The Bossticks - Tina Chen Craig On Personal Resilience, Discovering Your Passion, & How To Adapt To Thrive In Life

Episode Date: January 8, 2026

#925: Join us as we sit down with Tina Chen Craig – entrepreneur, beauty expert, digital pioneer, & the Founder of U Beauty. From immigrating to the U.S. at a young age to launching multiple ventures – including the early 'Bag Snob' blog to building her globally recognized skincare brand, Tina's journey of resilience is anything but linear. In this episode, Tina gets candid about adaptability, the importance of trying varied ventures to discover your true passion, & shares what it takes to truly evolve.    To Watch the Show click HERE   For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM   To connect with Tina Chen Craig click HERE   To connect with U Beauty click HERE   To connect with Lauryn Bosstick click HERE   To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE   Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE   Head to our ShopMy page HERE and LTK page HERE to find all of the products mentioned in each episode.   Get your burning questions featured on the show! Leave the Him & Her Show a voicemail at [phone].   To Shop U Beauty visit https://go.shopmy.us/p-37809598 and use code SKINNY for 20% off.    This episode is sponsored by The Skinny Confidential Your skincare routine, reimagined. Shop The Skinny Confidential Face Towels today at https://shopskinnyconfidential.com/products/face-towels.   This episode is sponsored by ARMRA Go to http://armra.com/SKINNY or enter SKINNY to get 30% off your first subscription order.   This episode is sponsored by The RealReal Get $25 off your first purchase when you go to http://TheRealReal.com/skinny.   This episode is sponsored by Geviti Go to http://gogeviti.com/skinny and use code SKINNY at checkout for 20% off.   This episode is sponsored by Branch Basics Head to http://BranchBasics.com and use code SKINNY15 for 15% off your first order.   This episode is sponsored by Hero Bread Go to http://hero.co and use code SKINNY at checkout.   This episode is sponsored by Beekeepers Naturals Go to http://beekeepersnaturals.com/SKINNY or enter code SKINNY to get 20% off your order. Produced by Dear Media

The following podcast is a dear media production. She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire. Fantastic. And he's a serial entrepreneur. A very smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you along for the ride. Get ready for some major realness. Welcome to the skinny confidential, him and her.

Today we have my friend Tina Chen Craig on the show. she is a bad ass. Let me tell you. Her skin is glowy. It's supple. It's beautiful. It's glassy. But she is also an incredible entrepreneur. She is strategic. She's a beauty expert. She is a master in the digital space. And she also is the founder of You Beauty. I am sure you've heard of you beauty. So here's the deal. I had not tried it. And she brought me some. And I was like, okay, like I'm going to try this the next day. And I put it on while I was in the car, on the way of the gym. And I used the resurfacing compound. I was so blown away with how my skin looked like dolphin skin that I texted her 20 pictures of myself. It was like immediately I had her kind of skin. And I can't even explain how beautiful her skin is. I feel like you have to go to Instagram and do some

stalking. She has this just really youthful, glowy look. And I'm blown away by the resurfacing compound. That is like the one. I also really, really, really. really like her lip treatment. It's absolutely beautiful. I think it makes my lips look two times bigger. So she really nailed it. She cares about products. And you may also recognize Tina early from the days of bag snob. Let's get into this episode where we talk about suppositories, her journey of entrepreneurship, her childhood, and how she reinvented herself. Tina, welcome to the show. This is the skinny confidential, him and her. Tina, I have known about you for years way back when you were a bag snob.

I remember launching the skinny confidential and you were one of the people that I stock. So it's been a long time of you building everything you've built. Yeah. And I was following you. I was like, obsessed. I'm like my favorite word. Well, I'm flattered because your skin's amazing. Thank you.

I wanted to invite you on the show because I wanted to tell your whole story because everyone I told you off air sees your beautiful Instagram stories and all the events that you're at and your gorgeous skin and everything you've built from an entrepreneurial standpoint. And I wanted to get the lay of the land about how you got here. So take us back to when you're a little girl. Have you always been this entrepreneurial? Oh gosh, no. I mean, I talk so much that my, like people now will say to me, I will pay you a dollar if you are quiet for every minute you're quiet. But I was very shy and I was an immigrant. And so I moved to the U.S. when I was eight years old, didn't speak a word of English. And it was, you know, it was really hard because growing up in Taiwan, I was born to a Chinese

immigrant family. So over there, they literally called you outsiders. Like your name was like, oh, you're an outsider. So I grew up being an outsider in my own birthplace. Then I came to America. I was even more of an outsider because now I didn't, not only did I not speak the language, I didn't look like anybody else. This is like 1978. So this is when they first opened up immigration to Taiwan and South Korea. And I spent most of my formative years hiding in the bathroom during recess, having no friends. Like, my imagination was the world I would escape to and read everything I could. I was just really quiet. And then on top of being super nerdy and looking different and having clothes made by my grandmother because she had like tailors in Hong Kong

and Taiwan, once they realized that once I learned English, my science and math skills were so far ahead. Like to my, I was so horrified once a week, they put me on this bus to call the gate program, gifted and talented education. I'm like 11 years old once a week already being ostracized because I was so different with these thick glasses. Now I'm being shipped off once a week to a high school to study science and math with like high school kids. And because I was an immigrant, I lived with my aunt and uncle. I was, you know, I moved back and forth.

And by the time I graduated high school, I'd been to eight schools in 12 years. That's a lot of changing. It's a lot of changes, but you know what it was? It became my superpower, like adaptability, resilience, learning to like, I have five seconds to make friends in this new classroom. So you get the lay at the land. And before, you know, I could just tell by the way someone smelled or the way they looked or the way they dressed if I could trust them. I don't know. Because I didn't speak English, fashion and scent became my second language, if that makes sense. So that's when I started honing, I think, my people skills. So by college, I was, again, like, totally different. I was not a sority girl. girl. I wasn't allowed to do that. So I joined a business fraternity. A business fraternity. Yes. Like with the boys? Full of nerds. Yes. Full of nerds where you learned how to write your business plan, write a deck, learn how to interview, learn how to talk to people. So by the time I graduated USC, all the good internships were going to all the sorority girls to be a fact. Because, you know, they would go like the fashion internships, the things that I was interested in. And so I started my first

company when I was 23 years old. I was like, well, I'm never going to get hired. because I don't have the look of, you know, this is, now this is 93 when this was all happening. It wasn't, there was no, like, inclusivity. There was a certain look that people wanted in the fashion industry, tall, you know. And I never grew up with anyone who looked like me because I thought, you know, I'm going to grow up and be blonde. And they would tell me, no, you can't. I'm like, yes, I can. I don't believe blonde.

How did your parents support you, even when you were in Taiwan, how did they support you when you were feeling not confident? Chinese people don't talk about that. There's no, like, how do you feel? It was like, just get good grades. You know, you're good. Just get good grades. Get to Harvard. Be a doctor, be an accountant, be a lawyer.

But my grandmother, really, she was the one who would just say, put your best face forward. She gave me that self-confidence. Everything we did, everything we ate from bone broth to chicken butt to chicken feet and collagen foods and snow fungus was about health and wellness and good skin. So when I was younger, I was never told, they don't tell you you're pretty in the Chinese culture. They tell you have great skin. You have healthy great skin. So I heard that growing up over and over and over. Gosh, I wish my parents fed me all of those things. You're so lucky. Don't you look back on that and be like, wow.

Now I do. But when I was younger, it'd be like a plate of fish eyeballs. You know, she'd be like, eat this. It's so good for your skin. Eat the chicken butt. I need to get my kids eating eyeballs and chicken foot. Yes. Lauren, and people get annoyed at me telling me this sort of my, you don't know this looking at me. grandmother was a full Japanese woman. Oh my gosh. And so my mother's half Japanese. Okay. But I try to explain the differences from the way that Lauren was parenting compared to the way that like my Japanese grandmother in an Asian household. Yes. And obviously I had the input from my dad who was white and my mom who was hapatine as well. Right. So I'm, you know, what is a third generation? You're a Kappa. Yeah.

But what I explain is like there's not a lot of like praise that goes from that comes from that culture. It seems like they don't praise effort. And so we get an effort. It's expected. Yes. And we get in trouble sometimes or I get in trouble in our relationship because it's almost like I have to try harder to bring that out of me to praise and to cause. He'll be like, I'll be like I tried my best. He's like there's no try. Like there's no. I'm like shut the fuck. Well no I mean it's like in when I was a kid it's like did you do it right or not? Right. Is it like did the you know, there was no like hey good job

for such an effort if it was wrong. Right. Exactly. Exactly. It sounds like you were really close to your grandma. I was really close to my grandma, but if you didn't come home getting straight A's in the best grades, like second place, that's not, no, that's not a thing. So when you were going through school, did you feel like you didn't have any friends or did you eventually end up I eventually made friends, I made friends, but still like those formative years stay with you, like hiding in the bath. So you never really, even when I tried out for pom-pom girls and I made it one year and I just never felt like I was part of that group. I always felt like an outsider because then I'd be like, you know, my snacks are cuttlefish snacks. And then someone'd go, what does that smell?

And I'm like, oh my God, wait, I'm with the cool girls now. Don't eat these things. And, you know, all the things that people now love back then, they would just look down at like seaweed. I would bring all of that to school. And because I wanted to retain my, that's what I want. I had a little hello kitty. Bags are always really important to me because it was like having your own apartment with you because I was going through so many changes, going to different countries. So that's why I became bag snob. Because ever since I was little, having a bag was my security blank. I would have my snacks in there, my books, you know, my little pencils, like take notes. You know, people like you were writing with that is.

What is it like psychologically at that young age having to kind of assimilate and learn a foreign language with everyone around you knowing that language and having to go to a school and be in that environment without having that knowledge? What does it feel like? I think, you know what it feels like? It's like you're underwater and you're not able to breathe the way everyone else. else. It's like the fish is breathing and they're just like, that's why they, I think they say fish out of water. And you just all the time have this panic. Like, I'm different. I can't speak the language. I'm staring at them and I'm smiling and I could see they're talking about me, but I'm not sure what they're saying. So it's really, I think it's really hard for, especially for children. And I was eight years old. I was very cognizant of what was happening. I didn't speak the language. I look different. So shame, I think, became my first, like, really the first identity was like shame. was like, oh my God, why don't I look like them? I'm ashamed of my grandparents. I'm ashamed of

this. I'm ashamed of my Chinese culture. Whereas now, I'm so proud of it. It's like, it's all I talk. You know, and with my son, I really, with, he's also Asian like you. He's half. So I always tell him, you know, be really proud. He's like, I am proud. I want to bring dumplings to school. So it's such a different generation now where he's being celebrated because his mom's Asian. Nobody, you know, I grew up. I was always very sensitive to people who got bullied because I grew up listening to my mother tell me the stories about what happened to her and her sisters. Right. And they make fun of their eyes and a lot of these things.

And so I think like when I think about it, it almost makes me tear up because I don't think unless you've gone through it, people understand, one, kids are cruel. Yes. And they don't mean to be, but, you know, little kids are cruel. Right. And you don't really have a way to defend yourself because you can't communicate. Right. And I think it's for any immigrant that's coming and not learning, it's a really tough situation,

I think. It really, thank God, kids are a lot more adaptable. But once I learned English, it became worse because then I understood what they were saying. It was always Ching Chongqing, and then those movies like 16 candles with Long Duck Dong. You guys are a lot younger. You probably don't remember these movies. But imagine back then having a movie and the only Asian character, his name is Long Duck Dong, or the only Chinese or Asian female character always play some sort of like,

Me So Horny, do you know that phrase that came from a movie? So those movies would, I would go to the movie not knowing that's what is going to be about. And I would sit there just wanting a hole to open up and swallow me because everyone's laughing and seeing it. I'm like, oh, my God. So then it became, I would make sure I would kind of try to research a movie. But you couldn't. There was no internet. I was like, look up the billboard and ask people about it before I would go to make sure there were no Asian characters in there.

Because I knew if there was ever Asian representation, it was to be made fun of. It was never to be celebrated. So again, shame, shame, nonstop, you know, so it's. That is so crazy to hear that from your perspective. It's just, it's, it's really unbelievable. But I, now that you're saying all this, kids are cruel and they were crueler, which is interesting. I don't, now it is acceptable back then. Yeah.

It's not acceptable anymore. People don't stand for it. Yeah. When you look back at your entire childhood, do you think that all these moments that you went through sort of shaped who you are now? Because you would never know all these things by looking at you now. Right. I know. When I show people my photos, they're like,

that was you. I think it definitely shaped me because I became super independent when you don't have friends and you're alone all the time, especially, you know, from eight years old to about 13 years old. I think I grew into myself when I became a teenager. I grew my hair out, got some lip gloss. I wasn't allowed to wear makeup because it very strict Chinese family. So I would take my makeup to my friend's house and put it all over my face before school and washed it off when I came home. But those years really taught me independence, resilience, and perseverance. I think I just kept trying. I just kept going and I just, you know, I would watch Charlie's Angels and all the shows in the 80s and, and I wanted to speak English perfectly. I was going to speak

English better than Americans themselves. So I just like studied really hard. And when I moved to Texas, I felt like I was a fish out of water again. And I remember people were going, why do you speak English so good? I said, well, I made it like made it my job to be American. I just, I really wanted to assimilate. One of the things that is really interesting about you is you're incredibly resourceful too. It's like you wanted to learn English so well so you just, you tried to do it as best as you can. Also, what you said about the movie, you wanted to research the movie before you would go. It seems like you're finding all these creative ways to sort of make it to get what you want. Well, this is a strange statement to make, but I, as I'm listening to you talk and even

thinking about some other people that have similar backgrounds, it's almost like, you know, now we do a really good job of kind of guarding people, especially children against any of these kind of hardships. But there's so many stories like yours of people that go through something like that and then they use it to fuel and drive them. And it sounds like more than just learning the language. Like you've built huge businesses. You've built a platform. Like, you know, you know all the right people. Like you've really made something of your life. I wonder how much of your early days drives that still. Oh, a lot of it because for me, it was like failure is not an option. It's going back to the Asian upbringing because you would bring shame on the family.

Like you succeeding is there a success. So for me, I am so laser focused when I want something. It's not that I don't, it's not, I don't say I don't give up because I think it's just, you just pivot. I'm just very quick and nimble to pivot and decide like, okay, this isn't working. I mean, my first business, I cold called Ron Popil. You guys, I don't know if you remember Mr. Microphone Popil pasta maker in the 90s. He was Godfather. other infomercials. And I decide to license his company because in Asia, Taiwan was a cash rich economy and everyone wanted American products. So I thought, great. I have access to American products and then buy the license and sell it there. And I would cold call. And I went to Kinko's

and made myself a little logo legend international, called myself the president. And I made little, and I would fax that office over and over. And finally, they called me. They said, if we give you a meeting with Juan, will you stop faxing every day? And I said, yes. So I walked in, you know, president of Latin. I'm 23 years old and he looked at me and he said, where's the president of this company? I'm like, that's me. And of course, took several more meetings, but he ended up selling me the licenses to six different countries for Asia for his company. Oh my gosh. It did well. It did well. It did well. And then I ended up buying Brick Shields Forever Shire panty hose license. This is all in my early 20s. And what do you do with it when you buy her panty hose?

Buying the license. She had this panty hose line. I bought the license and you would distribute all over Asia and then you pay the licensing feed. That's genius. That was my first entrepreneurial effort. And of course, before I turn 25, so any money you make, you spend it, you're like just doing stuff. And I, yeah. People don't realize how big those business are. We had a meeting randomly one day with Playboy of all people. And they were saying, they were telling us how big the business in China is. Just licensing the Playboy bunny and like the men wear Playboy suits. And it's like a huge thing. It's so different. Not even just like for the pictures, but like, Even L Magazine, that license.

You'll just see it on bags randomly. So you took her pantyhose and you brought it to China and you sold it as pantyhose under the brand name. Yeah. It was just, it was Brick Shields Forever Shear. It's called Forever Shear Panty Hoos. I brought it up to her when I finally met her in person not long ago. And she was like, oh my God, I forgot about that in the early 90s. And everyone loves a good pantyho.

They do. Like, let me tell you, the Hooters Tights. If you get Hooters Tights, that is such a secret. They hold everything in. They hold, if you're going to. Do a Halloween costume, go get a good panty hoe. Right. I'm telling you, those hooters tights, those girls.

Is it pantyho or hose? Hose. Hose. When is the first time in your life that you remember feeling really confident and comfortable in your skin? Was it your first business endeavor? Was it when you were in high school? I know that I can carve out my own seat. So I know I've created this seat and I know I belong there because I've made myself belong there.

But there's never that moment where I woke up and be like, okay, I'm confident in my own skin. it's always like, how do I improve? How do I get better? I'm just always, I always feel like there are hunters and gatherers, two different types to me. I'm a hunter. Explain the difference. So a gather is someone who's like happy to just like get everything together and they organize you and, you know, like in a couple, I always see there'll be someone who's a gatherer. And then I'm more of like a hunter. If I'm not hunting for something, I start hunting myself. So I'm constant. People's like, why are you so ambitious? Why do you have to keep? I'm like, it's not ambition or even the money that drives me. What drives me is like

the next goal, the next, because I don't, they're like, don't you just want to be like at peace and hang out? I'm like, no, that sounds so boring. That's not for me. I want to keep hunting. I love the excitement, love the thrill. And that's an entrepreneur. I crave that, like, I always say, because people always ask me, how do I start a business as successful as you have? I'm like, this is my 10th business. So I'm finally, success was not overnight. I'm in my 50s. But when I know something's going to work, it's when I am so crazy about it and makes me crazy. like teenage love. That's when I know that this is going to work. So after you did your Panny Ho's business, what was the next sort of thing that got you closer to bag snob? Well, I then got

burnt out because I'd been working, traveling all over Asia before I was 25. I was running these companies. And so then I, because I speak English and Chinese fluently back and forth, MTV Asia was launching MTV and they saw me. And so they just said, do you want to come in for a read? When I was 13, I got a job at Sam Giddy Music Store because I wanted to buy red bikini and no one. when my Chinese family's like, if you can buy it yourself, you can have a bikini. So I went to the mall and got a job at 13 years old. Resourceful. Sam Gidddy's vintage. I love, you know, I'm a problem solver. I don't run from problems. I see problems as like a way for me to be creative and like hunt and figure out the solution. So yeah, so when I went in for my reading, it happened to be MTV Classics

that was supposed to be the audition. But I nailed it. So they were like, we're going to air this. How do you know so much about music? And I go on us 13. I had a job at Sam Gitty Music store. So I know all about the classics, you know, so. It seems like you've like cherry picked all these different, like almost professions and put them together and mix it together. Isn't that funny? I've never, you know, I never let any opportunity. I see every experience for an opportunity for growth or just something. I talk to everybody. Even when I saw you at the backstage, Nordstrom, we in Seattle. Me, my best friend and I were dying when you got on stage because we were like, oh my God,

you just knew how to like massage the audience and like it was amazing to watch you on and off stage. Like you were the same person on stage, but it was like you had like this extra pizzazz, this extra sparkle. We were at Nordstrom, Seattle. Yes. And we were talking on stage about our products. No, but you know, we do, obviously we do like a ton of research before we do these shows. We have a lot. And one of the things that came up about you in that research is like the Nordstrom's thing is that they said like you worked your ass off and you like know how to work the room.

I get the perfume spray. I come out and spray them. Like, do you want to smell delicious? Make every man's mouth water? And they're like, but it's funny because I feel like probably a lot of that also comes from you being on the MTV. Yes. Like, I bet you have pulled things from that to go up on stage like that. But it also takes a certain bit of confidence to do that and work a room in a crowd like that.

Is it confidence or is it survival skills? I don't know. It's a mix. Yeah, I think it's a mix because I just, I knew that one. I got on MTV was fun. Also, it just sounded really fun. I always, I've been driven my entire life, my career. And when I was younger, there was this friend of mine who was like, life's not a he-he and a ha-ha. It can't always be fun. I said, yes, it can. Life is a he-he and a ha-ha. Life has to be a he-he-he-he and a ha-ha. He was a football player in my high school and I was always laughing.

He's like, why are you always laughing? I'm like, what's the alternative? Cry? Like, I want to have fun. So I think life is a he and a ha-ha. If anything's not fun like ERISA. If anything's not fun like ERISa. who's with me knows. If it doesn't sound like fun, I'm not going to do it. I don't blame you. Right? No, if it's not a fuck yes, it's enough. Exactly. Fuck yes. If you're having fun, that's like a surefire way to ensure that you're going to be good at it because you're having such a great time. Agreed. You launched a blog before anyone in 2000. 20 years ago. That's a long, my son just turned 21. He was a baby when I started it because I had a really hard time conceiving. had miscarriages. And when I had him, I thought, oh, my God, I can't go back to work because I was

working with my husband at the time. And I just thought, someone's going to steal my baby, eat my baby, drop my baby, take my baby. So I had to stay home. And I started this blog as a journal just to document my love of bags and fashion. And it resonated because back in 2005, if you Googled the Chloe Paddington bag or Chanel bag, my little blog would come up. Let's talk about some of the essential supplements we're taking here in the new year. we cannot live without Armour Colossum. Ever since Lauren and I interviewed the founder of Armour on this podcast years ago, it has been one of our staples, one of our go-toes.

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He might have been a little before me. Brian Boy. It was me, Brian, Susie Bubble. Okay. It was really the three of us and we're still, I, we talk all day every day. Still? Yeah. Oh my gosh, that's crazy.

We have this group chat. I love Brian Boy. Hi, Brian Boy. Like 2009? I didn't start until 2010. 2010. That's still early. 15 years ago.

It's still early. But you have five years before that. And people say that she was early. So you were really early. What was the bag that popped off for you? Chloe Paddington. That was the one. That was.

We had probably, I mean, tens of thousands of searches per day on that bag. Do you know what I love about this for you? I feel like it's a great way for you to get all the bags you wanted from your husband because it's work. That's what I used to say to him. I'm like, you have real estate. I have Birkins. This is my real estate. But bags and always funny because I was anonymous.

Because back then on the internet, it was really scary. Don't give you a real name. I never had I ever thought that I would say, I'm going to be at Norwich. Nordstrom and Bellevue Mall at 10 o'clock. Come and kidnap me. Because remember back in the day, the internet was a scary place. You didn't want to give out your real name. You didn't want to tell people where you were. It was just a different time. What was the big moment for bag snob?

Like, was it a celebrity recognizing what you were doing? What was your first big break? It was when Kate Moss, like the British really discovered us. And because they just loved our cheeky humor, we would take, oh my God, we were so mean about bags. We were just like, does no one see that this looks like a barfucket? Does no one see that this bag looks like. What bag looks like a barf bucket? This was the Louis Vuitton bucket bag.

And it was all these different pieces just put together, just looked like they pulled up scraps from the floor of the showroom. But Kate Moss, to some magazine, she said, bag snob is the best website and history of websites. And we popped off after that. British Vogue called. They're like, we want to do an essay on you. You've got to come out of anonymity.

And we just said, okay. And so that was the moment. And then how long do you do bags? snob before you decide to pivot? I did beauty snob within six months. I went, I flew to New York. I signed up for this Amex forum because I was always trying to like learn and I'm very curious.

I'm like, how did Bobby Brown? Because I love Bobby Brown. I love beauty. And she and what is that brand? Kate Spade and Andy Spade were doing this Amex forum in 2006. So almost a year after I launched, flew to New York and I sat there and I'm like, I got to launch beauty snob. And so I then did beauty snob.

Then I did couture snob. Then we did taut snob, shoe snob. I was running six blogs. Writing, I was writing all the blogs myself with my partner at the time, my college best friend. We had six blogs. People were like, do you do a blog a week? I'm like, I did six entries a day. That's so gnarly.

How would you do that? Would you just sit down at the computer and just write like? You know, with a baby. So the baby's napping. So I had time. I was like. And so now to this day he's in college. If he can't sleep, he opens his laptop.

The humming of the laptop just knocks him out. Oh my gosh, that's iconic. Is that funny? Oh my gosh, Michael, why didn't that happen to you when I was on my blog? Michael used to be like, get off your computer. No, because she would come home from bartending. And Lauren's got, she's got a- That's what I have to do.

You've got a heavy step and a heavy type. It's like a, it sounds like an old key, like an old key. Well, you have heavy things too. Crack, crack. Or even. That's funny. So when do you decide that you want to go from writing and blogging and everything that you're doing with fashion events and switch? You know, everything was so organic.

It's just these, like I said, opportunities. I go to places. I start talking to anybody. I will talk. I just talk to everybody. And this one person I was speaking to turned out, her name is Mindy Grossman. And she was actually in Dallas last night. She's like, we had to have dinner.

But she became, she had just become the president or CEO of HSN. And I just start, because no one else was talking to her at the show. So I just started talking to her. She didn't look like an influencer or one of these supermodels or whatever. But she just looks so interesting to me. She was like this confident woman. And she was like, I want this face on H.S.N. I was like, oh, I mean I should sell something.

Okay, this is good. So I started thinking. But what happened really, my first product line was with Donna Karen because we were totally trashing the bags. So D.K. and my PR girl tweeted at me, Elisa. Hi, Lisa. And she was like, haven't you ever taken a bad photo? That was just a bad photo.

I go, all right, send me another photo. Send me the bag. I'll like it. I send a backdrop. It's still an ugly bag. I don't like it. So finally I said, look, I'm never going to like your bags. Why don't you let me design one?

Because in my head, I wanted to learn what it took to design a bag so I could be a better, like, critic. Not for any reason. There was never like, I'm going to have a bag. It was just let me design it for you. I want to come to show where I could learn. And so she goes, okay, great, but it's not, we're not going to give you existing shapes. You're going to design them. Do you know how to design bags?

And I said, yes. I always say, yes. That's what you should always say. You should say, that's my specialty. Yes, and I'll figure it out. I say it all. I go, that's my specialty. Yes. I'm like, yes, I do. I'm the bag snob. She goes, okay, great. So I flew in. The whole team was waiting for me. Jeannie Kim, I think she was one who designed D.K. and Y for Donna. They all sat there like, okay, where's your inspiration board? I go, it's at the hotel.

I thought we would just sit down first and talk about this collection. Let's talk it through. They were like, okay, you're supposed to come with your board, your color mood. And I'm like, so I'm like listening. I'm like, okay. All right. So I went back to the hotel. did my mood and I came up with the five essentials. I said we should, every woman should treat their bag collection as a wardrobe. They should have five, because we're always buying the same black tote over and over and over again, right? Another black tote, another this, another Vuitton bag, whatever, which is great. So I said every woman should have a tote bag, a travel bag, a treasure bag, something really special, maybe exotic or just something that's special to you. A trendy bag because no matter how classic every year you want to be on trend and a clutch. So from there, you know, I built out this bag collection and then we pre-sold it. And and Nata Porte picked it up. They were just doing this for press. And I said, no, I'll sell these.

There's not a day that goes by my life that I'm not selling you something. I just sold my whole skin care line to your dad's neighbor. On the Malang bus. She was like, excuse me. Your skin looks really good. I'm like, oh, it's my skin care.

We started talking. She was, where are you going? I'm going to be on the skinny confidential. He was, oh, I know her. I'm friends with her dad. I go great. By the end of it. Daddy, go by my dad's Elk Pazole.

I know, that's farms at the farm is she told me San Diego. I don't even want a bag and I'm not the market. And as you were talking, I'm like, I kind of want that collection. Yeah, right? Yeah, I was like, I was interested in it. Like, this is how I, I'm very like, I'm very like, and my brain is like a computer. I think about how I should go about things and I build things.

And so not a day goes by where I'm not selling something. And I love selling. So we sold out of that entire collection before it launched at Netaporte. So can anyone get it now on like, it's gone? It's gone. It was, it was. So what I did was I did that. And then I did a denim collaboration because I,

I called it learning with OPM, other people's money. I was like, I let me just do all these collabs to see what my passions were. Because I wasn't sure if I wanted to have, you know, I didn't know if I even wanted any kind of brand of my own. So I did the bags. I did denim. I did a joy collection. I've done a lot of different collaborations.

But it was always skincare. That was like as I started aging. By the time I got into my 40s, I thought, okay, I don't want to do the lasers. I don't want to do certain things. I want to keep my skin healthy. I mean, you know, I was doing a little bow. I didn't start Botox. I was 45. I never touched my face. In my 20s, I was dancing on tables. I was too busy. We didn't have injectables in the 90s. Who were you dancing on tables with? Like your friends? And yeah, in Taipei when I went back there, it was so fun.

So when you decide to launch your skincare line and it's different than obviously fashion, how do you infuse the fashion into the skincare? Well, the reason I got into skincare also because of the beauty snob and then all these brands started calling me. They were like, you have really great skin, just say you use this. So I started working for so many brands. La Prairie. I was traveling with them, teaching master classes. Clay De Poe, I was an estate lauder ambassador. And that's when I realized, wait, this is what my passions are. I really just loved the beauty side of, you know, the beauty snobs. So we had all, by then we had writers and the blogs were just well-old machines. Then I had a business divorce from my partner. What's the business divorce? My bag snob partner. We just parted ways. Was it a good divorce or a bad divorce? It was a hard divorce. Not good or bad.

but it was hard because when you're best friends and then you're, you know, she was my son's godmother and now we don't speak. So, I mean, if I saw it, we would speak, but it just changes because I wanted different things. It's like a marriage. You know, you grow apart. We've been friends since college and as the business grew, I wanted certain things. And I was very ambitious. I wanted to do certain things. I saw it. Like, I am, I have the singular vision of when I want something, it's like the blinders are on. I don't listen to the noise because I know that my point of view, my singular vision. is my greatest asset. So if I allow any kind of noise in for trade, I'm never going to get to that goal. How can the audience do that in their own life? So I think what's really important is to know what you don't like. That's why I tried so many things. You know, it's kind of like a filter system. Try everything. Nothing is beneath you. Do everything. Try everything. If you want, if you really want that entrepreneurial journey, obviously get a great job. That's great for you. But if you want to be an entrepreneur and you want to know how to find your passions, first know what you don't like. Because once you filter that out and then you do, when you do discover what you love,

then you're like, this feels right. This feels good. And then set goals, but not like lofty, crazy goals that are so impossible. But goals, for me, it was always in six months I'm going to do this. In 12 months, I'm going to do this. People are like, where are you going to be in five years? Like, I have no idea. I'm barely figuring out the next six months. Like, I just see what's in front of me. And then I keep going. Obviously, like the overarching strategies in my head. But I don't. And I, I did this guest lecture, come be a business school, which I thought was so funny that I didn't get into there, but they asked me to come a guest lecture. So funny. Right? Yeah, that's amazing. And they're all with their notes and I said, oh, no, no, no, we're not, we're not doing that. I spent so much time

obsessing over business plans in my 20s when I should have been obsessing over what I was going to create. Obviously have a strategy, but I think have an easy deck and outline, but not, don't stress about your business plan. Number one, know exactly what it is that you love. And it's okay if you don't know, you'll figure it out. Try it. Try it first. There's nothing wrong with failures. I always saw failures as lessons. I mean, look, I've had so many companies, like, Bag Snob's no longer around because I pivoted. I don't call it a failure. I call it a pivot. Got to be nimble. And you figure it out. Like, look, maybe you're not going to find your thing until you're in your 40s like me, because Bag Snob's in my 30s. You Beauty was in my 40s. Now I'm in my 50s. And I'm having the best time

in my life because I just didn't. I just, I was resilient. Lauren's one of those lucky people that kind of knew her passion and what she wanted to do early. And I always struggle and I've said it on this show when people would come on and be like, chase your passion, chase your passion, because for me, it's similar to you. I had to do a bunch of shit that I was not clear about and many times didn't like. And it kind of slowly like stumbled. Pay the bills.

You know, like, this is great. But I don't, I'm not fulfilled. I don't feel it. But I think it's, I think sometimes entrepreneurs that know right away and chase it, they sometimes do a disservice saying like, oh, just chase your passion to do what you're because some people, like, if you don't know, that can be very confusing. Whenever I would hear that, I'm like, what the hell are you talking about? What does that mean?

So for me, it's about trying everything. Just try it. Just if there's an opportunity, take it. There's a reason things are put in your path. There's a reason for everything I feel. And I've led my life and my business really with my intuition. Because again, when you don't speak the language at that age, that pivotal age between eight to 10, and you're trying to figure out where you fit in in this world.

And then you're going to start going to that early puberty and all that stuff. So there's no shame I've learned in admitting your mistakes. And it's really like you can learn so much from them. I think that's great advice. There's a lot of forever students where they just want to be a student and they want to write the business plan and they want to read the books, but they don't want to actually execute the vision. But the other thing, like, and you just nailed it. Like, you're now into your 50s. Like we're moving into our 40s. And I like honestly can say 20s and 30s was just us like flailing around in the dark. Confusion. Yeah. And I think that's okay though. Yeah. I think sometimes especially young people. that have parents that put pressure or family or just people that put pressure, they think they need to figure it out 20s 30s. Or it themselves. First of all, like, nothing's as scary as that scary movie you're playing in your head. The loudest voice is generally your own. So make sure it's

telling you something really great and positive every single day. And look, there are people who are under 30 and become billionaires like Whitney, who used to live in Austin. He's a really good friend of I just talked to her yesterday. Her baby's so cute. But like, that's great. But stop compare. I think with social media now. There's so much pressure. Like my son just turned 21. He's like, I'm not where I want to be in life. And I go, what? Tell you. I was on the bar, like flashing guys at 21. I know. Me. I was dancing in a cage above a bar. I was on the floor under the bar. So there you go. There you go. There you go. Look at us now. But no, I mean, I really do, honestly, and I talk to Lauren about this all I really feel like we're just now finally getting started. Yes. And we've now been doing these

kind of things for two decades. And that's maybe strange for people to hear that aren't as far along. But we were kind of, like I said, we're just flailing around the early 20s and 30s. And I don't think you have to have it figured out there. And I think that society puts a lot of pressure on young people to have it figured out. Here's the other thing. And maybe this is wrong. But most young people that I encounter like 20s and 30s when they come to me for something, I don't take them as very serious. It's not that I don't think they're serious people. But I'm like, okay. Like it's like, you know what I mean? Like they become really serious the same way that I probably used to. Oh, yeah, we took ourselves so seriously. But people that have a little bit

more experience, like, I understand the phase of life they're in. Right. They're not there yet. And the thing is, I think when you're young, like, this is the time. If you're going to fall, fall in your 20s and 30s because you can take it. You can get back up. Don't be like, I'm 70 now. I'm going to finally take that chance. Like, obviously it's fine. You can always dream big, always. But I'm just saying if you are in your 20s and 30s and you want to take that step and you're scared to, like, do it. I thought there was so, I was like, if we face it. I was like, if we face it. then, but looking back, we had no kids. Yeah.

We had no mortgages. We had no health obligations. Didn't have to take care of any. I didn't have to worry because you just worried for me. Right. But the point is... Yeah, I just saw that I had the hit piece of hay in my tooth. But for the young people listening, like, I think it would be so liberating to go back to

then and be like, man, the worst thing that can happen is I can't afford the bar tower. Exactly. Or like, you know, I can't afford. And we would feel so embarrassed like, I don't want to let anyone know this didn't work out. This one didn't work out. Like, you get some of it. Or like you get kicked out of an apartment and have to go to a church house. cheaper one. Like now the stakes are higher when you have kids and a family. Right, right. Now it's all

about their comfort. Being able to give them, offer them a certain, you know, lifestyle and comfort and raise them in safety, security. It's, it's not easy raising them with social media either. I know. It's not easy. I tell, I try to tell my daughter, like, even when she like will peek over my shoulder, like, I want her to know it's a movie set. How old is she? She's five. Oh, I was going to say when she's about 10, I mean, a friend of mine gave me this contract. that I made my son sign and it was a real social media contract, what he'll do and not do when he's on his iPad. And he's like, I'm only 10. I'm like, it's okay. I'm going to sign for you.

I'm your guardian. He goes, okay. What did the contract say? It was just, you know, certain hours and how you're going to respect these boundaries. And if you didn't, then you're access to this. So it's never like, you're in trouble. Go to your room. I'm taking your iPad. So it's never like that. Like he knew. He knew if he messed up and he would test me. I'm like, well, you know what the contract say, oh yeah. So it's like really, I think I've always treated my son like a little person just because he lacked the language and experience didn't mean he lacked the intellect. So I would talk to him like this. And my friends are like, he is three years old. I said, he understands, don't you? And he's like, hmm?

It's very Asian mom of young. I'm going to make a contract with towns. There's a couple contracts I need to make a couple contracts with you. I'm not signing shit. And you're not my guardian. She's allowed to bully you. No, I'm not telling you. Well, she does a good job of it. Okay, we need to talk about the elephant in the room, which is your skin. Your skin, every time I've seen you, it's like just beautiful. Thank you.

It's not something like just so fresh and useful about your skin. Thank you. No fillers, which nothing wrong if you do, but I like to make people's skin so healthy that it'll hold their injectables longer. That's like my whole goal to give you healthy, dense skin. It looks healthy. It's dense and bouncy. Yeah, it's beautiful. And listen, I saw it when I was in Aspen, it was like in the pure sunlight. That was most incredible because you know how you'll see someone in the sunlight and it's like maybe like a lot of makeup. It's like your skin just like radiates. It's really cool. Thank you. I do a lot of stuff. Yeah. Let's get into that. Okay. So I do from the inside of obviously every morning I start with either pure olive oil or cod liverfish oil. Okay. Yeah, liver, fish liver oil.

You're drinking it or applying it? Drinking it. Okay, I got a roll. Straight in. I drink one spoonful. I switch off because I never let my body get used to anything. So I do the codfish liver oil, like I did that this morning. Yesterday I did the olive oil.

Do you have a brand of the codfish that you like? It's a Norwegian brand. I know what you're talking about. Yeah. Well, you text it to me. I know what you're talking about. And then every morning I have peak tea fermented green tea and then I do Shore Magic. Is it the Pereer one?

Yes, the Green Poir. I knew you were going to say that. So good. I had some of my back pocket. I have some in that bag. Okay, so you do your cod liver shot, then you do your peak green tea. Then I do green tea with the Shore Magic. There's only one ingredient.

It's hydrolyzed codfish skin, so it's pure marine collagen. And then I don't eat breakfast because when I moved to America, I was from, you know, we had hot breakfast. This looks cereals, pancake that didn't interest me. So I just, I didn't know, but I was doing fasting since I was young. And I think the main thing with good skin is you don't ever go up and down in your weight. I've been the same weight in size, unless, well, other than being pregnant my whole life since I was 13. Oh, I'm fucked. People are

going to love that tip. I'm fucked. I'm so fucked. No, you're not. No, you're not. I've had three kids and it goes up and down and all. That's pregnancy. That's pregnancy is different. It's different. No, your skin, you could tell there's collagen. Okay. Yeah, you look good. I hope so. Because I've really because it maintains the same shape consistently. Yeah. So it doesn't change the skin. It's really, really, especially now with the GLPs, there are people that really need it. But if you don't, don't take it for your five to

10 pounds. Like just... Because it drains the collagen from the skin. Yeah, it does. It really does. I don't know if that's the right scientific. No, what it does is that you lose the fat. Yeah. Quickly and then you don't gain it back when you stop taking it because that facial fat is so precious, so important. Yeah. I know what you're, it's definitely a certain look. Yeah. You do have to be, I feel like if you're going to do the gLP one, you've got to be eating that collagen. I think microdosing is what they recommend. Yeah. And there are certain people need it. They need it for their blood pressure. They for diabetes and stuff. But for your 5 to 10 pounds, I feel like just cut out the heavy dinners. It's so crazy how people off air are talking about the GLP one. Now, like, we'll go to dinner

with someone and it's literally like they said I got my eyebrows waxed now. It's not a big deal. Like they call, I mean, I love microdosing, but I don't, I like it. But here's the thing that I would say. So we know, I mean, a lot of people are doing this and no shade on anyone. No, no, no. And we have a lot of friends and I'm all for it. But I do think that what you're touching on here, is with anything, but I always say with this is anything, there's always a price to pay somewhere else. Right?

So like maybe you lose that five to ten pounds and maybe you're blood pressure, but now you've also maybe changed your face. I think the main thing is moderation. If you are going to do it, microdose, like they say, like safely in moderation. Homeostasis is my favorite,

favorite word ever. And it's just about maintaining a balance. That's just the way the Chinese culture is, is fine Japanese culture. They're finding that balance. And that's what with you beauty, everything's about finding that pH balance in your skin, finding that homeostasis, because I had created so much cosmetic confusion.

I was, you know, being beauty snob, repping this brand and that brand. And next thing, you know, I had this 13-step routine, 25 products in the morning, you know, 25 more at night. And it was just my skin had the worst rosacea. I had eczema. It was all caused by these external products. And I couldn't use retinol. I couldn't use any kind of active ingredients.

And as I was getting into my 30s, I'm like, this, this, something's got to, like, give. if I was working with so many different brands, trying to find a better way. I just knew that there had to be a better way in that simplicity and performance should and could live in the same bottle, but I couldn't find it. And there were so many brands that said, let's do a collab. I'm like, okay, I love collaborations. And that they wouldn't let me develop any, they were just like, no, no, the serum's done. We just want you to sell it and say you made it. And I would say, no, I'm not doing that. If I ever were to do a skincare brand, I would have to be the one in the lab developed. It would have to be my ideas. I would have to be the one doing everything. And my

business partner, she's married to one of my good friends, and she told me about this medical grade lab in Italy. They had been developing a molecule that mimics a healthy skin cell, and we could pack it with anything. And if you think about right now, when you're putting active ingredients, the reason we get irritation is because the active ingredients are blindly pushed all over your face. Only the damage needs it. Only the free radicals need. But your healthy skin cells suffer that collateral damage. They really, in order for it to reach it. So imagine, like, you're trying to get oil into your oil gasket. I'm going to explain it in the way that mic one. But instead, you're putting oil all over that engine hoping to drop skin that oil

gasket. So you're destroying the engine while you're doing it. But with our technology, I call it like a GPS system because we mimic a healthy skin cell. It's made of the exact same polyunsaturated fatty acid as your skin. So free radicals are magnetically attracted to it. They attack it thinking it's a healthy skin cell. When they penetrate through that molecule, it bursts open, releasing active ingredients only where your skin has the oxidative damage, only treating the damage, bypassing your healthy skin cells. In the last 10 years,

I started this journey eight years ago, my friends have were like, you're aging backwards. They're like, and I know it's not anything you can get from, you know, at the doctors. Like, it's like the skin you had when we were kids. What are you wearing on your skin right now?

You beauty, the skin tint. But what's underneath it? That's what I'm more curious about. You beauty, I've got on our new smooth wrinkle defense. I don't say anti-aging because I feel like that is so degrading. Anti-aging is like low vibration. Yeah, low vibration.

And for me, because I had had, you know, I was, I had a cancer scare right before I launched U-Bewty, a pre-cancerous tumor was discovered. And it was like, I'm like, I can't be sick. I told my doctor. I'm like, I'm launching a skincare brand in. That's how my brain works. I'm like, it's September 21st. My brand is launching November 1st.

How do we fix this? Where did they find that? In my uterus. So what did you do? I just opted for a full hysterectomy. And was that tough? It was, but at the same time, it was like, I was so, like, again, I'm like, I've got to get there. So this is a problem.

The best, I talked to three different doctors. I called the doctor in M.D. Anderson at the time in my late 40s, they were like, you're not going to have any more kids. Like, there's no reason to keep that. And I say, okay. Do you feel the same? Yeah, I feel great. You feel great. Well, I'm also on hormone pellets.

I'm on bioidentical pellets that I get from Dr. Sondri. Does that hurt? No. It doesn't hurt. No. So like they put a needle in and then they put it in. They inject you with a numbing solution. I go to Dr. Chris Asandra in L.A. and he then puts in the pellet. And it's just like you don't even feel it. So you have to go back to what you're, they're bioidenticals. Bioidenticals. Yeah. You have to go back to what you're wearing under your skin. You said, you said the wrinkle, the skin tin. And I'm so ADD. I'm like, what am I talking about? Where am I? So don't worry. I'm all wait. Michael's like, what are they talking about?

I know. I understand. I'm keeping up. I'm keeping up. I understand. I understand. So I've got the smooth on and then, because it has copper peptides, which I'm obsessed with, I inject that every six months for 60 days. And then I have on the super hydrator, which Jen Aniston's obsessed with.

So is Demi Moore loves the body hydrator. Like, people love the hydrator because it really penetrates deeply. And that's what you brought me. That's what I brought you. And then I have multimodal defense, which is a buttered bomb with SPF. And then I have my super tinted. It's a tint. You don't have any other makeup besides the tint.

I have a little blush stick, a Korean bluish stick. But it's not like you have like a bunch of foundation. No, no, I don't have foundation on. Wow. There's no foundation. You know who her skin looks like? Stacey Christie. Can I tell you something?

You said you don't use retinal? I do now. You do now. Encapsulated. And because of our encapsulation, the retinal is only going to be released where your skin has oxidative damage. So I don't get rosation anymore. I'm very specific about the retinal.

The one that I likes alpha red. Should I try yours? Yes. Okay. And stop everything else. I don't use retinol besides alpha red. I don't like it on my skin. I don't like how it looks. Yeah. But I will try yours. Our resurfacing compound is our first product. It's eight serums. And when that's why I started this journey, when she told me about this technology, I was like, okay, this sounds like sci-fi. I've been, so many skincare brands have made promises and no brand. At that point, I just knew there hasn't had any real encapsulation technology since like the 50s or 60s. It was the same titration, time release, all of it. So with, ours, it's like your skin finally takes control of your skin care. My son was 13. He was on so much trinanoine. His skin was so dry. And then he was get this cystic acne because the oil glands go into overdrive underneath. So the upper skin gets overdrive from the harsh chemicals that he was putting on. And then beneath the oil glands would go into overdrive. So we're in Taiwan. And he's like,

oh, I forgot my medication for my doctor. And I saw, I have the resurfacing compound. And he's like, you're not a doctor, mom, but he took it. I never saw it again. So I just knew. I just knew. I'm like if a 13-year-old, I mean, we don't sell, this is not for teenagers, but my son was, you know, I only had that one child and he was testing it out with me. And it changed his skin. What if he made you sign a contract to give him half? I know, right? What being my giddy tag? Out of all your products, what's Kathy Hilton's favorite, Chris Jenner's favorite, and Lauren Sanchez's favorite?

Lauren, oh gosh, Lauren loves it all. She loves the new smooth. Kathy, probably the neck. Okay. Nikki, the neck as well. Paris loves the barrier. Loves. Chris has used the eye cream before. Courtney, Courtney loves the plasma. And Jen loves, like, super, the plasma. All issues. So a lot of celebrities are just obsessed. Yeah. What were your sales like when you launched? Was it bigger than you thought? Has it taken a while to grow? What's been the vibe? Well, when we were launching with just one product in my head, we didn't even have a business contract. I just said, let's just make the best product. Let's not. we talked about that. I told Katie, I said, I'm still going to keep working with the brands as an

ambassador because for the first time I was writing a check. I was no longer playing with other people's money. So she and I wrote checks and we took a line of credit from the medical grade clinic and the resurfacing compound, which is eight sermons in one, has vitamin A, which is the retinol, vitamin C, and it has vitamin E, and it's got AHAs, glycolics, and peptides, and it has with chasel, so it's also your toner. And all of it in one, everyone's said, that's crazy. That's not going to work. Because in the past, if you used a retinol with vitamin C at the same time, it was like George Costanza, like two worlds colliding, you're just going to blow up into some rosacea or some sort of rash. But because of our encapsulation and

the delivery system, we were able to combine everything together. And you will see results in two to three days because we're just really focused and precisely delivering to where your skin needs it. And that's the hydrator or the resurfacing? The resurfacing compound. Men love that problem. Because they get it. It's a serum. They put on. They go to bed. Don't do this because now he does this all the time. He does this do it. No, you should see he has my fucking guisha hair brush. Oh my God.

He has my hair. He has my high frequency. It's insane. Because he has a whole routine. What is this? He uses my hair frequency or my high frequency wand. He's over there with my beef tallow chapstick. He has my colostrum cream.

He's been very like, oh no, I know. He's like loves it. He wants like the technology. It's insane. He has my flosser that I use. But you know. He uses my brow. Peptide, it's insane.

What brow peptide? I got to give you something. I do castor. I want to use that. It's castor oil. Oh my God, I love castor oil. It's organic, cold-pressed castor oil with a peptide in it. I love that.

I have to give you one. So I put it in my belly button and I put a patch and then a heating cloth or some sort of heating things. So that goes into your liver, goes into your organs. It's good for you, right? Yes. And I make my own probiotic suppositories. What? Because your gut, your gut destroys all of your probiotics before it reaches the lower gut.

Okay, hear me out. The lower gut is where all of the serotonin is made. So all the depression, all the microbiomes that we had a million years ago, most of them are gone from, you know, modern food and the packaged foods, processed foods that were eating. So I met this acupuncturist, and he was telling me how he cured himself of colon cancer, making these suppositories. So we figured out, so I buy it from a lab, and it's got like 250 billion CFUs.

And then I use the delivery system I like this. cacao pure cacao butter so i melt that down to room temperature then it's very specific i buy these molds and i have this whole like lab set up then i the room temperature cacao butter i put into each little suppository mold and then i get the powder and i have this little colander thing and the powder goes in there and then i fill more of the room temperature cacao butter and then i put in the fridge and then it hardened to a little bullet suppository so is it like a penis mold that you're doing it's a little suppository it looks like bullets so why do you need a dick size It's like this big. It's like the size of my pinky.

What's going on with you? I've seen a penis that big, so don't put that past. It's a micro penis. It's not pretty. It's not Michael. Disclaimer, it wasn't mine. It's not Michael. God, Christ.

I do it for, take six days. It wasn't a celebrity. Six days. We're going to need that name. Six days. So it takes six days to repopulate the microbiomes. And I do it once a month for six days. And because of my pre-cancerous tumor they found,

I was forced to do a colonoscopy in my late 40s. So they discovered, I think, five to eight polyps that were precancerous. Then I had to go back three years later. And now I just did mine. And then again, it was like five to six polyps. And so this time I went back this past summer. And she was like, not a single polyp. What have you been doing?

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Plug it in. Tina, I'm going to start with the oil first. Well, you don't want to support my way up to your suppository. Wait, I'm going to send you guys some. I was going to branch even. It needs to refrigerating. I came online. I will, like, die if you send me a cooler of suppositories. I will love it.

I will do a fucking tutorial on it. Yes, it's so good. You don't understand because that night, the first night will be painful because it's killing off the bad microbiomes. Like, your stomach will hurt. By the third night and you wake up that fourth morning, usually second or third fourth morning is, you know, that when you get that first state feeling the butterflies in your stomach, I feel that like out of the blue for

no reason. I'm just like, because. I'm sure Michael, they throw that stertone. Yes. How many days do you have to do it in a row? Just six days. And you literally just pop it in your butt? At night, laying on your left because the colon dips that way. So you lay on your left and you put it in the- Tina, I would never lay on my right side. That's why if my back is to you every night because I will never lay on my right side. What's wrong with your right side? It's really bad for you. Have you not noticed I always lay on my left side? You gotta lay on your left side. Explain to the audience. Well, it's the way the organs are,

because when you're doing it, this way, you're crushing a lot of the weight. So it's this way. You've been crushing your organs for the last. You know why? I used to lay to the left side, but our son runs into our bed now. So you don't want to break your nose.

I know. And this guy's got like, a bowling ball of a head. I don't know what's going on with him. He swings this thing. He's smart. Bigger head, bigger brains. You get a broken nose if you lay with this kid.

So I go the other way now. Bigger brains. Bigger right. It's not the hands. I'm just kidding. So I need to lay on my left side and how often do it? And I buy these, you know, then you use, I'll send you gloves. Okay.

And then you just stick it up with the glove and you throw it. And then you lay there and you go to sleep. Just go to sleep. But for how, like, how often do you do this? Is it once a month? Once a month. Once a month. And initially. Now I've cut it back because I'm in a good place.

So now I probably do it every two or three months. How did you know to do this? The acupuncturist who. Just the acupunctious. Yeah. And then I studied. But how did you know to like mix the cacao? And then I just, I just, you know me.

I'm like so. analytical it's a problem like solving I'm like okay how do I do this at home because I don't want it because he was talking about like animus I'm like I'm not doing that I'm not let me see your chat GPT history that's going on we're just going to say let me see a butthole we're not there yet guys I am dating someone I don't just invite guests on the show she has a boyfriend I'm dating someone throuples are not my thing I do I do bet your chat GPT history is quite the um chat going on it's quite the chat going on there is I'm always like delete delete delete no more memories You know what's scary now is I think they can like, can't they like, don't they use that data or keep it?

If you let them. Yeah, if you let them or something. I asked it the other day. I said, you better not be sharing my data with anyone. I talked to it like a friend and it says it will never do that to me. I talk to it. I swear to God, I talked to it for like an hour about sharing my data. I'm like, I don't want this anywhere.

You know what's so funny though? I use a different name for login. And then when I ask questions, I change all the names. Like, so this guy I'm dating, you know, Robert or whatever. I make up a name. so never knows who I am. My latest favorite is when he does something that annoys me, I go to it and I say,

this is what my husband's doing, it's all his fault, I don't know what to do, I need to get a class to message that's really clear. Can you please give me something that's straight to the point? It's helped me respond to you a lot. What was your last prompt about?

Well, I had to take accountability at one point because it asked me what I did. Oh my God, I love it. I talked to chat GPT more than I talk to you. friendship, like advice giver, all of it. I love it. And I get mad at it and I say, I don't think you're working hard enough today. Like, I like literally, like, I'll like go on and tell it.

Like, I have to do this, this, this, this, this today. How do I do it make it make sense for someone who has ADHD? And it like gets to work. Do you have it or does he? I have it. I think all three of us have it. He's like, what do I do if I have a gray hair? I'm not asking it questions like that.

You know what I asked it today? I'm like, my husband came into the room last night. And you will never guess what he said. I will talk to it like a friend. Like a best friend. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I love it. I did that. I asked it today.

I was trying to learn about condoms. What? Well, because now we have all these kids. I'm not doing a condom. Well, I've got to, but you also don't do birth control. Well, we could do the rhythm. But I said, what is the... How many year three now, right?

Yeah. Yeah. I was like, what is the, like, the thinest best... Four is the whole, like, golf, you know. What does it say the thinest best condom is Michael's sweet? Something called skin, S-K-Y-N, and I heard of it. So I got a look into it. I'm not going to do that.

You know, clearly what they call the kids. So now I'm trying to put that out. You don't want that in you. No, I don't want a condom. I'm not putting a condom on. No. Use it to beat your meat upstairs. I'm not doing that.

Yeah, she's not doing that. The condom's like putting like a bag over your head and doing push up. Okay, well, then to stop. Chat TBT's like, ooh, you pervert. Get away from me. Yeah. There's other things you can do. Just, you know, the old fashion, the moon, the lunar cycles.

Yeah, Michael. Don't do it on a full moon. She doesn't know how to look at her cycle. No, I'm not a big look at my cycle to kind of gal. She tells me to figure it out. But chat GPT. Yeah, that could be your next problem.

I just ask chat about that. No, the problem is, is like, listen, at past three kids, if you get to four, then you're starting to really get up against it. And it's like, you know, what are we going to do? Just you got to be careful here. You're going to be careful. Yeah, you're going to have to take that to chat GPT.

I can't take it on. Ask chat GPT. But I studied it and I realized the best like delivery system would be, because all that delivery. delivery system ever since I became this U-V-D journey learning that's smart yeah because the cacao butter can melt in your body temperature quickly okay and make sure you only well I'm gonna make it for you but anyone who wants to do this you know disclaimer I'm not a doctor I'll show would you send me a big cooler of suppository stuff whenever anyone any of these

so-called journalists write pieces on us they say woo-woo health misinformation they're going to get a hold of this conversation and be like Michael and Lauren are talking about Cacao up your ass. With cacao up your ass. And Tina told us to do it. And chat TVT tells us what to do. Well, because that reaches the lower gut. My friends were telling me I was crazy a couple years back when I was doing, we started it.

Then they went to Sun Valley. They're like, all the tech CEOs are saying, oh, the best way to take all your meds is, I'm like, straight to the source. Bypasses your gut. Because your gut acid will kill all of that probiotic before it even reaches your lower gut. You should do a U Beauty suppository. I'm not joking. Imagine the liability is a lot. Well, I think you'd crush it.

But you know, we do have white papers published on our technology. Tell me about the four Cs. Oh, I love the four Cs. So I really, again, it's like the five essentials with your bag collection. And so I'm like, how do I make skin care so that everyone can be well versed in it? Because it gets confusing, daunting. And you end up buying things because you want your salesperson to like you at that counter. You know?

It's like we end up buying everything because we want to be accepted because it's like community. When you go to these places and go shopping with girlfriends, you get pressure into doing things. So I thought, okay, this is how we're going to do. Cleanse. Okay. Compound, which is our eight serms compound into one. Okay. Cream, which is your eye cream, your super hydrider cream, and the oils, any of the hydrations.

And then cover. The cover during the day should be your SPF, whether it's mine or someone else's. The cover at night could be the oil or our barrier sleep mask, which is like an occlusive cover that holds in all the hydration. And it's been clinically shown to really redensify the skin, keep it healthy and thicker. And again, I'm all about just keeping that homeostasis because I'm obsessed with immortal jellyfish. And when I was 18, when I was 18, I haven't tan since I was a teenager. I was so tan. When I put on TikTok, people were like, ma'am, that is your mother. How do you look younger in your 50s and you looked older at 18?

Because it used to be in to put the Playboy Bunny on the lower hip and the tan and the makeup and the hairspray, one can of aquifer every week. So I've been trying to reverse the damage ever since. And so my grandmother would take me for these jellyfish stem cell treatments. Like they would just put on my face and microneedle and all that stuff. So I told my, this is how I talked to my biochemist. I'm like, you need to bioengineer immortal jellyfish because you can cut it in half. They'll grow a new tentacle. They'll grow a new head. It is the only organism on this planet that's been alive for millions of years. So it is able to take damaged, damaged adult cells. and revert it back to nascent, healthy stage.

So I said, I need a product that does that. And they said, huh? But now they're used to me. But, you know, I'm like, I want invisible shapeware for my arms, which is now our sculpt arm compound. And just the way my brain works, I want certain products. And I just tell them. And now they just go, okay, we try.

We'll try it. Because they know I just keep asking them, you know, because I won't give up. And I also like your lip compound a lot. Yes. That's where I fell in love with your brand is through the lip compound. It feels really nice on the lips. I would definitely recommend that you guys try the lip compound because even looking at your lips, if you watch the YouTube, she has like these beautiful, it's like very healthy lips. Do you know what I mean?

Like there's no fine lines or wrinkles and this compound. It holds in hydration. So I found out that every single day we lose 15 to 20 percent of hydration. So when I was younger, I had great lips. And as I got older, they started thinning out. And I was trying to figure it out. So I researched it. And it's because we're constantly losing hydration. So with our technology, because of our encapsulation, the siren capsule mimics a healthy skin cell so it's able to penetrate the skin deeper. And once it's beneath the skin's level, then it's in the presence of free radicals. Free radicals are able to penetrate through that capsule, releasing hyalronic acid molecules beneath the skin's top layer, acting as a breech, a plug for the barrier breaches.

There I go with the word plug. It's my favorite word. I'm kidding. But it also is a water source for your skin to drink from. So the plasma lip compound is not just, it's not a lip balm. It's not a lip gloss. Can he wear it or no? Yes, guys. That's what I made the gray one because our investor, our investors, it used to be pink and he was like, can we get a different color? I pulled this out. Yeah, like, we'll try it. So we were the first, business of fashion, right, that we were the first to do the metal tip to the lip obsession.

Because I always felt like the lips were the most neglected part of the face. We spent hundreds of dollars on eye creams and face creams. And then we're like, oh, just put on this lip bomb from CVS. But dries your skin out or it has Vaseline and air petroleum. Or some, is it petroleum? Not petroleum. Well, what I was worried about too with the lips was before those lip plumping products, what they do is they kind of increase circulation.

So they, you get like stimulated. So it appears plumber, but it's actually very damaging in the long run because it gets more dry. And then you're like, wait, they're more chapped than before. Right. Now I got to buy something else to hydrate it. It was like this never ending cycle of getting more and more products. Whereas ours, my only intention is to make the skin the healthiest it can be because it's my face. Is this a woman's product that I just put on?

No, it's unisex. It's unisex. That's why it's called you beauty because your skin, your skin is totally different from Lauren's skin and my skin, but your skin will take charge and only release active ingredients where you need it, where you have free radical activity. That's like, that's why it's called you beauty. Also, you have skincare on every part of your body and you never do the lips. We always look like that, and then we go, oh, look at my lips.

And no one likes cracked lip. No one likes it. It also treats the vertical lines. It's instantly smoothing and it has peptides in there. I spent a lot on that lip. The research, my partner was like, you want a lip compound? And we kept testing. It's great.

And I kept saying, let's just keep testing. Oh, but to go back to when we launched, we didn't have a contract between the two of us. I was so tunnel vision to making the best product I couldn't find that had all the ingredients in there that could give me that glass skin. So when we were finally ready, we had 100 testers like Diet Prada, Candice, Swanipool, Nikki, Paris, all these. Joanna Check. we had beauty editors from publications testing it for me and finally no one had any sort of reaction because my partner was like are we going to just keep going? I said yes it got really expensive and then she said do you think you could sell this amount in a year and I said yeah I can't

she goes well because you know we've worked with people in the past we had millions of followers they couldn't even sell a thousand and I go I got this I'll sell it in a year we sold out within 21 days of launch wow and this is me after getting my hysterectomy I rested for I got on October 1st. I rested till October 21st. I got on the road, started traveling. I was hosting events and dinners and launches. Kathy did one at her house for me. And then by we launched November 1st, by November 21st. I got a call and they said, we're completely sold out. Get off your Instagram live right now. You were selling it on Instagram live. And Netaporte. They were our only partner because one of the buyers had tried it and she goes, my skin changed like in two days. She said,

I want to sell this. Like, oh, no, we're not doing retail. Are the products at Kathy's Pajama Party? Yes. Are you going? I'm supposed to go. I won't get the date. I won't be there. I'll send all the...

You will be there? You will be there? No, I won't be in L.A. But next time, I have to go to Kathy's Pajama party. It's so fun. But I want to go when you're going. Let's go to her holiday party. The most impressive person you've ever met is at Tom Cruise.

I saw a picture with you at Tom Cruise. What? And I got to think that that's number one. I've met him several times. That's not my number one. I've been trying to find the connectivity. You kind of. You kind of look away.

Oh, no, Tina, no, no, no. Is it the hair line? You know what? I was trying to think. Christian Bail married Tom Cruise and had a baby. I think that that's. With a little bit of Asian in him. I think that's the top of the heap is Tom Cruise, I think.

Hmm. You disagree. I was going to say you guys, but okay. Aw. No, no, no. I was thinking career longevity. World phenomenon. I can't go on this.

Lord gets on this. Yeah, it's like enough. Is that your man crush? Okay. I think so. Have you met him yet? No. Do you want to?

Yes. Okay, come to the next movie. I will leave Lauren if you can introduce me right now. Leave her. Leave her for Tom? Probably. I could use a break. Okay, you beauty.com, you guys, Tina gave you code skinny for 20% off.

I would say to definitely, definitely get this lip compound. And what I'm excited about trying, I can tell you right now is the one that has all of it in it, which is the resurfacing compound, right? Yes, eight serums and one. Okay. Up to eight products. That one looks amazing, but I feel like you can't go wrong with your line. You can't go wrong. And they're made to go with all your current existing routines because it's different from everything out there.

That's another thing. I always say it has to be different because if you don't have anything different, why am I launching something that's already in existence? No, what you've done is incredible. I'm such a fan. I'm also just such a fan of your career and everything we've done. You're great on a mic. You can come back anytime you want. This is so fun.

Where can everyone say hello, ask you questions? Go to at you beauty. And what if they want to follow you on Instagram though? At you beauty or at Tina Chink Craig. You got some fun pictures. I got some fun. Yeah. You were the royal wedding.

I mean, they needed to go like, go check out her page, guys. She was at the royal wedding. Well, there was the Prince, Prince Borgesi's wedding. And then the wedding wedding wedding, the wedding. Were they both amazing? They were both amazing. Imagine it was the same month. How do you have the energy to run around all these things?

Oh my God. I just wake up so happy and excited because my serotonin. I don't drink coffee. I'm self-c caffeinated. When I get these suppositories, look out. I'm going to be shoving shit up my ass on my left side. Imagine if I give me somebody to post stories. No.

No, do not give him one. He already has too much energy. I'll be flying. Tina, thank you for coming on the show. Thank you. Thank you for having me. For all you beauty products, make sure you use code skinny. Just go to youbeauty.com and use code skinny and you can shop the site.

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