The Bossticks - Steph Shep On Finding Your Purpose, Accelerating Your Growth, & How To Be Resourceful & Adaptable

Episode Date: October 23, 2023

#620: Stephanie Suganami is an actor, entrepreneur, environmental advocate, and tastemaker who has cultivated a global community by educating her millions of fans on how to blend luxury lifestyle and conscious consumerism. Today, we sit down with Steph to talk about resourcefulness, career, passion, and the importance of learning to pivot. We dive into her experience working for Kim Kardashian and how she was fired from her role, her opinions on how to find your true purpose, and how to leverage your professional skills in any scenario. She also shares her best organization tips, how she sets up her day, and reveals her #1 beauty secret. To connect with Steph Shep click HERE To connect with Lauryn Evarts Bosstick click HERE To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE To subscribe to our YouTube Page click HERE For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM To Call the Him & Her Hotline call: 1-833-SKINNYS (754-6697) This episode is brought to you by The Skinny Confidential. This episode is brought to you by Caraway Caraway Home's non-toxic kitchen wares are all designed for the modern home and feature a chemical-free ceramic coating, so food can be prepared with peace of mind that no hard-to-pronounce compound will leach into your healthy ingredients. Visit Carawayhome.com/SKINNY10 or use code SKINNY10 at checkout to receive 10% off your next order. This episode is brought to you by Sakara Sakara helps you live a healthy, balanced lifestyle and truly enjoy it. Go to www.sakara.com/SKINNY or use code SKINNY at checkout to receive 20% off your first order. This episode is brought to you by Ritual Start a daily ritual that you can feel good about. Visit ritual.com/SKINNY to receive 30% off your first month of Ritual. This episode is brought to you by Vegamour Give your hair the power of the little pink bottle. Visit vegamour.com/SKINNY and use code SKINNY at checkout to receive 20% off your first order. This episode is brought to you by Drizly Drizly is the go-to app for drink delivery. Download the Drizly app or go to Drizly.com and use code SKINNY at checkout to receive $5 off or a $0 delivery fee on your next order. Produced by Dear Media  

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I really hope that people don't always feel so much pressure to, like, have their purpose. and like their life, like their career be the thing that they're like, this has to be what I do. And it is, you know, it's not, it doesn't have to be that. I think it's a real generational thing that we think that we all need to be on like the Forbes list. And we all need to like have a, like a brand or be this career person where it's like, my purpose is being a good friend. Like I know that like this job pays the bills, but like my purpose is like doing something else.

Being a good mother or being a great daughter. Like there's so many other ways to have. purpose and fulfillment in your life. I just feel like no one talks about that. And I just, I see so many people struggle with it. Stephanie Suganami, aka Steph Shep, is on the podcast today. I think you guys are really going to like this episode. It kind of goes all over the place, which is really fun. And she gives a lot of tangible takeaways for people who are looking for tips and tricks to be a bomb-ass employee, but also someone who wants to build their own business and become an entrepreneur. In this episode, we talk about how she got started in L.A., how to be adaptable,

resourceful, how to work your way up, working through struggle. We talk about why Kim Kardashian fired her. We even talk about the Chris Jenner organization of it all, how to leverage your professional skills to find your true passion in life, and her number one beauty tips. On that note, let's welcome the iconic, the lovely, the amazing Steph Shapp, actor, entrepreneur, environment, mental advocate and taste maker to the show. This is the skinny confidential, him and her. You are so multifaceted. I want to know what you were like as a little girl.

Oh my gosh. I was pretty entertaining as a kid. I've got to say, I think my mom would have said I was probably a little wacky, but I think I was a fun kid. Like, I remember her saying to me, I didn't, like, cry a lot. Like, I wasn't, like, I wasn't a bad kid. I wasn't a difficult kid. I just was really entertaining. My mom would always say, like, I just was like a lot of fun,

which I think is great. That's so nice to say. Yeah. Yeah. I hope I can say the same thing about my daughter. Like, just tell her she's a lot of fun. Yeah. She would always say, she was like, we would just have the most fun. Like, you're just the most. I mean, you know, she's like, thought the world of me, but she would just say that, like, I was a lot of fun. And I think I was. I think I like to have fun. When you look back, were you someone who wanted to be on stage? Were you someone who was more comfortable being in the background? Like, what was your vibe there? I was a performer from the second I was born. I got into dance really young. Like when I was probably like two and a half going into three, I started taking like ballet and

tap and jazz as a kid. And I like love to sing and dance and perform and like do weird voices and accents. And like I still I still do that. My husband thinks I'm a little freak. But I don't know. You said accent. I'm going to make you do an accent. You have to have to. You have an accent too. You do an accent? It's the worst accent I've ever heard. Keep going. We're going to get to accent. No, when I get to drunk, I only talk in a British accent. Only a British accent. Like, it's so bad. But I was a performer as a kid for sure. Really, and I was an only child. So I had to entertain myself. And I think that was part of it, like having a creative world because I was by myself. And I really loved performing. I danced my whole life from, from the until, like, 22. I was a dancer, and that's what I wanted to do. I wanted to go on tour with Britney Spears. I wanted to be a pussycat doll. Like, that was my dream.

So you were very into dancing. Oh, yeah. Like I told you, I went to college for a hot second, and I was a dance major. I danced for the Cleveland Cavaliers basketball team. That's what I wanted to do. Is that what brought you to L.A.? Yeah. Yeah, I moved to L.A. because I wanted to pursue dance.

I really wanted to be a pussycat doll. Like that, like I was like, because I wanted to sing and dance and tour and like that life was really exciting. I feel like you could still live that out though. Could you imagine? I don't know. Yeah. I don't think I can.

I haven't danced in so long. It would just be like a little pivot at this point. Yeah. You can still probably do it. No, it adds to the multifacidness of it all. Yeah. Yeah. If I just come out.

And I always said too, I was like, and I tell my husband this, I was like, I just want to like record like one country song in my life. Like I don't know why country, but just because I feel like I can sing that. the best. But maybe. You never know. When you look back on your childhood and college, were you always into sustainable living? Yeah, I think I always had an interest. I mean, I had an environmental studies minor. So I think, yeah, I must have always been interested in it. I think maybe growing up in Ohio, I just had had a different relationship, maybe with the earth and like my mom always gardened and there was just like maybe a different ethos that I was raised with that I had a different

outlook on the way we live and the way we live on this planet. But it wasn't until, you know, I was a bit older and could step outside of myself and see like what was actually happening in the world, like as an adult to really understand how important trying to live a sustainable life and contributing in that way was. I watched an inconvenient truth as an adult. I'd watched it as a child, like as a teenager and then I watched it again as an adult and it hit me in a different way because I think I couldn't even grasp the concept as much until I was a bit older and grown up a bit. When you got to L.A., when did you realize that maybe you had to find something else other than dancing? Like, what was that like? What was that epiphany? I mean, I loved dancing. Like, I loved, like, I was go-going

and, like, I, that's like a whole other, like, like, go-go dancing. You should be that for Halloween. I know. That'd be cute. I always think I'm like, because I used to, like, I used to do. I'm like, because I used to go, see, these are the moments that I overshare. And then I'm like, am I going to want everyone to know this about me? I used to go go at a night called Truck Stop in West Hollywood. And it was so much fun. And it was like the coyote ugly of like lesbian night. Amazing.

I loved it. And I was so in it. And I really loved being a part of the dance community. I just was like, I don't know, maybe it's the Virgo in me. I was like, how am I going to get a paycheck, though? Like, this is hard. I'm going to cattle calls with 400 dancers, and I don't know anyone. Like, there are politics.

You need to know the choreographers. You need to take people's classes. You need to, you know, and it was really overwhelming to me. And I was like, I need money to pay the bills. Like, I don't know if I can hack this. Like, maybe I'm not good enough, you know, like, I need some other way to make money. And so my dance agent at the time was like, well, look, this creative director choreographer is he needs an assistant. So why don't you do this while you're still

auditioning and like you're still a part of the world because he, you know, is a choreographer and you can have a steady paycheck because that was really stressful to me. Like the freelance of it all and like not knowing when you're going to have a paycheck, it stresses me out. Do you become his assistant? I did. Yeah. And what is that like to be thrown into that world? Because I don't think people understand how much work it is. So much work. It is. Sorry, Katie. I know. Yeah, poor Katie. No, it is a lot of work. I think I just, like, have always been an adaptable person and that really was something that helped me because I didn't really know what I was doing.

Like, I'm just like a kid from a small country town in Ohio. Like, I don't know, like, we didn't go to the dry cleaners. Like, I didn't, you know, like, just simple things that I didn't have the life experience at, God, I was 20, 21 years old. Like, I didn't, I didn't know how to do half a thing. that I was asked to do, but like being an adaptable resourceful person, you just kind of have to figure it out. And it's not like this city is the most forgiving city. Oh my God. No, it's so hard. And back then we didn't have postmates and Instacart and Uber and all of these like resources. It was like I was out there, you know, doing everything from A to Z. But I was really excited about the opportunity because I was like, oh, this is someone who has experience in a field that I'm

really excited about. I'm going to learn so much. And I like, I'm a very dedicated person when it comes to work. Like, I don't like to give less than 100%. And so I kind of just threw myself into it. And then dance kind of just fell to the wayside because I, I don't know, I'm organized. I'm really, I'm a Virgo. I'm good at being an assistant. And I just naturally kind of took to it. I always tell Michael, the number one quality that I want my kids to have is resourcefulness. I think it is the most important quality. It's like figure it out. And I also, when someone presents me all these problems, it's like, what's the solution? Totally. Let's not waste. time on the problem, what's the solution? It sounds like you're like obviously incredibly resourceful.

Yeah. What are some other things that you learned on your first job besides figuring it out? Because you do like that is, to me, that's the foundation of it. Yeah, absolutely. And I think sometimes I see now like with assistants that like my husband and I work with, they're like, it just can't be done. And I'm like, I'll wait for you to figure out how to get to where it's going to be done. Because it just can be. You know what I mean like and I let them I'm like you just sit there with it and you figure it out and then come back to me with a solution because I if I get involved like it'll be handled. So I think absolutely resourcefulness is so key being proactive being one step ahead. And I also what I really learned was to take responsibility. Yes. And that is a really hard thing that some people can't do like well she didn't do this so I couldn't do that and well they told I assume that no you can't ever fucking assume anything. Assume that no one knows how to do their job and that you need to be on top of everything. I think it's one of the hardest things about running a company or an organization is like teaching personal accountability. Because I've always said that if your first thing is, hey, that's somebody else's fault, then nobody's ever going to be willing to help when there's an issue.

Where if instead the mentality is like, hey, this is my fault or my issue, then everyone kind of rallies around and says, okay, let's solve this together. 110%. But if you're constantly pointing the finger, you become the person that nobody wants to help. 100% and I think it's it's a real like mature thing to say oh you know what I'll take that I'll take that that was on me I'm you know what and even if it's like sure the X, Y and Z happen and it maybe it wasn't something in your control but to say you know what you're right like we don't need to have this back and forth of like whose fault is it what it that doesn't serve any purpose it's just like you know what I got it moving forward like I'll handle it this way and then I think that is such a great

skill to have and it's a mature way to work with someone. It's also wasting time to just go back and forth. It's like let's, what's the solution? Well, I also feel it's liberating in a way to just basically take accountability for, like, I think everything's my fault. Really I do. Like, even if I like sometimes I'm going to literal pull that clip next time you do something that are annoying to fuck out of me. You think everything is your fault. Oh yeah. A hundred percent of free. But I mean like even if I can be like we can get into it, whatever as couples do, I will like go back and reflect and like, okay, like, I could have done that differently. I could have responded to. I could have said something. And I think when you do that, it's liberating

because when you take personal accountability, then you can actually make changes and grow. Where if you're constantly blaming everybody else, it disables you from actually making any changes to positive effect. Yeah, I completely agree. When you start your first assistant job, do you know from there that you wanted to get like a celebrity assistant job? Or was it nothing like that? Is it something that you just fell into? It's something I just fell into. I just happened to be really good at being an assistant. I kind of thought my next step would be to be kind of like a creative director or something because that's who I was working for and I really enjoyed it. I enjoyed the creative process of like pulling references and like, you know, coming up with ideas for music

videos or looks or, you know, like just having that creative process was really fulfilling to me and I really enjoyed it. So I thought, oh, like, you know, I could be a creative director in this space. Like this, that's of interest to me. I enjoy set days. I like being on set. I like being around people. I like producing things and having this type of kind of managerial, you know, work life. I kind of felt like I had done everything I could do in that assistant role. And so I was like, you know what? Let me just go back to dance. Like maybe, like let me not give up on my dream. And I, I stepped away for a little bit. Kind of was a little loss in the sauce. Like, am I going to dance? Like, am I going to be a stylist? Like, I don't know. What am I going to do? I don't really have enough experience to be a creative director right now.

And I think it was just a little burnt out, to be honest. Because when you're an assistant, like, it's a lot. It's 24-7 if you're good at it and you're dedicated to it. And so it was two years of 24-7. I was a little burnt out and I was a little lost. And then Robin Anton brought an opportunity to me to interview to be Kim Kardashian's executive assistant. And I was like, oh, the opportunity to work under someone like that. could be incredible, you know, not that I had any interest in, you know, doing or pursuing reality TV, but as an entrepreneur, she had her hand in so many different verticals of this business that I was like, okay, I'm not sure where my lane is, but if I work for her and I learn some things, I'm sure it'll help move me in the right direction. I also think that the systems and the tacticalness, if that's a word, of the way that they run their business, like, is it's your right. It is such an incredible way to learn. Like the organization and like the routines and like what time things are scheduled and how it's scheduled and how they're on time. I mean, it's like a

system. No, it's a machine. It's a machine and it's meticulous and it's, I always say it's like my graduate school because like I learned everything that I know about sending an email to an agent or speaking to a manager or booking glam or finding a photographer or doing product development or dealing with a public set, like every single step of everything that you have to know about being an entrepreneur in the entertainment business I learned from working under Kim. What are some nuances to say something like if people are listening to like an email that maybe you started doing differently? Oh my gosh. I think like the formalities, just having like a professional tone is really important. I don't know. Like I'll see email like for an assistant

that, you know, maybe I'd worked with before and it was kind of like the email, like, the email, You always want to have like a bit of a pleasantry, I think. That's nice for me, especially if it's someone representing me and their interactions, like with a brand. Say a brand is like, hey, we want to, you know, invite you to this event or whatever. And I'm not available. Don't just write back and say, hi, she's passing. Thanks. Oh, my gosh.

The word pass is negative. Yeah. If the way you write an email starts with, unfortunately, throw it in the trash. Throw it in the trash. No one wants to be around Debbie down our scarcity mindset. Yeah. How can you put a spin on it? So you're right. There's a pleasantry and it's also an upbeat undertone that is also professional

without 600 explanation. But I think that goes for anyone in any field. Yes, that's why I think it's a good tip. Definitely. Yeah, I think I was like, no, we don't talk to people like that because this is a relationship that, yeah, sure, I don't want to go to this event, whatever, but I still want to maintain relationships. Like in this business, that is everything. The relationships that you have with people, the way that you interact is it's so, so deeply important. never want anyone to think that like from an email that an assistant wrote that I was ungrateful or curt or didn't, you know, have any respect for the thing that they were asking me to come to because I'm so lucky to even fucking be thought of to be invited to something that

like I want that to be communicated. I also think sometimes people don't realize how high people can rise, right? Oh, totally. Meaning like sometimes you think you're dealing with the bus boy and the next thing you know that guy's running or that girl's running. Well, it's got to be a trip for you because you went from being an assistant and now you're like this like superstar in so many different areas and I also think when it's interesting to me that said you wanted to be you wanted to be a creative director in some ways to me you you were doing creative directing with assistant like it's I've heard Kim talk about it before that you guys would like text about Kim mojis oh my god Like you were like, you sort of like got to experience creative directing.

Totally. It sounds like too. Yeah, totally. I mean, it was like one of those things that I feel like was like in my tool belt that was like just another thing that I could pull out and be like, hey, I'm also your assistant, but like I have other assets that I can bring to the table. I can. And I think that that's important for someone who is an assistant that's looking to grow.

Like bring more to the table. Don't just be like, well, you didn't offer and I didn't, I just want to be the CEO of your company. And I'm like, well, then why don't you say, hey, I'd really love to be more involved in X, Y, and Z. And what about if I started taking calls with your management to see how we can further expand and how I can grow this? Be proactive, be thoughtful, bring something to the table. And then you could see how that might flourish versus, like, I'm just, what am I getting get coffees for the rest of my life? That attitude is going to get you absolutely nowhere.

and sorry to your point again about you never know you never know who you're dealing with like yeah I was an assistant and I can tell you a list of people who when I was working for Kim showed me respect versus a little bit and I remember it always and those were the people that I got back to their emails a little bit quicker you know it's funny like you know what I mean in Caitlin Jenner came on the show and was talking about how Bob Eiger used to be the bellman at a hotel yes yes and like now the guy you know he's Bob Iger he's Bob Eager he's Bob my girl. And it's just like, you never know. You never know. I kind of want you to stay on what you're saying for a minute because a lot of people will say, and I'm not talking about in my company,

I've just heard this, you know, in a lot of places working throughout my years. It's not my job. Yeah. And you said like, oh, I don't want to get coffees. I don't want to open packages for the rest of my life. How would you advise someone who wants to raise within an organization and sort of create their own future? What would you tell them to do and what not to do? Yeah. I think see how you can contribute more in the space you want to be involved in. If that's outside of your lane, have that conversation be like, hey, you know, this is a real interest of me. This vertical of your company is really interesting to me. I would love to just start sitting in on these meetings and just kind of learning and seeing this because I feel like I could really contribute here.

And then it's like, you know, there are definitely instances when I was working for Kim where I'd be like, hey, I think this is a really cool idea to do X, Y, and Z. She didn't ask me to come up with it. But I thought that that could be advantageous for her business, for her blog, for her brand, whatever it is. And so you offer that up. And then people start to say, oh, she's got really good ideas. Let's tap her for this. Oh, you know what? She was really involved in that.

She was really, there was a lot of enthusiasm. She was really excited about that project. Maybe we should bring her in more. Maybe she has something more to offer versus waiting for something, waiting for someone to see that you could be good at something because you're just there. or just asking for more, more, more, more. There has to be a give, give, give, give. It's the ask, ask, ask, ask isn't going to get you anywhere. I think how you gave, gave, gave, gave.

It's like, you want to say for free, but it's like you sort of gave up your ideas to get to the other side. Totally. Yeah. But it also signals enthusiasm. Yeah. Like when you're working in an organization, no matter what kind of level you are, you can always, you know, when you see enthusiasm for people, you kind of, you start paying attention a little bit more, right? It's like, I think people get into a dicey situation when it's like, I have to be acknowledged before I do the work. It's like, do the thing first and the other stuff will take care of itself.

I think sometimes people are, they have it a little backwards. Like in my personal career, it's always been giving a lot more in the beginning in the hopes that later it will pay off. Absolutely. And like there's no, like, if you even start with the mentality that there's any task below you or beneath you, like you've got the wrong. attitude for someone that I want to work with. Like, my husband just started his company. He's still like books his own flights and hotels and gets his own. Like, you know, he's not like, he's not bigger than doing any task that anybody on his company could do. I want you to write a book about this. I'm not joking. I'll take out the trash. I'll open the packages. I'll shovel the shit.

And I think what makes a really interesting boss is the boss or an employee. that's done all the things before they get to their even career. It shows them all the facets of the business. You have to take your ego out of it. You have to take your ego out of it and you've got to pay your dues. I know that social media makes things think, things look like these successes happen overnight. And I know I've heard other people say this, but it's just not the case. Like I have worked in this business. Like I, I mean, I came here when I was 19. Like I just moved here yesterday and all of a sudden I was best friends with Kim Kardashian. Like, you know what I mean? There was like, before I was working for her, I was like sleeping on my friend Anthony's

couch for like three months with like nowhere to go. And I was like, oh, if I didn't have this person to let me sleep on his couch, I would be living out of my car. So like, this wasn't just like all of a sudden I moved to L.A. and all of a sudden I just started working for Kim Kardashian and like here it happened. No, no, no. Like there, you need to like have that experience because in the end of the day, it makes you better at your job. It makes you have a different understanding of how important some of these things are, especially when you're the boss and I'm in this position. And I'm like, oh, no, no, no, you don't understand, like, your frivolousness is costing me money. It's costing me relationships. It's costing me my reputation. It's costing me so many things that that's my

livelihood that I don't have, like, mommy and daddy to, like, fall back on and bail me out. Like, so this is serious to me because this is what I've worked for. This isn't just, like, for fun, you know? I think people really need to hear conversations like this to have context around what it sort of takes to get to where you want to be. You didn't just come here and become her assistant. That's not the way it works. The problem, there's a lot of great things about social media and it's a great tool.

But the problem is, is sometimes people will look at someone at now your station in life with all the success and they'll simplify your story. Sure. Oh, she came here. She became Kim's assistant. They want to put her in a box. No, but I also think it's a way for people to justify sometimes or either contextual how someone has come as far as you've come.

Right? They're like, oh, well, maybe it wasn't as much work. Maybe it was a little luck and then you met this person and then this happened. But most of the people that have come on this show that are high performers or have some sense of accomplishment have all these years that people didn't see of putting in all this harder. I'm so glad people didn't see how those years. You know, though I kind of like, I wish more people showed a lot of that. So the problem is when you're going through, like nobody would have cared when you're sleeping

on the couch back there. And it didn't exist. Exactly. Right. You know, like so like all of it. of my like struggles and and all of that there wasn't a there it just didn't exist. I read a lot of history right and I'm reading a lot and most of the stuff I'm interested in is not all the great stuff that happened after like whoever like I'm reading about like obviously

you're reading because something great happened or they had some kind of great life but I'm trying to like really understand all the bad stuff that they went through first because that to me is where I think most of the lessons are. Totally. Oh absolutely like you have to have grit. You know what I mean? Like I find more often than not that people. who come from adversity or have faced some type of adversity in their life, definitely have

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I feel like you are the queen of organization. And let me tell you two things. So one time, this is, I want to say eight years ago, it might maybe five years ago. I read an article on you. I think it was Refinery 29 about like your day in the life. Yeah, that article. It was. It wants my soul.

It does? Yeah. Because you know, like I said, I don't like to share. And like I like shared so much in that that like it was just fringe. But yeah, go ahead. I mean, I was interesting to see behind the scenes because I'm so interested in like people's like morning routine and nighttime routine. But also then I saw a TikTok recently where you packed. Yeah.

And my husband would, it's like you would pop a boner if you saw the way she cut. He loves shit like that. Might already have. You seriously would like freak out. You should see the way she packed. It's absolutely atrocious. Yeah. So I was like screen.

What do you do? What does she do? What don't I do? No, but you have. like your racks with your little organizers. Like I feel like you need to make like a like sell that. Like the whole setup. She throws so much stuff in a bag or something to shit in the bag and she has no idea where anybody is. And the whole trip she complains because she can't find anything. No, so I'm interested in like that from a voice. That is just like making me really nervous to hear it.

That's why I need a really, really good organized assistant like Katie. She really helps me be organized. Yeah. Were you always like that or is that something that you learned while working on the job? Or was it a medley? It was a medley, for sure. I definitely always had it in me and then going to like the Chris Jenner School of Organization where no one tops her. She is the queen of like the girls there is organized because Chris is the way she is. She is so organized. It's like every time I go to her house, I learn something new. And I'm like, ooh, I'm going to take that. That's great. She's meticulous about it. And so I think it was a medley of just having it because I think you have to love it. You know, mean? Like some people like are just unorganized. It's just who they are. I'm not unorganized. I don't know why you're my house.

It's meticulous. Like Chris Jenner's, no, everything is meticulous in my house. Don't let him laugh. Everything is Chris Jennered out. But I'm not great at packing. The way I text message is chaotic too. Oh, really? It's chaotic. No, Lauren will come in the house. It'll look like a tornado. It'll be a mess. And then

it's her mess. She'll clean it all of herself and get stupid. It's organized hands. You never thank me for cleaning the house. I'm like, that was You're a mess. Everything's organized. Should I come over before you pack for a trip and help you one day? I would send you a picture of what my bathroom looks like with everything disgusting. And then all of a sudden I snap my fingers and it's like perfect.

But it's organized chaos until it's organized. Okay. I think it's probably like a control thing. Like I like to, like I'm a little of a control freak. I think that's like a trauma response. Like you know you see that stuff on TikTok that's like, if you do this, like you definitely experience shout out of trauma. And I'm like, right here. So I think it's like a trauma response that I like to control and I can't control my life so I can control my environment when it comes to like my things.

And it gives me a sense of peace and like harmony that I can eat. Like I love I will probably reorganize my pantry once a month. I love to clean it out. I love to relabel. I love to organize. I it I just, it brings me joy. And I know because I've done closet cleanouts and stuff like this for some of my friends. who can't stand to do it and I'll come over and I'll reorganize and I'll get the new hangers

and I'll do the whole thing and they're like I never would have done this like I don't want to and I'm like I actively want to so I think there is a little bit of like neuroses like and you know like having it be a therapeutic thing but I also like for packing like if I were to be on a trip and not know what I was going to wear that would give me anxiety see Lauren you just got to lean to your trauma yeah exactly that is what I learned from I forgot that was the thing I learned from you was you said like you, you would like plan what you're wearing to lunch and what to dinner. And I was like, oh, I don't do that. See, I'll just pack a bunch of like, I'll be like, oh, I need like three pairs of black

pants and like, but I won't look at the days. You need to dig deep into your trauma. Take deep in. Wait, but I actually, I understand what she's saying, though, about being hyper organized. Everything is organized in the house. Your socks are in the perfect drawer. Everything is organized. I'm going to DM you pictures.

Everything's already. No, no, no. Okay. You can DM pictures. Yeah. But you also have to show Snapshots throughout the week. Okay.

Because are you just like a hurricane? Because my husband's a hurricane throughout the house. I'm like, oh, he was there. He was here. Here's this. Here's that. Here's that. Yes.

But then I'll go in and meticulously Chris Jenner organizing. So it's like it's a Gemini thing. Oh, scary. Yeah. No shit. What are little tiny organization tips that you have learned from Chris Jenner that are so life changing? Like stuff that like we wouldn't even think of.

Like tell me like how she's. organizing like the the toilet drawer like is there like weird toilet drawer the hell's a toilet drawer the toilet drawer first of all wait the dishes the drawer that's underneath this kitchen sink that has like the plunger and the sponges like I wonder no I haven't looked under that actually no no I know we know what we're doing the next time in our house what is like a weird like organization hack that's been like I don't know I think like I mean labeling has definitely changed my game I think everyone knows like labeling is key for things. Maybe everyone knows that. I'm a label, like, I have like a turnstile for like my weed and like it is labeled like setiva, indica hybrid. And like I can,

it's like, I can just turn it. Have you posted that? I want to see. No, I should. I should. It's very like opposite of what you would think a weed smoker would be doing with their weed, but it helps me keep organized. You need to know all the different kinds. So labeling is really key. And I think if everything has a place, nothing gets lost. What's really changed. What's really changed the game for me as like I posted a TikTok and then everyone came for me saying that I was like entitled and stuff and I was like fair I can see that where I posted all of my pants and I have a lot of pants I have a lot of black pants I do cancel me I got a lot of black pants and I want to be efficient and I don't like figuring out how all the different kinds of pants fit and how long they are and

which one are tailored and which ones are for heels and which ones are for flats so I took pictures in all of my pants, and I put photos of them on each hangar, and label them. So that way they have a home. That's maybe more than Chris Jenner. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I don't think Chris has done that. I want to see that TikTok. Maybe Kim has for her storage, I think. Oh, my God. The storage is Oh, you got to have an organized storage and an inventory so you know everything that's in there. It's the commitment of time that you guys have to this is so crazy to. Yeah. So, you guys have to this is so crazy to me. It's not like an easy feat to do all this. I mean, it's a lot of work.

It is. It is. But you feel really good when it's done. And then you're like, hey, where's my DTT? And you're like, I know, it's here. Okay, so there's Polaroid pictures on each of your hangers that shows how you look in the pants. I bought your label maker, the white one. Oh, great.

It's a great label maker. I use it for everything. He's going to try to steal it. Look. Get that label maker out. I don't know why it's been learned. He's like, I never seen it. The label, I have, you know how I have the white rack. in the house when I pack, that's from her.

That's helpful when you do that. It's so helpful, right? I love that one. Because I have to carry all the stuff around and imagine it's just a storm of chaos. He has his fucking packing cubes with his shirts full of perfect. We love a packing cube.

With his hair gel, with the label. He's like, he is like... Listen, my grandmother's full Japanese and I'm poor Japanese and I got... Oh, no way. I don't look at maybe sometimes. My sister's more. But my grandma was like

everything had a place. Everything was clean. Everything was organized. So maybe it's just in our DNA because I'm half Japanese. And although I did not grow up with my Japanese family, I feel inherently drawn to having this type of organization in my life. Like if she moves something out of place. Yeah.

If she doesn't, I know in my mind if it's out of place. And it bothers me. And then we get in fights about it because she will be like, no, I didn't. I'm like, I know you. Yeah, but I do nice things for him. Like your ball hair gets stuck in like the drawer. What are you talking about? So, like, whatever.

the face hair and I like, well, get him, where the fuck that is. And I'll get him like the organizers, like for the drawer and like rinse them out. Like there's things that I do for you that you don't even know. Oh, no, I do all of that. Like, I pack my husband. He has his toiletries the same as mine. Because I'm so controlling, God bless him. I'm such a Monica and he just is so patient with me and lets me like, because I'm like,

white socks. You can't wear black socks. Like I'm not like easy going. How do you fit? I want to know how you fit all of this from a tactical standpoint into your routine. Are you waking up super early? Is it something that you have scheduled in your calendar? Like, I want to know from a micro level how you make all of this happen along with being a businesswoman, being a wife, doing all the things. I definitely rely on my schedule. Like, I'll schedule in, this is when I'm eating. This is when I'm showering. This is my drive time from my house to this podcast. Like I really like to have things. in my calendar? Because if not, then, like, I'm not going to... Maybe I won't do it or maybe I'd forget to do it.

When it comes to packing and stuff, I start that, like, a week in advance. I'm going to just literally keep you around. Whatever the rate is for the day to keep you around and just coach... Oh, my God, you guys. A week in advance. Well, because we're going... We have to go somewhere for, like, a week. And we have to do a bunch of different things.

And she's like, the night before. Oh, God, no. Six hours before the flight. Yeah. There's something sexy to me about the procrastination of it and, like, getting it all done last minute, and then wrapping it in a bow last minute. I think I'm addicted to like the delayed gratification.

You like the adrenaline of like rushing the clock. Yeah. I think that's a trauma. It probably is. It probably definitely is. Yeah, maybe that's my own trauma. She likes to control time in the reverse way. Does that make sense?

No, it doesn't make sense to you guys. You guys are malfunctioning. No, like she, I think, you know, say we have to catch a flight at a specific time. Yeah. She wants to like resist that specific time by pushing. My husband's the same way. I hate it. Yeah.

It would lead to our divorce. If we divorce for any reason, it's because we will miss a flight. You know what I mean? I'm like, why must we get there at the hair? I love it. Like the, what do they go? Like the skin of our teeth. Like, why must we get there?

I like to get there. I don't have to rush. I'm not there super early, but I don't want to be running through the fucking airport. No, no. You know, like in the movie Home Alone when they're running through the airport? That's what my nightmares are made of. Like the family. It's a memory.

Oh, don't even kids in the equation. See you later. Absolutely not. Oh, it's... I would leisurely stroll through with a not of care in the world. I want to watch the other panicked people run by me in a panic.

Wait, I have a question. This is just like really random. Are you one of those people that wants to get on the flight the second at board? Why would you guys want to get settled? I want to get settled into what? It smells.

It's cold. No, I need to get out my pillow. I need to get out my blanket. I need to wipe the seat down. I need to prep my seat. I have like a whole thing that I do when I sit down. I don't want to be in the position

where my thing is not. going to fit in the overhead because someone else put it in before me. You guys, I've never thought about that in my entire life. I saw this guy yesterday because we came last night and he had to put his, he was up in this row and he had to put his bag like seven rows. Who cares? He just up and ran it. Who cares? Hate it. I don't send my energy thinking about any of it. My nightmare. I can't waste my because I have to do it for you. Yes. That's why I married you. I don't want to waste my energy thinking about where my bag goes. I don't want to get on the flight early. It smells. I want to be off the flight as long as I possibly can. No, I don't want to chase the people. I don't, there are because my husband's the same way. He'll have all

his shit out and they're like 20 minutes to landing and I'm like already packing up my blanket like got myself together. It's always at 20 minutes. That's when I know. That's my go time. And he and then he's like the last fucking one off the plane and he forgot is this and the fucking thing. And I'm like, yo, like we've got to move. Like what are you doing? You guys are attracted to that energy though because you guys both are so type A with that that you guys need a little, a little flexibility. I don't know your husband, obviously, but I assume, like, this is what makes. I think if there was two people, you can't, like, we have a couple that we're really good friends with. And they're, the man is like her and the woman's, like, we're all best friends.

Yeah, we have the same. We can't. The dynamic is similar in most couples, I'd have to say. Yeah, you guys would be bored. You know what? We'd be a little less stressed. So I don't know. If you're a couple that's the same, you have to break up because it's not going to work in the long time.

Yeah, if you're a couple that's the same, like, God bless. Must be fucking nice. How did you know that you wanted to? to branch off and do your own thing. And how did you also have a conversation with someone who your employer is like one of the most famous people in the world? You guys are also like best friends. How did that transpire and how did you make it work?

Yeah. Well, I got fired. Oh, you did? Yeah. Like a nice firing? Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, and it was such a huge deal at the time. And like it was like, I mean, fired in the nicest sense of the word.

Like I was crying. She was crying. Like it was a whole like because we are friends. And honestly, like that friendship is really. really important to both of us. But it was kind of like, I think this theme in my life of kind of where I've just inherently felt like, oh, it's time to move on here. Like, I don't know if I have anything more I can, like, contribute to this. And I also, and, you know, I think she probably felt that and saw that. And she's like, I want you to be like, thrive. Yeah, do what, like, you need something

more. Like, you have this thing. Like, pursue that. Like, I'm supporting you, whatever you need. And it was like the most beautiful uncoupling, you know, never been closer and she still is someone that I go to for personal and professional advice all the time. But I think it was just that feeling inside where I was like, okay, I think it's time for me to like to move on. And I didn't really have a plan, but I just knew that it was time for me to try something different. And it took me, that was 2017. That was a long time ago. And so it's really also, I have to say, interesting to be identified and so, like for a job that I had. How many years ago was that? 10 years ago. Yeah, that is got to be interesting. 11 or 9 years ago. You're going to think this is weird,

but in the car, I was like, I don't want to ask her about gossip, but I'm obsessed with the organization and the tacticalness and the routines and everything, all these like tips and tricks that you have to set up such a streamlined day. So for me, I'm like more voyeuristic about how the days are planned, the weeks are planned because it's so much content and people and people wanting things from all, from everything. Yeah. Not just from them, from you too. Yeah. I can only imagine that you almost have to put your blinders on to focus on what you're doing. It's a lot of discipline. Yeah. That goes into what you did. And I also think it seems like you've taken a lot of, the skills that you already had and that you've learned and applied it to now.

Totally. And it's interesting. And I mean, definitely discipline. Definitely like, but also like a lot of like, fuck, I hope this works. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know. Like the landscape of social media was very different when I left. And I never had set out to be like an influencer. That wasn't even a thing really. Like there were bloggers and stuff. And I knew I definitely didn't want to do that. But like to have a social media following and then kind of be like, well, I guess I could use this to make money. Because that's what like, there's offers coming in. I was like, the whole beginning of me leaving my job with Kim was like, let's just try. Like, let's try this.

Let's try that. Like, sure, I'll do that. Yeah, I'll do that. Like, saying yes to a lot of things without any real strategy. Like, I wasn't like, okay, this is the brand I'm going to create. This is the path I'm going to go down. This is the person that I'm going to, like, it wasn't, it was, it was really a hope and a prayer, you know, that it would work out.

The first thing that felt good. The first thing that felt good was doing my J-brand collab. that felt really good to me because I really do enjoy, like, product development. I do enjoy marketing. And I think that, like, when I look back and I'm like, oh, you take little tidbits of things that you do and see, like, oh, that part I loved. That part I hated. I definitely know I'm not going to do that. This part, like, I want more of this.

Where can I find? What's an outlet where I can do more of that? So J Brand, that opportunity of, like, getting to design something and have a collaboration was really exciting for me because I really, value like ownership and like doing something like on my own and owning an idea and seeing it come to life like from the seat of an idea to the execution is really like a thrilling experience. Well I think also what I'm hearing you say here, which I think is really smart is, you know, we get questions all the time from people like trying to figure out what their path in life is going to be, what they're going to do for a career, what their passion is.

And what I've always said is the people that come on that have really figured it out, it's not like it's just been like this one thing that they always knew. It's like this collection of all these little experiences. And they kind of pick and tear apart things that work or don't work for them. And then they kind of put it into the formula that works for themselves. Yeah. Right? Yeah.

And a lot of people, I think they just want it all figured out and wrapped in a bow right away. And I don't think that's realistic. No, it definitely isn't. Because I mean, even after that, like what I wanted to do, that was 2018. I've had so many different evolutions of what I wanted my career to be and what I thought it would be. And, you know, I, what I'm pursuing now looks completely different than what I ever thought I would be doing. I had, I maybe hoped in the back of my mind, I'd have the courage one day to, like, really be on my own and, like, pursue acting and, like, do all of these things. And, like, you want to be a producer.

Like, that just, like, came to me. I was like, oh, I'm a producer. Like, oh, like, that's what all these skills are for. Like, I'm not just, like, a person that can organize pantry. I am. But, like, I can apply this and, like, have a career. out of it, but I also at the same time, really would love to give a hot take that, like, I don't necessarily think that your purpose and passion has to come from your career. I love that we are in this

world where it's like, find something you love and you never work a day in your life. I think that's great. And I think it's a privilege to be able to do that that is not afforded to everyone. And I think it can sometimes be a little, like, not damaging, but it can deter people from, like, just having a career or a job that pays the bills and finding purpose outside of that. And I don't, and I know we're in this real entrepreneurial environment and society where, like, everyone's an entrepreneur and, like, social media has democratized business. And now there's all these small businesses and everyone can have a brand. And I think that's amazing if you have that passion, because having your own brand, like you guys know, is not easy. You have.

have to really, really, really want to do it. And I think young people, if young people are listening that I have talked to, especially in my life, where they're like, I don't know what it is. I just like, I want to have purpose and like my career. And I'm like, there's a world where you can have purpose outside of your job. Your purpose might not be what your job is. And that's okay. My mom worked at General Motors as an electrician for 30 years of her life. That wasn't her purpose. She worked because she had to provide and pay the bills and that's completely normal and should be discussed and talked about like that's a great avenue to take. If you were in the position where you can take care of your family and pay the bills, that's amazing. Her purpose

was raising me. Her purpose was being a mother. Her purpose was outside of work. And I think sometimes when they're just kind of so emmeshed that like you could feel like, oh, well, I'm unfulfilled because this career that I'm in isn't my purpose. When I don't particularly feel fulfilled posting on Instagram, but I've been able to find purpose outside of that in doing cause-driven work and use the assets that I learn from this job that I have, this career that I have, and apply it to making all of this philanthropic stuff that I'm doing. Like, I can use my skills and be an asset there for the organizations that I'm working with. And that's my purpose. And so I think I really hope that people don't always feel so much pressure to have their purpose and

like their life, like their career be the thing that they're like, this has to be what I do. And it is, you know, it's not, it doesn't have to be that. I think it's a real generational thing that we think that we all need to be on like the Forbes list and we all need to like have a like a brand or be this career person where it's like, my purpose is being a good friend. And like I know that like this job pays the bills, but like my purpose is like doing something else or being a good mother or being a great daughter. Like there's so many other ways to have purpose and fulfillment in your life. I just feel like no one talks about that.

And I just, I see so many people struggle with it. And so I know that's a hot take for an entrepreneurial. I think honestly it's some of the best advice we've heard on the show in a long time. And you said it way better than I've ever said it. Honestly. Oh, thank you. Really? Very well spoken.

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That equates to over 40% off your starter pack when you visit Loomidotorant.com and use code skinny. I think that there's also another layer, too, of what you're saying, that there's a pressure on women now, too, like be a stay-at-home mom, cook for the husband, fuck him. And then also... Oh, let's not get rid of those things.

He's like, hold on. Yeah, like, go like then also like be a millionaire. Yeah. And like you're right. It doesn't have to. You can pick. You can cherry pick what works for you. Yeah.

And do that. That's like what I think is like the beauty of like feminism, right? Is like the choice. And not that like to the choice to do whatever the fuck you want to do. And that took a long time for me to, to understand because, you know, I have friends who are stay-at-home moms in back in Ohio, and I'm like, why? You guys, L.A., look at this, look at, and because that's how I feel fulfilled. That's how I feel motivated. That's what energizes me. That's what, like, I enjoy. It's not for everyone.

Like, one way of life is not prescriptive. I even have friends to this day that are like, you need to do this. You need to do this brand. You need to do that. And I'm like, you guys, you have that entrepreneurial spirit in that way. You have something that you want to do. I don't want to do something for the sake of doing something. Like, I'm not going to create a brand just so I can go, oh, I've got a brand. Like, I don't need that, you know. And I think it's making those choices for yourself and not feeling the pressures from the outside to do things that, like, aren't for you. What do you do that doesn't necessarily have to do with money, but that's more to your purpose?

I sit on the board of the people concerned. I sit on the board of the Climate Reality Project. and I try and give as much time and attention that I can to like doing cause-driven work, whether that be educating people about the climate crisis or volunteering my time with the people concern. That makes me feel like I have purpose on this planet, doing that type of stuff, for sure. I love how you said that Instagram, like you don't, you hate it, but you know that it's like part of the gig to push the ideas that you're learning through.

Totally. You use it as a tool. I also think that like sometimes people over glamorize owning a brand or owning a company or running a business. And I think personally I used to get so stressed out about trying to align purpose with a monetizable asset. Right. And you know, what I try to remind people is like a lot of the stuff that you deal with, as you know, running a company or owning a brand or any of these things is like it's a lot of like really stressful, tough stuff firing and high. hiring and HR and all these things. And unless you're really called to that calling, that there's so many other ways to find purpose to your point.

And I think people should talk about some of the ugly stuff a little bit more. Yeah. You know, like when they say you, what is the thing when you find your path? You'll never work a day in your life. Like, no, I'm always working. Yeah. It's a bunch of shit that I don't like all the time. But I happen to love doing this.

And so it enables me to deal with all the shit. 100%. Like I hate sharing. on social media. Hot take. You're private. I just, it's a lot, it's hard for me to do that. And like, but, you know, I know it affords me the life that I have.

And like, there are moments where I do feel connected to people and I really like it. But like, it's not the end all be all, you know, but like sometimes you do things because it, it makes money. And that's fine to live your life. I was telling Lord, when COVID happened. Yeah. Calm down, everybody. I was running this bit.

business, Dear Media, which we're in right now. And half the team and half the company was in Texas, and half the team and half the company was here. And I got into this because I like to talk to people on a mic and have fun and chat. And the amount of people that were bombarding me constantly about the take on COVID and the policies and what I was going to do and not doing, I'm like, holy fucking shit. Like this is like, I'm not the guy. I don't know. I'm a fucking podcaster, right? and but you know you have all these people and you got to think about everyone with there's multiple perspectives and I was just thinking to myself if I didn't absolutely like love talking to people like yourself there's no I would have got up and just said fuck this and

totally and I would have never dealt with anyone so you guys figure it out yeah and I think people like you know they don't think about those kind of things when it comes to yeah and just how hard it is in general like I have friends who are entrepreneurs like Jen Ackin and I mean obviously like him and like seeing Jen create her brand from like the bottom up like it was not easy. She just didn't appear on fucking Sephora shelves. I remember being in her kitchen, like, you know, in the sink, like smelling shampoos and stuff with her. Like, it wasn't just all of a sudden this, like, really huge, glamorous brand.

Like, there are a lot of brands that do not make it because people don't realize how much time and effort. Like, Mariana, like, lives and breathes summer Fridays. Like, it's so successful because she's disciplined and she loves it. Right. And she's passionate about it. And those opportunities and those instances are far and few for people. And that is so amazing if you're in that position. But like, don't knock yourself if you just have a job.

And like it pays the bills. You take care of your family. And then you just live your life. And you find purpose in other ways. That's awesome. Like I think there's two different worlds. And I do think talking about that hopefully makes people feel a little less stressed because it's fucking stressful to be like, oh my God, what am I going to do?

I know I've thought all the time. I'm like, maybe I should go to one of these big companies and just have them deal. with this podcast and I'll just be the talent in that with Lauren, right? I'll just like they can take care of all the stuff and they can figure out the COVID policy, right? But again, I think people unfortunately sometimes over glamorize these things. And again, people will look at someone like yourself who's had all of this success and they'll miss some of the nuances that go in or they'll miss some of the things that you actually find passion with. Yeah.

Right. And I think it's good that you're talking about it more because I think a lot of people look to you as a source of either inspiration or advice or, you know, like where to take their own life. Thank you. Plot twist. Ooh, tell me. You are really into macha. Right? Yeah.

You should get her macha tips. I've seen like the whisk and the whole setup on your page. He just got into macha. Oh, I had to calm down on the coffee. It was a little much. Really? Can you tell him the tips? Because he's like testing milks and frothing and like, we want to know the secret.

Do you have a milk frother? Is that the, I have the... She has a stick one. Should he get the frother? I do like the frother, I've got to say. I have the stick one as well. I think like they're both. but I also have like the Japanese like old school to whisk it by hand which is that's what I want

my roots are calling to me yeah yeah yeah it's really the way like pushing a button is just like no like you really want to and you want to have the mach a bowl like a Japanese ceramic matchable yeah and then you want to hand whisk it and you know you don't go whisk it in a circle you whisk it back and forth do you have a bamboo guy is that I don't have a bamboo guy but I have a I'll send you my but like also god I feel like I'm giving so many hot takes on this. I switched to coffee. You did. I had coffee today because I knew, like, we had to do this cooking show before we came. Do you know who Burt Kreischer is?

No, but that's so fun. He's insane in the best way. But we went there and then now here. So I did have some coffee today because we flew in last night. But I was drinking too much coffee. It was like, it was bad. Oh, I can only do one shot of espresso in my latte. Yeah. So you do a coffee with a shot of espresso in it or just espresso and milk? Espresso and milk, like a latte. I was doing a coffee with a shot of espresso in the coffee. Oh, damn. There's too much.

I would be geeked out. Do you have like a whole because you're so organized? Do you have like a whole ritual around the coffee? Oh yeah. Tell me the ritual. And well, the thing is I got like a coffee. I'm going back to coffee. I know.

I'm like, because I was a macho girl for so long and then I was like, oh, I really want to be a coffee person. I don't know why. I never drank coffee in all of my life. But we got this coffee machine installed in the kitchen. And so now I make my own coffee. I get the best beans. From? I think it's called.

Is it a wolf coffee system? Emile? Emile is great time. The brand, I don't know what the brand is called. Maybe it's called Monarch or the beans that I get are called Monarch. When I tell you I'm such a bean snob now, these beans are, it changed everything. Can I have you a good thing? I will, I'll send you mold free beans.

I've never seen mold. No, but I mean like sometimes, oh, oh God, oh, God. Coffee has mold. Sometimes coffee beans have mold. They're probably mold free. I'm going to guess they're mold-free. They're probably mold-free. They're the, like, because I don't add sugar.

I don't add any of that. because the beans are just so delicious. It's like an espresso shot and then I'll put an oat milk in it. Okay, but I'm going to tell you something. I've been drinking raw milk. I think that's just for you, babe. But I want to tell you guys. I don't think you can talk about that long.

I think you get arrested for having raw milk. I want to tell you about raw milk. Oh, is that illegal? I think people are like rating. People are saying it's illegal. Shut the fuck. We're going to get some trouble. Raw milk is the best pre-workout in your coffee because you get any.

energy, a little sugar, a little carb. Okay. But you might not be with raw milk. Well, they say that the, that you people become lactose intolerant because of the way the milk is pasteurized. Is that correct? Yeah, that's the way that's, the way it was like something that you're, you didn't have an enzyme to digest.

Well, because I think the way they treated. Listen, the internet's now going to yell at me. Yeah, no. No. El Alidino's going to listen and throw the mic across the room. I think that has to, they're saying that if it's raw milk and it hasn't been pasturized or press or hot press. Yeah, yeah.

that you can, your system can tolerate it. I don't think you're the raw milk expert, but I'm going to tell you it's a great pre-workout. My eczema flares up when I do dairy. Try raw milk. Okay. Let me tell you something. Raw milk sounds really gnarly. I'm like a dealer.

Didn't they talk about raw milk on that one show? Which one? With Dan Levy. Oh, when they live in a motel? Shitt's Creek. Yeah, Schitt's Creek. He like sold raw milk and it was like secretly. Yeah.

Because is it like a thing. Text in someone. Yeah. It's the whole thing. Lord, you're going to get in trouble. And also, you know that whatever we talk about on this show, I will proclaim to be an What other wellness routines and rituals do you do? You run your life, in my opinion, very disciplined.

So what are the things that you do in the morning, in the night, like any like weird, random niche things? I recently got a trampoline. Rebound therapy. Yeah, I do rebound in a bellicone. I recently got that just to help with the lymphatic system. It helps like wake me up. And I added that to my morning routine.

And also this woman, this spiritual woman that I work with, She told me that I need to get outside because I need to just like, obviously you don't pick up your phone. Obviously, I do it. I pick up my phone. But when I'm trying to be good, I don't. And then I just go outside and you just like want the sun to like, just be outside. Take the breaths. And I do my jumps on the trampoline just to like wake my body up.

That's a great tip. You're outside. You're soaking in the sunlight. Yeah. We just got, we just had a half an hour conversation about butthole sunning. So that's definitely not in my morning routine. as of yet. Go on the rebounder and just

ass to the sky. Jumping on. You never know with the internet. Yeah. I mean, I'll TikTok it and then maybe I'll go. That would, yeah. Sell some trampolines. I'm sure the rebounder people would find that.

Would really enjoy. What are some ways that people can quickly do something good for the earth? Just like three tips that they can quickly change today. Buy less. I mean, shop locally. And vote. What about something with plastic? Is there something that you have switched to that was plastic that you didn't even know?

We don't use any plastic. No plastic. Yeah. I mean, sometimes look, but plastic has been made to be the enemy and sometimes plastic is necessary. Like in hospitals or whatever, like, you know, we can't. Like plastic isn't always like the enemy. There are uses for it. But single use plastic where you can have something that is reusable, obviously take that option.

I have a friend who's part of the physically challenged community. And he's like crusading against. plastic alternative because he needs it. Yeah, some people absolutely do. And so I think I think too, like as we're on this like climate journey as a society, like things are changing the way that we like the way we are targeted and blamed as consumers for this problem, I think is a lot of the problem where there are a handful of companies that are polluting far more than any single individual. And if they happen to just change the way that they were doing their running their business, this climate crisis would not be so dire in the situation.

As an individual, yes, we can all do small steps, but on a larger scale, like, we're not to blame because this thing can't be recycled. The people that are making the thing that can't be recycled, they should be the ones that are taking, you know, accountability for the shit that they put in the world. Could you give an example without naming names of something that you're talking about? I mean, like, you think about plastic bottles, right? Like, they're not always, like, we have glass here. like everyone's like the whole recycling thing is kind of like a marketing scheme like you bought it so you have your you take responsibility but like no this is these are the only products that are available to me this is the only thing that's i only have access to this product that's not a consumer thing that's a manufacturer thing and so to put the responsibility on consumers is really unfair honestly and so it's like as consumers we have to like advocate with our purchases and like our vote to help change these policies so that's that's that

there's more, you know, policing of these large companies that are fucking polluting the entire world. What are you working on right now that is in line with that or something that you're excited about? Oh my gosh. Future Earth is partnering with climate power, which is really exciting. They're an incredible organization and it's just going to give us so much more opportunity to, you know, have larger campaigns and do more like, you know, I hate saying IRL. I don't know why I said that. do more in-person activations and just kind of like, you know, put more backing into a lot of the projects that we want to do. So I'm really excited about that. Give us Steph's number one beauty tip. The hair. I mean, is the hair, is this just like,

is this just like the hair, your hair, your hair is like stunning. Is this just your hair that you're genetically born with? Kind of, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She is beautiful. You both have beautiful hair. You've got great hair. Yeah. Asian hair. Yeah, I think it is that. My sisters have that long, beautiful. What's the beauty tip? One beauty tip if you have one. Oh my gosh.

Your best one. I have a good dermatologist. I don't know. Your skin care? I guess like just like wash your face before bed. Oh my God. So your hair is just naturally like this in your skin. I have a good dermatologist, honestly.

Like understand your skin. Less is more for me. Can you share her you dermatologist? I go to Christy Kid in Beverly Hills. I love her. She's amazing. but I think finding a dermatologist that's like, okay, like some people don't even know what kind of skin texture or skin, like, are you oily or that? Like, who knows?

Like, I have tried so many different things that I'm like, oh, I only put moisturizer. Like, I don't put moisturizer in this part of my face. Huh. So, like, you know, tailoring routines, like, like what Haley Bieber does is not necessarily like going to be the right thing for me. But I'm going to try her products for sure. But, like, I'm going to only try them right here. Huh. Because, like, this part of my face gets really clogged.

And that's just something that I've learned about myself in like trial and error. And so now I only, like I'm a cheeky and a girl. We need to go to Christy kid and we need to find out where we should be putting moisturiseries. Yeah. And I love lasers. Which laser genesis. Laser Genesis. Live for it.

What do you get that? Is that Dr. Diamond? I do Christy Kid for laser genesis. Love laser genesis. And like, you know, treat yourself to a facial every now and again if you can. Facial. We all like, it's nice. A facial is my favorite.

Like, that's, if I, for the rest of my life, could do one thing once a week, have you have facial. Yeah. Where can everyone find you? Your collaborations, which one are available? Is Beekeepers Natural still available? I don't know if Beekeepers is still available, actually. My Adanola collab, well, it's sold out, so. In 48 hours, your collaboration sold out.

That's incredible. Yeah, that was exciting. You're also a long-term ambassador of Slip. We love our Slips Crunchies. You had a collaboration with Beekeepers Naturals. Which we love. We love that collaboration. I love beekeepers.

All of their products, honestly, are. are so good for you. It's the best. My kids like fight me to drink the cough syrup when they're sick. Even when they're not sick. And they're like, hey. And spray that you spray in your mouth. And it's the propolis, the throat's right. It's the best. It's the best thing, especially traveling. And the brain fuel. It's like, I have brain fuel literally in my bag right now. That's the jam. Hi, Carly. And you're an investor in Cove, U.S. ambassador for, how do you say it? Vulgarie. Vulgarie jewelry. I mean, very impressive. Where goes that partnership, Lauren. Where can everyone find you support everything you're doing?

Pimp yourself out to our audience. Ooh, cool. You can find me on Instagram at Steph Shep. And I don't really live on TikTok, but you could find me there if you so choose. We're still trying to figure out TikTok, to be honest. And you're also in a feature film, Something from Tiffany's, produced by Reese Witherspins Hello Sunshine. That came out last year, yeah.

Pretty cool. Yeah. Damn, you're busy. You got a lot going on. Thank you. Thank you for coming on that interview. I got some tips and tricks. And you guys go check out her TikTok because I'm telling you, the packing thing changed my chaotic

life. Thank you for doing this. Thank you guys for having me. Thank you. As always, let us know who you guys want to hear next on the show. Go to my Instagram at Lauren Bostic. We love your guest recommendations. And make sure you've rated and reviewed the podcast on iTunes.

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