The Bossticks - Vanderpump Rule's Tom Schwartz & Katie Maloney-Schwartz On Life On Reality TV, Reality TV Relationship Dynamics, & What Happens Off Camera

Episode Date: June 14, 2021

#365: On today's episode we are joined by Vanderpump Rules stars Tom Schwartz and Katie Maloney-Schwartz. Tom and Katie join us for a him and her interview and discuss what life is like on reality television. We also discuss how the couples relationship has evolved since the show began and what really happens off camera.  To connect with Katie Maloney-Schwartz click HERE to connect with Tom Schwartz click HERE To connect with Lauryn Evarts click HERE To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM Check Out Lauryn's NEW BOOK, Get The Fuck Out Of The Sun HERE This episode is brought to you by The Skinny Confidential  The Hot Mess Ice Roller is here to help you contour, tighten, and de-puff your facial skin and It's paired alongside the Ice Queen Facial Oil which is packed with anti-oxidants that penetrates quickly to help hydrate, firm, and reduce the appearance of fine lines and wrinkles, leaving skin soft and supple. To check them out visit www.shopskinnyconfidential.com now.  This episode is brought to you by GoMacro All GoMacro bars are made from simple, high-quality ingredients and are Certified Organic, Vegan, Gluten-Free, Kosher, Non-GMO, C.L.E.A.N., R.A.W.,& Soy Free. Visit www.gomacro.com and use promo code SKINNY for 30% and Free Shipping on all orders over $50. This episode is brought to you by Policy Genius  Spring is springing as we speak, and it's the perfect reminder to tidy up and get your life in order. Why not start by protec6ng your family with life insurance? Policy Genius makes it easy to compare policies from as little as 15 dollars a month. You might even be eligible to skip the in-person medical exam. Go to www.policygenius.com to get started! This episode is brought to you by BEV Bev is a female-first canned wine brand that was founded to change not only the way a product is consumed, but the way an industry and culture have operated for generations. Their wines are dry, crisp, and a lil' fizzy, super refreshing and delicious. They have ZERO sugar and only 3 carbs and 100 calories per serving. We've worked out an exclusive deal. Receive 20% off your first purchase plush free shipping on all orders. Go to www.drinkbev.com/skinny or use code SKINNY at checkout to claim this deal.  Produced by Dear Media 

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The show is what keeps everyone else's, you know, shit moving. And so to not get bigger than that or to get bigger than anyone else and like to keep, you know, some kind of sense of camaraderie. But it is an ensemble. And when we're filming, yeah, people manage their egos. and, you know, again, there's an unspoken rule, sometimes spoken, that you just, you know, you put it all out there. You don't censor yourself. And while we're filming, all is fair and love and Warren. You made it, everybody. You fucking made it. Another Monday in the books ready to go, fired up. We got a little him and her action on both sides of the table today. My name is Michael Bostic.

I'm a serial entrepreneur and brand builder most recently, the CEO of the Dear Media Podcast Network across from me, my wife, Lauren Everts, Bostick. And today, Hey, we're joined by another power couple that we had a lot of fun with. And raise your glass, Michael Bostic, because let's do a fist pump with some goat cheese balls. Fuck, we have Katie and Tom from Vanderpump Rules on the show. Katie is a podcast or two. You're going to love me.

Her podcast is on Dear Media, which is so exciting. And Tom owns Tom Tom Tom, which Michael will not take off the hat that Tom gave him. Listen, I rip Tom Tom, Tom, and it's a great hat. And any company, listen, I like Tom Tom's hats. I wear that because it's a good hat. Our new sponsor, Pete and Jerry's, love their hat. If you send me a good hat that fits my head well because I got a weird shaped small head,

then I'll wear the shit out of it. Yeah, it's kind of like a micro head. It's not, I mean, listen, it's like a seven and one fourth. That's the thing. It's good thing. Your head doesn't match your head. Well, listen, I don't got that big melon you got, you know, like, I don't know what's going on there.

I don't have a big melon. It's weird that they were able to squish such a massive brain into such a small head, huh? All right. I'm excited about this episode. So I met Katie on Instagram. She actually was so cool and shouted me out on Stasi's podcast about how she liked following along. I followed her. We started talking. And then we ended up going to the same Pilates studio. Shout out to Parker Pilates. Betsy is amazing. And Katie and I both still go to Betsy. I go on Skype. And then when I'm in L.A. and Katie goes in person. And what I feel is. found about her, especially because I know her better than Tom, is that I think she's so misunderstood. The show paints her one way. And in person, she is so kind. She's soft-spoken. She's smart. She's thoughtful. She's stoic. She's a listener. She doesn't just talk to talk. And she's absolutely lovely. Yeah. And you know, I met Tom in a strip club. We were both having lunch on a Tuesday there for the

brisket and we looked over and we just really got along. The labia brisket sandwich? They're going to create a head. I'm going to create a problem for these two. They're going to create a headline saying Tom Schwartz in strip club with Michael Bossus. I'm just kidding. I'm just fucking around everybody. I didn't do that. That'd be a pretty cool story though. I mean, that sounds fun. Get a tuna fish sandwich and a little labia brisket. I had a friend in high school that would go to the strip club every day for lunch, which is why I was saying, I mean, listen, he's a he's a whole other story of that guy. But what kind of person goes to strip club for lunch? Honestly, I love the strip club.

Like, I love the strip club. Yeah, but you know, I don't know if you've been there during lunchtime. It's like a... That sounds fun. It's a little bit, it's not the same energy as it is at night. And you're, and you're thinking about the ones in Vegas where you can part of it. It's, it's a little darker at the time. No, I think it would be like calm energy, like some dancers and we can just have like a

sandwich. I didn't mean, I think the strip club during lunch sounds like amazing. Tom, I'm sorry if there's a headline that says you were in the strip hub at lunch. I promise if they call me for fact checking, I'll say it's not true. Okay. Wink, wink, buddy. I really enjoyed this. interview with Tom and Katie. I have not seen them be interviewed on a him and her perspective like

this. And they spill some juice. The show is being filmed right now. And I'm just so excited for you guys to hear this episode. Little background on Tom and Katie before we get into it. Tom Schwartz was an actor. He then starred on Vanderpump Rules. And now he is the co-owner of Tom Tom Tom in West Hollywood, which is a delicious restaurant. He's obviously very entrepreneurial and he's going to be on the next season. And then Katie Maloney is his wife. She is a reality television personality on Vanderpump Rules. So many people love her. They're obsessed with her. She also is a podcaster. Her podcast, like I said, is called You're Going to Love Me, and it's with Dear Media. So definitely check it out. Go support her. And she just launched merch. And you guys, there's this lilac hoodie that is so cute.

Betsy was wearing it, and I went and immediately ordered it to support her. I really, really enjoy both of them individually and as a couple, and I am so excited to welcome them to the skinny confidential, him and her show. This is the skinny confidential, him and her. Do you find it weird that Michael and I come to you guys and say we're such big fans? Do you think your audience is like younger, older, mid, or is it just all over the place? I'm in. I want the juice.

I got a lot of questions. Whoa, you're dialed in. Are you all caught up? I'm all caught up. That's a lot of baggage. Do you need a hug or something? No, I mean, do you need a hug? I need a hug.

It is all over the place. It's literally grandmas, young girls, husbands, single men, I mean, across the board. Chrissy Teigen? Chrissy Teigen.

Were you freaking when you saw that? Yeah, we got a lot of love over the year from Chrissy. I'm not sure if she still watches, but there was a while there. She showed us a lot of love on Twitter, which she recently deleted. God bless, Twitter is a toxic.

Wasteland. I'm not a fan. It's a mess in there. What is it like for a reality television star when your show comes out and you go on Twitter? Because I wouldn't even go because it's too much of a war zone. The masochistic side of you wants to go look. Yeah. Like in seasons one, two, three, four, we did five maybe even. I used to get wine drunk and go on Twitter and just have a feel day.

She had a ritual. It's dark. What would you do to yourself? Tell him, Bob. Well, I would just make examples out of people. people. I don't know. Like you would like put it, make them look like assholes, basically. I would just, just fire back. There's nothing better than when someone says something so outlandish and something they would never fucking say to your face. And then you just go for the jugular because

they set themselves up. Yeah. I love it. Short term, it is a sweet release and it feels good. But the day after, you're going to regret it. You're going to be hung over. It's like cheating on your wife. Totally. Not that I would know what that's like, hypothetically speaking, I get a match. Let me all That's why mixing alcohol in comment sections is very, or it used to be dangerous. I have great restraint, not to, you know, toot my own horn over here, but I have pretty good restraint. I'm not easily triggered online anymore. But back in the day, yeah, Katie would have a glass of wine. And listen, if you go looking for something bad for yourself online, you're going to find it.

It doesn't matter who you are. It's out there. There's somebody that hates you. Also, don't you guys feel, too, that people lie? Like, for instance, let me give you an example. oh, I saw this person out at a bar and they were doing this. And they just make it up out of nothing and then it turns into something. Accusations on social media?

Yes, yes. Yeah, because once the rumors stick, there's a better quote than that. I get what's the, what's the rumors out there? It's all that matters. Yeah, it takes on a life of its own. It's significantly harder to rebuke. Yeah, no, I think it's more about people just, not the fan fiction, but people coming up with their own theories of like who we are.

based off of, you know, what they see on the show. You have to have a pretty fucking solid relationship to go on reality television. And you guys have been such a good example of someone who, I think I look at you guys as such a good example of someone who have stuck together and really made it through. Even Heather was on our podcast from Utah, Real Housewives of Utah. And she said the nicest thing, like the nicest things about Tom, just how sweet he is and how he like helps finesse the energy. and just he's like such a charming nice guy.

But you guys have been able to just like really be a team. Do you look at it like that? Is it like a discussion that you have behind the scenes? No. And also like I don't think at times we've been a team. I feel like so a lot. Oftentimes he's against me. I don't think people look at Katie Maloney and Tom Schwartz and think a couple goals.

No. Here's the thing. I don't agree. We're a testament to working through it and putting effort, time, energy and, you know, going to therapy and just like. fighting through all the hard stuff and enduring through the best of times and the worst of times. We're tried and tested, you know? We've been through pretty much everything. Well, how old were you guys when you started when you started the show? Oh, 26 and 30. 30? Yeah. They're so young. And we had been together for a little over two years, about two years. But we've been very authentic and realistic about our relationship. We haven't ever tried to pretend or present ourselves as a,

like this perfect couple. We haven't tried to sweep things out of the rug. We've been like, we suck, you know, but we're trying. That's what makes you guys show, though, so good, is I feel like the whole cast is like that. Yeah. They're not, no one's trying to have this facade of perfection. It feels like, oh, I could look at this relationship and say, oh, we do that at home. Or, oh, like, therapy, like, it's a relatable. Yeah, it's raw and honest. Very rarely do people, you know, contrive themselves. And if, and if you do, you do, self-produced, people are quick to call you out, you know? And it never translates on camera. It won't, like, those type of edits get canned. It's, it's traumatic while you're filming it.

You know, you kind of hate yourself. If you don't hate yourself by the end of the season, you didn't do your job. Yeah. That's what we, that's, how many seasons have you done? So there's a lot of self-loathing. Yeah. So how did you guys meet? I want to go way back. Oh, yeah. So I started working at Sir just down the road. And I, I, I had become good friends with Kristen and Stacey. And Kristen was like, I want you to meet my boyfriend, Tom, Zanval at the time. His roommate, he, you know, I think he would just be such a good match for you.

You're like the female counterpart to him. I was like, oh, like, what's his story? What does he do? She's like, well, he's an actor model. And I was like, I want to stop you right there. No, thank you. I'm like, I've already dated like all of those. I don't want anything to do with that.

And she's like, no, no, no, no. Aspiring. You know, I've been in L.A. for like four or five years. And I was obviously like very jaded at that point. But she definitely like wore me down. She's like, no, no, no. And so finally one night, I think it was like after work at Sir, we went over to the Belmont. And she's like, he's going to come meet up with us.

I was like, okay, great. And he comes and meets up with us. And he has a girl with him. And I was like, Kristen, I'm going to beat your ass. What the hell? is happening. He's got a chick with him. And she goes, I don't know who that girl is. I promise. It's not his girlfriend. And I was like, oh.

We don't have a fairy tale beginning. It wasn't love at first sight. Well, I know. I was, it was like, she's cute. I thought you were more than cute. And you thought I was more than cute. Let's face it. But no, but we did. We did. We clicked for sure. No, we did. There was some chemistry brewing. But I denied it. And I stuffed it down deep because I was way too concerned about my professional life here. I just resigned from my job. And I worked for a distributor in Florida, yada, yada, yada. I moved out here with $3,000.

It's all I had. And my little Honda's Civic. And I was like, I cannot afford to be distracted with love or a relationship. It just felt like it was a massive distraction in my pursuit of glory. Yeah. And I had been drugged through the mud by like countless dudes. So I was like, oh, do I really want to date another vapid model actor, dude? I don't think so.

So we just like, you know, started like hooking up. casually for like three months and then caught feelings. And one day I was like, do you want to go to lunch? And I asked him to be my boyfriend. And he's like, I don't know if he'll be a very good one. And I was like, this is good enough for me. His personality is so sweet. I know it's cute.

It's not the most romantic story. Come on. So, Katie, is this before or after? And I know you've talked about this on the show. You had your fall. Yeah. This was after. This was about less than a year after.

This is, I met you about six, eight months, eight months after. Are you open to telling the audience about how traumatic that was? I feel like people that watch the show, I know you've talked about it on the show, but I think you and I had similar experiences. Yours was way more traumatic than mine. But afterwards, I had an identity crisis. I don't know if you had the same thing. I couldn't look at myself in the mirror for three years.

I mean, yeah, there was that. aspect of it because of the whole cosmetic, you know, portion of it. But having a traumatic brain injury is altering to your personality for sure. But I was, I mean, after my accident, I was so focused on healing physically that the emotional healing didn't set in for a while. And then it started coming up in forms of, you know, PTSD. I had survivors, survivor's guilt for sure. I had bouts of like depression that would come and go. I didn't handle anger very well.

Yeah, she had like a hairline trigger. Yeah. Did I say that right? I was a survivor's guilt. I don't know what that is. Essentially when you survive something, I mean, I felt 25 feet and had, you know, and walked away, I have minimal scarring and, you know, yes, I do have a brain or had a brain injury. most people wouldn't survive something.

How did you fall? I was at my friend's house. We went on the roof and I sat on a skylight, which sounds idiotic. It was a big skylight. And I wasn't jumping up and down on it. I sat on like the edge of it, basically. And it was an old building. It was old glass.

And it just gave. And do you remember waking up? I mean, later on in the hospital. So you don't remember falling? No. You don't remember the bride? to the hospital or anything, right? Like, in a weird dream-like way.

Fever dream. There's, thank God for trauma, amnesia. I don't remember any kind of pain. I don't remember anything like that. But I do have, like, kind of, like, flashes in a dream-like way of, like, feeling cold. I do almost remember, like, cutting, like, my clothes off. Like, they had to. You remember them cutting your clothes off.

Like, feeling, like, the cold air on my body, like, because they had to cut, they have to cut your clothes off of you. you. What about the aftermath? Like, was it as, your, your trauma was like crazy, but was the aftermath just as traumatic? Yeah, I mean, I was, like, there was so much morphine in my system, leaving my body that, like, in the weeks passing, and it was just like, it was so, I was so lethargic and it wasn't really that intense at a time. My mom came, and she was, like, helping me, but I had my jaw wired shut. And I was, you know, I had, a lot of like ribs that were broken and collarbone that was broken. So I wasn't able to sit up out of bed or do anything. I was able to like shower or wash my hair.

Somebody ordered pancakes. She just sipped the scissors. Oh, very conny west of me. Yeah. So I mean, I had lost some of my teeth in the front of my mouth. So I had like a nice little hole for a straw.

I feel like I had a pretty positive attitude about it all. I was just so thankful that I wasn't paralyzed. that, you know, the outcome of it was relatively good, you know, pretty unscathed, and just was so focused on just getting back to my life, you know. But once I got back to my life, I didn't feel like whole. I didn't feel like myself, you know, and that took some time to, like, fully realize. And it took years of never really getting back to myself. And that kind of started to come out in different ways and, you know,

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I would get two boxes because you need one for your significant other and your kid if you're a mom and then one for yourself. And then you put a camera on it to like, yeah, yeah, yeah. double down on everything you're going through and they get every little thing and then edit it together. Yep. I do think it's important as a viewer of the show for people to understand that it's a 30 minute or an hour show. I mean, that's all they're seeing of a whole life and a whole like what you just said, this whole story that you've gone through even before being on the show.

Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot of backstory there. Yeah. You're seeing slices of usually the highest and the lowest moments of our lives and some stuff in between. But yeah, it's polarized and yeah, we like to think that it's just one facet of our multi-faceted gemstone of personality. Let me ask you guys this. Because when you all start, obviously you're going in as a really tight group, which is what I think makes the show great. Because

so many shows go and they put these people together and it's like, who the hell is that? I don't know who that. But you guys like were actually all friends. Yeah. I think that was the secret amongst other things. So many great things came together, you know, lightning in a bottle. But I think one of the keys to the show's success is that deep well of history to pull from. We were all dating each other. Honestly, before we started filming, it was worse. It was more dramatic. It was a never-ending nightmare of highs and lows. If anything, we sort of tamed down a little bit once the show started. Tell us something untamed that happened before the show. How can anything more like, what? How can anything happen before that's not? Well, when Jax was dating Stasi, and then Tom was dating

And Kristen, and I was dating Katie. So it's like these three best friends hanging out with three best friends. And like we always sort of inherited and adopted each other's quarrels and fights. And it was just a never-ending strange like love triangle. Yeah. I remember one night, me and Stasi were like, let's have a girl's night in at the apartment that Jackson Stasi shared. And we're like, okay, yay. And then Tom and Jackson decided they were going to have a guy's night out.

and they were going to pregame at Jacks and Stasi's place where we were hanging out. And they were like having shots together in front of me and Stasi at our, in our, you know, when we were trying to like have our nice, quiet girls night in. And we were like, what the fuck are these guys doing in front of us? And they were like, they were making these shots called Relationship Enders in front of us, like really kind of like taunting us almost. And then they proceeded to like go to the Hudson. And we were like.

What is a relationship ender shot? Oh, I actually remember. Remember the recipe. It was like four loco. So I like, you know, I was being, I was just joking around. I'm being facetious. I was like, I'm going to name this one, the relationship ender. It was, by the way, I don't drink four locoes.

But that night we had a four loco. So I utilized it. It was four loco. It was assay juice, soda water and a little bit of tequila. Why don't you bring those? Next time. Yeah. Anyways, we made them.

And sorry to steal the ending of your story. Okay. That's important to the story. I needed to know. He doesn't know what a relationshipender was. So then they like, they're like, all right, peace out. We're going to the Hudson. I mean, Sussie, look at us.

They're like, first of all, not only did they hijack our time and our like girls night in, they antagonize us by like pre-gaming their night out and like making these stupid shots called relationship enders, we're going to go show up. Why don't we go show up at their cute little guys night out? And so we showed up at the Hudson. like, hi guys. This was all before the show. And they were not happy to see us.

The Hudson used to go off back in the day. She's missing then. We broke up that night. So they do work. The relationship ender is very potent. Ineffective. Why don't you bottle a tequila called Tom Tom's relationship in there? You got to do it now.

You guys, can we hang out so much? Yeah. Test the recipe. I'm about to go home and make some tonight. So when did you guys get approached to be on the show? show and immediately did you want to be on the show? It seems like it took Tom longer to lean into wanting to be on the show. Well, because the show was a spin-off of, you know, Lisa being on the Rolls of Beverly Hills. So they had called like a staff meeting at Sir and we didn't know what

it was about. I thought it was because we were about to open up the lounge at Sir. And Lisa was there, and Natalie was there and Giermo and they're like, so we're going to be doing. doing a show here with, you know, we want the staff involved. We want you guys involved. So we want to be talking to you, anyone who is interested. I need a detail. Were you wearing the outfits that like what. Sandra Pai dresses?

Yeah. Are you wearing the Santero Pha dresses at that time? Yeah. No, we were just wearing. It was just a meeting. But those were being, those were in rotation. But yeah, we did wear those Saturday nights. I remember one thing I loved that.

It just was so striking about those. You can put them in your hand and squeeze it and it fully fits. I thought you were going to say you could put the ass of all the girls in your hand. And it was just like a nice hard. No. He's like cut. I will say though my first, when I first started working there, I had the regular dress that we wore every other night. And then it was my first, you know, shift working on Saturday night.

And it's like, I need the San Churpea dress, the Saturday night dress. And he handed it to me in just his fist and handed it to me. And I was like, is there anything else? That was what he did in the dress. Is there anything else? And he's like, know? He might have used it in the bathroom thinking about you in that dress.

I mean, like, like, why just someone hands you with tissue and is like, here's your uniform? There might have been a tissue in it. Okay. So you're sitting in your jeans and your top. We're just sitting there. And they're like, so we will be just one on one talking to each of you who are interested. Because, you know, it's, there's not everyone who work.

there is forced or has to be a part of the show, of course, absolutely. But me and Kristen and Stasi, of course, looked at each other and we're like, the witches, so we ho. Yeah. Knowing kind of like the story I just told you, the shit that's gone on in our lives with, you know, we're three best friends who are dating three best friends. We're like, yo, they don't even know what they have. So I went first, actually.

We drew numbers because they didn't know how. exactly how to sit us down in what order. I went down first and I was like, you know, they ask questions like, so like, who are you friends with? Who do you date? Or who do you hate? Who have you slept with? You know, all those things.

And so when I sit there and say, like, well, I'm best friends with Kristen Stasi and our, our boyfriends are all best friends and blah, blah, blah. They're just like, we had essentially filmed Vanderpump Rules before there was Vanderpump Rules, minus the cameras. Yeah, we were living it. Again, lightning in a box. bottle. They didn't even know what was already happening there. And it's Tom at

Sir, working. He was at Villablanca working. Villa Blanca working. So he wasn't working at either places. So that's why he wasn't quite like involved right away. And also I thought I had too much artistic integrity. I was like, no, I'm an actor. I would never... Let's hear about the artistic integrity. Okay, first of all, I maybe booked one

Southwest commercial. And I did, you know, I did background on like CSI a few times. DeSecis. Oh, yeah. But no, like just in my mind, there was still a It's a stigma attached to reality TV, which now it's like everyone, that's awesome. I love it. And I have so much respect for it, having done it.

But like in that moment in time, like I, even though I hadn't had a ton of success in my professional career, you know, commercial acting and print stuff, I still loved it and was very passionate about her. And I felt like that would be the end of any dreams of becoming an actor. By the way, I was not a good actor. I'm still not. Love it still. I was in the classes.

I was taking all kinds of intensives, comedy intensives. and I love it and I still do love it but yeah like I had no real shot at becoming an actor but in that moment it was very high stakes decision you know I was like because I remember this the irony of me watching shows like the hills growing up and I remember like audibly I always be outspoken about my opinion

like this show is awful I hate shows like this I would never do a show like that in that moment I jinxed myself because cut to what 10 years later and we're doing a show with the same executive producer from the Hills who we love. Shout out to Bill Langworthy, one of the best to ever do it.

We love him at Evolution. Anyways, I think I jinxed myself back when I was watching the Hills. Now I'm going on a tangent. No, I love this. I'm obsessed with the tangent. So did you guys get immediately cast? Like when they hear all the different dynamics

and spider webs that are happening and everything, are they like, this is, this is it? I mean, it's basically. They had to. They had to. It was undeniable. And it readily, like,

it just revealed itself in such a traumatic, fabulous way, like, you know. Let me tell you why. I mean, like, someone like me, I probably had the same kind of outlook on reality TV growing up as you did. We all like similar age. You fucking love housewives. But let me say. Don't fucking lie. No, no, I do now.

I'm in the world now. I'm in it. But a show like yours for somebody like me, I was on the outside, like that sucks you into that. Because you cannot, it's on, no offense. But it is such a shit show what's going on. There's so many different crazy characters. He was sipping tea watching, like eating popcorn. I sit there, look at Lord, I'm like, what the fuck's going?

I'm like, how'd this happen? How'd this happen? Like, what's going on? I'm like, I'm in it. I would argue that you guys have two of the best reality show villains that I've ever seen, Jacks and James. Yeah, I would agree with you 100% Jacks is, you know, he is one of the- You can't write these people.

Yeah, I know. No. He's in, like, I mean, Jacks, I've been friends with him, you know, a long time, and there's only one Jacks Taylor on the planet. Yeah. Like, I remember, he always, I always remember reminded of that quote from Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas when he's talking about his lawyer as a high-powered mutant, never even considered for mass production.

He just, he's a one of a kind. And he's, I mean, I could go on for Jackson about ours. But anyways, you're saying, Jacks is, Jacks is great. He's great. Tell us a story about when you and Tom and Jacks lived together. Didn't you guys all live together? Well, me, San Deval and Kristen live together. Oh, tell us a story about that.

But wait, you and Jacks and Tom. So, yeah, so I met Tom on Craigslist. Yeah, I want the background. So I met Tom on Craigslist, roommate seeking roommate. I didn't know anybody in L.A. Packed everything in my 2003 on to Civic. It was between Tom and a stripper. Yeah.

And she was the more financially stable, like the safe choice. But he took a gamble on me because we had the same initials. Oh, Joe. Is that true? Yeah, he's like, I don't know. I just felt a connection with you. Yeah. So, and then, you know, within two.

months, you know, Jackson ended up moving in and Tom, you know, came to me and he's like, hey, I think one of my buddies from back in the old school modeling days, Miami's in a move with us, and I'll never forget what I said in that moment. I was like, as long as he's not too big of a presence and then in walks, the loudest mother effer that I've ever met in my life, the human yellow Hummer, Jack Taylor. And we hit it off immediately though. He had a sheet for a wall in the living room. And he pulled so many girls. You know what, Michael Bostick? What? I feel like I'm getting smarter with policy genius. Finally learning something, huh? Yes. Policy genius is insane. I think everyone

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in, I think it was like 2010, I was looking for girls to interview. And no one would say yes to me because I was like no one knew what the blog was. So I would go on Facebook and like find girls to interview and get their diet, tips and tricks and secrets. And so Nikki Davison, who I think you know. Yeah. I was friends with her on Facebook and I see like Stasi pop up on like her like, remember they had like the top eight or like your favorites like back in the day. Yeah.

So I click Stossie and I'm like, oh, this girl's perfect. Like she's beautiful. She's so cute. I'm going to reach out and email her. And for some reason I'm like, this girl's going to be famous. famous. Email her all the question. She sends him back to me. And then I started stalking her and I'm like, oh my God, her boyfriend is so cute. I'm like, he looks so normal and cool. And like, he has it together. Like, this guy is so cute. Jax. So cute. Like way later when you guys have the show,

this is like five years later. And it was just like so wild to see the evolution of that. Yeah. I don't know if I was right about him being so stable together. he's come a long way I'll say that from where he was 10 years ago but it feels like I don't know if I believe in destiny but like people like Jack's I feel like he was destined to be on reality

TV he was meant to be he really shines the brightest on reality TV and Stasi and Bub I don't feel like I'm great on reality TV you're amazing you know the best thing about Jackson I mean he's spit for reality he was such a crazy character but then when James came on it was

like almost like How did these two crazy people, it's almost unbelievable because they're both so, I mean, I mean this in the best way, they're both so fucking out there. And all of a sudden they're in there and they're both so unself aware that they're both so out there. It's just a wild. When they first met like years ago, now like again, they both come so far, like put so much work into themselves. You know, James is sober now. He's like, he's just blowing up DJing.

But like back in the day, yeah, he was a loose cannon and he's so lippy. He's got the sharpest tongue ever. And him versus Jacks was always just like a sight. to behold. He also has such a sharp jawline. I've never seen a sharp jawline. And that is a compliment. Like, people go and get their jaw filled to look like James's jaw.

Goals. Yeah, goals. For sure. But Jackson and James were so much alike in ways, I think. That's why they, like, budded heads. Like, in, yes. It makes total sense. Yeah.

It makes total sense. So going back to when you guys get casted, did you guys know, when you get casted what you were getting into? And did you know how big the show was going to be? And what, like, what are you guys thinking when you start filming? I would love to know, like, the evolution of, like, when you started to now. I mean, there's no way to know what you're getting into. Absolutely not.

There's no manual for this shit. We just knew that we had to just live our lives, be complete open books. We knew that we What we told them about our lives Was the reason why they were interested And so we had to just Do the damn thing I think you guys was I don't know if it was unspoken or spoken or spoken

But there was a more or less like a pact Like we're going all in on this At least with them all like everybody at the main the primary cast I was on the fence wary unsure Per usual but yeah they all were like let they were you guys were all in Yeah we were just like we're just gonna fucking do this. Like, we're just going to try to, you know, I mean, we weren't going to like, try to make a good show. We were just like, we're just, we just have to like live as

authentically as possible. That's the only way that the show is going to ever be successful. So after the first season comes out, you guys go back to your jobs, living your normal life. When do you guys both remember a time when you had an epiphany? Like, oh, my God, people are watching this. It's a, it's a great question. And I had so, Like for the first three years, I didn't really make much money. And I was still kind of on the fence about being on the show. But, you know, I was still bartending, doing like catering jobs and stuff. And people will slowly, after like season two, they started recognizing me.

And it's a weird place to be in being semi-famous, but still working like customer service jobs. Still bartending, serving, which is fine. I love that industry. People like started to get this, there would be this tone of like, what, aren't you that guy on the show? That show's like huge. Why are you bartending? why are you serving? Even though everyone on the show is servers still,

it was just, I don't know, it was a very strange. They expect you to be way more well off at that point. Something, yes. Because I was the only one who didn't really work in the restaurant, but it was a weird time for me.

I felt lost. Yeah. And I'm very, yeah, that was the most lost I've ever felt at LA as the show was blowing up. It's hard to pinpoint the exact moment. Because, yeah,

it was like a sort of like slow build of like, yeah, when people like started recognizing when you go out, They would recognize you, but wouldn't place you right away. They'd be like, did you go to high school together? Did you go to Cal Poly? And I'm like, no. And are they nice or they?

Yeah, yeah. But they like, they wouldn't know where they recognize you from. And then they'd like, where do I know you from? And they'd be like, oh, do you watch Bravo? You know, and they were like, oh, my God. And you're like, yeah. You know, but. It took off season two.

I think when it was like got really crazy when you realize is when it caught the attention of like, people like Chrissy T. And Rihanna. Rihanna, like celebrities, like people that I admired for so, so long and was fans of when they became fans, that's when I was like, oh my God, like this is really surreal. I think S&L did a skit alluding to, like, to Jacks. Jacks was, you know, they had a Jack's character. I forget the skit, but that was a huge moment, a game-changing moment. When it started popping up in like pop culture sort of things like that, like parodyed in that way, like that's when it started like more.

mainstreamed that way. And everyone at some point in their lives, well, I think most people go through a scenario with their friends. Like, oh, my God, we should be on TV. Or like, oh, my God, what if we had our own? What if they filmed us, like your group of friends? And all of a sudden it was happening. And it was terrifying.

What about a moment where it was, like, so much recognition at once? Like, it likes people, like, coming up to you, like, a mob almost. Was there anything like that? Or is it more like people come up to you, like, slowly here? there, they're shy. Well, we did do something called the Vandercrawl in New York. That was our Beatles moment. Tell me about that. I want to know like every single detail. It was, I think it was after like what season four maybe and it was yeah, Bravo did it as like a promotion and we did in New York around, I think it was around the West Village. We went to like four different bars and they invited people or

People could buy tickets. And we literally did a bar crawl. And you guys are just drinking with it? In bartending. In bartending. Yeah. Sling his drinks hanging out. But like it was hanging out.

Madness. There was a thousand people in line screaming our names. It was so jolting. I felt like a backstreet boy. I felt like Britney Spears. Like it was, it was, that was a surreal moment where we had like security where we had like something like that. And it was wild.

It was. Did you like it? I, because I did feel, I did feel. I did feel safe. It was really cool. What if you guys are sitting down eating dinner and you're in a deep conversation and someone comes up to you? Let me do an example.

I never do this. I never, I never would do this. But me and my daughter were just sitting over there. And my daughter is such a big fan. Do you mind taking a selfie? Of course. I have, like I have no boundaries. I work at Tom Tom, Tom,

Pumps, sir. Like, that's like one, I have no boundaries. You can come up to me. I'll take a shot with you. We can talk about life. Tell me your problems. Katie's a little better at setting boundaries.

But I'm so grateful. You might as well, I enjoy, I'm grateful because who knows when it could end. So we're enjoying the way we've been riding. It's not that I'm not grateful. It's not that, but it's sometimes,

it's not that. It's just like sometimes when it's like, when it is that I'm like literally eating, You know, it's like that's when, that's the only time when I'm sitting there trying to eat my food. And if you're all looking like a homeless person and you just look like so gross and then you don't care. I don't necessarily mind that. But one time you say no, they will go to Twitter or social media and they will talk about it and they will make you look like an asshole and then it picks up. Stossie came on the podcast and said that she never said no once besides this one time that she was like at an airport and she just felt so ugly and hung over.

and she said, she said, just not right now. And she said, I think they went to Twitter. Yeah. I mean, but the thing is, I don't think they'll understand is that sometimes, like, you have bad days or sometimes you're on your period and you feel like utter shit. And, like, you just want to put your head down and not be bothered, you know. It's not that you're not grateful or anything like that. It's just that, like, we have really bad days or sometimes you're just, like, feeling really sad and depressed. And they get any sense of you being irritated or anything.

By the way, I'm generalized. These are generalizations. But like there's always like if they sense that you're annoyed that you ask them, there's an immediate like, who the fuck do you think you are? You're just a reality douche. Like give it up. Like they'll turn on you generalizing here. But some people are qualified. Some people will turn on you so fast from like, oh my God, I love the show to be like, what the fuck do you think you are?

But it has nothing to do with that. It just has something to do. It's just like I'm just feeling really, really in a bad way today. And I just need to like be left alone. That's Katie every day. You know what's good, Michael? I don't know, Lauren. That noise can be interpreted multiple ways.

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but then there's different trajectories for different people. It's like, hey, you're trying to like all keep it together, keep the cast, keep the shows. Well, people are trying to do their own thing? Like, how do you guys manage all that? Do you guys all together and have a meeting? Or is it like everyone for themselves? Like, how does that all transpire? I mean, I feel like everyone has tried to keep the show or everyone's tried to recognize that like the show comes first.

The show is what keeps everyone else's, you know, shit moving. And so to not get bigger than that or to get bigger than anyone else and like to keep, you know, some kind of sense of camaraderie. We don't get together and like... It's like, hey, guys, the Monday meeting, we're all straight. Yeah, I don't think anyone, you know, even though there's clearly stars on the show who shine brighter than others, but it is an ensemble. And when we're filming, yeah, people manage their egos. And, you know, again, there's an unspoken rule, sometimes spoken, that you just, you know,

you put it all out there. You don't censor yourself. And while we're filming, all is fair and love and war and Vanderpenter. Hump rules, you know. But after that, you know, shine as bright as you want. You know, everyone's got there. Once the cameras are shut down, the season's over, then, yeah, people's, yeah, people's egos do flare up in different ways sometimes. I want to talk about both of your entrepreneurial journeys. I guess I'll start with Tom. When, at what point did you decide you wanted to partner with Lisa and Tom and do this restaurant? Was it an idea that you and Tom had together and you

approached Lisa? How did it come about? It happened after our wedding, our first wedding, which was lovely, but Lisa came to us and proposed the idea of partnering up at restaurant of West Hollywood, probably my favorite city in the world. But in that moment, I just, I was so overwhelmed emotionally and exhausted. I declined. I can't believe I said no to Lisa Vanderpom. I don't know if you guys know that. Yeah. I don't know if they ever aired that part, but I said respectfully no. And then, you know, we met again a few weeks later when I had time to rest and I wasn't brutally hungover. And we agreed to it. And yeah, it was awesome. It was kind of scared. Why did you say no the first time I just artistic integrity again?

I felt like I had been working my whole life to get out of the food and beverage industry, you know? That makes sense. It was always a means to an end. And then I felt like another sentence of maybe five to 10, 20. Who knows? But, you know, as I had more time to think about it, I realized what a great possibly once in a lifetime opportunity is to get to work with the great Lisa Vanderpump and Ken Todd and have a bar in West Hollywood, like a city that's so near and dear to me. in one of the coolest locations. You know, one of the best locations.

Thank you. And, yeah, so I'm so happy in hindsight. We did say yes, even though, you know, we're minority stakeholders. It was an opportunity to get my foot in the door to learn. And, yeah, I'm glad I did it because it's been so rewarding in so many ways, not necessarily financially. But like, you know, I've just had such a great experience in there. And it's also been a catalyst for other areas of my life professionally, you know.

It sort of woke me up. I think I was in a professional slumber. I don't know. Rip Van Winkle. We don't have to go down that. We don't have to dissect that. But yeah, I just don't. You're not in a professional slumber anymore.

I mean, I think it's the hottest restaurant in L.A. It's probably one of the most known places in the city now. I see people driving by and pointing at that restaurant all the time. Really? Yeah. I mean, no, I'm eternally grateful. I go in there and I talk to everyone in there. And I'm like, thank you so much.

I'm so grateful that people continue to come in because you guys know this is Los Angeles. There's just some of the best chefs, the best bartenders, the best restaurant tours in the world come here. So it's hyper competitive. So to be even mentioned, you know, on a regular basis or know that people are coming out of town to see us is really cool. Tom's a real humble guy. Yeah. You got a good one. Yeah.

Yeah, you got a good one. He's being so modest. No. I'm just being honest. It's really cool. You have your podcast. Yeah. You also told me earlier that you had launched lipsticks.

Yeah, this was, well, we did like, when we had Pucker and Pau, I wanted to try what it would be like to have like a product. So we launched it with Julie Hewitt, who's like makeup artist and lipstick queen ourselves. And so we did that just like a limited run of lipstick. And it sold out, right? Yeah. But it was just like, it was just like a fun thing. So, you know, just to play around with products. I'm like, I'm always like, trigger shy when it comes to stuff like that because I'm definitely like risk adverse and scared of failing at things. because I'm not necessarily perfectionist, but when I do things, I want to do them very well. I see that. I feel like you too are the friend that everyone goes to to help plan their party and their baby shower.

And it seems like you're very organized and detail-oriented. Yeah. It can become a cop-out, though, like perfectionism, at least in my life. Like, there's so many things I wanted to do and I just felt like I wasn't going to be able to execute the way I wanted to.

And now they're just lost dusty notes in my iPhone. And this year I'm getting rid of my inner critic. He's taking a year off. I'm going to go for it. Wait, I don't want to make this about me. You talk now. No, I love this. This is like therapy.

I get the perfectionism thing. And Michael's like more like Tom. Like he's like, come on, like do it. And it's like, no, it needs. Like I need this detail right in this detail. But we would like like some kind of makeup kit from you. Because your makeup's always on point. Check out those brows.

I know. The brows. I think that's the first thing. I asked you when I saw you in person. No, I mean, okay, well, I do get a little help. I do have some microblading going on, but minimal. I mean, I was born with a unibrow. What can I say?

No, you look like you almost like have like a ponytail lift. They look so good. What's a ponytail lift? You know how Bella Hadid and Gigi Hidi Hidi had like the cat eye lift? Like it looks like you have. Like Lala. Does Lala have that? I don't know.

It's a natural thing, isn't it? Or is it a... It depends who it is. They're going to Twitter now. Yeah. Running, running to Twitter. No, but I think I think I do need to do some kind of brow kit. I think that should be my next thing.

I told her that it should open and sing, raise your glass. Like you open it. Like one of those birthday cards. Yes. Yes. Please. Can you sing raise your brow? Your arch.

I would love to know something that you guys are. have learned from Lisa or you love about Lisa. It's so crazy that you're her partner, but I feel like you guys are also friends with her and you work for her, or you did work for her. You work with her with the show. What's something you love or something she's taught you?

Well, this is, oh, man, I don't know how satisfying an answer this is going to be because it's kind of vague. But I think she's just, she's been a spark, a professional spark. Am I just watching her? You know, she's got like four shows going right now. She's got Vanderpumped dogs. She has four restaurants. She has multiple charities going.

She has so many things going on. Just looking at her, I had to stop and take stock of what was going on in my life profession. I'm like, man, you need to step your game up. Step your game up. Because I'm a big momentum guy and I've lost momentum several times over the past few years, but I've got it back now. I thrive with momentum. Yeah. No, she's like she's somebody, that I constantly feel like a little ragged doll around, like a little ragamuffin around her. Oh, because she's always dressed up. She's like, I never see her with a single hair out of place, like, ever. But yeah, she's just, I feel always just like very inadequate.

But, I mean, just in terms of like what I admire about her is a lot about her marriage with, like, Ken and the integrity that they both have with one another. And they always say, make sure you say, I love you every single day. day and I miss my love you today from you. I sent you like a huge thing of flowers today like a huge one you know I mean that's that's one like you know quick to forget she Jesus we joke saying our first wedding I say as our wedding I mean we did kind of fuck up with our license didn't really kind of get officially officially but you were married like you're married you guys are married we were married in our heart and heads which is the main thing but but you were married like you're married you guys are the main thing, but we got that sorted out, but she officied our wedding, but we went through

a lot, but she was, you know, imparted a lot of wisdom on how to, you know, make it last. To build a beautiful. People are such a fucking hall monitors. You didn't get a license. You know, you know, if you guys told me that you're married and you, I don't give a shit. If no one knew that, they wouldn't even think anything of it. Me and my husband, we got it, we got a license right away. What's the whole monitor in Harry Potter's name?

The one that like storms through the halls and is like check. the halls. Oh. I'm a late adopter to Harry Potter, so I'm not going to get the reference. Listen, back in my day. I'm going to have to Google it. The hall monitors got beat the fuck up. It's like, don't be snitching. There's too many characters. I can't. Hall monitor, Harry Potter. Hold on. Please hold. You know, that's one. Like, cancel hall monitors. That's, that's, I'm all about that. August. Finch.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I want to know a lot of people look to you guys as look up to your relationship. I feel like you guys have been through. all different kinds of things. What are your key secrets to a relationship? I think it's to continue to date each other. Yeah. Yeah. Don't feel like you have the other person fully figured out.

That's a disaster. Let them grow and evolve. And we still struggle with this. But like, you know, keeping the romance alive is key. Because it's so easy just to defer to our default mode of living together where we just like kind of speak gibberish nonsense we don't really do anything we watch a show together we barely communicate we talk to the dogs more than we actually talk to each other which is great my favorite thing in life to do with katie is nothing i love it but we that's a secret that's a secret

what you just said though being able to do nothing with someone yeah yeah but we make points to like do things together like to go out to dinner to be like to date each other to go on like dates with each other together and to keep things interested also like you know you know be interested in other, you know, hobbies. We have each other's things, you know, our own independence, our own identities. What are your hobbies? Tell us your hobbies. Ooh, Katie, put her on the spot.

Yeah. Well, I mean, mine are lame. That's okay. They're not lame. Well, I mean, I like to do like Legos. Michael loves Legos. Listen to me. When I get super stressed out, I'll go and buy a bunch of Legos and just sit there.

That's our meditation. It's like, it's like very like cathartic to. me. I like I like to do things with my hands. Like that's sort of like it's my like I call her Bob Villa. She's very handy. I love to yeah. I like I thought you meant like you like to give a hand job when you said that. No, I mean like but even like. Hand jobs are back now by the people would make fun of me because there's like you're always like folding laundry folding to me like I worked in retail and like I loved being able to fold things because it was like again kind of like that perfectionist thing. Our house isn't meticulous at all like it's kind of cluttered. It's always like a

little bit messy things. But when, but when I fold, let me tell you. Do you want to come over? I fold like a motherfucker. I'm going to need your folding tips. And also to keep the romance alive, can we talk about how Michael rolled over yesterday and goes, you want to poke? Are you fucking kidding me?

I'm like, that is where we're at in our marriage. I was like a poke, Tom. I looked at her and I got a little like wild hair. You got a chub. And she was like, I'm doing my launch. I'm like, oh. And then like, then she waited too long. and it was over.

That is not romantic saying, do you want to poke? Here's the thing. The worst part about, like, sex in any point in life is the initiation, in my opinion. But like, especially during marriage,

initiation, oh, we have to take our pants off and stuff. It's really hard. Well, it's been really hard in this, like, quarantine lockdown where it's like, it's different when you're like, you've spent a day apart,

you're, you know, you're busy and then you come back together and you're like, hey, when you've just been sitting around all day, how do you like, you know, flip the switch and all of a sudden you're like, hey.

You say, how about a poke? Thank you. You know, how else do you like, do you just like spin around and like? I just kind of lay there and present. You do. You do that. Actually, when I get out of the shower,

you just lay there. Is it like, I'm trying to, I'm trying to visualize. Okay, it's on his back. Let me show you right. With his boxers to his, to his knees, so he doesn't even take a full boxer off. That's not true. These things, yesterday, yesterday was a little wild.

You're going to, you're going to regret not taking that poke one day. You're going to say, fuck, I should have taken that extra poke. Like, you could grab a nipple. One day I'm going to be like, one day I'm going to be like 80 something years old. Like fucking something, Michael. What's your, what's your conversion rate with the cold open? Do you want to poke? Honestly, it's pretty good. Really? Yeah. I mean, it's not, I was, I was surprised. You said no. I just don't love that word. It feels like I'm fucking like a fifth year old. One of my favorite books is this book called Lonesome Dove. It's put these, I won't get into it. But they always, they call these things pokes. Right. They just kind of want to poke. And I was like, I kind of feel that I just moved to Texas.

I'm feeling a little like Western. I mean, like a cowboy, I'll get a poke. I dig it. Hey, little, you want to poke?

What do you say to have got there, Taylor? No, one of my stepmom's tip. Taylor, if you don't turn your fucking mic on when you're talking to this show,

I'm going to come back there and smack you in the head. You're going to get a poke in another way. So Taylor's referring to the fact that I said on the podcast that my stepmom's advice on relationships is, I used to bartend for like five years. And so I would come home at like one in the morning. You know how tired you are after you're fucking.

working and dealing with all the personalities and everyone's cosmopolitan at 34 and blah blah blah you come home and you're tired and he would want to have sex. God forbid. So I called my stepmom and I'm like, oh, please, it's like so tired. What do you do with that? She's going to be like, just don't do it, sweetie. She goes, Lauren, you rally. Yeah, you might need to refresh your course with her.

So now I rally. But last night, the poke, like, I was just like, okay. All right. Go beat me. I got to be honest. If I saw myself last night looking like that, I would have maybe turned me down. too. It was not my best look. I want to know Katie's relationship.

Are you looking at two people who are just glazed over right now? We're like... Yeah, we've been super lazy. We're like, uh-huh. We're streaky. But we're hot, we're hot. Yeah, we're like, we... It's been an ongoing thing that we talk about. I'm sorry you have to have the image of me with my boxers on my knees. I was picturing the Al Bundy

where you're just chilling. Yeah, that'd be hotter than the poke. Anything at this point would make anything. Al Bundy's such a legend. Have we saying you guys in a vibrator? I have, I have, I procured one myself. Okay, good. What's your relationship tip?

You said date yourself. Date each other. And I date myself as well. I'm pretty damn good at it. But yeah, like, be, like, I think, I think making yourself interesting to the other person as well. So, like, keeping your, like,

own shit going on, too. I think when you become too much, like, a unit, like, what else is there? I'm sorry. I think when I look at people that become so much of a couple, I'm like, oh, like, what do you? Don't you guys get bored? It's admirable on some level. But yeah, sometimes people lose too much of themselves.

That can be dangerous. Fall in love with yourself all over again, you know? Reconnect with Schwartz. Reconnect with Maloney. And then it only go to fortify the marriage, right? So I think I think that, I mean, I might not have a lot to do with the relationship because I think your relationship with yourself is most important. And I think that makes you better for your relationship with the other person, honestly. And then, yeah, I think.

Yeah, love yourself sounds so cheap. It's almost like trite now, you know. It's like a buzzword. But, I mean, it's true. You've got to put work into yourself. It's hard to be in a loving, it's hard to be in a loving balance relationship if you really are struggling with some inner demons. I'm not making light of any mental illnesses people are dealing with. Poor Tom has to give a disclaimer for everything.

He says, what has people done on Twitter? I'm going to get on Twitter and fuck people up. I'm a neutered. Oh my God. I feel bad. He has to give a disclaimer for everything. I'm a neuter time. He's always been like this.

Yeah, that's true. This is not because of Twitter or social media. No, but listen, you guys are put under a different type of microscope than most people. Like, it's just a fact. It's just true. Like things you say, even things you've said on this show, people will pull clips and they'll pull it out of, like, Lauren and I could say wild shit all day and be like, whatever, podcast, who gives a fuck. But you guys.

say anything and it is just like it's out there. Yeah no they're totally going to do it. It's okay. We love a good roast. We're all for it. Like I love getting roasted and again some people should be held accountable for things they say but it just goes it just gets to

There are people who have made careers creating social accounts just based off what you guys fucking say. That's true. It'd be fun to do Vanderpump roast like get the whole cast and do a roast on each person. That would be so fun. Terrifying.

We did that with Jacks, like, season three, and it was really fun. He had just started dating Brittany and her mom was there. It was really funny. I don't know if you guys remember. But he was a great sport about it. Everyone's having babies. Yeah. I know you guys get asked this every fucking second.

And you can tell me to shut up. But the audience already asked 100 times on, I'd be remiss not to ask. Like, I have to ask. Yes or no? Yeah, that's the plan. What's the time frame? What's our time frame? Yeah.

don't know. Like, listen, like, there's some stuff like he's working on right now. Like, I mean, listen, it's going to happen. It's going to happen when you want it to happen. Yeah. And it's right for you. And it's like people are like, but you're never going to be. It's not like we're like we're not ready right now. But I think, you know. You both want to bounce back after this last year. I don't blame you. I lost my rhythm completely. We were, we did actually try this past summer. We're like, you know what? Like maybe like right now where we're just sitting at home like, let's see if we could like make this happen. It didn't. And now that like, like, shit's opening back up.

We're like, oh, let's just like hold off a little bit longer. But not too much longer. We're going to make some babies. But I don't know. I don't know. Go home after this podcast and ask her for a poke. No. I think I'm just selfishly asking you because Zaza needs a friend.

Zaza doesn't have any friends in quarantine. But you guys move. I know. So what? We're back here still. She needs a friend. But wait. Talk about your guys's old condo.

We used to live across the street. and that place took forever to get built. I've had some of my best moments walking back and forth deliberating how I'm going to propose to Katie right in front of that building with that whole space rate that is very near and dear to us.

I love it. It's a great... You didn't tell your story about Tom. I was like, oh my God, I'm like, there's that fucking guy, Tom. I'm like, he's better looking in person. I'd see you at Gelson's over there. I'm like, do I go up?

I'm one of those weird dudes that goes up and fan boys. You guys are better looking in person. I mean, you're gorgeous on the show. Well, I would see you. In person, you guys are even like, more magical. You guys are projecting your beauty onto us. No, no, no. No, we're being serious. But I remember that whole, that you guys were like all in that area. And I bought a condo there in 2014. So like you must,

like probably around the same time you guys were all there, right? We probably had just moved. Just moved. I can only imagine Tom walking down the street to Gelson's and people shouting out their windows. That area will, I just saw the place. It's gone now. But that whole area, if you're moving to L.A. and you're young and like trying to find your footing, that's like one of the best places to move to, I think. I 100% agree. Not that condo, but the condo that you guys have. Now? The one that you guys were living in.

Still. Still. We're still half and half right now. Yeah. That place we lived across straight from. So I don't know that place. But same Gelson's. Yeah.

Same Gelson. Yeah. Last thing I would love to know. A book, a podcast, a resource that you really love this year. Could bring you value. It could be anything. Love that question. It could be a show.

It could be. anything that you think our audience would really like. Anything that's like kept you inspired or sane during this crazy last year. We just watched Your Honor, which was good, but then the ending was bad. Let's see. Well, this is not something that was deeply moving, but we finally watched Lost. It was great. Is that good?

Loved it. So good. It's sci-fi, though. Lauren, you're out. You can't do sci-fi. What's, um, man, I guess lately I've been really inspired by, um, Hidden Brain, the podcast. I heard of it. Radio Lab. Radio Lab's good.

And also revisionist history with Malcolm Gladwell. And I have a few of his books. I've read, I can't remember the name on the spot. Shout out to Malcolm Gladwell. You've been a beacon of light throughout this past year. When he tunes in, he's going to really appreciate that. Tom has a nice voice. It's not bad.

No. He's doing his podcast voice right now. In my mind, I saw nasally and neurotic when I talk. When I see, oh, by the way, don't get me started on seeing yourself on TV. It is ego shattering. It's the worst. It's like, you know how no one likes their voice on a podcast or on an answering machine or whatever? Seeing yourself on TV, even though I love myself, there's just like complete dissociation.

It's in what way? I'm just like, oh, I walk like that. I sound like that. Oh, my God, your hair. Like, no, why did you say? I'm just always roasting myself and hypercritical. And do you watch it all back? No, I very, I'll watch it in small doses because, you know, I want to know what's going on and I want to be engaged because I don't see everything that's happened, you know, while we're filming. I'm not in every scene. So I want to do my job, do my due diligence. But like, it's very painful to see myself on TV. I still haven't been able to. Do you guys get pissed off after the fact if you watch like, what is it? Not a confessional.

They used to do down in real world. Like what you do? Yeah, they do. They do confessional. Or like a scene that you weren't in and somebody said something. And you're like, that motherfucker. I didn't know he said that. But even it's later now.

Or you're just like whatever it happened. Earlier on maybe a little bit. But now we just know. Because it's like we do the same stuff. And we know that like that's that's part for the course. It's part of the job. We have to do it because, you know, and it's, it was then. It's more civilized now.

But in the first five seasons, like we would sit around as a group and drink. And then sometimes people would see confessionals like that while the person's sitting right next to them. Something, you know, maybe like Sheena said about Jacks or whatever, anything. And they're right there and it's so uncomfortable. You guys, I wish you could experience that. That's what needs to be filmed. You guys watching the reaction after the fact drinking. Yeah, we used to like watch together, but I don't know.

No, it doesn't bother me now. I mean, I don't know. It's, it is what it is. I'm listening to the three podcasts that you just recommended. Do you have anything that you're looking at? Now I'm blinking on literally everything, but. Did you read any good books this year? Show, podcast, book, Netflix, reality television.

You said Utah Housewives. Oh, Salt City Housewives so good. I watch, I mean, I've watched so. many shows. What have I watched? Watch all of Outlander. I need to watch that. So good. I love Outlander so much. She got the scotch from the show. One of the guys in the show, it's so good. Check it out. The Sassanex Scotch. When are we going to see a tequila K.D. brand coming out? That would be so great, right? I mean, that's, that's, it's hard. I don't even know where to begin to get a tequila. It would crush it. It would crush. But like, That's a

challenge. Can we at least get a tequila Katie on the menu? A tom tom. Yeah, I think relationship enter of tequila Katie. Can we talk?

I'm a little miffed that there's not a tequila katie on the venue. There was in the beginning. There's Bubba's tacos. Or the Bubba's tacos. The heck of my tacos. Where does the name Bubba come from?

Leave us with that. It was like an evolution of like the generic like babe turn to like baby turn to bob turn to rob

turn to bubba turn to by the way I've made it a point this year anybody who's still listening you guys I'm gonna budget

how many times I say Bubba when and if we film this year okay I'm not gonna abuse it people get it people don't like it oh my God

people don't like anything I'm a people pleaser who cares where can everyone find you to leave nice comments. I want to challenge everyone who is listening to this podcast to go leave Katie and Tom a nice

uplifting positive comment. Wow, that would be lovely. God, what a plot twist? He's like, what the fuck is that? How about in person at Tom Tom, Tom? Not on my social media. Meet me at Tom Tom in about three weeks optimistically, cautiously optimistically. And on social media, Tom.

Oh, yeah, I'm T-W-SchWA. T-W-S-C-H-W-A. This has been awesome. By the way, before we go, you guys are. crushing you. We talk about all your success, the empire you've built. Look at this backdrop. This is the dream of so many and you're living it. We got a long way to go. That's very nice. Thank you. Follow Katie. Katie's so cute. Follow me at music kills Kate. Why does music kill Kate? I don't know if I've ever asked you that. I haven't changed my phone number. I'm not going to change my handles.

I respect that you haven't changed it with everything that's gone on in your life. I respect it. Tom and she's trying to keep interesting for you. You don't need to know everything about her. I like you later at a date night. I like consistency. Yeah, me, You know, because I like music. I always have, I used to have a music blog, and that was when I created my handle. So it lives. I love it. Yeah.

Okay. We're going to come into Tom Tom. I'm trying the Bubba's tacos. I'll meet you there. I want to come. Get the four local relationship. We're pregame at your guys' place. We're in the studio here.

100%. Michael will make you a relationship ender. No, no. I want to. He might ask all you guys for a poke. Yeah. Listen, you give me a couple relationship vendors, tequila, Katie. We've thrown poke left and right. You guys are an incredible couple. You can come back anytime. I feel like I could have asked you a hundred more questions. Also, definitely go listen to my episode on Katie's podcast.

Yes. Talk about that. It's with dear media. It's fucking crushing it. What episode we don't know. It's like one of the earlier ones. Okay. It's really going to love me. You're going to love me. It's so cute. Thank you guys both for taking the time. You guys are awesome. Thank you for having us. Who wants to win a skinny confidential custom new bookmark for their book? My book launches tomorrow the 15th. You can pre-order it on Amazon and Target. You can also grab it on Barnes & Noble and where all small bookstores are sold and you have to have this bookmark to go with your book. So we're going to do a giveaway. We're going to give away five bookmarks. All you have to do is tell us your favorite part of this episode with Katie

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