The Bossticks - Vani Hari On Taking Back Your Health: Clean Eating, Grocery Store Hacks, And Fighting For Better Food & Ingredients

Episode Date: August 11, 2025

#875: Join us as we sit down with Vani Hari – food activist behind Food Babe, 4x NY Times best-selling author, & founder of the organic food brand Truvani. Vani's viral testimony before the US Senate ignited a nationwide movement, calling out major food corporations for using harmful ingredients in America that are banned in other countries. In this episode, Vani breaks down how to make smarter choices at the grocery store, exposes what's really hiding in your food, highlights urgent policy changes that need to happen, & shares how to live a clean, organic lifestyle – even while on the go.   To Watch the Show click HERE   For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM   To connect with Vani Hari click HERE   To connect with Truvani click HERE    To connect with Lauryn Bosstick click HERE   To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE   Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE   Head to our ShopMy page HERE and LTK page HERE to find all of the products mentioned in each episode.   Get your burning questions featured on the show! Leave the Him & Her Show a voicemail at [phone].   To shop Truvani visit https://shop.truvani.com/SKINNY and use code SKINNY for 20% off for a limited time.    This episode is sponsored by The Skinny Confidential Your daily routine done better – with The Skinny Confidential Caffeinated Sunscreen. Subscribe today at https://shopskinnyconfidential.com/products/sunscreen  and get it delivered right to your door – because great skin doesn't take days off!   This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp Give online therapy a try at http://betterhelp.com/SKINNY and get on your way to being your best self.   This episode is sponsored by Nutrafol For a limited time, Nutrafol is offering our listeners $10 off your first month's subscription and free shipping when you go to http://Nutrafol.com and enter the promo code SKINNYHAIR.   This episode is sponsored by Jolie Jolie will give you your best skin & hair guaranteed. Head to http://jolieskinco.com/SKINNY to try it out for yourself with FREE shipping.   This episode is sponsored by Kion Go to http://getkion.com/skinny to save up to 20% off.    This episode is sponsored by Cotton Cotton is The Fabric of Our Lives. Learn more at http://TheFabricOfOurLives.com.     Produced by Dear Media

The following podcast is a Dear Media production. She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire. Fantastic. And he's a serial entrepreneur. A very smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you along for the ride. Get ready for some major realness. Welcome to the skinny confidential, him and her.

Hello everybody. Welcome back to another incredible episode of the Skinny Confidential, Him and Her show. Today we're joined by a woman who has shaken. the foundations of the trillion dollar food industry. She's taken on crap, subway, Starbucks, and most recently, Kellogg's, and she's winning. With over 15 million views on her viral Senate testimony and a growing movement demanding transparency, she's not just a disruptor, she's a revolution in and of herself. Vanie Hari, aka Food Babe, is here to expose what's really in your grocery cart, how the FDA is failing us, and why the U.S. allows ingredients that

are banned around the world and in other countries. Vanie Hari, welcome with the skinny confidential, him and her show. This is the skinny confidential, him and her. You've been doing a lot of really serious stuff, so people probably want to get really serious with you right off the bat, and then they kind of lose the maybe elements or the facts that, you know, you started doing a lot of what you were doing because you became interested in this world of health and wellness, and you have a family and you care about the family, and you're a person.

Yeah. You know, you're not some, like, robot. But yeah, we'll keep it light and easy here. Yeah. Welcome back. been a long time. I didn't realize how long. We were talking off air about how you and I met when we first were bloggers like 13 years ago. Yeah. Yeah, we were like blogging sisters. We were like doing blog swaps. Yeah. And and your aesthetic on your blog was so ridiculous. And I'm like,

who is this girl? Everything is curated. All the colors are matching. And I'm like, it's like gar, like he's like puke on the page. No, it wasn't. Your blog, though, always had the most interesting information. You've always been interested in this topic and passionate about it. So it's cool to now see what you're doing 13 years later. It makes sense. You know what's funny, though?

I'm glad you said that you guys would blog and blog swap this long because sometimes, like, the show will get some pickup. And like, the people will be like, so when did you guys get interested in health and wellness? I'm like, what in, I don't know, like the entire time, I think, right? Yeah, no, I was already so into it. I mean, yeah, I mean, I'm just thinking about even the books that you've written. I mean, everything has been around this wellness sphere where you're just like seeking health, right? I try. I try.

And I'm not perfect at it, but that's all we can do is try. Yeah. When you see where you, where you started 13 years ago and you see what you're doing. doing now? How do you feel about all this? Because it's a lot. You know, when I was asked to speak on stage at Health and Human Services just recently with Secretary Kennedy and the head of the FDA, I took a moment for myself right when I got to the stage and I took a deep breath and I took it all in. And I just gave gratitude to that moment because I've been working for this for so long over a decade of telling everyone the truth about their food.

And so much of that falling to deaf ears, especially for our elected officials and our politicians in Washington, and nobody was holding them accountable. It was just citizens like me and you and others, just like sharing petitions, signing them, getting these corporations to change this through our voices. But now we have true leadership that is taking my voice and amplifying. it all the way to the highest levels of government, all the way up to President Trump.

And now in the West Wing and every single cabinet member is talking about these issues that we've been fighting for for so long that we just want transparency into our food system. We want American companies to stop poisoning us with ingredients. They don't use in other countries. We want the same safer versions that these American companies make for so many other citizens in Australia and Canada and all of Europe and Korea and India. I mean, it's quite alarming when you see the growing list of countries that get better food than us. Can you, I think it's relevant to talk about your journey a bit because one of the things that personally drives me nuts when it comes to this topic is what I mentioned earlier.

Like, Lauren and I, I wouldn't call ourselves experts, but we've always been health conscious and health focus and tried to seek out information so that we can live a healthy lifestyle and provide of our family. And what bothers me a lot, and I've been vocal about this, and maybe you've seen it, is that somewhere along the line, this topic of health and ingredients and better for you foods and holding companies accountables became real political. And obviously it's because the current administration, the figurehead of that administration, Trump, is a lightning rod of a figure. But for someone like yourself, I think it's relevant for you to talk about your journey of being focused on this topic for so many years prior to this administration. and prior to Bobby Kennedy, because it's almost, like, I think people that get introduced to you now that are unaware of your past, they're just reading the political headlines. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And they're not understanding your passion for this space since the beginning. Yeah. And I mean, it started with me being very sick as a child. You know, it was on, it felt like every prescription

drug and then hitting rock bottom in my early 20s where I, you know, had an appendectomy. And doctors are telling me, I don't need this organ in my body. It's about to explode. Then I have an endometriosis, having another surgery shortly thereafter, and just making a decision that I'm not going to feel this way anymore. And that's what led me to my quest of this insatiable curiosity about what I was eating and what led me to that situation. And when I started to take back control of my food, going from a processed food diet to just real food, just real whole living foods. It's very simple, not controversial at all. everything changed. I went off every single prescription drug,

realized a life I never thought was possible. And then I couldn't shut up about all the things that I was learning. And so my friends saw this dramatic transformation in my body because I went from someone overweight, you know, puffy face, bad skin, not athletic, to now a new being of health, found fitness, you know, all these things. And they're like, hey, I want what you're having. And I wanted to call the blog,

healthy forever.com. And my husband, who is a tech geek in the family, was smart and was like, that's a terrible name, and found Food Babe on auction for $10. And I started blogging under the name Food Babe because I was still working in the corporate world.

I wanted to kind of hide behind this persona. But then I started to create a community that not only cared about their own health and wanted to learn what I was teaching and really just sharing my lifestyle, they wanted to hold these companies accountable that I was calling out because I was just sharing specific companies

that I felt duped about. Like when I would eat Subway every day on the job, I thought I was eating fresh. I mean, it was their headline. And I had no idea that there was 50 ingredients and just the bread alone and that they were using artificial food dyes and all kinds of nitrates

and artificial ingredients and, you know, flavoring. and all kinds of stuff. Ingredients that are banned in other countries. You get fined $450,000 if you get caught using one of the chemicals. I found out all these things and I was like, how come nobody's looking at the actual ingredients in this food and just believing the marketing? And when I started to call this out,

people were pissed and upset and started calling the companies and demanding change and inspired me to start petitions to take on these corporations. and we've gotten everyone from craft to subway to Starbucks to General Mills to Papa John. I mean, chick-fil-A, countless organizations and food companies to change, multi-billion dollar food companies to change just through awareness about what was in their food. And I think what was the best part of all of this is when you learn the ingredients in your food, and you understand why they're there and what the purpose is. And you realize that they're there to just improve the bottom line of the food industry

and not improve your health. And you start to opt out of that system and say, I'm not part of that science experiment anymore. I don't, these are nutritious ingredients. They don't, like, provide energy or nutrition or, like, give you more vitamins or minerals. They're literally there to make the corporations more money. And you say, I'm going to opt out of that system. I'm like everything changes, right?

And so this is what I wanted to awaken in the American public. And I just wanted people to never be in that position that I was in, right? Recovering in that hospital room with a stitch down my side, with an organ taken out of my body when I was in my 22 years old. Like there's no reason anybody has to go through that. I also had my appendix out. Do you think now with everything you've learned that it has something to do with food? my burst. Absolutely. How so? Well, this is the first thing I researched after having my appendix house. It's like, well, they tell me I don't need it, but what do you mean I don't need it? Like,

why did I put it there, right? Right. Exactly. And it's from an inflamed digestive system. Huh. And so what was I doing? I was eating inflammatory food, right? That was completely taxing my digestive system. Not enough fiber, tons of chemicals, a lot of additives, not organic. so I was eating a ton of pesticides that create little tiny holes in your gut. And then your appendix, I hope you know this, because you should be loading up on probiotics. But your appendix actually populate your gut with good bacteria. So you need an appendix. You really should have one, right?

Like it's not like something that we just can discard. But that's how the doctors made it out to be. Like, oh, you don't need it. We'll just take it out. It'll be routine surgery, you know? And it's like, wait a minute. Can you reverse? Like there wasn't even the discussion of can you reverse this, right?

Through healthy eating or anything. It was just like, here's a surgery. You're getting this thing out. It's emergency. You've got to do it now, right? I mean, that's what you probably have to go through as well. Can it cause issues and gangrene? Mine was burst.

Yeah. Oh, yeah, it was already burst. So if it's already burst, there's nothing you can do. Nothing you can do, yeah. So if you do have your appendix out, you should double up on probiotics. Absolutely, yeah. That's interesting. I always used to wonder when I was really young, I'd be like, but why did this happen in the first place?

How old were you? 16. Wow. Wow. It fucking hurts. Yes. When it burst. Yes.

Like, it is the worst. It's the worst. Did yours burst? It almost did. Okay. So, yeah, it was a pain where I went to the emergency room and they basically said nothing was wrong. And I was like, wait a minute. I am in so much pain.

I'm beveled over. Oh, you can't even move. Exactly. And they said, well, just take an Advil, go home. We think it's like an ovary or something. And I went home. My parents stayed with me that night. and they stayed in my apartment that night with me

and they woke me up in the morning they're like, are you still in pain even after all the Advil? And I was like, yes, I feel awful. I hurt so bad. They're like, you need to go see your other doctor. I don't trust anybody at the emergency room at this point. So I went to go see my other doctor and it was like immediate into the surgery room.

People attack me and be like, hey, Lauren, I know you got your appendix out. I have a stomach ache. Like, do you think I have? I'm like, no, no, no. This is not something that you're like, I don't know. This is something you're like,

get me to the doctor now. Yeah, yeah. Like, I couldn't get off the couch. Like, it was bad. I did think it was kind of cool at the time because I loved the book, Madeline. She had her appendix out. It wasn't that cool. So now I have to take extra probiotics. I've been reading my kids, Madeline goes to the White House. It's too cute. How do you think about your kids and what they're eating with everything that you know? What are things that are like you don't do in your home? What are things that you'll be a little more lax on? Talk to us about that. Yeah, I mean, my kids have grown up with food babes their mom, right? So they know about artificial food dyes. They know about additives. They know that if there is a cereal box, they're not eating it, right? They just, they know

it's poison. Like they literally like my little four-year-old can't wait to show me a cereal box when he sees it at the grocery store or at Target or wherever. And he points it out always. He's like, clogs and like, you know, laughs and giggles and runs away. And so did you give him another kind of cereal? Well, they never ate cereal. So they've never had cereal before. Oh, my gosh. You know, I think they've, they've tried Lovebird before because I'm like, oh, there's this great new brand. It's so good and delicious. That's what we just got for them. Yeah. And I'm like, try this. And they're just so not even used to dry cereal that they're not even into it really. And so we've just done steel coat oatmeal, which, you know, I get one degree is the brand. It's glyphosate free and it's incredible. And I have this amazing slow cooker. It's by three. 60 cookware. It's absolutely incredible. It's a stainless steel slow cooker, which is really important. You don't want to get the ones that are, you know, full of lead and other toxic chemicals, right? So it's really super easy to clean. I said it the night before. It takes me less than a minute to put the oatmeal in the water in there. It's creamy. It's delicious. It's done in the morning so the kids can

have that first thing. I put ground flax seed. So I'm not like, you know, you're like sleep deprived. you're, you know, you're running around. You have a million things. Press is calling me off the hook. Like, so much stuff is happening every morning. It is so nice to have something ready for the kids. That's nutritious and amazing. It's quick to just wash some blueberries or berries or whatever or pomegranate seeds. They love those. Put that in the oatmeal with the ground flax seed. They love it. And then... That's such a good tip. So you have, you take the 360 cookware, the stainless steel. You put the one-degree oats in it at night and you wake up and the oatmeal's ready to go. Yes. And it's absolutely incredible. And it's like, you know, I know there's no toxins leaching in there.

I'm buying the best oatmeal. It's good nutritious, you know, carbohydrate. It fills them up. And then I love the added, you know, additional flaxseed, which is the omega-3s and the fatty acids, which is incredible in the fiber, keeps them full. And then the added, you know, antioxidants from the berries. It's like the perfect meal. And then I can handle their other requests, which are, Mom, can you make bacon?

Mom, can you make sausage? Mom, can you fry me an egg? mom, I want pancakes, you know. And then I'm like, okay, I can have a sip of my coffee. Okay, I can get to the next course. I mean, my kids eat in courses. They, they've just kind of been trained from our travel lifestyle and everything else of like I like to go to, you know, every summer we go to St. Barts and we kind of hunker down there for a month. And it's, it's the one thing that I love most about our family and what we do and we just act like, you know, we're just, we act like for the French and we eat from, you know, we cook a lot. We also go out a lot. But they're, you know,

used to these long, you know, multi-course meals because that's how I serve it at home and that's how they're served when we go out to eat. And so it's just, you know, it's just how they were raised. And so they're, they're unique creatures for sure, right? They're not like most children. You do feel like a bartender as a mother. Like I bartended for like five years and I've realized I am a bartender in the morning. It's like, can I get ice? Can I get a straw? Can I get a this? Can I, you feel like you're bartending and you're cleaning as you go. It's like, literally like you're working in a restaurant. And then there's like negotiations happening to you. Oh yeah. Mom, can I have some dried fruit before school? Because I just don't think I'm,

I just need to have that before school. Or what about I'm not hungry anymore, but I love a cookie. I said, but I thought you said you weren't hungry. There's so much negotiating. What did he say to this morning? What did he say this morning to you? I don't know. He said, he said, um, he's always wheeled and no, he said, he said, I think I'd like to watch a show. Listen, life is one big negotiation. So I encourage it. I'm like, oh, yeah. You got to refine your pitch a little bit. I call him baby boss. Or boss baby.

They're always negotiating. Around the topic of health and wellness, everybody as a population, as a people, as a country, should be excited about cleaning up our ingredients and focusing on things that make us healthier and getting rid of things that make us unhealthy and creating an opportunity for our children and their children to thrive with better ingredients and better soils and all of these things. And that should just be bipartisan right down the line. It should be. Right. It won 100% it should be. But because of the way that we exist, and I do blame media in general, and I'll throw all of our media.

Yeah. Because I think a lot of people, it'd be very easy, I guess is what I'm saying, for Lauren and I to shoot to the top of the charts and get way more views and listens if we dug real deep into one side of the aisle and just pandered to that side and pissed off the others. I think it's much harder to stay somewhat centrist and say, like, listen, there's a complex issue that requires buy-in from everybody. It does. Yeah.

That needs to be discussed. Well, the only thing that will defeat the enormous amount of money and forces against us, the only thing that will defeat that is people coming together, our voices. That's the only thing. And the more they divide us, whether saying this is a Democrat issue or a Republican issue or, you know, one party's doing it and the other party's not. Like the more they have these talking points and the more they try to politicize things by deadingrating what Secretary Kennedy is trying to accomplish, which is I see it every day in the media on the leftist media.

I mean, it's so saddening to see what's going on. I mean, I watched a woman on MSNBC say that ultra-processed foods and the harms of ultra-processed food is a conspiracy theory, that there's no data behind this. Like, I was shocked. I was like, is this real? Is this AI generated? Like, is this person really telling the truth here? I mean, it was, it was shocking to see the rhetoric coming off to just, you know, stop these ideas and stop the progress that's happening.

And, you know, what really should be happening is both sides should be trying to outmaha each other, right? We should see who can do it better because that's the situation we're in. We're in a situation where we have the worst life expectancy ever in history that our kids are at the point where they're going to have a less life expectancy than us compared to every other developing nation. The fact that 38% of us are kids are prediabetic when it used to be zero. That our cancer rates have increased 40% since 1975. That's enormous numbers. The skinny confidential him and her show is sponsored by Better Help. These days, it feels like

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Again, I don't want to go so down political aisle, but like as it relates to Kennedy and Maha, if he would have won the ticket to be the Democratic candidate, my fear is that you would have people on the right poo-pooing this idea about Maha. And the people on the left would be supporting it. But now you have people on the left trying to crush this. You know what I'm saying? My point is, because we live in this left-right country right now, good ideas get shot down just by opposition because it's like, I can't support something that, even if it's a good idea, that the other side is saying is a good idea. Does that make sense? And that's where I've worked with now both sides of the spectrum, right? You know, I was a Obama delegate. Now I'm, you know, speaking with Secretary Kennedy and others in the White House. Like, it's, it's, it is a situation where we. have been working on these issues for so long. And now we're given the opportunity to make meaningful

change. And we have leadership that's, again, bringing these issues to the West Wing and the cabinet members and across all the agencies of government. And this amazing report that came out last week that details out the truth about the harms of ultra-processed foods and the chemicals we're being exposed to in our food, the farming chemicals, atrazine and glyphosate, the two most used pesticides and herbicides in our country. I mean, the report itself said pesticides 15 times. The fact that that was even in there was a miracle. I mean, the chemical lobby worked tooth and nail to try to prevent that information from getting in that report, just literally just sharing the data, not even any policy work or anything. And but we're, we're at that moment now where we have

amazing leadership at the state level looking at these. issues and creating bills to remove artificial food dyes and other chemicals from their food. And to, you know, in California, there's a bill that's going to define ultra-processed food. And in Texas here just a few days ago, they passed a bill that's incredible. That's going to put warning labels on all of these additives that are banned in other countries. That's going to spawn an amazing amount of change just within the food industry. And it's, it's, what I, what I'm grappling with, is how as a human being can you just sit back and sit on your hands and not get involved

when the food companies are poisoning us, the chemical companies keep spraying all this stuff all over our food that we can't stop. I mean, you know, our food, many practices we have here in the United States, for example, the spraying of glyphosate before harvest on our wheat, on our oats, on our beans. Why the reason I buy that specific brand that test for glyphosate is because our food is being sprayed right before harvest. They're allowed to use this, allowed to use glyphosate as a desiccant to dry the harvest so they can rotate it faster before the fall rains and other things that happen.

And so it's a way for them to just farm a little faster. But there's other mechanisms farmers could use that would eliminate this usage that's prohibited in Europe, by the way, because they found that the use of this is actually the 90% of the dietary exposure we get from glyphosate. So imagine if we just banned that usage of glyphosate, not just the entire chemical, which is going to take a lot longer and a lot more resources, and we're going to have to pay farmers a lot of money to make that change. But even if we did that, that's only 3% of glyphosate used in this country, but it would affect 90% of the exposure we get through that. And it's linked to cancer. It's linked to infertility. It's linked to endocrine

disrupting chemicals. I mean, problems in your body, autoimmune disorders, gut issues, so many different things. And then I think about atrazine that was mentioned in that report. Atrazine is banned in 60 other countries. It is making people have small penises. Okay. Turning to the frogs gay, as Alex Jones said. Right. That's all we need to hear that. Make a change. How is it making someone have small. penises and how do these guys avoid it? It's probably destroying their hormones. Yeah. I mean, it's affecting infertility. It's affecting the menstrual cycle. The guys want to know how to avoid it so they don't get a small dick. So can you explain it? It's sprayed on non-organic corn and sugar in this country. Non-organic corn and sugar. Yes. So what if they get like, or what I like to buy like

organic coconut sugar. Is that a good one? Yeah, that would be a great way to avoid aftersy. But Atrazine's getting in our water. So like even if you buy food. So you, You guys are drinking small penis water? And this is... Not me, Lauren. And the only reason I mentioned that study because I knew you get a rise out of it, but also it's true. And the problem with it is this is stuff we can avoid. We can eat organic food all day long and make good purchasing decisions.

But it's in our water. You know, how are we going to avoid this? Can we get a filter on our water? What's the filter to get? I mean, not all filters actually get rid of atrazine. You still find little minus amounts. But yeah. And I think you know Alex Clark.

on this show. And we talked about the frogs and the gays in the water and all the stuff, like turning gay frogs, whatever they are. And what I said, I was like, you know, the problem with a lot of these sound bite clips and shows, I'll even like pick on this one, is clips get pulled out of context. And what I think is so important is to do what you're doing and explain to people what is happening, why it's getting into the food supply, why it's getting into the water, what is being sprayed on the crops, how that is then being ingested. We were talking the other day like birth control being the water people you're like what are you guys talking about these things are happening because of the way that we consume the way that we defecate the way that we get rid of things the way that we

detox all these and they're getting into the environment and into our food supply and into our cleaning supplies beauty supplies and you might not have an issue right away but over time you have this toxic overload and that's when you start to have these autoimmune and breakdowns and gut issues and hormone issues and fertility issues and all these things and all you have to do is look at the data all these things are on the rise. Cancer's, lack of fertility, you know, hormone disruptions, gut issues. And it indicates that we are not living the way that we should be living, right? And so, like, that's my big passion. I really don't care who accomplishes that or who gets the message out more. I don't care if it's the left or the right or Bobby Kennedy or somebody else or you or anybody

else that are doing these things. But I think people should just be aware that something is not going right and we need to make a change. I'd like to say that the Food Babe Army, the people that have known me the longest, have watched this fight, Warren, you know, others, you see that I'm in it to try to make a change. And no matter who the administration is, I'm going to be working on this issue, right? And, but now we have something spiritual happening. I mean, we really do where never before has the president of the United States talked about chemicals and food and pesticides and talk about it during the joint address of Congress. And, you know, even high, a boy that has brain cancer and connecting it to what Secretary Kennedy is doing in his position.

This has never happened before in history. We've never had a Maha Commission report that has detailed out what's wrong with our food and the chemicals that we were being exposed to. On page 38 of that report, there's an incredible chart that shows the entire, all the chemical exposures that a human body is getting right now. That's like an assault on our system. It's the microplastics. It's the BPA. It's the pesticides. It's the food. chemicals. It's all of it, right? That's the phalaids, the BPA, you know, all of it is like an assault on us. And we have to do something to pull back, right? And there's just a common sense things that we could do right now. Like, for example, atrazine is a, is a Chinese chemical-run

herbicide. And it's a Chinese chemical being sprayed on our food. Chinese meaning it's manufactured in China. Right. Right. And it is being sprayed on our food and not 60 other other countries. And so that automatically puts us at a disadvantage from an economic perspective for the amount of health care issues that we have to deal with as a result of those chemicals, but also from just a longevity standpoint. I'll give you something again that like is just like, people should just like nobody really, like people don't, they kind of like, it's like cause and effect. People want free health care in this country. Yeah. A lot of people are not happy with the health care system and how we provide it.

But we're one of the sickest populations on the planet. And so we're not able to afford to provide free health care, like other countries that are not some of the sickest populations. The reason we had some of the worst reactions to COVID in this country is because we are metabolically unhealthy and unfit. And we are sick as a population. And so our system gets overrun and breaks down. And then you wonder why we don't have the same things. It's because if you go to the core of all these things, these other countries don't have the sick burden that we have here. So they're able to economically be able to maybe sustain some of the flare-ups that they have in those countries.

And I'm using the word flare-ups because when someone gets sick of there, it's not the entire population. When we, we as a country just can't sustain that. One, we're a big population. And two, there's a high majority that are just not in a good shape. And so there's no way to provide free health care in the country with the way that we're going. As a matter of fact, like, if we don't clean up the health care of the system and we don't get healthy as a population, the country is going to continue to go broke, right? We're not going to be able to sustain because the burden on the financial system is just,

it's so drastic that we just, we can't keep up. From a micro level, how do people avoid what you're talking about? I want to give people, so if someone's listening. Grow your own food. What if they can't grow their own food? What are some things that they, some people can't? And more importantly, what if you don't want to? Yeah.

Yeah. Well, I don't really want to grow my own food. My husband thankfully grows all of food. and I just go pick and eat it. I should have married as someone who could grow their own food. Should have married a farmer. But what can we do to avoid it? Are there words we can look for on the food?

Because what I don't want to do is just tell everyone to feel overwhelmed that they're all going to get small penises without giving them some kind of tangible takeaway. What are the things we can look for? Yeah, I mean, I think the most important label at the grocery store is organic. That's the most important label because it automatically eliminates all of these things. chemicals that I've been rallying against, the chemicals that American companies have taken out in other countries and not using here. Organic standards have already removed those chemicals. And we can trust organic. You know, yes. I mean, I think that it's, you know, it's still, you know, organic food, just to be honest, I mean, the problem with the abundance of chemicals we're using

in our environment, there's going to be runoff and cross-contamination issues and all kinds of stuff. But organic food is going to be the, you. easiest way to avoid, first of all, the very toxic pesticides that are used like that I've talked about here today, glyphosate and atrazine. And then it's going to help you avoid all of those other chemicals like, you know, azodicarbonymyte and caramel color level four and all the artificial food dyes and BHA and BHT and titanium dioxide. You'll avoid all of that. But then you'll also avoid other chemicals that they use in the production of meat like ractopamine, which is banned in other countries, but we use it here.

the production of pigs, you know, we give it to pigs. It actually says on the label, do not feed the humans, but we give it to our animals and then we eat. Then there is antibiotics. Antibiotics are not allowed for use in organic food or growth hormone. So you're automatically doing better by just choosing that one label. That's the only label, honestly, that I would look for. I wouldn't care about non-GMO. I wouldn't care about gluten-free. I wouldn't care about unless you have celiac disease, right? I wouldn't care about sugar-free. I wouldn't care about any of that. I would look for organic and then read the ingredient label. That's it. What's an ingredient that we've all been led to believe is healthy, but it's not? Natural flavors. So natural flavors is on just about like 80% of the products and grocery store shelves, but this is an additive that is made from the same scientist who hooked us to tobacco. And the way they hooked us to tobacco is using flavor. agents to completely take over the old factory system of your brain and and hijack your taste buds and hijack your brain sensors to remember a flavor and crave that flavor and create

addiction. They're now using that same technology and natural flavors. And it could mean thousands of chemicals under that one label because it's not required to list out those chemical names under the one word natural flavor. And it's the one thing that literally just keeps you coming back for more. And it's, it's, you know, I talk about, in one of my books, I talk about Annie's chocolate bunnies. Don't do it. Don't ruin the mac and cheese for me. No, I'm sure that probably has. I had a bite yesterday. Is it bad? No, these chocolate bunnies are like, you know, I eat them thinking, you know, they're delicious, but I can't stop eating them. And I'm like, why do I keep going back for more? It's the natural flavor, right? That keeps me going back for more.

so I don't eat them anymore. And it's, it's, I don't want to be tricked, right? I don't want to like have my taste bugs hijacked by some chemical that the food industry uses to like play tricks on me. So I just decide not to buy anything with natural flavor. Now, occasionally natural flavor gets in my cart because, you know, I'll have a weak moment, whatever, something happens. There's a new product.

I don't check the label. Something happens. What's your weak moment? I love a donut. Let me tell you. I love a donut. a crispy cream or a Dunkin' Donuts. But I'll eat a really good donut from a bakery, from something fresh, you know?

You don't ever just, like, sit in bed and eat McDonald's. No, no. I would never eat McDonald's. You wouldn't? No. Not even a happy meal once a year. No. No, absolutely not.

It would disgust me. I would eat it. I like a happy meal. Sometimes, once in a while. What I think? With just cheese and meat. I just know too much. I know too much.

I mean, the French fries have. have dimethylopylosyloxane. But here's what I think. I think that as long as we, like, when I eat the McDonald's, I know all the shit that's in it and I know what I'm doing and I know I'm going to feel like shit after. And I think that then it's okay because I know because I've looked into it. Yeah. I think where it becomes a problem is when you feel like you're being duped, like you said.

And then you eat it and you're like, why don't I feel good? I thought this was like a fresh subway with fresh whatever. How do you manage to do what? you do and keep the politics out of it. Like, how do you show up to all these events and you just put your blinders on without feeling like you're supporting any agenda? Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I think it's just easy because I just, I'm focused on one issue and I just keep going and, you know, I'm surrounding myself. I mean, I think we have an amazing coalition of people, right? There's all walks of life coming together on these issues. And I think a lot of people have put politics aside to work

on these issues. And it's, it's beautiful to watch because that's the only thing that's going to change the world. And it's, I think what's so powerful about what's happening. And I, I really hope the people who are running for office in the future consider what's happening here, because there's a huge political base starting that is now a voting base on these issues. And and we're going to be expecting our politicians to be carrying this message year after year post President Trump and others, right? And who are going to be the next leaders that take on these issues because it's not going to be done in four years, right? There's no way to undo the madness that quickly. It's going to take probably many decades to fix what's been done.

And even then, who knows where we'll be. So this is work that's going to continue. And it's on the very early stages. And I just hope that it continues because it's so important. I just, I don't want anyone to ever feel like I used to feel, right? And I think that there is such a moment for Americans that are suffering with these diseases to get clean of these chemicals and realize a life they never thought was possible and find out why they were meant to be here on Earth and go do that work. And I don't really truly think you can go do that work and, like, find. your calling until your brain is clear and the chemicals get out of your body and you start to feel

really healthy. Like I don't think that sick people can do what they're meant to do and like accomplish everything they want to do in this life. I know this because I'm watching my dad suffer from these chronic diseases and I know he doesn't want to be in the position he's in right now. I know he'd rather be out at the university teaching students and doing all the work that he was really passionate about for most of his life. And I see the suffering that's happening. And I think so many people don't even understand that they have a choice right now. I mean, Marxists, who I know is a friend of y'all's too, he said something so profound. He's like, you know, after the age of 40, it's like your full-time job to be healthy. It's your full-time job to be healthy if you want to live a life that is meaningful

and it is amazing and the quality of life that you want to live when you get older. Otherwise, it just goes downhill from there, you know. So we have to make this a commitment. This needs to be a priority in this country for all Americans. Otherwise, we're going to continue down the trajectory that is frankly just so appalling and so saddening. And it brings me to tears when I think about how many people are actually suffering. What do you think the Maha movement and the individuals involved could do better to reach the opposition or people who are hesitant about what you guys are doing? Yeah, that's a great question. I mean, I think, I really think they're doing a really good job. I am really impressed with the leadership that Secretary Kennedy has shown in terms of not

getting involved in the dog-e-dog politics of what's happening in the world, where he tells the truth about, you know, the corporate interests and the special interests that are controlling a lot of the elected politicians that he's working with in his organ, you know, in his agency, as well as in other cabinets and how, you know, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, you know, really just like trying to stay as a political as possible in a way, while also recognizing the amazing leadership of President Trump by bringing these issues to light, right, and, and elevating his voice and putting him in that position. And so where I, I draw the line with politics is like, you'll never see me get into like a Democrat versus Republican thing. What I'll always do

is just tell the truth about what I'm seeing, right? And, and, and, I think if everyone keeps doing that, then, you know, everything's up for grabs. How do you handle any criticism or comments that you get online? What's your way to deal with it? Gosh, I've come a long way. Why? Because did you use to, like, tell us your trajectory. How did it work?

Well, I imagine in the early days you probably got very little and people were excited. And then you probably start getting a bigger platform. You get more. And then you got into this and you probably get people that have never followed you before that are going nuts. And it's, I imagine it's just like, change. changed over time. Yeah, it has. And, you know, I think, you know, what I went through about 10 years ago where the food and chemical lobby kind of unleashed their gauntlet on me and they had astroturf campaigns where they'd leave no comment left behind or anytime I was featured in the media, there would be like

100 mean comments or demeaning comments where they call me names like pseudoscientist or anti-science or woo-woo or misinformation. I don't have that pressure anymore. And I don't know. I just, I think I have a thicker skin. I realize that. this isn't really about me. This mission isn't about me and who I am. It's about a bigger mission of like helping the world and helping humanity. And so like if they want to attack me, I just kind of look past it and just keep going. There's almost like I like a built up like a thick armor from that time period because I really had to go spiritually deep and figure out the meaning of what I'm doing and why I was doing it and what I if I wanted to keep continuing. And then having children, I

think has strengthened me tremendously, becoming a mother, doing it for them, showing them what's possible, and showing them that they can be unconventional and speak out and even despite all the criticism and everything you can keep going and tell your voice. Well, I think you mentioned earlier that there's like a spiritual awakening. And I'll go with that, but I will also maybe point out that we're living in an interesting time where the general narrative or a lot of the information that was funneled to us for years was through very specific large channels, right?

And it was curated in a way where only certain kinds of information were able to break through those channels in certain kinds of way, right? And now we live in a time where you have channels like this and many others that are able to offer differing narratives or differing opinions

to those general narratives. So if you look at it from, like, from an information overload perspective, in the past, if it came to what's in our ingredients, you would likely be beholden to whatever lobbying was done and whatever information reached those main channels. Now that can be done and then someone like yourself can say, oh, by the way, did you guys also see this or that? And so it diminishes the power that those original channels initially had, which is why I think you start to see a lot of them in like this death row to kind of discredit many platforms like this one,

like yours, like others. Because it's a counter to the information that they're putting out. And what it does is it creates this situation where individuals are starting to say, like, wait a minute, I don't know if I really believe that. Maybe some of it's true, but what about this, this, this, this, this and this. And so it's this information overload now that people are able to say, ah, like, now that I'm aware of all of this, I can come to a different consensus. Again, I just, I want to make this point that this group of wellness, health entrepreneurs, all the people that care about these issues, like, we're coming together in such a big way. It's, it's a, it's a movement. that is the biggest I've seen. And I think the reason why we're so impactful and we're not getting attacked like we used to is we just have such incredible leadership at every helm. And then I'm surrounded by incredible people

that understand these issues and have been fighting for these issues. I think about like Dr. Mark Hyman and Callie Means and Dr. Casey Means and others that are just incredible voices and have been doing this work. And it's, I don't know, we have, we have a unique time where, you know, people have asked me like, you know, gosh, you know, you're a lifelong Democrat. And to see you in the White House, you know, doing this now, it's, it's so weird and crazy. And I have also, you know, nonprofits that I've worked with for, you know, over a decade that

are upset with me and in sending me nasty messages, too. And I keep asking them why. Like, isn't it good for the country that now the Republicans are also concerned about this issue? Like, isn't this amazing that we have both sides of the political spectrum, the left Democrats who traditionally carried these issues, you know, the hippies and everybody, right? And now we have the right side leading on this issue. It's absolutely incredible. And we're actually seeing change. I mean, we were getting artificial food dyes eliminated from the food supply, you know, hopefully in the next two years.

years. We have infant formula taking a look at that and looking at the nutritional data behind that so that we can have better for you infant formulas available for for for mothers. Now, as a breastfeeding mother, I wish, you know, everyone could breastfeed. I just know that's not a reality, but we need to stop recommending infant formula where the first ingredient is corn syrup, right? Like we need to have better for you things here in the United States. We should not expect, you know, American mothers to have to go to Europe to feed their kids. You know, we have so much momentum where, you know, we have Secretary Kennedy looking and closing this grass loophole that generally regarded as safe loophole that has allowed food companies to inundate our food supply with all these

chemicals in the first place because they're self-policing. They approve the chemicals themselves and they get them rubber stamped by the FDA. He's going to close that loophole. That's amazing work, right? That's like undoing years of damage to the fact that our regulatory agencies have failed us. And so just those couple things is incredible to get done in four years. And I can't imagine that was just in the first 100 days. Imagine if we just all decided, you know, regardless of politics, we're going to get America healthy again. And we're going to all come together on these issues. We would be completely unstoppable.

The industry wouldn't know what to do with themselves. We would have new innovation like we would never see before, new company. take place. I mean, the reason why I started my company, Truvani, was because I was sick of seeing protein powder full of these additives and these gums, and they were like making me bloated and feel sick. I wanted to create something with the least amount of chemicals. And when I was created in it, I couldn't believe that some of the chemicals were used for the actual machine. For the machine to run faster, they were putting, excuse me, Xantham gum and maltodextrin and other additives like that, for the machine to run faster so you can spend less time on the machine so you can

spend less on the manufacturing and you make those few pennies. I couldn't believe that that's the reason why some of these additives were being added to protein powder. And I decided, you know what, we're going to do it a different way. We're going to run the machine slower. But we're going to put people over profits. Those are the type of companies we need to see in the next generation that are putting people over profits. And the legacy corporations that have poisoned us to death need to die. If you could require three things in every child's lunchbox in America, what would you require?

Oh, that's just a good question. I would require a vegetable, a protein, and a fat probably. But the protein could be fat combined, so maybe a fruit. So, yeah, that's kind of what I do in my daughter's lunch. What would you eliminate? Oh, gosh, luncheables and Capri-son and... Remember we used to drink squeeze-its? I mean, we used to do everything.

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They've done a good job. We have Unreal M&Ms in our popcorn. Yummer. Yeah, we have Yum Earth. Yeah. The Unreal's the chocolate. The Eminems we put in our family movie night popcorn. Shout out to Pop Smith.

We use Popsmith, coconut oil, and butter. But I also, and I think this is relevant. We had our friend Chervine on the show who, you know, and I do think, while it is exciting to think about government eliminating some of these practices that these companies are using to take advantage of us. What we try to do on this show is imagine if nothing's going to change. I'm not saying this. You guys are doing a lot of stuff.

But imagine nothing. The individual has to take some personal accountability and get informed on what they're putting on and in their body. Meaning, like, this has not been the largest issue for me personally because I take the time to check the labels and see what I'm doing and seeing where I'm sourcing. I'm not like I joke I'll eat at McDonald's once every blue moon but I'm not running around me like well the government didn't do this for me so now I'm just going to eat like shit all the time and this is like I can't stop myself from living this way because nobody stepped in and regulated

this like I mean this is for the mom that doesn't know better that doesn't have the time that doesn't you know this is for the kids at school that get served artificial food dies all day long and teachers are wondering why their kids can't sit still right this is for for everyone who's getting served this food. And it's for all of us, too, that are fortunate to know the truth. I mean, how many times have you traveled and you can't find one thing to eat at the airport? I mean, not one good thing to eat at the airport. It's all garbage.

Right. But here's okay, let me give you some, I'll give you some pushback. The mom and the dad that don't have time. I don't believe anybody, you don't have time. Everybody has time for what they make a priority. What do you think about my parents who came here as immigrants, very trusting in the American Food Supply? They made everything from scratch back home, came to a,

America, they didn't know what had been done to the food, right? Like, it's hard. I'm not going to say it's not hard. I'm not going to say there's circumstances economically and that. But the point is, is the reason you do this kind of thing. And if you're a parent, like, it is part of your obligation to figure out what is healthy, what is good, seek out the information. It is hard, though, when you send your kids to school. We do need leadership at the highest levels to make this a priority for Americans and tell them the truth. Because for so long, we have been totally. We have been told what is true about nutrition and food by the media that's been funded by these corporations. And I'm not disagree with that. But the point is, is we have information and outlets at our disposal.

And the airport example, I get that example. It sucks. But like if I'm traveling and I know I'm not going to have good options, like I figure something out and I bring it. Right. Like there's things people can do. And what I don't like, and I didn't like this during COVID and I don't like it. I don't like the idea that government, big government is going to come in and fix this for me. because time and time again, the government is fair. If they can have transparency in the truth, innovation and industry will fix itself. Americans will demand it with voting with their dollars, right? They'll start choosing companies like Truvani and others at the grocery store instead, right? That is what the next wave is, right? It's to spawn innovation in this space.

It's the fact that they're saying that our food is poisoned and now we have awareness about that. And people are going to be making better decisions. And so it's going to spawn innovation. And so when I think about like Gandhi's quote, you want to see change that you wish to see in the world, right? Like wouldn't it be awesome if you walked into every single airport across America and you could get just clean whole foods, no seed oils, like amazing organic food available, right? Like wouldn't it like a sun life or like, you know, a true food kitchen? And where this audience may be shocked is I think, I believe in capitalism. I think the options should exist for all of it and people should make, if you want to eat the McDonald's or you want to drink the alcohol,

I'm not saying. But, yeah. I just don't like the premise that individuals can release personal accountability and that government will fix it. I think it's a partnership where you're like, yes, we would love it if government provided these options and gave us the information. But, you know, it's a rigged market. I mean, the fact that these American companies have already figured out how to make their products safer and better for so many other citizens and not their own American citizens is unethical. and it's hypocritical. And the fact that we've allowed them to let that happen,

we're going to be closing that loophole, right? And to even the marketplace, right? And I think those things are very common sense, and they're not the nanny state kind of situation that you're describing that the government would get involved in. It's really to make things a level playing field for humans. I'm just skeptical enough to see where government, like, listen, there's a lot of things that I would like to change on the fiscal side

and on the economic side around policy, but I can't wait around as an entrepreneur, as an individual for the government to make that change. I have to be able to work within the system and have the mindset that they're not going to do anything to help me and that I've got to figure it out myself. And I think of the same thing I've taught like personal health and accountability. Like if you give all that away and you just say the government will do it for me and it's their responsibility to make me healthy, well now what you're doing is you're putting someone in a situation where they have an excuse to not be healthy because the government didn't do it for them. But I think that that's why your platform government. aside is so important because you are a resource for people who want to know more, and that's what you've always been.

Yeah. Is you've been an outlet for mothers who don't know to come and be like, holy shit, I didn't know that there was natural flavors in the chocolate bunnies. Like, I think that's what's so cool about what you do. Yeah. And that's the key is to give people options, choices, swap. Hey, I believe in personal responsibility. And this is one of the reasons why you could say that in my.

language when I talk about these chemicals is a little inflammatory because I want to get people people's reaction. I want them to pay attention. I want them to learn this information so they can't unlearn it and they make better choices for themselves. They wake up, right? The reason why I compared azodicarbonamide to, you know, yoga mat and shoe rubber is because it is used in the application of those, but it's just a way for you to remember that that's a chemical that shouldn't be in our bodies, that we shouldn't be eating, right? And it's also like, I think there's just, there's an amazing thing happening because of the conversation happening at the national level. Everybody's waking up to these ideas.

And they can start making better choices right here, right now. And they can go to the grocery store, they can go to the farmer's market, they can start to grow their own food. Growing your own food is like printing your own money. The fact that I haven't had to buy cilantro or arugula or spinach in the last six months is because of my husband. in the fact that he grows this food on our front porch. No, and what you guys have going for you is like that the other side arguing for these additives and these chemicals and the harmful agreements, like there's not a great argument to have this other than like it drives profit, right?

Yeah. Or makes things cheaper for the consumer. And then I think people go down the rabbit all, like, what is cheaper better if it's at the expense of long-term health and happiness. So, no, listen, I am always going to give a little bit of pushback because I want people to listen to all of this and make a well-rounded decision. Yeah, I mean, I mean, we could just stick with the status quo, Michael, and just let the chemical companies overrun our bodies with these chemicals that other countries don't use and just completely decimate our health, right? I mean,

that's the other option, right? That's clearly not a good option. Yeah. But again, I just, I think it's an, it's an awareness and it's a combination of like, we hope these things are going to change. You vote not only with your vote, but with your dollars, that these things will change. you support innovative entrepreneurs that are offering healthier, cleaner, better for you alternatives and support those people to do that. But at the same time, you have to have a healthy skepticism that the government can't do all this for you. And if you live a way that you believe that they can and you don't ever make the change because you're waiting for them to go do something, it's kind of like, you know, hey, please stop spending all your money every paycheck and running

your finances into the ground and rocking up credit card. You're like, well, until somebody teaches me about money. I mean, I don't know. I mean, there could be people. waiting around for the government to make these changes. But I think once people learn this information, they start to make better choices. And that's the whole point of it. Some little facts about what your petitions have done is this is crazy. Subway is planning to remove chemicals from all their sandwich breads.

You got craft to remove artificial dyes from their mac and cheese products. You got beer companies to share their ingredients from their beers. Amheuser-Busch and Miller's Quartz, they're sharing ingredients with their beers online. This one, to me, is really impressive. The Starbucks, it's in process of removing caramel coloring from all their drinks. They've done it already, yeah. So to me, those are four things that you did without any intervention. The people did that, right?

Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. The people did that. But it was, it was really cool, but it was a game of whack-a-mole. It was like one chemical here, one product there. Right. You know, and then what did they replace it with? Well, they haven't, thankfully. But it's, you know, and this was, and this is where, you know, I found myself at the Senate back in September

and having this like deep spiritual moment being at the U.S. Senate, telling the truth about how these food companies are poisoning us with ingredients they don't use in other countries and showing the examples of McDonald's French fries in the UK, which has three ingredients with salt being optional. And here in the United States, it's 11 ingredients, including dimethylopolysiloxane and TBHQ and all kinds of chemicals that don't belong in our body, showing those examples of, you know, fruit loops here versus fruit loops in other countries, tricks and skittles and Gatorade and how Gatorade there, you know, there doesn't have any artificial food dose, but we're using that caramel color that Starbucks took out here in the United States and Red 40.

Showing these side-by-side comparisons really woke up our government leaders. And it was that moment that, you know, I stopped to pause and Secretary Kennedy was in that room as well as Senator Ron Johnson and I looked at them both in the eyes and I said to them, why is it citizen activists like me and others that follow me holding these companies accountable? Why isn't it politicians in Washington like you? Right. And when I said that, the room went electric and they nodded their heads in agreement. And shortly thereafter, I took 400,000 signatures to Kellogg's headquarters. They told us, told us to get off their lawn. They had had a big sign in the window.

I've never been so bad in my entire life. And it was the perfect actually gift that day because it made our movement stronger and brought us together. Because they told you to leave. Yeah. And we had a thousand people on the ground. It was absolutely incredible to watch so many kids,

so many moms. And they told us to leave. They didn't even let us in with the 400,000 voices we collected, didn't even just sit down and just receive them, nothing. They literally told us to go away. And, you know, we had some elected officials

with us that day. they wouldn't even sit down with them. It was quite interesting what they decided to do right there. And I remember tweeting shortly thereafter that, Kellogg's refusal to meet with us will be the biggest PR mistake of the food industry. And it has. It's played out correct because shortly thereafter, Secretary Kennedy took our unheard voices on the campaign trail and elevated them all the way up to President Trump. And then President Trump won, put Secretary Kennedy in a position of power. and then within the first, you know, 100 days of,

in the first few weeks of the new FDA commissioner, Dr. Marty McCarrie, they made the announcement that they're phasing out artificial dies. So not only did this one campaign on Kellogg's spawn an entire movement, but it gave enough political willpower for the people in power to make a big decision on this, which I don't know would have ever gotten done without that.

No, likely not. It would have been status quo, probably. Yeah, it would have. And it's incredibly popular, obviously. Moms, I can't tell you how many mothers I've heard from that their children's lives have been improved by removing artificial food dyes, whether it's the ADHD medication that they got to remove or their child's eczema improved or, you know, all kinds of different stories I've heard throughout the years because I've been working on this for so long. But I just think about the mom who, you know, finally is going to be able to go to the grocery store and not have to read the ingredient label of, you know, the icing on the

birthday cake and worrying about that at the birthday party or the Doritos and the Gatorade being served after the game or the Easter basket and the Halloween bucket. It's on and on and on and it's every holiday and it's every holiday. And it's every holiday death aisle that comes out every single time. What is going on on Christmas and birthdays? Yeah, yeah. I'm like, what is this? And Valentine's Day and Easter and Halloween.

It's nonstop. It's all year long. It's just a big poison fest. and it's got to stop. And thankfully, I think, you know, within a few years, we're going to have some of these chemicals out of the food. But, you know, it's still far from perfect. But it's a start, right?

Yeah. I mean, I want to blanketly say so people are not confused about my position. I've been very supportive about what you and this administration has been doing when it comes to the stuff that you guys have been working on. And I think it's pretty incredible that for the first time, in a long time, this is coming to the forefront. But what I do also want to articulate at the same time to this audience, especially parents, is that,

you and I and Lauren and others have been doing these kinds of things and making these kind of changes in our own lives and in our children's lives for a long time. We've had limited resources and you've had to read every label and you've had to kind of dodge the things that you shouldn't touch. But I don't want people to think that they can't do these things right now as you guys are also working to get some of these other things out of the market. Because I think that's where people start to lose hope. They're like, well, I'm just overwhelmed and everything's poisoning me and I can't do anything. And you know as well as there's things right now and ingredients and companies that you can follow and buy that can help accomplish what we're all talking about here.

Speaking of, I'm going to do a healthy alternative rapid fire for you. Okay. So I like to give the audience something to take away in their own home. So I'm going to list a bunch of foods and you can give me your healthy alternative if there is one. Okay. Chips Ahoy cookies. Stiette cookies.

I didn't know they made cookies. Yeah. They make really good cookies. Right. Seltar water with your own lemon. I don't know if my kids are going to go for that one. We add honey. So there's a, okay, there's a new company called Fresh Fizz.

It's going to be available at sprouts. They have an alternative sprite made with honey. Okay. And date syrup, yeah. Craft mac and cheese. Make my recipe from my first cookbook, Food Babe Kitchen. I don't know, anything out of a box with the powdered, just grate your cheese and put it on some pasta with a little milk.

Yeah. Doritos. I have also a recipe for Doritos and Food Babe family. What if we can't make a rest of? recipe for Doritos. If I was start making a recipe for Doritos, I think I'm going to start churning butter in the back. Doesn't you have another chip that's like that or no?

Yeah, it may have a problematic or two ingredient in there, I think. Nothing. You should invent it. Can we do a true Vanit Dorito? What about Masa chips? Masa chips are pretty good. Masa chips are pretty good. Beef tall. Yeah. Yeah, masa chips and the other one that's

first with the V-Van something, but. Oh, Vandy chips. Yeah, the Vanity chips. And there's another one, tatamata's chips. They sent me some chips recently. I'm not affiliated with most of these brands, but they sent me some chips to try, and they used no oil, zero oil, which I thought was so cool, but they're not a Dorito. Formula. Weston A Price, make your own?

What if you can't make your own? If you had to pick, gun to your head. Maybe something out of Europe. So I would go for, like, it's because of FDA regulations that they label it as a toddler formula like Serenity Kids. And I would just do the, I would just do it for your infant anyways. Yeah. Lucky charms. Lovebird. Lovebird.

Yeah. Fruit roll-ups. Oh. There's a company called peaceful fruits that make delicious fruit roll-ups that are organic and delicious. If someone wants to change their cupboard tomorrow before you go, what would you eliminate if you were doing a food-babe makeover? The easiest thing to get out of your cabinet that would eliminate the most ultra-prudel. processed foods. I'm going to have to pick two corn, soy, or canola oil and natural flavor. Where can everyone find you? Where can they find your company? You gave us a discount. You guys,

her protein powder, the plant-based vanilla protein is so good. I've had it before many times. You can shop trivani at shop.truvani.com slash skinny and you can use code skinny for 20% off. But where can we come say hi? Pimp yourself out. Yeah, you can come on over to foodbabe.com. You can follow me on on social The Food Babe. You can come to Truvani.com. We have an amazing way protein coming out very soon. It's made with 100% grass-fed milk, incredible ingredients, three ingredients for the vanilla.

It is going to be a world-class, renowned way. I'm really excited about that. Did you just do something with Aaron Rogers? Did I see that? Yes. Is that officially announced? We could take it out if not. Yeah, yeah, sure.

Yeah. So we got a small investment from RX3, one of his funds. Okay, cool. That's a good fund. Yes. I like the people over there. Yeah, they're so nice. And it's been incredible because it's helped us expand into Target, which is really

exciting. So we are in Target now on the protein aisle. It's incredible. That's really cool. And I'm eating. That's my favorite flavor. This is really good. That's the cherry chocolate is.

The ingredients, just so you guys can hear this, it's so transparent, almonds, cashews, dates, cherries, maple syrup, chocolate, vanilla, sea salt. Yeah, an all-organic, USDA-certified. It's really good. Yeah, ingredients you would find in your own kitchen. That's why it's called the only bar, only ingredients she would find her in kitchen. I think my kids, you know what I can do too? I can roll it in a protein bar or in a ball.

Oh, yeah. And pretend like it's a dessert. It's really good. Congratulations on everything you're doing. Thank you so much.