The Bossticks - Supermodel Turned Entrepreneur Karolína Kurková On Wellness, Work Ethic, Diet, & Evolving Your Career

Episode Date: March 17, 2020

#254: On this episode we sit down with supermodel turned entrepreneur Karolína Kurková. Karolína is a Czech model and actress, best known as a former Victoria's Secret Angel and Vogue cover star. On today's episode Karolína discusses wellness trends and tips, diet routines, and how to outwork the competition. We also discuss what it takes to continue evolving your career. To connect with Karolína Kurková click HERE To connect with Lauryn Evarts click HERE To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM To Call the Him & Her Hotline call: 1-833-SKINNYS (754-6697) This episode is brought to you by Joovv. Experience the benefits of red light therapy by one of the best in the business; JOOVV! To experience the Joovv and receive a free gift with purchase go to joovv.com/skinny This episode is brought to you by OUAI OUAI was created by celebrity hairstylist Jen Atkin. Ouai crowdsourced and tested these formulas with their community and used real customer feedback to develop these shampoos and conditioners. With Biotin to strengthen hair, chia seed to thicken and volumize and keratin to reduce frizz and flyaways. All color safe, sulfate free, cruelty free, and sustainable. Shop new shampoos and conditioners at THEOUAI.COM and don't forget to use code SKINNY to receive 3 FREE samples with your order.  This episode is brought to you by Sephora At Sephora, we know makeup. It's been in our DNA since day one. From the contouring trend to Fenty Beauty frenzy to SEPHORiA's lipstick-packed playground, we bring the very best the makeup world has to offer. Our latest obsession? Clean makeup. When we saw the newest wave of Clean— uncompromising in its glow-giving, pigment-rich, stay-all-day glory—we knew it was the game-changing lineup you've all been waiting for. These products read like a highlight reel of beauty innovation, and it just so happens that they're packed with good-for-you ingredients, too. Sephora doesn't make exceptions for Clean—this March, we're raising the expectation on what Clean can be Produced by Dear Media 

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Fantastic. And he's a serial entrepreneur. A very smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you alone for the ride. Get ready for some major realness. Welcome to the skinny confidential, him and her. Ah ha. Now we're saying, you know, know what, you are you and you just have to do the best that you can do and be, you know, you be a good person, be amazing what you do, come ready, be prepared, give more than you ever expect it. Like, I give my blood, my heart when I go to work. It's just how I do it, how I like to do it, whatever it is. And, you know, I feel like there's a space for everybody. And if people, like, they feel like you're right for it, then you're right for it. Like, and if you're not,

then you're not, you know. Hello, hello, hello. Happy Tuesday and welcome back to the skinny confidential him and her show that clip was from our guest at the show today. Carolina Kerkova, we are in our house. I'm sure many of you are also in your house. Yeah, you're probably listening from home. Unless you're one of those young savages that aren't listening to the rules and you're out there just partying your face off.

You damn you, you young kids. Yeah, maybe some of you were listening on spring break. I am Lauren Everett's the creator of the skinny confidential and a cross from me is my husband. He's wearing a mask. He's wearing gloves. He's wearing shoe covers. In the house. You're going to be extra careful.

Don't know if you're, if you got the corona. It's, it's wild, Michael. It's a wild time. It's a wild time to be alive. Everybody hope you're saying safe. Hope you're following the rules. Hope you're being thoughtful about other people. I gave my whole team work from home.

Everyone's out of the studios. Dear Media is a ghost town. We're on lockdown. You know what's sad is that I have to be locked in this house with you for a week. I need to make sure you're compliant. I don't, I don't trust you. You're not following close enough. You're not staying compliant.

And so I'm compliant. I had to be here not only to protect myself, but I also got to make sure that you're not out there spreading germs and being wild. So like, you know. No, when I'm trying to breastfeed, he comes in, he turns the lights too high. The music's a little too high. You're pacing with your conference calls. It's just like I don't have my normal like day to day when you're here.

Listen, hot Pilates can wait a week, Lauren. You're going to be okay. All right. All right. Okay. Today we have Carolina Kerkoba. You may know her from Victoria's Secrets. She was a top model.

She was an angel. She walked the runway. She was major. She's also been in vogue and multiple amazing publications. Now she has an herbal-based wellness company. You can expect a line of elixir, probiotic powders, and bath and body products for kids. It's a really incredible line. She's going to tell you all about it.

So let's welcome Carolina to the skinny confidential, him and her podcast. This is the skinny confidential, him and her. It's nice to be appreciated and noticed sometimes, you know? Oh, I mean, are you, Aries? Yes. Oh, my God. How did I guess this? This is crazy.

My husband is Aries. That's why I know. Listen, you must have really good taste of your... Oh, God. Oh, God. I know you, my God. How did you know? Because it's something that exactly my husband would say,

you know, I just want to be appreciated. It would be really nice if I was appreciated. I'm like, you are! What do you want me to do? How long have you and your husband been married for? We've been married 10 and a half years, together, 11 and a half years. And where did you guys meet? So we met actually in New York.

but I used to live in York and he lived on the West Coast but we met in York he was visiting and that's actually a movie on its own how we met how so kind of like tell us so my god it's a long story guys I would have to have him here

and we have a lot of time no but it's really fun when I said and he says it because like you hear the different like point of views and like you know where I was at in my life or he was at what he was thinking what I was thinking because we actually got to know each other through writing

So we met very quickly and we actually connected through friends on Facebook. I mean, this is like, you know, 10 and a half years ago. So it was a different time of Facebook. And now we would write to each other and then it went to emails. And for like a month and a half, we would email each other like these letters, literally like letters that we would like, you know, talk and discuss life and, you know, everything, what we wanted and wished and never like anything sexual. And after a month and a half, we talked on the phone and then we spoke every day for like another month. And then we decided to kind of reconnect and meet in person again after just meeting one time in New York with like a bunch of people. And, you know, then the rest is his story.

I've never left and we were together ever since. It's very, very fun. I actually should say it one time the story like fully how we met and really get into all the details because it's hysterical and funny and sweet. He sounds really cute. So do you guys live in New York now? Hold on, let me say something. Do you know how good of a penman your husband must be? Do you know how many men try to write to women on Facebook love letters, especially, you know, known models and they strike out? Yeah, he was like a pen pal. Yeah, you know, again, it was 10 and a half years ago. It was a very different time of like that whole social media and Facebook, right? It's not where we are now. And we didn't write like long letters on Facebook. It's really when we connected on email. We really wrote to each other. And it was really cool because we, that was really a way we really got to know each other in like no pressure. Like, you know, he didn't really know what I was doing. Like he didn't know who. I was. He kind of pendant. He actually, well, it's, it's very funny. Did he come from anywhere of the same

kind of, he thought I was a bisexual girl from like Eastern Block, looking for a guy with money. That's kind of what he thought of me actually. Lou, he prejudged you. Exactly. Deceptively intelligent. So he, you know, that's kind of the idea that he had because, you know, I didn't have much on my Facebook. I had like really funny. I didn't even have my modeling pictures there. I had my picture, my profile picture was like this. You know, so it's not like I was doing. anything funny and cute. But because I was from the Czech Republic. And, you know, he had some prior experiences maybe with other people.

I don't know. So, yeah, he, that was very funny. So are you guys in New York now? No, we're based in Miami, actually. You're based in Miami. We lived in York. We had our first son in New York. And now we were based in Miami with our two boys.

Okay. So take us back, like way back when you're a child. How did you get approached to become a model? Or did you actually go seek it out? and sort of go on auditions. Yeah, I said we're going to get to know each other really well. Let's go way back. Okay, let's go way back.

So let's go when I was 14 years old. So actually growing up and being, you know, that teenager, Carolina, I was very different. I grew up in a small town in the Czech Republic. And I was different body type, you know, I was not as developed as the other girls, you know, who had curves and were very matured. I was very tall. I was the tallest from the class and from most. most of the skulls. I was really tall and I had like long arms and long legs and they were really

skinny. So very skinny. So I was just very different and people always used to like look at me and point in my legs and laugh at my legs. So I definitely a lot, you know, through my young adulthood, I didn't wear shorts skirts or shorts. I would wear a lot of pens. I would always cover my legs. You know, I was definitely insecure about my legs and my body, you know, have big teeth. I didn't know like how to like smile and utilize it. Those assholes were. probably feeling pretty stupid when you were walking the Victoria Secret Runway. I mean, so that's kind of, you know, I was that girl, right? So I was funny.

I've always had friends. Like I got along well with the girls, but I got along with the guys because my dad was a professional basketball player. And I, you know, love sports. I did sports. I was a professional gymnast from age six to 13 where I had to audition. So I would train every day before school and after school. And then, you know, after seven years doing that.

and kind of really got super tall and long. And, you know, my body changed for that type of performance to be a really good gymnast. Like, I just knew I had, I will have to change. So I wanted to go into modern ballet, but I had no teacher that I really connected to. So then I said, well, I'm going to try basketball. I love basketball.

You know, I grew up with basketball. My dad, you know, was the top basketball player. And so I did that. But, yeah, I was pretty to look at, but that definitely was not my sports. You know, I'm just supposed to. delicate, too dentee, to elegant. And then, anyway, I got into the fashion business and how I got into it, again, I really didn't

like being fun of camera. I hated taking pictures. Hated it. Like, you know, school photos or family photos. We had an aunt, and we still do, she's alive. And she loves taking videos and pictures. You know, the family would get together. She'd be like, smile and tell me how you're being.

And you're like, oh, I hate that was literally like the worst for me. I was like, I hate this. I don't want a video of pictures. And I was like, okay, I'm going to smile and just make her happy. But I did not like it. But at school, I would do a lot of theater with my class and that I loved. Somehow I really felt comfortable because I could kind of, you know, let lose and be goofy and move my body and kind of let the body be and not be so self-conscious and kind of

what I was self-conscious about and maybe insecure kind of was funny. Because I could just, you know, do a move and people would laugh because that was kind of funny, you know, of seeing the long limbs kind of move in a funny way and do a funny expression. So I was lucky that I had that and had a sense of humor that kind of pulled me through and I could deal with the insecurity of like the body and just people looking at me and laughing at me. And I had a friend at school who wanted to be a photographer and she just got a camera and she said, you know, we were 14.

Can I take a picture of you in your room? You know, we're 14. So I put like the lip gloss that was like a lot of makeup. lip gloss. Like now 14, it's like... People are done up now. I mean, more than my self. It's like baking and contouring. You know, we were 14, was innocent, guys. It was like a lip gloss

was makeup. And she takes few pictures, sends it to an agency without telling me. They call me. She was 14 and she was like 14 too. And she sent it to an agency. Okay. She like email it to, you know, I mean, mailed it. No, email it because we didn't, you know, have that 21 years ago. It's a different time. She

mail it to them and they called me and they said, you know, we saw your pictures. We would love to meet you, would you be interested in modeling? And I feel like every girl at that age, like, you know, wants to feel good and pretty. And you think of models or singers or actors on camera. You think, oh, what, they're pretty. They're confident. And they were nice clothes. You know, it is something aspiring for a young girl, you know. So I thought, maybe I should, like, give it a try. Like, I wanted to first kill my friend. And then second, I thought, well, maybe I should go. It could be cool. Like, I'm, you know, kind of want to try, but I'm very insecure. I don't know.

So I went with my parents And I met them and they thought I should give it a go And so I believe You know Them believing in me Kind of believed in myself And I said, okay, I'm going to give it a try

And I would go in castings I would do pictures And it's funny Once I was in front of the camera Like in the professional way And with the team Like I knew what to do Like I've done it before

I understood the light I understood how to move I think also Understanding my body being a gymnast like I was really good with my body, like I knew a little bit how to move it and how to have like strength in the body, even for such a young girl. And so, yeah, I really liked it and, you know, got into it.

And then I went to Milan for two weeks with another girl from my agency. I was 15 for two weeks. And, you know, my parents were huge believers in language. They're like the only way you're really going to learn a language is when you get. get out and you really have to like use it, you know, because at school, the teachers will teach us English, but it was like, how are you? Where are you from? You know, so we definitely knew, you know, we got to get out to the world and like be exposed and learn and just be forced to speak English and that's like the best school. So I went for two weeks. I saw people and clients and

I met this casting director who at the time was casting for Prada, which really Prada, I mean, that time it still is, you know, there are kind of the makers. They're very specific about their casting and who they're cast and how they do their shows and everything. And they liked me. They booked me. And I was the exclusive girl for that season for the runway show. So I spent two weeks in the Milan office with them. All the clothes were made on me, the outfits, the looks of that season.

I opened the show. And of course, I was the, you know, it was in a time of the Brazilians, right? by Giselle and all those girls, the glamazons. And then, you know, here I am, this blonde girl from Czech Republic, this girl that nobody knew. I mean, I've done anything. I was like, that was my first big thing in fashion scene. So when you're 15, you're already around Giselle and all these Brazilian women. I mean, all these megastars, yeah.

What's the competition? Like, okay, so you're 15. I want to read between the lines here. How many other women are going for Prada? Like, how many are you competing? Are they just selecting? Is it like, is it a competition type thing? Or, like, how does it work?

I mean, of course, the whole modeling world. I mean, of course, everybody wants to be the new next girl, right? I mean, there are girls who are already working and maybe already have careers and are established where I may be doing these shows. But then there's a lot of new girls. Do people get jealous? We're trying to break into the business, like, you know, me, and this is my, I mean, huge big thing. But a 15 years old new, do people start to get threatened and jealous?

I mean, what's so young at age? Yeah, but I don't know. I've never been that kind of person. I don't look at like, oh my God, look at her. Like, I want to get her job. And like, you know, I mean, it's a human nature. Of course, we like, you know, compare. Sure.

Like, oh, my God, she's beautiful or this and that. You know, of course, human nature like comes in, you know, where like, oh, I wish this and that. But I, you know, I always like snip myself out of it. And I always think, you know, what, you are you and you just have to do the best that you can do and be, you know, you be a good person. Be amazing what you do. Come ready. Be prepared. give more than you ever expect it. You know, don't give 100% give. I always give 200%. Like, I give my

blood, my heart when I go to work. It's just how I do it, how I like to do it, whatever it is. Whether it's like washing the dishes, you know, being on a set for Vogue or Prada or, you know, volunteering or with my kids. It's just like how, that's my type of personality. And, you know, I feel like there's a space for everybody. And if people, like, they feel like you're right for it, then you're right for it. Like, and if you're not, then you're not, you know. So I think, there's kind of space for everyone and you just have to be you and be unique. So how quickly do you go from Prada at 15 to Victoria's Secret? Is there a big gap?

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It's the Jove Mini. You can't go wrong. your coffee in the morning, turn it on, and be prepared to feel amazing. That's juve.com slash skinny. All right, let's get back into the show. No, very quickly. So then I come to New York, and I see people in New York, and I meet Anna Wintour in her office. And she called you the next supermodel we read. Yes, the next and the last. That's pretty fucking amazing to be called that by Anna Wintor. I know, but it was before I met her. And I remember going to her office meeting her, I know I'm 16.

And I think what helped a lot at the beginning, it's kind of not knowing. Yeah, you're so young. You know, like what to expect. And I mean, you kind of know, but you don't really know. So you kind of, you know, you're just going to do your best, enjoy the moment. Maybe tomorrow it will be gone and that's it. And, you know, you had that opportunity. You had that moment.

And you made the best out of it. You know, I never really expected and thought I will have this career and I would do it forever. I mean, I was really good at school. You know, I don't know. I just didn't ever think. But then once I got into it, I really enjoyed it and loved it and, you know, a stubborn young self. And I think then what also pushed me and wanted to be the best and kind of stay and do everything is when also you meet people who don't believe in you or, you know, kind of want to put you, oh, she's that and she can be doing bad. And I don't think so she can do that when I know I can do anything.

And, you know, I'm very, I can mold. I can, I'm very fluid. I'm not just one look, one type. Like, that's also like just me. You know, I can play it. I'm not afraid to be pretty ugly, weird, solely vulnerable. So I think that was my drive a lot to kind of stay and be like, you know, like, when you're young, you're that very stubborn. You're like, I'm going to show them.

I'm going to prove them. They're wrong. Well, it probably makes you outwork people too. I was talking to something. You know, I always talk about, I play an interesting role here when I'm sitting on the dear media, like if I'm running the company or if I'm doing this. But there's people that come and say, well, why is this? person here. I'm like, well, it really, it's like not about, I mean, yes, talent plays into it and this and that, but like, sometimes people are just outworking you. And I want to talk to you a little bit about

how much work actually goes in because this is people, I think a lot of people that have the misconception that modeling is easy. And Lauren and I've been talking about like, it is not easy. There is so, I think it's one of the hardest. Travel, being on your feet all the time. You're on camera, having people in your face. Like, it's a lot of fucking work. Maybe you could talk about that a little but yeah i mean when you are in the set you and it's also like you know how i'm sure we're going to tap into like you know the company now that i confound it but and you know why i i'm also since a very young age i've been to like the wellness and you know really taking care of myself from outside in inside out i've learned it very early on first as an athlete myself second with my

father him being an athlete and kind of seeing him and his work ethic his discipline and how he took care of himself. I mean, athletes in those times were it was a very different time. I mean, when I hear my dad stories, you know, they would drink up to 4 a.m. and then go play at 9 am. You know, and that's how it was. You know, they would play in like converse, you know, which is like not the best shoe support, you know, when you're running around and playing sport, right? Like, that's not the bad shoe. So, but they still did it. You know, they, you know, they performed, they won and they did great. So I think I've learned a lot from my father, but then also from my own experience coming into the fashion business, you know,

age 15, you know, how do you sustain this energy, the beautiful skin, the energy, the energy to give. Like when I work, when I come in, I come in to give. I mean, I hope you feel it. Like, I'm very, you know, I love people who have a good time. I want everybody to be together. Okay, we're here to create something amazing. I don't come in like, okay, what are we doing? No, you have a lot of energy. And then let's leave and let's go home. By the way, you can tell that when you came in for the podcast, even, you do, it's a giving energy. That's why I say, I said, you, my name Terrell. So, like, I mean, no matter how small things are, how big, like, that's how I treat things

and how I want to come in. And, you know, that doesn't just, like, happen, right? It's just something like you have to, you know, yes, I have it in me, but I've learned to kind of how do I preserve it? How do I create it? How do I maintain it? Because maintaining energy also for 18, 20 hours, you know, sometimes a day, in high heels, you're surrounded sometimes by a lot of people.

The manicures. Somebody's doing your hair. Then somebody's touching your face. then there is a person interviewing you, so you have to answer questions, so you have to kind of thing. Then, you know, then you have the photographer telling you about the concept. Then you have the, you know, our director telling you what he's thinking to. Then you have the client. Then you have the stylist.

You know, then you're on the set. Like there's millions of people looking at you. Lights going, flashes going. You know, you might be tired, your heart. You have your period or you crampy. God knows what's going on your life. But all of that, you somehow have to like put to a drawer and be like, okay, I'm here on the sad, okay, this is where I am. I'm going to give my best. I'm going to be amazing. What am I

creating? You know, and then I get into like my zone. Like, okay, what are we telling? Who am I? What, what do I want to give in this picture? You know, and then I have to like go in and I'll use tools. So for me, music, it's a very important tool when I work. Yeah. Of course, hair makeup, you know, that kind of inspires you the way you move, the lighting, clothes, but also how I feed myself, you know, taking the vitamins, like B12 for energy, maybe getting acupuncture, making sure that my energy is not stuck, it's flowing, cupping, you know, a lot of our work, it's, you know, physical, maybe in strange positions, your feet are crammed in these super tight heels in for 20 hours. You're jumping in them, you're walking in them, your feet is swollen,

it's sweating, it's like cramped in it, you know, they're too small. Then you're on the plane, you know, in weird positions and they're pulling your hair and then, you know, you go and go and go. So, yeah, vitamins, very important, you know, rest, sleeping. And also, like, taking care of not just your body, but also your mind and your spirit, right? Just feeling sane, feeling like you're happy about what you're doing. What's, you know, that you feel like you have a purpose, you know, you did something good that day. You know, whether you touch somebody with your smile or that you gave them attention, you know, you made somebody feel good. You lift them up when they were down.

You know, so it's not always just about the picture or your performance. Of course, that's important too because that's what I'm really there to do. But I'm at the same time there to also create an amazing experience for the team, for the people, on a people level. How do you not get sucked into the pressures of modeling? Because I recently read Janice Dickinson's book. Have you read that? No.

Oh, my God. So back in the day when she was a model, I think it was very different. A lot of drugs, a lot of eating disorders, a lot of pressure. How did you sort of put your blinders on and not feed into that pressure? Okay. quick break let's talk hair i mean you guys have seen this all over your instagram feed it's it's kind of impossible to ignore you've seen it on my instagram stories and a lot of other creator stories and that is way so way was created by the one and only jen adkin she screams influence first of all she was voted

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How many years apart? Three years. Okay. So I think, you know, that gives you a lot of responsibility very early on, that, you know, someone you kind of have to watch out for and care for. I've always been just very independent. And, you know, I've always, like my parents both work. My dad can cook and clean.

Can, you know, do anything. My mom can do anything. My mom paints. She bakes. She cooks. She can remodel homes. She can lay down wooden floors and tiles. But she can, like, she works in a bang and with numbers.

So, like, both. of my parents were so fluid and like there was never you know they they would just get things done they would like work as a team they were i don't know they just like they were hard workers you know they were doors they were just always like doing something having fun and doing it beautifully and you know have great style both of them so i think that really gave me a great foundation and then I think I talked about it earlier, kind of, you know, just staying, you know, who you are and just like, you know what, this is who I am and I'm, I need to like stay healthy. I think that was always important to me, you know, being healthy at the end of the day. Like, I want to be healthy. I want

to be sane, you know, and yes, I have my moments, you know, where I went through, you know, some challenges and I really had to like learn. And that one time my life, I really had to, you know, learn. and I clean out people around me and I really dive even deeper into my, like, wellness. But it was a great lesson. You know, it was a painful time, but I've learned a lot from that time. And I learned a lot about people. And so then you just keep people that you love close by and that, you know, people love you and make you feel good and push you and inspire you're willing. But of course, in the business, there are people, not everybody's going to truly love you and care about you.

So I've learned that, you know, so you kind of have to understand, okay, you know, they care about me maybe for that minute. or when I'm able to give and make them look good. And, you know, that doesn't mean that you're going to be a bitter, horrible person. You just still be your good person that will, you know, hopefully rub off and, like, inspiring them to still be a, you know, good person. But, you know, they're doing their job and, you know, everybody's going to, like, connect and everybody's going to be a family. And, you know, I try to.

But I've learned that, you know, that's not just how it always is. And that's why you keep your friends and family close. by and you know you make the best out of it and then just you you know you keep working hard you know well I imagine in your I mean especially in your life in like in the profession you've chosen there's probably it's probably been difficult at times to filter the right people because there's a lot of people that probably are around for the wrong reasons and it's like you know you're getting all this attention you're on camera all the time of the public really you're like everyone's looking like how do you how do you start to figure out how to filter out like who should be in your life

and who should not well you learn you learn of course when you young you don't you know you don't You know, you don't have the best filter per se. But I don't know. I've always been kind of a little bit of tough. Like I'm very, you know, I'm very nice and warm. But to get in, I take, you know, I take my time. I don't always let just everybody, you know, in. I kind of take my time.

And I like to have like, I think both of us, we like have like thousands of acquaintances, but like very few, very close friends. Because at least people that, you know, take time, like, it could be years. Exactly. And all do you get, then, you know, you realize you don't really need that many, you know, and already we're in business. We're surrounded by so many great, I mean, great people. It doesn't mean that, you know, that you don't love them, care about that.

Sure. You know, but you have so much, so much time in that day that you, you know, between your work and your family and then, you know, that you can really give. So it's really who is maybe around you a lot or who's really working with you that you spend a lot of time with. And then you have kids. And then you have kids on top of it. Once you have kids, it's like you really have.

What are we in for? Yeah. The kids thing is like I feel like it's a filter of like, okay, when you only have so much energy every day and then you have kids and then it's like, okay, you're going to give half the energy to the kid. And then with this one, I need like he needs at least, you know, another 40 percent of the energy. I was going to name the kid excuse Bostick because it's like, I have excuse now for life. I'd be like, hey, sorry, I can't make that.

I got to go with the kid, you know. I want to know, I have to ask this question. I want to know what it entails. to become a Victoria Seeker model. Like that is, that is 0.000,0001% of the world that that gets that gig. Is it like this gnarly process or were they just like, you're it, you're modeling, you're done. So for me, I didn't answer your question. You know, so I started actually working with Victoria Seeker when I was 16.

So kind of very early. I did their show in Khan. So they did their first showing con. Is that normal age? No, that's really not normal. I was like, I guess it was like freak of nature that I was like I did it. And you know, I guess I also looked older like on runway. I like even though I was always like younger than a lot of the girls,

I had this like, I guess presence of like, you know, strong presence. That I, you would never think I was, I guess, that age. People always thought I was kind of older. And not because I look older, but because of my, I was mature, carry myself. So yeah, I did the show and I was 16 and was in Khan. And then, you know, I already was kind of doing very well in the fashion world. And they always love their girls who are doing well in fashion at that time, like who were maybe like stars already or established or were doing really well.

And but at the same time, had a presence and, you know, look good and could do victory secret. Because it's not easy. You know, not everybody can be in lingerie. And that definitely wasn't easy for me at the beginning. You know, I didn't grow up on the beach with like a G string, you know, or underwear. Like, and mind you, like, you know, we're going back. Like, you know, where I come from. Like, you know, I wasn't, I'm not that like girl, like super confident.

Yeah, like, totally like I take it off and I feel great, you know. So it was definitely, even for me, it was a huge learning curve. Even like, you know, how do you can be in front of camera in front of people in like very little, which is. It's not a few people, it's a lot of people. Well, everybody. I mean, but you know, for me, it was like in front of camera and then in front of everybody.

And, but it was good because I really had to like learn what it means to be sensual. What it means to be a young woman. You know, I learned, yeah, to kind of, I had to learn it. You know, it was not natural to me, especially when you were, you know, I was surrounded by all the Brazilians who were like, ta-da-da-ta-da-ta-da-ta-la-ta-la. You know, I was like, whoa. This is like, it was very foreign to me, like that kind of body movement, the confidence in their body.

So really, I had to like find my rhythm in my way. And I think my way, you know, was very like elegant, graceful and sensual. I mean, you know, but like, so it was my way each time, even though I was then doing it for a long time. It was like, okay, you know, I'm taking off. I'm going to be just in. You know, it's not something I felt like, oh my God, so comfortable and I want to do every day. Are you eating vegetarian keto? Like, is there a certain way you're eating or is, are you just?

So at that time, you know, we didn't have all those kind of things. Yeah. But I was, I actually went through a couple of years where I was vegan and I was vegan and raw foodist like 15 years ago, way before this was popular and nobody was really doing it. It was really hard to kind of find it. So, but I did it and then, you know, then I kind of, I'm more like balance. I definitely like, you know, I don't really eat so many grains. I'm very low on the grains. Like my favorite grain, it's actually white rice and white rice. So I I spoke to this scientist when I was pregnant, like about things, you know, that, because he studies foods and analyzes it and everything. And I talked about the grains and he said, well,

if you're definitely going to eat rice, eat white rice because it doesn't have the lactance. So, you know, it doesn't have the inflammation. And I actually do love a good jasmine, sticky white rice. So that's like grain that I like. I don't really eat that many grains. I am not big on grains. I love vegetables. I love fat. I'm big on fat. And I'm happy that fat it's got it's like your skin's glowing. So I can see like I feel like you probably eat olive oil, avocado. Yes, avocado, love coconut oil. There's a point to the white rice though.

So you probably can't tell. I'm a quarter Japanese. My grandma's full. You wouldn't know. But there's an area in Japan where it has the most in all the world the most people living past 100. If you think about their diet like Jasmine White Rice, fats, fish. Fermented food.

Yeah. It's like there's a reason these people are living. of being so long and looking so good. Yeah. So I shouldn't eat mac and cheese in bed at midnight last night from the box. But you know what? You're pregnant, so you will have your moments and your cravings. But you know what?

My husband makes mac and cheese and he makes it so good for the kids and for me. And I'm not a big mac and cheese person, but when he makes it, it's so good. So instead of using like milk or cream, he uses coconut. We use the young Thai coconut from the can, the cream or the milk. And, you know, with a little bit of butter. and it is so yummy. Try that. Instead of doing like the dairy,

do it with the coconut cream, the Thai young coconut cream or milk. Instead, it's super tasty. I'm also not baked on dairy. You know, even my kids, when they were little, we did, they drank goat milk.

I mean, I don't drink goat milk. I don't think I can't. I can't drink any milk. But, you know, they liked it. I was fine with it. Like, you know, it's better than dairy, but. That's the formula that I just got in case I,

the holy? It's, yeah, no, HIPPA. Hip, no. hip is they only have dairy holla is the only one that's goat okay so wait so maybe i maybe i got the wrong wait so i need to get hollay hollay is hollay is swiss and they do goat's milk formula hip is german and they do dairy which one do you like better i i i did holly i did goat don't want to do dairy i thought it was the goat one but you i think you're right it is that it's the dairy one we might need to get holi because someone told me that if if you have a colic baby it's it's good to give them goats

milk, not dairy. Yeah, is that right? Or vegan, something. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, yeah, dairy for a lot of babies, sometimes it's hard to digest. You know, a lot of kids can be sensitive to it. I mean, adults us too. I mean, bass is breast milk. I mean, I hope you. I'm going to try. Okay. I'm going to try. And I'm not going to put pressure on myself. I'm going to try and see how it goes, but I'm trying not to have any expectation. I don't believe the whole theory about milk for being good for people and bones. I know this guy's good friend of mine. He's got like bird bones. This thing, if you get, if you touch him, his bone snap. And this guy was always drinking milk. So it just proves to me. Yeah, I'm like,

poor guy. Yeah, milk doesn't work. So this guy was guzzling it down back in the day. So you had two children water births at home all natural. Yes. Okay, I have like a hundred questions about this. First of all, were you modeling when you got pregnant? Yes. And when you get pregnant in your model, what is that like? Because for me, like, I'm not a model, but it's, it is a lot to gain all this weight in a short amount of period of time. Was it? pressure or no? And be on cameras. I mean, I was not like necessarily modeling being when I, you know, was showing big time and, and I, you know, it's, I mean, unless you were doing more pregnancy stuff. And at that time, like when I, my first one, like 10 years ago, it was not,

you really didn't do it. I mean, now kind of anything goes and you can do it. It's fun and all that. But I don't know, I really enjoy that time. And, you know, being pregnant, it's, I love being pregnant. I like, love that feeling like, you know, this human, it's, it's so crazy. It's growing inside of freaking tummy, freaking brain and heart. It's unbelievable. This like whole pregnancy, you know, that it's growing inside of you. And, you know, really with my husband, we, we travel. We really wanted to enjoy, you know, the time before he came. Of course, I was, we were both excited, but scared, nervous. You know, is this the right time? How is it going to be? You know, how are we going to do it? Blah, blah, blah. You know, you, everyone has those questions. It's normal. It's natural.

And, you know, that's life, right? It's also, there's, there's, there's, there's, beauty and like really you're not not gonna know you just got to you'll figure it out right you just kind of figure it out and the cool thing you know i was lucky i had you know partner who was there with me and to support me and you are together and you're awesome and you have each other which is so huge and you know to have that and you can support each other and like you know he can be there for you or you you can you know you can like yell at him and like curse him out you know you have like you know have each other to be the punching bags at times, which is needed, you know, to like flush things out. Yeah, when he complains about his hip that hurts. That's his latest. His hip hurts.

I heard there's phantom pain that happens with men when women are pregnant. It's phantom pain. Yeah, I mean, men feel it too. I mean, my husband gained a lot of weight. You look like you haven't any, I don't know, what was your secret. My husband, he's like, I hate what? How did I get pregnant too? You know, and then he was complaining like, you know, after like, you know, I'm breastbed. And then, you know, then slowly, slow, you know, you kind of shed the weight. I'll tell you my secret. How did I still? I've been overly stressed. So that's my secret. Just running around stressed out. And also she told me in the beginning, she's a lot of men gain weight.

And then I was determined to not gain the weight. So how did you decide to do a natural birth with your first? So I didn't know anything about birth. Obviously, I was never pregnant before. I was 24 years old. I was always into, like, wellness and, you know, well, you know, health and all of that and acupuncture and, you know, very curious, very into all these alternative practices and solutions, always. So I was very open, but I didn't know anything about birth.

But it's funny at that time I met two actresses, one from Los Angeles, one from UK. They both had children, just had children. One did it home water birth and the other one did home birth. And I thought, you know, and I respect them and I really like them who they're as women. And I thought, hmm, interesting. I should start to look into birth. Like what are the options? You know, how does it work in the U.S.?

So me and my husband, we went on this journey. and we took a class where, you know, they explained the differences in a hospital, a birthing center or at home, and then we started to, we watched the business on being born, we watched the orgasmic birth, and more we kind of educated ourselves on birth and the options. Like, I don't know, it more felt natural to us like doing their home water birth. I mean, it's the most natural way for a baby to be born from water to water. I'm Pisces, so I already love water. feel so good in water. And, you know, when you are pregnant and you have aches and pain, like water

feels so good. And then I, you know, the cesarean rate in the U.S. It's so high, and especially New York was so high. And I didn't want to, you know, I didn't want to have a cesarean if I didn't have to. And already going to hospitals and doctors personally, I don't love it. I don't like the light, the smell. Already, I feel like I get stressed and kind of, you know, tense. And I was healthy. I was like, you know what? I want to do this at home. And in the water, it just felt right. And natural to me. Women have done it before, before us, they, you know, they're still giving birth in fields and, you know, you can do it. You know, I'm not sick. I don't have, you know, it's, it's really, and then what I've learned, it's the baby is doing most of the work. I mean, all I really

have to do is just to be there, to surrender. And then that's big for me, because I like to kind of know and I'm, you know, I'm like, I'm not a control freak, but I like to know and kind of, you know, control as much as I can, but I also, you know, let things happen. I believe in that too. But really just surrender and let the baby do its work. So I have to be as relaxed as possible. And then with my first one, you know, I was very kind of specific. Like I wanted like how I wanted the birth. I wanted the music. I wanted the lie. I wanted the candles. Like I was being very specific how I wanted to be. I'm really like putting it out there, like how I wish it to be. And I interviewed midwives, you know, it's a small world.

There was like 12 of them in New York that were the best. And there, I decided on one, which she had the most experience and, you know, gave birth to so many babies. And she was like the Ferrari of the midwives. Then it came to finding a doula. You know, it's so hard when you have to hire these people like for the most important thing in your life where, you know, you're just saying kind of high to them. you don't really, you've never experienced something with them, right? It's so hard. So with my midwife, I, you know, went for her because of her experience and her knowledge and all of that. And she was really nice. And then my doula, I was like, oh, how do I pick? They're so nice. All of them.

But my dula had, her name was Sarah Pancake. And I thought, how can you, like, go wrong with Sarah Pinkake? You know, that's a pretty cool name. So we went with Sarah Pinkake. If she's listening, hi, Sarah. And Miriam was my midwife. And I remember, like, when it started to go towards, like, the end of my pregnancy, you know, my midwife was amazing. She was a single mom, New Yorker. So she was definitely more like, you know, she was tougher. She was not like super fuzzy and warm. Yeah, my jewel is tougher too.

You know, she was not fuzzy and warm. And then I remember, I said to my husband, I don't know if I picked the right midwife. Like, I don't know. Is she going to be like take care of me when I'm in labor? Like, you know, like, she was like, I don't know why. Like, I don't. But when it came to labor, she was amazing. she was empowering, sweet, but like she gave me my space that I needed, but she was there for me.

I really, I mean, I had amazing midwives. How long was your birth? So my first one, the funny thing is so with my first one, my water didn't break. So I literally didn't know I'm about to like give birth because my water didn't break. This is worse night here. No, no, no, no. You're going to freak me out here. No, no, it was all good.

It was all good. If this baby starts coming out here, I'm going to this. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, you're not. You're just going to be in the moment. You'll be like, you just be there for her. Someone's going to have to be there for me if this happens. No, no, no, that's what you think. That's what we kind of think.

But you'll do it. You'll be there. You'll manage, you know, we'll go in that mode. You know, we're, you know, we're trained. Like, we just, the body, like, everything, just, we know how to like it. I'm going to be laying awake and I see, like, looking down being like, is that thing coming out of. Yeah, I'm in my water's not going to break.

And I'm going to be crowning. And all you're going to see is all this hair. So my husband, like literally, I, like, my water didn't break and then suddenly you see like the bubble and the hair in like, you know, the, the, in the, hold on, hold on. Wait, wait, wait. So you're, you're like laying in bed one day and your water doesn't break? No, no, no, no, no. I knew I was in labor. You knew.

I knew. I knew. I knew. I knew. Okay. No, of course. But I didn't know how quick I'm going to give birth because my, you know, normally water breaks and then you know, okay, the baby's going to come out. So I knew, I mean, I was in active labor.

And I remember my midwife is there and I already had the birthing pool filled with water. I mean, I can tell you the whole experience because, I mean, it was kind of interesting. I just want to know that you knew at least. Yeah, no, I knew it was inactive labor. I just didn't know how fast. So my water didn't break. And then, you know, you see the balloon and like the hairful.

And then they like burst. And then like he continued coming out. And my husband like was in the water with me. He was amazing. He, and actually he was the first one to touch him when the midwife said, you know, he's about to come out. Do you want to feel him? And I didn't want to like, you know, I'm in my zone.

I didn't want to like touch myself there. And like, I don't know. I just, but he's like, yeah, I'll go. And he like, you know, he like help and guided him. He was like there in it. And I have to tell you, like you can ask him, if anyone ask him what is the most beautiful, most profound moment in his life. And he said like being there for the birth of his sons.

Yeah. He said it was like, you know, and I think he tells men and, you know, like, don't be scare or don't like miss out on that moment because he literally like, saw his son come out and like as soon as he was born he you know i he put you know i put him on my chest but then i got out the pool and take a shower and like he was holding him on the chest you know and like having that immediate connection like they were so close and he like loved it you know and it was not i don't know like doing it home was just so beautiful because you're in your environment like you know and we were like he was like a really beautiful birth and it you know was great so

So he, it's not like it was traumatic and, you know, I was not covered with like things and it just tubes. Like it was just beautiful. And he, he like loved it. Love did. Are you in your bed when you're giving birth at home? Or like where, what area? Do you like set the living room up? Like what?

So no, actually both of them were born in the bedroom. In the bedroom. We like had the birthing pool and that's nice that you don't have tubes everywhere and all that. That's probably a really special moment. Your husband sounds like he's a really cool guy. Thank you. Well, he's Aries. Oh, no pressure. We'll see how you handle.

I want you to say that's the most beautiful moment of your life. I know I'm going to cry for sure. I know. He's crying right now. Yeah, I might cry right now. I know. I already know. I mean, it's really, it's crazy.

It's weird. It's alien-like, but it's unbelievable. And it's, I'm looking forward, like, for you guys to experience this moment in your life. How many hours from start to finish? So in my first one, I only count from active labor. I don't go from like when you have like the beginning labor, you know, the contract, because that's like menstrual cramp. Like to me, that's not that bad. So my first one from active labor, it was two and a half hours.

And my second one was maybe like an hour. It was very quick. My second one was extremely quick. Is it really painful to do it without any kind of drugs? No. No, not at all. No. Wow.

Because, you know, think about it. I mean, your body is designed to give birth. Like in the past, we didn't have all these. epidurals and drugs. And when you do it naturally, the body, you know, it piece itself. So it gradually, like, you know, the endorphins, like, you know, releases. And you're just like, you're able to deal. The worst, I mean, because I've, you know, started and I know, the worst, it's like when

you get, you know, the potassium. And because then it's like you need the epidural because the pain is so high because you go from zero to 100. That makes sense. you know, it's not naturally, because when you do natural, the body, it's adjusting, right? Uh-huh. That makes sense. Like, it's like, you're, like, slowly, you're cracking up the volume.

But in the potocin, it's like, suddenly, it's this thing comes in your body, says, okay, you've got to go now. So it's pushing, pushing, and you're in so much pain. You're sitting, you're sitting in a room, and it's normal temperature room, and all of a sudden they crank it up to 100 degrees, and it's so hot, as opposed to letting your body adjust. I mean, I guess there, you know, there are times, you know, where, of course, the potosom may be seated, and you know, you know, so certain it.

You know, and I was open to it. Like, if I, of course, if I had to go in hospital, like, and I need to go, I'm not, you know, I don't want to jeopardize my child's safety in myself. But I was, you know, the midwife tracks you. You do all the testing. You know, she tracks you. And if you have a really well-trained, good reputation, you know, do, I mean, midwife, she's like doctor.

She was, they're trained. So they know. And in life, we have no 100% security. Whether you do it at home in a hospital, nowhere, you have 100% security of anything. And something can happen anywhere. You know, you can get infection in a hospital, you can die. Like, I mean, things can happen. So, you know, you just have to be ready.

I mean, I was ready if I had to, you know, go hospital or have to write a book. You think? Yeah, I think you should write a book on this. So now you are, what I think is so cool about you is you're a business. woman too. You're adding that to your resume. Can you talk about your new business that you're starting and how that came about? Sure. So Griffin Ivy Rose was launched last year. So we're a new startup and it was really like the perfect timing. You know, I was definitely looking for a long time, something that I can, you know, be part of and put all my experiences from 21 years being in this business into a product and something I can be proud of. and something that really kind of enriches people's lives, you know, not just to put something out there, just to put something out there.

And obviously being, you know, parent and, you know, being into this whole wellness and health and beauty that I've lived for the last 20 years and experience and explore it myself, that I took that into my pregnancy with the home birth and, you know, how I raised my kids. And it was just the timing. I met my two partners, Rachel and Orion,

in Miami, we actually, me and Rachel moved from New York at the same time to Miami. We never met in New York. And Rachel used to work in product development and, you know, creating products and beauty. And so she has experience there. And she was having identical twins who were born in 28 weeks. So they were pound and a half each. Imagine like pound and a half of sliced turkey. Like when she tells me all the time thinking like, oh my God, how did you not die?

Like if I have a child that's pound and a half, of sliced turkey. That's your child. So she had two girls like super preemies. Wow. Three months at ICU. So the first year when she took them home, obviously they're faced with a lot of issues, you know, like digestive issues, not sleeping. And she's from Midwest and she didn't grow up with like anything like alternative and holistic. That was not her go to. But after a year of doing the medical route and, you know, and then she, the girls were on this very strong medication, which she felt like, I mean, they cannot be on these drugs for I mean, they're like babies.

Like, this is very strong and dangerous. She was desperate. So somebody introduced her to Orion and his father, Dan. Orion is an herbalist, has this herbal shop in Miami for 25 years, and works with his father, who's a Chinese acupuncturist and Chinese medicine practitioner who's had his shop for his practice 35 years. He works with kids and adults. So she took the kids there, and they did a little bit of aqua pressure.

and like it's acupuncture but it's like stickers so they don't do the needle but they put like stickers on certain you know pressure points to kind of create the flow and open up the channels and they create an herbal formulation for their digestion and sleep and literally within a week they could sleep they could poop you know when you have kids if they don't poop and sleep that's like the most important thing like that's that's everything just the little things that they look like a little bead i've had them in my ears before is that what you're talking about. No, they didn't have, for kids, they don't do beats. They're like little stickers. Little stickers. You know, like over body, but I've had the, yeah, the beats on the ear

for little babies, like, I mean, their ears are. It's just little stickers. They're like little stickers, but a little, like a little, almost like a button, like, so when you press it, it just presses in the pressure point. Okay. And when they get a little bit more advanced, would be a little mini needle, and then it will be a needle. So they, after a week, could poop and sleep and she felt like, oh my God, this is like amazing. Like this should be available more out there. We should make it more modern and we should make it like, you know, for people out there to assist and give this prevention and assistance solution. And I at that time was also going to Orion and his father with my whole family, with my kids, my father, my father had a knee surgery. So I would take him

for cupping around his knee and I would go for cupping and acupuncture myself. And when I had my Noah, my four-year-old, at that time he was two, I would go, the first time when with my father, I would take him to translate from my father because he didn't speak good English. So I would be with Noah, and, you know, Noah will be running around the office and looking. And when he saw my father with all the cops around his knees, he was like, Noah tried too, me too. So Dan, you know, who works with a lot of kids, he was like, and he's amazing with kids. That's the Chinese practitioner, acupuncturist. He's like, all right, buddy, let's do it. I'm like, okay, if he wants to try it sure like let him you know let him try so he literally would do little cups on

like his body and he would ask noah so no where do you think you need it you know all here and here and here and it was amazing how in i mean it's amazing how in tune kits are you know the points that he was saying he's like that's exactly actually where he needs them and from that day literally my two-year-old that time was not four like waft's acupuncture and cupping so he goes for cup goals for my future You know, he goes and he like loves it. And it's not something I pushed him or he literally was his own, wanted to try it, tried it, liked it. And he is my sensitive child. He's kind of more asthmatic.

So actually for him, it's really good, especially like if he would get sick, he will goes into his lungs and he will get more bronchitis. So cupping, it's actually really good because it kind of pulls things from your lungs and make sure that, you know, the fluid doesn't just sit there, kind of moves it. So anyway, so I would be going there. And then I connected also with Rachel, our husbands knew each other, and we all connected. They knew a little bit my lifestyle and my philosophies and how I live, which is very much how they lived. And for Rachel, was this new kind of coming into this world. And we got together and we said, well, why don't we create a brand for kids, families,

with this philosophy about really cultivating this lifestyle. of prevention, assistance, performance-based products for children, based on traditional Chinese wisdom, but gentle, hypolyogenic, gentle, but yet very performing. And that's kind of where we started. What's a product that you would recommend to our audience? Like, what's like a starting product? Because you just brought me these probiotic chocolate hearts that are so good. They have 15 billion probiotics in them.

In one heart. In one heart. And it's organic chocolate, USDA organic, coconut pump sugar. So it's really good if you're diabetic or you're watching your weight. It's low glycemic. And definitely I would say, I mean, I love all our products. All our products also are approved by our kits between three of us. We have kids age 2 to 13.

So they are very much involved with the taste, the names, the design. You know they're great because Taylor, our producers, never had anything more healthy in his life. He just had one. That's the healthiest, healthiest things ever happened. Yeah, Taylor approved. Okay, Taylor approves. I love it. That means a lot because especially Taylor is,

like never had anything healthy or maybe never had for bad. Taylor's never had anything healthy in his life. Well, Taylor, I have a good, healthy treat for you. It's a chocolate with a benefit. So you would start with the chocolates if you were recommending one product to the audience. I think if you like chocolate, I think they're a great treat. You know, for me, I always have in my bag because sometimes, like, I need that little pick me up, you know, that time comes.

You want just something a little sweet, but you don't want to, like, have a whole dessert, especially if you're, like, working and you have things to do. you know, you can't take a nap. So it's like a nice little treat. It's, you know, not super sweet, but it's like, does it justice, has benefits. What I really also love are our herbal elixirs, which are not in alcohol. They're in glycerin. So they're, you know, they don't have their alcohols, which is great for kits and has the

glycerin, which is a little bit sweeter. So it's more pleasant. And they got different herbal formulations, very gentle, not habit formatting. and they're gentle enough for children, but we have dosage in the back for adults. So you have things for like immune system support called 4-Shield, which I love and always travel with. Like now I'm going to go to the airport,

and I'm going to put it in. I'm going to have my water bottle, fill it with water, and I'm going to put my 4-Shield drops, like 60 drops inside, and I'm going to be sipping it all flight. So it's got all this like astragalus, you know, really herbs that kind of boost and support your immune system to keep it strong. That sounds like a good one. So you don't get sick.

Belly works also really good for, you know, indigestion, gas. Also, you know, the plane, that's where we tend to get more bloated. That's also really good. And it tastes good, doesn't taste bad. You can put in water. You can put in a juice for a child. You can put in a smoothie where, you know, they really even cannot tell what it is. That's another great one.

I'm going to start with the drops. But you just have the chocolate. Well, I'm going to talk with the heart too. We're going to link everything out. We're going to link everything. And maybe we'll talk to you guys after and we can do a giveaway for like a product or something. Oh, we love that.

Try. Where can everyone find your product online and on Instagram? So we do sell on Griffin Ivy Rose.com, but you can find us in Sexfith Avenue, Neiman Marcus, online, and in the stores. We're going to Whole Foods with our two Bath and Body products in Florida, which we're super excited about. We are in like Ever After, Bazaar Botanica, Messonet. And the Instagram handle?

At Griffin Ivy Rose. Okay. Perfect. So everyone can go stock all the products. Guys, the chocolate heart was so good. I feel really good about myself that I got my probiotics in today, too. I told you, we were going to get to know each other pretty well. See, I like this medium better than even maybe going to dinner

because it's such an intense conversation. You get to know people like real quick. How long was that, Taylor, an hour? 55 minutes. A lot of ground covered in 55 minutes. This is why maybe you speak about podcasts. I mean, we did not talk about the poop yet. I think that's where you really get to know people.

And especially you're going to have a baby. It's going to be a lot of poop talk. A lot of poop. A lot of close. We're getting, we, I think you have to go to the airport and do your drops. We got close. Yeah, she's shaking your head. But, okay.

I'm getting kicked out. If I had more time, that was, that was definitely the next time. You can come on anytime you want and talk about poop. I mean, this is the perfect. When you have the baby, uh, definitely. Okay. I mean, it's, it's very important conversation. What color is it?

How does this smell? Michael's going to, Michael's going to document that in a great Excel sheet for us. Michael, make sure you change those diapers. Where can everyone find you on Instagram before you. go. At Carolina Krokova. You are amazing. That was such a wild ride. I feel like we hit so many different spots. Thank you so much for coming on and I'm going to go have another chocolate heart. Thank you. And thank you so much, guys. Thanks for having me. Guys, wait, don't go. Make sure you've rated and reviewed the skinny confidential him and her show on iTunes because every week we do a

giveaway. This week we're giving away the cutest new TSC pops bucket. It's like three hearts all stuck together and says TSC. It's on my phone right now. You will love it. All you have to do to win is tell us your favorite part of this episode on my latest Instagram at the Skinny Confidential and someone from the team will drop into a bunch of your inboxes and send you this new hot, cute pop socket. As always, thank you so much for listening and we'll see you next time.