The Bossticks - The Future of Health: Why Proactive Care Starts With Your Data Ft. Nate Graville Of Geviti

Episode Date: December 19, 2025

#919: Nate Graville, founder of Geviti, joins us to break down why modern healthcare often waits until it's too late — and how proactive, personalized data can change everything. After losing his father, Nate set out to build a better system rooted in preventative bloodwork, longevity science, and trust-first health data. In this episode, we unpack the biggest misconceptions around bloodwork, how personalized insights can help you optimize your energy, health, and future, and why the next era of healthcare is proactive — not reactive.   To Watch the Show click HERE   For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM   To connect with Geviti click HERE   To connect with Nate Graville click HERE   To connect with Lauryn Bosstick click HERE   To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE   Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE   Head to our ShopMy page HERE and LTK page HERE to find all of the products mentioned in each episode.   Get your burning questions featured on the show! Leave the Him & Her Show a voicemail at [phone].   This episode is sponsored by Geviti  Use code SKINNY at checkout for 20% off your first purchase at http://gogeviti.com/skinny.   Produced by Dear Media

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Hello everybody. Welcome back to another episode of the Skinny Confidential, Him and Her Show. Today we have Nate Graville. He is the founder of Jevity. health tech company changing the way people approach personalized health and longevity. After losing his father, which we talk about in this episode, Nate saw firsthand how slow and reactive traditional health care can be. It pushed him to build the system he wished existed when that happened. One that uses real data to help people take control of their health.

Jevity focuses on personalized blood work, clear insights, and science-backed protocols designed to help people live longer, feel better, and perform at their best. It's a topic we love talking about how to optimize your life, how to live better, how to feel better. What I also really love about this conversation is we talk a lot about health and wellness and supplements on this podcast, but sometimes people are in the dark about what's right for them. In this conversation, you can start to figure out what actually works for you, what's tailored for you individually, and Jevity can help you do that. With that, Nate, welcome to the skinny confidential, him and her show. This is the skinny confidential, him and her.

All right, so I was saying before we started, Lauren is deathly afraid of anything blood, anything needles. I've seen her give birth three times now. I love giving birth. And she, I think I'm not, it's going to be pulled out of context. I feel like she mentally has an easier time with that than giving a little blood here and there. I would rather give birth 20 times than get my blood taken. Really? Goodness. Yeah, I mean, having watched my wife do that twice, I, hopefully will get you over that by the end of this. We'll see. We'll see. Even the word blood gives me anxiety, but I think that this is such an important subject to talk about because there is so much information in the blood. Yeah, it's critical. I mean, there's no literally no other way to essentially get a blueprint to your health.

Unfortunately, the path to do so would be getting a needle in your arm. And it's not enough to do those like capillary blood draw devices either or a finger prick spot check. We were talking about, you know, if I get a paper cut, why can't I use that? It's not just about, you know, the venous blood draw. It's also the amount and what you test for within that. And so, yeah, I mean, you hopefully twice a year can muster up the courage to get over that. Hopefully, that's my goal by the end of this episode. But it doesn't need to be more than twice a year if you're doing it comprehensive enough. There's some companies out there or physicians who might want to do it quarterly and that's fine. But a lot of our members are very similar to you where it's needle phobia is what we call it.

And it's a real thing. My co-founder is also deathly afraid of needles. He will pass out if he watches somebody else get their blood drawn. I've been in meetings where he's been watching me get my blood drawn and he has to just totally turn the other way. So you're not alone in that, but if you recognize all of the benefits, there's just no way to actually know what's happening underneath the hood unless you get your blood drawn. You mentioned that it's a blueprint for your health, your blood. Yep. What does that mean? Yeah, so we could have underlying issues that we just don't know about and won't know about, unfortunately, until it's too late.

So I'm 27 years old. My father passed away in 2021. Sorry to hear that. Thank you. Yeah. And he was a very healthy individual or seemingly healthy. He worked out a lot. He ate healthy. He, you know, did all the right things on paper, but he was also, you know, afraid of needles. And again, that's a very common thing. And so, you know, he figured, well, I feel fine, therefore I am fine. And it's a misconception that us feeling fine means that we are fine. Fifty-eight years old ended up finding out through blood work after having a lot of symptoms that he had lung cancer, non-small cell lung cancer. And this was just a few months after I married my wife in just a few months before we found out we were pregnant with our first. So a roller coaster of emotions, which ultimately led me to,

know, found Jevity. But that's kind of when I really recognize just how critical blood work is. If he would have had a product like Jevities and had been a subscriber to it before he passed away, I believe that there's a high probability that he would still be with us today. And what do you think they could have found that would have potentially given him a better fighting chance? Well, I mean, even as something as simple as a CBC, which is included in most full panels that you'll get with your primary care doctor, that'll at least start painting a picture. There will certainly be abnormalities in your CBC, your complete blood count.

But beyond that, lipoprotein A, C-reactive protein, inflammation markers, when you have cancer, there's obviously a lot going wrong. And, you know, it's probably not best practice to go do a full-body MRI like every six months because radiation and that's just not good for you. So less harmful would be blood work. It's not going to be enough to give a diagnosis, but it's enough to recognize there's something wrong here and we need to go and, you know, dig deeper. So I think a lot of people when it comes to this kind of thing, they are not only scared

to look under the hood, but they feel if they look under the hood that potentially then creates a greater chance for something to happen. And then there's the other camp, which is I need to know everything much. earlier so that I can prevent it. And so there's like these, I feel like there's like two camps. There's not really like in the middle. You're either like, I really want to know everything so I can solve everything or I don't want to look at anything because I think if I add more to it's like speaking it into power almost. For people that are skeptical about this stuff, why would you argue for it? Like, and what are the main things that you tell people that are coming to you saying, hey, I'm

thinking about doing this, but I'm skeptical. Yeah. So in some instances, I would argue ignorance is bliss. This is not one of them. And what I would tell them is my story. story, my story of my father and why this is a very real thing. And having talked about my story a lot on podcasts and speaking stuff, I've found that my story is incredibly common. It's not uncommon at all. There's so many of us who have lost people we love way too soon by something that could be prevented. We know cancer can be largely prevented. I would say, look, like, procrastination drives anxiety. We know that anxiety is oftentimes driven by, pushing something off that we know we don't have to push off, but we continue to kick the can further down the road and eventually we'll get to it. Well, with what we're talking about here, eventually getting to it could be a matter of life or death and ignorance is not bliss there. So how do you balance like, okay, I've done my blood work and now I have all of this information with, I don't want all of this information because it's going to be anxiety provoking.

that's kind of what we've built and designed. We recognize with how comprehensive we get with blood. We're looking at over 100 biomarkers across various physiological systems. That is way too much information for just the average person to consume. They have no idea what they're looking at. And that also would be anxiety provoking. So that's where we come into play. We, of course, ingest all of this into our AI.

we have somebody hop into a telehealth conversation with you through our application and we'll walk through step by step what your blood work is saying and how we can basically augment your physiology by supplementation or peptides or nutrition before we get into any like pharmaceutical stuff which largely we could like prevent getting into pharmaceutical stuff if we just address the foundation nutrition, fitness, etc. Our team makes it really easy to ingest this information in a way that's digestible and doesn't create anxiety. And then you have to also create an action plan that doesn't cause you to change your whole life where your life is built around this desire to basically live optimized. You have to have a plan in place that's sustainable where it works around

your life. Yeah, we've done this show for a long time and a lot of the things we talk about is supplementation and obviously living optimally. But what I tell people all the time is what we do specifically is also based on having some accurate information. And I tell people, like, if you're going to start doing a lot of the supplementation or taking things, like, it's a good idea to know, like, what you need, what you don't need. I imagine with the panels, it gives you a much greater blueprint an idea of what you need more of and what maybe you can pull back on. Yeah, I mean, you can't fly blind with supplementation. We do. It's the way supplementation is done generally is like network marketing.

Word of mouth. My friend started taking this. They swear I should be taking this. So I started taking this as well. Or Instagram, you're scrolling through and one of your favorite celebrities or influencers is marketing a brand and, you know, okay, this sounds great.

I'm going to buy it. This new longevity pill, it's going to change everything. But yeah, we find a lot of people come to us and they have like eight different bottles of supplements that they take every single day and they have for years. And then we go underneath the hood. We look at their blood work and we find you don't need any of this. In fact, you're taking the wrong things and you can be taking far less. So supplementation is it's incredibly important because there's obviously nutritional deficiencies.

Our food is just not the same and we're not getting enough nutrients from our food. Even if we ate a perfect diet, we're still not going to get all the nutrients we need. So you don't like just get in your car and start driving and expect to like find your destination. You need to obviously plug it into the GPS and you need direction. You need to know exactly where you're going and how to get there. That is the that is the blood work and supplementation. It needs to be data driven. You need to be like clearly directed. And you can't go off of symptoms. You can't go off of well, I feel like I have low energy. I heard vitamin D is going to give me more energy. I'm going to start taking vitamin D. And with something like that, you don't want to just start taking vitamin D.

You can take too much vitamin D and very bad things can happen. Like what, when you say very bad things can happen, you can make yourself sick or you can or what? Well, it could be in super high levels toxic. So yeah, sick. I want to know how many vials of blood you have to do. Okay, so it's one poke. After the poke is done, the vials of blood don't matter. Well, is it like 12 or is it like two? I think we've got it down to now, I believe, eight vials. Now, they're not all the same size.

And if you compare it to giving blood, donating blood, which I also do, we're talking a tenth of that, less than a tenth of that. Eight miles is not that much, learned. It's not. No. If you went into a quest and did our same panel, it would be closer to 12, 12 to 15. but with our lab, we've got it down to less. And why does it have to be so many? Why can't you get the same amount of information from one bile?

Well, that would be super nice. And hopefully one day we will be able to. I'm sure, you know, we've all heard of Theranos and, you know, the promise to deliver all of this biomarker data with just a single drop of blood. Theoretically, it's possible scientifically we're just not there yet. So, you know, you just need more volume. It's not the same machine that's running all of these different panels. They're going through different machines.

It may not be the same machine that's looking at your hormones, that's looking also at your CBC. And so you need enough blood to actually be able to go and do all of the testing that we're doing. If we were looking at less biomarkers, we can draw a couple of vials and get the results back probably even a little bit quicker. We're looking at two to five days to get the results back right now. maybe it'd be like, you know, one day, but we're, we would be looking at not enough. We need the full picture. And the issue with blood work generally is I'll go to my primary care physician. I'll ask for a full panel.

And what a full panel is comprised of generally is a CBC, a complete blood count, comprehensive metabolic panel at best, sometimes a basic metabolic panel, and a lipidivis. panel. We want to see what your cholesterol looks like and all of that. But they don't go beyond that. They're not looking at other critical markers like your CRP, your apolliproproprotein B, your apilipar protein A1, librate protein little A. These are these are critical markers that are not looked at by primary care physicians. And it's not their fault. It's really it's insurance company's fault. But as soon as technology allows us to get the vials down to, you know, two, three, for vials, even less eventually.

Trust me, I mean, we want to do that. Yeah. We had Anthony Williams, the medical medium on our podcast, and he said something that the internet went wild for. It went viral. He said that one of the reasons that people are getting sicker and sicker is because they're giving so much blood. While they're sick.

While they're sick. So like he said, say someone's diagnosed with a certain cancer, the protocol is that you have to give blood every week or every other week. And what happens is that your blood is your immune. system, he said. And so it's stripping the immune system every single time. His take was that it's make, that the immune system lives in the blood and that when people are sick and they go to the hospital, they're giving too much blood and it's stripping their immune system. And again, this is a clip that went crazy. It got a lot of put a lot of people in the medical community obviously push back.

You may push back, right? We're curious. But I'm curious on your take on that because he, you know, obviously he's got a big voice in the medical community and he said that and it went kind of nuts. Yeah. I mean, I would say I'd like. to see some data that supports that. I've never heard of something like that. I'd say, I'd argue your immune system lives in your gut, not in your blood. I think that blood is important to get data from and how your other health systems are functioning. But to say your immune system lives in your blood is interesting. And there's a difference between giving blood and getting your blood drawn for screening purposes or diagnostic purposes. So we're talking a pretty significant delta in volume. It is

It is much less blood that we're actually getting from you than what you would be giving in an instance where you're sick or you have cancer and you're in the hospital and you're having to give blood for whatever reason. But to hear that one of the reasons why everybody's so sick is because we're giving too much blood. If I may just be frank, I think that's nonsensical. Well, I think a lot of people have that take. Obviously, like he has his opinions. But I would also like to distinguish that what he was referring to is when you're saying. sick in the hospital. The hospitals are taking a lot and then the person is... It sounds like what he's saying is it's apples to oranges, but the taking blood when you're

sick's different than... But a lot of people in the medical community, the credential were saying what you are saying, which was it was nonsensical. And, you know, again, like, this is not our expertise. I'm just sharing, you know, what he said. I think one of the things that I also wanted to talk to you about is, I've heard you talk about fertility rates and being concerned. And I brought this up on a podcast that we did where I said, you know, Elon's big thing is that he's worried about fertility rates plummeting. And I know you have an opinion on that. Can the blood tell you anything about fertility? A very basic amount, right? Like your LH and FSAH and some of your other sex hormones. Like that's about it. However, we have other tests at Jevity that can tell you a lot more.

So everybody starts with blood work. And then blood work is a segue into a whole, I mean, it's totally unique depending on the individual. There might be evidence of gut dysbiosis. So we're going to ask you to do a GI map. And that is, if you haven't done a GI map, I would highly suggest you do a GI map. I think everybody should do a GI map. It's a little gross. Like, you have to collect your stool and send it into a lab. But an interesting thing that we've found is so many people, way more than I would have ever expected, have a bunch of bad bacteria overgrowth and parasites. We have parasites. So if you know, if you want my take on what's making everybody sick, I'd say a lot of it is gut related.

That doesn't answer your question. You did answer my question that the blood can't tell you too much about fertility, but there's other things. But I would also be interested to hear your take on fertility rates plummeting in general. Because I brought this up on a show and I got a lot of pushback. But there's some people that are saying, hey, we have way too many people. And there's other people sounding the alarm saying, we're not going to have enough people. And that's what I was referencing.

I wonder for your perspective. Yeah. No, I would agree with Elon. We need to have more children. We absolutely need to have more children. And fertility is a big issue. We're seeing men who have an incredibly low testosterone paired with incredibly low LH and FSAH, which are responsible for your reproductive system.

And then alternatively, or women, we have also a lot of imbalance hormone imbalance, a lot of women who are on birth control at a very young age. And now they're in that family planning stage of life and they're off birth control. their hormones haven't rebounded. It's still out of whack. And it's not, without HRT, it is not super easy to get your hormones back in balance. In fact, it's incredibly hard. So, you know, that's, that's one part of it. What's causing that is, is I think, you know, what we really need to do more research on. Why are men and women unable to get pregnant? Like, why are, why is men's reproductive system so bad and why is women's reproductive system so bad? And I think for women, it probably

has a lot to do with birth control and just how over prescribed birth control is. But with men, we see a lot of young men who are not leaving the computer. They're playing video games all day. They're not active in sports anymore. There's not much of a social life, honestly, with young men. And that stuff matters a ton when it comes to testosterone levels. and LH and FSAH, which ultimately impact your testosterone levels. So there needs to be like this complete paradigm shift. There's not any one thing that's the cause of all of our issues. There's a bunch of things that are wrong that require a complete paradigm shift to get

right. And there's clinically a paradigm shift that needs to happen. Right now, the whole healthcare system is reactive. It's a reactive healthcare system. And I'm not one of those. wellness people who just wants to poo poo on traditional medicine, you know, all day, every day. It's incredibly important. It has its place. In fact, it's been the only solution for all of human history. I mean, you know, hundreds of years ago, we were dealing with rattlesnake

bites and yellow fever. You know, we fast forward to today and we actually have the technologies available to flip the script and to be proactive now, to get ahead of the curve, to know what's happening underneath the hood. And so we need to have a paradigm shift there where our whole health care model starts with preventative and proactive care. And then goes to reactive. Right now, roughly 20% of our GDP is spent on health care. That's 20% of our GDP going towards sick care. Yeah, a lot of people in this country, they are upset that we don't have free health care.

But what I don't think people realize is we are so sick as a population, not saying everyone, but we literally could not afford as a country to do that. We're getting overrun by it as it exists right now, and it's not provided, right? It's because there's because we're not preventative, we're dealing in a reactive way with disease and sickness all the time. And it's overburdening the financial system. Yeah. In a short way of saying we literally can't afford it. There's so much wrong.

Going back to 1970, it was 7% of our GDP was spent on health care. You fast forward to today, it's 20%. In 1970, we had very little obesity. Fast forward today. We have a ton of obesity. Well, is that a little odd? we're spending more on health care. We're the world's most advanced country. Why are the more we spend on health care, the more unhealthy people actually get. And that that is nonsense. It should not be

that way. And again, there's not any one issue with why it is that way. It's a lot of, it's a lot of issues. But if we're going to be spending four and a half trillion dollars a year on health care, I don't know about you guys. I would much prefer four and a half trillion dollars. going towards preventative and proactive care, getting people healthy. Being healthy should not be this battle against your own self. It shouldn't be a willpower derived thing. In America, you should be default healthy. We should just all be default healthy. And then the anomaly should be us getting sick and having to then go into the reactive health care model. And I like to think we're not far off from that happening.

Well, I think the, I think the information, I think people actually know high level what to do. Like, we know we should not be eating a bunch of processed foods. We know we shouldn't be overeating sugar. We know we shouldn't be over drinking alcohol. We know that we should be moving our body. We know we should be sleeping, right? But the problem is, is then there's all of these things that exist in our day-to-day lives that inhibit those opportunities, right?

There's too many opportunities for processed food. there's not enough opportunities for movement and fitness. There's too many things that disrupt our sleep on a regular basis. There's too many pharmaceuticals that disrupt our hormones. There's too many synthetic fragrances that are feeling. I was reading this article today that like Bed Bath and Beyond is doing this thing where they're pumping fragrance into the subway stations of New York. Dave Ashby was all upset about it because he's like this is like basically.

Oh my. He was basically saying like this is a marketing stunt by a big company without your consent where you now have to breathe all these, you know, endocrine disruptors. That is wild. And so the problem is like the system is stacked against the average person and the average because we have to deal with all of these things. And it's like it just makes it harder and harder to then do the things we all know we need to do. And people get priced out of it too. I mean it's it's like that's the other thing. And that's incredibly important. Like you shouldn't have to make a certain amount of money to be healthy. But that's ultimately like what we see nowadays.

It's access to ultra processed foods is easy. It's also cheap. It's also. cheap. It's much more expensive to go to a whole food diet. Well, this is another controversial thing to say. I'll say it because it's my show and I don't mind you case on the flack, but like there in other words this big snap benefits thing. And a lot of people were upset there because they were saying the taxpayers subsidizing a lot of these benefits, but you can use some of these things to buy chips and sodas and candies and the things that we know are not good for the average consumer. Like they were saying like shouldn't that system be set up to put people in a position to buy healthy alternatives, not to make us sicker.

So like we're essentially like subsidizing an opportunity for people to become more sick. You've just hit the nail on the head. That is one of the many things that are wrong. It's like people are met with a decision. Do I feed my family of five with ultra-processed foods, cheap foods and chips and soda? Or do I feed half of my family with whole foods? And that's a terrible position to put people in. I mean, this is controversial, I'm sure. kind of antithetical to like my my I guess political system belief system but I think a lot of this stuff should be banned I think it should be illegal I think it should be outlawed because they're just there are no pros other than it tastes better and it's more addictive because of that you get a better dopamine response and you want to come back to the Cheetos more frequently but if you're getting absolutely no benefits from the Cheetos yet you know it's we look at at the lower class and people who, you know, are on food stamps. And that's primarily,

unfortunately, the type of diet that they're having to, you know, subscribe to. Yeah. It's, it's hard when, because again, it's a slippery slope when you go and you start telling people like these things now need to be banned, especially because the way this country was built, and obviously the way of a capitalistic society. But the system has now been incentivized to provide the cheapest, most nutrient bear products. to people that are addictive and that keep you coming back and keep you like when you said even when you the the idea from a vault food volume perspective do you want to feed a family of five with these kind of you know higher volume but nutritionally empty products or maybe less but with more nutrition

meaning like you might not need to eat as much if you're getting quality products and sometimes when you're eating low quality products it's actually not nourishing your body the way it needs to and so you feel like you need to eat more of it yeah yeah 100 percent i mean basically it's It's maybe you'll be eating less calories, but almost certainly you'll have more nutrients. That's a trade-off. I heard that you have conflicting opinions on Brian Johnson, some of his movements, and you called it marketing snake oil. Well, yeah, and ironically, his olive oil is called snake oil. So I think he's telling us in plant side.

Yeah, yeah, you know, I'm a Christian. So I believe that there's more to life than just trying to maximize our lifespan. I believe that trying to achieve physical perfection is like a vain pursuit. Really what longevity is to me, yes, of course, it's the intersection between health span and lifespan. But it's not let's just maximize our years for the sake of maximizing our years. It's let's maximize our years so I can watch my children grow and have a family of their own. and watch those kids have a family of their own and be around for generations, not just to like sit there and watch, but also be there cognitively, physically.

Like I would love it is, I mean, I believe this is going to happen, but this is what I'm working towards. I want to be there with my great, great grandchildren golfing at the cabin. Like that is a dream that I'm trying to reach. That is what I'm essentially like my longevity pursuit is about. But the idea that we may not have to die, I think is, it's a. vain pursuit. And, you know, I mentioned my belief system. If we go back to the garden, right, when man was perfect before sin had entered the world, we were talking about a perfect state,

a perfect state spiritually, emotionally, and physically. We're talking about no sickness, reaching basically living forever without dying and in a perfect world. We were also perfect emotionally and spiritually. I don't know about you guys. I don't know. I don't. look around this world and see a world that's perfect emotionally and spiritually. I think that we're divided. I think that we disagree on so much. I think that there's a lot of opinions that conflict with one another and we put too much weight into those opinions and we just don't like each other enough. So to live forever in this world to me seems like we're trying to basically achieve eternity in hell in a sense where, you know, it's just, again, antithetical to my belief system. I think that

Yes, let's treat our body well because we should. And in doing so, let's treat it well because we want to enjoy what God has given us, the gifts and blessings that he's given us, which what matters most to me is family, the children that I'm, that my two boys and soon to be more. And then watching them grow old and have families of their own. That to me is like what longevity is all about. And if you're going to biohack your way through life, I would hope that you're biohacking your way through life with a destination, with a goal in mind, not just the goal in mind being, let's live forever, enjoy the world. And again, just the ways of the world, I don't, I don't view as this thing that I want to be a part of forever. Yeah. I think like, I agree. I think some of the

the idea of living forever, one, I just don't think it's, I think it's nonsensical of word you used earlier. I do think that there are some good messages that Brian shares, which is basically, like, you want to live the healthiest, most optimized version of yourself for as long as possible. I think that is, I think that is good. But like, I like Brian, we're friends and we, you know, each other personally, but I think don't die creates a scenario where it's like, we're not going to just live forever. It's good marketing, though. Yeah. It is a great marketing. Yeah. But I, but I do think, like, the good things to take from that are, obviously, we're, we could do better with our health span and our lifespan and we could live healthier and we can

eat better and a lot of the things that he's doing, you know, he is testing a lot of markers and sharing a lot of that data. But yeah, I agree. I think like the point is to be able to enjoy your later years without being sick. A hundred percent. Yeah. I think I think that there's a lot of truth to a lot of what he has to say. I think my issue is the the pursuit, like the reason of the pursuit, not necessarily the things that he's saying and the fact that he does a bunch of biomarker testing and is very experimental. I think all of that's great. And I think he has great messages to promote. But I hope that my fear is people will start wanting to just live forever for the sake of living forever. And have that be the primary focus of life where life

becomes this this just pursuit of health optimization where then you've kind of you haven't put your head up and looked around and smelled the flowers. Like you've got to also live within that. And I know I've seen people become so obsessed with health optimization to where it's it's counterintuitive. It's like you're doing this to enjoy life yet you're removing yourself from life to do this. It doesn't makes sense. One of the things, we just had Scott Galloway on the show and one of the things he's been talking about, and again, I think we all know alcohol is not great for us, but one of his big things back to fertility and young men and dating and hormones is there, he says that there's a direct correlation with, you know, I think millennials just got labeled the drunkest generation ever,

but now Gen Z is drinking the least of any generation. And he was saying that this actually might not be good for young men and women because alcohol created opportunities in atmospheres for men to pursue women and for women to pursue men and for us to be social and for us to maybe get a little courage. And so he's saying like actually the wellness community and the anti-alcohol movement might actually be contributing to less human-to-human interactions. I wonder your take on that. Yeah. I mean, I would probably, I would pose a different argument, I suppose. I'd say, how about instead of making a case for alcohol, let's make a case to go to church. And again, just going back to my worldview, and I don't expect everybody to subscribe

to it, and that's totally fine. If the argument is Gen Z drinks the least, therefore has the hardest time finding relationships or finding a significant other, I think that's a sad thing. If the foundation to finding somebody is built upon, like, alcohol, to me, that's a little sad. And maybe that's out of context. I... Well, I think it might be a little sad, but I think what he's also pointing out is it's just when maybe the reality of how we all got liquid courage to get together and interact in the first place. And if we're not doing that anymore... How many drinks did you have before you hit on me? Well, you or others. But whatever. But no, I mean, listen, again, like, our relationship to alcohol has for sure been diminished over the years, essentially

I was learned more and you learn about the effects. But I just, I think it was, I think it's, interesting for him to start talking about that because, as you know, especially someone in the wellness community, there's been, you know, a lot of people are moving away from alcohol. And his thing is, well, we're moving so far away that now people are sitting in their basements and they're not going out and they're hiding behind phones and they're not having the interaction. And like, that's not great either. So it's like this double-edged sword where we know we should be drinking less for our physical health. But now we're not doing the things to put us in the situation to meet people. And again, I've been for a long time and what do I know, but that's just, I thought it was interesting take.

I like a lot of what he has to say. Yeah, I mean, I'd say, I hope that we should be able to remove alcohol completely from the equation and have it minimally impact our social life. But that might not be the reality. Maybe, maybe the reality is alcohol has helped us be more social or maybe more courageous in approaching a woman or approaching a man. But again, like, I see that same sort of courage if you just go to church. If you attend a small group, It's like you can find courage in other places for sure. And I would probably argue that the reason why we're sitting in the basement and not seeing sunlight has nothing to do with alcohol.

I think it has probably a lot more to do with other things that he talks about a lot, which is social media or just how. And porn. I think for young men, porn is one of the worst things you can have in your life. And I say this as somebody who obviously I've seen porn, right? I just grew up with it. But it's so abundant now and it's so easily accessible. Like back in the day, I'm older than you.

You found a dirty magazine. You're like, oh, my God. And it was, that was the extent of it. You still had to go out. Now the stuff that you can see. And I think, you know, when I hear stories from my younger friends, it's like, that is not a good thing knowing you can get instant gratification from a device with things that are so far stretched beyond a typical sexual experience that then is going to warp your view of what

a real experience is with a man or a woman. And again, like, there was something about not having those experiences and having to go out and quote unquote hunt for it. And now just having it at your fingertips not good. Also, guys who don't watch a lot of porn, I feel like last longer. Well, that's the other, I mean, listen, not to go to, we're just getting to know each other. But I think that's also, speaking of instant gratifications, like a lot of men are having issues in the bedroom. They're used to being able to get instant gratification quickly from a device. Hence our other producer, not Carson.

he watches porn three times a day and he has a one minute man problem. Well, you know, it's like... He needs his blood drawn. I might connect you with him. Not him. Taylor. Not Carson. Carson's always like...

The different category. We're going to get everybody's blood drawn. Carson's in Austin and Taylor's in LA. But I think, you know, for young men specifically, it's just, it's not good. It's a true. I mean, you raise a really good point. And it's very true. It's like, who needs friends when I can just...

have friends online. Who needs intimacy with a real human when I can watch porn? That's the problem that young people are having. It's like there's no longer a need because that need is being filled in a very artificial way in a way that doesn't have a long-term gratification. It's instant gratification. And then you have to keep going back to it to actually, you know, keep that gratification are filled. And yeah, it's a problem. It's also, you know, obviously we view it as, you know, as a sin, it's, it's, there's a lot of scientific reason as well as to why porn is not good. I mean, there have been brain scans and you can see the difference between somebody who watches porn and somebody who doesn't watch porn. And there's obviously a clear difference there.

I mean, visually, there's a clear difference there. And, you know, I'm not a brain expert. And so when I'm looking at these scans, it's not like I know, hmm, that's darker. That means this. But what I do know is they look different. So it's having a, it's having a real, cognitive impact on us. And then we look at the societal implications and yeah, there's like no question. If porn was removed or I guess less accessible, I would imagine that people would muster up the courage to go approach a girl. And maybe we wouldn't need alcohol to help us do that. We interviewed a porn star and ever since interviewing her and hearing her story, like changed our opinion on it. How so? It was just, she talked about how fucked up

the industry is. Well, and listen, but then we also had another one at one point that loved it. So I think there's a lot of, you know, if I was like going to get spiritual, there's a lot of darkness in that world. And I'm not saying everybody has that experience. There's many people that are in other sex workers that have great experiences. So like, and we're aware of those stories. But I also think that there's a lot of them that have really bad experiences. Yeah, I've heard. I mean, I can only imagine as well. Yeah. And also like when a young man is watching porn, And that is going to absolutely impact his hormone levels as well, which is going to have long-term negative effects. It's going to carry over into other areas of life.

There's going to be, it probably will result in an overall lack of ambition because your testosterone will be lower. If you're just constantly, you know, watching porn and just for lack of better words, like, jerking it, then you're going to, you're going to deplete your levels. And you're going to basically have this perpetual state of low testosterone, which means you're not going to have a desire to do much. You're not going to want to leave the basement. Yeah. And I think young men specifically speaking as one former, like you need that spark to push you to get you to go out and hunt and do things and pursue a career and pursue a good life and to like, and you need that thing like that little bit of stress and that little bit of thing that's pushing you to go out and make something of your life. I don't like this idea that everybody who should. feel comfortable, especially young man. Like that's just, it's not how life works. You should, you need the thing that's going to push you to go and have that conversation or pursue that career or do that work. Whatever the thing is. And if you're constantly in that stage, you're just not going to have it. And it's going to, I do think though there's a lot of married men

that are sneaking porn behind their wife's back. And it's like they like that dark frequency of it. And they like the hiding of it. And they like it. It's not, it's much more simple than that. It's just instant gratification and a dopamine release real quick. That's just really what it is. Yeah. Yeah. I think there's also a lot of experience stretching. What I've noticed, you kind of mentioned this.

Like, someone will watch porn and it's like two people having missionary sex and then they'll switch to like a different position. And then before you know it, 10 years later, they're watching like, no, craziest porn ever. I had a friend who came to me, he's older than us. And he had a, you know, an adolescent or like a, you know, teenager. And he was really concerned because he was saying like the porn that's delivered to some of these kids these days. and this is for the parents out there, is so far beyond a normal experience that then what happens to these kids is they finally have their first interaction with a man or woman or whatever, and they're expecting it to be like the things they've seen, and it's not that.

And they don't even, they don't really know what even like a normal, realistic, like basic experience is. And that also is causing a lot of problems. I want to switch gears from poor because we could talk about porn. But if someone's thinking about using your platform and getting their blood work, What are the first things that you would tell them to look for or to think about doing when they're just getting started? Like maybe they've thought about blood work. They thought about panels.

They've maybe done one or two, but they've never really done a comprehensive one. What are the things you would tell them? Yeah, I'd say just start by doing it. And for us, it's as simple as just going online and we'll come to your house and we'll draw your blood. And that's great. And there's other companies out there and you can go into a lab or whatever. But just get your blood work done. And you don't have to commit to this monthly or quarterly routine twice.

of years fine. But then less is more. One thing that we certainly do not do is, okay, we've got your blood work back. Now you have to do these two dozen things to basically live optimized. That doesn't work. It might work on paper, but it doesn't work in practice. I mean, people will burn out if you give them a task list that they have to follow of, you know, a dozen different things every day. It just doesn't work. So less is more. Start with less and that's our approach. And then from there, start implementing more. So supplementation, right, is one of the more foundational things, after nutrition and fitness supplementation.

And you can do supplementation in a lot of different ways. You can go to Amazon and just buy yourself on Amazon. The way we do it is we actually package into AM&P impacts everything that you need based off of your blood work. It's super convenient, right? So instead of me having to lug around six different bottles and, you know, a lot of these supplements have to be taken with food. if I'm out at dinner, I don't want to bring my bottles with me or a plastic bag of my supplements.

It's just, it's time consuming. It's a nuisance. It's one of those friction points that ultimately leads people to stop taking their supplements eventually. And so we package them into AM and PM supplements. So you guys actually make personalized supplements based on the panels that you see from the individual. Exactly. Yeah, totally unique. I didn't know you did that. As far as I know, we're one of the only ones, if not the only one that's doing that, the way that we're doing it totally based off of your blood work, no cookie cutter protocols. It's, you know, my pack is not going to look anything like Eli's pack out there because our blood work looks different. And we have different needs, different deficiencies, different lifestyles. So if you were deficient in D or B or whatever,

or A, that supplement would be for that deficiency. And if you obviously were overdoing it, you would not include it at all. Correct. Yeah. And dose properly properly as well. Are your supplements like the best of the best? Yeah. So they're pharmaceutical grade. Like, we primarily use a company called Zimogen, which has been like the gold standard in supplementation. Oh, cool. They sold primarily to practitioners, actually exclusively to practitioners up until about last year. So it's, you know, a pharmaceutical grade supplement. I, before Jevity, I was taking my own supplement stacks.

I've been a longtime biohacker. I played basketball in high school and I was pretty good. I was going to go play in college until my first startup. So I've been like in health for a while. I was taking a lot of the same things that I'm taking in my pack and I kind of got lucky with the crossover. But I, there's a noticeable difference in the supplements I'm taking today and how I feel after I take them versus a lot of the same supplements I was taking from a different source, actually

just buying them off of Amazon because that was like the next most convenient way of doing it. And so the supplement, not all supplements are the same. Just because both the label, say magnesium L3 and 8 does not mean. that there's 100% magnesiumal therionate in there. It could be underdose. It could be something totally different, who knows what. And there's a lack of regulation when it comes to supplementation. Again, that's sort of anathetical to my view. I'm very pro-capitalism. I'm very like, I'm very anti-regulation in a lot of areas. But this is one of the areas where we need regulation, because what will end up happening is you'll go to Amazon, you'll order magnesium, and you'll actually

get salt capsules. Yeah. And the other thing with Amazon is sometimes unless you go to the company specific store, it's people that are ripping off that brand and not even selling the real thing. How can you test for toxins in your blood? Like microplastics and lead and metal, how do you get those results? Yeah. So we actually have another test at Jevity that after the blood work, we would recommend if you're having symptoms of toxicity, mold toxicity. You can't just get it all wrapped in one? Different types of tests, different modality. For example, testing your your gut health requires a stool sample. You can't test your microbiome with blood.

And so, yeah, a lot of people do have symptoms of mold toxicity, specifically mold. A lot of people have mold toxicity. And that was another shocker as well. We hear about it all the time, but then it's sort of in one year out the other. We all are exposed to mold and it's not good for us. I don't know how to test it. I don't know where to go. Then it's out of mind.

So we have one of those tests and it's it's one that, not everybody has symptoms. Also, like, depending on their environment, they might have a higher chance of actually having mold exposure as well. If you're in a drier area in Arizona, for example, probably a less probability of having mold toxicity. Here could be a high one. Yeah, definitely.

The Native Americans used to call this place the land of the sick because of the mold issues. What is the protocol for when someone comes back with positive for mold? Oh, goodness. Well, we would have to ask one of our longevity specialists. To be honest with you, I'm not sure the exact protocol that we would put somebody on as it relates to mold because it wouldn't just be a protocol specific to the mold. It would be taking into account everything else as well. It would be taking into account their blood biomarkers, their medical history. It would be taking into account.

We also will have you link your wearables. I don't know if you guys wear a wearable wearing an aura ring on my wedding ring finger. we take that stuff into account too, which is very rare in our industry, but becoming more common where basically all of this stuff is relevant. It's not irrelevant. Your lifestyle actually matters dramatically when it comes to building a protocol. Your blood work is foundational, right? It provides most of the context. But we also want to know what your lifestyle is. And you can tell us that, but it's more helpful if we just can see it based off of like your wearable. We can see, okay, great, like you, you burn on average X amount of calories every day,

or you sleep really well, or you don't sleep at all. And maybe you forgot to write that down in your, in your, you know, intake form. And so no one protocol would be the same. So with mold toxicity, it would just be like every other protocol where it would be totally dependent on that specific person. I do know, though, that mold is a tough one. And mold has a, it's not just like an easy thing, you take a supplement and you get rid of. It's also a timely one. You have to do like binders, I think. What about privacy issues? We were talking to the team and obviously like some of these, I'm not going to name the brands, everyone knows, but some of these genetic testing companies that got bought or sold. People are now like there's data leaks and people are worried and concerned.

How do you guys think about privacy? And then the follow-up question is, should we even be concerned if companies have this information about us? And if so, why? Yeah, I think, I think there's a reason to be concerned depending on the company and depending on how they view like health data and privacy. However, also it would be, it'd be a little ignorant to think that like the powers that be, whoever that might be, whatever conspiracy theory people want to subscribe to, they don't already have the data, right? I mean, if you're going to even your primary care physician, it's lab core request that's running the lab.

So somebody has that data no matter what. And the insurance companies for sure have it. Insurance companies have it. Yeah. So for us, we make it very clear. You own your data. It's not ours. We promise to never sell it.

That's like shockingly not an industry standard. People will sell their data. And if you ask us to delete it, just wipe it from the system. We're going to wipe it from the system. So it's one thing to say it. You have to also like have a level of transparency. And there's not enough of that in the industry. It's okay, I've got to take your word for it that you've deleted it, but I don't have a way of going in and ensuring that you did.

And so that's another problem that we're actually trying to solve. And that's a great question. It's actually one that I really enjoy talking about because there's a lot of distrust these days, right? Like on generally, people on the wellness side, right, are so anti-Big Pharma or so anti-traditional medicine are like basically they're the enemy. They're the reason for everything wrong in the world. And then, you know, that more traditional side looks over here and is like, oh my goodness, like they just want to hug trees and drink tree sap and, you know, talk to the sun. And it's like, yeah, neither of those things are true. The truth is always in the nuance. But to solve that issue of trust, there needs to be like an open source sort of way for all of us to actually be able to go in and not trust but verify. And we're working on something and it's too early to like really talk too much about it. But. this open source sort of health platform where you can actually go in and verify. Totally anonymous, like none of your information would be exposed for other people to go in and see,

but you'd be able to see if, in fact, like, your information lives there. And if we say it's scrubbed, is it actually scrubbed? So, yeah, it's something that we take very seriously. And then luckily, my background's technology. My background is not medicine. I was an enthusiast. My father passed away. I had a startup before.

I exited my startup. I wasn't rushed into the next thing. I found a Jevity after he passed away. And so we are a software company, an AI company. And we have brilliant minds from Lockheed Martin, Amazon, meta, like a bunch of amazing engineers. And privacy is data and privacy are like two things that are talked about frequently throughout the day,

every single day. No, I think, I mean, listen, there's a, there's a lot of, the problem, what do they say online? They're like, the problem is that a lot of times the conspiracy theorists are proved right. And so it reinforces. But then there's the, you know, like, there's a neurotic way of thinking where you think the world's just out to get you constantly. And I think that's harmful as well, right? There's like, there's a middle ground.

And more importantly, I think the tradeoff that we're talking about here is if you share this information, but then you're able to change your life and enhance your life and live long and healthier and figure out things like maybe that's a worth a tradeoff, right? I think sometimes people like, oh, can't have, and nobody's going to get my data. And then, you know, you get sick and die. And it's like, well, it didn't matter if they had it to begin with. That's what we're trying to, you know, advocate for. So like we want as much as you're willing to give us because we know that we can actually

our artificial intelligence will become more intelligent if we have more data. And if we have more data over a prolonged period of time. Now, we recognize not everybody's going to be comfortable with that. Right. So, you know, that's fine. Let's get your blood work done. If you don't want to link your wearable, if you don't want to do genetic test or you don't want to do any of this stuff, okay, that's your prerogative. But our use case and how we're using that data, our desire to gather it isn't to go sell it to a big pharmaceutical company or concoct a way to basically reverse engineer it to do harm.

It is literally to extend your life and make your protocol like perfect. We already are very, very close technologically to basically reaching escape velocity, longevity, escape velocity. Not in the sense where we're going to gain 10 years of life per decade. If we date back from 1900 to 2010, our average life expectancy in 1900 is 31. We were 31 years old and then we died on average. You fast forward to 2010 and that's closer to 78. So a lot of gain over, you know, the course of 11 decades.

So it was 1900 to 2010. That's 11 decades, right? Yeah. By 1900 to 2010. Oh, yeah, 11 decades. Yeah. So that's a sizable gain, of course. That's awesome.

But 2010 until now, there's been no gain. That's absurd because we've had tremendous gain in technological innovation. I mean, large language models, these, these incredible. incredible machine learning models exist today where I can actually have a natural conversation a full-blown conversation with an AI and get really high-quality responses. Yet our life expectancy hasn't increased. We are very close to reaching that escape velocity. You need a catalyst.

You need basically something, a sizable catalyst, an event or a new discovery to actually get you back on that growth curve. Make the chart look good again. It looks like this and then it goes flat. We want it to look like this more. And we don't think that that catalyst is a drug. We think that catalyst begins with a paradigm shift. Preventative before reactive, proactive before reactive, paired with artificial intelligence.

So one thing that we believe, and we have data to support this as well, if you sign up for Jevity and you're with us for two years, that's two years of blood work data that we were able to get and train on and learn from and learn more about your physiology. And even better if you've linked your wearables and now we know, okay, you sleep really poor during, you know, these hours. And hopefully by that point, we have optimized that. But we understand you really well. We think that we will have the most predictive mortality calculators in the world with 95 to 98% certainty or accuracy in predicting mortality five years out. Closer to like 90 to 95% percent. percent with 10 years out where we, we will be able to tell you you have X percent of dying from

something natural, not a car crash. We can't account for that. If you keep living this same way that you're living. Right. So it's like if you were able to maybe change, like change some of those things that could potentially change that outlook. Yeah. And that's like, that's literally what our goal is. Like how do we get you to have that figure be as near zero as possible, five years out and then 10 years out. And then you play that out for somebody who's been with us longer than two years. Let's say, you know, fast forward 10 years and they've been with us for, you know, 10 years. The same thing rings true. We know, okay, well, five years out, you have 0.5% chance of dying from something natural. 10 years out, a 0.5% chance of dying from something natural.

So long that you're with Jevity, our models, our team, our physicians, our nutritionists, everything that you have access to at Jevity will keep you in a little. an optimal state to keep your risk of mortality as low as physically possible. And we've never been in a, we've never had the ability to do that because technology never allowed us to do that. And we're one of the first. We won't be the last. Like other other companies are working on something similar. It's the nice thing about us is I think of course to of course express my bias. Our team at Jevity, There's, there's like, it, it is the purest form of altruism that I've seen in business. And,

you know, I've, I've been a startup founder. I've done the thing. I've engaged with a lot of very successful business people. And I have never experienced anything like this where every single person, longevity, just has the utmost desire to optimize that person's health. It's not for earning a commission on supplements. We don't do that. It's not for financial gain. It is, How do we basically minimize your risk of mortality as much as humanly possible? AI makes us so much easier. Without AI, we're kind of in a lot of ways in very specific areas flying blind. You might have convinced me.

Maybe. Maybe. If you want to do it, someone will come to the house. Yeah. Or here. A butterfly needle. Yes. I have to lay down.

So a lot of our, no, you don't have to lay down. No, I have to. I'll faint. Oh, you have to lay down? Yeah. I don't think you understand, like, I am a drama queen around this. Like, I have to lay down. There's probably some work that you've got to do to figure out.

I need to do ayahuasca. Oh, Jesus. Let me know how that goes. We're going to church. Let's try church. I will try it. I don't know that I can commit to twice the year, but let's start with one. We'll start with one.

And then let's see what your blood work says. Okay. And then maybe the results will be interesting enough to come back for round two. Yeah. Maybe we can go through it. No, but Lauren, you do this in every other, you optimize like every other area of your life. This would give you the ability to do this with your physical health. Awesome. Yeah. I'll do it. I'll do it. Well, if you do it, you're not going to touch me for two weeks because I won't

touch him for two weeks if he does that. You can tell her. You can't know. I can see the Band-Aid. I see the thing. I make him sleep in another room. Okay, but if that's how it works. If someone wants to try it, they could sign up. Gogevity.com. G-O-G-E-V-I-T-I. It's spelt like longevity, but with a really cool eye at the end of it. And we'll link all that out. And so somebody can expect to get comprehensive panels if they want to take it a step further, you do have the gut tests, you do have the metals test, you have all the other things. Heavy metals, mold toxicity. We can, this is important. People don't methylate. They don't process like certain vitamins and minerals like they should. And we have a methylation test to look

at that. So smart. That's super important. We've done it for ourselves. We obviously. We did it for our kids. We've had Gary Breck on the show multiple times. I think they got that done with swap. No, but that's, it's important for people to know about that methylation because you could be, if you have that issue. We've had people who were on SSRIs or Adderall who are having like these, basically these psychiatric side effects or whatever you want to call them. And we found they just don't, they don't methylate.

So as soon as we got them on a methylated B vitamin, which I know Gary Breckha talks a lot about, well, it turns out that was that was enough to actually prevent them from having to get on a SSRI on the first place. And getting off of that, which we do a lot of and help a lot of people, you know, wean off of those drugs. It's not, it's not as simple as just stopping. Yeah, but this is why, like, rounding to this basically entire conversation, if you get this information, you could start doing the right things and make chains immediately. Well, right now you may think you're doing the right things, but you could be doing the

completely wrong things. Yeah. And thinking and also spending all that money on things you may not need or maybe shouldn't be taking or maybe you need to spend more on some. So anyways, I like stuff like this because, again, we talk so much about optimization entrepreneurs, but I think you're flying blind in a lot of ways without doing something like this. So I get it.

Okay. I got to breathe. I got to maybe do ayahuasca before I do it, but I'm going to try it. Just look away. You won't even feel like going in. They'll be in and out. You won't even know. You've given birth three times.

Some of our phlebotomists work on kids and elderly, which are two, you know, patient populations that are hard. Their heart poax is what we call them. And so, you know, if, if they can get a lot of them, you know, if they can get elderly people or children in one single poke, trust me. Like, there will be no issues. You won't even feel it. How long is it? Oh, they'll be in and out of your office or house in five minutes. I'm like, I go out like a-stop, Michael, that grosses me out. Like an oil well. I swear to God, that actually turns me off, so don't say that. Just sprays out. Thank you for coming on the show. That was

very informative, and I'll let you know what my blood test says. Awesome. Yeah, thanks for having me. Thank you.