it from MTV, done. You're a billionaire. So all I was saying, and it's not, I wish she was a billionaire. You were pointing out that like this was possible. I have to be honest. This is not hate. I'm saying this is factual observation. And people are like, well, where are you? I was never supposed to be a billionaire. I wasn't even supposed to be on a show.

I'm supposed to be hated. I'm right where I'm supposed to be actually. So, and they're like, how much money do you have? Google says you have 300,000. I'm like, no, actually, I wish I had 300. where it's like, please show me I have $30 actually. So that and they're like, how's your life? I'm like, I love my life. I also didn't say the LC doesn't like her life. All I'm saying is that, you know, in defense of Heidi's S paragraph, it was like they took out of a paragraph and it was all to be like, well, look at Kristen because Alexander Cooper says the LC was the most successful other shows. It's like, no, Kristen has 60 million plus dollars, going to be a billionaire one day, without a doubt with uncommon James and Little James and whatever.

So no, she was just giving her facts because Alexandria Cooper is a young lady, what are you, 26, 20s, you'd actually don't know these facts because this is a wrong generation. And this isn't in your realm. And again, I was just going in the comment section saying she should be a billionaire, which I wish she was because trickled down effect, then I would be a hundred millionaire because that's the success, the whole franchise, all of our cast was so stupid. When we started popping and getting hit ratings,

Heidi and I were calling everyone like, let's get our lawyers together, let's team up, let's figure out fees. I'll never forget Whitney Porter writes back, I wish I had the text. This is actually none of your business. This is a private matter. This is personal.

It's like, oh, then two days later, I see TMZ like Jersey Shore, record negotiations came together as a, what's better than one lawyer? How about five major lawyers? So you wanted to collectively get in and negotiate the whole thing. Yeah, like Marvel cast members do. And, you know, like if it doesn't work with,

if it doesn't work with all of us, doesn't work with any of us. Yeah, exactly. We're all, you want to, like, we're all, that's what Jersey Shore did, like, two weeks after. And I kept telling everybody, like, the reason why I looked so crazy towards the end of the hills is because I was talking every day to the president of MTV,

and he's telling me, we're done with the hills. He's like, Jersey Shore is getting eight. million viewers like da da da da da da and i knew it and i kept telling everybody so they would just edit around it but i would be like fucking like step it up like stop like this is when everyone was so it's like they're now but even i don't know they're as bad now but even then they were like too cool and i'm like are you guys watching mtvy are you watching all due respect snooky like peeing and bushes they didn't think it was possible that they would get upstairs by somebody else yeah they were in la la la land like their egos entitled yeah and i i guess i came from

like I was never like love. So I had the like like I had like I guess my ear to the street. Like I could feel like you guys are all out. Like we're done. Like this is a rap. Like Jersey Choir is wiping us out. Like I felt that because I didn't have the like ego and like in the sense of I had been like super loved like ooh. Like I had the ego like for what I earned and created.

But I didn't have like a false sense of reality like I did because I was hated. I was the bad guy. You understood the business. Yeah. Like I was like like I knew people would. So that's also, you know, a lot of things were happening. But that was another of kids were like, were you really going crazy? And it's like, yeah, I was about to lose millions.

Like the next deal was so many more millions. Like, yeah. Like, this was my life. And I was spending it all because pre-Jurzy Shore, it was not going anywhere. It was going to be season 12, not season six. So there's that, which. Going back, if you could edit it, how you want it to be, what would you tweak?

I would have no narrator and I would have just shot a real show like the real, all those people are monsters like film like like what Vanderpump does. Yeah, even that's, yeah. In its early days.

You like Sia Key, right? Yeah, but Siazaki they protect like there's protect. I love S yes ski, but it's still, if I talk to cast members offline and there's things that are so, it's things that are protected.

I'm not going to hate it on my favorite show, but a real docu-series of the, those people. And also, I would have broke the fourth wall like the Kardashians did, because Elsie did get famous. Trina did get famous. Heidi and Spencer were, like, Brody was crazy famous. Like, follow them. What happened to your life outside of the show. Let's stop pretending Heidi's working at Bullt House. Let's now have Heidi doing hosting a night at Bullt House with Brody, DJing, like, all the same. Show you guys getting chased by the paparazzi.

100% because once and they were like, no, the magic is like, we're on the cover of a tablet's all week. Like that bottle. is like that or whatever, that's already burst. That bubbles burst. So, you know, it doesn't have to be like, you still keep it on the boring looks and everything. But like, as you walk in the club show, like that was when Kim started getting really famous on E

is when you started showing her with paparazzi. And I love that. I was like, oh my God, like I watched her go from the valley. She's still in the valley, but like the valley to paparazzi. Initially, Valley was not the hottest thing. I mean, it was hot, always really hot, but I wouldn't drive there ever. I still don't.

When you started a. experiencing that level of fame when you're like, you know, you go from hustling trying to get on a show, you know, just like everybody else. And all of a sudden you guys are getting chased by like 15 cars. How did you feel about that? We were like, I fucking made it. This is great. We're like, oh my God, I fucking hate. How did you contextualize it? It was such a day-to-day grind because we're up against so many people trying to take us out and unplug. Like MTV, as much as they loved us on the show, they were shelving everything we were doing stuff. Like we put $3 million in Heidi's album. We had the president of asylum. Shout out, Tom Moskowitz, calling us like, hey, we're trying to do what they

do with Ashley Simpson, puts this in the, like, we're ready to spend the money, and they won't, they're saying no hiding music on MTV. Like, like, they didn't even, because they, it's like, they actually were in business with LC on one of our first fashion. Like, it was like this weird, like, shelf hiding sensor, but only use them to like when they, so we had never felt like that. We are always, like, people are like, oh, you're so thirsty. We're always thirsty. We're always thirsty, very dehydrated. It was never, I never felt like, like, oh, it was a day-to-day grind. We were always figuring out plans with tablet covers. It wasn't like, oh, let's just sit back and like enjoy being famous because everyone loves us. No, we're like listening to rap,

like, like, Mayno haters, haters are my motivator. Like, it was never like chill. Like, we were grinding. So other people had it so easy. Like I've had so many producers to this day tell me like, they owe you their checks. Even these last two seasons of the Hill's New Beginings, the shout out Alex Baskin, sorry to air you out. He's like, have them give you their checks. Like, that's the, and it's true. It's like, we want success.

We work for it. And then people are like, oh, you're so desperate. It's like anyone trying to be famous, all due respect, is desperate to be famous because it's not easy. It's not easy to get views. It's not easy to get checks. So whether, oh, you fake. it better? Like, I don't play pretend. Like, these people are...

No, no, I'll say this. You know, growing up kind of in the same generation, like you see all this stuff. And I would say, and maybe people won't like this, but I don't think the hills as it stands now would be compelling enough to draw any attention or the attention that it does without you to because it would just seem like great. Like, okay, your life's fine and normal and things are going well and you're going to dinner and you're getting, like, they're like, if you're going on television, you've got to kind of bring it. some kind of way. And I feel like they like some of the, like, because of the success some of the people have had, it's like, okay, now we can kind of coast and just like take it easy. But that's,

that doesn't work. Michael popped a boner today during our workout. Not when you wear sweatpants. I made you get rid of all the sweatpants. I, um, don't like when you wear sweatpants. I can't see what's going on. They're too loose. They're not tight enough. That's why I like when you wear the beta brand dress pant, yoga pant. That's actually a true story. We were walking out the other day to work out and I was wearing sweatpants. And he was like, no, no, no, no, no. go put on tighter pants. Some of the ladies listening may be offended by that. But honestly,

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It was like trying to shame me. Like, how dare you say these bad things about the show when we shot during a pandemic and these crew? It's like, no, no, I wasn't talking about the crew and the camera. I was talking about them bringing your worthless personality onto a television show. Not like, they literally brought, like, if this was a sporting event, they brought like worse than the water boy onto the team. So you're frustrated with that because you're like, bring it.

Yeah, like, and this is my, again, my chat. Like our crystal business was booming before the Hills came back. Because all day long, I'm on Snapchat. I just started my whole life is slinging Praddy Crystall. Praddy, crystals, swipe up. What happens when they bring a TV show back? I put my whole life into trying to make the show successful, calling the producers, trying to get the cast.

I did it. My whole focus is now like, okay, let's get a TV show back. Jersey Shore reboot. What are they on season five? If I get to season five, that's a real check, buy another house type check. So let me invest everything. So if I'm doing that and then all these people are doing like Instagram post lives, like save that for your IG, like this fake made up reality of who you are, what you have going on.

Like I don't have time for that. And it's like I know what's really going on. I know the second when the cameras go off, what you act like, what you talk like, what you do, what's going on. So if you're not putting that on, don't show up. And so that's my and be like, oh, my God. No, I think I don't think people think that's true because you, are like obviously you're an outspoken, very candid, polarizing person. I don't mean that in drug try. I actually mean it as a compliment. And you, you and Heidi can become the punching

bags of the public because you are those characters. But also to that point, would people be tuning in if there weren't characters like yourselves to these shows? Or would they just be like, man, this is kind of slow and boring? I just saw a tweet and somebody tagged me in a bunch of like bangers in there and they're like, these people, and I think they may have said villains, whatever on reality shows should always get paid more. And I agree, like, if you take the dirt for a show, like, whether it's true or not, the way the edit comes out, if you're the one that everyone's, like, that should be, like, if we're wearing a jersey, you get that jersey, like, that one gets paid more.

So I agree in that sense. And I have no problem. And that's the problem. Here we go again. I'm not going to name names. There's certain people I was getting the same payment from. A, I'm showing up to so many more filming that I know is not going to be used because then they don't show up.

And then I'm like, I'm getting the same check for somebody who does not even care, not even putting their real life in like this is and it gets you. And then you come off. Like I don't want to, like I am a chill, fun. Like, let's have like, I only have drama if you're horrible. Like, and then I'm all about it. And I'm like, great. But so I don't want to come off.

It's hard sometimes because your energy, it's like I know what's really happening in the situation as you're being filmed. And it can't be conveyed because I can't look at the camera. this person, this person, this person, like, in real life, Brody and Justin Bobby hate each other. Is that followed? Do you see one scene in this last season where they even interact? No. How are we not like, like, you know, like how looks, like, they almost fought.

And we have a clip of it in a super tease in the beginning of season where they're almost fighting at Brody's beach party. But then we never even get to the bottom. Like stuff like that. It's like, show it all. I'm like, this would be. What is that the producers or the cast's fault? The cast. And then the new producer, we had an incredible.

The first season of the reboot was Lauren Weber, superstar showing her, exactly producer. She was too good. Her whole thing was follow the truth. The cast didn't want to follow the truth. A lot of them. So they, I think, got her fired. They bring in this, like, enabler of like, oh, what do you want to do?

Oh, that's like, you know, like. Why don't they let you produce it? I'm being really serious when I asked that. So the season one, the cast thought I produced it. They were, I feel like, stepping it up more because they were. they thought I was secretly producing because I was the one who called everybody, da-da-da-da, like brought this back together. I wasn't.

I didn't have a title. So once people realized I wasn't, that's when they all turned on Heidi and I, because they actually don't like us because they feel like we are polarizing. So when everyone really turned on us, season one reboot when everyone thought they were famous and like we're like cool and had interesting lives. We did a good morning America or it was the Today Show, a major thing. It was at the W and it was like a live thing. and the host, all they did was just keep asking Heidi Night Questions.

Heidi Night Questions. Everyone's just sitting there all did up, best outfit, just like fuming. And then I was like, I knew that was the moment that everyone was like, we're done with Heidi and Spencer. But if you think about the shows that like that everyone's tuning into it now, if you look at Beverly Hills Housewives and for a while, it's like you look at the Lisa Rennas, right? Like she's polarized. You look at New Jersey and you look at Teresa or you look at Banner Pump. You're like James Kennedy and Jacks.

It's like whether you like these personalities or not, like you can't, you almost can't turn away from them. And I think you guys do the same thing. And I argue or at least point out that in these shows, the reason that people find them so entertaining is because without those types of characters on these shows, you just have a bunch of people like going to lunch, going to dinner, giving each other compliments, dating. Like, that's great. But you wouldn't tune in for weeks and weeks and weeks. So that, so when I was flying to MTV every week to do CST Key live hits on TRL, and that's when the executives brought me up like, hey, we want to do a show with you and Heidi. And I was like, no, let's bring the hills back. Because at that time, my life literally was just feeding hummingbirds, being a doubt of the bait. Like, it like, if you'd ask me eight years ago, 10, like, different times. It was slower. Yeah. I could have been like, let's go. The Heidi and Spencer show, like, I'll bring what you're expecting. Da-da-da-da. But I was like, no, let's call up all the hills. People look house. Jersey Shore is doing, let's do that because of that. I was like, I know I'm watching Brody's IG story, him pouring liquor in, girls' mouths and sticking his fingers in there on the

store. I'm like, oh my God, like this is on IG story. Like, I'm thinking, we're going to get this on MTVV and I'm reading all Adrenna's life on TMZ. I'm like, my God, weekly TMZ, this is no joke. So I'm thinking, this is good stuff. Does that add up on the show? No, no. You'll have to watch the show and see you. Not trying to hate on it. MTV. I hope for a season three pickup. You're very, very strategic and smart when it comes to all this. And you mentioned earlier that you studied fame. What do you mean by that? You mean you read books on it? Like, explain more about that. Growing up in L.A., having all your friends, A-List Academy Award winning, Emmy winning, Grammy, like being around people that you like,

this is the life you want to like, oh my God. Like, people were like, oh, why do you want to be fans? I grew up watching famous people out the dovest lives ever, not because I like, oh, I wanted a camera in front of my face, like how they were treated when we'd go on Maui vacations, how a whole Spago area would be closed and they would open up. Like things that I'm like, oh, this is what fame unlocks. Like, yeah, you can be rich, but like fame and power in Hollywood and entertainment business. Like, I watched what those keys opened. So, I mean, I just studied that from all kindergarten through 12th grade at a school with only things. famous Hollywood people type parents. And then my mom had every single tabloid my whole life, my mom, even the inquirer. So every week I would, you know, read all of those and see what's going on. And then, you know, I guess, you know, there were no books yet. If there had been, I would have read them.

So, yeah, I just studied, like, I guess, what these people did, you know, observe. So, I mean, I knew I wanted to be in Hollywood because I was like this. Now it sucks. Like, I'll be, now it's like, oh, you get, oh, you get to go to a restaurant and put a mask on. Like it's, you know, I'm not an anti-masker.

I'm just saying, like, great, wear your mask. I'm just saying, like, it's not even fun anymore. Like, oh, you're going to go to a club

and turn into COVID. Like, so I'm just so glad I got a, a piece of what they did. And it was even cooler pre then. Like, what I grew up, it was ending.

Like, 90s agents, like they were landing helicopters on Rue. Like, it was so crazy. Well, I was like arguing the other day that you won't see the type of fame

that you saw some of those other Ailer saw ever again. Everyone's just, we kind of touch on it. It's too accessible. I don't think the world will ever see like a Michael Jackson again. I mean, that's like the extreme level. Nobody will even contextualize that. It just won't happen.

There's too many people now to be fans of. Like, there's like, like, I, the other day I referenced like the Ace family, which I, you know, I don't follow them, but they're very successful on YouTube to the point where like they're huge on YouTube. And I referenced to somebody and they're like, the who? I don't know who that is. I don't know who that is either. I never heard of them.

So they're like one of the most famous YouTube families. So that's my like, yeah. I just, it's just too much. You're right. It's too much. I don't know. But that's my point. Like, we're talking like,

I would love to have Ace family money. You guys have never heard of them. The level of fame, Heidi and I were in 2007, 2006, it was rare you could say hiding Spencer without somebody going, oh, those like, even it was negative. Like, yeah, spiky. Like, back then, like, oh, the worst. They're like, oh, I can't stand there.

I'm like, uh, whatever. You could connect. Like that, that level of connection will not happen again, unless you drop one, like, Kabul, right now. Now, you have to have an invasion. In the world event. Yeah, you have to have an invasion. You have to spend two trillion dollars, like, to get everyone like Kabul and not even

ever, like I just said to somebody there. I'm like, at least when I'm not in Kabul right now. And he's like, huh? I was like, dang, you don't even know about it. So it's just so hard to get any on anyone's brains with our phones, how many apps there have. Who's doing it right, though? In reality television, like, and you can go back to the first season of the hills.

You can go back whenever. Who are some people that you point to that you're like, they, brought it, they're doing it right. Not at the scale that I would like, because they don't need to deserve. They're already rich, but, and I don't even like her. She said negative things about hiding in the past. So I'm not, you know, it shows you, I'm not a hater. I literally don't like this person. And I think they do every time I see them on the show, I'm like that person brings it. Lisa Rennah on the Beverly Housewives. I feel like she. Who is the first person? Lisa Rennon. Oh, Lisa Rennas the person that you're saying you don't like. No, I don't like her.

Yeah, but she does it good on the Beverly Hills Housewives. Well, this would I was pointing out earlier. It's like whether you like, I'm watching her. I'm like, she should be getting a check. I heard a rumor that Chris Jenner asked you to manage Kim way back in the day. So this,

and here's so funny, this is how you can prove that they lie, which obviously I get it and I've exposed this lie. I also said an interview that Kim came and filmed on the hills at our spot on Curson and organized Heidi's closet and got edited out. I told that in an interview. Kim's publicist or Chris, And then People magazine, I remember saying, this is absolutely not true.

I was like, huh? Thank God. One time MTV, maybe it was an accident, backed me up and posted uncut bonus footage. Three weeks later, a month later, two months later, they show the scene. I'm like, oh, okay, maybe they forgot, which is possible. So no, when the princes happened, you can go back on YouTube. I watched it at least 20 times because you can watch the premiere episode of princes. They panned the Kim and Courtney seeing a reality.

reality show for the first time in their life, seeing all the Fox lights, seeing, and you can see the spark. I mean, they zoom in. If you pause it like I have, you can see the sparkle crystal balls in their eye like, this is our lives. Like I literally opened Pandora's box for them. Brody now we're driving. He had an escalate with spinning rims pre- Malba's most monica because they actually copied. They were spoofing Brody. We're driving and I'll never forget. Phone rings. It's Chris Jenner on speaker and she's like to Brody and I. So this is two separate stories. She's like, we want to do what you're doing in Malibu with us with your dad, Brody and the girls in the valley. We're like, oh, yeah, yeah. We hang up like, oh, like the valley. You know, like, you know,

I've thought about a million times, a billion times. The reality is without Ryan Seacrest, that wouldn't have happened because he was in the building. He had all the juice. He kept pushing it. he did bring in Buna Murray. So many things came together. So if Brody and I had said yes, who knows, it could have been the end of their, we could have actually sabotaged. Maybe it might not have had the firepower. Yeah, it could have been eight episodes in the Valley.

That's it. Like, that all perfect came together for them. And maybe we wouldn't have taken it to E. And I think if they didn't have Comcast, maybe Brody and I would have taken it somewhere that would have just been like, oh, we don't see this. We're not going to. So that happened. And then years later, you know, season two.

or whatever. They film a scene where they're like looking for a new manager and they also call, this is one now where I'm like really famous and they call to have me manage on a scene or whatever. And I think they end up using Frankie comes over there. But that was the second time, but never like a real like, I think the big call was when we said no to, you know, or didn't even call back about doing the reality show. So what do you, in your perfect world, hope the future of the Hills is right now as it stands? in your perfect world. There is no future as it stands right now. If you could create it.

Oh, I think I would bring the hills back, bringing in a new showrunner that was like, okay, you're not bringing it to take. Go home. Like, you're not getting paid. Like, that's fine if you don't want to be on this episode. And then we bring in some young, like, all due respect to Brandon, he's great,

but he wants to be an actor. You can't, like, be an actor, which all due respect, I'm not even hey, I get with it. He's not put. his actual reality on the show because he's trying, not trying, he's a working actor, but you can't do both. You cannot be, like, he wants to be taken serious, like a, like, you're saying you got to lay it all on the line. Like, yeah, you can't be a reality star and be an actor.

That's, like, if you are somebody, I don't even know. No, you can't. It had, that mold has not been broken that I can think of where that's possible. So we need Brandons. So we almost had Gerbers, Kylie Gerber. So I think we'd need somebody like, him and a couple more of these young, like real popping Hollywood guys. And then we'd be like the older, like, do still do like little hangouts with them where it's not too like fake because like I'll hang out and party with a 24 year old and drink tequila shots. But I don't need to go to the club with them. They go to the club. They have more relationship drama. And then they come talk to me and I give, you know, and the young cool girls can go hang out with Heidi and they talk girl stuff. So I think you

blend getting some, they tried with Brandon. Brandon was supposed to bring that in, but he phoned it in because he's trying to be an actor. So, and then I would have like people that aren't bringing it not. Why don't they make you the producer though? I don't understand why you can't. Because MTV doesn't like me for some reason. There's, I, I would have wanted you to produce it. It's probably because you don't, you don't tow the line.

Well, I get, I get yelled at a lot, you know, and I'm always like, and so, and there. have an incredible producer. If they let Alex Baskin produce whoever they is, like he has 12 hit shows. Like evolution, it's the showrunner who's on, like, and the network has to pick the showrunner. So obviously these are, again, I'm very pro Viacom, CVS, I love Paramount Plus, I love all my checks. And I'm just saying what I would want for success. And it's not their fault. This showrunner probably would have worked if everybody wanted to make a hit show. So it's more of the talent. And in their defense, I'll defend these horrible people, we were on track to having a hit show pre-lockdown pandemic. The four weeks we were filming season two before the like new world we lived in, it was drama.

Everyone was bringing it. We come back from pandemic. I'm literally introducing myself to these strangers. I'm like, who like, it was glitch in the matrix, new simulation, what dimension are my end type changes to everybody. So I, you know, maybe that's the cause. So I thought we were getting out of it. So we'll see, you know. So no plans for the next season.

What are you and Heidi doing right now? You guys have a podcast. Do you have Pratt Daddy Crystal? Tell us more about what you're doing now. So now it's back to going where my folks, even if the hills came back, my focus, it's now a secondary to PratDaddy.com. Like I'm going back. It was so successful.

It has so much potential that that's where I should be putting all my energy is in our family business. What I actually love, I love crystals. I don't love filming reality. I love parts of the experience. I love things that come with it. But I like all across the board, interacting with people I don't like. These are people I would never choose to be around, which makes good TV.

You know, that's how you put people that don't like each other around each other. I don't like these people. I do like Brody now. He's apologized to me multiple times in person. Why did you guys have an issue? But you guys have a real friendship for a very long time. Because like I said, even going back to the very beginning, we shot you and But that's the Brody.

That's back in my life. The Cabo Brody is back. The Cabo Brody has been missing in my life, maybe other people. But for whatever reasons, and he's talked about it, he's had a lot of things happen in his life and gone through a lot. And I think he has ex. So we are now in a great place. And so I do like Bray.

So anytime I'm bashing the cast, it's minus Brody. And I'm not technically back bashing Frankie. And I do like Jen Dogato. But Frankie needs to bring it. You can't be neutral on a television show. And he wants to be everybody's friend. It's like, you need to literally take sides. And people who are like, I'm not taking sides.

And don't be on a reality show. I think, listen, this is the first time we've got to like sit down in depth. And I can understand why you get some pushback. But I don't think anything you're saying here is not true in the sense that like, if I'm tuning into a television show like The Hills or any of these other reality TV shows, I don't want to see some feel good story where everyone just enjoying. like going to dinner. Like I don't need that. I want to tune in to escape, see some drama, see some, see some, see some, see some shit I haven't seen. He likes the juice. Well,

the juice, right? And so what you're saying is like, if you're not bringing it, why are we doing the television show? And then here's the worst. This last season, they made the whole season about how Heidi and I are drinking. It's like no, nobody watching a reality show, first off, is not having a glass of wine. Like, that's why we're watching a reality show is because we're actually scrolling our phones. We're drinking wine. We're eating cheese. It's escapeism. Yeah, this isn't a time. This is not AA.

And people are like, oh, my God, you're not da-da-da-da. It's like, I signed up for a reality show. I didn't sign up for an intervention show. Yes, people have their own problem. That's a different show. This is supposed to be the hills, fun, partying. Did you watch the old hills? Like what everyone's lifestyles was.

So it turned into, as one producer said, everyone grabbing at the low hanging fruit. It's like, oh, look how junk hide is. Yeah, we, this is, we're in a pandemic. And that's another. Like, oh, my God, it's a pandemic. I was like, I know. And so this was our time where it was all secured and safe and everyone's tested. And they're giving me 1942 dequila at that time was like, like, it was, you couldn't get it.

It was like sold out. So when MTV is bringing me by and I was a baby sitter, there's no. I'll do it again. I have no, but it's like, and I love it. It's like, great. Try to make like, try to make that look negative. People hate to admit this to themselves because I think they. want to have a higher opinion of themselves in society. They want to have, I'm tuning into this

intellectual thing or this story that's a feel good story. There's a reason that you see some of the biggest deals in podcasting with some of the most polarizing characters. You see some of the most polarizing shows, Jersey Shore being an example of like why they get the rates. At the end of the day, America and people that are tuning in banner pop, all these shows, they're tuning in because they want to see the high drama. They want to escape. We don't, we lie about the stuff that we actually want to see. The ratings don't lie. Numbers don't lie. I say the same thing, like running this business. I see all the ratings. I see all the numbers. People not like this, but the shows that are out there being authentic, being polarizing, making wild statements,

doing things in a different way. They are at the top of the charts. They are the ones driving the listeners. They're the same thing on television. And I think like without characters like you and some of these others we've talked about, like nobody would tune in. We wouldn't be talking about in these shows. Exactly. And then that's the thing, this word that I, learn from this Lauren Weber, the genius producer, she's like,

this cast is image crafting. So the reality, like, they're pretending this is, they're using this as like a, like a spokes, like, like, so box where they're all like,

I'm so good. And then it's like, go on IG Live and do that. Like, no one's tuning in. And then like, so that was the whole season like, oh, Heidi's two turn up. No, no,

it's like, all my DMs, every comment, it's like, everyone's like, I want to party with you. But of course, we are so much fun to party with. please that's our reality so if you're going to try to like like our cast make us look bad as that's

like what's bad with us yes Heidi and I love to party but we drink lots of water so don't worry about like you know and this is like expensive wine hello it's like this is biodynamic organic wine from air one so that was so annoying about this season that that was the drama that and then oh that I questioned somebody whose whole storyline for two seasons is there sobriety and lying about it and tell you. And then I was like, oh, like, and I didn't even say it. It was off camera that Brody brought up. And it's like, I said, like, I don't know if this guy's always a stranger. He lives in Orange County. Like, talk to the guy for 30 minutes my whole life. Like, I'll say that again. But it was like, you question his subbrite. It's like, if you're on a reality show, I should be able

question anything. That's why we're here to, like, it's like play truth or dare on with cameras. You're not there to play nice and high five. Yeah, like, I'm not at his meeting trying to innate. Like, it's just, it was ridiculous. So. But I mean, Let's just play it out. Like, you don't, like, say this whole, like, the whole season, you just tow the line. You don't ask any of those questions. You don't get into any drama. I don't get into fights.

Like, what would the season be? If nobody, if nobody would participate. No, but that was, it was that season. It was that. That's what that's how that show turned out. Like, that's, I like the first season of the reboot, the second season, it, you know, the people are, like, I'm going to be quiet because I don't want to. Because you're, you know, I don't, we can podcast again. they decide not to do season three and I don't have that check that I'm missing with you.

And then like it's a whole extended. Don't let the be flew. That's what I mean like I'm right here like, oh, I'm already in trouble and like this. Now I'm kind of fucked up because I want the season to happen for you. I think it'll be. No, because we'll get some. There's so many platforms and we just shot. We just shot our own show with all of our Prad Daddy, the women that work at Prad Daddy.

We're like 10 of the most entertaining women on earth. So that's pretty much the only reason we've had them employed for two years because they're all due respect, not like, they're television stars that we always knew, like, we'll make a show one day. So if the Hills doesn't go, whether it's on TV,

Facebook watch, you know, Snap, Discover, Paramount Plus, Hulu, Amazon, like there's so many opportunities now,

which is great about this new landscape, that we will, our partying will continue. Selfishly, I kind of now, I'm like, maybe if that happens, you come bring us the juice again.

I don't know, the juice is coming no matter what. They don't write them TV check. I keep telling them, like, they think I've started talking. No, it's not even a, no, it's not even a, I don't want it. It's facts. Like, I am literally only keeping my mouth quiet because if you want to write that check again, I won't be a hater. But if you don't, like, there is so much truth. That's why you hired me because I'm authentic.

I feel a memoir coming. The problem with my memoir, it's like, I can only imagine. I feel like it's now in this society, like it's too gnarly. You know, like... You have to do one. Like, in 20 years, if everyone shows out. Like, because you can't even make jokes anymore. Like, that's how I used to do tabloid.

You can... This is the thing. It's like, you people are so sensitive, though. Like, because I hear this all the time, like, and people, you can't do this. You can't do that. I'm like, no, you can. It's just, you're going to piss a lot of people off and fine. Like, that, like, I think we're getting to a dangerous place where people, like, tell

themselves they can't do something. Like, if it's in your heart and you want to do it, I think that it becomes like, is it worth it to me? Like, I used to always do tabloid reviews on Snapchat. People were like, why don't you do them anymore? It's like, because I used to mock the royals as like reptilians. And I would do their voices. And now it's like, oh, you can't say anything about Harry because he has mental health.

And you can't say anything about this. Like, you know, and I used to do the best Megan Markle before they all came out. Like, and you can't talk about women's outfits, even though it's not a good outfit. Like, because you, oh, who are you? Like, so things like that. it becomes like, well, then it's not, like, I'm not getting paid to do these tabular reviews, but it was fun and I enjoyed it. But so the book would sell. I know that for a fact. I would have to tell a lot of lawyers. Like, I feel like I'm in like such a safe place in the

Brad Daddy gives the juice by Spencer Brad. It's just, it's not just, it's like a sewer. It's like the level of like just what it's. I mean, I feel like you've seen a real behind the scenes of something so unique that no one's seen of just, yeah, no, I don't think. I made me one day. I got like, because I do, I've been unplugged from the industry and I feel like they've let me back in, like, in the last 10 years, but you can just literally be blackballed in the game. Like, maybe not CERNber, but like, there is a real powers that be. And somehow I got back in their good graces, which I'm happy with it. So I get nervous about like going up against that level.

Because, yeah, it's so heavy. so much. Like, you have to be careful who you piss off. Yeah, and I feel like I've had people on my team killed, you know, like I've had a lawyer that supposedly killed himself. It would never, that was like, we were suing a conglomerate. And it's like, you get into like conspiracy world where it's like, I don't even, I don't even want to play in this world where it's like, these people are so rich and powerful and, you know, it becomes like Michael Clayton. If you were to start with one crystal from your website for our audience that promotes good energy. Oh, so that's the, a problem with my current brand is all of our crystals, besides our bracelets, are one-of-one

hand-carved crystals, which makes it the most challenging business to have because every crystal has to be photographed. It's like every other business has certain skews, and I've now know what a skew is. And that's their product line for the fall spring. Our crystals drop in batches, like, you know, one batch a week of 200 new pendants. So it's usually the same type of different crystals, but they're all one of one. So I am a crystal person that changes my crystals. Like this morning, I wore two, a different crystal to Airwan. And I've changed into a citrine for wealth energy because this podcast is going to bring wealth

to Praddai.com. And then this was a carving I put on because it was missing. And I found it. So it's like a talisman of more good luck because this was supposedly gone. And then we found it in the air one. So crystals, but like, it's supposed to. What depends what you want? If you want, like, for me, the first crystal that I became obsessed with, like the one that was on my third eye on the hills back in the day that's the meme, that's Koonzite.

And that's like self-love, one of my favorite crystals that I'm totally just always about Koonzite. Recently, I've got really into Aquamarine because my son is obsessed with Aquamarine, and I feel like he's so tuned into the multiverse. And like Aquamarine brings courage. And then Heidi's really into turmalines right now, pink turmaline. I actually don't know why I would have to read about that. Black termaline for protection. That's like, if you don't have black turmaline, I don't, I'm like concerned for you. Even if you're not going to wear it, like just put some black turmaline in your coll.

You can text me if you want to do this. Maybe we can do a code for the audience if you want to do that for crystals. I don't know if you guys do that. The problem also with my brand is I try to have the best prices. So like, it's already the best. Yeah, like, so I'll maybe we'll do. I'll figure, I'll talk to my boss. Maybe we can do something.

We'll figure out. We'll figure out. Let's go to Pratt, Daddy. Go to Pratt, Daddy. Maybe bracelets. The crystal penants are so, like, I keep looking at the site. So my car, the thing with material is like crystals run out. Like, so I saw one of our customers in Airwant, this woman, Ann, shout out.

And she was wearing a Mexican opal. Like, it's opal for Mexico. And it was so beautiful. I'm like, when did you get? get that. And she's like, like, three years ago from you. And I was like, so I call my car where I take a photo. I'm just like, oh, that was a one of one. We don't have any more of that material. So like that's the problem. Like, I am undervaluing all of my product right now because I want to sell it. But like, if I had a lot of money, my prices would be because I do need a business.

So run to his site and go support the crystals. Oh, no. It's, I there's crystals. I want to buy back from people that I'm like, I keep, this one customer, Amber has like 12 of our most insane carvings. And she has a better crystal carving collection than I do. And I'm like, why did I sell those to Amber? I love it. She's a great customer. But like, they should be mine. Like, so I got to get some black tourmaline.

I'm going to be in some trouble. I'll think of that's bad thing. Yeah, like black turmeline on a black gunmetal chain, very on brand. Yeah, that's cool. Well, I don't have anything protection. Oh, yeah. We'll wait and we'll do it. You tell me if there's anything you want to do.

Where can everyone find you in Pratt Daddy Crystal, pimp yourself out, pinp hidey out. Tell us where to find you. It's Pradduddy.com. And then Instagram is at Pradaddy. And then Heidi's really great on Snapchat. Heidi Montag on Snapchat. And then, yeah.

Open invite for you and Heidi to come back on. Yeah, this was Museum Day. I totally messed up. You guys, you're welcome to come back on. We got to loop people. But I'm on a text. I feel like we've got to have this like one on one. And like we can do with Heidi.

Yeah, Heidi's life story is like, that was in mind. Like the fact that she came from a town. Like people always like, oh, they know Heidi's like. you don't know Heidi. Like, Heidi's town she grew up has one stop light. Wow. You know what I mean? You don't even know.

Like they think they know who Heidi. Like she every day wants to move back to this like mountain like what her like persona and image and what people think of her is so different from like who she is to this day. And I'm like, oh my. I'm married to an angel. You better say that. You better say that. Oh, you heard me talking about that to you. Heidi, come on the show.

Yo. I am. We're all done. We're all done. Follow at Spencer Pratt. Follow at Heidi montage at Pratt Daddy. I call you back. Sorry for fucking up museum day.

We'll be going back a lot. Come back anytime you want. Heidi's like, that's why that call her daddy podcast, they talk for three hours because she's probably like, oh my God. You're an incredible podcaster. Everyone go listen to their podcast.

What's it called before you go? It's now called the Spidey podcast. It used to be called Make Spidey Famous Again, but then I realized you can't be famous again. It doesn't even. Spidey, the Spidey podcast. It's just irrelevant to this new planet we live on. Thank you for coming on. Thanks, Anya, for setting this up. Yeah, I'm my manager. Wait, don't go. Would you like to win a copy of my latest book, Get the Fuck Out of the Sun? It's available on Amazon Barnes & Noble Target and we're all small books are sold. if you want to win a copy, all you have to do is tell us your favorite part of this episode with Spencer.

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