The Bossticks - Whitney Port On Why She Decided To Return To Reality TV, How To Prepare For Parenthood, Staying Grounded, & Maintaining Friendships

Episode Date: June 25, 2019

#197: On this episode we are joined by Whitney Eve Port to discuss why she decided to return to reality TV. We also talk about her journey as a parent and how she transitioned into parenthood. This episode covers the behind the scenes of the return of The Hills and what friendships look like on and off screen.  To hear Whitney Port's new show With Whit click HERE To connect with Lauryn Evarts click HERE To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM To Call the Him & Her Hotline call: 1-833-SKINNYS (754-6697) This episode is brought to you by the Peleton Tread Discover the immersive and challenging total body training you can get from Peloton Tread. Peloton is offering listeners a limited-time offer. Go to www.onepeleton.com, use the code "SKINNY", to get $100 off accessories with the purchase of a Tread. This episode is brought to you by ROTHY'S. Rothy's shoes are stylish, sustainable, and comfortable enough for every day wear, anywhere. Rothy's will blow your mind that they're made from recycled plastic water bottles, because they're the softest shoe you'll put on your feet. You can feel good about wearing them.To try ROTHY's go to ROTHYS.COM and enter PROMO code "SKINNY" at checkout Produced by Dear Media

The following podcast is a dear media production. She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire. Fantastic. And he's a serial entrepreneur. A very smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you alone for the ride. Get ready for some major realness. Welcome to the skinny confidential, him and her.

We all are inundated with how people are doing things all the time. And so I think probably everybody is constantly comparing. themselves to other people. But for me, like, I just try to talk about it more and more. And I think the more I talk about it, the more I get people that are like, it's okay for you to feel that way. But if this is what you need to do to be happy, then you need to keep on doing it. Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, children of all ages. Welcome back to the skinny confidential, him and her show. That clip was some of our guests of the show today, fellow dear media, now fellow dear media podcaster, Whitney Porte on this episode, we're talking. We're talking about

all things reality TV, motherhood, relationships, all the stuff we get into all the time on the show. The Hills. The Hills back. I think it's live today. It's live today. So major. If you're nostalgic like me, you totally watch The Hills. I was a huge fan. And Whitney, not only is a reality star. She's also real fucking cool. Whitney is one of the best people. Yeah, she really is. She's really awesome. And we love her sister Paige who works with Michael on Dear Media. So this is an exciting episode. I think you guys will like it. Dear media would be completely in shambles without Page. Yeah. Thank God. Page for listening. Page, we love you. Anyways, guys, we're excited to be back on the mic once again, back from our trip in Cabo, Cabo San Lucas.

Our favorite place to go, Xanax in the year. We went down on Friday, and it was just heaven. We went down for our friend Robbie and Ashley's wedding. Ashley, if you're listening, you looked major. Her dress was insane. I've said it once. I'll say it again. I know people love Hawaii. But if you're a California native, California person, I don't know why you go all the way to Hawaii when you can go to Cabo St. Lucas. It's the best. Some people ask me if it was safe in Cabo. It's totally safe. I don't get what, listen, the U.S. puts out like once in a while, they'll say like, oh, Mexico's unsafe. And listen, there are some places that are unsafe. And there's also places all around the rest of the world that are unsafe, especially if you go in areas looking for trouble. But if you're just down there being a tourist, having fun, having a couple of chips and margaritas, tequila shots, it's fine.

And you got to go to floral farms. Stop reading the propaganda people. You got to go to floral farms. Okay, there's this little tiny skin shop in floral farms that has the best skin care. And they make these bloody marries that have everything you want in a bloody mary. It's kind of major. Talking about Cabo, you know one of the, you were just talking about chips and guacamole. One of the best pieces of food that I've ever had down in Cabo.

Best tamale I've ever had was the one that I ate off of Michael's dad's plate. It was delicious. As you guys know, we got married in Cabo and Taylor, our producer, was a fucking hurricane. You know what's funny about that, Taylor? Also, my dad said one of the worst enchilados tamales he ever had was the one that you ate off his plate. So it's funny how two people can have the same experience and have completely different reactions to it. What's the strip club that you go to in Kava? What's it called? I don't remember what it was called, but you know why? It used to be called Lord Blacks. I know that from a different time, though, Lord.

You know when you black out and you kind of recall what you did when you were drunk? So now I remember why I ate that the enchilade of his food. We were in the pool earlier in the day and he had nachos and he was offering up and I was sharing nachos with them. For some reason in my head, I thought later on that that was kind of like the hey, like don't worry, like we're sharing this. Well, the thing, the other thing to distinguish is one, that's fucking weird. And two, it was not like a dry enchilada or tamale. It was a wet enchilada with all the sauce. You had to drip your hands into the... Yeah. And what's creepy is like your nails had enchilada grease underneath them. And like, it was just a lot, you know. There's some things that are not meant to be finger food

and enchiladas are one of them. Yeah, you were doing a lot of things to your fingers that trip. All creepy things. From enchiladas to strip clubs to weird things under our fingernails, let's plot twist this to Whitney Eveport. Whitney Eveport is an American television personality. You may have heard of her from The Hills and the City. She's a fashion designer and an author. She's also a mom and an influencer. With that, let's welcome Whitney to the skinny confidential, him and her show. Before we get into that, let's talk about my obsession. with white shoes. Specifically, Rothies. If you've followed along on Instagram story and on the podcast, you know I'm absolutely obsessed with these shoes. Okay, first of all, you can slip them on.

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This is the skinny confidential him and her. With wit. Witt. With wit. With wit. It's a good I love the title. You do. I do. It's sort of hard to say, but I feel like you get the hang of it. I know in a while. I'm so happy that we're doing the show together. Well, first, this whole network would not exist without your sister helping me because I would be in complete shambles. I'm so jealous of all the time that you get to spend with her. You know, I worked with her for like 10, I don't know if it was 10 years, but pretty much almost 10 years before she came and worked for you guys. And like, I didn't know how I was ever going to survive without having her. She's going to, we're producing so many episodes now. So it's like, it's hard to listen. Everyone,

I'm sure she's going to listen to this one. She will. When I first met her, I was a little hesitant. I was like, oh, really? I don't know about this. Oh, yeah, Paige is going to hear this. Oh, my God. Because she came in and she was so dialed in. And I was like, wait a minute. I was like, I'm going to have to like kind of like catch up here. Oh, my God. And so I was nervous because I was like, oh my God, she's so fucking organized. And I kind of like have always done my own thing. Yeah. But it's become, it's been, it's the best because now I can still do my own thing, but she's so

organized. And she keeps like, yes. She keeps you on it. Yes. I couldn't. I couldn't. Thank God. She's amazing.

Thank God. You seem like you keep them on it too. I keep it. Different ways. Different ways. I'm not as organized as page. I'm not either. That's why everybody needs someone like her in your life.

I'm very disorganized. The dear media ship would have crashed a long time. ago if it wasn't for her. Thank God for page. Page, we love you. Okay. Michael wants to start this interview out with a question that he's been dying to ask you. Let me see how I can frame it.

So you're the perfect person now. So I'm thinking about anchor babying Lauren. What does that mean? Well, anchor baby means like lock a gun with the baby, right? Yeah. I got to get the baby. Anchor baby's like, you know, if you get the guy and you anchor baby's the girl that's in her prime because then she can't get away.

She's locked in because of the baby. So. But she can't. She's the one that can get away. She's the one that has the baby. Don't tell her that. Okay. So you want to get her pregnant, is what you're saying?

So basically you want to get her pregnant is what you're saying? I think so. I think it's time. Yeah. What do you think? Okay. How long have you guys married? We've been married for, I don't even know.

How long have we been married? I don't know the year I got married all the time, but I know it will be four years in November, but I can't remember if it was 2016 or 2016. That's how I feel. Yeah. How long have we been married? I think it's coming up on three years in November. Okay.

I think that he just wants an honest perspective on how it is to have children because I keep telling him, I'm like, you don't understand how much work it seems to me. This is my perspective. It seems like it's so much work. And we feel like you're the perfect person to ask because you're very honest. I will tell you guys. Okay. I have been listening to a little bit and I know kind of like how regimented you are.

And if you don't have your sleep, like, you know. So for me, I. I would say it is going to be a huge life shift for you, like enormous, right? And I don't want to say, I know, don't be scared, Michael. Like I'm always scared. You need 100% you need a nanny. You need or someone to help you take care of your child. The first year is really, really challenging and it's just going to be no matter what.

Whether you think you're ready or not, like, it's just going to be challenging and you just have to kind of get over that first year. and then after the first year, it starts to get so much easier. And so many people told me that. And it was so hard to, like, see outside of how, like, stress and anxious and overwhelmed I was the first year. But now that I'm out of it, I can see why, like, people start to have a second and then the third because you totally forget.

Well, your parents just, they went, they went balls to the wall. I mean, how many of you guys? Five, six, five. We am one of five. And the oldest is going to be 40 this year. and the youngest is going to be 30. So we're each two years apart. My mom has this like, you know, she says to us it was the easiest thing we ever did.

I never had any help. Everything was amazing. And she made it seem like. Easy. It's like Chris Jenner with six kids. It's like, how do they do that? I don't know. But people aren't having that many kids anymore.

That doesn't happen anymore. Life is much more complicated. We're more stressed. There's, you know, like we're more entrepreneur. entrepreneurial. And especially you guys and my husband and I, and it's just not realistic to have that many kids anymore. But I think that if you are starting to feel comfortable with it and the thought of it is starting to get a little bit exciting that you might as well just try because you're never going to be at the point where you're like, okay, I'm fully ready. Let's just do it.

Is that you were never at the point where you felt like that? That makes me feel better. I didn't even, I kind of went along with being ready because Timmy was. like dying to have kids. I mean, he would have like a second and third already if he had, if he was married to someone that was ready to pop him out like that. I wasn't that ready and I ended up getting pregnant really fast. Like within two months of going off my birth control, I got pregnant. That's not so common. I know, it's not. It can happen. I mean, as soon as you go off your birth control, you can get pregnant. Like, so it happened super fast and I freaked out. I was not happy. Because you were just like, hey, we're going to kind of ease into it and take our time. I thought it was

going to take like six months to a year for some reason. And that was just the story that I told myself. That's the story that I'm telling myself. Yeah. Right? You're like, oh, it's not going to happen that fast. And then all of a sudden it does. And you're like, shit, what the hell am I supposed to do now? So you're like, I can't drink alcohol. I can't eat sushi. Like, what do you do? You, I mean, I was so nauseous. I, like, took sleep, like, these sleeping pills essentially that the doctor tells you that you're able to do. So you're just, like, tired and drowsy all the time. You don't have to really think about, like, how sick you are, which maybe will work, I don't know, it's, it's bad. Like, the first three months was hard. It's not necessarily hard for everybody, though. Like, not everybody gets, you know,

morning sickness. You're not helping my case here, Whitney. I'm just trying to be honest. I mean, I'm going to be such a fucking devil. I told her. I'm like, it's going to be fine. You'll do great. It is going to be fine. It is 100% going to be fine and you forget it. And it's wonderful. And now I have this, like, angel son who I can't. I can't imagine my life without. I know that sounds so cheesy, but like I look at him and I'm like, you were worth every second of trauma that you caused me. What is it like with your husband and your relationship from not having a kid to having a kid? Like, what's been the change? It's the exact same.

It's the same. It's the exact same. Does he help? He helps so much. That is a game changer. If he didn't, it would not be the same. And I would be resentful of him and things would not be good. but he doesn't have like a typical nine to five job at the moment.

So he's able to really help me. And that's almost more valuable because I'm really busy right now and knowing that he can be there and that we don't have to hire a nanny all the time is really helpful. But even someone that does have a regular job, like as long as they show up when they're actually home and they're there on the weekends with you and they're giving bottles in the middle of the night, like the mom doesn't have to do everything. dad can do so much more than, than I think women even allow the men to do. We had Kristen on this podcast and she makes having three kids, like, it's

no big deal. Really? Yeah. She liked, I don't even think she had a nanny for like the first year. Oh my God. She's like, she does kind of make it seem like that. She's also like out out there and where is she again in Tennessee? Where is she? Nashville? Yeah, so maybe life is easier. I'm so actually jealous of women who are like that and who make it look like that.

Because I have not made it look like that. And I think that sometimes people are relieved that they have someone like me to be like, oh, this sucks and this is hard. And then sometimes I think I'm like scaring people out of doing it. And I wish it came more natural to me. I think it's starting to. I've always said like I think I'm a better mom to a toddler and a kid over like an infant. I think the infant stage is just not for me.

Maybe I'll just give you the infant when I pop it out and then I'll go and like take a long. vacation for like a year and a half and then come back. There's certain things I can do, but there's going to be certain things I'm not going to be able to do. Like what? Don't you need to breastfeed and like? You could use a bottle. Yeah, you don't need to breastfeed. I mean...

You're going to probably want to, I feel like. We'll see. I just got my tits redone. Like, I don't want anything like ruining them. That's something that I think about now that I want to do after having the baby. But now that I've seen how easy she trucked through that, that, that procedure. Like, she, does nobody do it just do it again. Just do it again.

It was so easy. It was the easiest thing ever. It was like literally it hurt more to bleach my hair. No way. Swear of God. Like hurt exponentially more to bleach my hair. Were you completely flat before? No.

She was rolling solid before. You know we know we know each other since we're at 12. Yeah, Paige is telling me that. And I looked over. She was like fully developed in sixth grade. That's what initially caught my eye. You're like, I want this fully developed sixth grader. I had a girlfriend at the time that was just a sixth grader.

And I was like, listen, we're over. I had B boobs and now I have like double Ds. Really? Sorry, I'm like staring at them. No, you can stare away. They're like right in front and second. Are you so happy with them? I love them. And it was the easiest experience and the doctor was like amazing and I just feel more

proportionate. Yeah. You know? Yeah. Because I'm not like a stick. I'm like more curved. So I think it like balances out my body. Yeah.

I'm into it. Yeah. Totally. Timmy's like he hasn't said anything. but when I say sometimes, like, I kind of want maybe get my boobs on after possible second child and breastfeed. And he was like, yeah, yeah. And I can tell his eyes light up.

It's a dicey situation. Because he doesn't want to be like, you should do it totally. You don't want to overcommit. Yeah. Okay. So I had fake boobs before I got them redone. And when I, like, took the bandages off to like show Michael them, he literally, without even touching me popped a huge boner.

Listen, we don't need to get it. We don't need to We don't need to dive. Taylor, I have to embarrass Michael. That's amazing that you can do that to him. I don't think I've ever done that for doing it. It's going to take a lot to embarrass me at this point

on this show. We've been in some weird places. Okay, I want to go back. I want to go back to when the hills first started in the city. And I want to know why you decided to do another reality television show. Was it a hard decision or an easy decision? It was,

It was hard just because now I have a husband who's like behind the scenes in TV and a son. And so I knew they wouldn't really want to do it. And I was like, what is my place going to be? Like I haven't really kept in touch with everybody. But for me, it more felt like maybe this was just something fun and new and different. And I needed to maybe just like stop planning and thinking about what it would be and just jump into something and like have a little adventure and see how it could possibly positively affect my. too. I think it's, it will do that. I think people saw me on TV 10 years ago and hopefully they're excited to see it again. I think it's still, I'm still that same person that people saw.

I'm excited that it will help with platforms like this, you know, where people can see me on TV, but then want to maybe hear a little bit more and listen to the podcast. Yeah, it's nice, probably that you're able to control the narrative with the podcast. Yes. But the show is like an amazing push, I feel like, too. Yeah, well, that's what's scary is that the show you don't have the control over editing. And there's a different production company this time. And they're known for producing like real house eyes of Beverly Hills and Orange County. And so those and Vanderpump rules, like they really get in there. And people are are very vulnerable with them, which is good, but that is scary for me because the last production company wasn't like that. Like they were much more

surface. Do you watch it when it's done? I haven't. yet, but I will. They'll give us the episode, like the day that it airs the morning and we'll watch it. But other than that, we have no control. We can't give notes. We're doing interviews this time around, which is different. Like, you know, you watch and you actually have a chance to like talk about. Did they never do that before? We never did that before. I saw the show in the past, but it's been a long, long time. It's hard for me to remember. Yeah. It was, I mean, that was like 10 years ago now, but no, we never did interviews. So it was really more of like a docu drama, like soap opera. And now this is going to be, I don't even really know what it's going to be. Like, we film so much, but I, I know

they, it's not going to be focused so much on, like, mom stuff. I think a lot of people are expecting it to be like, we're all young moms now. We're all, like, swapping tips on being moms. Like, it's really not that. It's more like night life, like adult drama. Nightlife. Yes. Well, listen, I was in bed at 930, night lights. I mean, it's not mine. I actually went to the club for the first time in, like, five years. because we were filming there. I have never felt so old in my entire life. Listen, it's over for us.

It's over. It's over. What club is even cool? Okay, so you know Frankie Delgado? Yeah. So he's still promoting. He's back on. And he's still promoting for like Hyde and that whole restaurant hospitality group.

And so it's a lot of like him getting everybody out. That's wild. Yeah. That you're like in the club. I know. Once. Like do they even like, how do they film and when it's like screaming? and dark. I'm all about good light, so that's very important to me. I mean, then I think this light

would be good for you. Whitney, you need a moment where you can like, you can like go out and then it's like your moment, you just throw a drink in someone's face, like hit Spencer with a glass of wine or something. I really should have had that moment. You need that moment. I should have. I don't even know if they'll end up showing me at the club because it probably won't even make sense for the storyline. Like, why is Whitney at the club? Oh my God. So you just went to the club for no reason. Basically. They're like, come, come. It will be fun. I was like, oh, okay. But then I just, I want to I'll be like wildcard consult to be like wildcard consult. I'll be like, okay, they think you're going to do this.

They think you're going to show up and talk about your life with your family. Yeah. And then you're going to lose it and throw the wine right in someone's face. That'll get the air time. Yeah. I need a producer like you to get me out of my element. What happens, did this happen in the past and what happens now if you watch something and you absolutely hate it?

Like you hate how it's edited. You hate how, I don't know, maybe you hate how you look. Like in the past, were you able to text a producer and be like, I can't do it. No, there's nothing you can do. You have no rights over any of it. Nothing. And then they're like, also, yeah, it's a really hard decision. And we have all these rules now, too, about like not live, not what is it? We're not really even talking about it too much now because they're just like so tight-lipped about everything. Can you talk about it once it airs? And like, so like this is how I actually felt? Dicey. Dicey. You kind of have to talk to them.

and like come up with something that you guys both feel comfortable with you saying. Okay, let me ask you this. How different is it filming now with social media and having such access to all these different mediums like Instagram story and being able to podcast and Instagram than when there was nothing? Before we dive into that, I want to talk about the biggest mistake, in my opinion, the biggest mistake is someone who's trained their whole life that people make with training and that is getting into the same repetitions, the same routine, doing the same workout over and over and over again. And that's why, with you, Lauren, I want to talk about the Peloton tread. It's major, guys. You can basically work out on this

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I really, it's, I think it will feel probably better that I do have a platform for people to get to know me on a different level because I don't think the show like really gets into the nitty gritty of what I'm up to. But other than that, like, I don't know, we'll see how it affects it. I mean, you're going to be able to see in real time, but at the same time, you almost have to detach from the comments because, like, if they're negative, you don't want that to, like, seep into your own life. Oh, totally. That's why I'm actually really relieved that Timmy didn't even want to be on it because my relationship is too sacred for it to get messed with. Like, I see what happens to relationships on reality TV. They wanted to film with my sisters when we had our old company. They wanted to film with my parents, my old boyfriends.

Like, they really wanted to get in. And even if my friends or sisters wanted to, I was like, I'm sorry, no. And I think some of my friends used to think I was being like, like I didn't want them to get famous. Like I wanted to be the only famous one. But no, I was protecting them. I don't think that's your energy either. You don't seem like to have that energy at all.

No. That's not me. Yeah. Yeah. I think that that was really good intent. Yes. And some of my best friends are like crazy. And one of them is, you know, Joanne.

from Jackie's Yeah, Jackie's cousin. Is that the cousin that fuck the rabbi? At her wedding? I don't know about that. I don't know if it's that one. Oh, no, that was Ruthanne. She did sleep with someone at her wedding,

but I don't think it was the rabbi. No, I think Joanne is the one. The one she flashed Taylor, her new boobs. Taylor, was that you or was that Ray? I think it was Ray. Oh. She was breastfeeding and she squirted my husband with her breast milk one night out. Is she available to do that to Michael?

also Michael maybe wants to rethink the whole kid thing right now. That'd be a good thing. He may like how it tastes and then be like, ooh, this is a great. I had to drink breast milk one time. Oh, God. He didn't have to drink breast milk. Well, my friend of mine, a friend of mine's wife was breastfeeding and he had it and he was like trying, then he like, I hope she's listening to this podcast.

It was awkward. Was it gross? It felt, it felt very kind of strange doing it. I'm like, wait a minute, my wife's over there, your wife's over there. He's here. This feels like something I shouldn't be doing. You should have shook it up in a margarita. did I have from a salt?

Yeah, or like a peanut colada. It tastes a little creamy. It didn't, listen, I'm not a milk fan. Okay. Okay. Was it tart? Because I never tried mine. It was a little sour.

Yeah. Like, tastes like spoiled milk a little bit. Yeah. I love how you're acting like you're the only guy who's ever drink breast milk. I'm not acting like the only. I'm sure there's guys that have done it. I'm just saying it's not my thing. Yeah.

And I think that's a good thing that's not your thing. Maybe I'll like yours. I don't know. I'm going to put it in your coffee every morning in your expressing you're not. It's probably super healthy. Oh, I think more people haven't done something like that. The next day, my bicep was bigger.

I was like, yeah. It's like your new protein powder. So who from the hills and the city are you actually still like friends with? Are there real relationships there or is it just kind of like you guys grew out of the whole thing? I mean, after the first show, we really like grew apart. Especially because I did my own thing and moved to New York and had like a whole other set of friends. but now since reconnecting, like I'm friends with the girls on the show. Heidi and Spencer are currently not talking to me.

They've blocked me on social media. How can someone stop talking to you? You seem so, like, cool and easy. I don't, I think they're, I don't know what they're doing. Maybe it's like a strategy. Yeah, exactly, without saying that, yes. What a bunch of strategists? They are.

I mean, for real. But other than that, yeah, like, Caitlin Brody's wife, who's going to be new to the show is really great. Yeah, she's very nice. She's like normal and easy to talk to. She's very cute, too. Yes, very. Okay, so, so Adrina and you?

Yes, we're cool. I'm filming with her this evening. She's like, she's so sweet. Olivia? Olivia, no, we do not talk. She seems like a piece of work. She's so successful now. Different energy, though.

Yeah, totally different energy. Yeah. Scary. I was so intimidated by her. And then I was like, actually, instead of just being intimidated by you, I'm just not going to be friends with you. Just move on. Yeah, exactly. What was the dynamic?

Like, when you're on the hills, like, it's this, like, cast of characters, like, Lauren Conrad is, like, the person. And then you get your own show. It's extremely successful on its own. And you're the star. Well, I mean, it lasted for two seasons. So sort of successful. But, like, I was so scared when the pretty. was like, we want to film me moving to New York City and starting your life. I was like,

really? Why? Like, I didn't even open up any of my life on the hills. And I think that's what he was interested in. I think that the producers always want to uncover more of that person that's not so out there because that's like the obvious easy story, you know? So I was really scared, but the thing was was like starting to fall in love with this guy that I met in New York City. And he was down to be on the show and he was super cute and he was in a band and I was like, okay, maybe this will make it more fun and interesting because I thought I would be too like boring on my own, but because that relationship was starting, I was just like, this sounds like so much fun. I've always wanted to live in New York. Let's do it. And does it ruin the relationship or make it better? Because I've

heard mixed things on this. This, he ruined the relationship. It wasn't the, I mean, he definitely wanted to be famous, which I realized after the fact. Like, I always thought that I would be able to tell if someone was desperate. And now looking back, I've dated like two guys that were so bad that Paige actually knew were bad and desperate and wanted to be famous. And I had no idea. And I'm so surprised that I didn't like realize that. Well, because you were, you were in love. You were, you were having puppy eyes. It's so, it's so strange, though. Like, I feel like I'm so intuitive. Michael's probably tricked a girl or two, too. Lauren hasn't still hasn't caught on to me. I want to talk about your beauty routine when you're filming.

Is there like something different that you do? Is there a certain makeup product you use on your skin? I mean, I would have like a little bit of anxiety. I think with cameras in my face all day long from every angle. I'm nervous. Well, it's just, it's a lot of pressure.

It's a lot. I'm actually pretty nervous because I actually wanted to put on to makeup for you guys today. But I went to the doctor before. Your skin looks so clear and beautiful. So thank you. I was like, I'm not going to do like crazy makeup for the show. Like I do not want to look, no offense to that Kardashians. Like I want to really look natural. So I did all my own makeup for the show, but I use

it cosmetics, the CC cream, which I think is like my savior for everything. My favorite ever. The best. Yeah. So I did my own makeup. I did my CC cream, just some bare minerals powder, cream blush, bronzer, like very, very natural. If we had events and nights out, then I would get my makeup and hair done. Sorry, I always get my hair done because I'm so bad at my hair. Like, I'll just, this is what my hair will look like if I don't do anything. You should see mine right now. I'm washed it in four weeks. I like, long. My hair's like, you know, I don't know. Four weeks? I like, don't wash my hair. She's not a big fan of the, uh, of the, uh, shampoo and conditioner. Um, the shower. I was gonna say in the shower. I was gonna say, I am a fan of the shower. I take one shower a day. I like I don't, take so many showers all of a sudden, I don't know what's gotten into me. I'm not an OCD person and all of a sudden, like, I need to take at least three showers. Listen, we live in a dirty city. Have you been reading the reports? There's like, there's like people with tuberculosis here. I will take a shower. This hasn't existed as the 1800s. I will take a shower three times a day like you helmet head.

If you take your shoes off when you come in my house, you go and you walk all over L.A. and then he stomps in with his disgusting boots that literally have hepatitis A on them. Oh my God. Do you guys have a no shoes rule in the house? Yes. I have pink covers. You doesn't follow it. I'm a rule breaker. I'm a rebel. That's just how I got to be. But no, listen, L.A., I'm just reading this report today, there's all sorts of airborne diseases and hepatitis. And we're like one of the only cities that don't have rodent control. So they're everywhere. There's tuberculosis is rising again. I will tell you that since moving up here, my skin has been completely different from San Diego. Yeah. Like in a bad way. Horrible. Really? Never been this bad.

Actually, whenever I go to New York, my skin is so much better. Really? Yeah. Because the water, I mean, my husband's from New York and he says the water is much cleaner in New York. Like you can drink the tough water in New York. That's true. That makes sense actually. No, we, listen, there's a report. Doctor, I'm going to pull it up on my phone. Taylor, pull up that article about the, the Taylor's asleep. That's disgusting. I've never seen rodents here, but I see them in New York all the time. It's, it's intense. Have you ever heard of why you guys are talking? What's that giant rat thing that in New York where like the rat tails all get intertwined? Oh, it's a rat test. Yeah, but it's called. I know what you're talking about, but I can't

wait. The rat tails like, Okay, like, rats, tails will get, look at 18 hours ago. Rats and other vermin

infest, downtown station. Wait, no, that's, rats roam freely. No, that's not it.

I'll find it. Wait, rats, tails get intertwined. Yeah, they get intertwined and like tied in knots and all knotted up

and it becomes like a super rat where it's just like, it's called a what? See, rat could, yeah. You know what's pissing me off about you, Taylor,

I told you to have that mic caught at all time. Now you're creeping over. I didn't have a mic today. I mean, Okay, you're watching porn in the background. Okay. So I want to go back to your skin.

So is there anything that you do to your skin? Facials, I don't know, like a favorite night cream, like something that someone out there who's listening can go by that's maybe not super expensive, that's like life changing. Yes. There is this scrub by Dr. Nazarian that I use every other day that has made my skin feel. It makes my skin feel so smooth. Like I think exfoliating is so important. And she's a plastic surgeon. I'm actually having her on my podcast in a couple weeks.

But Dr. Nazarian, I think you can get it on the skin spot. And then obviously it cosmetics. Embryolese moisturizer, which is like, I think it's $18 and you can get it on Amazon. And it's amazing. I've been using that. Like a makeup artist introduced me to that like 10 years ago. And now, yeah, I use it all the time. I've been using the stilla cream blush forever, the same.

color the same product forever and ever and ever. Any other skin care? Oh, I do the derma planing thing where I go get these facials and they essentially like, for lack of a better word, like shave off your face. So it gets rid of like all the peach fuzz and all the crap that's living on your skin all the time. I'm going to get it tomorrow night actually. I'm so excited. I like it's the best. But then sometimes I feel like I come back with like a little like I can when the light hits your face in a certain way, like you can see like a little peach fuzz. But once it's off, it's the best for like letting your makeup lay.

Yes. I do it right in front of Michael because I just don't care. Do you do it yourself? I do both. So I'll do it at home with like a little tinkle. With the flawless thing? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. It's like the Korean razor. Yeah. And then I just do it like I'll do it like it reminds me of like Schmey and Captain Hook when he was when he was getting his face shaved. Do you remember that scene? Yeah. like my favorite disease.

And then you shave the bird? Yeah. And they like shaved my entire face and I love it because the makeup just like lays differently. Yes. There's something about it and it makes your skin glow. Yes. As long as my face is shaped and I don't have a hairy mustache that Michael talks about every minute. I'm fine.

Oh my God. I feel like Timmy sees mine and doesn't say anything because if he said something to me, I would die of embarrassment. I'm so shy and embarrassed about that stuff. I started just like maybe I shouldn't say something. But he got to the point where I'm like, listen, I can't I can't do this. It was like fucking Rapunzel. my upper lip.

It was like, oh my God. And you didn't notice? No, I did. I was like, he's fine. Yeah.

She thought I went. We were driving and the sun hit it in that one way. Yeah. And I was like, wait a minute. No, he does this thing where he can't multitask.

So he'll like start talking to me and he fix it. And then he starts staring at it. And I'm like, what is your problem? Well, I'll try to give like a subtle hint. But then like, she will not accept the hints.

And then I'm just like, yo man, you got to get that long black thing out there. You know, sometimes though, you can't see. those things on your own face. Like you need someone else to call you out. Like I think I saw one on my mom the other day and I was like, mom, this is unacceptable. It was like two inches on her pin. And she's like,

I can't believe I didn't see this. So I mean, sometimes you need a call her. She's lucky she has me. You have other things with hair that you do. So don't get on your high horse. Listen, I'm a man though. So I don't want to be, you know, now I'm going to get in trouble being sexless. I just don't want to, I don't want to look at my wife with as long facial hair as me. Yeah, I don't blame you. I'm not. This is, if Timmy's listening, tell me if I have facial hair going on. You can tell me all day long. You guys don't tell me right now, but Timmy can tell me in the privacy of our own home. I'm glad I have a derma planar now in L.A. And good for you. I just carry one in my back pocket. I'm like, you should learn how to do it. What habits and routines do you have in the morning or night, if any? Because sometimes people don't have any. Yeah. So I'm a really bad habit keeper. Like I wish that I could be someone that could stick to something. I started doing. this list where I was writing down 20 things I was grateful for. And I wanted to do it every day for 21 days because I was listening to some podcasts and they told me like that was how long it took in order for it to kick in and create some like actual positive energy in your brain.

And I did it for like four days and then I just forgot. Like I'm just really bad about keeping two routines. I'm the kind of person that needs it. Like I need to work out, but I have an in two weeks. I'm just, I feel like I could think of a million different excuses about why I'm not doing it, but it's just laziness, I think. Or maybe you're just busy. You've got a lot going on. Yeah, but I could like, I could fit it in, but I just think of excuses of why it's not important. And then I beat myself up about it later, which is not healthy. So what's your morning routine? Do you have like a breakfast you go to? Like are you like a coffee drinker?

What time do you wake up? Or is it just every single day is different? Every day is different. Yeah, it just depends. Which is kind of unsettling, which is something that I want to talk to you about in our podcast. But it's a little unsettling because sunny wakes up at a different time every morning. And we, I don't wake up at a certain time every day. Like I've been having sleeping issues lately, which I need to figure out.

Like I've been waking up at like four or five and then not being able to go back to sleep, but I definitely do need my coffee every morning. Like, I know this is gross, but I go to coffee bean every morning and I get a cappuccino from coffee bean, which is like terrible coffee, but I've just been drinking it forever. And I have that in a banana, and that's it. Every Monday I do acupuncture, that's something that I'm trying to really like stay focused on and keep doing because I get really bad headaches. So I'm trying to take care of them that way. But other than that, like, it's really all about sunny schedule. It's like I wake up, I go in and get him, and then I bring him into our bed, and we hang out for a little while. And then I go get my coffee while Timmy watches him,

and then I come back and I make him breakfast. And then, like, our nanny will come and I'll sit on my computer for a little while. That's, like, basically generally what happens. If I'm lucky in the morning that a nanny will come early, then Timmy and I will go do hot yoga together. Like, that's my ideal is if I can do hot yoga with Timmy three times a week. But it's so hard for someone who doesn't have kids to give advice to someone who does have kids because, like, I've never had kids. Who fucking knows when I have kids? Like, I could have no morning routine. Speaking of that, what do you do when you get people criticizing you and the way you parent?

The other day, Lauren got a message. It's like, you're not allowed to parent. No, no, no. This is what they said. Let's get the exact setup. Someone messaged me because I was working on a Monday or Tuesday, which is not weird to be working on a Tuesday. No. and said, I hate how you promote workism and you work way too hard and you cannot raise children

like this. Ew. And I said back to her, thank you for your concern. I can actually raise kids however I want. You do you. I'll do me. And she wrote an apology in her like to like just say like to finish the story. She wrote a very long apology.

Yeah. And that sounds like she was deflecting something on to me. Yeah. Maybe she's not working and she felt like that. I don't know. Anyways, we would love to know how you deal. She was probably projecting her own insecurity about her not having a career. But that is really hard.

I think one of the things that I really am constantly working on is not caring about what anybody else thinks and parenting the way that Timmy and I want a parent. And that is a really, really hard thing to do, especially when you are trying to launch a podcast and are on social media and are on a reality TV show. Like, you're opening yourself up to all these people and wanting their opinions. So you're like basically you're signing up for it. Exactly. But then really what feels best and most comfortable to you is just doing what you,

what feels right to you. So it's really hard to shut out all those voices. And that can make you really insecure. And it can make me really insecure. And I think subconsciously, that's why I'm, I sometimes always question myself and what I'm doing and if it's the right thing because I have all these voices that not many people have. I mean, or maybe they do. Like everybody's part of a social media, a community in some way. We all are inundated with how people are doing things

all the time. And so I think probably everybody is constantly comparing themselves to other people. But for me, like, I just try to talk about it more and more. And I think the more I talk about it, the more I get people that are like, it's okay for you to feel that way. But if this is what you need to do to be happy, then you need to keep on doing it. Like this weekend, for instance, I'm going to New York on Tuesday and I'm leaving Sunny for 10 days. And we left him last weekend. And we left him the weekend before for three days. And I feel so guilty like I'm leaving this, like I, I'm abandoning him, but I also want to go and I'm and I'm going to go and I want to work hard and I want to do all these things. And so I have to, I'm constantly trying to like be in the moment and enjoy what I'm doing and be okay with what I'm doing. But it's so hard when you have like this, this guilt and you're worried about what other people are going to be thinking. There's this book by Dale Carnegie that's

called How to Stop Boring and Start Living, that you should totally read, that I'm in the midst of reading. I haven't read the whole thing, but everyone swears by this book. He's the guy that wrote how to win friends and influence others. Okay. So he's very smart. Yeah. It was very smart.

Well, I think it's, you know, we're living throughout a time, right? It's like the first time where people can give you their instant feedback, right? Like, they can just chime. Like, when you were doing TV in the beginning. Yeah. Like, the people couldn't access you like that. No. And now of a sudden now.

Maybe that's why I didn't care as much. Yeah. And now they're just, you know, coming in all over the place. All over the place. And luckily, I think most of the people that follow me are are nice, lovely people that are very validating. And for the most part, are giving positive feedback. But of course, there are those few here and there that say things that you wish they wouldn't say. Because then all that's then the one opinion that actually sticks in your head and makes you feel bad.

But it's, yeah, it's hard. I honestly think even if I wasn't on social media. and had a following that I would be, like, insecure about this stuff anyways. And Timmy's constantly always like, why are you worrying about something that hasn't even happened yet? Like, either you're going to manifest it or you're just wasting space in your brain, like, really enjoy the moment that you're in at the time. But it's hard for me to do.

I mean, you only have this much energy every day, like a thermometer full of energy and, like, to have to waste it on feeling guilty when you have to go to New York regardless. it's like such a waste in depleting of your energy. So it's like, I think that if anyone's making you feel guilty, you should just drown it out. I think you're doing an amazing job. And even if you weren't doing an amazing job, that's not anyone's prerogative to tell you besides you and your husband. Well, I was like to give the other perspective. Like if somebody's perspective is that you shouldn't be working as hard and you should be staying home with your kid, that's one perspective.

But what? And this is going to be controversial. If you flipped and said, actually maybe you should get off your ass and go work harder and create a better life. Yeah. People are going to lose their shit about that just because it's not society's norm. Totally. But that's what I think so interesting is like that could be my perspective and the other one could be your perspective.

But the point is you can't put your life, you can't push your lifestyle on somebody else. You opened up on your Instagram about something that I found really interesting and I don't hear a lot of people talking about it about not, it wasn't mommy shaming. I don't know if there's a word for it. It was like the bullying video. Bowling between mothers and like I can only imagine just I have like these like cartoons. in my head of like bad looks or like I can't like I just can't imagine all the politics when it comes to moms yeah because everyone is so opinionated and you find yourself saying things and asking

things that you swore you would never do like sometimes I'll even be like like how long did you breastfeed for and it's like Whitney why are you asking that like because maybe you don't have a conversation with that person so that's something that you go to to ask right but but I hated that question because it was a very like sensitive thing for me. And then if you find yourself like subconsciously just asking these things because that's what you have in common and you don't, it's, it makes people feel uncomfortable. And there's always this undertone of competition between moms that you don't even realize it's happening. There are like the right people out there to be friends. Like I don't have a lot of mom friends, but the few that I do, it's like a completely non-judgmental open relationship. I don't have time for any

of the other things. Granted, Sunny's not in school yet. So I think once he gets in school, I'm going to be opened up to that whole world. But yeah, I mean, that morning I went to that mom event,

these girls were total assholes to me. And they, like, part of me was like, did, were they just projecting something from their own life? Like, maybe they had a bad morning.

Maybe I misread the situation. But then I got confirmation from other people, people that even guessed who it was. like that knew who it was. And it's just, it's, it's a shame. And it upset me that day, but talking about it made me feel, it made me feel so much stronger. And that's what I love like this platform for. You're so amazing at opening up to your audience. I'm counting down the days and what's one thing I'm excited about about having children. I can't wait to watch Lauren interact in the PTA ratings. I'm going to, why? Why? Because it's just going to be amazing. It's going to be hilarious

to just watch you and you're in your, because I just know how you are. What do you mean? I just know how you're like, how am I going to be in a PPA meeting? I don't like just, I have my own. No, I just want to know really quick. Well, I just know how you're going to come in. You're going to be all done up. Your hair, you're just going to be running around, tits out.

Like, it's just going to be a whole thing. I don't care. I don't care what people think about me. That's what I'm going to allow. I've gotten to a place I don't care. Can I take some of that from you? How did you get to that place? I just, I just think that it takes a way to care what other people think is just like, it's a waste of

my energy and I have too much that I want. want to accomplish to give any energy. I just don't care. Did you, how long have you felt this way? Did it take you a while to not care? Yeah, it's, it's taken practice. Yeah. It's taken, it's, I practice stoicism.

My husband has never cared what anyone thinks of him, literally. But some, I actually care sometimes less than you about certain things. Like, you have to be like, no, that's, but that's, that's not true. I care about what the people that are very close with me and working with, like I care that. That they respect you. Yes. No, not even just that. Just I care about that they are good. Yeah. So in order like, there's certain things that

I would, that I can do that has impact on other people, right? Like everybody that's working with me. And so I'm conscious of that. But if it's somebody on the street or somebody hears you, I don't care. And it's not because I don't care about their feelings. It's because I know I have no control over it. Right. So I'm like, why am I going to spend time? That's why I like stoicism? Because you just realize you don't have control over what anyone else thinks. So why waste any. There's probably 30 things I've said on this episode. and, you know, if your audience is going to listen,

this is probably going to be their first interaction with me, they're like, whoa, like, that's a lot. Maybe I'm turning some people off, but it's not really. You haven't been that bad. Well, I'm just like, sometimes, like, you know, I could rub people because I just, I can only speak from my point of view, right. But I'm not pushing my point of view and I'm just saying like this is my point of view. Yeah.

And so I don't lose a lot of sleep over people disliking me. Yeah, that's rubbed off. Because I sleep well knowing that I'm just doing my thing. Yeah. You know? I mean, I think that's wonderful. And I think that's such an easier way to live life. my husband is like that too.

It's not that it's like, and your husband sounds like this. It's not like you're so evolved. It's just that there's no control over it. I think you do a really good job of not caring what people think. The way that you've put up your videos on your Instagram, you're so vulnerable. Like I would say that like I look up to that completely. Thank you.

I don't know. Sometimes I feel I just am conflicting. Like sometimes I really don't care. Like I'll come here with no makeup and like not like in a weird sports bra and and I really, I don't. care. Like, I'm like, oh, they don't, it doesn't matter if they think I'm put together or not or whatever. And then other times, I'm, like, constantly concerned about it. I don't know what it is

because I always thought I was, like, a confident person. I'm really concerned about, like, what my husband thinks about me. Like, do you guys feel, do you guys care about? Sure. I mean, like, if Lauren was like, man, this guy really, like, that would be devastating. Yeah, that sucks. Yeah. I just think at all times that you think I'm like 100%? Well, yeah. You do? No. You think that I do.

I always need validation. I need verbal. I need physical. I need... That's your love language. I need all of them all the time. And if I'm not getting them, then I'm like, oh my God, what's wrong with me? Listen, I think I've noticed with a lot of women, a lot of strong women that they, you know,

there's that the five love languages or whatever. Yeah. You can't have every one. I can have everyone. Lauren, it does the same thing. You guys pick everyone. touch, gifts. Yeah.

Why can't it? Depends on my mood. Yeah, that's what... Like, sometimes I want you to smother me. Sometimes get away from me. Sometimes I want you to like, tell me how much you love me. I'm like, eh, you know.

What's your sign? I'm a Pisces. Okay. All right. Honestly, I feel like every, like, strong woman's like that. Well, you can't capitalize every love language. It's not fair.

Why? Because we can't do all five. What's your love language? I don't know, Lauren. His love language is 100% whatever writing cards is. I don't know that is access service. Wait, my love language to her?

No, like what do you want? What do you need? Not gifts. Yeah. Don't want gifts. I don't know what to do if you give me a gift. Then I think I got to get a better gift. I go to a spiral of control. We don't do gifts anymore. Timmy does like experiences. That's cute. Last night we went to Chelsea Handler, which was yeah, another story. But yes, we're not, we're not doing like material things. Even though actually he told me for Father's Day, he wants a gravity blanket. Oh, well, that is. Those really. help with sleep. Do they? They actually really help with sleep. And if you're anxious. Okay. I wouldn't ever put a baby or a kid underneath it just because they're so heavy. And I had this experience

where I left one at home with my dog and we have little dogs. And I called my sister and I was like, take that away from the dog. It's too, it's too heavy. Yeah. Like I wouldn't put it near anything. Like it would smother them. Yeah. I don't know. You fall asleep and then get stuck under there and yeah. You know. Sounds good to me. I don't need to. I would like to get stuck under a guy. I don't know. Honestly, though, I think, like, when I was watching that your mom's video, your mom's bowling video, I also think there's an element to what you were saying in the influencer community that I've noticed. It's like sometimes very high school. Yes. Have you experienced that? I don't really interact or engage with any influencers. So I haven't really experienced that at all. But I do sometimes, look at like in my head, I think that there are like tears of them and they know when they're in like the top tier of influencers and and there's like, I don't know, I think there are clicks for sure. And I always get nervous around them and I like never want to bring up my phone and like,

you know, when people are always trying to take pictures to like maximize, I'm so bad at that. Like I'll never, I'll never ask anybody for a picture or tag or anything like that. I just don't feel comfortable. But have you experienced like a bad situation with an influencer? Nothing specifically. I've just seen like when you were talking about mom bullying. Like I can see like in the influencer community that there's there there's parallels, I guess. Yeah.

I don't go to a lot of events. I'm not a big networker. Me either. But like you don't want to network either. You're in bed by 730. I know. I mean, Timmy and I aren't like that either. Well, it's not no.

Not networking. I think it's establishing meaningful relationship. Like, I'm not like, I'm not like at some, like, cocktail mixer, like, running around, hitting out my business car. I don't even have a business car. I don't either. I'm not like out there. I saw Paige does.

Yeah, yeah. Well, page, we're actually working on some new cool ones, but I'm not like out there at like the wine mixer just like, you know, getting, getting on. I'm just, I just think it's interesting. Like, Lauren will meet someone that's like, oh, I really like that person. I'm like, well, are you going to like follow up? Are you going to like have a friendship? Yeah.

Yeah. Like, I honestly, like, I'm sitting here talking to you. in my head, I'm like, if I were confident enough, like, after this, I'd be like, Lauren, we should go get drinks or something. We should go. I mean, no offense to you, but, like, as a girl vibe thing. Paige can come too if you're listening. Paige, you're invited.

Right. To like, like, break the glass. Yeah. Dave, you can come to. I'll never understand this. And again, this I'm going to get in trouble being sexist. Like, women are so funny because you guys, like, oh, I really like that person. Like, well, you're going to fall in love and you're going to get, like, guys

like, oh, that was cool. Let's going to get a beer. And, like, you're friends. And that's it. and you're like buddies. Well, I have a lot of respect for, I think, your busy life. I know, I know how busy I am and I can only imagine adding a kid to the mix. It's a lot of work.

So I think I just have respect for people's time. Like, I mean, if it makes sense to go get a drink, I would love to go get a drink with tons of people. You have been in a situation or someone's like, Lauren, I really want to go. He's talking about specific people. Can you do it? That want to hang out with you and that you don't want to. She does. She does want to hang out.

But she's like, oh, I don't want to take their time. Like, they are literally inviting you go. I feel like, I feel like, I feel like, I'm. I'm like the kid, like the mother on the school year, it's like, go be friends. Totally. Timmy is the exact same with me. He's like, because I always think that like, and I talked about this in that episode, that I feel like I'm awkward and I'm like can be sometimes, I don't know, not standoffish,

but just people can take that as shy. And so I never think that anybody really wants to be friends with me. And so I, I don't have a lot of girlfriends. And Timmy, it's always so easy for Timmy to like invite his friends over for a casual afternoon and I'm like no I he's like invite your girlfriends I'm like but the house is a mess and I'll have to serve food and you know and overthinking and caring about what they think about the order of the house and but I'm like I'm in sweats I don't want to have to shower and then it becomes a whole thing and then I don't have plants so then it just is like a giant cock fest like at our

house too yeah all the time which I which I feel more comfortable with honestly I relate to you yeah I relate to you because then I And I can also just go into the bedroom and be by myself if I want to. Like, I always kind of need an out. Like, I can't linger with, like, plans for a while. See, that's my problem because I'll invite everybody over and then I'll decide, wait a minute, I made a mistake and I don't want to. So I leave.

And I go downstairs and I leave Lauren with everyone. She's like, what the fuck are you doing? Not fair. We have this one couple friend that, like, is notorious for just coming and then staying the whole day. One day actually slept over on our couch. No, no. And then the next day didn't leave until.

after dinner. No, no, no. I mean, this was before children, so we were, like, we didn't have as much to do, but oh, my God, this couple. Michael wants to name our kid excuse Bostic, so he has an excuse. Yeah, that's his, it is actually so true. You can use. Nobody will ever see me again.

No, you can always be like, oh, it's, the baby has two naps today. We're not going to be able to get out of the house. Or he's starting to have a runny nose. I don't think that we should really get out. If we get a three or four bedroom place, I always fill those bedrooms with just like, I'll be like, okay, that's actually a man cave note, but we don't have any beds. That's going to be for the night nurse. I don't let anyone come over. Your family has 14 guest rooms.

And I said to you, I said, I am not doing a guest room. Like, I'm just not. One of my best friends. Taylor would be over every night. One of my best friends from Boston's like, hey, man, I'm coming into town for a week. I got a piss. I'm like, absolutely not. You're going to have to go down the street.

I'm like, listen. We're adults. I'm like, listen, there are price ranges from Motel 6 to the four seasons. You figure it out. And actually, if you really can't afford anything, I don't want you to stay here so bad that I will supplement some just to keep you to fuck out. Why do people like to stay at other people's houses? I have so many friends in New York that when I go there, I have my sister-in-law who has a beautiful home in Brooklyn. And I'm like, I never want to stay at your house.

I'm sorry, I love you, Hillary, but like I never want to put myself out. Listen, I'm not trying to wake up in the middle of night and stubble down a weird hallway and have to go to the bathroom next to the cat litter box. That's what I envision when I stay and say. I don't want to do that. I don't want to ask you where the towels are. I don't want to know if it's wash. I don't want to know where to fold.

I don't want to do any of that. I don't want to ask for like where the breakfast cereal. I just want to get the fuck out. I want to have my coffee when I want it. I don't want to have to ask you for it. I don't want my meals to be dependent on your meals. I agree. It's too much.

Tell us about your podcast. It's still formulating, which. I think is a good thing. Like I went into it not having a really clear idea of exactly what I wanted to do. I know that I wanted to interview people that were really close to me that helped shape the person that I was so people could get to know me better and I could open up too with. And that I also wanted to interview people that had a lot to teach. So the first two episodes were my sister and my husband people that I felt comfortable

with because I was really nervous about it. this is a new thing for me and I felt like, okay, I can really open up with them. And it's a lot about... The whole office was tearing up. Really? I swear. It's really a lot about like life-changing moments that have impacted the way that people view the world now.

Like for my sisters and I, our episode was a lot about grief and how there's these things called grief classes now that we basically always wear essentially. That's how we see the world. like your life completely changes when you go through something traumatic like that, like a loss of a parent. And grief is a big part of the podcast, not that it's going to be all super depressing, but I think grief can be kind of like a dirty word. And I want to kind of like change the narrative on that and help people see the light and how to deal with it and realize that it's never going to actually go away. But there are ways that you can actually like as cheesy as it sounds, see the silver lining. So for me, that was my life-changing moment.

So I interview a lot of people about the moments in their lives that have been life-changing and how that's like shape the rest of their life, you know, like that sliding doors moment where you're like, this really changed the whole thing. I mean, if I didn't do the show in New York, I would have never met my husband. You know, I decided to say yes to this opportunity, really not knowing if it was the right thing for me, but I just said yes. And obviously it changed the whole trajectory of my life. He was a producer on the show.

show and I fell in love with him and then the rest was history, you know. So yeah, I had my sisters and Timmy and then I had my stylist, which is really fun just because I want to keep it light too and I want people to actually learn fun things and be entertained. And they're great, like empowering strong women that have a good message. And next week I actually have like a therapy session. Like I talk to this postpartum therapist and we have an hour long session where I just talk. talk to her about all my fears and struggles and anxieties with being a new mom. And I just lay it all out there. How have you dealt with grief?

What's the best tip you can give to our audience and anyone who's listening that is dealing with grief or has dealt with it? Is there something specific that's worked or has it just been little things that you've done over the years? I think it's both, but there are two big things that I think that have really helped me. One was joining a grief group. I joined a place called Our House on the West Side. you're allowed to join.

Basically, you can't join for the first six months after a person has passed away because they want you to kind of like sit with your grief for a little and you're just very raw at that stage. So actually, Paige, Ashley, my mom and I joined a group. We're all in different groups and you're with people who have lost a similar person. So I was with like a bunch of other 30-year-olds who had lost a parent. And we met once a week for a full year. And it was like our outlet, you know, it was. that scheduled time to actually, like, cry about it and talk about it because you don't give

yourself that time. And I wish that I could keep doing it. And I guess I could if I found another group. But I think that's the advice that the second piece of advice that I would give is to give yourself that time to grieve because life gets so crazy and fast pace that you don't sometimes sit with your feelings. And then they're just like, they're like sitting deep, deep, deep. and they're affecting how you're living and how you're seeing the world. And if you don't have a release and like a cry fest and feel sorry for yourself for like a good 10 minutes, it's, you're just going to, it's going to start to grow into like a cancer inside of you. And so I would say to allow yourself the time to actually like grieve the loss continually. It's spent six years and I still

have to kind of remind myself to sit and do that. Like sometimes I'll get, I'll have these days where like I can just feel it physically coming up my throat like I need a release and I try to allow myself to have it. Sometimes like I just take like a day or two and just like black out on all platforms and just like lay there and read. When you feel like it's like coming up to your throat, I know exactly what you're talking about where you just need to shut off and you just have to set a boundary. Is it hard to be married? I'm just guessing it seems that Timmy has maybe not experienced what you've experienced, is it hard that just a position? Because sometimes with Michael, like, I've had some trauma and Michael hasn't had that kind of trauma. And so it's sometimes hard to connect.

Yes, 100%. He tries to be sympathetic, but he can't be empathetic because he hasn't actually felt it. And the people that I really find the most support from are the people that have actually gone through it. So it is frustrating because sometimes, even though I, even though deep down I know he's not judging me for being sad. I feel like he is. And I feel like he is always saying to me, which I know is partly true, but that it's a choice to be happy, that you can just make that choice to be happy. And I'm like, it's not that simple. Like, I can't just choose to not have feelings about my father passing away. You know, like in this moment, I'm so sad. I can't just choose to be happy and he thinks I think sometimes he thinks that's a lot easier to to just turn that off.

And that's impossible. It's not that. It's not just a man thing. It's impossible to relate to it. Because if you haven't had it, because if I haven't had it, you can't, there's no, there's no possible way to understand that feeling. Yeah. Like you can, you think, you can, but it's, and you can like kind of imagine what it should feel like, but there's no way to actually feel it. Right. And then, and then the other part of that is, since you've never felt it and you don't know, you don't know how to approach the conversation. Totally. So then sometimes there's,

I know there's frustration there because you don't know how to have the conversation with somebody because you're not sensitive enough to because you haven't felt it. So you're just like kind of trying to, it's awkward for both people. Yeah. I think the best advice I would give for a spouse or a friend

is to bring it up even when the person is not feeling upset about it. Like I know we haven't talked about your mom in a while. You know, like how are you doing about it? How have you been feeling? Like if Timmy did that, I would be like, oh my God. You know, because you, even though people think grief and death is something that no one ever wants to talk about it, the person that's actually been affected by it wants to talk about it more than you think. That's good advice. It's good for me to know.

So I wrote a blog post on this three years ago and you didn't read it. I can tell. I read it up with the whole blog post. No, there's a different blog post. I'll send it to you. And I said like my advice with death is exactly what you just said. It's like it's not being there for the person a month, a week, two months after. It's actually reaching out like two years down the line and being like, hey, how you're doing?

How are you doing? I wrote a blog post on this. Because it never goes away for the person, but people forget, other people forget about it. And it's not that you've forgotten about it, but sometimes it's just not in the forefront because maybe it happened so long ago. But for the person that's actually going through it, it's something, at least for me, that I'm thinking about every single day. And for it to be something that's that important to me that I'm thinking about every single day, I would think that my husband should ask me more often about it.

Well, this is a good remark. I mean, ooh, I'm going to play that clip. Taylor, pull it on repeat when you wake up. I'm going to sublimily put it into our white noise machine. But you know, it's good for me to hear this because not just with Lauren, but there's other people that I think of when you say that I could be reaching out to, for sure. Yeah. That have had. Yeah.

It's not just like a text that says like thinking of you and then like sending flowers. It's like. But like I said, if you have that. been through it, you just don't understand. And a lot of time you think, oh, maybe they, like, don't bring this up. It's a sort of thing to bring up. Right. That would be what I would think, too, if it hadn't happened to me.

I'd be like, why would I want to bring up the death of their parent? Like, if they're not thinking about it right now, why would I make them think about it? But it's different. Yeah. Good advice. I feel like the show is such an amazing manipulation to my husband. It's like, you know. This shows taught me a lot of things.

A lot of therapy. He has a whole skincare routine. Now he has perspective. on death. Your skin looks wonderful. Thank you. Keep the compliments at bay. What's a book or resource, a podcast that you could recommend to our audience? It's brought you a lot of value. Okay. I don't know if you guys will like this very much, but I have been listening to the Goop podcast and I find a lot of value from it. I learn a lot. I think that they have a lot of amazing doctors doing really cool things.

So I listened to that podcast. I don't really have a book right now that I could that I could recommend. I'm reading this like Montessori method book for Sunny because we're sending him to a Montessori school. What does that mean? I honestly, I don't even know if I can describe it to you other than that it really supports like independent play and finishing a project. Like I toured two different schools. One was like paint everywhere, glitter, art projects, loud music, like looked great,

looked fun. Kids could explore and do their own thing. And then I went to the Montessori school and like the kids were all like quietly playing by themselves, working on something. It was almost like they had given them all a morphine drip or something. Timi and I were like, what is wrong with these kids? But then we're like, this is amazing. They're so peaceful.

And so that's essentially like Montessori for me in a nutshell. Let me guess. You went to Montessori. Of course you did. He is so cerebral when he's alone. I love that. Of course you went to Montessori. It's called Santa Fe Montessori.

You went to Montessori. Yes, you went to Montessori. Wow, that makes so much sense. Yeah. Listen, I just want to be in the corner. You just want to be playing with your toys, peaceful. Where can everyone find you? Your Instagram, your podcast, pimp yourself out.

Yeah, so my Instagram is at Whitney Eveport, and my podcast is With Wit on the Dear Media Network, and it's crushing it. And The Hills is coming out June 24th on MTV. I can't wait. Thank you guys. It really plays to my nostalgia. Like, I cannot wait. Thank you for coming on.

We're going to have viewing parties. You can come away. Thank you for lending me your sister. Oh, my God. Thank you for a little while. She's the best. We're having olive oil cake. next week with her. Is she making it? No, we're going to this restaurant. Layar Tuesday. You're welcome

to come if you're around on Tuesday night. I'm sure that you have a hundred things to do. I drag her around on the subway with me. First time, she was a little nervous. We never went on the subway. Our parents were like, you're not allowed to go on the subway. I was like, you know, it was like kind of like keep up with the keep up. And I was like, yeah, come on. You'll be fine. I brought her down into like the bowels of New York. And we charge her. Now she's going to page. We love you. Love you. Whitney, thank you for coming on. Oh, and I'm going to do Whitney's podcast right now. So make sure you check it out.

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