The Bossticks - Wrinkle Fixes, Wellness Hacks, & The Beauty Tech Revolution Ft. Expert Esthetician Staci Christie & LightStim Founder Steve Marchese

Episode Date: January 30, 2025

DESCRIPTION #803: Join us as we sit down with Expert Esthetician, Staci Christie, & LightStim Founder, Steve Marchese! Discover the incredible benefits of light stimulation, say bye to wrinkles, acne, & pain with the transformative power of LightStim technology! Lauryn's lifelong esthetician, Staci, gets real about the power of including therapeutic light energy to your skincare routine. Joined by Steve, the CEO & Founder of Lightstim, who dives into the benefits, science, & technology – designed to nourish your skin from within. In this episode, we discuss common misconceptions, aesthetic & therapeutic advantages, & address the importance of why light stimulation is a must-have in your skincare routine.    To Watch the Show click HERE   For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM   To connect with LightStim click HERE   To connect with Staci Christie click HERE   To connect with Lauryn Bosstick click HERE   To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE   Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE   To Call the Him & Her Hotline call: 1-833-SKINNYS (754-6697)   This episode is brought to you by The Skinny Confidential   Head to the HIM & HER Show ShopMy page HERE and LTK page HERE to find all of Michael and Lauryn's favorite products mentioned on their latest episodes.   To learn more about LightStim visit lightstim.com and use code SKINNY for 10% off select LightStim products.    To learn more about Staci Christie, book a consultation, and purchase her favorite products visit stacichristie.com and use code SKINNY for 10% off.    This episode is sponsored by Arrae   Go to arrae.com and use code 'SKINNY' at checkout to receive 15% off and 4 free Bloat travel packs with your first purchase or autoship order.   This episode is sponsored by YNAB   Claim an exclusive three-month free trial, with no credit card required at YNAB.com/skinny.   This episode is sponsored by Vivrelle   Go to vivrelle.com and apply for a membership today using code SKINNY for 30% off 4 months of membership - the code will also allow you to skip the Vivrelle waitlist.   This episode is sponsored by Oura   Visit ouraring.com.   This episode is sponsored by Seedlip   Start the New Year right by visiting seedlipdrinks.com and entering the code SKINNYCONFIDENTIAL to get 20% off your purchase.   This episode is sponsored by Nutrafol   For a limited time, Nutrafol is offering our listeners $10 off your first month's subscription and free shipping when you go to Nutrafol.com and enter the promo code SKINNYHAIR.   Produced by Dear Media

The following podcast is a dear media production. She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire. Fantastic. And he's a serial entrepreneur. A very smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you alone for the ride. Get ready for some major realness. Welcome to the skinny confidential, him and her.

Let me give you the juice on light stimulation. So I was really properly introduced to red light therapy by Stacey Christy, who, as you guys know, she's been on the show, is my medical esthetician in San Diego. She is incredible. There is truly no one like her when it comes to skin. I've never seen such beautiful skin in person. She has glowing, dewy, clear, stunning skin. and she just knows what she's talking about. And I'm so lucky to talk to so many different skin experts

and to be able to pick her brain every single time. She is working on my skin. It has been a real treat. I have known Stacey since I was 20 years old. Literally met her working at a boutique. She came in and I was like, who the fuck are you? And where the fuck did you get that skin? I basically harassed her at 20 years old and I've seen her ever since. I have introduced my friends, my husband, my community to Stacey Christie. Now, since going to her, she has always gone on and on about her red light bed. Stacey had been dying to introduce me to the founder of Lightstem, who we have on the podcast, Steve. I finally got to get a bed of my own, a light stimulation bed. Currently I'm pregnant. As you guys know, I'm going to do a show about that.

so I'm not laying on the bed because it's been recommended not to heat your body temperature up too much when you're pregnant. But I am using the ellipsa every single day. Anyway, I'm such a fan of light stimulation that I wanted to go straight to the source to get all the details for you guys. So I invited Stacey and Steve on the show. On that note, let's welcome our esthetician and expert estetician, Stacey Christie, and light stem founder to the him and her show. This is the skinny confidential, him and her. This episode is one that I personally am so excited about because not only do I have my esthetician who I've been going to since I was 21, Stacey Christie, she's back on the show.

You guys loved her episode. Hi, guys. But I also have someone who she loves, who I've come to love, Steve, who owns light stem, which is light stimulation. He's going to explain it to us, not red light therapy. So first, just to get the lay of the land, why is it light stimulation and not red light therapy? So it started out being called LED light therapy. But using the word therapy is a misnomer because it's treating wrinkles too. You might be doing some things like where you're making pain go away. That's therapy. Rinkles is aesthetics. It's not, so using therapy doesn't,

work. Then the scientists started using words like photobiomodulation in low-level light therapy, which really more related to lasers. And then all of a sudden, red light therapy came into being the word that was being used. But it's a misnomer, again, therapy, but it's also a misnomer in that red light because it's not just red LEDs, it's infrared LEDs, it's amber, it's blue. And so really the category is called light stimulation because you are using different wavelengths of light to cause the cell to stimulate the cell to do something, whatever it is that it is going to be doing. You told me something so interesting. You came to my house to install a bed, which we're going to get into. And I was telling you, I love the cold plunge sauna. And you said something about what light stimulation does compared to it.

and it blew my mind. What was that stat? So you said you had had an infrared sauna, right? Uh-huh. Yeah. So an infrared sauna is the best kind of sauna you could have because you're not going to have to worry about mold and it's not, you're not something you're having to clean all the time,

like a normal wet sauna would be. But don't be confused because it's an infrared sauna. Don't think that you're getting infrared value out of it. The infrared's just being used to make you sweat, to make you sweat out the toxins and the drugs that have accumulated in the fatty tissue of the body over years of time. It is not reducing your inflammation, which is what LED infrared will do. And a lot of that has to do with how far away the actual light source is. What is the main difference between traditional sauna and infrared?

What is the idea that they're doing different? It's just a different way of heating you up in a traditional. traditional sauna, I mean, it's really a more almost a steam room with throwing water on the rocks and that sort of thing. You've got mold you've got to deal with all the time. Whereas an infrared sun, it's all dry in there. You think that's just a huge environment for bacteria to accumulate. Now she's starting to think of the bacteria I've had on my face and she's starting to put it together. I first learned about this specific light stimulation through Stacey. I went to your office to get a facial and you were like, Lauren, you have to lay on this bed. And it blew my fucking mind. Well, the light stem bed is nothing shy of a miracle bed. My personal experience is I injured my back terribly. It was told by orthopedic surgeons. I needed shots and surgery. My days of tennis and even working as an aesthetician were done. A good friend of mine was my sales rep. Contacted Steve. Steve contacted me. Stace, you've been carrying my handhelds, which are incredible,

for years, do me a favor. You need to lay on this bed before you go forward with shots and surgery. Steve, I can't afford that kind of, you know, whatever. So he's kindly sent a bed to my house pre-COVID. During a 10-day period, COVID hit, the whole world slams down. The bed is at my house. No one can pick it up. The good news was 14 days later, two weeks solid I laid on that bed. I was back on tennis court, I had no pain. So I said, Steve, I need this bed. I remodeled my office to accommodate the bed. Not only has it helped me, countless patients. One guy, six, five, tumbled downstairs, walked in with a cane, grimacing in pain, torn rotator cuff, just back legs, the whole nine yards. Five days, no life, five treatments. No cane. Couldn't believe how good he

felt. So let's back up for a second. Steve, how did you get into this and how to become interested in this space to begin with? My wife and I are serial entrepreneurs. We met when she was 16 and I was 22. So we've had a couple of businesses, and we were in between businesses. A girlfriend of hers told her that she should buy this light device. You didn't even know what to call it. And that it was really good for wrinkles.

And so she did. She bought it and she starts using it. And within two weeks, like a big change happened where, you know, Like she would do the thing that a lot of women do when they look in the mirrors, they tear themselves apart. And they like, oh, that's bad and that's bad and that could be better. And that's not a great way for your wife to start out her day, right? And so she's using this light. And then all of a sudden after two weeks, she's going, you know, I might look a little bit better there.

Like, like, and then she kept using it. And like after about three months, it's like wrinkles were literally starting to become less and less. tightening up in the Jowl area here. And so she basically sent a testimonial into the company. And the company at that time was two inventors working out of a garage and said, thank you. I love your product. Here's some pictures. And they kind of went, you're nice looking.

You're the right age. Would you be our spokesperson? And we were like in between businesses. So she had time on her hands. We always have worked together. She goes, sure. So they came over to our house and they were videoing her in our living room because those were the days when you would always give a video with anything that you bought, you know, and I'll do a little disc. And I'm in our office at our home with the main inventor. And I realized that he's out of business. Like he doesn't even know it, but he's broke every friend and family member around him. And not from having bad intentions, just from not being a knowing business. You know, so I made a deal to buy the company from him there.

We were off and running and we had no idea what we were doing. I mean, we were in, you know, an automotive business prior to that and building custom homes. This was manufacturing of a device that could be used in health and beauty and it was like a whole new world. What do people who are listening need to know about other companies in light stimulation? What are things to look out for where it's a scam? I think the number one thing would be to buy products that are made in the U.S. For one, the company is located here, whatever company it is, and you can actually get your product fixed if there's something wrong with it.

And then above and beyond that, like FDA clearance. I'm not, you know, a lot of people you say that and they go, ah, the FDA doesn't do a good job on it. And I'm like, maybe they've blown it on drugs. We've all seen that, but they're really strict on devices. and safety and efficacy testing is really tough. You told me a super interesting fact at my house. You said that in Germany, they have these beds in hospitals.

Oh, and we were talking about hyperbaric chambers. I'm sorry. We were talking about hyperbaric chambers. You're right. Yeah. For some reason, I thought you said, isn't slight stimulation, though, used in other countries or no? Oh, yeah.

I mean, it was more prevalent in Europe before it became prevalent in the U.S. Why? Don't know why. Actually, I can't, yeah, I don't know why. But now, like, the U.S. is all over it, way more than anywhere else in the world. But do you think that because it's so healing and because there's so many things that it's doing right that maybe the U.S. is like, high level for people that aren't familiar with light therapy, what, how does the technology actually work and interact with the human body to heal or whatever it does? Because I think a lot of people are unclear about how this technology actually interacts with our bodies.

So in a real simple explanation that everybody can understand is there are different wavelengths of light. And you could look at the definition of wavelengths as colors. So there's red and there's infrared, which the human eye can't see. So it looks like it's not actually lit, but it is. So when you look at some of these light beds and it looks like the bulbs out, it's not, that's the infrared. That's the infrared, yeah.

So different wavelengths do different things when they interact with cells, when they feed that light energy to a cell and the cell has a response from it and depending on on what the wavelength or color of light that you're feeding it is is the response can be different and like everybody thought red light red LEDs in particular were the only thing that you could use for wrinkles and then we did studies like 15 years ago and we added amber to the red so it wasn't just using the red, but now we're adding amber also. And we got way better results with wrinkles with that. And we actually got the first FDA clearance

for full face wrinkles. They only used to approve periorbital around your eye. But they saw that we were getting results everywhere, even like the hard nasal labial folds and up in your forehead and that sort of thing. And we lights them got the first FDA clearance, or you could also interchange the word clearance for approval, they just use a clearance for devices for the treatment of wrinkles on the entire face.

So they've been able to explain scientifically why Amber and Red Light does this to the skin and why it clears up wrinkles? Is it producing more collagen or what, like what is it activating? Yeah, so the cells are, the mitochondria of the cell absorbs that light energy and then converts it to, if you remember your high school biology, something called Andrenazine Triphosphate or A-T-E-Sor, A-T-E, That's what I was going to say. That's the gasoline. That's the gasoline that runs ourselves. And interesting fact is most people don't know is that from age 20 on, we produce 8 to 10% less ATP every decade we're alive.

That's a lot. Yeah. With what you do with skin, Stacey, how have you seen this therapy enhance what you do with skin? Oh, well, every single facial I do, I incorporate the pro panel, the anti-wrinkle panel, or Steve recently came out with the ellipsa, which is a little more compact, not quite as strong, yes, but it enhances my facial treatment. You know, people are always saying, oh, my God, I've never had a facial like the facial you've given me, but you've experienced what I do. And red light finishes all of my facial treatments because I have just done an oxygen infusion, and now I'm

infusing everything with this anti-wrinkle face panel. And here's a quick story. Another patient, the little handheld device, which is very affordable and very user-friendly. During COVID, no one was getting treatments or Botox or anything. I saw a patient after we were able to get back to our lives. I said, my God, where'd you go find Botox during this time? Stacey, I used my handheld every single day on my glabella between her eyebrows.

It looked like someone took an iron to her front. forehead. How long do I have that one and Michael was using it today? It was like a whole scenario. He's in the bathroom naked using, it's like a lot to take in. Where was you using it? He was using it in his gooch. No more wrinkles. It looks like someone ironed it out there. Oh, thank you. I do not need that visual. It's too early. But if he uses it on his face, how long does he have to use it and is he actually pressing it onto his skin. It needs to touch your skin, but I'm going to let you answer that question. Ask me one more time. How long do you have to use the handheld device on your face? Oh, so it actually beeps every three minutes. So you'd hold it gently touching the skin and gently

meaning barely, but touching. And you can hold it right up to underneath the lid, your eyelid, or you can right alongside the crow's foot, no problem. Most people do it where they watch television. And you might just want to close your eye on that side of your face if the light bothers you. in a three minutes, you just move it to the next location. And you could then do the neck. You could do the declatte. And then if you're watching a movie, you start back over again. My wife watches television with two on her, like one on each side of her face.

You can do a lot in three minutes, guys. Okay, so if someone was to pick between the wand and the ellipsa, to me, it's like you go for the ellipse because you don't have to hold it, right? What are you picking? That's kind of hard to say. So initially, I think that you're going to get the best results from actually the least expensive device, which is the $249 light stem for wrinkles. Because it's actually touching.

And distance is everything. We're going to talk in a little while whenever you're ready about distance and penetration. What? Let it rip. Tell me about distance and penetration. I understand this topic. And then, and then, but once you've like built up enough collagen, you know, it takes, it's a few months that you start, it's actually about eight to ten weeks that you start seeing change if you took a good before and after picture. But it's, it's plumping up that lower level of skin, that derms layer and it's pushing the fold of the wrinkle out like that little by little.

So because it's plumping up the collagen. That's right. Okay. It's right. So you've got to, it's like blowing up a balloon kind of like, except that it's just creating more collagen. So consistency is key. Consistency with anything we do, but the consistency is key. So I send my patients home with a handheld, at least, bare minimum,

continue to use this until I see you again. And it's so effective, but you just have to use it. This is a weird thing that I was wondering. Does it do something to stimulate your eyes in the morning? Because when I look at it, I feel like my, this is so weird that my hormones get balanced. There are clinical studies that show that certain wavelengths of light will help to release. serotonin and dopamine. And so that's like a whole mind-altering thing.

Like you're feeling good and you look in the mirror and you've, like your day's starting out right now and that sort of thing. And it's that feeling that's that serotonin and dopamine, I think, great. That might be what. I have a weird thing that I want to tell you that I was going to bring up on the, well, bring it up now. So I did the bed that you dropped at our house and I did it late one night. I was like, okay, I'm just going to try it at night.

And I track my sleep every night. We have an eight sleep in it. It tracks, you know, like the REM cycles and the deep sleep cycles. And typically I'm like hour and a half deep, hour and a half REM. I think that's like kind of average if you're getting decent sleep. So anyways, I went to sleep. And the next morning I like had all these crazy dreams. And I woke up and I had three hours and 20 minutes of REM sleep.

I do mine every night before I go to bed. And I told Lord and I said that's that was a crazy. Because it gives you such a good sleep. So I was wondering if there's any explanation as to, why that would occur and why you would get that. Obviously, sleep is restorative and all this. Totally. So I have to, like, do all the correct stuff for the FDA here.

Like, what the bed is actually approved for by the FDA or cleared for by the FDA is muscle and joint pain, arthritic pain and stiffness, and increased blood circulation. And, and, but, but there are like 4,000 studies on LED. And, and many of those studies say that, that if you use the right, wavelengths, LED can release, and I'm going to have to use this word, I'm sorry, but it's trapped nitric oxide. And that's not nitrous like your dentist uses, but nitric oxide, which is a signaling molecule in the body, was discovered in the mid-90s by three scientists. It was such a big thing that they received the Nobel Prize for the discovery of it in 1998. And one of the things,

when you have a high level of nitric oxide is you have better sleep, way better sleep. They did a clinical study on that. They did clinical studies on all kinds of stuff with nitric oxide with increasing people's nitric oxide levels. And they did it using a gas mostly, which is not like a real natural way. I mean, you eat walnuts or you could take supplements with nitric oxide to help create more and more nitric oxide. But we have a lot of it, The studies show it reduces heart attacks, reduces strokes, it increases blood flow to the brain, it increases libido in women. It makes men's erectile dysfunction drugs work two times as good, builds the immune system

for athletes. It gives them more strength, more stamina, and a faster recovery time. And I'm going to tell you a story about a recovery time. So a lot of people that watch sports would know a guy named Sequin Barkley, who is a running back for the Giants, I think. two years ago he suffered a high ankle sprain there were nine games left in the season and they told him he was done because nobody comes back from a high ankle sprain fast i flew him a bed to his house in new jersey he did three and four hours a day on the bed instead of missing the last nine games walks back on

the field two weeks later and sets a personal record of 206 yards damn success and is that because all of these factors like for me what i found is like i'm always watching this something like that's interesting if I'm sleeping better. It's obviously going to affect a million other things in recovery and all that. But for him, is it because it's a culmination of all of these things that you're able to basically speed up recovery? Or legally, are you allowed? Yeah. Me twice. Okay. Let me ask you this. But I could say potentially, like as the host of the show, that there's a hypothesis that could be made based on the evidence that I saw that if I was

suffering from getting a night of sleep like that and having the REM sleep kick up to double what I usually get would accelerate whatever recovery I needed to have. And if, you know, if certain wavelengths of light are helping to produce more collagen and elastin for it to make wrinkles go away, and that's because of that energy level of cell, that would say that it's also increasing, you know, energy levels of your cells, your ATP. And they've done studies on that that show that there could be like a 200% increase or something like that in the increase of ATP.

And look at my recovery. I was unable to walk, Gascona. I thought I was going to have to crawl. I was in tears. I was in so much pain and told your only choice is surgery after shots to bring down inflammation. The bed literally put me back on my feet, back on the court, back to work. That's why I'm such a huge believer in that bed. What are some other things that you've seen, some benefits yourself that you are shocked by?

And just really quick, when I laid on the bed in your office, something I noticed, does it put me in a theta state? so I was asleep, I think, but I was awake. And it was almost meditative where it like restored me. Have you seen stuff like that? It's so weird. How I like to explain it, it's like a calmed energy. So you're relaxed and chill, but because of the serotonin and dopamine being increased, you're in a better mood.

I had a guy who like really doesn't like people. He's just kind of a hermit and he's a client of mine. He laid on the bed, he calls me. He's like, what the fuck, Stacey? He says, I just said hello to a stranger in Starbucks. I don't even like people. He felt so good. He wasn't even himself.

And it's just, it works on a variety of different, you know, aspects of injuries. And then the whole anti-wrinkle for my business, I think every esthetician, if they could have the bed, they should have the bed, bare minimum, the propanel to use that in conjunction with skin care, dermatology. There's, you know, orthopedic surgeons for patients who are recovering from surgery. Plastic surgeons, I mean, this, the bed and all. all of the devices you've got from your pain aspect to your beauty aspect. It's just encompassing.

I mean, it's a fabulous device. And they could count on working. Like, we've been around 25 years. We sell to about 40,000 spas and many spas and that sort of thing in the U.S. alone and have about a hundred, I'm sorry, about a million consumers using our handhelds every night while they watch television. The handheld's a no-brainer. What are the skeptics, not of your company, but of this therapy in general, say,

Like, why is this not more widely adopted by? You know, it is now. It is now. It is now. It's starting to. Yeah. We used to go to, like, doctors' shows, trade shows 10 years ago, and they'd walk by and they'd laugh and they'd go, oh, I've got lasers that are way more strong than those things,

than those LEDs. And we're like, yeah. And our things repair the damage that yours lasers do to somebody's face. They're completely different. But we really don't run into it anymore. Most doctors are hip to it. Definitely all the anti-aging doctors and the integrative medicine doctors,

they're all onto it. Like every large franchise in the country is calling us to use our bed in their franchises for fitness, massage, facial recovery. Well, you mentioned the FDA and like, I know you can't say this, but I can't. There's been so many issues. I think people are at the point where we're tired

as a country of just managing sick care. Like after something happens, like, okay, now I got to take all these things and all these pharmaceuticals. The people are looking for preventative measures and things that they can use to feel and look better consistently. And that topic is consistent on this show. And a lot of times we bring these kind of conversations on here. And in the beginning, people are like, what the hell are you guys talking about? But sure enough, over time, people start to kind of come our way.

If there is an esthetician listening, how would you incorporate the red light if you really want the bed and your eyes on the bed, but how would you just incorporate it quickly? into your facial. The pro panel. You would do a pro panel and you do it last. Well, I use it actually, yeah, at the end, after I've done, after I've infused all my serums, after my oxygen infusion, or during the middle of the hydrophacial, before I put the mask on, I like to infuse serums, nothing that's too opaque on the skin.

And it's just, you know, 20 minutes. It's, I mean, it makes such a difference. And I don't do much Botox myself. I don't do any filler. You know, I don't have that many wrinkles. And go look at her skin on YouTube. Cry me a river about it. I look at it every day.

It's the best skin ever. Well, thank you, honey. But I'm telling you, it's not only what I do, but I will give a lot of credit to light stem as well because I've been using it consistently. Again, consistency is key, but I've been using it consistently, well, since 2020. A supplement that I have taken every single day,

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Yeah, go. You let it rip. I want to tell you how the bed came about. Let it rip. So our son works with us in the business. He's 35 now. And 14 years ago, he was 21, picture of health, you know, California male. And he worked with us.

And he had problems with his tonsils. He never had him out when he was younger. And so he decides to go in the hospital and get him taken out. He does that. He's in recovery. We're at the hospital. My wife and I are at the hospital. And he's in recovery and all of a sudden things go way south.

And like his blood pressure shoots up to 210 over 165. He starts hemorrhaging. They throw him back into the surgery for four hours. They actually had to give him a bunch of drugs that did away with all the drugs that put them out in the first place so that they can then give him the drugs to put them out again to put them back into surgery. It was like radical. They give them back to us and they go, he's got, what's the word?

It's like chronic high blood pressure, 165 over 110, 115. He could have a stroke at any moment. He could die. Like he had it just in that moment or he's consistently had it? He is chronic high blood pressure and we didn't know it. And they go, you need to do something like right now and we're like, holy God. Like, so we're. But they had no explanation of why this is occurring.

And we're normally like alternative minded medically first, you know, But they tell your kid that your 21-year-old kid could die. And we're like, we're straight to regular medicine, put them on the drugs, dropped at three points. Like, we're like, okay, so we're, he could maybe be impotent from getting the drugs. So for three points, we're not doing that to him. So we take them off the drugs. We know, like I said, we sold the 40,000 spas, metispas, doctors in the U.S. We know everybody.

Like, we took them everywhere, integrative medicine doctors, anti-aging doctors. natural pass, Chinese medicine, nobody ever found anything wrong with them and nothing worked. Nothing brought his blood pressure down. And I noticed, he and I were talking on a Saturday in manufacturing, we're sitting in manufacturing and we're talking and we weren't open. And I remembered something that like every day about two o'clock, I go, you just die. Like you just pass out on the couch. Like you've got no energy left.

I go, maybe there's something wrong with. your cells and they're not producing enough ATP, the energy source of your cell. And maybe, maybe that's why nothing works on you because your cells don't have enough energy to carry out the function that they should carry out whenever somebody gives you some kind of stimulant, some kind of vitamin, some, you know, that sort of thing. I saw, so we should build like a, I didn't even know what to call it, a bed, you know, something big that has wavelengths that we know the cells would absorb and convert to ATP. and that took six years.

And sometimes I tell a story and I joke and I go, so my son died. But no, but that took six years. But in 60 days, he and an engineer and a welder put something together that look like a white coffin. Everything we do is white. Light's them is very Apple-esque looking kind of. So it had slab quarter inch steel sides and a straight piece of glass on the top. The only reason why we used glass is because we needed the, we needed to make sure that the angle of light was going through and not being distorted, so it would get to them. And it was, and so in 60 days we built this really crude thing that took six months, six years to perfect.

So we finish it. He lays on it three days a week. And two months later, his blood pressure is 130 over 80. And we go, whoa, we should, we should build this thing. Oh, my God. Why was he not producing ATP? So I'm going to like go into the... No idea.

No idea. No idea. And he was active and all this stuff. But that was the point where we all went, this is a good, this could be a good product. Maybe this could help a lot of people. First thing we did was go to the FDA. And because everything we have is FDA cleared. We've done all the clinical studies.

We do all the right stuff. It puts through all the safety testing. I happened to had worked a lot with the assistant director of the FDA. And so I went straight to him and I said, Neil, we want to build this bed, this LED bed, you know, we want to get it cleared. He goes, don't bother. So he goes, save your money. Don't pay it, don't write us a check. He goes, you're never going to get it cleared because that doesn't work.

And I go, what do you mean? That doesn't work. He goes, well, he goes, everything that's been developed like that, it's all just lighting up the skin. You get no penetration. They're not doing anything. It's not an aesthetic device as a wellness device. You need to affect a lot of cells. with this good energy to actually get a measurable result.

So don't waste your money. And I go, I go, well, why? Like, why aren't they getting penetration? What's the deal? And that started, like, really a six-year conversation with them before we actually got FDA clearance, making many different models, many different modifications. We kind of learned three things.

If you're further away than three quarters of an inch from the tip of the LED bulb. And this is not for aesthetics. That could be two or three. The panel for the face could be two, three inches away, no problem. But for wellness,

you need depth of penetration. You don't want to just affect the cells on the surface, but you want to affect them an inch or so down. You want to affect, get it down into muscles and joints and organs. So people that are standing in front of these kind of... It's a joke.

And they're, you know, five feet away or three feet away or two feet away. It's a joke. It's a joke. Yeah. Yeah, and or even anything that's got a top to it. This is why we built a one-sided bed that you flip on, and we made it so you're actually only a quarter inch off the tip of the bulb.

Because you need the penetration. Yeah. And then the next thing we found was that, you know, we knew that we would order LEDs like maybe some emitting lights somewhere between maybe 50, I'm sorry, 15 and 50 degrees. You know, so that that's an angle that's got some intensity to it that would help you to penetrate deep, okay, as opposed to 180 degrees. It's got no penetration. Just take a light flashlight sometime

and hold it right against the wall, back it off a quarter of an inch and look at what you got, then back it off like two inches and look at what you got. And you just see light loses its power exponentially as you leave the tip of the bulb. Anyway, we ordered these LEDs,

emitting light like that between 15 and say 50 degrees, but we were getting no penetration. And what was happening was it was hitting the acrylic and it was dispersing out 180 degrees. So my son immediately goes on this mission of buying every device on the market and checking them out. Everybody's got this problem.

But so- The acrylic that they were putting over the light was dispersing the light and then they're getting no penetration also you're not close enough. So it's just like the light's just not even touching you. Right. So he spent two years with the four largest manufacturers of acrylics in the world to come up with this acrylic

that finally lets the light through without distorting it. The third thing was that the FDA has an efficacy test for getting this pain approval and increased blood circulation approval on these full body devices. And what it is is you have to raise the tissue temperature, your skin temperature, of your entire body to between 40 and 44 degrees Celsius. That's about 104 to around 111 or 12 degrees Fahrenheit. which you go, wow, that's hot. Well, it's not hot for a skin temperature.

Outside, it's you're sweating like a pig in that temperature. But for your skin to get to that temperature, it's not a big deal. It's actually that soothing, soothing, gentle, relaxing warmth that you were talking about that puts you to sleep on the bed, actually. And so they've determined that's where benefits happen. So you've got to be able to do that to the whole body. Well, you know, this was the big problem. that took three years to solve because when you lay your body on a sheet or a layer of undifferentiated

LEDs, what's going to happen is your torso that has a lot of mass to it is it's going to heat up the best. And, you know, whether it's going to make it to 104 degrees or not, that's questionable, mostly dependent by how far away you are from the light source. But no chance for the arms and legs. According to Google, the arms and legs are 58 to 68% of your total body mass. So way more than half of your body is never potentially going to hit that temperature range and hold it. And so my son again came up with this great idea of instead of putting a whole sheet of LEDs across the whole bed, surface of the bed, let's do 30 separate little modules, like little boxes. that hold, you know, like they say six, 700 LEDs in them.

And let's design a sensor that's able to discern the temperature of the skin and differentiate an arm or a wrist from, you know, my chest and my fat stomach or something like that, right? And then we're able to raise the temperature of the module where my arm is way hotter than where my chest is. So we get the temperature up to this. So it evenly does it. It's distributed.

Yeah. So you are legally actually giving people a full body treatment. Okay? And we patented that. Right now there's a whole legal scene happening in the full body LED industry. The Federal Trade Commission, and I brought you these documents so you would have them, the Federal Trade Commission put out a letter in April of 23 and said to the health and wellness industry a warning. And they said, you guys are duping the public with unsubstantial.

claims. And when they wrote the letter, there was already 670 companies that they had notified and penalized. And I don't know how many they've done since then. And they basically said, we're coming after you. So next thing that happens is the class action lawsuit firms saw that and went, oh, there's low hanging fruit. Let's attack some LED companies. We've got the government behind us. Who did they come after? Lightstem, of course. We're the biggest, right? And so it was, it was. was not fun and I spent a lot of money with attorneys but four weeks later they were begging me to be their consultant because we should just showed them all of our FDA clearances we showed them that everything we have is FDA cleared we showed them the clinical studies they were asking you what the link was to buy one yes well I have to tell you I mean it's like can I get a code the proof is in the pudding I so many of my clients have tried different devices different companies and have not seen any results whatsoever and I'll you know and I've said look I don't you know I can put you in touch with

Steve to talk the nuts and the bolt to but the science behind it but what I know is light stem is the only one that's FDA clear does that correct no well no there's only it's only bed that has illegal FDA clearance okay and what about the faith the handheld there's lots of other devices that have FDA clearance that the really and I'm not saying that they work better or worse I think that ours are better than anybody else is on the market and I don't think the professional industry would have accepted us to the degree that they've accepted us if they weren't. FDA clearance is more prevalent in smaller devices. Okay. If someone's listening, this has been called multiple times the fountain of youth, which is incredible. Give me the

fountain of youth all day long. What are other things that they can do for the body of the skin? We've talked about the face, Stacey, that can support the fountain of youth along with this. Oh, well, you know, I like using any of the, like, you know, I have Alastin, for instance, makes a nice tightening body lotion. I have a few different body lotions, different companies, and I will put those on my body in the morning. And I won't put anything on my body right before I lie on the bed, but I'll make sure it's nice and absorbed. But I think it's extremely important to keep all your skin hydrated. To me, I don't like to go on the bed. When I get out of the shower, I slather my body head to toe with body lotion, with different serums.

I have something I've always done. I dry brush and then I do all of my routine, but when I'm lying on that bed, I have already put a tightening body lotion on my body. So you do all of your tightening serums and body lotions before you lay on the bed. Well before I lie on the bed. And Stacey dry brushes

too. She loves the dry brush. The dry brush is a game changer. She loves this. It's a good confidential dry brush. And the spoon. I use it all. She uses everything. The fact that you take care of your body, the way you take care of your face, Your skin does not stop here. I mean, to me, a face, your facial products from the nipples to your hairline.

And if you're bald, keep going. I mean, that's your face. But don't forget about the rest of your body. You know, and the light stem bed just takes your whole well-being, good health and well-being to a different level. Honestly, it really has changed my life. I don't know if I would even be here. I was literally could not walk.

I mean, I could have ended up in the operating room and God knows what would have happened. Well, because your career is standing on your feet, too. It's so important. Plastic surgery, bent over a table for 18 years. I've been bent over over half my life. I know what you would never notice. I don't make a joke, but I won't because Ed's listening. I'm not going to make a joke about it, Ed.

Don't worry. So when, like, in what instances, I mean, it sounds like always, but in what instances, say, like you were talking about the football player was maybe going to have to have a surgery and then he started doing it. What other instances do you see? people being able to use something like this to maybe offset, you know, is it a surgery? Is it, is it a chronic illness? Is it high blood pressure? And I know you have to be careful with what you can say or not say. I would love to know what you've seen with cancers too. But how would somebody

think about incorporating this if they've been dealing with a chronic condition? I guess what I'm asking is like what else? So to answer your question first on cancer, so the oncology departments of most hospitals around the country have picked out a spa that they like and send all. their clients to that spa because their skin goes to health from the cancer. And they have that spa reach out to usually one of two companies in the U.S. that trains them on what they can and can't do with these clients that have cancer. At least two of the companies that I know have recommend Lightstem as part of their training, but they're not allowed to use LED while somebody is getting chemo.

they are allowed to use it other than that. And I haven't, and I can't really speak intelligently on clinical studies having to do with cancer and L.ED at all. I have no knowledge in the area. But other clinical studies, like I say, like it's, it's the nitric oxide, like the LED has been shown to be able to release trapped nitric oxide, which again reduces heart attack, strokes, increases blood flow to the brain, increases libido, in women makes men's erectile dysfunction drugs work two times as good. Don't use it too much.

I could use a break. He's going to be laying on it every night. I'm going to be like, again. Why does it make the erectile dysfunction medicine? Is you saying just the medicines or? So the thing that actually activates Viagra and Cialis is nitric oxide. The shitty thing is that the bad of all the guys. The shitty thing is, is that about the time a guy might benefit from.

from using Viagra or Cialis is also the time when he has the least available amount of nitric oxide in his body. Actually, between, I think it's between 50 and 60, 80 to 85 percent of the nitric oxide that we produce when we eat, you know, salads and walnuts and different things that create nitric oxide. It ends up being trapped in our cells and is not available to the body utilize at all. So you test the average 50 or 60 year old walking around down the street with a saliva test, a little strip of paper.

And he, like, I don't know, on a zero to five scale, he's like a zero or a one, always, always. And then, you know, nitric oxide, but can be increased anyway, and that's what these studies have shown. What about for hormones? Could this help regulate hormone balance or no? I haven't seen anything on that. But in general, LED puts the body in that condition where homeostasis, where everything's coming right. What are you, out of all three of the products, how Stacey would you use each one?

So like, let's pretend like there's someone who travels a lot. Let's pretend like there's someone who wants to just use it on the go. Like, what are all the different ways to use each one? If you're able to have the light stem bed, if you have that luxury of owning a lot, a light stem bed. It truly is a luxury item with unbelievable benefits for your entire family. To me, it's well worth the investment. If not, you know, I think everyone should have a handheld because the handheld can go with you anywhere. The pro panel, the pro panel is a device that's on wheels and I will use that pro panel, the pain panel, for instance. Say I have a patient having a

facial. I might have the ellipsa, which is a very nice device that's kind of a use shape that goes over the face and the neck. I'll have that on their face and neck. And if they have a bad knee or a bad ankle, I'll put the pain panel on them during their facial treatment. And it's fantastic. So, you know, you come in to see me. I mean, I have all the gadgets. But for home use, at least, at least the handheld, the ellipsa would be second. Third would be a pro panel. And if you can have that luxury bed, it's well worth the money. I have the ellipsa too, which is so amazing to lay in bed. And what I noticed is when I've turned it on, my kids flock to it, which is so crazy.

My dogs lay on the bed with me at night. Well, you put it on me after my facial. Your dogs jumped up on me, both of them. Yes. They did not do that the whole facial. They both were on top of me trying to get under it. Why is that? Courtney Cox did a video.

She hired a professional crew. to come out and video, like how when she does her treatments on our LED bed, her dogs jump on it and they're all over and they're like, both of mine do. Maybe it's that sense that animals have that it's something that's good for them. I don't know. My chihuahua jumps on. I turned it on the other day and he jumped on the bed. Who are other celebrities that you guys have seen using this?

I know Paris Hilton is a fan. Who are other ones? Phil Nicholson. Oh, that's cool. Yeah, Phil Mickelson. That's right. Matter of fact, that when he got his bed, that was when, his career turned around and he ran a couple of major.

Yeah, he was doing, yeah. You heard it here first. Yeah, no, it's just, it's an incredible bit. I think probably most celebrities have it. I mean, why wouldn't you? Yeah, we have a lot of, like, celebrity level pro athletes, too, but a lot of them, like we've signed NDAs with a lot of these people that. But a lot of celebrities have them.

Yeah. And Courtney Cox posted hers if you guys want to go watch, you can go see her whole thing. Yeah, she's really sweet. I mean, it's pretty cool. I got really serious. about my sleep in the last two years. So what I did was I got a state of the art mattress. I made sure my room was pitch black dark. I even got like a chimes machine. And then I got an aura ring. And what the aura ring has done for me is it's really upgraded my sleep, which is no surprise. It tracks a lot of

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One question that I have, this is maybe an ignorant, stupid question, is some people have asked me when they've seen my bed, they say, what is the difference? Maybe not a smart question, between this and a, tanning bed, meaning they both light up. Can you explain the different lights? So, so, yeah, so, or tanning bed that's been retrofitted with LEDs. How about that? Okay, because UV light is just terrible for the skin and cause of skin cancer. That's what a tanning bed does. But, but, but, but, but let's talk about the tanning beds that have had replaced with LEDs or panels that hang on a wall that you're working out with, you know, two, three feet away like you mentioned earlier, Michael. So,

there's a law firm called King and Spalding, headquartered in Washington, D.C., one of the largest firms in the country with 1,300 attorneys, has a really good, like over 25-year working relationship with the FDA and the FTC. So they just wrote a six or seven-page white paper slash opinion letter, and I brought you that too, so you would have this as backup. Basically, it explains how all. of these devices that I've just mentioned are operating under an exemption that the FDA

put out four years ago. And the FDA was being overrun with devices out of China trying to get FDA clearance. And so their reviewers were working on a bunch of LEDs, which are stuff which was low risk. Nobody's ever been hurt by an LED, that sort of thing. And instead of like on like high risk clinical studies where people were dying and things like that. And so he says, we need to like work this out so that so that we, you know, do something to alleviate this bottleneck I've got. And so they came up with this an exemption. And in the exemption, everybody thought that the exemption just said, hey, if you want to just

like put like one of these devices out on the market and you're not going to make like wild claims, like you can just go ahead and do it. You don't need FDA clearance. But that's not what the exemption actually said. What it's, what it's. said was that you could do that and you don't have to submit the paperwork to us and spend the millions of dollars in the years that it takes to get through FDA clearance on something like that. But you have to still do all those tests that any other company that actually got FDA clearance would do and keep it in a folder so that when the FDA or the FTC walks in your door, you can go, look, I've dotted my eyes, I'm doing everything legal.

Okay. But nobody actually read that part of it. And nobody also read the part that says there's two requirements that you have to meet in order to be exempt. One of the requirements is very easy. Everybody that's now breaking the law can fix this really fast and that's make no claim other beyond what a company that has an FDA cleared LED bed is making. And because it's very specific what we can make. Muscle and joint pain, arthritic pain and stiffness and increased blood circulation. But the second requirement was that they have the fundamentally same technology.

And if you had the fundamentally same technology, your engineering of your light, that would mean that you could probably, that's their FDA's kind of guarantee that you probably could pass all those tests for efficacy and safety and that they're not going to get to see because you don't have to submit the paperwork. but okay and but but the problem is is that the only technology that's ever been able to pass those tests is is our patented technology with the separate modules and the sensors we can't use that sort of thing and so so what this what this law firm is saying is that basically and I'm paraphrasing all these devices are illegally on the market right now and in violation of the food drug and cosmetic act and which is punishable by fines and up one to 10 years in prison. It's pretty strict. Ooh.

Rinkles. Rinkles. This episode, I think, has a lot to do about wrinkles. We're going to take a little tangent. We know that the light stimulation helps with wrinkles. What are other things that people at home, I would be crazy not to ask you this, having you on the podcast, can do to support wrinkles? What do you mean? With the light stem? No, everything. Skin.

Oh, my God. What are your tips? Well, for wrinkles, you definitely keep your skin clean and hydrated. Everyone needs to be using a holeronic acid on their skin and a moisturizer. Bare, bare minimum. Like my little go-to kit here has, you know, keep your skin clean. A cleanser, haleronic acid, moisturizer are the bare minimums and, of course, sunscreen. But I would not ever use sunscreen prior to using the light stem device.

So you can have clean skin with your serums on and then use your light stem device, followed by your sunscreen. Okay, so you want to use the light stem before you use sunscreen? Absolutely. Okay. And no makeup, nothing that's going to interfere with that light.

And you had come on our show before and the episode was, you guys got to go listen to Stacy on the episode. And what was so cool that you did that I thought was amazing is that you offered Skype sessions to anyone who wanted to do their own routine. Yeah, no, because a customer,

you know, skincare, isn't one size fits all. In my go-to kit, these are some bare minimums, an herbal cleanser, the halaronic acid moisture serum, holostrum serum, which you love, Lauren. Yes. And this body lotion, the Epicurean, orange blossom body lotion, I've been using, I slather my entire body with that every single time I get out of the shower. That's what you put on before the bed. Yeah, yeah, well, I might even use a little tightening serum. I mean, me, I will use some tightening serum on my arms, tightening serum on my legs, and then I put that all over my body. So what I think is, cool, though, is that if you guys do do a Skype with Stacy, she has these kits that she made for

everyone with everything that you need for problematic skin. She also sells the light stem wand. And the pro panel, and the bed, and the elipset. I sell everything, yes. Okay. So if you guys want to do a Skype session with her and you want to see what's the best for your skin and you even want to talk to her about which light stem you should get, that is an option. Yeah, because we can also treat acne. So the go-to kit is more of every day, whereas the clear and calming kit is for compromised skin. Maybe your skin, the barrier needs some repair. You have some blemishes going on. So we have the clarifying cleanser, anonigel, the propolis lotion, and the probiotic, which has colloidal silver in there.

Which is amazing for bacteria. Very good. Here's my thing, after listening to both of you, if you're not going to invest in your skin, in my opinion, you're not investing in your resume. You walk into a room and the first thing people see is your skin is your face. And to me, I look at it as I'm investing money into doing daily habits that make my skin the best. And if I'm listening, I'm definitely, I'm sure as hell getting on a Skype with you to go over what I need to be doing because so many people are on the wrong products. Oh my God. And just because I'm using colostrum serum every day doesn't mean you should be. And just because I have the best

bed, maybe you need the pro panel, like everyone to make because you're traveling. You just have to do, you sort of have to tailor what works for you. Exactly. It's all customized. It's all customized. And so what I think is so amazing about this episode is it's a two-pronged approach, right? You can do the consultation with Stacy. You can go over what should be, what you should be using for your skin. And then you can also figure out which light stem that you want to invest in. But I also think, like, the light stem is something that you can do every single day. It's, it's so easy to do it while you're watching television. There's no overdoing it. No. No. Hand held. She get an extension cord. My mom, she's 80, and she's never had any facial plastic surgery. And she has little

lines around her mouth. She literally holds that light stem. It's like a shower wand. We should have brought one. But it's like a shower wand. She holds it on her mouth until it beeps and she kind goes around her mouth. It has so softened her lines. Shockingly, you know, but she uses at least on Clean skin, moisture surge, and the colostrum serum, bare minimum. What are some mistakes that you think people are making with their skin when it comes to their skin that you both have seen? Not using sunscreen. Yeah, and a hat. Sunscreen alone isn't enough anymore.

You know, our ozone layer is shot. Everyone asks me about the hat that I wear all the time. If the hat is the specific hat, it's the, it has UPF 50. UPS 50, Eric Javitt's hats. Yeah, they're all on my website. Get the Navy. If you know, you know, go with the Navy white. It's so cute. And I think that everyone should definitely check out Lightsim. I was really passionate about bringing you on this show because I want to spread the word about this. And I know that you're giving us a discount, right? I'm going to use it. I have a big announcement. Yeah. So yes, yes, we are going to give it 10% discount on any products if you use the code that you'll supply. Code skinny.

Yeah, but we have one product that is not on the website now, and it will not get a discount, but it's pretty special, and I don't think they'll care about it. They don't get a discount on it. So our LED bed right now is $65,000. And if you're a professional, you get wholesale, but that's still in the $50,000 range, and you've got to prove that you're a professional that's going into a business to get that discount. Okay, let me ask you this, because everyone's going to ask, why is it so expensive?

Explain it. Because it's expensive. My thing is it's an investment in my health. I'm going to use it every day. I'm going to use it 65,000 times. It's a dollar a day. When professionals buy this, is it mostly like the business is financing it

or is the business is writing a full? They write checks. They finance it. We have financing for them. That's not a problem. So businesses buy this and then they use, and obviously they use it for their clients, they rent it out and that's what they do.

Yeah, it's a service that you provide for your patient. LED devices on the market, people are just that are making them. If they're not made in China, which most of them are, and they actually have some little backyard workshop or something that they're making them in here in the U.S., they're just buying them off the shelf. You know, they're just really cheap LEDs, and they're buying them off the shelf. We have, our LEDs are probably 50 different specifications that go into them, and they'll make like maybe five million of them, and then they collate those down to, you.

like 26 bins A through Z and the higher the letter, the more expensive the LED. And like, so we spend a lot of money is what I'm saying on our LEDs. That's number one. The FDA is really expensive to go through. And it's not just to one and done. You know, like we're inspected every single, every single year. They come in and they're in there, the FDA and then the ISO group that inspects us for like three to five days. They're in there looking at everything, making sure that we're all, everything that we told the LED and the FDA and that the FDA tested is all still the same.

We haven't replaced them with cheaper parts or anything like that. So it's just like that's why, but 65 grand for the only bed that has legal FDA clearance. When there's plenty of tanning beds with that have been converted to LED that really like, well, they fit into that whole category I was talking about that are. that are $60,000 to $120,000? So it's, there are, obviously, there's probably some people that listen to the show that are maybe, that could maybe afford that, but for people that can't, there's the handheld device,

or for people that want to try the bed, do you guys have a resource or a list on your site that shows which clinics or which spas have them in certain areas, or do they, how can people figure that if they can't buy the $65,000, when do they want to try the full bed? I'd have to call into the office because the, the, the,

That system that's being put on our website shortly won't discern who's got a bed or who's got a panel. It just put because there's like 40,000 of them. A lot of people come into my office just to use the bed. They don't come in for a facial treatment. They just come in to use the bed. Yeah, you can go to Stacey. She has the light stimulation in her office. There's lots of different ways to use it.

I have every device there is from light stuff. I think that for me, if I wanted to like gift this to people, the wand is a great gift for Christ's a great. How much is the wand? 249. Okay. So this is like a gift. You get this under the tree and you're like, fuck yeah. And it'll last, your grandparent, your grandchildren's grandchildren's grandchildren will

still be using it. They never break. So you have the one for wrinkles and the one for pain, right? So, I mean, it's, it's a no-brainer. And how much is the panel? The ellipse is about $2,500. The pro panel is $6,500. And then there's a $65,000.

Is the pro panel the thing that's on the bed? Yes, it is. It's attached to the bed, yeah. And you can also give it. Or comes in a rolling stand. I will say that the ellipsa, the one that you have, Stacey, that goes over you is during the facial. Really great one.

Yes. And then we also have the pro panel. I have a pro panel at home. Ed literally rolls that thing down the hall, goes into his office, kicks back, puts it over his face. He's like, why do you look so good? He uses that pro panel every single day. Okay.

But if somebody wants to jump in right away, they can try the hand-tail. And if they want to try the beds, they can either call to make a gift-off. We're going to give away. Okay. We are going to give away. I didn't even ask you this, Stacey. Can we give away one of these two? Of course. We're going to give away Stacey Christie's go-to kit and Stacey Christie's Clear and Calming Kit, which you can find on our website. We're going to give away a light stem ellipa. And in three different handles, acne, wrinkles, and pain. This is a huge giveaway. Okay, so what you guys have to do is you have to follow at LightStim on Instagram

and at Stacey Christie on Instagram to win. And then tell us your favorite takeaway of this episode on my latest post at Lauren Bostic. You can use Code Skinny on Stacey's website. Stacey Christie Skin and Lightstem.com. Code Skinny for 10% off. We'll link it out on the show notes. And if you guys want to know my favorite Stacey picks, you can go to my blog. She's all over my blog.

She's been all over my blog for the last 10 years. And then if you have any questions for me about the Light Stim, I've had the best experience, which is why I wanted you guys on here. Where can everyone contact you both if they have questions? Instagram at Stacey Christie Skin. Steve at LightStim.com. Make sure you follow at LightStim and at Stacey Christie Skin on Instagram. Thank you guys for coming on the show.

Thank you. Thank you for having us. I can't wait for you guys to come back after I've used it for like two years. and I look like Michael's 21-year-old girlfriend. Michael's going to be like, oh my gosh. To shop LightStim, just go to LightStim.com and check out that ellipsa. I'm telling you it's such a good one.