The Boyscast with Ryan Long - Aba Atlas On Men & Women, Aba And Preach Fame, And The Future Of Social Media

Episode Date: December 2, 2022

Kanye West, red pill guys, cancel culture & THE FUTURE OF TECHNOLOGY with ABA ATLAS! Aba Atlas is a comedian & cultural commentator, most known as the co-host of Aba N Preach SUPPORT THE SPONSORS AT: Boxofawesome.com - Promocode BOYSCAST - 20% Off Your First Box Ryanlongcomedy.com For Show Tickets & Patreon.com/theboyscast For Extra Weekly Episode! SUPPORT THE BOYSCAST: https://www.patreon.com/theboyscast Tour Dates: phoenix Dec 1-3 Plano Dec 8-10 Live boyscast - Toronto 15 Toronto - Dec - 16-17 Ryanlongcomedy.com http://ryanlongcomedy.com MERCH - ryanlongstore.com Ryan @ryanlongcomedy Danny @dannyjokes LEAVE US A FIVE STAR REVIEW! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The boys, the boys cast. The lads, the boys cast. The dudes, prepare yourselves for the boys cast. The bros, the boys cast. The homies, the boys cast. The dudes, they fear the lads, the lads cast. The boys cast. Okay, ABBA Atlas in the building

Yes Glad I could make it Long time This is Canadian excellence right here It is actually Canadian excellence I think you're our first Canadian guest No way You guys are both Canadian

How's that possible? Yeah, I'm kind of having trouble thinking JJ Lieberman doesn't count Yeah, JJ JJ Lieberman I haven't heard from him in years That's wild But all I remember of him is like gambling and degeneracy.

Yes, that's about, that's... Dude, you got to be, like, is there anyone that's bigger than you, really, in like the comedy sort of space? Like doing what, like the online videos? I don't know. Like, did you guys do like a 20,000 seater in Montreal or something? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was at the Bell Center, right?

No, no. So Preach did the Bell Center with Mike. But we did a big outdoor show, which was 20,000 in attendance. It was cool. It was really weird. It was like going from like middling at like comedy clubs and doing that to hosting our own show and like running it ourselves. It's our name and everything.

Like 20,000 people. It was like a wild jump. Damn, that's insane. And quick kind of too. Yeah. It felt quick. It was cool though because the show itself was outdoor. So there's no

you know like Insulated feeling so the closest thing I could think of was like a music concert. That's what it Everyone's standing and everyone's laughing you hear like the energy and it's like loud It's so different did people come from all over for that people came from all over the states and stuff. Yeah No, it's so funny to about just like how Canadian showbiz, too, is like you could probably call up a club, be like, hey, I did this thing, and they're like, don't care.

Don't care. Dude, I was, yeah. They don't care. They're like, I don't know, we can pitch you in a guest spot in six months from now if you want. You go. I have a little bit.

Hey, I sold 20,000 seats. They go, yeah, I don't care. Don't care. No, 100%, because I think of that sometimes with like the way with our stuff or whatever, but I was like, you specifically are just like, I bet you, yeah, you'd talk to a club and they'd have like no idea probably the extent to which you guys you're like i can sell your club about 20 times but they would ask

have you done a late show spot yeah it's like what what the fuck is that and a certain booker who we all know would be like hey is that you're gonna wear that you're gonna wear that oh you still worry about that I love Jason Lawrence I like this one is nobody Jason's a very pure person yeah he's just like he'll literally give you such a hard time for like this shirt you were like nobody gives a shit that old school that is very crazy old school do you ever said you like find do you still pay attention to canadian politics or being like are you still tapped into that at all i don't know not at all i don't think i ever was yeah i don't think i ever was i mean i feel like you just very boring it's mad boring you know

every once in a while there's like one thing like the truckers were apparently coming back and that might put them in the mix yeah yeah that was definitely a hype one you're close to there too yeah i don't i mean i used used to live in Ottawa for a long time. So when the trucker thing's happening, I got excited. I'm like, finally, my city is like on the map for something like interesting, you know? But yeah, I think Ottawa, Canadian politics in general is just kind of easy to tune out.

Everything's about respectability. There's no edginess to it, even though it is more important to us and we should pay more attention to it, I think. You're just getting gross in American politics because it's so like how do you not dude you talk to people in like australia that's like they're still just paying attention to american shit because it actually sets the tone like even think about how many of uh countries like even like the boston era or whatever it's like everyone's just like yeah it's like trump

like he's the still the standard of everything yeah yeah i mean i'm sure canada had it but like when they repealed Roe v. Wade, like Australia, they were marching for like my body, my choice. And you're like, it's couldn't be a country further away from you.

Like, I don't know, but they did. They just want it. They export their culture so well. Like you just can't help but take it. I know. I feel like one of the things that you do that I remember that is always like,

I feel like it always pops up again but which is such a good story that you uh early on like paid off your mom's mortgage oh yeah and it was kind of like a it was an early baller move before that was kind of like normal you know what i mean that was a weird one when that went viral i was like how this but uh that was before i was even doing anything on youtube so it was really weird my first two videos went viral and then i had a huge pause in between because I was like, this is really weird. So it wasn't even from money from the internet stuff? No, no.

I wasn't like, I did that like almost a decade. Because it really reads like you popped off in comedy. No, no, no. I did that. And then three years later, I started doing stand-up. So there was like literally no overlap whatsoever. That's so crazy. Because like your SEO, it's always attached to like this guy was popping off at 23 bought his mama crib

That money is money I made from the military when I got out I like saved a bunch of it and then I used it to pay off like a lot of her mortgage That's such it was just like straight up like normal job. Like yeah, I like kind of the original Steve will do it almost Yes, it's not because that's the original Steve will do it almost yes It's not because that's kind of Steve will do it to move as he'll but we're not with his mom But other strangers will be like, yeah, here's your mortgage. Yeah. Yeah with gambling money and game Yo, do you know how much those people get paid to do gambling streams? Oh, I mean Drake You can't imagine how much they get I'm you know, cuz you've been I know that I know the back end

It's millions. Oh first for sure. They get millions per stream. Wow. Yeah. So one guy, his name is Trainwreck. Shout out to him. He made like, I think, half, I think a quarter of a billion dollars. Is he the guy who does like steak? In like two, three years.

Steak and like all... He does a lot of the gambling sites on Twitch and stuff. He's like, he was huge. And so he was doing it for a long time. Even XQC. Like they were raking in like tens of millions a month from doing gamblers and then youtube was like this is done well youtube never really allowed it so they didn't do it he's on twitch for a long okay that's how they were going through with it and then there's ways you could do the streams on youtube without showing the links or stuff like

that so steve will do it would get around that way but they were making like people don't realize how much money there is on the back end depending i didn't know it was that kind of guy i know right i mean a quarter of a billion? You're talking LeBron James money. That's insane. Well, the steak stuff, you see Drake is always gambling on steak, and he'll be like, I just made... I watched one of his streams once, and he literally lost $25 million.

And then he... Drake? Drake, in a stream. And then he hit one bet where he made like $10 million. And of course, that's the only thing you see is you're like, Drake won $10 million in a bet. You're like, he's still down $15 million. He's not actually down.

I don't think that's real money. It's not real. So they give him tokens to gamble on stream so it looks real. And then when he wins, he gets a portion of that. But the real thing is they get paid on the back end for the stream to just do it. But the money that they're gambling at first is not real.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what I always thought. Same with like all the guys, yeah. Yeah, some of them do gamble their own money, but most of them, it's just like they're getting credits. And then everyone signs up because they're there.

Yeah, and then they're showing like, hey, I have- But do they give you a promo code or is it essentially- You get a promo code. So like let's say if you use Drake's promo code, you'll get like 500 bucks off the top to gamble. And then he's getting probably

something per promo code. Absolutely. And those are super unregulated gambling sites too they're not even like a lot of them are crypto too right they're all like these crypto and stuff so they probably are like he makes more money off a stream than he would do like doing a show in the city that's crazy think about it and think about the effort that goes into it i know that there's a i feel like a lot of stuff in being in entertainment now that like there's so many ways that's like, yeah, you'd make way more money if you just did this. And it's like you're like, yeah, I don't want to.

But when the differentials are getting so crazy, it's like you're getting pushed in so many different ways. It's rarely the main product that makes you the money. It's very, very like he doesn't make money off the records. He makes money going off tour, obviously, or merchandising if he's really into it. Brand deals. You know what i mean like i see a lot of artists now doing like music artists doing brand deals with like adidas and stuff like that that's a huge check for doing one or two commercials and having your brand associated so yeah that's what the money little i think a little yacht he was talking about that yeah he because yeah he had like 20 different ones or something like that yeah yeah that's where you get the real money that's why you see

nba athletes like oh eat a fuck, eat a Subway because I know I do during training. There's no way you're eating Subway for training. It's one of those things that's always weird and everyone thinks it's corny until one guy does it and you're like, I guess people can do that now. One huge guy, one comedian has

to be doing his arena tours with his poker shirt on and you're like, oh, we wear shirts on our tours now? Absolutely. Well, especially when people start finding out how much money that guy got and they go, oh. It's more like they just didn't realize. You go, oh, yeah, yeah, for that kind of money.

Hell yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The comics you think made the most money are not the ones who made the most money. The ones who made the most money are oftentimes people selling out arenas to niche audiences or folks who are doing privates for high-earning people. you're going to dubai and you're doing stuff for the royal family it's like you're getting paid millions to do one russell peters yeah like man eight like you say

whatever you want about him as a comedian whatever i like yeah some people hate him some people love him excellent at the end of the day those are the guys making but you wouldn't think that unless you know like what's going on Behind the scenes Yeah Yeah for sure Owning I always said Owning a demographic Is always the best for anything

Like with comedians Where you If you're the Italian guy Or the Latino guy And you go Wherever you play It's like they put Like a horn goes out

And every Latino Just comes out Of course You know From 300 miles In every direction Well it's like Gabriel Iglesias

He sold out dodger stadium it's so nuts yeah but yeah on paper you wouldn't think you think he's bigger than you know name 20 people for sure yeah but he's he's big time yeah do you think so i was just in um i was just in like portland and it was one of those things it kind of is reminded me of kanda a little bit because it's almost like portland has the reputation of you know you're getting scolded everywhere you look you know what i mean and it was kind of really i felt it was more the thing where everyone looks like a hiker yeah everyone is northwest yeah everyone same as vancouver but it was less i felt like less like you know girl with like a short hair that looks like she's

gonna yell at you and more of someone that's want to tell you what good trails are out there yeah like they're gonna have the toes in their shoes you know what i mean i think that might be the same person just different disguise well i think so and it was very nice and it kind of made me think it can do because you go i think what made people a scoldy thing is the nicest people are the most you know susceptible to every you know becoming part of like a mob right you know what do you think that I think when it comes to that kind of mentality when you go to those cities not adopting it is just like almost social suicide that's true you know you can't afford to

be like I support Trump while living in Portland like yeah a bunch of your friends would be like fuck you cunt you love a racist like there was even that video that girl who like pretty much shat on her dead dad because he was like into Trump oh I saw that that's so crazy her dad like at his funeral yeah yeah billionaire dude like was in her life and she's like you're just like xenophobic racist trump loving white man and i don't miss you i was like that's crazy to do that as like the eulogy at the funeral you're like wow also she got probably paid out too yeah is that million yeah yeah she didn't say no to his money that's for sure yeah he's a billionaire that's money that would be one of the like toughest things right now is like to be like a white dad with a daughter that was just like constantly hating on you i

always think of even the idea of it'd be like hey can you make your room she's like you're not my fucking she was adopted too right like she was i think she was black she's yeah she was adopted maybe she was adopted or mixed i think oh yeah i thought i thought i read that she was adopted but like nobody said he was like a bad she just was didn't like his politics yeah which wasn't accusing of being a bad father but the the funeral at the funeral is that's that's one of those things where you're like i'm doing this to go viral to some degree though, right? I don't think so. I think some people really feel like that kind of righteous indignation. They feel like they're doing the right thing.

So like the person who recorded it was like some random person on a cell phone. Oh, it wasn't even her. No, it wasn't even her. It didn't look a little too polished. No, it wasn't.

Like you could see she's kind of blurry in the shit too. It's like, okay, that's wild. That is, yeah, you're right though. That,

that is like, pick your spots. God damn. Yeah yeah the mom would be one of those things too you're there being like can you just want is it can we make it through one or it's like one of those families like the no boundary families where she's like everybody just deals with their grief the same way just let her just do it oh it's okay it's fine don't want to put too many restrictions on her she's a free spirit yeah that's a tough buzz but no i thought that uh when i was there the one interesting thing is every person has a tesla i

think i took like 20 ubers or whatever it was over the course of the weekend i think i took two that weren't teslas yeah and so elon musk was you know obviously you know all this stuff but he was like because recently getting in a fight with Apple, and he was like, maybe I'll make an iPhone. And it's like, you said that Tesla was like the iPhone of cars. Well, I mean, they're the only one that has software like that that updates regularly and shit. I don't know about this.

Yeah, I don't know about the Twitter phone, though. So do you think he's crushing it? Tesla phone. I think socially he is. And I think, like, people are looking at the business model, and they're like, oh, he's crashing the phone i think socially he is and i think like people are looking at the business model and they're like oh he's just gonna lose money on this but i think he sees as an interesting investment in terms of like social fabric like he has so much control and it seems like viewership or like people are flocking to twitter

to like pay attention to what's going on so i mean i am on twitter now i i prefer it a lot of times to just like stuff on TV. Yeah. Like it's so entertaining. Dude, I was kind of thinking because, you know, he's like tweeting nonstop. Yeah. And you're kind of like, obviously, the reason he's tweeting nonstop is because every tweet probably brings more people in because there's a new story. And it was like, it'd be interesting to be like, hey, how much money did each Elon Musk

tweet make that company? If he goes, if you literally come up, you go every time this, I tweet Twitter is kind of worth another like a hundred grand in terms of every magazine just wrote, this is how much new users you get. And you actually correlate it. I think he's like,

how does he not, how does this whole business model? Yeah. Obviously this is like a decreasing ROI. Yeah. I think every tweet is more plugging like a hole versus like adding money, you know? You don't think so? Well, they're losing tons of money, I'm sure.

All the advertisers are like legitimately leaving. There is like a thing where you watch it, like Apple's like we're not advertising or we're pausing and all these huge companies, like half of the, I think half of the major companies that were advertising on Twitter are like have taken a break.

And like his Twitter blue thing brings in a million dollars a month or something, I don't know, like nothing. Are you positive on Twitter's better? You don't really tweet like crazy anyway. I don't touch Twitter. So that's why, yeah, you don't really. For me, like it makes no difference,

but I'm curious to see what it's gonna look like a few months from now. I feel like right now it's in this weird nebulous area and that's gonna be confusing, but you know, I think if there's enough viewership and there's enough traction, companies just wanna make money yeah once this blows over they'll be like oh i can advertise all this it's not an issue and they'll come of course and i mean they want to make money they don't care yeah for sure did you uh what do you think happened with the balenciaga

thing because i actually don't know that story i've heard about the people oh really yeah what happened something about kim k is bad yeah they had an ad campaign that you know it's like essentially like kids in bondage gear no it wasn't kids in bondage gear kids with ball gags in their mouth naked no it was just it was kind of wild they were selling these stuffed plush bears that uh the stuffed plush bears were in bondage gear and then but they're like these little bears but they're for i guess you wouldn't say they're for kids because they're probably five grand or something a piece knowing balenciaga and then uh there was like a kid holding them like a little kid and then the set decoration was this um it was this court case or whatever it was called like united states versus williams i think and it was

upholding the child pornography laws this thing and it was like obviously placed there on purpose like this was not an accident like those are kids holding these right yeah so crazy yeah that's kids holding these plush bears but so there's a document if you see there's like a manila or like a file folder thing or whatever yeah and there's a document peeking out of it and that document is like the supreme court upholding child pornography laws that they just like a little Easter egg that they put in there and then Balenciaga sue in the photographer yeah they're saying like they're passing the buck on everybody's passing the buck right now Balenciaga liked on they privated all their social

media but it's like hard to believe that it's a conspiracy so that's why it seems like it's what I was like in the idea that at the Balenciaga headquarters it's kind of like everyone's in the meeting it's like everyone okay i was thinking you know maybe we do a shoot with like older people and there's like maybe like an athletic thing and the one guy with like the mustache being like kids it's just like there's just one creep in the valencia but he you know his dad kind of works there so they can't fire him fire can we do kids this time? Can we do kids? I mean, yeah, I don't know.

They're risque. I'm sure that's how they brand themselves. You see it as like it was an Agilard thing. No, no, no. I see it as there's just some people are so detached. If you're someone who I think is a designer for Balenciaga, you're probably pretty detached from the regular world. You're dressing in latex as like a normal thing.

I will say I dated a girl who was, you know, like a fashion designer and that was her whole world. And it was, that was correct. She didn't know, you know, like I bet you she would know who the prime minister was, but she wouldn't know

who the person who ran against them, for example. I don't know if you, yeah. But like, so they are detached from that extent and they probably are like yeah it's like an edgy thing but they're probably like what's the problem like no children are getting harmed and they probably don't you think it is yeah they're like nobody's actually getting harmed and they probably don't know this whole like underlying debate about all like the grooming stuff because they're probably like not on twitter and they just like don't know it's just weird seeing like i don't even. It's just weird seeing,

like I don't even know about the rest of stuff, but just seeing a kid with like a bear and fishnets and like weird makeup. Like that's already like too far from me. Yeah. I would have a bear

for my kid with a thong on. You know what I mean? Like this is weird. And that's the thing. I don't even get who that's, like I don't even know if those are for kids. Like those might be like

teddy bears for adults. Sure. There's also, it's kind of like the Ali G where the funnier part is the parents that bring their kids for that acting job. You know what I mean? Right. Do you remember in, I think it was Bruno?

Bruno, yeah, yeah. Where they have the kid and they're like, your baby's going to have to lose 10 pounds and all this stuff. And they're like, yeah, we could do that. I think in these worlds, like things that are for kids, like things that are for adults they're like, yeah, we could do that. I think in these worlds, things that are for kids, things that are for adults

are not for, they make up for kids. Really? Slowly, but yeah, yeah, yeah. And so the stuff that would normally, it's like you're seeing these pageant shows

and what these girls are wearing. When they're wearing those stuff, they're wearing what adults wear. Yeah. That's why it's disgusting. Child pageant stuff. Yeah. So that's the kind of world

that you're looking at. So for them, they probably looked at that stuff. And with big companies like that, they don't go through every... Not everyone sees everything. They got one department that does this. You do the shoot, whatever. It passes through.

One checks and balances, and then it goes out to the public. Oh, for sure. And so somebody fucked up royally there, but it's not surprising. That's what they're... And that was the right person that no one could question. Yeah. Well, Balenciaga's saying they hired this firm or whatever like this company to do this shoot and so they're suing them for 25 million dollars because they're

like we just hired them to do this campaign which is probably pretty normal they probably outsource all these campaigns to all these different companies and they just were like here's the weird sex trafficking one we made sorry i thought this would hit child porn that's weird yeah but the guy who's like a girl who's printing out they're like I thought this would hit. Child porn. That's weird. Yeah, but the guy who's like, or girl who's printing out, they're like looking up this case,

like the United States versus about child pornography laws. And they're like, they printed multiple copies of this, you know, to like set design. And like, no, that shit's wild. I couldn't even look at it. I pulled up the picture and like you know

when you look at a picture and it's so like you have to like lean back just to make sure you're not too close like that's how weird it was like like that's like if we get that off my phone that's that was that was weird yeah that fashion world's always been full of freaky ass though yeah i mean that's the thing they're trying to freak they're probably like yeah we're trying to freak everybody out you know yeah it's got to be daring it has to be i mean on adults it's one thing like when you see somebody on a fashion shoot and like they're wearing a trash bag you're like okay whatever they're being artsy farts yeah when you see kids doing it that's when it gets weird i always say like our parents are there like the parents are behind that camera yeah like 10

feet away watching them that's weird he's like how much can the kid really consent to this kind of can't they cannot at all legally now the pit that yeah the kid didn't say to the mom like hey there's this audition i'd really like to go out for or like the kid was like hey i have an idea for the set and they have like i brought some child pornography documents that's that's crazy do you think because i like i don't know if you i'm sure you did but like uh you've seen kanye west uh doing a bit of a press tour recently yeah yeah it's a while right yeah and last night he was like i went on tim pool show and then he walked he was on tim pool show yeah with nick fuentes and milo so he went on he went on the show and then like uh he like he was started talking

about this jewish stuff and then he like walked off and then kind of stormed out or whatever. He stormed out 20 minutes later. Why? Because Tim pushed back? Yeah. Yeah. Good. Because the whole thing was Kanye's saying, you know, they.

And then he's like, I don't want to say who they is. And then Tim Pool's like, what, the corporate media? He goes, what, the corporate media? And then he goes, no. And he goes, who? And thenye was like i'm not talking like basically like i don't want to talk about this again and then unless you'll admit like who they is yeah like say who they is and tim's like well and then they just stormed

off and they all just left it's corny yo do you feel like it's one of the craziest things in the world that you kind of you know you're in this like kind of streamer world like you know there's you know i'm just you've been on streams with some of these people and it's like just the amount of like weird worlds that are colliding feels like more than i've ever seen well you guys know in entertainment like there's one degree of separation between you and most people yeah like one person you know knows the person that you don't know right yeah and so it's in toronto there's a one degree of uh separation from everyone and Drake, allegedly. Yeah, it doesn't feel that way.

I mean, it's true. I know multiple people who know him. We all do. Yeah. And so I feel that way about most celebrities in life. So it's not totally surprising because the politics do align. It's weird to watch it happen on CNN or something like that. But it's cringy because Kanye's political opinions

are generally pretty nonsensical. And so these people who claim they want to be serious politically are just attaching to him for clout that's great for them like who's talking about milo until like of course yo if you're him you're like this is the sickest thing ever probably yeah and it's fantastic was like not allowed on anything basically and then now he's on a private jet with kanye west it's crazy right like going and doing all these like press well listen when someone backs up all the crazy shit that you say like yeah you go you're gonna bring them everywhere so i can see that like yeah they're just his yes man right now sure well do you think that like you know things kind of you know move fast and

then something changes and i think that like with the almost buying twitter it felt like something changed a little bit really like like socially that everything kind of spiked from there well i don't think that's the catalyst but to me i was thinking it with andrew tate like um let's say him getting taken off and then you know kanye kind of being you know taken out of public discourse and then you know elon musk kind of becoming somewhat a persona non grata. And it was almost, you know, Steve will do it. It's almost, I think of it like with a girl,

if imagine, let's say call her daddy got kicked off. It's like, okay, maybe they just stopped listening to call her daddy. Then Oprah's gone. Then Beyonce's gone. Like imagine there is an amount where people are like, okay,

the whole game just changed. You know what I mean? Yeah. And it felt like maybe the last like month feels like the crack that it actually, you know, people actually do go to Rumble. And it's not just the platforms like that. It just feels like there's been like a crack in the amount that there is just one thing

that people are supposed to think or something. Yeah. I don't know if it's going to drive that many people to Rumble. Maybe that's the wrong example that who knows what the platform is, but maybe. Yeah, I don't know what it's going to be. i think even kanye in his recent moves i don't feel like he's garnered that much more new support if anything i think he's lost a bunch no he's losing

it yeah always i mean he's hanging out like you know he's uh this one of the biggest hip-hop stars in the world and he's like hanging out with a guy who thinks races shouldn't mix yeah you're like yeah how's that gonna go over for the for you and your kids for you and your kids and you're like your general fan base who doesn't know any of this like fringe politics stuff i guarantee if he runs live shows now it's going to be way less people attending and so it's like well that's for sure it's different though because like if i think elon i feel like elon's support has been bolstered if i look at someone like dave and you think he's more popular absolutely if i look at someone like dave and like when he was going through his stuff with netflix i feel like his support went through

the roof it did you know whereas i think with this situation in particular, I don't feel like people are like crazy behind him. I think he's just attracted a different crowd, but I don't think it's grown. And so that's an interesting thing that's a bit different about this. One, I think probably interesting part to add to it is like the difference is that those guys didn't get kicked off of anything. True. So it's like, obviously, if you're going to get kicked off of platforms, you're going to lose if you're gonna get kicked off of platforms you're

gonna lose something it's just a matter of how much i wonder though because i think if you were to kick dave off netflix and he ran his own special i think it would have sold like oh yeah he would have been like i think it would have sold like i think i think the public can feel the difference between like different forms of cancellation or like different stuff yeah so yeah like tate i feel like his support went down substantially, even though he's popular. Yeah, it's also hard to say because I'm sure I know he says stuff like that, but there's also a part where you're just like, well, no matter what, it was going to go down a little from there.

True, true. Yeah, yeah, because you're just not sustainable. He was everywhere before. Now he's just like the last. That can't go on forever, period. He's done a great pivot, though. He's done a great job pivoting. With the whole Muslim stuff.

I'm like, that's crazy. He's doing a master class. Muslim stuff i'm like i'm like that's great muslim stuff i didn't know he turned he became muslim oh he's oh i didn't know that yeah well that's i actually said that in this i did a sketch about him last week and i uh about jordan peter saying if jordan peterson was listening to him but one of the things was jordan peterson being like maybe let's just go muslim they can't attack that yeah yeah no that was a crazy pivot like it's been interesting to see how he was like rehabilitate himself and like garner a lot of the support that he kind of lost so that was interesting but i think with kanye um i feel like his situation's like very peculiar i don't feel like black people with him i don't feel like most other folks are with him i think it's just like really anti-establishment people yeah with a very extreme you don't think

that um there i mean i think there's obviously there's a certain type of black guy that's you know pretty down with that message but like like i used to always say that the you know like the super black power stuff and certain white power stuff it always just ends up with jews yeah yeah it does i think they don't care about the jews stuff but when he was like saying like george floyd no they didn't like that no they didn't like that and i thinkye's already been on the bend on the outward uh you know being ushered out the door so like once you said that stuff it kind of wrapped it up for him i think if you hadn't said that and just said the jewish stuff i don't think most

people would have cared in the black community it's interesting watching kanye's progress i i feel like it's just gonna go downhill from here yeah me too that's what i honestly think too watching him last night too i was just like i part of me just feels like the guy just really wants his old life back like he just wants his family and shit and this is like he's just trying to figure it like I don't know he's on this like self destructive spiral where he's just like

he probably just like wants his life back from two years ago and it's like for sure he's never getting it back and he's just I don't know I mean I've seen a million people in my life do the exact same thing but yeah like comedians that's just even on like a tiny scale in like a open mic scene you can. I mean, I've seen a million people in my life do the exact same thing, but yeah. Like, comedians, like, that's just, even on, like, a tiny scale, in, like, an open mic scene,

you could even, I mean, I can, without, there's probably public people that I know, too, but just someone that, you know, one thing happens, then they get kicked out of here, then they get in a fight here,

then they get kicked out of the bar, then you get, fucking, fight with your parents, like, it's just, and then within six months, then you fucking go break up with your girlfriend, then, you know,

within six months, like, everything was, you know, but that's not, and then within six months, then you fucking go break up with your girlfriend. Then, you know, within six months, like everything was, you know, but that's not on a personal level. It's not irredeemable on like a public level. It's like haunts you forever. Yeah. That's a hard thing to come back from. I wonder when I see guys like Milo and stuff who like support Trump,

but then they're rolling with Kanye, like that dinner fucked up Trump big time. Oh, big time. Yeah. That dinner that he did with Nick, like all the news are hammering him about the jews and stuff like that and he has a immediately yeah it's interesting and he was on bad footing even before that in terms of getting re-elected like it wasn't like oh he's a slam dunk yeah like everybody was like yeah he's not doesn't have the sauce not looking the same and then just add this to that mix you're like yeah he had no idea that dinner was gonna fuck him up like that that was wild niggas radio acting yo

he apologized he apologized trump probably walked that dinner on true social like five different he's in there a different apology different he didn't even apologize though he was just being like i didn't know who these guys were i was trying to help a black man who was going through mental problems and then a different one was like i don't know who these other guys just showed up with two other a black man who was going through mental problems. And then a different one was like, I don't know who these other guys are. He just showed up with two other people and I told him like, you should run. And it was interesting. He never apologized for it though.

He doesn't want to. Yeah. And then I guess he talked shit about Kim Kardashian. There is something to be said about like, yeah, apology is not going to be his brand, obviously. But like, yeah, if I was meeting with Kanye West and you weren't like crazy tapped into like the last week and he was like Kanye West boys coming through too, it's probably not who you'd expect.

Can you imagine what are the conversations that Kanye's having with Nick? Be like, so the Jews, like how, how crazy and private are like the Jews comments. They gotta be insane. They must be. I mean, Nick, I can only imagine is probably for him this is like so sick yeah he's probably i can't believe what's

oh yeah for him it's like went from irrelevancy and being deplatformed everywhere to be with one of the great like biggest hip-hop artists of all time and still arguably is one of the most influential right so yeah for sure that's wild i mean kind of he's working on that but dude i i honestly it's a big w for them yeah like watch this stuff it's like one of the first times that i'll see things and i'm like i don't even necessarily like have like a take on this other than like what the fuck yeah absolutely yo the this that's why i mean where i was like it feels like there's something that's changed where it's like the most things like could have been predicted where it's like this one no like if you asked me three years ago of the things like this is the most where you're just like yo this feels like someone's

like fucking around with the world and just like yeah weird shit's happening or something i would never have predicted i think kai day probably would think the same uh yeah sure i don't know like i mean the fact he's trying to run for president you're like dude he did it last time it was nonsense yeah it's nonsense and they were even saying on tim pool last night they were like yeah they were the way they were talking about it in the kitchen before the show they're like sounds like he's really gonna do it and he's like well i mean if he's trying to waste the rest of all of his money go for it like nobody's you're not gonna get elected oh because it's yeah it's just expensive to cost half a billion dollars to run for president or something like he's not and he's not a party so he doesn't get the party money

that the party provides you it's just his personal money like ross perot or something there's no way they're gonna fundraise so these two are just like running it they're trying to milk it as much as possible and then they'll probably move on like there's no way they're gonna stick by him beyond that well it'll be loosely associated but yeah i don't think it's gonna do much for milo to be honest with you but i think for nick is gonna do a lot of good for him yeah totally if it are in the end like this platform whatever crap if it hasn't already cozy tv cozy yeah kanye might have be doing some did he show up on one of his streams it was funny who did i think he showed up on one of his streams kanye did oh really i did not see that yo yo kanye's on dude that's a rock bottom for kan. You were like, you just had four shows at SoFi Stadium canceled,

and now you're showing up on cozy TV streams? Yeah. I mean, it's a weird thing. Dude, I mean, I'll tell you what. Like, we might be able to get him on the boys' cast. Honestly. I mean, again, we are one degree of separation away from him now because he's hanging out with Sneaker.

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Like I don't think they're talking about any of that stuff. Yeah, I don't think there's a red pill to those dudes. But yeah, I get what you're saying. Yeah. But it's like my point was, which ones do you think are good? Because I think a lot of them, I mean, maybe I'll phrase this better.

When I was, I watched the conversation with like you and Gideon and Sneeko and Destiny, right? Right destiny right right and there was like a you guys were all arguing and to some degree it felt to me where it was like some of the things that i feel like they're wrong about it was just like young people yeah like a lot of the stuff that i thought it felt like young people and you i probably i was more like yeah we're probably the same age or whatever yeah but i probably thought a lot of the things they're saying when I was that age or whatever. Probably, yeah.

And it's kind of interesting because one of the things that I feel like I screw up with when I'm talking to people like that, because I don't know if you were this type of guy. There's certain things where people can tell you, but you have to actually do it yourself. Go through it. You know what I mean? Sure. So it's kind of like a tough one. Who do you think is a good even like i always say like andrew tate like if

even if you don't like him like some 20 year olds need like a guy like that to shock them a bit probably like i don't know you know you were in like the army like there's probably like some degree of that right yeah so i don't know what's yeah i think when it comes to that world i just think men men lack guidance and so anybody that tells them to take accountability for their life or to take responsibility to make the change that they have the powers, like it's a very appealing message. The other day, like most of us want to hear that.

Yeah, of course. You're a powerless young man. You don't make money. Like you want to hear like, I can fucking do this and I'm the boss if I do. Right. So it's completely understandable.

I don't have a problem with that message per se. I think it becomes in the finer details that it comes a little bit goofy. Well, they start packaging it, right? Yeah. They start adding, they go like, well, well i can't this can't be my main message yeah it's too bare bones then they start adding on all this other stuff or it's like yeah man just

keep going you're gonna have multiple wives one day it's like no you're not you're not gonna have multiple to me that's a perfect example of like young person advice because you know they're multiple x-wise yeah you're gonna have multiple women just sitting around like a harem i'm like bro this is a pipe dream that's not happening you don't it's a nightmare i would not even want that yeah but when i was like 25 you think you would do and then and then because you're like i don't want to do it like that and then finally realize probably that like most people just kind of have a wife yeah and i guess their idea is like well that was wrong but i don't know yeah that's why they're muslim now because they heard that like that comes with the starter pack right yeah yeah three wives and they're traditional

and they're all down with like orgies and stuff yeah that's very traditional so this is some of the stuff i don't mind the self-improvement stuff because i think i don't even think we even talk about that it's more so the finer details where they start talking about other stuff like that sounds goofy yeah it. It also- That's why we don't cover Jordan Peterson. Like, if you see Jordan Peterson saying stuff like, clean your room, like, no one's going to be like, pfft, what a fucking loser.

Like, no, we don't care. It makes sense, right? I mean, it is funny, though, that there is a corner of, like, Twitter, and they're going like, look at this idiot telling people to clean their rooms. Yeah, yeah. It was, like, spicy, yeah, just to tell you to get your life together a little bit. Yeah, I think people just didn't understand why that advice was so popular but i think people don't understand like a lot of young dudes don't know what to do with their life so yeah yeah there's there's a there's a place for

it and i don't think that we have an issue with that so yeah no i'm cool with that what do you think is the biggest thing that they you know the young guys would have to do better like together life together like what's the what is the i think i think you guys could speak to this but i think just taking responsibility for stuff and then like, yeah, I think taking on responsibilities is a big one. Like when you start paying rent, when you start working a job, when you start taking care of stuff,

when you start up your own standup or you're writing weekly for standup comedy and you're going to shows, once you start assuming those responsibilities, you come a little bit more comfortable with yourself over time. Yeah. And so this is what it comes down to.

I think they got to understand they have to go through that struggle of like taking on responsibilities, just fun it's not about going to cabo because you made a bunch of crypto money and a bunch of like that's the fun for a weekend but that's not the stuff that makes you feel comfortable with yourself yeah yeah so yeah yeah there's probably probably one of the things that even like in every job where it's like it's that one it's like taking the one thing and making it way bigger. Like,

you know, every dude to some degree, at least most probably does need to, to some degree, figure out how to get chicks. Like, you know what I mean? And to deal with women and whatever,

like, you know what I mean? Have like a confidence and a version of yourself that knows how to, you know, all that sort of stuff. Talk to a woman. But then it's like, once you've kind of figured that out,

it's like, you know, it's like, you're not going to just think about that forever. You're it's like you're not gonna just think about that forever you're kind of like hey now improve the next part you know what i mean i wonder though because i know so many dudes now who like their first girl is their last girl like this it seems like it's so much more common than i remember it being and a lot of people a lot of my friends from back home like i have many friends like that who are but don't you think some of those guys probably have like more problems they might have been better if they actually kind of i wonder i wonder because

the guys who are like out there i feel like they're the ones who look like the most dysfunctional to me yeah i think my life was very dysfunctional with women like was i good at talking to chicks again yeah absolutely doesn't mean i had the best relationships all the time and i'm pretty sure you can speak to that too like you probably had some fucked up relationships too yeah you know what i but i would say that probably a good way to describe the difference is you just say like what are you optimizing for and at that time i wasn't optim like i did always i was always doing good at something yeah it's just yeah that was a mess but that was so like i i didn't care about winning at that game at that time

Think about the dudes were like the best with women like most of them have like dysfunctional family lives Dysfunctional relationships are marriages the worst game to play because the prize is you just keep playing. Yeah It's a pinball machine that like you never know I don't think that translates like relationship skills I really don't think it does that well and so the things that make you good at like getting girls It's not the things that make you good at like having a functional you can keep the girl if you know how to do it but doesn't mean it makes it a good relationship but it also and it also doesn't benefit you in another way because when you're in if you're in

college and you're the guy that gets girls that benefits everything like you know what i mean you're it's socially it benefits you you know maybe if you can bring hot chicks you probably get into every place you like whatever it is but if you take away the I think as you get older the other benefits now you're just a guy meeting up with a different chick every night

like there's no benefit to being like 40 years old and just having a different chick every night other than you just have to actually like the act of the

the kill yeah and there's no other part attached to it yeah and then you just get caught up in that whole thing yeah thinking you're gonna be like

Dan Bilzerian one day. He's getting married too. Is he? Yeah, he got married. He got married a couple weeks back. He's done with it. You can't maintain it. He's clocked out.

That must have been a sad day for a lot of dudes. They were just watching him. He got a hot wife. He good. He's like, I'm done with this shit. It makes sense because you can only do it for so long before the high is just dead. Yeah. And then the energy, the time you put in, you just want to be alone after you're busted you know i'm saying yeah it's just

like i don't want to see this girl again and he's like you know the time you spent wasting like i remember one time i had this whole week i just spent that time talking so many girls like bro this was the most unproductive week of my fucking life there's never been a time where i've like slept with a lot of women and thought like wow uh-huh time well spent. I've never thought that was time well spent. Ever. And if you guys differ, never from me. Doesn't matter how hot the girl was. I would say it's time well spent

if I was there with my buddy and there was two girls. Do you know what I mean? I don't even mean the sex thing. Is that the memory of having your friend there? Yeah, I was hanging out with my buddy. Okay. Have fun social time.

Well, because if you're creating like, hanging out with one girl, that's only you that's only your memory okay i can see that so it's like at that point if it's like you and your buddies are hanging out with some chicks sure that's like a bonding thing with your boys sure sure i could see that to me a lot yeah i know you mean that with the just just crazy on chicks for yeah you don't you don't feel like you're accomplishing no dude i remember yeah i remember having you having periods feel like you're accomplishing it. No. Dude, I remember, yeah, I remember you having periods where, like, you're just like, all right, this has to stop. It was like a job.

I was like, yeah, I have this part-time. You're your own secretary. Yeah, I'm like, I have this part-time job where I'm just dealing with getting chicks and you're talking and it's just like, yeah, it stinks. Yeah, it's a headache to think about. I don't know. You do this podcast or you do this work stuff. You go on tour.

You feel, like, much more rewarded by doing that stuff than you do with these stuff. Like, I'm just wasting a lot of my time. You do this podcast or you do this work stuff. You go on tour. You feel much more rewarded by doing that stuff than you do with these stuff. I'm like, I'm just wasting a lot of my time. You know what I'm saying? It's hard because it's addictive. So that's why I was saying when I look at those dudes

who got in those relationships early, part of me seems more stable, seems more functional towards having a long-term career. You know what I mean? And as you get older in life, having that support system behind you, it seems a lot better

than whatever I got, which is just like... Yeah. You know what I mean? And I'm lucky. than whatever I got, which is just like, yeah. And I mean, and I'm lucky, like no ACDs, no, no fucking kids,

no nothing. So like, I'm fortunate. A lot of dudes didn't get that luck. That wasn't free, that lifestyle. Yeah, I mean,

they have to pay a price to do all that. So like, not only does it not benefit you long-term, but it's like, the risks are pretty high. Cause I know some dudes who have kids with people, they wish they didn't have kids with them. Woo.

That's a doozy. I have a friend like that who has he had a kid with this chick and he's like ruined my life basically like he's i know what you're talking about yeah no straight up he's just like yeah i knocked up this girl and you know he's in his 30s so you get like to that whole thing where you're like well you know women in 30s don't really have abortions like they have kids you know like just like what you do and he's like oh i don't really like her that much but she's like oh i'm having the kid she's like i guess i'll go along with this and then two years later they're like estranged and fucking he's like

hates her guts and they hate each other and lives four hours away and like yeah nightmare brutal that's fucking brutal so yeah i mean which which life path would you choose i don't part of me probably was like i probably choose the other one. Yeah. There is a... I guess there is some degree, sorry to cut you off, but of doing both though. Like, I guess if you get to the end and you'd be like, I was able to do both. It's so easy to say.

Yeah. Because that's the thing. It's very easy to say that. It's like, you know what I mean? It's kind of... Grass is greener. Yeah. Grass is always greener.

Grass is always greener, but it greener but it's easier to it's easier to not worry about your neighbor's lawn if you've spent a lot of time there and you're actually kind of over going there true that's true that's true yeah because you you know what the grass is greener but if you've actually spent enough time in the other place you understand all the bad parts too so that's why you kind of figure it out for yourself. Like it only seems good, but you're right. They both have negative things. That's why when you're just doing that,

probably a relationship looks better. And then you're like, well, there's hard parts of all of it when you're just in relationship and you've never been that guy. I think it's a lot greener. Whereas you're like, yeah, that gets a lot as well.

Yeah. I think it's harder for dudes once they go through this lifestyle to do the other one though. That's the main thing. That is the other cost. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's harder for dudes once they go through this lifestyle to do the other one though. That's the main thing. That is the other cost. Yeah, yeah. Because I think

once you're talking to girls and a girl comes talk to you you're like, you know what I mean? It's automatic. You just fucking send a couple messages and then you just go on from there.

It's like, damn, this is like you're moving so quickly and so it's hard to turn that off. And even when you get in a relationship there's still people in your peripherals you're like, I can definitely talk to her.

I could do this. You know what I mean? It never turns off, that automatic feel to it. It becomes harder to walk away from that life. Yeah, I know guys that are like 55 that they're just still the exact same as at 30, never even made a dent. That's slightly pathetic, I'm not gonna lie to you.

That's like, I just don't wanna be that dude. No, no, no, they're like married guys that are just like, yeah, still like would want, like, you know what I mean? Yeah. A lot of them do. They go to fucking Panama. They got their little girlfriend there.

Yeah. Oh, really? That's the system? Yeah. You know guys that have that? Yeah. Yeah. They go, they go to these like work trip and then they have their second girls or whatever

the fuck it is. Or they have like a different hookers that they get with. That's super, super normal. Yeah. You go to Panama Panama you'll actually see like a lot of these women are girlfriends but it's just like

the guys come in for the weekend I've heard people actually talk about that one yeah so they basically see how you

like you essentially pay them to be your girlfriend for a week yeah oh how do you think escorts make money

it's not from single guys right they make well you but they still they make one pops i don't know

if all escorts are in that like the week-long girlfriend game probably some of them but a lot of the dream for them they don't have like they won't do like exclusive thing but they'll do like oh this is the guy i'm with for one week i'm his girlfriend for this week and they'll have like a few clients yeah they prefer that life because it's stable they know how generous he is they don't want to cycle through a bunch of people so if you're doing like high-end escorting or sugar baby stuff you're trying to have consistency you're not trying to have a new dude who are these guys they're not single general they're married they have understanding so it's like it's hard to walk away from that kind of lifestyle that it's uh probably like uh increasingly harder sell that all your trips to panama though yeah you have to legitimately

have like a shell corporation that you're operating there. Yeah. Remember that boat that got stuck in the canal? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Just the Amazon package came in Panama. I got to let the guy in. We're gonna be gone this weekend. I mean, a lot of people will travel for work.

It's very normal for like people's like, Oh, you know what? COVID probably fucked that up for so many guys. Absolutely. Who they're like, what? I got to see my escort over Zoom now? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I want to fuck her personality. Sucks.

Yeah, no, that shit would have fucked a lot of people. Yeah, like a lot of wives are like, honey, is this so great now because of COVID? You don't have to go on the road anymore? He's like, yeah. Awesome. I want to ask you guys, since you guys are Canadian,

how do you guys feel about the whole Shanti stuff and the dude who offed himself? Oh. Matt Bellin? Yeah. So just like in a very small version of it is there was like a woman that went trans to man and is now a man and then was, you know,

fairly active in, you know, canceling people and stuff like that. Stand-up comedian. Stand-up comedian stand-up comedian and then got canceled uh and the got canceled was one of the maybe best like icarus style cancellations ever because it was louis ck was back playing yuck yucks in toronto this comedian which is a big club this comedian worked at yuck yucks and then it was like oh classic yuck yucks uh putting a white male abuser like on stage and then it turns out that that's you were that was you

something like you were a white male abuser a bunch of women no lots and they were like a bunch of women so but he was a crazy is like what she did to matt billum before was even crazier because they both did a show together and i think he was just for last maybe and he did a he did a set before her okay there you go he did he did a set before her and then basically told like some kind of trains joke or whatever super down the middle too it was like uh oh you know now that trans people are in like the olympics or something in rowing like it'll be good to watch yeah yeah yeah like honestly the most down the middle take right and then she leaves like a note of sorts being like you fucking made me cry you transfer whatever and then she wrote it she

took a picture put online i think if i remember correctly yeah and then he like read it as he came off but he didn't really say anything to her the thing went kind of viral and then he pretty much got ostracized for a long time yeah he like moved to mexico and stuff during covid and like yeah yeah he i mean the thing is we we all know with Canada, it's like, you have, even if you're doing well, you have so little. Yeah.

Right? And so he was, you know, doing okay, but it was so easy for them to take everything away from him so fast.

And they did. Yeah. It's almost like nowadays too, it's one of those things where you look back and like at the time it felt like that was such a big deal.

Whereas since that, I've seen that same sort of thing play through 45 times now i think canada was like a big thing though yeah there was a lot of comics no do you know do you know shanty i just met her yeah a few times like is it you know it's like one of those things where the soon as it happens, I'm like very, you know, once someone is, the world turns on them, after that happens and it's like the kicking while they're down, there is like a point where it switches for me and I start to like feel bad for them. Oh, yeah.

Even like, even if it's someone that did something to me, whatever it is. Oh, that's kind of you, bro. No, I'll kick the bitch down the stairs. I'll dig a hole to find somewhere deep. I understand what you're saying, but me personally, set it on fire. I think that I won't like really throw gas on the fire,

but I'm not about to feel bad. Well, you guys are acting like it's from being nice where it's I'm just like a hipster counselor. No, I'm a hipster. I'm like, you're still hating her? Oh my god. I'm just like, I'm onto a new thing now. But yeah, I mean,

like, to me, the, like, whether you like to see someone have, you know, revenge or whatever, like, obviously it was justice, but there is a part where the only way that things kind of even out is when you know it's just not free to ruin someone's life anymore true i mean

i think that now if you're gonna be out there being like hey i'm gonna dig through everything everyone's ever done and try to ruin their life uh to some degree like do you remember when there was a month where i think it was during covid but it would be like someone would get famous from a viral video and then that someone would be like oh that person actually and then and then someone would and then they looked through that person's thing yeah they said the n word a couple times yeah yeah it was just like legitimately i think at one point it was like a four person chain so i mean i i do think that i'm i'm yeah there should be like some ramifications to like trying to you know eviscerate someone's life and business i mean i will socially it's just like i don't think we should look at that as like it's only positive so i think that's the

good part but that's what i mean i was like there is a point where just you know it's like right now everyone can say bill cosby is the worst guy or whatever. But if we were right now, like, isn't he the worst? And you're just like, yeah, but like, I'm not like, it's like, it's already kind of settled a little bit. I mean, it's been adjudicated. He was found innocent recently. Get my boy Bill out. He's out. Free Bill.

But I mean, with Shanty too, like the industry created that. Like they gave so it power and like invincibility where i i can't say like i've never been in a position like that but i can understand how you might change a bit yeah i think at that time she just represented what i hated in the comedy that's correct because the time period where she was like prominent and doing all this stuff was like the part where like you just saw a bunch of people like this kind of like leftist dogma of like inclusivity and like cis white males are garbage and like you can't talk about oppression whatever like i was just like i hated that era you know because it happened in montreal with like one of the small communities daniel karen and like yeah dude i had a whole

thing over daniel that guy yeah i what happened with them i remember i made that video so the girl who said yeah yeah yeah that dj mousner dj mousner right I remember I made that video. So the girl who said that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. DJ Mousner. DJ Mousner, right? So remember I made that video? Yeah. Oh, yeah.

So I made this video. This is my first like kind of foray into everybody in Canadian comedy. So I made this. I remember DJ Mousner put out this medium post saying this guy, Daniel Karen, who I've spoken with before. Seems like a nice guy. I don't know him personally.

He's cool. He's right. So she goes, um, we used to be in a relationship one day. He came home and I was like laying in bed or whatever. And like, I kind of,

I was like, he, he was like, wanted to have sex and I didn't really feel like it. And he's like, what? Oh, you like,

you know, you don't think I'm attractive or whatever and then she's like so we ended up having sex yeah and then two years later right in the heart of the me too thing i realized that he had raped me and she wrote hold the context they were both overweight people yes they hadn't had sex and he was feeling self-conscious thinking it was about like his looks yeah yeah yeah exactly yeah and so i mean she was like whatever yeah so she's like so i realized now that he raped me and i remember reading this i go okay this is getting too far like this there's gonna be an article about this guy online you're gonna search his name and it's gonna be like for the rest of his life yeah it's

gonna be a rapist so i made this video it's like two minute video that i just posted on facebook being like okay this is getting out of hand this is crazy i don't even know why i did it i just was so like yeah offended by how insane everything was getting and then they all all dude almost every female comedian in canada unfollowed me on facebook like i go look right now i go like my whole following list on facebook is just guys well they have a group and And then you put it in the group. I had the same thing happen. I know exactly what you're talking about. In my defense, I went so hard that I got her to remove his name from that article.

Absolutely. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Good. Because of the thing, she removed his name. Yeah, I did that video. And a bunch of people banned me from a bunch of comedy spots in Montreal. I was like, well, you suck my dog. I don't care.

Like, fuck you guys. This is crazy. I wasn't even friends with him. I never met him. But I was like, well, you suck my, I don't care. Like, fuck you guys. This is crazy. I wasn't even friends with him. I wasn't like, that's my homie. I never met him. But I was like, this is insane.

And I was sitting back and everybody's just keeping quiet and they're like afraid to say nothing. I was like, well, we all know this is crazy, right? Yeah.

And she just called this dude a rapist in front of everybody, pretty much fucked him over. And she was well connected, much like, she was connected with the CBC and all that stuff. Right?

So it's just, it was just bizarre to watch unfold culturally what was happening yeah and comedy all over canada so much of that dude you don't mean female comics actually it's so funny because like all these people like unfollowed me and then messaged me being like hey actually thanks for saying that like i could never remember either like i could never say that and i appreciate someone saying something like obviously i'll never publicly support you in any way, but I appreciate you doing that. It's like, thanks.

I get it. I get it. I get it. If everybody wants to make their money, they don't want to cause... I get it. I saw a lot of... Yeah, it's not even the... The money thing is one thing, but in those scenarios, it's more like they're petrified.

Yeah. Well, again, they have so little. They have so little that they've probably worked so hard for in Canada. But also like... And they can say one thing and lose it all if you see someone beside you yeah like just get dragged like that it's like you're like i do not want that and then it's you know it's like we're one following danny if you want to be part of this community and they're yeah of course like they can't wait yeah you know it's like it's never like the funny or the top comedians that are actually good it's like the ones that are like either industry plants or the folks who like never get well

they're playing a different game they're not playing the funny game they're playing the power game it's interesting that i've just seen that consistently the people who do it is very like like i've never seen headliners do some weird stuff like that or whatever but to me what changed it like and i would say it's like you know a little less like that in my opinion what changed it is not necessarily people changing their minds other than what really changed it is like people building new systems that were better yeah so it's like if you're a kid in toronto right now you're not like oh i want that career you're watching people like you and being like you know what i mean yeah like there was a new like a group of people being like here we'll just do it without you guys yeah and then

and then now people look at that and they go, oh, I don't have to say all the things you need me to say anymore. So it's like the freedom came from not from changing people's opinions. Who cares about doing Just for Laughs? No one now. It's literally irrelevant. Who cares about doing CBC?

Like most of the shit they produce is unfunny. You don't have any time to hit people. If you hear people say that now, you legitimately, like if they're like, oh, I want to get the Just for Laughs thing, you legitimately feel like you're talking to someone from get the Just for Laughs thing, you legitimately feel like you're talking to someone

from the 80s. Yeah, for sure. They're playing a different game. They hit me up. They're like, you want to do New Faces? I was like, why? New Faces?

Is it in an arena? Yeah. It's going to be taped. But that's like how work fails. $250? I'm like, why would I put my name on this thing where I know I could sell out

easily this whole room by myself? And then why would I give that money to you like what's the point yeah like this is like the exploitative deal by every standard like I don't need you guys on the French I just realized they paid me like five digits right to do my show and these guys are trying to offer me like $250 to do like a 10-minute set and put my name on like no this is so stupid this doesn't make any sense so but they have no idea they're still living in the previous era where they go like we're a big deal right we're just for laughs no cbc is the same too like all

their originals like a lot of them is just garbage and it's not even that sometimes the talent that's the problem it's just all the red tape and all the standards that they have to meet they're like whoa listen we uh have to avoid this topic and we have to make sure we include some native americans and i'm like bro this is so nonsense dude i used to do videos there and they would take so long to go through all their notes that by the time the video came out, I felt like it was edited too slow because the internet changed its pacing

in the time that they took to go through the video. To go through the whole thing. It's just inefficient. It's not, I think about what you spoke about and it's like, that's so true. Like when I go back to Montreal now, it's like so many people are on their own shows. People are not beholden to these things.

People are in good shows and there's like a lot of standup you can do. And it's like so many people are on their own shows. People are not beholden to these things. People are in good shows. And there's like a lot of standup you can do. And it's like, I'm so grateful. Because when I was coming in, you weren't liked by certain bookers. I mean, you were fucked for a lot of shows. And so just seeing the power kind of being redistributed more widely

makes it so like people don't have to feel like they're under like some kind of, you can't say this, you can't't say that and I think that's awesome personally Yeah, and who's the who's like, especially if you look at the Montreal specifically you go Who's like the famous guys that you want to want the career of it's like what you Mike Ward like, you know there's no I mean maybe sugar Sammy, but I don't think yeah, he seems like also not like a Industry, you know, no, he's on his not like an industry, you know. No, he's done his own thing.

Seems like a cool guy, yeah. He did the France Got Talent show. So that was a big like industry move for him. But he did it through his own means. He used to record his things, upload it himself through YouTube, much like Russell Peters and like his own tapes. And like, you know, he fucked off and made like so much money doing stuff overseas. So it's great.

The more people recognize like they can do it on their own, the more that we're going to have better, not only better paid comics, but I think also just better comedians in general. Better comedians and also a better, just like a better system for getting better too. There's just so much bullshit that didn't help you be good at comedian and and a lot of times it helps you be the opposite yeah like so much of

that like industry game is literally farming you to be average yeah oh especially canada yeah they're like just rewarding some of the most mediocre people consistently but that's just that was that's the mainstream nobody nobody cares anymore because like Americans will just come into town and then just sell out a bunch of shows and then leave yeah because like that's what they want to say like they don't want to see some fucking nobody shanti come up in Vancouver they want to see bill burke come through they want to see people say whatever they want that's what he's really crave so the other day when I see this I like is it disconnect from them

and the people that's okay that's okay I'm happy I see like a bunch of guys from Toronto making their own content and then traveling and going on tour. And they're selling out spots from either TikTok or whatever the fuck. Yeah. That's cool. I like seeing stuff like that. Oh, it's amazing. Yeah. And literally, when we moved here, that wasn't happening.

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I think you might have. It's a very small room, right? Yeah, exactly. A tiny room. Well, this was like a comedy club that was the kind of, the one that no one was in the industry. And everyone said what they wanted to say. And people were doing wild comedy.

And girls were boycotting it. Whatever, right? All this stuff. And every person that is currently popular from toronto right now from that show four of them everyone's from that comedy club yeah you know like shade arena yeah yeah i saw stuff on tiktok i'm like yeah good for him really well but all those guys are from that one spot you know and it was like yeah because like you weren't wasting your time writing 80 pilots for nothing oh my god or whatever the fuck you know That's awesome. I like seeing that.

I remember when we first started and we preached to a lot of people, like, what are you guys doing? This is a waste of time. I'm like, I don't think so. I think this is going to go somewhere eventually. And like, sure enough. He said it's a waste of time or you did?

Comedians. A lot of comedians were saying like, oh, they understand it. This is like 2015. Yeah. Right? So at the time it wasn't. Hopefully you have some of those as posts,

like her text messages, where it's like this YouTube stuff. Like that's the new guidance counselor like message they were hitting so hard and i think i understand part of it's like this is not that funny and i can understand like maybe you guys don't find it that's fine i don't think like our stuff is hitched on necessarily just being funny just interesting commentary and then sometimes people laugh at some of the jokes that's cool like i'm not not someone here like i'm the top comic or whatever um but i just thought it was a great way for me to put out my thoughts and my ideas to the public. And then let them decide if they want to follow it or not.

But comedians just wanted to. They were very restrictive in how they. I didn't see too many comedians who had an entrepreneurial mindset. They understood the artistic aspect of it to some degree. But business was non-existent. And I think generally the comedians who make it the biggest in terms of like actual making money are the ones who understand the business portion of it.

And if you don't, you're going to get fleeced. You're going to get fleeced. Yeah, yeah. You're going to sign a stupid deal with Just for Laughs to do like your tour, and they're going to take so much money and offer you zero promotional value. Like you'll just take on bad deals for content and stuff

and sign the CBC. So you got to have your business hat on. I think people are inherently a little lazy too true they're just like i mean that that is kind of the dream where everybody in comedy were like remember back in the 90s where you go do just for laughs you do a five minute set and you get some like million dollar deal from nbc you don't even make anything they're like they just give you a million bucks and everybody's like yeah that's what i want yeah yeah isn't it funny when you see your friends like started out i don't i'm only what like eight nine years in but when i first started like seeing some of them and like now they're doing like a

late night spot on like conan or something and it's just like does this even matter no it doesn't but it's not it's actually no because i want that it doesn't yeah yeah no no it's like observably like it doesn't what you mean tell me well i mean it just doesn't do it i mean do you not know lots of people that have done all that stuff and it didn't help that much true okay i see what you're saying so it's like from uh like it's like it's empirically doesn't really help that much a late night credit used to have value because not that many people had late night credits yeah now everybody has them so like it used to be like hey i, I have a late night credit. Can I headline your club?

And they're like, well, everybody who messages me has a late night credit. So there has to be more to it now. Like even, I mean, I remember, I'm not gonna say the name, but this comedian who I met in Montreal, actually, he's an American comic. And he had done, he was really a victim of timing, in my opinion, because he's a funny comic. And he had done, he was really a victim of timing, in my opinion, because he's a funny comic, and he had done absolutely everything.

He had done every late night show, like America's, not America's Got Talent, what was the last comic stand? He did everything, and then it kind of stopped people caring about it. Like it switched over to the internet, and he just didn't adapt, and he's just like, that's it. It's unfortunate. Yeah, like nobody cares. A lot of guys don't want to either. They refuse to to the internet and he just didn't adapt and he's just like, that's it. It's unfortunate. Yeah, like nobody cares.

A lot of guys don't want to either. They refuse to do the internet stuff, which I'm like, it's fine, but the consequence is you have no way to stay connected or tethered to your audience. Yeah. That's all that happens.

So you got to understand what comes with that. Because the difference is even if they don't find me as funny or whatever it might be, it doesn't matter because they have an emotional attachment. They want to see me in person.

They want the whole spectacle of being there live. Some people go to these comedy shows, they don't even laugh. There's plenty of comedians they'll go to watch. They don't laugh, but they just want to be able to see them because they listen to the podcast every morning. Of course. So for them, it's like a whole experience.

And I've been that person. I mean, I remember when the Jackass guys or Tom Green or whatever when I was young and those would tour. And yeah, they could have went and done the crappiest thing and I would have thought it was sick. I mean, even seeing Tom Green or whatever when I was young, and those would tour. And yeah, they could have went and done the crappiest thing, and I would have thought it was sick. I mean, even seeing Tom Green now. I remember we moved to New York and just hanging out with Tom Green at the stand,

and I was like, this is maybe the coolest thing ever. Yeah, it's still sick. Great experience. No, no. So people, yeah, it is. If you listen to someone every day, you're like, sick. Yeah, yeah. The sponsorship stuff is a big, big game changer too.

It's just so interesting how many direct, how much the middleman's being cut out so often. Everywhere. All the bureaus. I mean, this is just with comedy. Again, all the people who are like, I'm a talent agent or I'm a booker. And you're like, yeah, we don't need you.

There's this decentralized system and it now decides as a giant hive mind. Even if you're like a roofer right now, the amount of money you probably put to put your logo on like the side of a, you know, buildings and cars, whatever the hell you had to do. Maybe you have some guy that like helps you get gigs

and takes a percentage. It's like now there's some roofer in some small town that has 10,000 followers and he's booked for the next four years. You know what I mean? That's just crazy to think about. It's almost super rewarding because you realize how much fluff there was involved. It wasn't necessary.

You know, like, you see you have this guy take 25%. This person takes 15%. And, like, once you do the back-end work, you're like, wait, that's why I was giving you, like, a couple grand? Yeah. So you could just fire off some emails and just, like, finish an algorithm? Like, there's nothing. Well, they just had this kind of moat in their little job where they go like i'm i do this thing yeah you can't yeah and they're not even necessarily good at it yeah they just they've had the position for

everything they've gotten complacent and they used to get everything i remember when i negotiated my deal for just glass like some guys like i can negotiate for you i could probably get you this much and i was like no and i just went to them with like the most ridiculous number i could think of and they said yes and i was like i remember no. And I just went to them with like the most ridiculous number I could think of. And they said yes. And I was like, I remember I had to keep my cool. Okay, this is like the first time me and Preach made money.

I never get this. We were both sitting there and they accepted the amount. Actually, no, they didn't accept the amount. They went like 15% lower, but that's like still 10 times higher than anything I'd ever touched.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the moment that happened, Preach was like almost reacting and I hit him underneath the table. And then I was like, okay, cool. Yeah, we'll definitely think about it. We'll definitely think about it.

Like perfect, perfect. We took the paperwork. We took the contract. We waited until we got to Eleanor. We're like, dig it! And it was such a great moment. I took the check.

I plastered it in my room. But it was just, for me, it was like the fruits of my labor finally came through together. And there's people who recognize our commercial value. We can make money from this. This is good for our brand.

So we're going to put money. They understand to some degree. And so, yeah, just being able to cut out the middleman, not having him fuck it up for me, and then also seeing how the back end works and how these deals get made. It's like, oh, okay. And so that's another part that's really rewarding for me as well. Yeah. No, I agree with that sort of stuff and it is like the problem is i guess with the content is figuring out the balance of those all those things right yeah like do you find that

not even just on you personal level but just like the way that things are monetized like okay netflix is a subscription service so that really the better the thing the better right but when everyone's you know straight up running like a content business to sell you know essentially eyeballs on a product or whatever it is when that's essentially your model eventually that's gonna funnel to the easiest content that gets the most views the quickest right sure so it's like there is a i wonder if in the next like five years it'll be a lot worse than it is now and everyone will start being like hey i'm done with what's the best content is rarely the most profitable yeah that

could be true for you yourself like there's a bunch of stuff we could do that'd be more profitable but i'm like i don't want to make that much money that badly. But you're not like a, your, your objective is not maximizing profits. No, I'm not running live streams like, alright guys, gambling. You know, like I could, it would be super profitable, but I just can't be bothered. So you always got to find the line of stuff that you don't want it to, that doesn't interest you. So everything I do is in the vein of things I want to do. And then advertisers just come in on the side afterwards.

And that's like, I don't love this advertiser, but I'll do it. Yeah. I know you can say that. If it's an advertiser I hate, I'll be like, no, I'll refuse it. Because how much money do you really need? I know. You know what I mean? Like, is it worth it? And then that's always my stuff.

A lot of times, like, I'll do a few, like a month or whatever. But a lot of times, I'm like, I just don't really want this in my video. Yeah. Especially with, like, a sketch or something. Sometimes I'm just like, I think I just would rather. Like, even. And it is annoying to be like okay x amount of dollars if it's like changes nothing except for have it there and i'm just like i don't want to yeah yeah halfway through the video it's like it kills the whole flow something like that you gotta find the balance

i think in a podcast setting it's fine podcast yeah it's totally fine but like if i'm doing a short sketch i wouldn't do it because like it just kills the whole sketch i put them at the end but yeah that's the thing and does it pay less probably but i think at the end of the day it's like you got to think about your audience because audience is what gets you the money so you don't want to lose the audience just to make the money right so yeah that's no but there is a there is a switch though I've even noticed on you know watching like TikTok and Instagram and place like that where in the last year first of all there's a million people whose content is about content yeah like there's a genre of content about content absolutely yeah it's a machine yeah it's a machine perpetual

motion machine it's a new wild west yeah everyone's like this is the gold rush yeah oh yeah there's so much way people can't even imagine yeah that's probably a good way to describe it it is a bit of a gold rush so people figuring, and those are the people that are figuring out, hey, what if I make a machine that digs the gold? Yeah, there's people on the back end who do that. Like think about influencer marketing companies. There's people literally hire a bunch of influencers or whatever they're called, like YouTubers,

and they put them underneath their label and they just take checks and they understand, like, all right, this is the brand. So people understand and these new industries are popping up as a result of it. Oh, for sure. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, and then there's the, you're going to have the person that's like, if you mine it properly, you have to do it like this. This is how you... There's always going to be people who think

they have the formula and they've figured everything out. And there is... No, I'm saying the old guy that's still mining the old. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, like,

yeah, he goes, you work on your tight five. Yeah. Just get that tight five. Yeah, he doesn't like all the, you know, back in his you just you work on your tight five yeah just get that tight five yeah he doesn't like all the you know back in his day they didn't use machines to do yeah yeah but it is these are like the guys who like they do they're like just for laughs gala it's like airs on cbc and they like open up twitter and they're like nothing huh okay yeah yeah yeah yeah all right no so i think it's obviously like way better and it's made my life

better but there's also a part of me that like part of me that in some ways bums me out. But it's probably all temporary. Things get... If they do get bad enough, then a new thing happens always, right? VR comedy shows. I think that's going to be a thing. You think so?

I think so. VR comedy shows. VR comedy shows. I actually imagine you could be anywhere in the world and you're watching Dave Chappelle in person. It's like you have sensory overload. I'd pay to do it too

I mean the thing is most people don't have a comedy club even in Canada like Canada has less comedy clubs than there are within two miles

of us right now yeah in the entire country absolutely like most people do not have a local comedy club like all over the world so yeah

if you can dial them in and you just pop on your VR and you're like hey I'm at a show. Absolutely. That's going to be the new rush. Yeah. Live shows are going to be a thing.

You think VR? Imagine if Dua Lipa could- You think that is going to work? Imagine if Dua Lipa could run a concert with all our fans at the same time and imagine they could find a way to insulate the sound and the whole vibe

and you feel it. I would want to do that. I would want to pay attention. I don't want to run a show. Instead of me having to travel to Berlin and travel here here i'm like yo listen for all my european fans we're gonna have a show at this time get tuned in bruv that sounds wicked but if the technology gets yeah it's we're still a bit away from it being that close but it'll pretty amazing i mean i have an oculus and you usually you go like i could see how we'll get there yeah

absolutely for sure so you you think that meta is the i don't know if meta the iteration of meta as we have it now is but i think that industry is it's kind of like when electric cars came out like a couple of weeks everyone's like no and now you're seeing it it's progressively becoming more and more common where i think it's going to be the future yeah i mean it just it has to have what's the closest that's happening right now where it's like sort of close to being a consumer thing that people actually do is that live shows on oculus sure uh that's close to being i don't know i think business stuff that's like that's where they're i know meta is that's where they're trying to focus their meetings things is being like hey instead of having to travel to a meeting here just plop on your thing and you're in a meeting and like you can just pop stuff up on everybody can

participate because I mean there still is the motion element that's not good on the Oculus the VR the VR thing I know guys who do the VR comedy shows already

it's like it's a bit rusty at the moment but it's still interesting and people do virtual reality hangouts so they have their avatars and they go to just show up at a spot

it's like instead of getting dressed up you just call it whatever the fuck you want we're gonna be so fucking lazy in 10 years. Yo, it's going to be wild. This is the future, man. Yeah, yeah.

I mean, I tried to go on the Horizon Worlds thing recently, and I was like, I still don't get it. I don't know if I'm like, it's just all you hear is a bunch of eight-year-olds all talking at the same time. And I go like, I don't know why this is good. Maybe I'm missing something. I dated a girl once that would do these club events where you essentially like the bar would pay her five thousand dollars

and you would she would literally just go kind of like stand in a booth and then say hi to a few people and then drink and then leave or whatever that's going to be the laziest job of all time is the influencer that get paid like 30 grand to show up in vr you'd have to just put this on like drink like one drink and then you take your headset back off and you just paid 30 grand. Yeah. I mean, didn't somebody buy property

besides Snoop Dogg in VR? Yeah, that was in Decentraland, although I don't know if people are still into that anymore. But somebody was like, I think this is the next thing and then there's people who are going to take chances.

But there will be a comedy club where it'll be a ticketed thing where you go, hey, pay five bucks and you can grab a seat. Imagine VR sex for long-term, long-distance relationships because they already have technology now

where you put on a glove and like, they have like doctors in America doing operations on people in India because the glove, the doctor wears in America and it does the exact same move. Yeah, yeah.

So obviously, yeah. Oh, they'll have the full haptic. Yeah, yeah. And they'll have the full like haptic. You know what have the full like you know it'd be hilarious though you for sure you um you find out your girl has been using a dick bigger than yours just edits that thing right like slightly bigger editing is going to be normalized because i see like plastic surgery now on ladies is like super normal you know i mean be like botox lip fillers nose jobs ass tits like who cares about a tip job

i don't think people even make a comment about titty jobs now and so i think within the next 20 years with plastic surgery becoming more efficient and everything's going quick you know everyone i know is like getting hair transplants if they're bald nobody cares no so the whole editing thing is going to be normal it's like that cyberpunk future editing what like you're saying editing yourself your partner your vr thing yeah absolutely this is this is the new just living like a crazy new lie yeah yeah i guess i've ever seen cyberpunk no no what's that cyberpunk 27 though i've heard of that i thought it was a video game it's a video game it's also like an anime it's like a whole genre but it's basically talking about like the future and how like everyone's like half cyber on cyber

onyx like half human that's like they're getting their arms edited their legs edited to like jump higher and it's interesting wait so when you say edited they edit the genes or do you mean they're like well just take out like you know how you edit like you'll just take out a piece and put something else that's what i mean when i say edit okay okay yeah yeah i mean have you seen the they can make you taller now the that surgery is getting better no it's crazy too i was reading this article about this guy who is, I think he was 5'7". So it's so expensive and it's so painful. They literally break your legs.

And then over the course of like, it takes three months, they basically put in bone and then it fuses. So you have these long legs. I know. Yeah. You basically go to the mafia, owe them money, then they come break your legs. Then you save the money that you would own them It's almost like the South Park thing, but the guy was talking about it like why would you do that?

Like you were already 5 7. He's like, I don't know. It's just seems like me 5 10 sounds pretty sick That's great. I get it beat up a high waist. Well, that's the problem is your yeah, cuz it's not proportional It's just you can't you probably like your feet. It's like that bird joke where he talks about like, why would you want to be the first people to get the job? First people's top. Yeah, because they're just experimenting at that point. So you wait for it to get a little bit better. Like nose jobs were wild before and now they've gotten so good at it.

Lips are okay. The people that are getting the butt jobs are still a little strange looking at times. But they're getting better at that one too. Like that one's super common. Yeah. Super common. And you know what's interesting about one too. That one's super common. Yeah. Super common. You know what's interesting about that one?

That one's just a fat transfer. So it's actually superior to the T-job because that's a silicone implant, but they're just literally taking fat. It actually doubles up as a liposuction.

But it can look a little weird, yeah. That's the bad ones. You'd be surprised how many- Those are the Columbia ones. You go to another country and get it under the table. You'd be surprised how many people on Instagram

you probably looked at that have had it done that you didn't notice. Yeah. Because what happens is they take out stuff out of their midsection, so they get slimmer here. Yeah. And then they easily implant it there. Yeah.

See, I noticed you see some girls who have those, and your body looks like a funhouse mirror. It looks insane. Nobody's body looks like that. It looks crazy. And I always think, do they think that they look normal? Like, do they think they're just like, I'm like a maximized, like normal looking body? Do you not think your brain got changed though? Because mine did.

Like in terms of that look, like the big lips or whatever, like I never was attracted to that. I hate it. And I currently am. Yeah. You're liking to it a little bit? I fucking hate it. It switched me.

I'm telling you, you're like, all those girls with those fake asses like look at their instagram followers there's dudes everywhere but okay i mean the same way have you ever never you ever you i'm sure we i think everyone here is like never really that been that specifically attracted a certain type of girl then you date one that girl and that sort of changes your i used to feel that way about pathways or whatever blonde women i do date that girl and i don't like it right right right yeah you yeah yours is more a little like that but no for i don't know that that sort of uh like that just wasn't in my wheelhouse of girls that i thought about yeah and definitely i remember i've sort

of talked about this a bit on stage but like when the kardashians first came out i was like also like weird look like you know what i mean and i've literally switched where it's now i'm just like look at the girl doesn't even have lips like small ass lips on this girl ass lips hating hard man yeah yeah beauty sensor changes but it does switch yeah your brain can switch there's certain things i don't think i could be switched on but those specific things like i don't know i'm sure there's certain people that like you know that didn't like a tattooed guy. Now it's like they, like the girls that kind of are normal.

If you do, doesn't have a guy tattooed. Like it's kind of, yeah, but no, I'm saying, yeah, now there's like a certain type of girl that's like,

Oh, it's a look that they like that his face has tattoos on it. Like that's a brain pathway that has to change. Cause they're not, no one's out of the womb being like, yeah, I would like someone's face. I actually,

you know what? I got into a rabbit hole last night i was watching youtube and this dude um fuck i can't remember his name lil like poony or something or new piece wait poopsies no no no no this guy not poopsies he's they were talking about him on uh he was on no jump or whatever and he's like this white dude from Syracuse who's like totally covered in face tats and he's like says he's like

in he's like a blood or whatever but it's total lie and they like he got called out by that all the bloods keep saying no he's not

like a 1090 or whatever Takashi 69 no no not Takashi 69 somebody else no this guy's like I went and looked at his Instagram yesterday

and he has like 70 this is the no we're way too old for this one no way you guys being like this new rapper poopsie i want to say it's like little loopy it doesn't matter there's always a new little so hardcore because he wanted this life of like being absolutely and you're like he stinks think about that and also like and also like nobody likes him and then he's been called out as like being a fraud in all the crews and now you can't matter so like think about it though you're willing to tattoo your entire face i promise you in 15 years people gonna get robotic arms yeah there's no reason not to there's no reason

not to you get robotic eyes you could see like what's you could fucking zoom in and change your focus like who's not going to fucking zoom in and change your focus. Like who's not going to do it? I feel like I always think America is the most like extreme always too. You know what I mean? But it's like, yeah, it all they'll take for some,

we've got to get the robotic arm and then it'd be a week before someone's like, I'll get two robotic arms. And it's like, and then the third guy's like, yeah, pop one on my neck. Let's fuck it. I got it.

Now you're Octavius. They've talked about, uh, what is it? Like, I think Apple is designing it like a legit now. You're Octavius. They've talked about uh, what is it? Like I think Apple is designing it like a contact lens second dick. Oh Dick on the front and the back. That was one underneath right you just fuck both They're pulsating there's like a fucking propeller and I'll pop this Hydraulics. Yeah, who needs a sex toy like I got it built it's crazy. Yeah

Your dick slapping with your dick and your robotic dick yeah that uh contact lens i would do that for sure yeah if it's just a contact lens and what would be the the things of that just like a full computer that's like overlaid on your reality essentially like i don't know seems pretty cool oh you're saying it's like terminator You'd prefer that Than the Elon Musk microchip Well microchip seems more invasive If we're talking about Literally a contact lens And you're like Well lots of people

Wear contact lenses So yeah Think about our parents' generation Or maybe before them Like World War II And like they came right afterwards And then us as the advent Of the internet

And like our kids Probably get like Advent of like Cybernetics and shit That's such a wild transition How exponential it'll be oh for sure when it comes to technology oh yeah that's a crazy thing to think about oh yeah it seems like bald guys are done there's never will never be another bald guy again there's

no reason to or even like sports like i'm gonna watch human sports and then like half robot sports yeah you know like who doesn't want to see a super freak running around like kicking balls from halfway across with such precision like oh there's gonna be freak shows off and there's like some argument of like hey but that's a trans robot yeah there's gonna be no yeah I'm excited to see what I don't think you'd ever want to watch robot sports that just seems like like robots absolutely as long as there's some human like piloting or Not full robots. Half robots. Yeah. I would want to see half man, half robots. Absolutely. I would really watch that. As long as there's some human like piloting or whatever

or something like that. Would you want to see half robots fight each other? If there's a human underneath the robot, I would like it. You just fucking see steam popping out of his shoulder

when he goes for a right hook. Like that should be, I don't know. To me, I think that feature sounds pretty exciting. Something like almost like a Power Rangers thing

where like you have the guy inside, you know, and then they're like, they're manning these 50 foot tall tall robots that are fighting each other. Yeah. That'd be pretty cool. The whole natural thing is just, that's out the window. That's out the window.

There's going to be always a movement of people. You think it's done. I think it's over. I think it's over. I think they've lost that battle, and I think plastic surgery is definitely- It did solve all the things. I mean, guys used to be able to not get it up. That's done.

That's done. You know what I mean? You've got pills you can take, or fucking medicine, you need and you fix everything and and nobody even stigmatizes you for using it not at all that's how that's how you know the culture's changed because i remember growing up it was like everybody wanted to get big boobs so you got titty jobs and everyone's like ew now nobody thinks about that and the ass is the next thing yeah you're almost better off to have small tits and get big ones uh put on on than to have big tits that are just a little worse than fakes. Yeah.

Yeah. It's a cultural shift. It's interesting. I'm very – I feel like I won't – when I'm going to be the old geezer, I'm really going to look at the world and be like, whoa, it's so different than when I was growing up. You know how our parents did that? Yeah.

You're not that now though. Not that yet. Not that yet because I feel like I was there when the internet really popped off. Yeah the internet like really popped off and i was there just before as well just like doing the whole park stuff and hanging out with people before but i don't feel like there's been that much change but i think once the cyber stuff comes in i think it's over well one of the things with the the ai i feel like the same as you know the ai conversation that there's a lot of people been saying like that's the only thing in the future yeah i feel like that people have the same conversation about like streaming for a long time like even when like axis came out it was like a lot of

people betting on like live is the only thing that matters moving forward and i know that you kind of live stream and do your shows like do you think that that is true that people are it's going to be almost exclusively like move towards live and everything i think there's going to be a market for both because i think the experience of being there in person is just special to people. But I think with time as the VR technology gets superior. The one thing that would make me

go to a VR show over a real show is that the VR thing can edit things to make it better. Yeah, there's like an overlay or something. Exactly.

But people always want to leave their houses. I think the VR thing is still just really good for people who just don't have access to it. You're like, you can't put a comedy club

in every city. But imagine if it was like Mushrooms. Yeah. Then you're staying home to watch the show. You get what I'm trying to say? Like, you want to go see the little show, or it's, oh, you're doing it on Mushrooms. The show's getting fucking better.

You can do it from home. It's like, people don't even want to do that. They want to see the whole spectacle of lights and all this other stuff, you know? Like, think about your imagination. Think about VR making everything, your imagination about a live show happen in real life. Sure.

You know what I'm saying? So let's say you're talking about a story and there's visuals of whatever that story is popping out in everyone's eyes at the same time you're telling that story. It can make it a lot better. They had a thing actually, I think last week, where they had some neural net thing and they were showing images of people's thoughts

and they were pretty close. They would show them a photo and then be like think about the picture of the photo and then the reproduction and it was like pretty close stop it yeah yeah that's the thing that your girlfriend's like yeah you bring your chick and you go hey i got us this thing and she's like shoot yourself on the spot yeah no thanks that's yeah i guess that's when there is a point where the only like the only separation from the like the real world and the not real world is that you've decided that you're in it like you know what i mean like as soon as you that's i guess that was what they always matrix stuff but it's like as soon as you just like let go of the fact that no you know the separation yeah then there's like ceases to be one it's hard to though because if you ever took

another oculus even when you know it's not real you still react like it's real of course when i'm gonna stand on the ledge of the building like you bro like that is the truth i was terrified of really falling so you have no way of not knowing it's real it's like you could watch the avengers or you could be in it as like one of the cameramen who walks through the whole thing and they talk to you like the experience of being there with captain america or iron man it's probably way superior than watching it on the screen i guess there is like things that that's do act look what if you think about what's real yeah like if you have a on the internet let's say we had like a big club and i'm the president and you're the thing it's like and you're like you're not actually the president it's just on the internet and you're like well but i am the president on the internet like yeah

it's kind of i guess there is it gets uh murky what is real and what's not too you know so if you're like hey i'm this i own this big house in this thing and you're like yeah but it's not real and you're like what is though i guess it is it is because i play like video games and like you'll have people who have like guild houses in certain video games. And that means everything to them. They show up with their buddies at 7 p.m. Eastern. Yeah. And they decorate the spot.

They invest money, real money, into getting cool stuff and emblems. And everybody shows up to play online. Now, imagine that's first person. You're literally in there. You get to open the doors. You and your squad. You and your squad. You don't even need to know them in person.

You make friendships that are so tight just from those kind of experiences. I mean, I've, you know, like, I mean, I've, like, how many times have me and you met? And I've seen tons of your stuff and I feel like I know you, you know, in a lot of ways because of that.

Yeah. But I mean, since I moved to America, the amount of friends I've met from the internet and, you know, obviously that's a little different because it's like a business relationship to some degree, but still it is real. Yeah. Like it starts that way, different because it's like a business relationship to some degree. But still, it is real. It starts that way, but then it's not. Yeah.

It's just... I think about that game. What's the difference between you were in a rock climbing club together or a cyclist club together or went to school together, then you play video games together? Really, what's the difference? It is different because I think the in-person stuff makes it a little bit more tangible and stronger. However... Well, they can have both, though. How many people play video games with people and then they meet up right right but i think if you regularly meet up online versus regularly meeting up in person i feel like those things are going to feel changes it once you mean yeah yeah but i think about that game where i was talking about you were on the ledge of the

building and there's like birds flying around you're terrified yeah i've done it yeah yeah i think yeah it's a trippy thing right like really like you look at it oh yeah yeah your heart's in your and i'm like it got that emotional aspect of me that felt so real and so i'm thinking take every sound like scared oh you're terrified like you're like there's a video online of rappers doing it you saw the one no i've never seen there's a hilarious you got a bunch of like these like soundcloud rappers that do this shit. It's hilarious. They're saying like, oh, there's a screen, right? But I think of how emotionally it gripped me and I think everything that I watch on the screen, if I could get that same emotional grip

watching that, it would make everything 10 times better or at least more immersive and I'd be more invested. That memory stays with me forever because I'm like, whew. So when I think about Game of Thrones or whatever, imagine the experience of being there.

It feels like you're seeing everything unfold around you. You're not just watching the red wedding. You're there for it. Yeah, you're there. You're in the corner seeing the carnage happen. You hear the screaming in your ears and blood spatters on your face. It's almost conceptually so crazy to think about. It's going to screw up the girls who are super into all the true crime and stuff like guys like you come home and the girl's just been watching eight

hours of being at a murder scene and you know you know there's gonna be some twisted people are like they're gonna do the most fucked up shit in vr you know what would really be like a game changer is so i actually was reading this uh study there was a pretty normal stuff but it was listing off what uh makes people sleep better and a lot of things like that. And one of the ones obviously was like sunlight. And there's another point I'm bringing this up, but the reason I'm saying that is, imagine you could put the VR on

and a lot of people don't get enough sun if you live in the wrong spot. So you go into a place, you get sun, but it's able to actually simulate real sun. Like you get the vitamin D too. Where imagine like how many times you've probably been like in like maybe a bad mood or whatever and you go out and it's sunny and it kind of like. I feel better.

I think they have lamps like that. Yeah. So if you have like the lamp. So basically you have the glass on, then there's like a lamp on top of that attached to your head. Like you basically have a hat that kind of has like a lamp shining down and then you maybe it activates the lamp or something like that. Ryan's girl is going to come home. He's just like, of has like a lamp shining down and then you maybe it activates the lamp or something like that rides girl's gonna come home he's just like it looks like a lamp

yo that would be pretty cool if you're if you literally could simulate like being at the beach but it wasn't fake because you still need the vitamin d and the actual sun benefits yes so they got technology to replicate that they're gonna have everything they're gonna have everything think about how many people got fantasies i want the first lamp they can't even talk about you know i mean like i know girls probably like i know a lot of girls who have rape fantasies they can just pop it in with yarn make it happen and then they turn up they go i didn't like it actually yeah yeah yeah but at least it didn't get it really right but it felt real you know i i think you get self-traumatized that way i think i was wrong about liking that yeah yeah that's gonna be really well that's probably the

safest way to find out that you're wrong though That's probably sure. Yeah think about deepfakes to deepfakes are crazy. That's gonna be the Crappy. Yeah, I think it's terrible too. Well, like people are using deepfakes for porn now It's like who do you want on the porn? We'll switch your head on to any video you want. Yeah, you're your sister There's a lot of legal stuff that's gonna happen yeah, yeah Yeah there's that's gonna probably be Like There's gonna have to be

A squad of people That's their job You ever think They'll be like Remember how people Used to film movies Like record movies Like on a camcorder

Like in the 90s Like you think There'll ever be something Like probably not that far away Where someone Is at like A Knicks game And you could just like

Plug into the thing And be like Watching the Knicks No no They already do that They already do it it right now really yeah during the NBA people wear the glasses yeah oh really yeah yeah like on the court like on the court you're watching where's it yeah it's not the ref I think you're the courtside oh they're like a camera set up for VR and like you literally could just watch as if you were that people do that from home yeah yeah the one before i forget that one of the funny things was so for women it said uh having a

partner sleep beside you on the bed improved your sleep by 10 and for men uh having a partner in the bed decreased your sleep by five percent yeah because it's in that grade that's such a funny stat do you do two blankets like I suspected that I've never slept better because a woman was beside me I suspected that two blankets

is the answer for you two blankets separate blankets dude that you have a I was saying this to the RU Garbage guys that's how I do it

is that what you do yes you have at that point a separate bed you're eventually going to have separate beds for sure two blankets why did you say two blankets

two blankets because she has hers and I have mine and then because this guy's one step away from Burton Ernie beds No, because the sleeping bad part for guys is because women are hopefully generally smaller But they're using the same blanket and you're like you're fighting. That's what you sleep bad That's not fighting over this fucking blanket on that's not the reason for me You know what it is I'm always on the edge of the bed. And so she's in the middle and it creates like a bit of,

oh, sorry. It creates a bit of a dent. So like the, literally bed, the way it supports my back feels different. Oh. Because there's more weights. The bed literally feels different than when it was because she's not there. That's what actually fucks me up.

I actually wake up a lot of times, like a woman sleeping beside me, like my back hurts. Because the way that she changes the shape of the bed. Because it doesn't support me as well. For me, it well always just the blanket okay yeah it's just

we're always fighting well there's also you just don't have as much room too like I'm a pretty big guy so it's like a lot of times when they're the first thing

if you're just like you know first thing you do at the hotel is like fucking open up open up that's how you get to sleep you know

I don't like sleep beside people but if you got a girlfriend no but for girls isn't that crazy 8% or whatever it was, better sleep for girls being next to a guy.

It's fucking bullshit. Yeah, because they probably feel like a little safer. Yeah. I'll tell you, you have less space. Less lonely. But back to BFVR,

that's going to be, the pedophiles are going to have a fucking field day like that. Hey, man, I didn't want to go there, but you already know. Yo, did you see? All of a sudden, that Balenciaga ad

is going to make a comeback. That little girl with the fucking teddy bear. Disgusting. You could be there on the set. Yes, you could be the photographer now. There's going to be all these academics doing papers about like, is this fine? Yep.

All that stuff. Do you see that play actually that's happening in New York right now? No. I actually was like, maybe I want to go watch it just to see there's a play uh the washington post posted about it and i can't remember what it's called but it's about four sex offenders who are living together in like i guess i don't know if it's a halfway house or something and it's just like it's exploring sex of like how what it's like to be a sex offender and all these people are like all twitter is just like wood chipper wood chipper

it also would be difficult to write that play and then you know just be like i would never but just it seems like one of those things that like imagine you had a buddy that was just like yeah i just spent the last year like writing play about five pedophiles like and they're the protagonist well they're not all pedophiles but i think like one of them is like it's real but anytime you hear sex offender you think pedophile yeah yeah for sure even if it's like regardless they're like it's just a weird dynamic for like a play it's like an off-broadway just yeah because they're all sitting in the one room then the sets come out and blah it's just like a awkward thing to watch yeah It's a lost cause.

Anytime you're like I want to demystify pitiful. Don't do it. But there are a lot of people trying. I want to sensibilize so we can bring out I mean Washington Post

was like this is an amazing play. Of course. The artsy fartsy people are the people left or right will never jump on that. Tickets on like a Tuesday night for this shit

are like a hundred bucks. I was like who the fuck is paying this? For the rich people who diddle kids. I think it's a honey pot yeah you walk in the thing and it's like right in the cops that's just so dark man dude thank you for coming through my pleasure but yeah next time you're coming from longer you should come to spots at cellar or something like that some shit you guys

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