The Bossticks - The Flexible Dieting Coach Erik Young On How You Can Manage & Lose Body Weight Eating What You Want

Episode Date: December 29, 2020

#317: On this episode we are joined by the flexible dieting coach, Erik Young. Erik joins us today to discuss how we can manage and lose weight by eating what we want. This counterintuitive approach has been used to get the body back and track and functioning properly to balance your diet. In this episode Erik discusses specifics around how we can apply these tactics to our own diets and improve the way we look and feel.  To connect with Erik Young click HERE To connect with Lauryn Evarts click HERE To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM To Call the Him & Her Hotline call: 1-833-SKINNYS (754-6697) This episode is brought to you by Wanu Water Wanu water (water + nutrients) is the first-to-market, best-selling nutrient-infused water packed with 10 essential vitamins including 24% of your daily fiber intake providing natural energy that boosts your metabolism, supports a healthy immune system and quenches your appetite while you hydrate. This episode is brought to you by Just Thrive During a time when boosting our immune health needs to be at the forefront of our minds Just Thrive has the answer for you. The Just Thrive probiotic can help boost your immune system and heal your gut. 80-90% of Americans suffer from gut issues and these issues can track to many of the diseases that humans face. With Just Thrive probiotics we can help combat these gut issues. Use promo code SKINNY at www.justthrivehealth.com/skinny to try today!  This episode is brought to you by RITUAL Forget everything you thought you knew about vitamins. Ritual is the brand that's reinventing the experience with 9 essential nutrients women lack the most. If you're ready to invest in your health, do what I did and go to www.ritual.com/skinny  Your future self will thank you for taking Ritual: Consider it your 'Lifelong-Health-401k'. Why put anything but clean ingredients (backed by real science) in your body? Produced by Dear Media

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You know, most people think there's something I'm not doing right or I'm not doing enough of this. And really, it all comes down to the food. I mean, it's all nutrition because people already work out. Like, their body's already used to that. So most of the time, that's why they can't lose weight because they don't know what they're doing food-wise. I mean, you can, just eating healthy doesn't mean you're going to lose weight. You know, like, as you know, you were eating super healthy and you weren't losing weight, you know. So it's just, it's just very, I don't know, it's just, it really is all science.

I mean, it's all based off of food, especially if you're that person that's been working out your whole life, then that's just what your body is used to. You know, you can't work out anymore if you're already working out seven days a week. Hello, it is almost a new year. It's kind of like that weird time between Christmas and New Year's where no one knows what the fuck to do. So welcome back to the skinny confidential. You're on the right track. They know what to do. They know exactly what to do.

Tune into the show. Okay, tune into the show. That clip was from our guest to the show today, Eric Young. He is also known as the flexible diet coach. He is Molly Sims and Hillary Duff's nutritionist. He has a lot of A-Less clients, and I wanted to bring him on because I am actually working with him a little bit. I found him on Instagram, and you know me. I love to research. I love to find out new things for you guys. And I love to test things on myself and see what works and what doesn't. I have tried

80 million things and only a few of them stick. And that is what I talked to you guys about. So I could not be more excited to have him on the podcast. Here's what I learned working with him. I have been doing the skinny confidential body guide to get my body back. I have been doing all the recipes. I've been doing the workouts. I've also been doing Pilates, a little bit of boxing. But what I found out after working with him is that I actually was not eating enough. Well, I think that's probably the case for most people that are trying to get into weight management or weight loss or whatever they're trying to do. They think that like the only way to do it is they stop eating. Yeah. And that's what was happening. So I was,

eating these recipes that are on the body guide that are really great recipes full of vegetables and fruits. And I was doing all the things I should be doing, but I wasn't eating enough food. Yeah, that's what I meant. Like, didn't mean like stop eating completely. I mean like not eating enough. I think people, they deprive themselves to the point where their body adjust and they're not getting enough nutrition and enough in their system to actually make their body work. Totally. And so what he did is he worked with me to get the foods that I like into my diet. So I gave him all the recipes that I wanted to use. For instance, I love lentil pasta.

I love rouse arbata, which I'm probably saying wrong. Rios. Rios. Rios. Rios. Rios. I love eggs. I love bacon. I love certain things. And what he did is he had me make a list of all the things I like to eat, all recipes

from the skinny confidential body guide. And then he tailored them to make sure that I was losing weight in an effective way without not eating enough, if that makes sense. if that makes sense. Yeah, well, I noticed like before you started working with them, what you were doing, like I always wondered, and listen, I'm like, I'm a meat eater, you're a meatier. Like we talk about it and like, you know, that's not for everybody. But I always wondered.

I'm like, man, you don't get a lot of protein. No, I wasn't eating enough protein. And he pointed that out to me too. And I've never understood that because I eat a lot of protein. And I feel like it's a building block that the body needs in order to obviously build muscle, maintain weight, all the things that you need to do to be healthy. And even if you're vegan or vegetarian, he still works with getting the right amount of protein in. So I wasn't eating enough protein and I wasn't eating enough and I wasn't eating

frequently enough. So what I would do is I would eat, you know, two meals a day and now I'm eating five meals a day. And he's really, really helped me with that. I found him through Molly Sims and then Hillary Duff recommended him and also the girls from 901 that were on the podcast before raved about him. So what I like about him is he's exactly what he says he is and that is flexible. He's a flexible diet coach. So if you're looking for someone who's going to to help you maintain or lose weight in a way where you can still eat what you want, this is him. I didn't want to eat chicken and vegetables at every single meal. That's not what I wanted to do. Nobody does. That's the worst. No, it's the worst. Back when I was super into fitness,

I did that, I burned myself out and I can't do it ever again. I also didn't want to like stuffed chalky protein powder down my mouth that was filled with shit. I didn't want to eat. So now I can tell him, listen, I like my coffee and inulin with cinnamon. I like my macha latte with this kind of almond milk. I like this kind of pasta. I like this meal from the body guide. I like these pancakes. And what he does is he's just made a plan out of what I like. I am loving it. I have lost weight. I have more energy. I've tightened up and I'm eating more than ever. Well, what's crazy about it is I think so many people like when you hear this podcast and when you're listening to it, at first you're like, wait, that doesn't make sense. You can kind of eat what you want.

But then as you dives into it and you figure out it's about portions and getting the right portions in and about having the right amounts of food so that your body can actually work. Like, it actually makes a lot of sense because if you think about it, it's just like, you know, when you go to the gym a lot and you do the same workout over and over and over again and eventually like you stop seeing results from that workout, because your body has adjusted to it and it starts to plateau. It's the same thing with food. You know, if you start taking too much food out of your diet, your body adjust to that.

And that makes complete sense to me because like, of course, if your body gets used to something, then it starts, you know, operating off what it's used to and not what it should actually be like taking it. And here's the best part. I have wine all the time. You're really good at that part. I can have tequila. Yep.

You're on that part. I can have margaritas. I have chocolate covered almonds. I have all the foods I want. And I just feel like I'm planned for the day. I'm not second guessing. I know exactly what I'm eating every day. And then there's lots of cheat days.

Like for instance, you know, on Christmas Eve, I definitely ate pudding and pancakes and chips and salsa and guacamquized. and guacamole and all the things. Christmas, we do it. No, it's fine. And I still feel like I'm tightening up. So I would highly recommend looking into him, find the recipes that you like and then talk with him. Well, listen, you know, there's probably a lot of people rolling their eyes right now being like, what do you mean? I can drink wine and all this food and do what I want. You're rolling your eyes. But I will say as a testament, it's a testimonial. That's right, testimonial. That's right. Testimonial. That I see the results, learn. And it is good. I like the results or you feel the results.

I see. I, you know, I did the test. I bred my hands all over the end result. Your personality has been harder than ever. Oh, God. Don't creep everybody out. All right. With that, let's welcome Celebrity Nutritionist and Fitness expert Eric Young, the flexible diet coach to the skinny confidential him and her show. This is the skinny confidential him and her. This is such an amazing person that we're about to interview because he helps hundreds, if not thousands of people, lose weight. And the way you help people lose weight is different than anything I've ever seen. And we're going to get into it. But first, can you give a little background of yourself and how you got into the health and wellness industry? Yeah, yeah. I've always been a fan of health

and wellness. I got my first gym membership when I was 18 and then never kind of looked back. I always like helped kind of on the side. I'm always, I work for corporate America, worked for banks forever. And yeah, I just always had the passion for helping people and teaching people about fitness. And then I kind of just took that leap of faith about eight years ago and opened my own gym and went from there. Your way of eating or teaching people to eat is very different. So how I found you just to give background is through Hillary Duff. I saw on her page that she had dropped a ton of weight after a baby.

And what I liked about you is I could give you all the foods from the skinny confidential body guide that I wanted to eat. And then you sort of portion them out for me. But first what you did was you said, send me all your food that you're eating for three days. And I sent it to you and you said, you're not eating enough. Yep. And so I want you to explain sort of the theory behind how you think is the right way to lose weight. Because it's different than anything I've ever heard. Yeah.

Well, I mean, in order to lose weight, you have to be in what's the way. called a caloric deficit, meaning you have to be eating 500 calories less than what your body's used to. So like with you, when you did your journal, you were only eating like a thousand calories. So if we wanted to try to lose weight, I have to put you to like 500, which is just not going to be enough. So that's why we started adding food in, which it's called like the term is reverse dieting. So we're basically a diet would be taking food away. Reverse dieting would be the opposite and that'd just be adding food in over a period of time to get your body used to eating more. Then once you're there, then you start pulling food back and that's how you lose weight.

Why do you think with your clients it's so dramatic? Dramatic as in like the weight loss or just in general, I don't know, because they like what they're eating. They don't feel restricted. And, you know, I feel like for longevity purposes, if you cut out all the foods you love, then, you know, it'll be pretty hard to sustain that because everything revolves around food from social events to parties to everything. Everything's got food involved. I'm still having my wine and my tequila. As you should. Yes, which is amazing. So what I did, you guys is I said, okay, these are the body guide recipes that I want to eat. Then I said, I still want to be able to have a drink at the end of the night. And then you implemented it into a system and you're,

you're counting my macros, right? Yes. Can you explain that? Because it's very, very, very confusing. Yeah, so macros is just short for macronutrients, which is proteins, carbs, and fats. That's really what we track. I mean, we still look at fiber, but really that's about it. It's proteins, carbs, fats, and then fiber. So really, we're just tracking those. So in theory, as long as you stay within that recommended range of proteins, carbs, and fats, you can eat what you want.

So that's what gives you the flexibility to where you're not just, you know, eating tilapia and asparagus every night to lose weight. So you essentially add all the food in, a bunch of food, more than they're eating, and then you slowly pull back. Yep. Is that what you do? And what's like the scientific reason for doing it that way? Because again, you have to be in that caloric deficit. So your body will adapt to what you're eating. If you, let's say you eat the same amount of food, say you eat 1,500 calories every day for two months and you work out five days a week.

At some point, your body's going to adapt to that. and then that becomes your maintenance, which means if you work out five days a week and you continue to eat 1,500 calories, you're just going to maintain. You won't lose weight, regardless of how healthy it is. Your body is this amazing piece of machinery and it just, it adapts to what you're doing. So that's why we have to take the time to slowly add food if you're not eating enough. If you come to me and you're eating 2,000 calories, then great. Then we can start pulling food away, start pulling food back right away and then put you in that weight loss mode. But just these days, it seems like everybody's just under eating because, you know, they feel like less is better. And, you know, at first it'll

work. But then once it doesn't work, then you can't take any more food, food away if you're not eating enough. So if I had just not, if I had just kept eating a thousand calories a day and not eating as much as I should have been eating, nothing would have happened. No, yeah, you could have kept at a thousand. I mean, you were already doing that, right? You were already eating a thousand and you weren't losing weight. So it's like your body just adapts to that and that becomes your maintenance. That's why there's just so many misconceptions out there these days, like of eating healthy and I don't know. It's just, yeah, you have to be eating enough food to lose. If you're not, then you just won't lose. And some people even gain when they're in like super low calories.

That's what I felt like was happening to me. It was like a standstill. Yeah. Plus, you were working out a lot too. You were active. Working out six to seven days a week. So usually what happens, they call that starvation mode. If you're not getting enough food to feel your body, then that puts you in this like starvation mode to where you're going to start storing everything and then you're going to start gaining weight instead of losing weight. So what do you think about intermittent fasting? I mean, intermittent fasting is great if your body is used to eating a lot of food. So like if you ate, if you were eating 1,500 calories right now in a say of 12 hour window or 14 hour window, just a normal day. And then if you went to an 8 hour

window, which is intermittent fasting, it's usually eat all your food between six and eight hours. If you did that and you still ate the same amount of calories, you wouldn't lose weight. So there's a big misconception with that. It's like people think they're by fasting 16 hours and eating eight, they're losing weight because they're fasting. But in theory, they're just eating less because you can't eat all the same amount of food in a 14 hour window as you can a six to eight hour window. So I think intermittent fasting works great if it's good for your lifestyle and just for

and things like that. But to lose weight, I mean, I would rather just eat less during the day and eat in a 12 or 14 hour window instead of be starving instead of being starving for 16 hours. So me, I've always looked at intermittent fasting as like maintenance for the body to give the body time to like recover. And maybe maybe you disagree. And I'm by no means an expert in this field. But I feel like if you're an athletic person and you're eating throughout the day and then you're taking a break, it's like time to give your body and time to recover in a sense. Like I've never looked at, like, I don't think intermittent fasting is necessarily the best way to go about just like a weight loss regimen. Tell me if you think that's wrong. Yeah, no, I think, I don't know.

I feel like intermittent fasting is great, but if you're doing it to lose weight, then I just, I would rather eat more food or eat the same amount of food, but in a, you know, 12 or 14 hour window instead of do it in an eight hour window. Okay. I don't think that by giving your body a break, I mean, you're sleeping regardless. So if you go to bed at 10 and you get eight hours sleep, you're kind of fast, you're fasting then, you know, so your body is able to kind of rest and, you know, let all that food go through and be good. But I just feel like there's a lot of misconceptions with intermittent fasting. And the bad thing about it is once you are eating that amount of calories that you normally eat in that eight hour window and then you stop losing, then where do you go

from there? You know, like people don't know you have to slowly add food in to kind of get your body used to eating more. They think if you just do intermittent fasting and you're eating in the eight hours and you see all these results that you're going to continue to see results, but you won't because your body adapts to that at some point. Okay. Maybe we could take this conversation. There's so many ways we could take this conversation, but maybe a couple different directions. Like I think there's the camp of maybe you're overeating, you're eating too much and we've got to

manage that. And then there's maybe the other camp, which is like you're eating too little and you've got to figure out how to add more. I don't know which one you want to start with first, but maybe let's start with the camp of you're eating too much. And because of that, you're not happy with your weight. And I'll also say if you are happy with your weight, maybe this conversation's not for you. But if you're unhappy with your weight and you find yourself eating too much, like, where do you suggest that type of person start?

In order to lose, in order to lose better? In order to feel better, manage weight, lose weight. Just like somebody's maybe being too gluttonous and just overindulging. Yeah. What do you tell those? I mean, if you're overindulging, usually there's a reason. You know, if it's something emotional stress or, you know, whatever. I mean, I just feel like you don't just overindulge just because, you know.

So you really, I always had people do a three-day journal of foods that I can see how much food they're eating. And then from there, make my decision on if we have to add food in or take food away. So I guess it kind of just depends on, it's really so situational because everybody is just kind of all over the board right now. What is the difference? What's the common denominator? Do you see people overeating or under eating more? Well, this is so fitting. We're going to talk about vitamins.

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It's just everybody I feel like in Cali's under eating. That's just what everybody. That makes sense to me. I could see that. I think when you told me to add like a full banana in to my to my day, I text you when I was like a full banana. I'm not used to if I have a banana. I have a half of banana. Yeah. But it's so true. I think a lot of people here are under eating and they don't even know it. Yeah. Is that a common roadblock that you see of why people aren't losing weight? 100%. That it's like the amount of people that I have, I would say probably 90% of the women. And usually I have all really, I coach a lot of women, mainly all women. But I would say 90% of that they're under eating. Like I always have to start off by adding food in. Because I feel like there's a lot of guilt that is like associated with food and eating bad. And it's like people get in the cycle where they, you know, eat bad on the weekend.

And then during the week, then they're just super restrictive, you know, and just cutting out all the stuff they love, just eating proteins and proteins and veggies. And then the weekend comes around there, you know, they let loose. And it lasts Friday, Saturday, Sunday. And then Monday they're right back to restrictive eating again, you know. So it's just a bad cycle. Why? What's the science around why you can't lose weight if you're under eating?

I think it's just you have to be able to fuel your body and your body has a metabolic rate where you're, you know, you're burning calories at rest. So, you know, most people, most women are anywhere from like 1,000 to 1,300 calories where they burn at rest. So you just sitting here, if you sat here all day, you burn 1,300 calories. Then factor in you working out and then you playing with your kids and, you know, all the other stuff you do during the day. I mean, you could be burning 3,500 calories a day and eating 1,000. you know what I mean so everything you're eating you're burning and your body isn't getting any nutrients because you're just burning through everything you eat and so talk me through this so like to me when I hear that because again I'm not an expert I think oh well if you're doing that like you'd be

losing weight but why in those cases are you not losing weight if you're burning that much and not taking as much in it's just if you're in too big of a deficit you know if you're in this huge deficit and you've been there for a while then that's probably why it just it just it really depends on the situation and how long you've been under eating you know maybe that they were able to lose at first and maybe the first few months, but then once they plateaued, there's no more weight loss that's going to happen continuously eating minimal amount of calories. This is so avant-garde, though, to discuss because I've never, and we've talked to a lot of wellness people, I've never heard a diet coach or a nutritionist come on and say, you're

under-eating, and that's why you're not losing weight, which is like, it's so wild to me. Yeah, I feel like, I don't know, it just, I did, I prep for like a bodybuilding show in like 2009. And I just, I learned so much about this whole macro approach. And it's just one of those things where you'll see if you just stop eating or you just start eating less. And once your body adapts, then it's just, you just, you just stop losing, you know? So it's just, it's, it's such a trip. It really is. But yeah, I feel like most people don't really touch on the under eating part. It's usually just, you know, eat healthy. They usually give you a list of foods that you can eat. Obviously, they're all going to be whole foods. But I mean, there's

only so much whole foods that you can eat. You know, it's like if you ate a cup of rice or if you did a pop tart, like you're going to be like you're going to be eating the same amount of calories, but it's a lot less food. So the more whole foods that you eat, the more feeling it is. So it's like you just have more volume and you're not able to really eat as much as you could as if you were eating a little bit, you know, more processed. Another interesting thing that you said to me is should I get a treadmill in my house? And should I? walk for an hour every day. You said no, which was like, what? And you said, my body's going to get used to that. And if I stop doing it, I will gain weight. Well, I think of it. And tell me if I'm wrong

here, like for bodybuilding or working out, I feel like it's the same type of thing when people do the same workouts every single month, month after month, they never switch it up. It's like at some point, like you just kind of like, like your body's like, this is what I'm supposed to be doing and you stop getting the results. At least like I used to, when I used to weight lift, like I would, you'd hit a point like, oh, I'm like just, nothing's changing anymore. Yeah. Is that, is it similar to that? Yeah, yeah, it's definitely similar to that. You continuously do seven days of cardio and then you stop doing it. Like, your body gets used to that and you're obviously going to gain weight at that point because your body's used to burning those calories. So that's why like cardio, like you shouldn't just do

cardio to do cardio. Cardio should be strategic. Like when you're in weight loss mode, that's when you're doing a lot of cardio or increasing your cardio, but when you're not in weight loss mode and if you're in that reverse diet mode like we're doing, you're not doing extra cardio because your body will adapt to that and then you have to continuously do more cardio. And if I want to add cardio, I can't because you're already doing all the cardio, you know? So that's the like the caveat part of that. It's just their cardio should be strategic and no, you shouldn't just do the treadmill seven days a week on top of everything else you're doing just to lose weight because you're just you're shooting

yourself on the foot honestly let me let me ask you i think what's an important question i think so many people when it comes to weight loss or body management they get so fucking frustrated because they do all the things they cut all the food they follow all the books they like do all the diet stuff and they don't see the result and they're like this just doesn't work screw it i'm not going to take care of myself anymore i'm not going to worry about weight which i think there's a there's a freeing aspect of that but i also think there's probably more common aspect, which is general frustration of like, hey, this doesn't work. And so I imagine you see a lot of clients that have, like, Lauren works out really fucking hard. She diets, like, you know, she cuts food.

She does all these things. She wasn't seeing the results. And I imagine a lot of your clients are like that. What do you tell those people that, like, just feel like they've tried everything. They're just so frustrated with all the different diet fads. Yeah, I just, I just explain that reverse dieting process. I have these videos that I send people. And it's basically the same conversation I have every single day for the last eight years.

I put it on a video and I send them the video so they can really get an idea of why they weren't losing weight before. And I just try to tell them, it's not like you're doing something wrong. You know, most people think there's something I'm not doing right or I'm not doing enough of this. And really, it all comes down to the food. I mean, it's all nutrition because people already work out. Like, their body's already used to that. So most of the time, that's why they can't lose weight because they don't know what they're doing food-wise. I mean, you can just eating healthy doesn't mean you're going to lose weight.

You know, like, as you know, you were eating super healthy and you weren't losing weight, you know. So it's just, it's just very, I don't know, it's just, it really is all science. I mean, it's all based off of food, especially if you're that person that's been working out your whole life, then that's just what your body is used to. You know, you can't work out anymore if you're already working out seven days a week. Like, you don't want to be in the gym doing an hour and 45 minutes of cardio to get in shape. You know, nobody wants to do that, you know, so, yeah. What's strategic cardio?

No, just, I mean strategic as in when you're adding cardio in. Okay. So, so like, let's say someone's losing weight, what's a strategic cardio to add in? I mean, hit for sure, doing some type of interval training. Usually it's a 45 second sprint, followed by one minute rest or one minute walk, whether that's on the Peloton bike or outside running, sprinting, whatever that is, just some type of just high intensity cardio. Like, I'm real big on science and data, and there's so many studies that show that hit cardio. I mean, if you do 20 minutes of that, which is only 10 full sprints, that's like doing 45 minutes of steady state cardio.

So that's like you just running on a treadmill steady state for 40 minutes. So you're burning just as many calories as that doing hitting hit cardio. But you wouldn't have people do more than 20 because then their body's going to get used to it. No, I just, you just have to cycle on and cycle off. So like once as we're in like this weight loss mode, I can have you do more cardio, but then at some point we have to cut it. it back. Right. Because your body gets used to it. Yeah. So it's, it sounds like what you, your specialty is, is getting the body out of the routine that it's in. Yeah. I mean, when it comes to, yeah, I mean, you could say that. Can you talk to us? You have a lot of celebrity clients.

Yeah. Can you tell us a little bit about what's worked for them? I know you were on Molly Sims' Instagram. Yeah. You're obviously with Hillary Duff. She did a huge shout out to you. What's worked with them? Why do you think it's worked so well? It's, I know why. It's, it's worked well because it's just not restrictive. Like Hillary's thing when she was dieting and she wanted to get lean for her wedding, she wanted to make sure that she had chocolate covered almonds every day. Like every day, she wanted 12 to 15 chocolate covered almonds and she wanted wine every second or third day. So just the plans were just not restrictive. I think that's the biggest part of this, you know, like we all have to, especially like in this scene, like you have to go out and enjoy yourself and, you know, do social stuff

with friends and family. And it's like you want to let loose. You want to have a drink. And most times when you're dieting, you can't do that. So I think that's why this approach is just the most sustainable approach because you really can still have your cake and eat it too, you know? Well, I think a lot of, here's what I think's happened in, not in just this country, but in the world. People have been fed so much information when it comes to diet and there's so many different things that they're so confused on what actually works and what doesn't. And so maybe you're somebody that's tried for a very long time and you just haven't got the results. So you're like, fuck it. I'm not going to do this anymore and it's all about body positivity. But at the same time, and like maybe this is

controversial to say, I still think deep down people want to look and feel the best that they can. You know, we're all vain and we all want to do that. And so it's almost like in a way, it's like this like, you know, I'm going to go and say, okay, body positive, just accept it. But I think deep down, people still want the information like how do they look and feel their best and whatever version that exists for themselves. But they just don't know what information to trust. And they don't know how to get there anymore. Yeah, that's the hardest part of like what I do is getting like that information out there. Because it really like for what I do, it sounds too good to be true.

You know, like, oh, telling me, I can still have drinks and I can still enjoy myself, still have some sweets before bed. And it's just, that's the hardest part of that is getting that information out there because you're right. There is so much info and really nobody knows what to believe. What is that? I do a good. You do do a good.

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And stay tuned for our episode with the founders. you are going to love it. And then they stare to believe one thing or like a new diet and it doesn't work. And so they just hit a brick wall and that's frustrating. So like with your approach, if I came to you, I feel like I'm in the camp of maybe I'm under reading right now because it's been a stressful year and I'm constantly taking too much caffeine and running around it on Zooms. In my case, I forget.

And I'm like, shit, in order to manage my weight. And I could see in certain areas like, I'm like, oh, okay. Like, how would you coach me through it to start like gaining healthy weight but also losing unhealthy weight, if that makes sense? Yeah, I mean, really just making sure that you're eating enough. So I would have to get a food journal to see where you're at calorie-wise. This is his food journal. Are you ready?

Oh, great. Wake up, burrito from Alfreds. Maybe picks at it, eats half of it, too busy, takes a call, distracted, done. He's done with it. Then maybe around 4 o'clock, he starts to get hypoglycemic. So he orders a huge order of postmates, usually a pasta, like a big pasta, and some kind of chicken meat. Usually a chicken pyerd. he eats half of that because he gets distracted.

That's literally what he eats. So, so he's under eating. No, what's crazy, I used to do lifting. And at one point I got to like 190 pounds. That's huge for me. That's too much. I was like an idiot. I was like one of those guys in the gym walking like this.

Your head looked too small. Yeah, yeah, exactly. But now I'm like, I think now I'm like, oh shit, I'm on the opposite. Like, for example, today I woke up super early, went boxing. And all I've had today so far is this smoothie, like a little bit of oatmeal and a green juice. It's not good for me. That's it? That's it.

That's all I've had. But it's, like, it's not every. every day like that. But today I'm like, this is not good. So I need to get back in a routine where I'm eating the proper macros at the proper times. And what's thrown me off this year is this Zoom work from home to this. That's what's fucked me up. But I didn't even think of pairing you two together. But that's not a bad idea. You should talk to Eric about how he would lose that. I don't think he would. I don't want to take the conversation. We can talk about that later. Maybe we could pick on me later. But I think that there's a lot of people this year that are thrown off

their routines and either overeating and eating the wrong foods or under eating. And I think like the way to frame this conversation out is to get people to feel their healthiest selves. Like, where do they start? I mean, just trying to get in a routine to where you're eating more. That's it. I mean, if you're under eating, then shooting for eating three times a day, you know, and finishing your meals. And then from there, you know, give that a few weeks, see how you feel. And then if, you know, if you're feeling good, then add in some snacks, you know, and just try to get your body used to eating more. And what type of foods of that, like specifically? Like if I, if you're talking to me or Lauren and you're saying, okay, like you need three meals a day. Like, what are you

putting in those meals? It just depends what you're currently doing now. That's the thing. If you're like, if you're on keto and you're just eating a bunch of proteins and fats, then I can't say, hey, eat three meals with proteins, carbs and fats because then that'd be too much carbs for you because you're not used to that. So it really just depends on the situation. Yeah, I mean, as long as you're getting three meals with a decent, you know, for men, we need like, say, six to eight ounces of protein per meal. And then it's still trying to do some type of shake a day. So if you get three meals, six to eight ounces of protein, still get a shake in. And that's at least some, you know, more protein than what you're doing right now. And that will definitely get you feeling

better and get you, you know, in the right, moving in the right direction. So if someone were wanting to work with you to lose weight and they're under eating, what's, walk us through exactly what happens? What do you do? Yeah. I mean, if you're under eating, there's no other option. I mean, if you're eating 1,200 calories, really, I mean, really 1,500 calories or less, you're going to have to start adding food in because in order to lose weight, like I was saying, you have to be in a 500 calorie deficit. So if you're eating 1,500, that means that would need to take you to 1,000 calories a day to lose weight. And it's just, it's not enough food. Okay. So I would have to slowly add in food, slowly and strategically add in food for usually like

two to three months, just because. And you don't see a lot of weight loss in the two to three It depends on the person. There's three things that happen as you lose weight. And I'm very upfront. And I want to make sure that everybody understands how this goes. Because if they think they're supposed to be losing weight when I'm adding food, then that's going to be a problem because not everybody does that. So as you add food, there's three things that could happen. One, you'll see weight loss and you'll see inches lost. Two, you don't lose any weight, but you'll lose inches. And then three, no changes at all. So transparent was the word I was looking for. So I'm very transparent. You don't think you'll gain. For sure. I think a lot of people would be scared. Like, am I going to gain weight if I had all this food? Nope. Nope.

And for long, I mean, you're down six, eight pounds as I've added when we were at, we went from a thousand calories to almost 1900. I have never eaten more in my entire life. I mean, I'm eating like all. Sometimes I'm like, oh my God, I have to eat again. So I'm eating all day long and I've lost six pounds. But we haven't pulled back. We're just starting to pull back.

We're not even trying to lose weight. We just, well, now we, we added three days in this week to, my lower days. Yep, lower calorie days. Well, I think this is good for men and women to hear because I think you do create a little bit of a toxic diet culture when you're restrictive to people and telling you got to cut, cut, cut, cut, cut. And it's like, then people stop eating and you start developing bigger food issues.

Like I think I've like, to your point, I've never seen my wife eat more and like regimented and she's looking great. I mean, yeah. So you just, I've just tried to be up front with people and just tell them you're not expected to lose weight during this time. It's very situational. And sometimes it happens, sometimes it doesn't. But as long as I give them the big picture so they know we need.

to get food up so that we can pull it back, then everybody's pretty receptive. Because at this point, they already have seen the video and they understand that they need to reverse diet. And there's really no other way to do it because they're already not eating enough. And that's not working. So you have to do the other and just start adding food in slowly to get them to lose. And that was with Hillary, like we, I added food. She was kind of in your boat. She was eating like 1,100 calories. We went from 1,100 to 1,800 and it was just under three months. And she lost 12. And then she was like three months out from her wedding. She still wanted to get leaner.

And that's when I started pulling food away. So she lost that 12, then another 10 as I pulled food back. And then kept that off through her honeymoon and all the way up until she got pregnant. You know, so it just, it works. But it's just I feel like so many people just want those, that instant gratification. And it's like they're not willing to put the time in to add food in slowly to get to that point where they can lose. And it's just, yeah, it's hard to try to like keep people. motivated when they're doing everything I tell them to do and they're working out and they're not

seeing changes. But again, that's why I try to be as transparent as I can and tell them we're not in weight loss mode right now. Once we get there, you'll be good. But we need to get food up higher. So am I in weight loss mode this week because you're pulling food back or do you then change it to seven days a week low food? Usually I'll do like two low, two low days, one higher day. Okay. Keep you there for a week or two. And then I'll go to three low days, one higher day, keep you there for a week or two and then go all low days. So I'm just like just slowly pulling food back instead of just being super aggressive. Okay, that makes sense. Because if I did that, you'd be starving because your body's used to eating 1,800 calories now. Got it. So yeah, you just have to

kind of slowly pull food back so that you're not starving. And you'll plateau a lot sooner if you just go from 1,800 to 1,300. Who taught you this way of eating? Because I've, again, I've never heard this from any nutritionist or diet expert. Yeah. I mean, when I was, it was, it was, yeah, like 2010, and I worked with a guy that I already did a bodybuilding show before that. And to this day, I cannot eat tilapia. Like, I ate so much tilapia. There was like five of us on the exact same program. And we all had different, we're all competing, but I was already in shape.

These guys weren't, but we're all eating the same. So I knew something was just off. Then I hired this guy to help me with the macro aspect of it and go this other route. And it was just a game changer. And I was eating, I mean, again, I was eating tilapia and asparagus. like that's what I was using to lose weight. And this next time I was eating skinny cow ice cream sandwiches. Like I had no tilapia, no fish and got just as shredded eating all that,

all of the foods that you don't think you can eat while trying to get in shape. So that's when I kind of just took what I learned from that and then just went from it. Yeah. So you go from eating tilapia and asparagus to eating like essentially what you want and what you like. Yeah. And it was the same. Yeah, that's why I knew this would work because I did it myself. I mean, I did it for four months. I was you prepping for the show. And I did it the one way, which is just the super whole food,

just very restrictive, no coffee, no, you know, towards the last month, you're cutting out all your carbs. It's terrible. And then the next year I did it, I was just as lean. If not, I definitely looked better, better conditioning. And I was eating all the foods that I liked. So that was a game changer for me. So what about on the flip side of it if someone's, if someone comes to you and they're overeating. So then that's easier to that's almost easier to lose weight because all you have to do is pull the calories back. You don't have to add them in like you did for me and Hillary. Yep. Exactly. So if you're all, if you come to me all and you're already eating enough food, then you can go right into weight loss mode, no problem. And that's when I'll start taking food

away. But again, that's just, I mean, as very few and far between like when I get clients like that, yeah. So it's a different strategy depending on the situation. Correct. And is there any food that that you focus on when you make people these plans that you think is really great for weight loss, or does it not really matter? No, it doesn't really matter. I mean, we want to try to keep it healthy. You know, obviously, this is about health. It's not just about how we look. So I try to do 80% whole food, 20% fun food. For sure, make sure that they get in enough fats, healthy fats, that is, and then make sure they get a fruit a day. So really, like, as long as there's a food on their plan, and there's a full serving of fats, they're getting their fiber, then we're good to go.

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pasta. It's one ingredient. I literally, Michael has seen me eat it every single day. And I do a half cup of rouse, Parmesan cheese, lemon. It's so good. It's so amazing that I get to lose weight with pasta. And then I also do things like eggs, bacon. You also have my favorite hot sauce on there. I measure it out. The measurements seem like that's a very important thing. too. Like I have the food scale. It's so much easier to know exactly what I need to eat. I like it because it's like, I think Steve Jobs said that when he wakes up, he wears the same thing every single day. I like when I'm in this mode of losing weight to know exactly what I'm eating and when to eat it. It's very helpful. Yeah. Do a lot of people that if you work with feel like that as well?

Yes and no. I'd say it's probably like 50-50. I feel like half the people I have just they have, they have their three or four plans and they can follow that for the next five months like you, you know, then I have other clients that just they want different plans or want to have, you know, more flexible plans every single day. So it just, you know, it kind of just depends on the person, really. I feel like I would crush it on this plan because I just want to be told what to do. And then I would just, I just want to be like, if I could take like a red and blue pill that was like, this is all you need to do to get this done. Like I'll do like I feel like. Your problem though, Michael is his problem is postmates. No, my problem is a lack of consistent.

in a lack of like what I'm doing. Like this morning, I got done boxing. I was like, obviously super hungry. And I'm like, what the fuck do I? And I couldn't think of it. And then I got drowned into a meeting and I forgot to eat. And I'm like, I'm super hungry again. That's my problem.

It's like I don't, if I had it outline like this is what you're doing. This is how much. This is when. And someone just, it's like what I do with my assistant. I just want to her to tell me exactly what I'm doing each day and I'm going to do it. I never thought of you guys working together because he's already in shape. But if you wanted to like put on a lot of people in my camp that are like I don't like, I love good food.

Don't get me wrong. If we go out to them, there's great restaurants, like, I love that. But we're not all going out to great restaurants every single night. And so I think if, like, a lot of us are like, I don't want the burden of having to figure out what I'm cooking, what I'm shopping, where every single time and like switching it up, I just want to know what to do it. I just want to do it. I just want to do it. I just want to do it. I just want to know what I'm eating. Yeah. It's nice having that plan because like you said, you don't have to think about it. You literally just look at the plan, follow it. And you're good to go. That's what I do. I wake up. I screenshot the plan. I'm going to do the day. And I just know what I mean. Because you know why, like I got so many other things that I got to think about in the day. And since food's not a focus for me and I'm not a great cook, I just want to like that part, I want to be like a little bit more, I don't want to say robotic, but a little bit more organized. I'm like, okay, like I can just move on from that. Yeah. Do you get a lot of people that want to put on muscle? Yeah. Oh, yeah, for sure. I mean, mainly I work with women and weight loss. But I have, I don't know, maybe like six or seven guys that I work with that I'm kind of doing the same thing, just adding food in with them. And they're just. just slowly adding muscle and size. And yeah, they're eating a ton. That's not a bad idea to like if you want to put on muscle. No, I think like I'm going to do, I think like another 15 pounds for me would be good. I've lost too much weight during this pandemic.

I'll say you look lean. You can see your triset from here. Yeah, he looks lean. That's nice. Well, you know, because I think I'm not eating up, but I'm doing a lot of cardio and boxing. So that's fine. Michael works out one day and I want to get back to where he is. It's very annoying.

It's very annoying. You always hear that for like women always say that about men. It's like, oh, they've been on a diet for a week and they lost 15 pounds. It's so annoying. But that's to my point, they're eating so much food. Us men, like, we eat a lot. So if we just eat half of what we normally eat, we'll drop 8, 10, 12 pounds in a month without even trying. But it's just because we eat a lot of food, you know, like most women just don't.

So it's not really like, obviously, more muscle burns fat. So we have more muscle. But I would say, really, it's just we eat so much food. And if we cut it back in half or by a third, I mean, we will lose. weight real quick. Well, I think it's a problem with diet culture and where I do empathize with many women, a lot of women is that like, you know, there's such this pressure to be lean and fit and like all of these things. And so they think like, oh, I got to eat less. And it's, I don't think it's fair. Like men do not, I don't care what anyone says. We don't receive that same pressure. Like there's

nobody pressuring men to eat as little as what women are forced to do. So I think like having this conversation and saying like, listen, the problem is not eating so little. It's eating enough so that your body can operate in the most optimal way. Yep. No, for sure, because you have to be eating enough to lose. And again, I just most women, I don't know. There's, I feel like with women and just with hormones in general, there's just so much, I don't know, like guilt.

Like you feel bad after eating a bad meal, you know. And I always tell clients, just remember, one bad weekend will not ruin your physique. Just like one good weekend won't give you a six pack. You know, so it's like, I don't know. I just, when my clients go out of town, I tell them, just enjoy yourself. You know, like still try to, if you're going to have more drinks, watch your carbs, you know, but you don't have a good time. Enjoy yourself.

You're on vacation. But I feel like it's just so hard for just women in general to do that, you know. So it is hard because we've been fed like all this culture and this diet culture, like Michael said, that's, that's, it's too much content to consume. It's too overwhelming. So it's good to like, I always say like when I watch Instagram story, I only watch three people's Instagram story because when it's too much content, it gets. It's confusing.

Irony of this is like, you know, you don't want an episode like this to trigger people in the wrong way, but at the same time, you want to try to get people that are interested in this subject the right information, right? So it's like this double-edged sword. It's like you're not trying to make anybody feel bad about where they are with their body and life. But at the same time, for people that are trying to improve, like, you want to try to have conversations that can potentially give them productive tools in order to take hold of

their weight loss journey or their diet or their body or whatever it may be. I also think when I'm triggered by something, what works for me is finding out why I'm triggered from it. Instead of blaming the person that I think is triggering me, I look inward and I'm like, what about this is making me feel triggered? Yeah. And I work on that as opposed to outrely saying, that's triggering me. I don't want to listen to that or watch that. It's like, why is that triggering me?

Yeah. I also want to point out one thing. another thing that I really like about working with you is that when I go out to dinner, it's not like you can only have chicken. You work that in too to the plan. Can you speak on that? Yeah. You know, you have this. I kind of look at it like a budget with money. You have a budget with food. So you have a budget of proteins, carbs and fats. Once you reach that budget, then you're done eating for the day. So like for you, if you wanted to go out to dinner and you want to have that like big pasta meal, then that just means that we'll pull some food back earlier in the day to compensate

for that bigger meal. So you can still go out with your family, still go out for date, night, enjoy yourself, but just know you're going to have to eat a little bit less earlier in the day to compensate for the amount of food that you're going to eat that night. You know, if you're going to have a drink, then we need to pull back 30 grams of carbs. So earlier in the day, instead of having your rice for lunch, we'll pull that out. And then you can have your drink for dinner and still be within your macros and still be good to go. A drink is 30 carbs. 30 carbs.

Any drink. I feel like this is all an illusion when it comes to like alcohol. But yes, basically alcohol does not have macros. It does not have proteins, carbs, and fats. It just has calories. So if you do a white claw, I think that's like 100, 100 calories. But it only says four grams of carbs. That 100 calories is really 25 carbs.

Or you have to count for those calories somewhere. So that's why like, you know, if any of those light, light beers or any of those light drinks, it's very low calorie, but it's still a hundred cal, I'm sorry, very low carb, but still 100 calories. And I know just because I know nutrition, four grams of carbs is 100 calories, four grams of proteins, 100 calories. So there's no way, it's only four grams of carbs, no fat, no protein, and it's 100 calories. So, yes, it's 30 grams of carbs per drink. That's what I say, just to make it easy. If you're going to have a drink, and it's you and you're in weight loss mode, what's your drink of choice?

Never beer. I love beer, but I would not. I do too. I do too. But I like it just, I did this little science study. I did it. I did once. My friends and I, we go and we watch football on Sundays. We were there all day. We went to this restaurant. I had maybe like, say five drinks, five beers, blue moons. And I ate bar food twice that day. Woke up the next day, nine pounds heavier. We went to the same place, same spot the very next Sunday to watch football. I went to Zips. watch football. I say, you know what? I'm going to do jack and diets today. I did jack and diets, five of them all day, you know, where they're watching football, had the exact same bar food that I had the week before, and I only gained three pounds. So, I mean, when you're drinking beer, it's so much

bloat. And even with the beer, that next week, by Sunday, the weight was all off. So it's just, you know, it's water weight from the sodium and the beer and stuff like that. But either way, that was nine pounds compared to three. So I will always drink anything that's, liquor, That's what I would drink if I'm in like weight loss mode. Usually I'll just do, yeah, like Jack and Diet or Scotch. I'll do Scotch on the rocks or something like that. You are really good at telling people to step away from the scale. You don't live and die by the scale.

Why is that? It just creates an unhealthy relationship with it, especially for women. Women, you guys have all these hormones and you're going to fluctuate, you know, like you're going to be up a few pounds regardless of how good you ate the day before. That's just how it goes. And I just, I don't know, I just, I see, I've worked with so many women and I've seen how that affects them. And it just really, I don't know, I just, I don't like that. So that's why we weigh once a week. That's it. Some clients I have, they have an already have an unhealthy relationship with the scale and they don't feel, they don't feel comfortable getting on the scale. So I have a handful of clients that don't even weigh themselves. We just kind of go off of pictures and how they look, how they feel, how their clothes fit, things like that. Yeah, the scale is not. the end-all be-all. I mean, some people, they'll gain two pounds in a week, eating a tenant compliance. They were perfect on the plan. They still gained two pounds. And that will ruin their week.

And yeah, I just want to get away from that. It's not, you can't live and die by that. What's a success story? What's your best success story? It doesn't have to be a huge amount of weight loss. Yeah. Something that was very successful. I just, I had a client that she's tried literally everything. Actually, I have these two clients. I have two clients right now. And I think they have, they're doing a podcast. They were musicians and their sisters, and they are killing it. We've been working together for probably eight months. And yeah, I mean, they're probably my biggest success story right now because they have literally spent thousands of dollars working with doctors and therapists and trying to like make sure everything they're doing for their body is good,

but they never reversed dieted. They never like had a nutritionist or nutrition coach add food in for them. And they were very skeptical at first, but they knew someone, who had did my program and I did the same thing with them and they lost and they were stoked. So these two sisters came to me and yeah, it's been eight months. And every message I get from them when they're down in weight is just they're so grateful. And they just can't believe they continuously are losing weight. They're both down. I think one of them's down about 22.

The others down 18. They both have about five pounds left and then they're good to go. So that was what that was, I think it was about four full months of adding food in slowly, three months of pulling food back. And now we just started adding again right after Thanksgiving. So yeah, I would save them because they are both just killing it. And they've literally tried everything. So for this to work, they are just so grateful and so excited that they're feeling good and looking good.

Also, you're not weird about coffee or match. I asked you if I could have matcha, coffee, bone broth and drinking bone broth right now. Like celery juice, that's not affecting anything with the plan, which I think is cool as well. Yeah, I mean, every, I mean, I love coffee. In my coffee, I'm like half creamer, half coffee. I don't know about you guys, but that's just like, I love all the creamer. So yeah, I mean, I look forward to that. That's just one of my daily habits. I enjoy it. And if, I don't know, if like, that's not going to hinder weight loss. You know, if you're doing some type of cream or if you're doing, you know, whole milk or if you're doing half and half, like doing that daily isn't going to ruin any type of progress that you're going to have. what do you think about all these other dietitians and nutritionists that are that are like eat chicken, eat broccoli? Is that frustrating to be in an industry with so many people like that? Yeah, I wouldn't. Yeah, it is, you know, because it's just, it's not sustainable. Like, that's the biggest part of this. Like, what good is losing 20 pounds if you're just going to gain it back

because you cut out all the things that you love, you know? And that's just, I don't know, I've seen it. And I've seen it over and over again. A lot of times I see it with like just being in that competing the competition world. Like, I'd see that with women that do these bikini shows. They get on stage after just very low calories, an hour and a half of cardio daily. Look, the leanest they've ever looked and they're so happy. And then within a month, they could be up 20 pounds. And it's just like, you work so hard.

And it's just you have to reverse diet, you know, no matter what, if you're super restrictive and if you don't take the time to add food in slowly, that weight comes on quick and then it sticks. And then it's going to take you a year to get it off. I've seen it. It's, so yeah, so the yo-yoing, not ideal. So working with you, you would say you need at least eight months to work with someone to really have sustainable results. If they're already eating enough food, then no. Then I need maybe like four or five months. Three months of pulling food back and then two months of adding. But really, it depends, you know, on the situation. Some people are just, they're not wanting to lose weight, but they're wanting to get into a healthier relationship

of food. You know, they're scared to eat pasta. They're scared to eat afraid to eat bread, you know, and it's like, those are all the good, that's the good stuff. I eat bread every day. You do eat, yeah. My two ounces of bread seriously every single day. Yep, you do avocado toast. Yeah. All sorts of stuff. Like, like the best. Yeah. I mean, and you, you have a smile on your face when you're eating it, right? Like, it's, I enjoy it. Like food is life. Life is food. You know, like, when you go out of town, like, you want to go to those good restaurants, you know, so knowing how to manage that and still, you know, being. You know, able to lose or maintain while doing this program, it's huge.

A lot of Adderall culture in L.A. I personally, I can't stand Adderall. I've taken it many times in high school and it made me like a psycho. I don't understand how people are having sustainable results with Adderall. Can you speak on that? Not a hundred percent familiar with that. Only thing I know is I thought Adderall makes it so like you have no appetite. It does.

It does. It does. It does. It does. It's literally a methamphal. Have you seen that meme? It's like, it's like the girl's like, hey, Adderall, you saved my life. It's Adderall or something. It's like, I'm literally meth. But it's a meth and betterment. Yeah, I mean, if you just, I mean, that's the thing. If you just stop eating, then I mean, you're going to

wither away at some point, you know, it's just, yeah, I don't know how they can maintain that unless they're just always doing Adderall. I don't know. And then you stop taking it and I feel like your metabolism's fucked. Oh, yeah, I'm sure. Yeah. I'm sure. That's what I feel like happens to so many people. they take it, they take it, they take it. And then it's actually very similar to under eating. Yeah, 100%. And then they start to eat normal. Yeah.

And then they're going to gain all this weight back that they lost or if they didn't lose, they're going to be gaining a bunch of weight for sure. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So you were on Molly Sims' Instagram. We saw you. I think she has like a highlight on you.

Yeah. How have you worked with celebrities in the past? Is it the same way that you're working with me where you show them the Excel sheet? Is there something different? Is it the same? There's different like packages that I have with COVID. Things are just different because no one's really eating out a lot. But normally there's just like different tiers. So like with Hillary and

Molly, like I talk to them every day. Like I would adjust their food every day based off of whatever social events they have out or meetings out. So I mean, they have the same spreadsheets. Everything's the same. I just talk to them daily. And then I would adjust their plans daily based off of their eating out. That's kind of what you do with me. Like we just text back and forth. And we decide what's going to happen for each day. Yeah. We don't talk daily, but like we were, I was talking with them literally every single day. So you and I were like every second or third day. Is that because I like the plans? I like the plans over and over. Yes. Okay. Yes. Because you enjoy them. So, you know, a lot of people just, they like different things, but you know, you're, you know, you like and there's nothing wrong with

I actually might have you add in some chocolate covered almonds. Nice. You should. Yeah. They're so good. I know. That sounds pretty good. I'm not going to lie. Yeah. Okay. Where can everyone find you, pimp yourself out? Yeah, on my Instagram, there's so many people that have like the flexible dieting coach handle of some sort. So yeah, I'm the flexible dot dieting dot coach. We have a website. So my business is the, it's called the Body Shop Gilbert. And yeah, we're in Gilbert, Arizona. So you can go on there and you can, there's like a link that if you want to learn more and you just fill that out, put your info and then we'll reach out. You're amazing. Thank you so much. I am loving. what you've put together for me. Maybe Michael will do it too. I'd have to get myself on a routine. Yeah.

Yeah, I think that'd be good. You bulk you up. Yeah. How about I lose why he bulks? There we go. Yeah, that's the game. Yeah. Thank you guys so much for having me on.

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