The Bossticks - Tim Tebow & Demi Tebow On Finding Your True Purpose, Faith, & Everlasting Resilience

Episode Date: January 1, 2026

#923: Join us as we sit down with Tim & Demi Tebow – speakers, best-selling authors, &  impact-driven  entrepreneurs dedicated to global change. Tim is a former NFL quarterback, two-time NCAA champion, Heisman Trophy winner, College Football Hall of Famer, founder of the Tim Tebow Foundation, & college football analyst for ESPN & SEC Network. Demi is Miss Universe 2017 & founder of the #Unbreakable Campaign, empowering women worldwide. United by faith in God & a shared commitment to purpose-driven living, the Tebow's open up about their journeys from sports & pageantry to philanthropy & advocacy. In this episode, they dive into their upbringings, their fight against human trafficking, & how faith, resilience, & a shared purpose led them to each other & their mission.   To Watch the Show click HERE   For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM   To connect with Tim Tebow click HERE   To connect with Demi Tebow click HERE   To connect with Lauryn Bosstick click HERE   To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE   Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE   Head to our ShopMy page HERE and LTK page HERE to find all of the products mentioned in each episode.   Get your burning questions featured on the show! Leave the Him & Her Show a voicemail at [phone].   This episode is sponsored by The Skinny Confidential Your skincare routine, reimagined. Shop The Skinny Confidential Face Towels today at https://shopskinnyconfidential.com/products/face-towels.   This episode is sponsored by Primal Kitchen Find Primal Kitchen in Walmart stores or online at http://Walmart.com and http://PrimalKitchen.com.   This episode is sponsored by Superpower  Go to http://Superpower.com to learn more and lock in the special $199 price while it lasts. Live up to your 100-Year potential.   This episode is sponsored by Geviti  Go to http://gogeviti.com/skinny and use code SKINNY at checkout for 20% off.   Produced by Dear Media

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Happy New Year, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of the Skinny Confidential, him and her show. today we have a power duo on the podcast, Tim and Demi Tebow. Both are speakers, authors, and entrepreneurs committed to global impact. Tim, a former NFL quarterback, two-time NCAA champion, Heisman trophy winner, and college football hall of famer is also now a college football analyst and the author of five New York Times bestsellers. Demi is a former Miss Universe of 2017. She's a best-selling author and founder of the Unbreakable Campaign, empowering women worldwide. Together they co-founded the Tebow Group, investing in mission-driven companies, and live in Jackson

inville, Florida, with their daughter and three dogs. Today on this episode, we're talking all about redefining success and purpose, building a legacy rooted in faith, and purpose-driven missions. This is a great episode to kick off the new year. We really enjoyed sitting down with these two. With that, Tim and Demi, welcome with the Skinny Confidential, him and her show. This is the skinny confidential, him and her. Tim and Demi, welcome to the show.

I would first, the audience already knows you guys, but I would love to get context. And Demi, I'll start with you. Yeah. You grew up in South Africa. I did. What was that like? So fun. Honestly, I'm so grateful and so blessed for the upbringing that I had. I grew up in a very, very small, teeny tiny, like farm town where we literally bought, like, our weekly groceries at the, like, weekly farmers market. You know, like, I went to school with, like, the farmers' kids, and everything was, like,

farm to table and just very laid back. I think one of the greatest adjustments living in the U.S. is just how extremely fast-paced everything is all the time. For instance, in South Africa, the whole month of December, the whole country pretty much shuts down. And you're just like on Christmas. Yeah, go on holiday. Yeah, go on holiday. And you're like spending Christmas and New Year's. And like, don't try and get anything done from like the 15th of December to the 15th of January.

So maybe something I miss a lot. And I miss our humor a lot culturally. Like, I think South Africans are the funniest people on the planet. and we find a way to make fun of everything. So, yeah, so great. And I've been here eight years now. November is eight years. So what is it like when you're coming from a small town and then you shoot to fame at 22 years old?

Well, I actually, I moved to New York City. And the first two places she goes in America is Vegas and New York. Yes. That's an extreme. Cortisol. So I moved to New York City at that age. And I don't necessarily think I felt. like it was fame. It was in South Africa, winning Miss South Africa Priority Miss Universe was really

like an ambassadorship role. I got to work so much with like, you know, speak at like government meetings on behalf of women. I got to do so many things that were, it wasn't like a pageant. It didn't feel like a pageant. It felt more like a job. And that's kind of how I viewed it. I viewed it as a responsibility. It felt like a role that I was in. It wasn't and just it didn't feel like. like fame, although you, I remember the night I won Miss Universe, I couldn't get my phone on because I've, nobody told me like, hey, in case you win, turn your notifications off. So I gained like a million followers in like a couple of hours. And just my phone was like plugged to the, you know, plugged in and like I just couldn't get it on because all the

notifications just kept like popping up. So it was a quick adjustment. How did you know how to prep for Miss Universe? I mean, what does it look like way before then, the preparation for that? It was a lot. It was something I took very seriously. For instance, I stopped speaking my first language, which is Afrikaans. Sounds like Dutch and German. Some sometimes make fun of me for it. But it's like when we just started dating as around her family, like I'm like, Demi, is everything okay? Because she's like, no, we're just talking about what we want for breakfast. But it sounds like there are. It's so intense. Like the hard. It's like a harsh thing. It's like, think. And I'm like, is everything okay? Like this is a lot. I gave up speaking my first language for three months in order to speak better English and to be able to communicate. But not just speak it, but write it, text, it, email it, everything. Like, she's a boss and so determined that, like, I'm not, like, for me, I couldn't even imagine not speaking, texting, writing English. Like, that would be so much.

She underplays it, but is a baller. Some of my family was like, okay, well, we'll see you in three months. Good luck. One of our limitations as Americans is our. language perspective. Like we we do not adapt other languages very easily in this country. Most other places around the world, they learn English as their second language. We sometimes people do Spanish or French or something, but it's like kind of an afterthought. When so many places around the world, they can speak two, three languages and they can do it really well.

South Africa actually have 11 official languages and sign language would be like considered maybe the 12, but 11 official languages. So you're just exposed to so many like varieties, accents. Well, imagine in a way that's helpful because if we go to France or Italy, you know, you start to like listen to the dialect and you pick it up a little more, but mostly, you know, in this country, you only hear English. So I think it's harder for us. But if you're growing up in a country with that many languages and you're exposed, I imagine in some ways it's easier than to pick up something else. Yeah, I think I've heard that. I think if you've, if you pick up a, you know, a language before the age of six, there's a lot of statistics on that. I think it also lessens your, like if you pick up your second language, it lessens the ability to have like an accent or, you know, something to that extent. But I can imagine it's easier. So to prep for Miss Universe, one of the things was you had to learn English. What were the other things that you had to do to prepare? Because I can imagine that both of you have had to really. prepare for these moments. What was that like? Yeah, speaking English wasn't a requirement, but it was something that I wanted to do because I knew I'd be able to communicate a message to more people than in Afrikaans because not a lot of people speak Afrikaans around the world. Something else I did, I mean, physically you train emotionally. You know, you kind of have to be

ready to speak on so many different topics at any point. That was fun to be able to prepare for. But also she probably wouldn't bring us up, but when she was Miss South Africa, one of the things that she had to do was emotionally heal a little bit from a carjacking from five armed men at gunpoint that happened when she was Miss South Africa while she was preparing for Miss Universe. That's right. That happened just a few months, well, yeah, a month or two before I left four to come and compete at Miss Universe. And I mean, it was it was very traumatizing. I stopped at the way traffic light, hot plus five in the afternoon. daylight peak hour of traffic and the next moment I was surrounded by multiple multiple armed men and in that moment I knew like get away your things are

replaceable but your life isn't and the moment I tried running away one of the men grabbed me by my by the arm and tried to push me back in the vehicle and said getting you're going with us and my dad had always been so protective and sent me on safety driving courses and self-defense workshops and I remembered in that moment I remember don't go to the second destination because whatever is going to get better, whatever's going to happen right here, peak hour traffic hop us 5 in the afternoon with hundreds of people around you, is probably not going to get better somewhere downtown within other of their friends. And the second thing I remembered was the throat.

Punch it. It's lethal. It's accessible. You know, you can cause a lot of damage. Obviously, don't do that as a joke. It's funny to be used in a life-threatening situation. And it brought me a split second of like a very tiny window of opportunity to be able to get away from that situation. But I was very traumatizing. I remember not wanting to get back in my vehicle for like a month afterwards, like just not wanting to drive. And I remember once I started driving again, I would get up at like four in the morning to like go to the gym to drive wherever I needed to be. I just wait in the parking lot so that I didn't have to drive in traffic. And I realized, gosh, I can't keep living this way. I have to really work on healing. And one of the therapies that I

ended up doing with EMDR therapy. And I highly advocate for that especially in dramatic situations. That was something that was very, very helpful. Is that where you follow the, no? It's like a, I think different therapists, you've used different techniques. I don't want to screw up the definition, but the therapy that was used, or the technique that was used to me was like a tapping. Tapping, and I do believe that they follow the movement of your eyes. Okay. When you had that split second, did you punch him in the throat? I did.

I did. And you got away? I did. I grabbed the steering wheel. I punched him in the throat. And it just startled him enough for me to just get out and run. And, you know, Lauren, the most traumatic part of that situation wasn't, wasn't being pushed back into the car, wasn't being surrounded by multiple armed men. It was running up that avenue, hop-past five in the afternoon.

And no one would stop to help me. Nobody would stop. Like, not one single person. and people had their windows open. It was bumper to bumper traffic. You know, people could hear what I was saying, and nobody would stop. And honestly, the point that had such a massive impact in my life was eventually once I reached the intersection, you know, far down the road, a young girl, she was 19 years old. She was the only person.

She swirped over. She stopped and she let me into her car. Actually, before I was able to get into her car, she, like, leaned over and, like, had to unlock the little car knob because there was such an old, beat up little car. And that moment impacted me so much because I realized she actually saved me from not, how can I say this? From not wanting to look the other way for the rest of my life because she was 19 years old. And all she had was a beat up old little car to show up for somebody in desperate need. And I'm thankful that in that moment she didn't choose her own comfort, you know, over. Or it could have been safety.

Yes. So interviewing two people at once is always an art because you guys both have tremendous stories, right? Like you have your own accomplishments, you have your own accomplishments we're going to get into. And then obviously you've come together. But for you, Tim, I'm aware of you as a man because I played football and I was a kid and followed your career. I think we were staring at my skirt. I was looking at the cheerleader. She was a cheerleader.

And you were born in 87, right? Same age. So same year. So for you, for contact. for this audience and I'm going to loop it all back together. When did you become interested in that game? And was that always your path? Or was it something you kind of fell into over time?

Like, how did you decide to get into that game at a high level? Yeah, that's a good question. I was born into a missionary family, the baby of five. And my whole family was just competitive. I was born in the Philippines. And we lived there the first five years of my life. And we moved back to Jacksonville. and I was just super competitive.

My parents were like, we got to sign him up for sports so he can be active. And they signed me up for T-ball. And I thought it was like a mixture of the World Series, the national championship, like all into one. And I just took it so serious. And sisters did? They all played. And everyone was competitive. But I was just naturally probably a little bit more competitive, although my whole family is competitive.

Oh, yeah. See them at like Christmas board games. Sometimes we just shouldn't. play because it becomes too much. And so I fell in love with baseball and then I got to play basketball, I fell in love with it. And so I loved it so much. And I was very passionate about it. And it was something that, yeah, I had a dream from a really early age. And I wanted to see what I could become in it. But I also think one of the things that was so special for me was how much my parents believed in me and my siblings and spoke life into us. Every night that I can remember when my parents

would put us to bed, they would echo truths. They would share God's word of our value, how much they loved us, how much they cared about us, and to go chase our dreams. But then they would also echo things that were more important. And I still remember that my dad would always say to me, hey, you know what? He was a Packers fan. And so he's a Brett Farr fan. And he would say, you know what, Brett Farr can win a whole lot of games. And if one day, if you're ever blessed with that platform, will you do more than just win a game?

You know? And so it was a lot that I was processing at a young age. And then I got to go and play in high school, college, and then NFL, and then play some pro baseball. And then back to NFL. But there are a lot of highs and lows throughout all. of it. And I think one of the things for me that I made a mistake on a lot of times is that I screwed up understanding the difference between my platform and my purpose. Okay. Explain. So many times I think we view our platform as equal to our purpose or that they're the same.

When, me and Demi have talked about this so many times that just because you have a platform doesn't mean it's your ultimate purpose. And you might have a platform, but you can use it for what your ultimate purpose is. And one of the biggest life-changing moments for me and my life when I was 15 years old and I was insanely competitive and I was working so hard to try to go play at that time either college football or baseball. And I went on a mission trip to the Philippines and I met a boy in the jungles of the Philippines who was born with his feet on backwards.

And because of that, they treated him as less than insignificant. as cursed as a throwaway, as equal to the trash. And I fell in love with that boy, and I knew he wasn't a throwaway. But I also knew that God was breaking my heart saying, yeah, but what are you going to do about it? And in a sense, what I was really chasing was trying to be my best in a game of chasing MVPs of most valuable player. But I knew that God was breaking my heart saying, I have a more important MVP for you to chase. And it's the most vulnerable people, but which one is going to matter more to you? It's not that trying to be or best is wrong. I don't believe that at all.

I think it's a really good thing. But if you would put all of that effort into a game, how much would you put into caring for people that are suffering? So that's always been a challenge for me. How do you manage that? How did, like, I feel like that's grappling. Like, as you're going through it and realizing all this, how did you, how did you manage to sort of come out of it and realize you needed to focus on your purpose? Well, I had to be reminded many times and be humbled many times, I think, along the way. But one of the first things that I did when I graduated from the University of Florida was start the foundation, the Timdeo Foundation, with the mission statement of to bring faith, open love to those needing a brighter day in their darkest hour of need, to really sum up to fight for people that can't fight for themselves.

And all I did was think about that boy in the Philippines and all the boys and girls around the world like him that are treated as less sin, because I don't believe that anybody is. And so then it started with caring for orphans and hospitals and special needs. and then that led us into the fight against trafficking and exploitation and all sorts of different things along the way. But I think the one thing that is easy to miss is you might be doing some of these things supporting the MVPs, but you still will fall into the trap of putting your identity into a game, like as this is what defines you. And I think that's where I've made the mistake often. It's not that the game's wrong or not that we shouldn't pursue it or try to be our best, but it's not putting your identity and letting that define you.

And then ultimately it's trying to take the success of a game and turn it into the significance of caring for other people because I believe success is about you, but significance is about other people. What does it feel like to get to the point where you are then, you were actually realizing your dream and going to the NFL after putting so much time and then at the same time trying to manage the attention that that brings?

because Lauren is new to football, but when you busted onto that scene, like, there was a lot of attention on you. There was a whole, like, movements done and, you know, like, you had a lot of me. Well, listen, you know, but the Tebow, basically. What's the movement? There was a, do the movement. What's the movement? It was just getting on a knee and praying, and they called it Tebow. But it was a cultural moment.

Got it. I thought there was like a dance or something. I was like, can you show me the dance? A lot of people go to the NFL. No, be doing that. When you did at that time, you exploded onto the scene. And I imagine as a young person, that's a lot to manage instantly. And I don't think I necessarily did it well all the time.

He's just trying to figure out how do you handle this? What's the right way? What's the best way? I mean, honestly, sometimes you were like just wanted to go play and didn't want sometimes the attention. Just wanted it to be about the game to go play ball. But then you also realize along the way that, you know, that can be used for good. Sometimes it can be used for bad. It's just, you know, it's like social media.

It can be used for good. It can be used for bad. It's like, you know, so much of life. And so it's just trying to figure out how to manage you. But you're right. No one really teaches you how to handle all of that. When you're 20, 21, 22 years old, you're just trying to figure out, I'm just trying to make the team and play and pursue the game that I love.

And then there's, you know, all sorts of questions. and stuff that's being asked of you and you're trying to figure it out and navigate it. And it's hard. And that's where I also really believe wholeheartedly that it's so important to surround ourselves with wise counsel, to have people that love you and are going to speak life into you and give you good wisdom, some that have been there before, but some that are just older that have experienced life and can really speak into you. And it's one of our core values is to value and seek wise counsel.

because when you're in some of the situations, you don't know how to handle everything, but having people that really speak into you, I think that helped navigate some of the pitfalls. And some of them we still stepped in, but some of them just having really awesome, wise individuals and wise couples help us has been really special. You guys seem like you're on the same frequency as a couple. What drew each other? How did you guys come together? Oh, it's one of my favorite stories.

I had a little sister that was born with severe special needs, and we were about 10 years apart. And the foundation has an initiative called Night to Shrine, and it's a worldwide celebration for people just like my little sister. And the year I moved to New York and I won this universe. Nighter Shine was hosted in South Africa as well. It's currently in 63 countries and over 800 locations around the world. And so South Africa is one of those locations.

And so to make a long story short, Tim reached out through the foundation to invite my little sister to attend night to shine back in South African. Unfortunately, her health condition was just too unstable at that time. She couldn't physically attend. But as a family, we were so secluded for such a long time. My parents just didn't have a community of people around them, didn't have the resources, the organizations that, you know,

they were just searching for that help. And here comes this American guy that loves people just like my little sister and puts up an event that makes people like her feel seen and loved and valued. and let them know that, listen, you are so valuable to us, but at the end of the night when you get crowned, the king or the queen of the prom, that's because the god of this universe sees you as royalty. And Tim can speak more to that. But I just, I needed to know more.

And Lauren, I'm also new to football. I've been eight years new to football. She has no idea. I was just trying to teach her what downs meant the other day. Go gators. As you were talking, every woman was hitting her husband or boyfriend. I don't know how you follow that. That's setting the bar very high to come in.

It's like, here comes this guy. He's helping everyone. Pro football. You know? Yeah, but I think that's sweet that she fell in love with you first for the way that you help people. You know what? She didn't even, she didn't know how to say my name. No, I literally thought I like, knew him as a Night to Shine guy for the first six months of us knowing each other.

And I mean, I didn't want to change it. I just, I thought his last name was Tobo. She called Tom. I like near Miss Tim Tobo, the Night to Shine guy for the longest time. This is a true story. And do you guys both immediately have a connection or is it something that developed over time? No, so we went back and forth about Night to Shine and then email. I told Tim To Bo to email me.

Yeah, so we went back and forth on email and then we set up a call to just talk about Night to Shine and the efforts of it. How can we get this all over South Africa, you know? And so it's supposed to be a five, ten minute call. I think that's what it was set up as. And it went for two hours, 24 minutes and six seconds. How do you know the exact time that you talked to me for the first time? Well, if you knew me, you would know I do not talk on the phone for a long time. And so when we finished, we're like, are you?

How in the world? Did we just talk on the phone this long? That's also one reason why it made a mark because we both looked back and we're like, what? How did it? Like it felt like it was 30 minutes. And you were so sweet. The next time we spoke, I was like, Do you know how long our friend goal was?

And he, like, he, he knew too. Like, he also went and looked how long our friend was. So when you guys met in person was the chemistry as strong as it was on the phone? We actually knew we were going to get married before we ever met in person. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. I know that's so crazy. And I feel like if my daughter ever tells me that. I don't think it's crazy.

I don't think it's crazy at all. I think they, like I said, you guys are on the same frequency. I understand that. But I want to understand more about it. So before you even saw each other, or was this a Skype? No, we had seen each other, but we hadn't met in person. Thought it. Okay.

So you knew you were going to get married. We didn't see each other in person. Yes. We've never seen each other in person. Did you talk about it or did you just know? She literally the day before we were going to meet, she's like, you know, something has to go terribly wrong for this not to work out. I got, I'm like, I remember asking him, are you nervous, like, to meet? And I mean, I was like, obviously a little nervous because I think he just.

just shows you care, right? But I remember telling it, I was like, you know, I just feel like something's going to have to go really wrong for this not to work out. And so what was it like when you first met each other in person was spark playing? Yeah, it was awesome. It was, it was super special. But I would say that it also didn't change from our conversations that we had beforehand. Like the conversations and people, people, definitely didn't talk any football or American sports. No, or baseball that I was playing at the time. Like, but I didn't want to. That's, it's, one of the, one of my favorite quotes is don't give up what you want most for what you want now. And what, what most is not someone that could be like, hey, tonight I went one for three with a walk.

Like, who cares, right? Like, you want to talk about the more important things, the things that make your, your heart tick, the things that you feel you're called to, you think your bigger purposes in life. And, and that's what we got to talk about on the phone. When we first met, we truly had so little in common. Like we didn't speak the same for a language. Even some of our family members were nervous. Like y'all don't have that much in common. Yeah.

Like my dad's like, you know nothing about football. And so we didn't, we just didn't have a ton in common, to be honest with you. And I think that's actually something that we've had to work on a little bit. But Lauren, like what was so special is I think we had so much in purpose. And I think the love I had for people that was born with severe special needs or disabilities through my sister. That was something that was like, My heart was broken for. Yes.

And the fight against trafficking. Yeah. With her story and not being a catalyst to opening my eyes for the fight against human trafficking. And Tim had already been involved in that fight for years prior to that. And so there were connecting points in the sense of such a deep purpose that we shared that I think really drew us to each other. A lot of people won't talk about human trafficking. In fact, a lot of celebrities won't talk about it. to talk about that, that's pretty incredible. Was that a decision that was made consciously? Yes. It's

something that we had been in the fight in for many, many years, but especially since about 19, we wanted to really amplify our voice because are there wins in the fight? Yes. Every time a girl is brought to safety and there's healing that takes place, that's a win. But in the grand scheme, no, we're not winning. We were losing. And there are, many people that would believe that there's more trafficking taking place around the world than ever before in history. Right now, as we speak, there are 50 plus million people that are being trafficked, and they think, well, it's just over there, right? It's across the world, it's not happening here. And that's also just not the case. It is happening right here. It is happening in our backyard,

is happening across the country. America is the number one buyer of live stream rape of boys and girls and peer to peer trading CSAM, child sexual abuse material, were third worst in the world. It goes China, Russia, America, and then Italy is fourth. Every single day, 300,000 new sex ads will go up and thousands of them are minors. And if I was to read some of the quotes of buyers, it would show you how little they think of humanity and how little they think of these girls. And that's honestly a big piece of what broke my heart for look again, was that we have to look again at the worth and the value of ourselves and other people. Because right now we face in so many areas around the world, but also right here,

the devaluing, the dehumanizing, the treating people is less than as just an object, rather than treating them with real dignity, worth, respect, and honor. As someone who's close to this issue and working to, you know, provide resources and help people and get people out of that. Why do you think people in this country have such a hard time discussing this? Like, why is this not on more mainstream platforms? Well, we're working on that very, very hard. I think it's overwhelming. I think people think, how can we make a difference? I think that there's a lot of people that will say, I don't want to hear, I don't want to hear. I'll give you one example. I was playing in a foundation golf tournament

in a state where I was, the three other people in my group were three of the most powerful, wealthy people in that state. And I got a call from our VP of anti-human trafficking, and I had to take it. Twelve girls, something terrible just happened to them in a location. And so I said, hey, sorry, guys, I got to take this and we got to make a plan for this. And so They're overhearing some of the conversation. And I finished a conversation. I miss a few holes with them, which is just, there's no comparison, right? And I finish and I come back and they're like, hey, what's going on?

I start to tell them just a little bit of what I'm allowed to tell them. And they go, no, no, no, no, no, don't tell me, don't tell me, don't tell me, I don't want to know. I don't want to know because it makes me think about my kids. And I was already emotional because of what I knew just happened to these 12 girls. And I was frustrated, but also I was probably not speaking. out of the most amount of humility and a little bit of pride. And I responded and I said to the man that said that to me, if those girls could hear you right now, what hope do you think they would have? If the most powerful people in our states and in our country are going to say, no, don't tell me,

don't tell me. I don't want to know. Then how are we actually going to push back this evil that is taking place? And I think that I share that story because that's happened too often. And I'm not saying that Everyone has to be exposed to all of it. That's not my goal. We don't want to traumatize people, but we do have to have people be aware of what is taking place so that we can have an army of people that are standing on the line for people, for these kids, for these women that are going through a living health. And if we're not even willing to look at it and to talk about it, to bring awareness to it

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there's higher-ups that maybe are involved in some of this stuff, which is maybe, and I'm not saying the people you're with, but some of powerful people are maybe a part of some of the problem. I mean, maybe, but for us to move the needle, you have to have people in seats of power, people in seats of wealth, and then a lot of people that are working day and night to make a difference. And I give you another example about the level of evil. So several years ago, we're in a meeting, and our VP of anti-trafficking writes down the number 20,000. I said, Camille, 20,000, 20,000 what? And she said, right now in the ICSA database,

it's the XA database is the database at Interpol where they hold child rape and abuse images and videos. And she said, right now in the ICSA database, there is around what we believe, 20,000 boys and girls that law enforcement can see their rape and abuse images, videos, and serieses, but have yet to be able to identify them. So, I mean, so we, we, we, we, we, um, host a meeting at Interpol with a lot of amazing organizations and players in the space and comes to find out it wasn't 20,000. It was around 57,000 boys and girls that have yet to be identified. And so that led into a whole lot of a bill that we have in Congress, but then also Renewed Hope Act 1, 2, and 3, and operations. And the first one led to 316 identifications. And

with 14 countries coming together, the next one with 19 countries, 417 identifications. and then the third one, 386 identifications with 22 countries coming together. And we use that as an example because that's not us, it's not you, but it's all these people coming together. It's different organizations. It's different countries. It's different languages and all being able, because when you start an investigation, you don't know if that boy or girl is in Dayton, Ohio, or Chile, right?

You have no idea. So you need the countries to be able to work together with languages. And also out of those that have been identified, more than half of them are. right here in the US, praying that one day someone will identify him and come show up for them. Do you feel like what you're doing with this feels, it seems like, way more fulfilling than what you've accomplished in sports? There is zero comparison. Yeah.

There is zero comparison when we get to be around boys and girls that have been brought out of this evil or the women that we get to serve. also right here in this state we have safe homes that are in this state when you get to to see the evil that they were in and then you get to see them flourishing and to be cared for and to be loved and to have a different hope and what they've had and the level in which they have had to go through such evil is it's hard to even describe. Like, the reason I'm hesitating is I'm saying, what is appropriate to even share of the level?

And sometimes I share more than she always feels comfortable and just so passionate because if we don't talk about it, they're going to continue to suffer. What I love about what you guys are doing and your message is that you are putting so much good into the world. And listen, I think you should shine whatever you think people should hear more about. Like some of the frustrations I think that many people in this country have is you don't get to hear about a lot of these issues. And we bicker and whine about things that are so important compared to what you're talking about. We're talking about children that have no hope or help.

And we're sitting here whining with each other about inconsequential things a lot of the time. But I also think hearing from someone like you and you who have had the success that you've both had, that many people idolize and try to emulate and hearing you say that there's a greater purpose beyond that. If someone follows each of your careers and sees what you've done and thinks that that's the top, and having you sit here saying, no, that's not the top, this is the top. I think it's a message that will get many people to kind of change their course of action and their path to go and maybe seek something greater. So I just think it's great what you guys are doing. Thank you so much. It is truly, I mean, it's not that we're supposed to say it, but it really is the greatest honor for us is to be able to serve.

these boys and girls and Demi was telling you about our daughter's middle name. Do you share that? Yeah, I mean, our daughter, her first name is Daphne, and it was named after my my great aunt, who was an amazing woman and had such a great impact in my life. But her middle name, Rain, she was named after a little girl that we met, that we gave to serve on one of our safe campuses and a different country. And I met her. when she was really, really little, but she was rescued at just a couple weeks old. At 25 days old. Yeah.

That's really cool. And sure now that you have a daughter, all that you guys are working on, even puts it in perspective more. Yes, it definitely puts it into perspective even more because I think you can feel that hurt on a way more personal level, right, than I probably could have ever having not been a mom. But regardless of that, I think just knowing where that little girl is, day and how she's able to flourish because there were people that cared enough to even just notice,

cared enough to listen and cared enough to act, where she is today compared to where she was a couple of years ago is one of the reasons I think that. And she is just such a joy. How much does your faith play into all of this? It's the foundation for all of it. It is, I believe that although I missed the mark a lot, when we do it better, it changes your heart posture, changes your mindset, and it changes the lens in which you see people. We wouldn't just see people for what they could do for us or

what we could do for them. We wouldn't just see people for what we have in common, but we would see people with the God-given worth and value that we believe every single human was created with, that every single person was really created in the image of God. And when you really believe that, in your heart, your eyes start to change. The lenses in which you see people start to change. Let's say I dropped a penny and I said, hey guys, I dropped a penny. I need you guys to help me find this penny. Y'all would look at me and be like, like you're an idiot. Who cares? It's just a penny. But if Demi dropped her diamond wedding ring and I said, hey, gosh, she dropped her wedding ring. Like stop and we got to find it. There's a couple of things that you guys would probably stop and help us find it. Why? Because you know that it's

valuable, but you also would know that it's innately valuable to her as her wedding ring. But how often in our society do we treat people that are suffering like pennies instead of more priceless than any diamond ring that's ever been created? And I think so much of that comes from that we believe every person is created in the image of God and has innate worth and value and they are loved by God. and God has called us to love them. And I think one of our hearts is that we would know God's love, but then we would also, in a very imperfect way, strive to show that love.

And the greatest form of love is not an emotion. It's not a feeling. It's a choice. We would really choose people's best interest and act on their behalf, regardless if we know them or like them or have everything in common or don't, or have the same political views or faith views or like the same movies. Because I think one of the things that happens in our society right now is in people's eyes, other people's value goes up and down based on their opinion.

And if we live that way, that's a big one. It's a very scary place. Yeah. Right? If you say something I don't like and I value you based on your opinion, then your value just went down. That's not going to be a healthy. happening a lot lately. That's not going to be a healthy society. And it will not be a place that

people flourish. But if, I think you're seeing a lot of that play out. I think so too. But if our value is fixed, that you can't, you can't do anything to earn or decrease your value and your worth, it's fixed. And you can do things that we like or dislike, right? But that's not your value. And it's not, it's not your worth. Right. If that is fixed, now we all start from a place where, man, we value humanity. We value one another. And then that will lead us to a place of respect and dignity. It doesn't mean likes, right? That's not what I'm saying. I'm just saying we have to like everybody, but we should respect everyone if you really believe that they're made in God's image on purpose and for a purpose, right? And we valued people. Then it's like, okay, we can have healthy conversations.

We can have healthy debates. We can have different viewpoints because we know it's not changing our worth and value, but if our value is equal to our opinion, what a dangerous place. If you could both wave a wand with everything you guys have seen to sort of tell everyone something, what would that be? I believe that every single person that is listening is more valuable to God than they have ever realized or even thought about. I believe that every single person has infinite value and worth. every single person. And it's not based on anything that they do or don't do either.

You mentioned earlier your, I think you said core statements in your marriage. What did you see, you said your core values? Core values. Yeah. What are your core values in your marriage when you guys come together and it's just the two of you? Oh, that's a good question. So it's not just for our marriage. It's for for us at the foundation, for us as a family, and for the companies that we get to be a part of. And I can't wait to hear yours after this. So I hope you're thinking. So our first core value is that we're protectors. We protect one another, protect the vulnerable, protect each other, protect the people we get to serve, that love is something that covers. It covers with faith. It covers with hope. It covers with love. It's protection. We care for people,

that we would protect them. Our second is that we would value and seek wise counsel. So like that we would really listen to to one another, but we would have people that speak into our lives. And there's a few things of each one I could break them all down, but there's a few reasons for that. Because that means that we're coming from a posture of humility, more so than from a posture of pride, like we know it or we have the answers. No, we want to be able to try to seek that from other people and let them speak into us. Our third one is that we hurt when they hurt. is a posture of compassion, not of comfort. This is so important to us because I think it is so easy for all of us to be able to get into a place

where we really seek comfort. But comfort and compassion don't coexist. Compassion comes from the Greek word splank nizzo my, which means to be moved from your most inward parts. It is very uncomfortable. Sympathy and empathy are really good things, but they're different than compassion. If we walk down the street, I could have sympathy or empathy from a distance. I could see a homeless man and I could have sympathy or empathy.

But compassion makes me cross the road. Compassion makes me, when he's in the suck, so am I. And then our fourth is we get in the foxhole when necessary. So it's for us, for our team, that, man, life can be really hard. We don't have to be in there by ourselves that we can do life with one another. that we can have family and friends and loved one and teammates that we're going to get in the foxhole with them. When people are hurting, we're going to get in there with them. And our fifth one is that we embrace the joy and the burden of the calling.

So a lot of times people just bring up the joy. And that's awesome. We know that we get to have joy. We get to have joy in wins. We get to have joy together. We get to have incredible moments of joy. we also believe the joy of the Lord is our strength, but we also believe in a burden, and that it's in the kindness of God that he would give us a burden, a burden for those that are hurting, a burden for

those that are suffering, and that we would carry that carefully, that we would embrace the joy and the burden, because we view that as a heavy thing, and it can be. We view it as a hard thing, and it can be. But it also means if we have a burden for people that are hurting, It also implies that there's something we can do about it. There's a difference that we can make, that we would be so burdened to go make a difference for them. And then we define calling a specific way that it's an urgent and divine invitation to accept responsibility for a particular task. It's urgent and it's divine to accept responsibility for a particular task. That means even if no one else does it, will we?

If it's your calling, it doesn't matter what everybody else does. Will we accept it? How did you get so good at speaking? I don't know that I am. I feel like you have a calling to be a pastor or something too. Have you ever done anything like that? Like you're very compelling when you speak. Thank you.

Is it just natural? I think Tim is a very deep thinker. And he is somebody that I learned so, so, so much from because he truly thinks through things a lot. And then he strategizes. And when he's up at night and can sleep, It's because he's thinking through things and wanting to make things better, wanting to fix things. He's such a fixer, like, especially in our relationship.

Sometimes I'm just like, wait, wait, okay, Demi, do you want me to just listen or do you want me to try to fix it? No, but I think men, like, you know, sometimes men, there's something the last episode, we struggle sometimes with the listening, we jump right to the fixing. It is annoying, though, when you guys don't listen. It's so easy to. Last night, I was telling him something and he just wanted to, he just wanted to. to fix the problem. He just can't help it. I mean, listen, it's, it's, it's, it's, I think it's a quality that every man battles with. I think so.

But, you know, the intention is right, like I said. Like, you know, I don't, it would be worse if we didn't want to fix anything. That's right. Right. I think it's based on how we, we really look at it, you know? It's because that we want to help and we want to make a difference and we don't want whatever that thing is to continue if it's a problem. And I think that it's, it's, it's, it's really, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's really important. This is why communication is so important and also hard in a relationship. There's two people. They could be right in their intentions, but just at the wrong wavelengths, right? And so so important for clear communication. I also learn if I just say like, hey, I just need

to get this off my chase. Can you just listen? It's a great job with that. So I also have to remember to just say that. That's true. It is really helpful, though. Yeah. None are not the best at picking up the breadcrumbs and the clues in the hands. I think we need more like literally do this exact thing. Yeah, he told me, he's like, just tell me, just tell me straight on. And I was like, okay, I'm going to try this. And it works every time. You know that game, that game Mousetrap when you're a kid?

Maybe you don't know this. But you know the game Mousetrap? That's how I feel sometimes trying to figure out what you want from me. It's like, you don't want to step in the wrong direction. The trap will go off. It's like the game of operation. Okay, I got a gear shift here. So both of you have experienced setbacks.

personally, professionally, you said yourself very competitive. How did you handle setbacks then and how do you handle them now? That's a really good question. You don't go first to me. I think not always great. Sometimes I handle them better than others. Sometimes it could be very crushing to my spirit, honestly. I think when I've done it better, it's because I had a better perspective. Perspective just means to see through, right? And see through. all the noise and I give one example. If you get buried or you get planted, it looks and feels the exact same. Except one of them life is over and the other one is just getting ready to sprout. That's really a good one. And it's often when we're in going through life, we've been planted. But it's,

it, but we view it as we were buried. And I, I love getting a chance to encourage people because I need it myself, you know, in sharing that, sometimes the biggest setback in your life is actually in the long run, the greatest set up in your life. Because you get to learn from it, you get to grow, you get to adapt. And maybe that door that was closed, there's a better one behind it. There's another one. And if we would just learn from that setback, but what happens so often, and I've made this mistake, is we felt like that setback, the door that was closed, we feel crushed by it. And it crushes our heart and our soul and that dream. And so we think, man, and we get so down that sometimes we miss the door that was open and all of the things that we get to learn from it.

And one of the things that Pixar does for their movies is they have a motto called fail fast. and they will literally take a sketch of a movie before they animate anything and they'll sketch it out and they'll have everyone come in and they'll pick holes at it and just tear it apart, tear it apart. I bet you the creator is probably like, oh man, but why they do that is so that it actually helps in the long run when they do start to animate it because you already evaluated all of these weaknesses. And sometimes we don't want that in life, but it actually can be really helpful. Hey, help me learn and grow. setback can be one of the greatest setups because you can learn and grow through that setback.

And I feel like that's been true in a lot of our lives. You just summarize our dinner last night. Seriously? Yeah. No, but I mean, I think I love that perspective on failing fast. And I love the perspective of, you know, throwing things at the wall and tearing it apart so that you can grow and be better. And I think to your point, so many times you experience a setback and we have.

And it's very easy to fall into that pattern of like life is over. I'm never going to be great. I'm never going to be good enough. Right. But in my life, and I think maybe for all of us, most of those set back to the springboards to the next great thing. I really believe that. Demi, how would you describe Tim at home? And Tim, how would you describe Demi at home?

What do we not see from you guys? Oh, that's a good question. Yeah. What's the real truth? I've never been asked that before. I like it. I like new questions. What we see, Tim, like, you know, on social media or on TV or is who he is at home.

It's just who he is. I don't feel like there's a separation ever. You know, one of my favorite stories of Tim is we just got married. We're on our honeymoon. And where like Tim plants as like super romantic, we're in the Maldives, super romantic stargazing dinner, just as two hours on the beach. And you know, and the Maldives, it's like these overwater bungalows, like there's not really like land or anything inside. And there's this massive commotion, okay? Massive. of commotion, all of a sudden breaks out. And before I could blink, Tim's gone. Like, runs towards the commotion. And I'm thinking to myself, like, you're running into danger. Like, you don't know what you're running into. Like, we just got married. Like, get back here. But I'm thinking,

okay, you also want to have your first marital fight right now. So just just keep it together. So he comes back, like, 20 minutes later, tells me what happened. Long story short, it was two families that got in this massive fight over actually COVID. It was like before COVID. It was like before COVID was like a thing. Yeah, they were fighting over this thing called the coronavirus. Yeah. We got married January 2020. I mean, it's two whole families.

This is pretty like right before COVID blew up. Yeah, January 2020. Yeah, maybe even February because we were on a honeymoon for like a week. So anyway. Yeah. So I'm like, okay, skip, so we get home. The world shuts down. We're actually in our home for the first time as a married couple.

We go on a walk because it's like it's COVID. Nothing else to do. So we go on a walk, we come back. And our whole driveway is flooded with like, police officers, ambulances, fire trucks. And I'm like, oh, my word, that I leave a candle burning. I wasn't baking. Like, this was the like that my straightener on.

What did I do? And we run around and we meet the firemen and they're like, it says house, five, seven, nine, eight. I'm like, no, it's that way. And I actually sent them the wrong way. But besides the point, I sent them down a cul-de-sac. So bad. It was awful.

They took our mailbox. You were trying to do a- It's trying to help. But anyway, the maps were going to turn. Anyway, besides the point, down that way goes all the firemen, all the police, everything goes that way. And so does Tim, like running right out, like right behind them. And in that moment, I was like, no more, no more. And I, like, in my most aggressive.

No more him chasing the action. No. And like my most aggressive voice, I'm like, Tim Tebow, Tim Tebow. Get back here right now. You don't know what you're running into. And he turns around and he goes. Demi Thiebo, if I don't go, there's nothing I can do to help. And I was like, oh, my word, you are so right.

You are so right. But that's who he is. Like that is who Tim is. That's who my husband is. He is always, I don't want to say ready to be a helping hand because I think it's more than that. I feel like he's always like on the lookout to see people, to notice them and to actually go and act could go and fix that problem, right? And that's such a big part of which his new book

Look again is based off of. And I have the privilege of getting to see that in action every single day. And that's one of the things that I love so much about Tim. I was hoping you were going to say he sits around in his underpants eating chips on his chest. But he does that too. Set the bar high for yours. Now you've got to say something about Demi about what she's like. No, that's, that's, that's easy. Nobody does it. That's easy. crazy. Yeah, tell us. Tell us.

He feeds our dog snacks in bed. Oh, I'm a big snacker in bed too. I eat. I actually eat like a full course plowments lunch in bed. I love it. He gets so mad. Our dog, he's the Bernice Mountain dog, one of our dogs. And he drools like crazy, especially when there's food.

So it's, I feel like the bidding gets changed. It's the best, though. It's really sweet. It's so enjoyable for me when I'm up there and I can just keep feet. He's so happy and it just makes me so happy. Wait until you. Like till your daughter gets old enough to sit in bed with you and have snacks, that's a whole situation. I don't mind the same to bed.

Good or bad? Good. No, it's fun. We sit with our trays. He gets mad. We have a sleepover in bed. We're leaving a part out, though. I don't mind that you snack in bed, but the mess after, like, I get into smashing crumbs out of the bubbles.

Oh, yes. She said, I, yeah. She sold a chia seed tea all over our sheets. And, you know, like the chia seeds, how they expand. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It was just sticky. And then we didn't even.

didn't even try to change it. You just left it there. No, I feel like they're dried on the wall. Okay, so what, let's tell us what Demi's like when it's just you two. She's just the best mom. She's an incredible mom that is, I try to tell her us every day that I just think she's the best mom the way that she, and I've known she was going to be such a good mom for such a long time. But I think one of the things that people don't realize about Demi is just her passion and her drive. like they see it a little bit and like okay she doesn't speak africans for three months or miss universe but they don't see it in all of the areas of just how driven she is and how passionate she is and how passionate she is as a daughter as a mom as a friend as someone that you know we get to

work with at the foundation just her drive is it really is something that is so inspiring to be around And then I would say on the other hand with that drive at the same time, such a deep level of compassion and kindness. You know, we've been able to go to so many countries around the world. I don't know how many countries we've been to. But I'd say probably one of my favorite things about Demi and our whole relationship is watching her pick up and carry these babies that we've been able, that were thrown away in dumpers and toilets and trash, sometimes left with the umbilical, it's still attached and to watch her carry and love on them or watch her in high heels relentlessly for five hours straight push people down the red carpet and it's and then she'll at night to shine or then you know and then she'll you know get in the car and she'll take out

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out of your lifestyle because it is just destroying so many lives. Well, I bet that was also a shock for you coming to this country. Oh, you can eat so much more food in South Africa than you can here. Yeah, I mean, you know, here you're like looking for healthy snacks and things that are better. But I grew up just literally eating like farm to table. Like even now when you go back restaurants, like some of them like have their own gardens in the back and things are seasonal, you know, and actually get strawberries here around. It's not supposed to last all year long. Yeah. You shouldn't just be able to leave it on your counter and it's still good.

So you don't do sugar. I try to avoid as much sugar as I can. You really don't amino acids. I love amino acids. I'm going to guess you lift weights. Yeah. I try to. How often?

much being a dad now. How often do you lift weights? In a perfect world, it would be six times a week, but I probably only average like two or three now. I bet you have a lot of muscle memory from what you've done. Well, yeah, it's also a lot of really smart people that I'm friends with and Valo. They really believe, like, if you've built it, it's, you know, and you lose some, it's easier to sustain it and hold on to it.

Like your body knows what that's like. So, like being, and I also believe in lifting heavy, really, stressing your body because it adapts. When we tear it down, it's going to build back versus kind of just sometimes a little bit more of the fru-fru. I still like lifting. Who are you guys following or friends with that you look to for guidance with health and fitness?

Oh, I just got to film with Dr. Josh Axe. We love Dr. Josh. Yeah. So he's one, listen to a bunch of different people. Yeah, a bunch of different people. There is actually, I just ran into the coffee shop. across the street here before he came because I just wanted hot water and milk to put my, my, like, chai latte, like, little packet in.

And I was so judged for asking for that. I did buy other things just by the way. But Taylor Dukes is somebody else. Yeah, Taylor Dukes. And her things are so clean. Dr. Aman. I like Dr. Aman. He's such a nice guy.

Has he scanned your brain? Yes. Post football. Yes. And was there? And was that? And he got the results. He scanned our brains too.

And there's definitely some trauma for sure. But he can help you with his supplements, right? It helps. And we're working on it. That's interesting to me to have someone who's played so many sports get a brain scan by him. Yeah, I'm very grateful. She was more grateful than I was. She was like, you need to do it.

And so we finally got it done. It was really. A lot of people don't realize with like boxing or football or stuff like that. The helmet obviously protects you, but it's the impact of like the padding that makes the brain rattle around even worse. That's why in some ways, like even like an MMA fighter will come out in better condition than a boxer. Yeah. A constant. Yeah. And the same with the football player, right? Because it's like the, it's the padding that you guys have to deal with. And the whiplashes can be really bad too.

Yeah. That's probably my worst one. How do you guys optimize your day in the morning? What are the things that you guys do every morning? Right now, I'm just if I get clothes, real clothes on, that's a win. Yeah, I understand. I understand. I understand. 10 a.m. So, um, by the way, that's going to be your next six years just so you know. That's okay. I'll take it loudly. It's so fun. So and when he's home, it's helpful. I, um, I think it's so important to start the day, right? We get to play with Daphne. We get to get in, um, God's word and do a devotional together. We get to, um, spend time, uh, make her coffee and just try to, even if it's fast, even if it's only a few minutes,

when we miss it, it really does feel like the day is less. Like when we don't get to do that together, and we just way too often let something get in the way of it, and it really does, I just think it makes us grounded and changes our mind and heart when we're able to have that time together and do go through something that we're studying together. It really helps. Johnny Cash said his favorite thing, remember he says?

He says his favorite thing to do was coffee with her. Oh, that's sweet. Is that your favorite thing to do in the morning? Is that your favorite thing to do in the morning with you? Oh, God. Come on. And, you know, I think even just like making sure you feel your body, especially being a new mom and breastfeeding,

that's, you know, on a whole other level, even to go back to just diet in which you incorporate in your body. I'm not just doing that for me now, but for another tiny human being. and how incredibly special that is that you get to do that. It's, you know, it's really, it's a privilege you get to do that and wanting to steward that wisely too. So for me, I'm making sure we feel our bodies,

making sure we get outside, get fresh air, move our bodies, you know, is a couple of different things that I think is really helpful. Oh, if you want another one of my favorite supplements. Yeah, it's a supplement for like to neurologically stimulate you and it can be used as a pre-workout, but it's more than just that. It's a supplement called Neuron by Optimum EFX. I love it. Not a lot of people know about this one, but it is.

I never heard that one. Well, I first was told by it by all of the great Steelers defensive players. And it's... Why the defensive players? Well, just I became friends with Troy Palom Allen and some of those guys. And then the Ryan Clarks and James Harrison, then I just, they went to a place I was training and told me about it. And it's just it's a good one.

You should try it. What does it do? It helps you focus. helps you really lock in. You know, there's so many neutropics out there, right? It's like the big fad that's all over the place. But I also feel like so many of them are, they're okay, the supplements, but it's so underdosed. It's just, but I feel like y'all might be on my traditions.

I knew we would have one that you hadn't heard of. We moved on faster on the health side. We did. I do. You know, you've played professional sports at the highest level. When you get access to some of those trainers and some of those trainers and some of the those health coaches, like what are some of the things that maybe they're offering to you guys that the general public's not aware of? Or is it just more of? Or is there certain things you're like,

oh, I didn't, I wasn't aware of that until I was. There was so much that I wasn't aware of. I've been for the most part when it comes to like diet and discipline and stuff, pretty disciplined and obedient. I, you know, didn't have a soft drink since I was 15. I would, when in college, I would like do all the things like carb load that they would tell us to do. And and then you find out you're like, man, there's a lot of people. people that don't believe in it, it's not good, and they have really valid reasons for it. And so just who you listen to matter so much. And then you get to meet some of these awesome individuals that creates certain supplements and they're better for you or better for this.

And then you get to get a cleaner protein or a cleaner creatine or all these things. And you're like, oh my gosh, I wish I would have known about this earlier. It would have changed so much of the game. And now there's so much that's also, you know, coming out for health benefits. fits. And there's, you know, sometimes people can view it as controversial, but like the the methylene blues and all these other things that are good for your brain. And so honestly, for us, we care more about our brain than we do just our body, right? And just taking the right things for your brain, all of the, the omegas and all of the neutropics so that our brains can

stay healthy is honestly more of what we focus on than just our body. My dad battled pancreatic cancer the last couple of years and he actually passed away a couple weeks ago. Oh, I'm so sorry to hear that. Thank you. But his diagnosis, I think, even sent us just into a deeper dive into really understanding, not just how great this one specific supplement is for you, but just holistically viewing the body and things that work together, things that, you know, like I think there's some way smarter people than us that get to explain things. smarter. Just how things kind of all work together in a holistic kind of way that benefits your body on so many different levels. Yes, I mean, so that's why like led us into like red light therapy and sarahas and hyperbaric chambers. Detoxing. Like actually properly detoxing. Cleanses and

vitamin IVs, all of that's been a journey for us the last few years. Alcohol or no alcohol? I don't drink. I'll have a glass of wine. I haven't had that in over a year. because I've been pregnant and I'm breastfeeding, and I just prefer not to. Yeah, and really for me, it's not really a conviction. It's just I don't, I know a lot of the people I listen to talk about what it does on your body. Oh, no, it's clearly not good for us. If someone's listening and they want to find their purpose, what advice would you guys give to them before you go? So if we look at purpose, understand what it means.

The reason something is done, use, created, or exist. And I think it's really important to define things so people can be on the same page. Do you really believe that you exist just for that job that you have right now, just for that? Or is it bigger than that? And how to encourage people, their purpose is bigger than just what they do. I really believe that. A lot of times people ask me, how do I know what my purpose is? The first thing I would say is, I don't know.

But when you look at where you are, the skill sets you've been given, the convictions of your heart, the way God has made your brain. So one of the ways I'll say it, and this is kind of cheesy, but is what you're, you're your mindset, your skill set, your heart set, your wear set. And when you add all that up and you use it for good and to benefit other people, it's a super set. So it's, you know, Demi's going to have a different mindset, some different convictions than me, a different skill set. And where she's been placed, you add all that up. So some people are like, man, I just want to go overseas and help here. Well, maybe you don't have the skill set or the conviction or the mindset or, but right now where you are, how can you use that? And I think you add all of those up. And when you use those for to make a

difference in other people, and then you really evaluate that. How does my brain work? How can I solve problems or think? And, you know, maybe we get to work with, um, uh, and part of the, our fight against trafficking, we use a lot of technology for it. Um, pattern recognition and unique ways to be able to identify kids and serve and help. You know, there's certain people that, man, they're so gifted. I need help just to turn it on and turn it off. And they're so gifted in that. You know, that's an incredible purpose that I couldn't live out. I couldn't create some of these things to be able to identify some of these boys and girls. It's an incredible purpose. Sometimes people have a different skill set that it's unique to them. So you add all that up,

my mindset, my heart set, my skill set, my where set? Where have I been placed? Maybe I've been placed in a unique position to make a difference. I add all that up and I really step back and evaluate it. And now how can I use that to impact as many people? That's one way I would encourage them to think about it. Great advice. I think so often we feel like our purpose is something so extravagant, so far-fetched, so you know, kind of glamorous as it's supposed to.

And I honestly think that's sometimes a little bit of pride speaking because we make it about ourselves and I actually think purpose is about something bigger than ourselves, perhaps even about other people. And I think the impact that we get to have on somebody else's life have the ability to have an eternal impact, something that will last for forever, far beyond just us. And I think so often our purpose is hidden in plain sight, hidden in the skills that we have,

hidden in the things that we love that we're naturally good at, that we can utilize for something bigger than just ourselves. You both have two new books, one each. Yeah. High achievers. Not even playing that way either. No, I wasn't playing that way.

We lost them in the water catastrophe. Sorry. But, and either one of you choose to, maybe, Demi, what can people expect from your book? And then same question, but maybe you go first. My book's actually a 100-day devotional. It's called Knowing Who You Are because of who God is, 100-day's unbreakable faith. And I wrote this book in a time where I felt like my faith, was a little rattled where I felt like my purpose wasn't clear and where my identity certainly

wasn't secure. And it was because I placed so much of that value and worth on things that were always just meant to be temporary. We talked a lot about how I prepared to win Miss Universe and how I prepared for that big moment. But we don't always talk or get to prepare for the moment that that thing that we chase for such a long time falls away when that corner office turns maybe into a retirement package or you're an empty nester for the first time or whatever that looks like to you. And for me, when I handed that crown over to the very rightful next winner, I felt like I handed over my identity and my worth and my value. And it was gone like that. And I really questioned, oh my goodness, who am I without this title, this thing? And as a Christian

and as somebody that has a, I want to think, a deep-rooted faith, I realize, that there's nothing that I can strive for that will ever give me that worth or value or purpose because it's already God given to me by my creator. And I believe that knowing who he has created us to be allows us to understand who we are. I love it. You guys have had very different careers. But there's a lot of similar. Similarities.

It's really, it's really like, I mean. When you say you're so different, there's all. When I'm listening to both of you, and obviously there's a lot of similar. It's like parallels, but like. Because same with the identity stuff. Like if I met you and I met you separately, I feel like I would set you up. I love it. Well, that would have been awesome, then.

That would be great. But you know what I mean? Because I imagine same and tell me if I'm wrong, but same thing with you with athletics, right? And then changing that path. Totally. I imagine that is very difficult, not only for you, but many people that follow that path. But it's like you do something become known for something for so long. And then when you're not doing that thing anymore, it's like, there's no doubt.

And I think that's honestly what we mean when we say, you know, we didn't have that much in common. We had a lot in purpose is the kind of some of the journeys that we were on. And it wasn't based on, you know, first languages or favorite movies. She's, you know, still only watch a little bit of Braveheart. I can't do Braveheart either. I can't do Braveheart. You have to. It's a classic.

That's awesome. I also can't do Star Wars. You mentioned that either. I can't do it. I'm sorry, Michael. We'll get through it. Tell us about your book. Well, it's called Look Again and Recognize Your Worth, Renew Your Hope, Run with Confidence.

And I really hope and pray that it's more than a book. It would be a wake-up call. A wake-up call for people to first recognize their own worth and value. And then when you do that, you can't help. But when I see the world, see other people's worth and value. And then when you see people that are infinitely valuable with great worth and you see them hurting, how could I look away? How could I not respond?

One of the examples that I give is, as I believe in the eyes of God, the way God loves us is he loves us with a royal worth and value. And so when we see people royalty and rubble, how could we not respond? How could we walk the other way? And I really think it starts with the lenses of our eyes and the lenses of our heart. Really, how do we see ourselves and how are we going to see other people? And I want to challenge them, please don't look away. Look again. Love having you both.

Thank you guys. Thank you guys. It's our pleasure. Thank you guys so much. Thank you for both of what you're doing because you're putting a lot of good out into the world. Thank you. Help a lot of people. Where can I, I'm sure they already follow you guys, but where can they follow you on Instagram?

Tammy Tebow, Tim Tebow. Yeah. Thank you so much for coming on the show.