The Bossticks - We Had A Threesome With Sofia Franklyn & Here's Everything You Want To Know

Episode Date: April 5, 2021

#345: On today's episode we are joined by Sofia Franklyn. Sofia is the host of the podcast Sofia With An F and the former Co-host of the Call Her Daddy Podcast. On today's episode we dive deep into the personal side of Sofia. We learn all about her life and what led to her career in the podcast world. We also discuss her perspective on the Call Her Daddy podcast break up and everything you didn't hear from her at the time. We also discuss some of the wildest sex fantasies people have and more! To connect with Sofia Franklyn click HERE To connect with Lauryn Evarts click HERE To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM To Call the Him & Her Hotline call: 1-833-SKINNYS (754-6697) This episode is brought to you by Beekeeper's Naturals Beekeeper's Naturals is on a mission to reinvent your medicine with clean, effective products that actually work. Bee propolis delivers natural germ-fighting properties and antioxidants to defend and protect our bodies. It's sustainably sourced and this Spray is made with just three simple ingredients. You'll never find refined sugars, dyes, or dirty chemicals in these products. Ever. We've worked out an exclusive deal for Skinny Confidential listeners. Receive 15% off your first order. Go to www.BEEKEEPERSNATURALS.com/SKINNY or use code SKINNY at checkout to claim this deal.  This episode is brought to you by No Days Wasted Their hero product is called DHM Detox, which is the vitamin for people who like to enjoy their drinks. It's designed to help you bounce back the next day. Get 20% off your order and free shipping in the US. Just head over to www.NoDaysWasted.CO/SKINNY and use promo code "SKINNY" at checkout This episode is brought to you by Joovv. Experience the benefits of red light therapy by one of the best in the business; JOOVV! To experience the Joovv and receive a free gift with purchase go to joovv.com/skinny Produced by Dear Media 

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I didn't say something insensitive. I didn't use a racial slur. I had a falling out with a friend and I was canceled. And so it's a very, you know, specific situation. And I think I don't think I fully recovered from it, to be completely honest with you. Oh, hello. Welcome back. Fancy seeing you here.

That clip was from our guest of the show today, Sophia Franklin. She is the podcaster behind the podcast, Sophia with an F, formerly the co-host of Call Her Daddy. and today we're having a threesome. No stranger to controversy. No stranger to controversy. Any of us, I guess, but her especially. I want to get into Sophia, but first I need to tell you guys something so exciting. So if you've been following the Skinny Confidential for the last 12 years, you know that I have

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So at the Skinny Confidential, make sure you're following for the big reveal on Wednesday. I'm hoping I can retire off of you. Okay. Sophia. So we flew to Utah to do a podcast. swap with her. We are on her podcast as well. So, Sophia with an F. It went all over the place. She asked us every question you could possibly ask about our sex life, parenting life. We talked about trauma. We talked about a lot of things. I thought she was going to go more into like mindset,

entrepreneurial tools, those things. I was very surprised when we only went into sex. And I'm just fucking kidding. I knew we were going in there. Yeah, what are you talking about? I knew we were doing that. Yeah, we had a three some on her podcast. So I just want to say that after this interview and reflecting on it, that the amount of hate and trolling that she got is truly unbelievable. It's not okay. I have reflected on it as a mother and I don't, she didn't do something so bad that it should have garnered that much hate. Well, let's say this. I think the internet's a cruel place and I think sometimes all of us can can forget that people, you know, both just people that are generally just consuming social, people that are creating content on social,

people doing podcasts, YouTube, you know, any kind of content. I think people forget sometimes that we're all humans at the end of the day and people fuck up, people screw up. I've been talking about this. Lawrence been talking about this for a long time over the last year. It's like we're all human guys. We got to remember we just had David Meltzer on and people are losing the gift of forgiveness. They're losing the, they're losing the ability to forgive people, give people leeway as human beings. And that's something that all of us can do better is realize that at the end of day we're all humans, we're all living on this earth together. And is it really worth it to go that hard and try to tear somebody down that bad? Of course, there's people out there that, you know,

criminals, people that are doing horrendous things, like, yes, those people should be held to account. But remember, people that are just creating content, maybe making a mistake or two, saying something they didn't mean to say, like they're human beings. We've all had those moments. And it's a little, it's a little insensitive and a little inhuman, in my opinion, when people just go off the handle trying to ruin somebody's life. Yeah, the hate is honestly wild to have 40,000 comments. of just awful things is not okay. So in this episode, we of course talk about the controversy. We got the scoop. We got the juice. She was very, very open more than I've ever heard her be before. And we talked for a long time. I mean, cumulatively, when we did her show and our show, it was like almost three

hours of talking. So we kind of, you know, we went deep in a lot of places, got a lot of juice, like Lauren said, got her perspective. And I would also like to say that, you know, Lauren and I have a pretty neutral platform. We try to have all walks of life on here, try to have different perspectives. And I know that the community, the former call her daddy community was a massive community. And before everybody starts chirping in saying, why did you have one and not the other? We reached out to both. One said yes. One said no.

Or at least I think said no, maybe got some agents involved. Who knows? But listen, we're not taking sides. We're just at the end of the day, we interview people. We hear their side of the story. And we ask questions. So that's where we stand. Obviously, a lot of people wanted to know what was going on here.

And so this episode is obviously from Sophia's perspective. Sophia Franklin. She describes herself in her bio as basic, greedy, lazy, submissive. And that's just a little bit about me. I would say she's none of those things after interviewing her. She is an entrepreneur. She is a badass. She's a podcaster.

And she sells the cutest merch. I'm especially obsessed with the salute hat. I've been wearing it a lot. With that, let's welcome Sophia with an F to the skinny confidential, him and her podcast. This is the skinny confidential, him and her. I want to go back to when you were little. Okay. Like I don't want to start where everyone starts when interviewing you.

I want to know what you were like when you were little because you are, and I mean this in the nice way, polarizing an amazing way. You push boundaries. You're not doing what everyone else is doing. And that's a rare trait where you always like that when you were little. I think I grew up feeling a little bit different than everyone else. my family is not from here. They're not from the United States. I grew up in Utah, where we are right now.

So even though I am white passing, I felt very, I was about to say Spanish. It's Latinx. So I felt like a little bit of an outsider that way. I went to a private Catholic school in the middle of Mormon, Utah. I felt like an outsider that way. And I grew up with a lot of trauma. And I felt like an outsider in that way. And so I think that is kind of why I became like this polarizing character.

That makes sense. So it's almost like you felt you were different. So why not just act different? I never intentionally wanted to be edgy or different. I think it was just innate. It was just that's just who I am like from day one. Do you think when you were little, did you think you were meant for big things? No.

Not at all. I never thought about that. I mean, of course, when I was like, you know, middle school, like, oh, my God, I want to be Britney Spears, that type of shit. I never for a second thought I was destined to be something ever. What about now? Yeah. Good. Fucking own it.

Is that okay to say? Yeah. I feel it. Yeah. We need people like you opening space for women. Yep. Like, it's so important. Like, you should own it. Right. So you said you dealt with trauma. We talked a little bit about this on your podcast. What were some of the traumas that you look back on that maybe actually helped shape you to who you are? Because I find that people that have experienced a lot of adversity have more depth. They're easy to talk to. They're more open. They're less judgmental. What are some of those things that you went through and how do you kind of use them today in your benefit? I agree with you. My emotional development, I'm very My emotional intelligence is extremely high because my biological father was not in my life. So I think my mom had a lot of guilt about that.

So I went to therapy like from the beginning. Like from the beginning, like wearing diapers, my mom put me in therapy. Wow. Because she felt guilty and she was like, I'm raising a daughter as a single mom. So I think that's why my emotional intelligence is. excuse me, emotional intelligence is so high. And some other things that I think shape me, I think the father thing, I, and we talked about this on my episode that you guys came on, there was substance abuse growing up.

I think it was traumatic for my mom and all her brothers and sisters to move to a completely different country when they're teenagers. And so I think their leftover trauma has been passed on to me and all of my cousins also. I'm just like going down the list of all the fucked up things. But back to your question is how was I able to overcome it? I think my mom really set me up with the tools. I really, I will give her that. I think therapy and I have never felt ashamed of trauma in any way. That's a big one because I think a lot of people feel shame. especially here in Utah.

Yes. Shame is the big thing. Yes. That is a big thing. And I don't think I've ever felt that. I'm an open book. I've always been that way. I will talk about everything.

And I think that helps when you have suffered trauma. Yeah. You know? Yeah. A lot of people aren't able to talk about everything. And I think it seems even more here. Absolutely. So when you grew up with an addict, what was the other family dynamic?

Like you said that you were taking care of your brother? What was your mom doing? Was the addict terrorizing the whole family? Yes and no. So my mom, it was obviously extremely difficult for my mom. My mom's a single mom. She had me at 20 years old. And it was very, very hard for.

for her. And because my brother and I have such a huge age gap, of course I put the mom hat on because my mom needed me to be strong for her. And that's just what happened. I felt like a motherly thing. It's kind of funny with my brother, I kind of switch between these roles of being his mom and then being the sister where I'm like, you're annoying the fuck out of me. Do you get, do you understand what I'm saying? Yeah, that makes total sense. Right. I flip flop.

Terrorizing is maybe an extreme way to put it. Maybe I'm downplaying it. It was... Because it was the normal to you. Right. Yeah. Great point. Yes.

It was the normal to me. What's your relationship with your mom like now? My mom and I are best, best friends. See, that's so cool later in life. It must be hard to have a baby at 20, but then later in life, that is amazing that you guys are 20 years apart. It is. It's amazing. It's also though, just like how I do with my brother, my mom and I will flip-flop roles. Like she'll come to me and be like, I'm dating a guy. Like, what do I do? So then I'm the mom again with her and we kind of like interchangeably do that

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One, why did you decide to come to New York? And I would love to know just like how you even like were working in an office because that blows my mind. So I think that when I was in high school and I hate saying this, but it's the truth. I do. dated this guy. He was in a grade older than me. He was like this super hot, rich, cool guy. And I was infatuated, obsessed. And he kind of was like, you need to go to college. I remember. And I was like, really? Why? He was like, that's literally how I was thinking. I never, I was, I wasn't that ambitious. And he was like, you need to go to college and like, these are the things you need to do. You I take that back. I have been ambitious. My mom has been the breadwinner always. Every marriage she's had, she's going to fucking kill me for saying that. It's not that many. She's always made the money.

She's always brought home the money. So yes, I was raised thinking you are in this by yourself. Okay. Also, I was raised to not trust men. I was raised to not think they're dependable. My dad was absent. My stepdad. had a substance abuse issue. I, in high school, he kind of told me like college and this and that. And so then I really started taking it seriously. And when I went to college, I was a very talented writer. In all my English courses, I remember my AP teacher was like, Sophia, this is, you really are talented. Like, you need to, like, go into this field.

And I thought to myself, you won't make money doing that. Let's do economics. And so I forced myself to major in economics. And I fucking hate math. Do you wish that you looking back? Yes. And to anyone listening, follow what you're passionate about. Because I did the opposite.

And I forced myself to major in that. And which college are you at? University of Utah. Okay. I jumped around a few places, but that's where I graduated from. Okay. And then I got a job at a top three finance firm. And that was it. And I wanted to die every single day. It was so boring. But I thought to myself,

that is how you will make money. And that's how you can be successful. So at what point when you're miserable every single day, do you decide I'm going to start a podcast with my friend? Was it planned out? I don't know this story. How did you even get in to your first podcast? So you don't. I mean, for me, there wasn't a day where I said, I can't take this shit anymore. I'm leaving. I wish there was that day. I mean, kind of because obviously like the trajectory of my life, I'm so grateful for everything. But I worked in that job for four years and I was really, really miserable. Wow. Four years is a long time to do something you hate. I was clinically depressed. I behaved and acted out in ways.

that I wouldn't do now. But there wasn't a moment where I was like, enough is enough. I really had convinced myself, this is just the way it is. I think that's a lot of people. Yes, this is what you have to do. That's the majority of people. Right. And it's crazy.

But I had always wanted to get out of Utah. I think it's important because it is such a specific culture here and bubble. My entire family doesn't fit the molds. they're from Argentina and from Spain. My stepdad's from New Zealand. Like no one in my family was this Utah cookie cutter mold. So I never felt I really fit in here. And my aunt, because I had a single mom, she was like a second mom, lives in New York.

So you just decided I'm going to go to New York. I went through a really, really bad breakup with a boyfriend. I had always wanted to go to New York, but I went through a really bad breakup. up and then that was the catalyst to me piecing the fuck out and moving to New York. So is it simultaneously happening that you start a podcast while you're at this job you hate? How does this even transpire this idea? Were you sitting there listening to Juicy Scoop and you thought I could do that? Like, what was going through your head when you decided that you were going to do this?

All right. So this is, my answer is going to be twofold. I needed a roommate when I was in New York. and there was a random-ass girl I had met in like an Uber pool. And I said, do you know anyone? She said, yes. She put me in touch with my ex-co host. We met each other that very day.

We signed a lease. We became best friends. We had insane chemistry. And we were approached to do a show because we were like at a bar in Austin. Actually, we were in Austin. and we were being fucking hilarious. And I was talking about like, oh, my God, devil penetration, like just being wild. Like on a stage or just out of dinner or like sitting at the bar.

Okay. And next thing we knew there were 30 people around us. Was this awesome just for fun or was there like an event? We were there for South by Southwest, but for fun. Okay. But there's people there. So you guys are in the bar talking about double penetration. All of a sudden you have 30 people around you.

Did you realize, oh shit, this is like, like we're talented? No, I didn't, but my friend at the time, she always was planning on how do I get famous. This is like what I want to do. And so she said, let's do a YouTube channel. And we filmed one YouTube video and then next thing we know we're being approached to do a podcast. That is crazy. That doesn't just happen. I mean, I haven't heard a lot of stories like that.

No. You like you guys really people when I do interviews, people will be like, what was the epiphany when you like woke up and you felt? I didn't. For you. No, but you had something that was like, I can't pinpoint something in my career. It's been so, it's been slow for me. What's so crazy about what happened to both of you. Yeah. And yours was like it blew up overnight. It was insane. You almost went viral. Like it's what happened to both of you is so crazy because it's not like most people that get into this like they they're planning it. They're taking time. They're like it just happened. And I, you know, you you kind of both just got thrown into it. You know, I think, I think I did. I don't think she did. I think she was planning on it her entire life. I was thrown into it. I had no intention of doing something like that.

Did you know that the first podcast episode that it was going to be something huge? No, I had no idea. However, I will say back to when I was like, it's twofold how this happened. When I was miserable at my job, I would listen to a podcast. and I would visualize having one myself and escaping. And I don't know if you guys buy into the secret or ask, believe, receive. Like, you know what I'm saying? I think it, I really think that that is why.

So you were manifesting this before it even happened. Thank you. That's what I was looking for. So when it happened, you maybe weren't shocked that it was happening? Or were you shocked? were you like what's going on? This is my life. This is so different than the contract. Could you guys even contextualize the scale of the sick? Like we had no idea. You know what I mean? Because at the at one point outside of Joe Rogan, it was probably the biggest show in terms of podcasts. Yes, it was. Yeah. We had no idea. But more importantly, I had really no idea. I had no clue. I didn't know the entertainment industry. I'm from Utah. I didn't know what bar stool was. I'd no clue. And I remember talking to my mom saying, I think I'm going to quit my job and do the podcast only because they're going to pay me more. And because I'd be happier, obviously.

What is your mom saying? You know, it's funny. She was a little hesitant. She was hesitant at first because I had done, I think it was three episodes while I was still working my finance job. And they were raunchy as fuck. So my mom was like, do you really want to make this a career? And I just said, I'm so depressed working in finance. I want to do this. And she said, I'm going to support you. What happens to egos during this? Like with both of you, like, how do you manage your ego when you go from working in finance,

when a job you hate to all of a sudden overnight being on the top podcast charts? You know what? I think that I hate referring to myself as an artist. but I do think that is what I am at my core. And I think a lot of artists struggle with self-doubt, you know, being self-critical. And I think that I have that so much, almost to a fault. And I'm working on it. I never had ego.

I never have had it ever, even when I was number one episode on the charts. Well, I think, like, I empathize with everybody involved in that situation. Because you two, you're doing a show, all of a sudden it becomes number one. But like, it just came out of nowhere. So it was hard to contextualize even like what it takes to be number one. Exactly. So like you didn't have that. And then from the bar stool perspective, like they meets two talented women in a bar.

Like what they do is they spot talent. And all of a sudden it becomes the biggest. Like I don't think anyone anticipated. No one was going to happen. No one did. So everyone's in this situation. And I'm sure like not into get to the business of it. Agreements were made without like nobody knew that this, the scale that this was going

to be, right? Like, Barstool saying, hey, we'll give it a try. Listen, I do that at your media. We're like, we'll take a talent. We'll see what happens. Maybe it works. Maybe it doesn't. You guys are like, okay, maybe this works. Maybe it doesn't. All of a sudden, this thing is the biggest podcast in the world. And everyone's in there like, what the fuck. Right. I don't regret signing that contract. Do I think it would have been smarter to fight to keep your intellectual property? Absolutely. But I don't regret it. I think it was smart. But you know what it would have been hard, like knowing just like me being in the position is that at the time, you wouldn't have thought about it because, like, there was, you guys were all just starting, right? And so, like, there was no leverage. There was no leverage. There was no leverage. You know what, though? I remember my mom. I remember a certain discussion when I was, when I said, mom, I'm going to sign this. She said, why have you not shopped it around or talked to one other podcast network or one other place? But let me ask you this as devil's advocate. If you had not joined that community, do I think you would have.

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But don't you feel like you, you have gotten and gained so much knowledge through all this? So, so much. So in a way, it's like, are you like kind of grateful or no? I go back and forth. I would say 75% of the time I feel so fucking grateful. And then 25% of the time, I think back to what happens. happened, how I dedicated, you know, over two years of my life to a show that I have no ownership of at all. When I'm feeling down, that 25% creeps up where I'm like, what the fuck? That was so

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Enjoy. So as you guys are growing the show and living together, because I know how it is to have a show with someone in living, together. Right. Was that challenging or was it seamless and easy and fine? It was seamless and easy and fine until I got a boyfriend. That makes sense. And then when I would leave or when I would say, I'm going to spend the weekend somewhere else, there was, I started to feel like a issue. Like, because we were kind of essentially dating each other. You know what I'm saying? So when I started dating someone and it wasn't like, I'm going to be here every second of the day and we're not going to

continue going on as we were. She didn't like that. I've had a friend like that. And it's almost like a possessive energy. Yeah. So what about my friend Weston when we got back together and he's going to be mad. I said that. But like we got back together. Right. All of a sudden I wasn't the wing guy anymore. Right. Right. What about if she had had had a boyfriend at the time that you had a boyfriend? Was that was there? Was there still? That never happened. So I'm not sure. Yeah, so you don't know. I don't know. So everything was seamless until you had a boyfriend. Did you start to notice that there was weirdness with the podcast, too, or just with the home life?

Ooh. The podcast, no. Home life a little bit when I would get home from being gone for three days or something. They're a little bit. That's where I could feel the weirdness. In the actual podcast, not so much. So when you guys were strategizing the podcast and coming up with content, was it so easy or was it hard because you had this niche subject that you're talking about? Was it easy to like, you can't just interview anyone because not everyone's open about their sex life.

How did that work? For me, it came extremely easy. I'll be honest. I think I'm just really creative. And you know what? Maybe that stems from trauma is kind of like living in your head and like escaping. I've always been very creative. And so for me, coming up with content was not difficult.

I can't say the same thing for her because she was having someone right, a lot of her content for her. But for me, it wasn't hard. So at what point were you like something's not right? Or was there not that epiphany? Was it just slow? You know, we all have those moments like when we break up with an ex. Like I can name a moment where I was like, oh,

no, this isn't going to work for me anymore. Or a friendship that hasn't worked out. I can name the little moment where I was like, you get that feeling in your stomach. Yes. I don't think I ever had a aha moment where it was like, oh, this is really bad. But I had a bunch of little red flags that popped up that I just kind of ignored. I think that when Milf Hunter, are you guys familiar with that character?

I know who the Milth Hunter is, yes. I don't. Is he the actual Milf Hunter, like the real one from back in the day? Yes. Okay. What's that? Is it porn porn? Why isn't he hunting me?

Well, listen. What's Milf Hunter? So he, I'm trying to think of how I can explain this. Essentially, my ex-best friend, co-host, the person that was writing content for her and was heavily involved in the show and was her best friend from high school, when I saw them have a falling out literally in front of me, we were all sitting in our apartment. And he started crying and he looked at me and he said, she's going to fuck you over. There was a light, bold moment there.

But there were little things leading up to it. she, do you guys like want me to like go off? I think everyone's interested in because here's what it's one of the number one questions that we got asked is how I didn't know. Well, no, here's here's, here's the thing is that you have your perspective and then she has her perspective and obviously the people involved have their perspectives and it's like I think everyone's trying to decipher like what the fuck happened. Who was in the right? Who was in the wrong? But here's the thing. I think from everyone's perspective, nobody feels they were in the wrong. Yeah, it's probably everyone feels like their intentions were the right intentions. That's the difficult thing.

is like I don't think anyone's like, maybe there, maybe I'm wrong. But I think everyone's sitting there like, no, my perspective is the right one. No, mine's the right one. So I think that for me, the actual business disagreement, I can see both sides. I'm a very rational person. And that I understand. And that I don't necessarily think someone did something wrong besides the fact that she was secretly making more money.

And we would talk about finances with each other all the time. I think when it became very clear, someone was in the wrong is when I reached out to her to say, let's see we can save this. She ignored me and enabled an entire smear campaign towards me and people I love. Because to me, that's insane. People know, like your boyfriend at the time? Yes. I could never fathom doing that to.

someone I thought was my best friend ever. I mean, you know, it's not like I fucked her boyfriend. It's not like I did something horrific. We had a business disagreement. How are you going to enable all of our listeners to hate me and like try and like push this narrative? To me, that was wild. So when all this is going down, you weren't living together anymore. We were. But you weren't in the house. No. And you were with, you were with a very serious boy. friend. Yes. So maybe that also you were saying like has to do with some of the situation. Yeah. And I think it was, I get it. Like if you're hanging out with your best friend every single day when they start dating someone like, yeah, like it kind of sucks. I totally understand that.

I think this was more insidious. I do. I think it was a control thing. The boyfriend that we're referring to very, very smart. Graduated from Harvard. And saw gaps. And he. he saw the business for what was how for what it was and from an outside perspective yes and I think that I started to really and I and I've always been very business oriented but I think that I started to get more involved in the show and the business side of things whereas when the show started I was more of a sidekick so when I started to get the business knowledge when I started to find my voice when I started to be less of a sidekick and more of the front man of the show, the control that my co-host, best friend, had, she was losing that control. And I think it was more of

that. That makes sense. I mean, you can see how all of this transpired with all this background. I want to be respectful the way I asked this, because it's not. You don't need to be. No, no, no, I will be. But do you, from your perspective, do you see how. having a boyfriend who has that background, stepping in to a business that was established before he was involved. Can you understand why that could come off as threatening both to the entity that you're working with and to your former co-host? Absolutely.

And I'm really glad you asked that because 1,000 percent. Because it just ups the ante real quick. Absolutely. And I understood that very early on. And I remember having multiple conversations with her. Like, he said this, but tell me what you think. We don't need to listen to him. I can ask him if you want.

And she was very persistent about saying, bring him in. Let me meet him. I want to talk to him about this. Put us in a group thread. She kind of brought him in. So yes, I understand it from that perspective. but, you know, she always had the upper hand. Always.

She was making more money than me. She went to school for entertainment. This is something she's been preparing for her whole life. And I think that she always had the upper hand. When he came in, yes, I understand how that could be a little bit scary. However, for me, once you're part of my crew, once you're my best friend, once you've met my family, I'm not fucking you over. And that's, I think that was kind of where the disconnects started happening. When did you realize that there was a complete miscommunication and were

you like, oh shit? Like, did you anticipate everything that was going to happen and go down? No. No. Not at all. Do you mean by what went down? Just the video. The, right. I mean, all the all the different things that's going. Then on top of it, like, there's COVID. And so everyone's sitting at home waiting to see what's next on their phone. You guys built this crazy. I mean, the community you guys built is insane. It's massive.

It is. And what I think people forget about both of you, which is why we wanted to start talking about your background and you as a human and as a person is you kind of, I don't take this a wrong way. You guys built these characters. Like it was the call her daddy character. Like you could see like this was. So people almost felt like they were observing two people that were not even like real people.

Right? It's like, oh, interesting. We're watching these characters. And so when all that shit went down, and everyone's invested in these characters, like it's a sitcom and they feel they can just rip and tear down and say whatever they want because they forget that at the end of the day, you're both humans. It's almost like you guys were actresses and they were picking on the character in the show. Like no human being would sit around and be that cruel and mean to people online if they recognize them as other human beings. but I think because you guys had built this character and this massive show that people felt like you guys were almost not real.

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Right. But honestly not that much. Like my stories were real. My jokes were real. My most of it was real. It was just amplified. Yeah. That makes sense.

Yeah. So when all this is going down on the internet, like there was, I remember there was like a week where everything I was being served was just the gnarliest thing ever. Are you on the internet or did you, I mean, for like if I was. you, I would have just put my fucking phone on. For that week, I, it was so traumatic that I've kind of blacked it out. So when I think back to that time, I remember seeing things. And maybe I would just like watch something for a split second and then like drop my phone and like not look.

But it's also kind of hard because I needed to know what the fuck was being said and what was going on. I couldn't just be like living underneath a rock. I knew from the very. beginning, this is so fucked up. I need to speak my piece eventually and come back. So I would kind of force myself to watch stuff. She is really, you are really smart. There's something that you did, but I don't know if this was strategic or you just did it. Silence is the fucking best. And I say this, even when you're dating, like, I would go silent on him for like four days. Just dead silence. Yes. Silence. It's silence is golden. Remember like the movie? Like it is so powerful. And the fact that you were silent, I thought, huh, that's smart. Right. It was really, really smart. And I agree with you. I always tell women in particular, if a guy like does something fucked up, hidden with the silent treatment. You acting like you're pissed will do nowhere near as much damage as fucking icing them out and not responding.

I always tell Michael. Everyone's like, what would you do if Michael cheated on you? Like, cut his dick off? And I was like, what I would do if Michael cheated on me is nothing. Right. Fucking sit with that. Oh my God. Not one thing. And now you guys have a baby. I would just like they're not. I would sit there just nodding my head. She's fucking terrifying. Yeah. She's a scary person. I'm not even chill. It's so smart. So did you think, oh, I need to be silent right now. This is not the time for me to come out. So I'm not going to lie to you. There were multiple instances where I was like, I'm putting out a fucking YouTube video right now. This is fucked up. This is a lie. Do you have anyone helping you at the time? Like anyone like supporting you? Yeah.

Like kind of, but not not. You know why I think you were attacked so much? Because I think if it was a dispute between two former best friends and women, just you two, it would have been, okay, like we would figure out who's on what side. It's because the boyfriend is involved, everybody, you know, everyone. thinks that a man's controlling the narrative. Exactly. That was the narrative that was put out there. But I think I knew, I was able to recognize that my old company, Barstall Sports, they are a fucking huge media conglomerate.

And I can come out and I can say shit all day long. They will be able to squash me by sheer magnitude and content, just all the things that they can come out with and they're following. And I also knew that what was being said was a lie and I always think the truth comes out. And I kind of always knew like over time things will start being exposed without me there. So what's interesting to me is that

you don't have anyone to talk to. And I go through this a little bit in my career. Like I can't call my friends and explain. No. You know, 20 trolls writing on the world. No, you can't. I can't talk about what I do. sometimes to my friends that are in different lines of work, they don't really understand.

Like, how could you be affected? Like, you have 200 nice comments, but there's, but who are you like talking to it? Even a therapist doesn't have the tools to handle this. Right. This hits home. This, this one really hits home because even now I struggle with it. Yeah. Who would I speak to? I would speak to my therapist, my mom, my boyfriend at the time. And my agent. And I would really actually just talk to anyone that would talk to me and that was experienced, you know, Scooter Braun, not to name drop. That was like.

He'd probably be very helpful, though. That's someone. Right. Like when he offered to give me advice, of course, I was like, yes, call me right now. Like I'm ready to go. So I really reached out to a bunch of different sources. And so as this is going on, you're kind of looking, you're kind of not. And like, what are you dealing with in your DMs and comments from the community?

Once again, I think I blocked it out. It was 90% pretty evil shit. And it was nonstop. I would get thousands a day for weeks. And I would try not to look. I think the DMs I definitely like stayed away from. You know, it's funny. I remember people started commenting on my Instagram picture, my most recent one, right?

That's where everyone would like comment their shit. And I turned off the comments. And then I had a moment where I thought to myself, fuck that. Turn them back on and just like let people say whatever the fuck they want to say. I think there's like, we could, I could like pull up that picture right now. I think there's close to 30,000 comments that are all like, fuck you, you're disgusting, you're horrible, you're letting a guy control you with, which as someone who was raised by a single mom being told, oh, your boyfriend's controlling you, that really pissed me off because that is not the type of bitch I am.

What kind of narrative did they give him and behind the scenes? was he actually like a nice guy that was trying to help? He was the nicest guy. And I think that for a lot of people now, it's extremely apparent that we were being very exploited. I said this on my first episode when I came back. They were making 10 million on the low end. I'm going to go ahead and guess to me.

And it's actually not even guessing. I can just do the fucking math. They were making about 14 million. So me taking home 400,000 of that, that's exploitation. Merch. But do you, I can see, like, so here's what I'm saying about perspective. I can see from your perspective and fully respected, but can you also see how barstles like we made them type thing?

Well, not how they made you, but how they like they're obviously like they plug you into a massive community. They have the infrastructure to produce merch and all these things. And so I, yes, I think them getting paid 13 million is enough. Here's what I think. There was probably time to renegotiate. And I bet like maybe that conversation didn't get to happen because it just blew the fuck up and everyone started fighting. No, we were we were renegotiating for like a year.

Okay. So that conversation was going on. But then as this fight blows up between you, it's like it's hard because if I'm in that position, I'm like, okay, I got this great show with these two people. But I'm also looking at they're going to hate each other and like how it like it's almost like the thing. But here's my question. Maybe was this part of the strategy, though, to gain more attention to have the breakup? No.

You don't think that they used, like, leveraged the breakup to. Dave Portnoy was talking to Alex. He was calling me. We were talking throughout the day. And he was like, the show, he said, I've asked around a lot who could, out of the two of you, take this show and run with it. and I always get split responses. This show is going to make me more money. If you guys stay together,

that's what I ultimately want. Sure, of course. That's what he said. Of course, which makes sense. Right. And she just didn't want to do it. She didn't want to do it at that point. Yeah, so he's in the tough position where he's like,

okay, we got this great IP, the show blew up. I don't blame him for what he did. I don't think I've ever said that. I don't blame him for what he did in terms of taking the other half of the and running with it. Was he like that when you were working with him? Or was it a side that you hadn't seen? I think he was.

I just didn't know. I didn't know what Barstool Sports was. I didn't think that much about it. Like, I was extremely naive walking into that. It's almost so, I think in the long run, the naive part's going to work for you because you were, like, thrown to the wolves and now you can come out and collect yourself

and, like, not be fucked with. Oh, yes. Well, here's a silver lining, too. It's like if this was not going to be a thing that you guys did for the rest of your careers, right? Like, it's probably better now that you have yours and she's on her own. And like you can build your own brand now. Michael, I think about that all the time. I think that's one of the best things to come out of this.

I think that business partnerships, I read somewhere, have a higher divorce rate than marriages. It's very hard being 50-50 partners on something. And I think being on my own now is what needs that was, this is a better, way better situation for me. Well, and here's the beautiful thing about it. And Dave Portoian and Barstool would recognize this. Talent is talent. If you're a talented person, it's not a network that decides that. It's not.

It's the consumer. It's the audience. And the audience is ultimately the one that's in charge. I always tell people this. If you have the talents, you have the chops, the audience will decide who gets to be the success story. Right. There's going to be bumps and ups and downs along the way. Nobody can stop talent when it, when it's rising.

Yep. Yeah. Like, it's the, it's the consumer's decision. Do you think there's a part of your ex co-host that wanted to host the show for a while by herself? Yeah. No question. So like when this all happened, it was like, let's capitalize on this on like, just move it out. I think that she, looking back on it, I don't think her friendship was real, even though I felt it was very real.

I think I was her ticket to getting fame. I think she realized I was talented and funny. And she just kind of used that to get to where she wanted to go. And I think that in the back of her mind, she was like, if I can keep Sophia on, that's good because people do like her. But if I can't, I'm okay with that too. And also, you know, when you're doing a show and it's, to women, people are constantly talking about who's hotter, who's funnier, who's better, who's more

talented. And I think that started to get to her. Did you know that there was going to be a time where you would be able to share your story and feel comfortable with what you're doing? I mean, you're here, you're decked out and your merch. It's so cute. You have your media company. I think everything you've done too is like, even this is such a small thing, but I'd love branding. Even your Instagram bio. It's fucking hilarious. It's like all the things that people said about. It's basically what you did is you took your power back. Yeah. Yes.

And I've always been self-deprecating. I've always been that. And I knew what I was up against. And I couldn't go out and convince people to think otherwise. It was like own your shit and just roll with it that way. You're asking me if I regret anything about like the friendship. I think I'm just asking if you, when all this was going down, did you know that you were going to have strategy to build a business and do a podcast and media company in merch, where did you

have the foresight to be like, okay, I'm going to launch my brand. Yeah, you knew. Well, because there's, there's cancel culture and then there's like what you went through, right, which is like, it was so extreme. And I think there's the cancel culture where like there's actual criminals and people that need be held to account. That's a different thing. Like those people. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. And then there's cancel culture in terms of like somebody said something or did something wrong. And now the internet's going to attack it. Like that happens. But the scale that you receive that at, was, I mean, it's, it's rare. It's like, I think there's like Logan Paul has probably gone through it. You have gone. Like, it's, there's a very small group of people like yourself that have had that

level of massive, yeah, level of attacks on the internet from complete crazy strangers. In the world, by the way, because the internet is not that old. In the world. Think about like, in your, in person, like, in your personal, like, somebody says something mean to you somewhere. And like you go, like, when you have thousands and thousands and thousands of people doing it to constantly in media outlets, writing about it constantly. Like, that's got to be extremely challenging. I consider myself a pretty tough person,

but I don't know what I would do in that situation. It was the, it was extremely, extremely challenging. And I think it's not like you killed somebody or hurt somebody. See, and that's what I wanted to bring up. You know, you mentioned Logan Paul. He said something extremely insensitive, right, in a YouTube video.

I didn't say something insensitive. I didn't use a racial slur. I didn't... You literally just had a falling out. I had a falling out with a friend and I was canceled. And so it's a very specific situation. And I think... I don't think I fully recovered from it,

to be completely honest with you. This may be a fucked up thing for me to say as a man. But for all of this female empowerment, and especially for a show like Call Her Daddy, which is about female empowerment, it was very quick to try to tear another female doubt. Isn't that interesting?

The irony of that. And I'm not saying who, like, I'm not taking aside on who's right or wrong in your dispute. Like, there's multiple stories. But I do think it's interesting that a community that's about uplifting and empowering women was so quick to tear down another woman. Yeah. It's, it's extremely interesting.

And it's extremely interesting how, because I didn't agree with the business element, how people were so quick to say, oh, it was the guy behind the scenes. Sophia couldn't have thought of that herself. Sophia doesn't have any business sense. There was a guy pulling the, you know, pocket strings. There's a guy behind the scenes on the other end though, too. Right. And no one wanted to point that one out.

Isn't that funny? He maybe just overplayed the hand and got over eager and inserted himself in business that he, the problem is he inserted himself in business that he wasn't part of. Do you mean the boyfriend? The boyfriend. So I can see why he received the flack that he died because he wasn't necessarily part of the overall deal. And he wasn't necessarily. They were pretty, I think I disagree with you.

I think people were too mean to him. And I don't know anything about him. But like, I don't think anyone deserves the amount of criticism. I'm not justifying the, what the result. I'm just saying that I can see why he got the reception he got because he inserted himself somewhere. Maybe he was like, people were like, who, why are you here, right? I disagree just because me and her are a adults. B, we brought him in.

It wasn't like he was like, trying to get in our business. Like, come on, he's like an executive at HBO. He makes enough money. He has very big connections. He didn't need to get in our business. And C, I would like to ask you, Michael, like, would you get more in your business advice? You would be, you would be just as involved.

No, no, of course. But here's the thing. I think what I'm saying is if you don't, like, if you don't have the context of, hey, us two business partners brought this person in to represent us. Yeah, the audience, I think what Michael's trying to say is the audience didn't have the context. What I'm trying to say is maybe the audience didn't have the context and maybe the network didn't have the context and all of a sudden there's this guy. And like, I feel bad for him in a way because if somebody would have sat on this is the person who's representing us now and this is the deal. But the audience and everyone that's aware, like, they're like, who is this person that's just randomly here. Right. So you're sympathizing with the audience is what you're saying. No, I'm sympathizing with him and you and the audience because I don't think, and nobody really had the full story of like how this all came to be.

Right. The context was off, which is why I think I was so interested in having you on the podcast, because I think that there wasn't a lot of context. You give the context and now someone can understand, okay, that's how he got involved. It wasn't like some guy just came out of nowhere and sort of like taking over call her daddy. It sounds like it was a joint. Everyone wanted him involved. Everyone wanted him involved. And, you know, he wasn't saying anything crazy.

He wasn't like, you know, and then like, I'll take 15%. Like he wasn't. And he wasn't trying. we were being exploited, like bottom line. Like that's just what it is. The way that it was positioned, though, to someone from the outside is like, all a sudden a guy comes out of nowhere starts trying to take over this business. And if that's what I'm saying, like, people didn't have that context.

Which is why I think they got so angry. But now that you know that they do, they're like, oh, and I imagine you've probably along the way had people that attacked you, probably reach out and apologize at this. I mean, maybe not a lot of people have reached out and been like, holy shit. now it makes more sense. There were a few people that were like, from the very beginning, I knew something was off.

However, I sympathize and I understand why people believed it because even now, if I'm scrolling daily mail or whatever, I believe kind of what I read, right? Not so much now after that shit happened to me, but I used to be that way.

If something is put in the media And like I was being mentioned in the New York Post every day for like a week straight. Reading those tabloids, I used to believe it. And so I don't blame them. I really don't. Especially because we had built such a close relationship with our listeners. I'm talking about sex. I'm talking about like being so personal.

And all of the sudden you listen to two women that are best friends, right? and all of a sudden one of them are completely gone and one of them is saying, look, this is what happened. This person is da-da-da-da. I would believe them. I wasn't there to stand up for myself. Do you think that there is a little bit of the same energy

that you were getting from your podcast host with the audience with you having a boyfriend? And let me explain. Single Sophia, fucking a lot of guys. whatever, all this shit that you were talking about and all of a sudden you get a boyfriend. Uh-huh. And then all of a sudden, it turns the dynamic to the audience.

She's not the fun single crazy girl anymore. And this boyfriend's taking her away from the audience. As an observer, I think that that was also an issue that maybe the audience didn't even know they were feeling. Yeah. You know what? Maybe. Maybe.

I always thought it was. wasn't an issue because it's interesting to hear someone be dynamic and grow and like, hey, I was the slut. Excuse me, slew. But now I'm in a relationship. Also, I have stories from being younger because I was out of control for days. But Lauren, I think that's a really good point. Maybe that was part of it too.

You said the audience felt like your friend. Yeah. And with your friendship with your ex-partner. Yeah. She was upset. You got a boyfriend. The audience was probably, and also I've noticed, too, with the media and with audiences, is there always has to be a villain. Yes.

So who's going to be the villain out of you for? Exactly. The community, your ex-partner, you, or the boyfriend. Right. The easiest one is the boyfriend. Yeah. Yeah. What was his feeling on it?

I have a lot of empathy for him. Because he didn't ask to sign up for all this. I mean, you like, you like. you were doing the podcast. You kind of knew what you signed up for. He didn't ask for this. And then he's like thrown into the media. Right. I think it was, it was really hard. It was really hard for both of us. Yeah. I feel really bad for him. I mean, here's, here's why I literally, I feel bad for everyone in the story. Outside of now, it looks like everything's going to work down. It's going to be successful. People are going to go their separate ways. But I think what happened with Call Her Daddy was such a

phenomenon. Like something like that doesn't just happen. Right. Like, I mean, did for you. But it's so rare. And I think everyone's like, holy shit, like there's lightning in a bottle. It came out of nowhere. We're all like, everyone knows about us. Everyone knows the show. Barstles said, they're like, holy fuck. We have the biggest show in the world. You guys are like, holy shit. We have the biggest show in the world. The audience is like, what the fuck's going on? And so it's just going so fast. Nobody actually had time to step back and be like, what are we all doing here? Yeah. Yes. And you're trying to keep up with it. Like maybe you did have those conversations, but you're doing it while this thing is going so fucking fast.

We're like, okay, well, we're negotiating now, but the show's getting bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger. So it's a give no context to be like, where is this really going to land? Yes. I will say, though, me and her had made a business decision to leave eight months prior. And then the famous rooftop meeting, right, that he was talking about. And like, I offered them this and I did this. and within 30 seconds of him offering whatever the fuck it was, which was nothing different than anything he had offered eight months before that,

she switched and was like, we're saying here, we're not leaving. That's, it's, we were prepared. We knew where we were taking the show. We knew what we were going to do.

There was a lot of planning. And when people are like, oh my God, Sophia's boyfriend, like did all of this behind the same. scenes. Alex and I are big girls. We're big girls. We like, we have to look at the numbers. We have to sign the deals. She would talk to managers and agents. I would as well. And it was planned for a really long time that we were going to leave. So that's a, that's the part that's really

weird to me is how one conversation with Dave, everything changed. When, when did you realize, oh, the podcast is over through her YouTube? video or before that? Like when were you like... Your YouTube video. That was it. When you watched that, were you just like... I remember standing in the kitchen with my mom.

And I remember watching it. And you can't imagine the anxiety. Like, you cannot imagine. It's as if, you know, your best friend that knows every single thing about you and they're acting like so treacherous. and now all of a sudden they're making a YouTube video, I was like, this is not my friend, and I don't know what she's going to say.

We all have, like, skeletons in the closet. So the anxiety was insane, and I just remember watching it, and I just remember, I don't know how to explain the feeling. I just remember thinking, like, what an evil, evil cunt. That's it.

Did you immediately want to text message her or call her? No. You're just done. I had, you know what? I texted her once, and I said, let's discuss. I think it was a week later.

I texted her a second time and I said, I just, not even about you and I. What about our listeners? Because the show won't be the same. It just won't. So I think we should have a final conversation. She didn't respond.

And if you don't respond to someone that you, you know, claimed was your best friend and like family, then it's done. It's over. I'm not going to text a third time. The anxiety that you must have went through, I don't think I have seen anything like it in my whole career. And I really mean this like before the internet, there was no way for all these people to get to you. What were some tools that you did to battle the anxiety? Like, are you drinking a bottle of wine? Are you going on a walk? Are you like doing breathwork? Like the anxiety is so much pressure. What was the outlet? Oh my God. I think it was numbness, numbing. And I don't.

necessarily think that's healthy. And it wasn't even through alcohol or anything like that. It was a, my whole system would just shut down and turn off. And it was like, I couldn't have a feeling because it was like that traumatic. How were the people around you helping you? Like, what does your mom do, your boyfriend? I mean, my mom's doing her best and being like, we're going to do this and like think about it this way and like don't worry. And she's really good. my then boyfriend because he was experiencing the anxiety and the person.

Do you think like, I mean, you guys aren't together anymore and we don't have to get why, but do you think that like this put such a strait? Like it was almost like you guys both went such a

through such a traumatic thing together that almost like being together brings all that up. No. And no comment on who I'm dating. Someone different though. She shrugged. She shrugged.

Who knows? What does it rhyme with? Is it? Dave Port and way. Surprise. We're fucking. That would be a twist of events. Let me switch it up to get off this subject because I feel like you've explained it.

Like I feel like you've explained it really eloquently. Who is the most famous guy you fucked or what does it rhyme with? Are you talking about the most famous guy I fucked in my life? Yeah. I can't say. I really couldn't. What does it rhyme with? Okay, since you do host a podcast that has so much about sex, I want to take like a left turn and talk more.

Yes. Okay. Sorry, we just like took you down a whole thing. No, that's fine. I thought, I think it's important for you to be able to tell your story and your version and give context because I don't. Because people can still hate you now if they want. They do. They have the context now, right?

Of course. So there's two perspectives. And I think like, a hate listener. I mean, loyal listener. Right. Thank you. I mean, I had to be silent for. four months, so it feels good to be able to talk about it now.

I've noticed something that's like very common, which is people like to build people up to tear them down. Oh. And a good example of this is, do you know something maybe? No. She went through a huge controversy with COVID, like was really, really bad. Okay. And everyone thought she was like the best blogger ever.

Like she had this huge following. people were obsessed with her and then this scandal happened and people just ripped her. And I've watched the same thing happen with the morning toasts. Like people build these people up. They build them as high as they can build them in the sky and then they rip them down. Yeah. It's like you can get famous, but don't get too famous. Interesting.

I do. Thank you so much. I do think people, they kind of love counseling other people. They love it. it's not, I don't think it's, sometimes it's genuine and someone deserves it, but I think a lot of wanting to cancel someone comes from a not good place. You're not a place where people, most of those people, and these are the hate people, have never been in a position of power or authority. And all of a sudden they band together

with other people like that and they figure, oh, now we've got a little bit of power and control and we can run somebody else and we can do it together. Yes. And so it's like you get the most miserable people in the world together. I say this all the time. People hate me for it. You get the most miserable angry people that have never had any power or control right in their own life either.

And you put them together and you give them a sense of what they think is power and control, even though it's not because you can't really can't. I mean, you're still here. You're on a podcast. You're talking. You're a person. Right. And they have this moment.

We're like, yeah, we did it. We tore someone. And it's just like broken people doing this to try to break other people to be more like them. I think Instagram should have better guidelines for what you went through. I completely agree. I think Instagram is really, really bad with that. The amount of accounts made about me or the boyfriend,

they're like still up on Instagram, even though like I had me and all of my friends report it. So I don't know. Have you guys ever been canceled for anything? I've had a couple things where people, I had a Facebook group. It's an illusion. But it's an illusion.

But I don't, I just want to say it. that I've never experienced anything like you have. But you know what's so funny? And Michael said this earlier, you're not canceled. You're still here. You have right. People get together. They say you're canceled.

And I'm like, what the fuck do you mean? I'm canceled? You can't stop me from talking on a mic every day. You can't stop me from sharing. You can stop listening. You can scream. You could go yell at advertisers.

But I'm not, it's not going to change anything that we're doing. Like, I'm still here. Ha ha. Still here. Too bad. You can't, like, when I'm saying uncancel, I'm like, it's a fake illusion.

You can't can't. Like, people can, it's the internet. can post whatever you want. It's true. I mean, people have done like fucking horrifying shit and they're still not canceled. So yeah, it is. It's an illusion. It's the thing about if we talked about Howard Stern earlier on your show. Yeah. And if you watch that movie, private parts, it's actually a really great book. I am so obsessed of that movie. So you know, like when they're going through the ratings and he's like, well, what's happening to the people that like? The ratings are going up. Like, well, what about the people that fucking hate it? I mean, it's like, those are through the roof. It's like the people that hate you the most actually end up giving you the most in this case, traffic.

listens, views because they can't turn the fuck away. Yes. Like, it's almost like the hate, the people that hate listen more. Do you feel like it's amazing that you've come out with all this merch and your podcast and your network and like you're just crushing life and using all the different things that people held against you to like propel this career? Like, that must feel good. I am laughing because like, yeah, it should fucking feel good.

And I have moments where it feels good. But again, I think I'm not. fully out of what happened. And I have moments where I'm still upset and feel a little bit down. But it's really commendable what I've done. Yes. That goes back to me being like an artist or the talent or whatever. Like so self-critical, just like the most.

I think you need your Instagram bio on a shirt. I have it on merch. Oh my God. You do. I know buy that. Yes. We should have brought her that one. You already...

I'm going to send you it. You have the bio. I think that bio is genius. The basic, greedy, lazy, submissive shit. Oh, that was the... That's what her bio is. That was the first fucking item to come out. That's amazing.

I'm going to send you when you're going to wear it. You used what everyone said and you put it on merch. Yes. I mean, it's kind of genius. Yes. Okay, I need to ask about sex tips because so many people are asking this. This is the main question. So now you're in a relationship.

How do you keep it spicy? Like a youthful spicy. I rarely give him sex. So when I do, it's like fucking amazing. That's a good tip, actually. Don't get any ideas, Lauren. Deprive, deprived, deprive, deprived.

Right? And then just like pop-puss. No, listen, you're in the beginning phases. You can play those games. You can't, you can't, you can't, you can't do that. We don't get a look. We need tips. We need all the tips.

So, you know what? I have been so fucking busy that I really am not fucking as much as I should. I am definitely not sucking dick. There's no should, but I cannot remember the last time like I gave a blowjob. Why? I love a blowjob. You like doing it?

Yeah. Even when you're tired? My stepmom gave me the best piece of advice. You wonder why we've been together so long. I know. I'm like, wow. I used to bartend until one in the morning and I would come home so tired. And then if he wanted to have sex, I'd be like,

fuck, I'm so, like I'm drained from making drinks and talking to people and all the shit. And I go, I complained to her. And I thought she was going to be like, oh, yeah. Like, you don't need to do it if you don't want to. And she goes, Lauren, you fucking rally. And I have never since she told me that. That is never turned my husband down for anything. Ever?

Let me give you the actual. If he wants to have sex, I rally and have sex. This is maybe going to be sexist. But let me say this. Do it. Say it. Okay. So you get the response.

Like, oh, I'm tired. I don't like giving blow jobs. But if a girl says that to it, like that happens in relationship. But what if at the reverse of the guy, like, say, like, something was bothering my wife? And she's like, you know, I really got out of going to go. I'm like, you know what? I really don't like having conversation with you about feelings. I don't like doing that.

You're comparing your blowdrop to feeling. What I'm saying is, what I'm saying is that would be a deal breaker, right? If I was like, I don't like talking about feelings, like too bad. It's the same thing when the girl's like, I don't like giving blowjips. Like, well, there's a give and take in every relationship. It's not to have. I would think you like giving blow drops for how much you talk about sex. You know, I was about to bring that up.

So I'm kind of seen as like this sex like, got. or expert or whatever the fuck. I think it's okay for people to go through phases where I'm not like sucking the dick every single night. Now that you just said that rally thing though, like I'm thinking about it differently. I also, though, there's something that and Lauren you might disagree with me

is for women, they tend to have a lower sex drive than men, right? I think that you absolutely do need to rally. But I also think that there's something very important to having sex when you want to. I have noticed when I'm not, I've dated guys that are such horn dogs. I mean, they all are right.

I was dating a guy that he wanted to have sex two times a day. And that's what we were doing. And finally, I was like, I am not doing this shit anymore. Like, I'm going to fuck you when I want to. Way more frequent orgasms. Way more excited to like jump in bed with him. Sometimes it, like, if you're trying to force yourself to fuck consistently, sometimes it can, like, start to feel like a chore. Well, it sounds like maybe there's a mismatch. Like, I wouldn't, yeah. I would never want my wife to feel forced. Like, I wouldn't, like, if I, you can, like, if I came home and I could just tell, like, she's not in it. I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm not going to turn me. That feels a little weird, right? No, you're the type that wants, like, me involved.

Yeah, I mean, I mean, I don't, like, personally for me, I don't think it's a turn on to hook up with someone who's not into hooking up with you. Right. Of course. Yes. If you're like, oh, like, that's not fun. Like, it just feels. Yes, yes, yes, yes. I was listening to you on Heather McDonald and I kept thinking, is it a lot of pressure to date guys after having this show on sex? Because they probably are going to expect you to be on steroids.

No. For me, no. No. I think because I'm dating men who are emotionally developed and are smart enough to understand that I can talk about sex. and not necessarily be like the best and bad or whatever. That makes sense. Yeah, that makes total sense.

Yeah. What's something that you've learned on the podcast, either one, that blew your mind about sex, where you were like, oh, that's such a good tip. Oh, my God. That's a really good question. Something I've learned is in like a technique I have or just like some wild-ass shit. Either. That men, they're actually.

a good amount of men that like sounding. What's that? Which is sticking a thin, small thing in their wiener hole. Oh, fuck that. Wait, no, I talked about it and I had so many fucking emails and DMs about it. Sounds so fucking painful. It's called sounding. And there was like a nurse that wrote in and was like, I found like a needle and like a guy's dick.

But men like literally sticking shit in the weiner hole. You want me to stick my blackhead popper. It's long and skinny. Maybe a straw. Can I hear stories like this and I'm like, am I like the most boring dude on the planet? How come I can't stick something up your penis hole tonight? No, listen, we've made it this far without that.

I think we're just going to cut that one out. So you take something and you stick it down the penis hole. Yes. If there's someone listening right now that likes sounding, I want to have you on the podcast and I'm not judgment. Right. I just want to. I want to have you on the podcast.

I want to learn all about it. Like, is the penis erect? Is it limp? What's happening? Lauren, I want you to try it on Michael. I will. Please. That's absolutely not happening.

My friend was telling me all about roping. Roping or groping? Roping. What the fuck is that? So my friend was like, we were at the bar and he was telling me about milking, how you milk the prostate. Yes. And then I'm like, well, what else do you do? and he's like, well,

one time I got roped and I'm like, what is that? And he said that you tie together like baby towels, like little towels and then you stick it up the ass and then you pull it out like a lawnmower,

like anal beads. And apparently it's like really hot. I feel like that could really fuck someone up. Can I rope you? Why the fuck would that be hot? Why would stick in a needle up or dick to be hot? Listen,

There's, there's, I think there's like sex and then there's stuff like that. And that, I don't, I guess it falls in the cat. I don't want to make anybody uncomfortable. We don't king shame. I don't kink shame. Uh-huh. But to me, that seems like, that's, that seems like a lot of work. What about I also, my acupuncturist was telling me that he used to work in the ER and there's

dribbles up the ass all the time. I haven't heard. I mean, I've heard of it. Do you guys like anal? Have you ever talked about that? Or is that on the DL? No, I have tried anal with Michael. Uh-huh.

I do not like it. It's fucking hard to do. And I'll tell you why. I just feel like I think I don't shame it at all. I tons of my friends love it. Like, do you? For me, I feel like that whole and I don't know if you guys made it's supposed to come out, not in.

Like there's something like intuitively that for me, it just. We talked about on your- Something going in there just doesn't feel right. But here's the thing. We talked about on your show like what makes a relationship work. Like that's not my thing either. Like, yes, we tried it. And it's like one of the things is like you check it all the

list. That's a really good point. But like if, but I know there's a lot of people that are into it. And like, if you're into it, you should be with somebody else who's into it. And if you're not in, like, deprived in the bedroom, then that, like, we talk about this all the time in the show. Like, if you're not getting like either emotionally fulfilled, physically, like all that. Are you an anal lover? Then, then, then it's not going to work, right? So you can't be with someone who's silly. You know, you have to be. Yes. I'm trying to answer, Michael. I'm trying to ignore that. So it would like pop a boner over this conversation. I'm not an anal lover. I've done it before. I'm open to doing it again, but it's not like a go-to. I feel like you

have to use a vibrator when you do it or it's too gnarly. On your clip? Yeah. Yeah. To me, not necessarily, but it's not fucking easy. Let's just say that. And Michael, I agree with you. I think two people need to be very compatible. However, I will say there might be stuff I'm not into that I'm willing to try. Sure. Give me an example. pegging. Oh, okay. I've done that once. Oh, wait, hold on, hold on. I have a hundred questions about this. Okay. Why can't I peg you? We're not to, well, just once. I just want to see what it's like. Michael, it's just not my thing. You said no to two things now. Yeah, you're kind of pegging, roping and getting a needle up my dick. Don't be. Don't be. The fourth one you had to say us to.

Give me an easy one. You're like, can we put a needle at that? No. Can we peg you? Can you put baby towels on my ass and you bit them out like a lawnmower? Are you fucking kidding? How did you go about like getting the pegger and did what did the person who was pegged asked to be pegged or did you just pull the pegger out. Pugging is not nearly as extreme as the three things I just said before this. Okay. So the pegging started as a joke. We were having like kinky sex. Three some. Okay. Um, we were having kinky sex and me and the girl were like, oh my God, like let's peg him. Like, let's do it like with a dildo. And then we were like really fucked up. We went to like a sex shop. and got like a strap on.

And it wasn't a, I fucking don't remember. It was like a dare or a joke, but I was gonna like peg him for like two seconds. He didn't like genuinely want it. I just need to say like putting a strap on and fucking a guy in the butt was the weirdest feeling like ever. I think I have a very feminine energy

and I tend to be more the submissive role in bed. me like humping and like having your dick was so weird. A what? You should have Instagram story date. I know. I should have. Okay.

So I need to go buy. Is it called a peggar or is it called a strap on? A strap on. Okay. And I need to peg you. It's called fucking divorce papers. Come on. It would be just funny for me.

Like I get off on stuff. Michael, you said things. You said no to four things now. Yeah. Okay. I feel like I've been given the four. hardest things. No, wait, five, because you said no to a threesome on my episode so few than I have because I've partaken in threesome before. I said no to a threesome with Lauren because I think she's

too crazy to keep to keep a level. No, I'm not. Not if the person was random. Listen, there's no way, Lauren. You said that no, no, no, no, there's no way. No, I really don't think so if it was a random person. All right. Here come the DMs. Now the DMs are really nice to start. Oh, shit. Yeah. No, but I don't. You have to go through Lauren, anyone listening. Yeah, you do. I mean, if Megan Fox wants to have a threesome, like, I'm available. No shit.

If Megan Fox wants me to cheat on my boyfriend, I'm available. The girl that, the girl that Megan Fox, okay, the girl that Machine Gun Kelly was dating while he met Megan Fox just came out and said, I don't blame him for cheating on me with Megan Fox. I would cheat on me with Megan Fox. Wait, I fucking love that. And it's true. There's some people that it's like, listen, if Brad Pitt comes,

along and you get a shot and I'm like, fuck, like, like, the guy can't blame me. I don't know if Brad Pitt has like a girthy penis. Brad Pitt, that wouldn't be it. He's either hung like a fucking horse. I bet. I don't know. What about George Clooney?

Do you think he is? I feel like it's a thick one. I do too. To be honest. Sprinkle with the little like, like salt and pepper. Sophia, to be honest with you, it's something I haven't put a lot of thought into. Is George Clooney's day? I'll think about it tonight.

Okay, let me know. Let me know, please. I'll let you know later. Hey, what's the trick to a threesome? Like what you have seemed like you have a lot of experience. What's the tips and tricks? Number one, not being that your significant other ever seats you in the back and the three-sum person in the front seat.

Guys, yeah, that we talked about that on my podcast. So tips and tricks, I would say do it with a random, number one. Number two, and this is going to sound fucked up, I think. think that try it with try it in a relationship that you're either a not that serious about or be you've been with each other for so long and there's just so much unwavering trust so it's like you again you wake up it's you again like yes like that type of shit like yeah i get it fuck so it's like a jeffrey do you guys remember that from get him to the greek no no no Then never mind.

Is that the one with Michael, we're too old. No, so whatever. With Russell Brand, right? With who? With Russell Brand? Yes. Yes. I'm plugged in line.

Yeah, I think if it's like a new relationship, like the guy I'm with now, I've been into threesomes. I don't want to do one with him. Does he want to do one? No. He said, I don't want to do one. He was like, it's just not that interesting to me. Some guys say that.

Yeah. That's what happens, I think. It's just, it's not like, I think once you've, okay, any sexual. unless it becomes your main thing that you do. Because if you've never done something, like, never had a threesome, it's extremely interesting. Right. Yes.

If you've never done ano, it's interesting. Anything that's foreign as you've been doing, like, I've got to try that. But once you do something like, okay, like, it's not as alluring as it was if it's like a thing. It's probably pressure for the guy too. Oh, big time. That's not talked about enough.

Yeah, I've actually talked about this a little bit before, not really. Like, you have to go in there and make sure that you are pleasuring two fucking women at the same time and you're not giving one more attention and like, you know, the whole thing. Have you ever been in a three somewhere that guys giving the other girl more attention? And what do you do? I haven't. I haven't. I haven't. You know what's funny is me and my best friend, we hooked up with this guy and he was giving me more attention than her. and she didn't even like end up fucking him at the end of the night.

And we always joke because he gave me chlamydia and she didn't get it. So that was like, yeah. Wait, is the best friend that you're talking about the ex podcast host? No. Oh my God. No.

That was never hook up. I know. There's like certain friends you can like do kinky shit with and then certain friends like you can't. Don't you feel that? Yeah, I know what you're saying? You know what I mean? Like remember in seventh grade? Yeah.

That one friend. Yeah. No, there are. certain, there are certain friends. I know what you're saying. Also, there's certain friends that, like, you just don't want to go there with. Yes. Maybe they don't have sexual energy. I don't know. Yep. I know. I totally agree with that. Yes. Okay. I've got one really fucking crazy wife. I don't need any more crazies. I don't need any other things. You don't like things you can't like control. I don't like more. Like I already have like you're, if there's a crazy limit at 10, she's a 10 and a half. Right.

You have your hands full. Even if I got someone that was chilled. That's like putting my a meter to like 15, right? Yeah, that's true. And then you have to like deal with them afterwards. That's probably awkward to wake up the next morning and like roll over and it's like, you know what? That's another thing actually is one time I woke up from a threesome and they were snuggling and I was like on the side. It was my boyfriend. What did you do? I don't even remember. Are you, you feeling? I was like, I was like, came in with pots and pants. I was like, wait the fuck up. See, this is what's fucked up is I say you're the man in that situation. And the girl that's the guest is like trying to cuddle.

Would you be like, get the fuck off me? It's over. We're done fucking. Like, now I got to go. I know. What are you supposed to do? Like, you can't be like, listen, I can't cuddle you. I got to cuddle here.

You go over there later. You put the pillow in between. Come on. Don't come back again. Let me give a tip for guys. If you're doing a threesome, don't cuddle. You can't cut. The tip is too intimate.

The tip is the girl can't sleep in the same bed. She has to go sleep in an hour. I don't want a set of fucking. 80 rules when I go have set. What do you mean? You have to have rules. But this one I'm saying. Everyone has to be on the same page of the rules and I don't think it can happen with three or four.

We've had people on the show that are like, do like, you know, we have this one couple. It was like, they dated other people and fucked other people, but then came together and like, it was like this whole crazy thing. Long story short, it didn't fucking work out. It was a whole shit show. Right. Because there's too many people get too many emotions, right? Yeah.

Is the guy you're dating now the one? TBD. I don't know. But you like them a lot. Yes. And can you start? be friends with Suitman? Yes. You can still be friends. Best friends. Really? Uh-huh. That's cool. Not a lot of girls can say that. I feel about their ex. Yeah. So it sounds like you're having a

happy ending. Yes. I feel that for you. I think you're going to have a really happy ending. Thank you so much. And you're the dark horse and people better watch out. Yes, the dark horse. Put it on merch. Yeah. I have a really good feeling about my future and I am so happy that you guys invited me to come on. Because, you know, for a while there, I was not the dark horse. I was the black sheep where there were certain people that like didn't want to bring me on their shows and stuff like that, you know? So not so much anymore that I like made a comeback and stuff.

But yeah, for a minute there, it was like, we don't want to like fuck with we don't want to fuck. It wasn't so much we don't want to fuck with Sophia. It was we don't want to fuck with that fucking media conglomerate. and that psycho boss, you know, and like go up against them. I think that it's important to hear your side of the story. And I think that you should remember the people that have stayed there. No, remember the people that have said, no, you can't come on.

Oh, trust me. I remember them. There was a huge, huge brand deal. And they were scared of what my old boss, Dave, would have done. and they tried to work with me later on and I said no. I don't think he's that unreasonable though. Like I said, I think everyone just ended up in this crazy situation.

And like at the end of the day, it's just business. I'm going to ask you this one question though. If someone was making $14 million and I was getting paid $400,000, you wouldn't be having it. No, but I could understand. But listen, I come from the world of like I understand how IP and contracts.

So let me give you an example. Let's take you, like, let's take all of us out. of this. Netflix goes and buys the rights to stranger things and puts it out there. They think, hey, I hope this is going to be a big thing. But if like, it's not, it's not whatever. Like, nobody anticipates what, like, sometimes these things just blow the fuck up. But let me tell you something.

The second that Stranger Things becomes a hit, all the actors, the ante gets up. Everyone will negotiate. You have to be able to evolve. No, no, I get that. With where the consumer attention is. I do think, though, in this case, like, like you said, and not to go back to it. No, it's fine. You guys were both.

But it sounded like at the end, like you two were irregular. Like you could not reconcile your differences. You were in your co-hound. So like, well, I mean, I tried, right? Sure. But I'm saying like the thing, like, it's not like we, you weren't buying the same show again because like you guys were broken. Yeah, true. I think, you know, Michael, I hear you on that.

And I understand. I'm not defending anyone. I'm just saying like I can understand. I think that we paid our dues by working for over a year and then, you know, pocketing. $13 million. They were offering us 500,000 for the next year, which is like absolutely insane. We were making 2.5% off of merchandise. I can tell you now I'm making over 70% on merchandise.

Like it was, you need merchandise that says 70%. Yeah. If, right? No, I almost made, I almost called SluP Media 2.5% media. But I always tell people with like, Dear Media for sure, I always tell people, like, Are you at the stage where you need to network or not? And some people don't. You're not anymore.

We're not anymore. Exactly. The smart thing was to go and do a show and just call it something else. And people can disagree with me all they want. I think that was the move. But I know moving forward with Sloop Media, I am going to pay talent fairly. I am. You should do a campaign or something on that or a campaign with online bowling.

because you truly have gone through the fucking ringer. And like maybe there's other creators that you can like help through this. Yeah. Because it is something that's not talked about. And people almost think because you have the following that you deserve what comes with it. And people don't realize that it can be really damaging. Like someone told me online and I'm sure you've heard like horrible things like this, I hope your baby dies.

Like, oh my God. How is that okay to say on the internet? Send me there. Send me their handle on their address. I'm going up, driving over. Tell me, because I'm about to, like, post on my story. You can't, you can't, you can't, you shouldn't be able to get away with that. No.

It's just not okay. You just have to think about, like, the person that's taking the time to write that stuff. No, it's a, I, that's what I always think about. I'm like, there's, I have never felt the need to write something horrendous to someone. Like, there's obviously something wrong with this person. There is a huge, like, so what I think, this is maybe overgeners, but I think 80, percent of people are normal and like that. They don't need a ton. The problem is this other like 15, 20, 10 percent are just the most vocal. Right. They're the loudest. Right. But it's, but they are a

minority. And I always point that out to people like the angriest, triniest people, they are just much louder than the normal people because normal people are fucking busy with their own shit and they're normal people. They have time to get in fights with strangers on the internet. I have never in my entire life gone to someone's page and wrote anything negative. Me neither. I would not even me neither. Cross my ether. I'm my energy capacity. does it doesn't even even if someone pissed me off and said something I can't even believe it

you know who you should talk to who Stasi Schroeder Ooh I was a big fan of her from Vanderpump rules She went she doesn't have a podcast anymore right? She does she got her podcast back on Patron

Patreon Petron Petron Someone is ready for a margarita Oh my God but she got the same amount of hate through what she went through. And she, she did the same thing you did. She backed off. But you guys, I feel like would have so much to talk about. Right. And then I'm kind of scared of like the backlash

of people being like, why would you have her on? But after talking to you, Lauren, like, I'm done like thinking that way. Everyone has fucked up shit in their past. Everyone has had controversy. Just because you have someone on doesn't mean you agree with them. Right. I have a hundred, I say this a lot. I have a hundred friends and none of them have the same opinions as me. Right. We all have different political, religious, whatever it is, I don't want to be friends with someone that thinks the same way as me. That's fucking boring. Yeah. So I'm not going to have a show and have on someone that I agree with every fucking thing they're saying.

Totally. So you can have someone on that has a past and have a conversation in a way where you're not judging them and just hear what they have to say. Yep. Yes. Yes. Amen. Thank you. I'm not going to get canceled for having a guest on.

I don't control what comes out of the guest's mouth. Right. Yeah. Listen. And we've done, there's like 350 of these things. You're going to have some people that are controvert. Like, I couldn't sit here and just keeps having the same. Yes.

I agree. Of course. It's boring and shit, right? Right. And we're all three of us are going to end up saying something that is not going to go over well in some capacity. It's like we're fucking human. No, you can't please everyone.

It's the people that are constantly apologizing for saying things. Like, dude, we're human. I'm not going to apologize. I fuck up sometimes. Yep. My apologies. I fuck up sometimes. Sorry that you have to go through it.

You can. Term, I don't know. I love that. But it's whatever. Right. Thank you for inspiring me to buy a peg or what's it called the strap on. Which color should I?

No, we're sounding. You're sounding Michael tonight. Promise me one thing in this great relationship right now. Don't shove a needle up this guy's dick hole. Just don't do it. Why? Michael, why? Unless he's really.

A number two pencil perhaps. I think things are going well. Sounds like. Let's just let's keep it smooth. Okay. You know what? Fine. I won't.

Okay. I won't do that. Sounding pegging and roping. It's our itinerary. And also, you guys aren't allowed to talk about anything together. I don't need him getting any ideas. No, I'm going to listen to her podcast and get all the tips. All of them.

Thank you guys for having me on. Pimp yourself out. Tell us every little detail of what you're working on. So my new show is called Sophia with an F. You can find me on all social media. Sophia with an F. Franklin with a Y. I post a bunch of bullshit and ridiculous things. and that's basically it.

Perfect. And if there's a candidate for a threesome, you're not taking applications right. I'm always taking applications. Okay. So definitely DM me. And just drop in. Boy or girl. Oh, boy or girl.

Yeah, I think so. Okay. Is the boyfriend going to love that? I have no idea. I'm probably going to be single after you hear that. It's hard to like sound two people at once too. Like, I'm not ambidextrous. Jesus Christ.

That's amazing. Thank you so much for going on. you guys go listen to our episode where we talk more about three sums. We talk about trauma. What else do we talk about? We talked about everything. We're talking about drugs. I know. Yeah. Very easy to podcast with come back anytime you want. Thank you. I will be wearing the greedy, what it would say it emerged. Basic greedy, lazy, submissive and unable to think for myself. I don't that I think that you need to make one of the opposites of all those because I know, right. I do. The trajectory you're on.

Yeah. I feel like the tables have turned. Yeah. I'm going to do that. Thank you so much, you guys. Thank you. Oh my God, you guys. Just wait.

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