The Boyscast with Ryan Long - Dave Smith On Why The Government Is A Band Of Criminals

Episode Date: November 15, 2022

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Presidente. Are you sick of people saying that? No, I really enjoy it. I mean, I don't ever want to be president, but I like people calling me that a lot. What is it? So, basically, probably the thing that was actually making me laugh is you'd be the first president to vape during the debate. I'd like it. I think it's better if it's like a real press conference where I'm like announcing a military action.

I'm like, I have approved targeted strikes. Remember how hard they were doing Trump for the way he drank water and stuff? He'd be like, look how he's vaping. You'd be like, he's vaping all week. We're like, these motherfuckers, they got it coming. We'll be fine. None of our people are going to die.

Dude, I honestly did get into the drama when you were taking over. Can you explain kind of like layman's terms of what happened? Because it was almost like inter-party drama that you're kind of like, wow, whatever. That shit always happens. It's like politics. But your thing me it was almost like inner party drama that you kind of like wow whatever that shit always happens it's like politics and then but your thing it was like these like younger guys just took over like a political party and i know you so it was like

yo this is crazy yeah it was kind of crazy for me too right because it was kind of it was like the the libertarian party is the third biggest political party in the country and they're like they're they're like we're the libertarians but then there was this whole group of like people who are libertarians outside of the party that i kind of you know was one of and then started to rise up and be kind of one of the bigger voices in and then we hated what they were doing with the libertarian party then they it's not even just that they could have just done their own thing and we probably wouldn't have even noticed but then they started talking shit about all of us like the head of the libertarian party the last guy or two guys ago he started like calling ron paul a racist and like all these people who we love yeah and so

then eventually a few of us were like you know what we're just gonna take over this party and make it ours and audience and they were like okay sure you're gonna take our party over and then we're like no no we're actually gonna do that and then we all joined and took it over is there any sort of like internal election like electoral yeah there's a whole like dumb you know democratic democracy sucks yeah but there's there's a whole process of how you have to go in and register and then vote but our people were that pissed off and were that willing to be like no no if there's going to be a third party that calls itself libertarian they should at least represent what most libertarians believe in which is not like what was coming out of the lp was like you must be anti-racist or whatever yeah that's not mixed up with that that's not what we're for

so like stop tarnishing our name and then and yeah we's not mixed up with that that's not what we're for so like stop tarnishing our name and then and yeah we took the whole thing over so it's an interesting thing i guess a lot of people will say about the libertarian party it's almost like it's a lot of people that they weren't able to get a seat in the other party so they'll kind of it's almost like a career move of like it's like that guy who beats like a weatherman but he really wants to work at cnn or something you know what i mean yes well there's so there's been a lot of that There's been a lot of that But I think what our camp who just took it over which is like the Mises caucus if people don't know that's that we are

The ones who just like won every seat What is it? And so like I kind of know generally what it is. Well, it's basically the Ron Paul libertarians right kind of like the the libertarians who are like really about like being opposed to like the war uh being opposed to wars being opposed to central banks being opposed to like crazy government authoritarianism but not the ones who are one of the pussy libertarians the pussy libertarians are like okay well we believe in freedom and so your six-year-old should have the freedom to be a girl even if he's a boy and we're like no that's not really what we were taking that logical thread. They're sort of, they're just sort of trying to like make, say the same thing.

Everyone else is saying, but like string together some like freedom logic or something. They try to almost use it as if like, well, our philosophy is about like liberation from all abstract constraints, like your dad's a dick or whatever. You know, you're like, no, that's not like what we're about. What we're about is like this real shit that we think actually matters. And so there were a lot of people like that

who were like, okay, well, they can't win as a Republican or a Democrat anymore. So maybe they'll come over to the Libertarian Party. But I think our thing is much more like, no, we really don't believe in what those people believe in yeah and you see what you see through them when they're trying to pull that shit where they're trying to be like we're coming over and you're like i don't know like well even like well they had a stronghold on it sort of right but yeah for a while people were even saying to me

like recently uh because tulsi gabbard just left the the democrats and they're like oh she should come over the libertarians don't you want her to come over and I'm like if she's one of us like if she if she were to fucking reach out to me and be like hey I've been reading about the shit you guys believe in and I believe in that now I'd be like yeah absolutely come over but if not yeah no yeah go to fucking Yang yeah I'm not just trying to get like the most popular fucking person I can get I kind of sort of does yeah because you're right the you want to have that thing where the thing you're saying is almost bigger than the people the people could could switch to someone else you know well the point of like if you have like a third party that's like well look this is what we believe the the point isn't that you're like obviously right now it's

not like oh we're gonna win over we're win. The libertarians are going to get 51% of the population, and we're going to be the fucking. But the point is. Imagine that. You're like, that was crazy. All right. Man, if that happens, I'm going to look like an asshole after all this. I'm going to be like. When you're the president.

No, you win. And you're going to be like, ah, shit. Yeah, that's your speech. You're like, pretty wild, right? Dude, my wife's going to be like Melania, but who speaks fluent English. She's just going to be like, I didn't fucking agree to this shit, okay? You would be, that is, I mean, sorry, I've just finished your thing.

Well, I'm just saying with the point, but the thing is if you have a little group, right, like a small, a third party, and not a small third party, like the Libertarians compared to the Democrats and Republicans are small, but they get millions of votes for their presidential candidates.

And there's like a lot of power in that and that's kind of like the idea of like taking over that party that it's like you can kind of use that in a way where so if there's like um let's say you're polling at three percent in a statewide senate race but the republican is losing by two percent like, your 3% all of a sudden is a big deal. And then you could be like, hey, if you guys run Lindsey Graham, we're going to ruin it for you so you can't win. But if you run Rand Paul, we'll let you win. And so now, even though you're only polling at 3%,

you could have a huge impact on that. So that's kind of the idea is, like, people who actually care about, like, moving things in a better direction and just being like, yeah, you know, we don't want to be a fucking country that fights fucking dumb wars and a country that spends ourselves into debt. I don't know. I just want to have like a good fucking a good society for my kids to grow up in and running on.

Things are getting pretty weird. I just want everyone to have a skank fest. I want my kids to have a skank fest of their own one day. Skank fest is a basic human right. It's official platform. But it is. Skank fest for all. You know what?

I felt like the one thing that like a lot of people that lose unless they're, you know, super saying all the exact like industry stuff. It's almost like if you want to say anything interesting and it's not just in politics, but in like entertainment, if you want to be a podcast, if you want to do anything interesting in any sort of cultural space, you have to be okay with a lot of people saying bad things about you. And I feel like so many people are so afraid of that, that it just they'll lose or no one will care.

Whereas like kind of even what you're saying, like even if uh let's say you were saying something about like guns and they're like well some kids are gonna die and then a lot of people will kind of be like uh well not really either and you're just like yes that is correct some kids might die because of this that's yes there's it's not all positive what i'm saying every thing has and you i think you said like owning the negative parts of your uh of your arguments because the every thing has like a negative part and they try to pretend they don't exist you're like it's like when last part of this is like when they say inflation or whatever and you go well jobs will go down a little bit and they go no they won't you go okay they will just admit that and own it. I remember hearing when I, yes, yes, completely.

I remember when, when Biden was running for president, he, they did a debate. It was like the first post COVID debate right after COVID, right after the lockdowns happened. And it was him and Bernie Sanders. And I think Bernie had just had a heart attack. Like they were reeling Bernie Sanders out there to like, like and they i don't know if you remember this but they did like a debate it was just the two of them and they were like socially distanced like it was we were all in the height like the first two weeks of lockdowns and then they were like well we have a presidential debate so here's what we'll do and like the studio was like everyone was like set up

and they were like way far away on the podium yeah i do. Yeah, I do remember this, I think. And I remember Biden's thing is he looked into the camera and he went, look, if you elect me, I promise everyone will be made whole. Like, whatever money you lost from this lockdown, you'll get that money back. Whatever this cost you, we'll get it. And it was like, that to me was like the perfect encapsulation of what politics today is.

Yeah. It's because we're locking down the country and let me just tell you, this will cost you nothing. And then you're like, how? There will be no costs

associated with shutting everything down. And you're like, what adult is supposed to believe this? How could anyone look at that and go, there will be no external costs of any of this? that's because nobody asked him to go how but that's but but it's

connected to what you said yeah you're like if you ever tell the truth we're now in a world where you'll be beat by anyone who's like but there's a problem with the truth that's correct i remember being uh my sister is like my sister's real real smart and she's a college professor at a like a really good fucking university and she's very very smart but her yeah and she's almost on tenure uh but but she's her politics are not good but she's a great person and she's very smart but all her friends are college professors and i was at her my sister's house and i'm at my sister's house my wife at my sister's house and my sister and my brother-in-law and like my family and her friends who are all college professors and we were we had dinner you

were a bunch of college professors yeah your wife probably got real yeah it was one day enjoy your veal then i'm like i would put a hook He'd hand you the jewel like a pacifier. He'd be like, just Dave, Dave. You're like, okay, okay. No, but we're in the living room. We're having a drink after dinner. And there's this guy who's a college professor. And this motherfucker is brilliant.

Like, I've talked to him a bunch. He was like a fucking expert in the history of China. And he fucking lived in China for years. And he's teaching me all this fucking shit. Like it's just really, really smart. But I remember we're in her living room having drinks and he like kind of leaned in at one point. And he goes, I'm going to be honest with you, dude.

I actually agree with a lot of your politics. And I was like, what are you doing? Why are you whispering, motherfucker? Like we're in my sister's living room. Like you're safe. Just talk to me like a fucking normal person. It's like KGB. Like, even there.

But isn't that, it's almost like we live in North Korea. Like, he was, like, worried that one of the other people there might hear him. Well, that'll get around the school. And they'll be like, yo, you know what? He's, like, not what he seems. He might be right. He's like, I'm saying something that could ruin me, motherfucker. Like, I'm telling you.

Did I hear your podcast is entertaining? Yeah. Like, dude, I actually fucking something that could ruin me, motherfucker. Like, I'm telling you. Did I hear your podcast is entertaining? Yeah. Like, dude, I actually fucking think you make a lot of sense. But it's a weird thing where you're like, yeah, I get it. Like, a lot of people, even people who are really fucking smart and really know their shit are just not built for that. They're not built for. And this is why through COVID, so many people were fucking scared to come out. Even really smart people who knew what was up they're scared to come out because a lot of people like

respond to social psychology cues and if everyone's gonna call you a fucking like really mean name they're like i'm not ready for that sure and then you have the occasional person like the alex baronson who's like i love the idea of that yeah fucking call me a nazi please you know i mean the amount of people they did that and then you're like yeah that person just said something and they lost their job so i don't know but this is why i kind of like i don't really want to do that like you stick your you stick your neck out and you go okay well that's what we've started to say because a lot of times people will be like everyone needs to stand up for this and this and i'm like yo he's not like that like you i have friends and i'm just like no they shouldn't

because it's like you know the idea of, like, sometimes you need to stand up to your bully. It's like, you ever seen the kid that, like, the wrong kid that's like, today's the day this ends, and the bully's like, yeah, okay, I'm just going to kick his shit out of you harder. The guy just gets kicked up. They put him in a puddle, and he's like,

well, that was bad advice, Dad. Like, yeah, it's nothing's ever, nothing's ever so black and white. Nothing's ever so black and white, Nothing's ever so black and white. You got to stand up to your fucking bully. And it's like, this guy's robbing me at gunpoint. Nah, I'm standing up to this fucking bully. And you're like, probably, you know what?

Just let this guy bully you and take your wallet. So that is, right? Yeah, you go, I don't know what the best case scenario is in that thing. And that's where people go, well, what else do I do? And I go, yeah, you're right. It's a complicated question. Like maybe you try to make friends with the right people. I don't know, maybe, like who knows what exactly you do.

And then, and that, right. So it's like a real fucking little nuanced lane you got to fill. So like you guys are a good example of like, where, okay, yeah, there's a lot of people who like lost their jobs and their lives were ruined for not following like whatever the woke ideology of the day is.

But then you guys found a way to make fucking videos that are really mocking it but they were funny enough where enough people loved it that it's like oh you guys actually made a big thing off of that sure and so there's still people who would like to ruin you if they could but you've all but then there's also like the angle of like you found and you haven't quite given them like the excuse a lot of people really fuck up by giving them the excuse to like it's there's also like the angle of like you found and you haven't quite given them like the excuse a lot of people really fuck up by giving them the excuse to like it's there's this thing where a lot of people that is a good that is a solid example but a lot of those alt-right guys like i feel like i feel like half those kids didn't even believe the most fucked up part of the shit they were saying it was just like well if you're gonna to call me a Nazi for whatever I say,

I'm just going to be a Nazi. You know, like, oh, you call me a Nazi, then I'll just be a Nazi. And then those go, you know what? Hitler was great. And then they get fucking like, are you not? And you're like, I don't even know anymore. I don't know. And then they, they realize they're like, oh, now I gave them the

excuse for everyone to go, well, don't we have to cancel Nazis? And now, okay. Now you're fucking ruined and you can't get a job. Yeah. Of course. Sure. Like ever. And just cause you like now, okay, now you're fucking ruined and you can't get a job and all that shit. Yeah, of course, or like ever. And just because you like have this weird phase where you're just like. It takes like discipline, right?

And I think that the same way that certain people aren't meant to like stand up to a mob, also certain people aren't meant to have like a spotlight on them while they're kind of being manic. Like, you know what I mean? Yep. It's like, you know know it takes like it does take so much discipline because you're right you do want it like i often you do want to do those

things but it's like you're playing chess not fucking hitting each other with clubs it's like you know it's like if you want to do anything good artistically at least anyway it's gonna take like tact right so it's not just about like like with the example of yelling at your wife in a fight or yeah you know what real men do is you know maybe just come home a little later every day for the Right so it's not just about like like with the example of yelling at your wife in a fight or yeah You know what real men do is you know, maybe just come home a little later every day for the next year But also not being but also not being like okay, so you don't ever want to like be like, um Like you want to be the man in your relationship But you also don't want to not

care about what your wife is upset about like that the Correct answer is actually that you have to find like the right kind of middle ground with like all this nuance and so with a lot of this stuff it's like you you know with the example we were just saying like of like standing up to the bully when a guy's mugging you at gunpoint it's like nope not now in this in this scenario the correct reaction is just to fucking concede that this guy's got you but then at some point point when there's like a winnable fight, it might be like, no, you have to pick your battle right now and fight that guy. So that's kind of the weird thing.

And then there are some people who lose their jobs. And it's very much like that. Comedy is so much like that where you're like, oh, what's the correct scenario to do in this thing? And you're like, maybe it was to like have this big blow up on this guy and maybe it wasn't. Yeah. And then you find that out. That's a big part doing stand-up is figuring out exactly where that line is and then

you go a little bit over it then you're like oh but if i come right up to it and don't cross it then that's perfect and that's the perfect fucking place to be so so yeah a lot of times i see like people's you know meltdowns it's like i don't see it as like brave i see it as like undisciplined almost yeah you know what i mean that's like a's like an MMA guy that starts biting the guy or something. Yes. No, what's brave is like in comedy, like Chappelle on For What It's Worth, How Old is 15 Really? That's like, you know the joke I'm talking about.

That's the perfect example of like brave. He took it right to the end of where the crowd's like and then by the time he hits the punchline they're like fuck that's hilarious that's perfect that's the thing losing the whole crowd and just like fucking me like fuck all you fucking cunts are like all right this is weird that's not brave that's just undisciplined like unless you're filming it to show to someone else like unless they were like the gay yeah right right yeah like and then that would that could be pretty cool yeah like what are you optimizing for right but anyway it's all kind of like it's interesting how all these things kind

of like you know are they're kind of similar like there's things about comedy and like your views in the world and all of it it's all kind of an art form in a way but we do we live in really really crazy weird times and that's not that is the worst times ever there's been there's been worse times than what we live in these are just particularly weird times that we live in it's hard to know how it's going to shake out too that's like i mean generally you never really know but this one you're like this is so many unprecedented things happening yeah simultaneously that are all pretty large scale. How do you think shakes out in the next 10 years? Is it more decentralization?

I guess probably the real answer is your percentages of what the possibilities are. I don't like even saying, oh, what's going to happen? Because i think it's like what could what's gonna happen is what people make happen so it's the question is what people are gonna do talking is changing those outcomes right the future isn't predetermined and if it was i wouldn't even fucking talk about any of this shit like why would i it's like well it's gonna happen anyway um i think that the great, we almost have somewhat of a binary like split where we're either going to have some really creepy like technocracy type shit, you know, like a China kind of style. Yeah.

But like kind of, yeah, something like that, like where you're like, well, there's a digital government backed currency and they can shut you off any time. Or we're going to have a massive decentralization and break up all this fucking power. And you're going to see, I think, maybe even secessionist movements where Texas breaks off, California breaks off, all these countries. And I think that's the much better outcome than centralized states getting more and more power.

Or we're all going to die in nuclear war within the next month. Yes. Which is also possible. What are the chances of that? I mean, the US government was buying the radiation pills. You see that? The US government literally just put in a huge order for radiation pills.

You see them running ads in New York about what to do if a nuclear bomb explodes. And the things are all pretty like that. Can't imagine that would help. Yeah. I mean, none of it's good. No, it's all basically honest either. Cause you're like, that's a different thing.

If you're in Manhattan, there's nothing you can do because that's where they're going to strike and you're going to die instantly. But the fact that they're running these videos, like that, they're like, um, go inside, stay away from the windows. He doesn't know. And you're like, wait. So the question is, why would they even be saying that? And the only thing I can think of is that, you know, they go, if the moment were to come, when it's announced,

they want people not to panic. Because they're trying to get their fucking people out. They're trying to get their elite people to fucking flee where they need to flee. So they're like, you just go inside and just don't worry i mean there must be like you must have several hours of notice like if a nuke like gets fired on you know manhattan i assume it's coming from what overseas or some shit i mean i don't think i don't know about several hours i think that if it was coming from russia i'd have to look i know people who fucking know this shit a lot better than me i think that i think like you might have 30 minutes

or something like that with what what putin claims he has i think it'd be something like that we we could fucking nuke russia from our i mean we got fucking like dual missile launchers in poland oh for sure that shit we could get over to russia quick but it doesn't really matter yeah like once they're off in the air, they're all off in the air. This is the fucked up thing about nuclear fucking world cap. If yours go off, the other ones go off. As soon as one is launched, a whole bunch are going to be launched and then a whole bunch are going to be launched

in response and then basically the world's over. Now I don't think that's going to happen. Do you have a bunker? No, I really want one. But I don't have one yet. If you're listening, if you have a bunker for me, it's a great area. I would love a fucking seat. Nobody has a car in New York. So like to get out without a car of the city,

you're not going to get out. If you're in New York City, but everybody's trying to like panic, you're probably better off running than you are driving. You are so fucked. But you know, you aren't. Dude,

I was fucking me and me and Tim were talking about it on my podcast here. Yeah, with the Tim Dillon, we're talking about it and like, and I fucking like I, you know, I try to like break all the shit down. And like I was just my clip on Rogan that I was on that went like real viral and like where it's like I'm going like, Well, look, here's what happened. And here's why we're provoking Russia. And here's the whole history of the conflict. But like Tim just fucking just goes do you really care it's like

he just brings it down so simply he's like you care about the donbass region but you care who rules donbass yeah we want to risk nuclear war over but the truth is that this is like the closest we've been to nuclear war since at least the 80s like there's really never been any but we're actually like i mean if you just think about it we're like okay we are like actively arming a war on russia's border yeah i mean i'm talking about like fucking like miles off of russia's border like a few miles like 5 000 miles, like 5,000 miles from our border, like three miles from their border. And we're setting all these weapons in and we're going and Biden and the administration is going, we have to win.

Yeah, we must crush them here. And they're going, you crush us here and we will fucking nuke you. Like, that's what they're saying. And Biden said specifically, he goes, this is not a bluff. This is not a bluff. We will launch nukes. is this is not a bluff. This is not a bluff.

We will launch nukes. And so I'd still like to think the overwhelming odds are he wouldn't actually do that because fuck, the whole world's over if he does that. And then you'd think like even people under him

maybe just wouldn't follow the orders. Even if he was like, send the nukes, there'd be someone who's like, maybe that guy has a kid at home. You know, and it's just like,

no, I won't. There's usually like one guy that sort of stops it, right? So that's what, yeah, that's what you hope. But the chances are a lot higher than they were in fucking 1995. For sure. Like a lot worse. And that's not good.

You know what's kind of making me, like I was thinking that, you know, even I feel like people that are like into all that whatever industry mainstream stuff will say like people don't really get cancelled like you know what I mean so you go okay you're right they tried to make Alex Jones disappear you probably made more money and maybe made his voice more important and might say the same about Andrew Tate or all these people right and you're like it is kind

of true that yeah you used to be able to but now no one works for you and you don't really have that and you go you also can't cancel countries it's almost like they still think that they could like they can make people disappear we can make your country disappear and it's like you're like oh for five in all of them but they still keep just trying to you know what i mean like they're like we'll make your country not a country and it's kind of like i don't know i vietnam or whatever where it just kind of goes on forever it's like like, that's how all of the wars are, even in culture or something. But they just,

it's like they have more, and then you go, you kind of lost that fight. It's like the Conor McGregor just keeps like, not really winning and everyone just keeps letting him fight. And he still has this like idea that he's,

it feels like the United States government kind of operates like that a little bit. because they perceive themselves as the, you know, the world's police, right? If you look at the record. They feel like they're like, we have to do this. They don't. Well, they'll say shit like, rates like that because they perceive themselves as the you know the world's police right they feel like they're like we have to do this they don't well they'll say shit like where they're um i

remember like hillary clinton said at one point she had some line where she goes just uh it shows you like how much they think of like america as the empire yeah like we just own everything but she goes she said uh russia has amassed troops right on Russia's, right on NATO's doorstep. And by that she meant Russia's border. 05.00 Yeah, I know. 05.00 NATO has moved all the way over to Russia's border. And then she goes, look, they got their troops right on NATO's doorstep. Like as if they moved over to Germany.

05.01 Yeah. 05.01 But it's kind of like, she's like, well, the whole world belongs to us. So why would you not? 05.03 There is this tremendous, like this hubris, like that we could just do anything. Yeah. And fucking take out all.

Manifest destiny. Now, I don't agree with those people. You know, you could think of those examples, like, I think Andrew Tate's interesting. And I don't know that much about him. I heard so much more about him after he got canceled than I ever did before he was. Yeah, I haven't watched any of it either. So I don't know. You know, I've seen like a few clips from him and stuff but

i don't really know like that much to comment on him but i will say that there are a lot of people like if you say oh if you get canceled it only makes you bigger no i don't think that's always like i mean i just know a lot of people who don't cancel the message very big and got completely canceled and are like removed. If you go look at him, like him just after the fact, cause he's like on rumble now. Well, you're like,

he lost. Well, he's done, but he's done interviews with, well, sure. But he's done interviews with Pierce Morgan and with, uh,

you know, uh, Patrick, but David and the things that get millions of views and stuff. But if you go to like, okay, Milo Yiannopoulos, however you feel about him was huge.

Like he had millions of followers and whatever he did, like generated a big story. And like, what's he doing now? I have no idea. He's completely removed. Multiple things are happening simultaneously. Right? Like if you think of even just like a way a band is right.

Like when you think of like Limbus get at their prime and then two years later you go, you think of even just like a way a band is right like when you think of like limbis get at their prime and then two years later you go you heard of what they do it's like he got kicked out the internet you go i don't know if that was the whole reason like people do have a rise and fall especially in the like i'll become the number one century like no one stays that forever so people so right so so milo might have fallen anyway not like well his moment might have come and passed everyone but we don't know because he got fucking banned off all this shit so maybe that's what would happen or maybe he would have been bigger now than he ever was

yeah i just don't know i but so there's a lot of that shit and there are a lot of people who aren't even names that probably any of us would know who just fucking get kicked off that shit when they were just fucking getting popular. The extent that Trump disappeared from the entire discussion in the world, the way he was, he dominated everything. He doesn't get a voice in it anymore. That's what I'm saying. He's still part of the discussion, but it's just what everyone else is saying about him rather than him getting to say the thing that they have to react to.

It's a real interesting thing. Yeah, unless you watch OAN or something where they might cover his rallies. Other than that, they talk about him a little bit. They'll give a little snippet of something wacky that he said, but it's always a short gotcha and that's it. None of the substance. It's just a short little gotcha, something gaff, and then move on. He's a gotcha and that's it. Like none of the substance is just like short little gotcha, something gaff and then move on.

Like his knee to arm and then just like gone. No, you definitely, I mean, it kind of reminds of like a guy that like was on the Howard Stern show. Then he's not. And you're like, what's that guy up to? And you go, you know, no one checked. Who the fuck knows? I know people who I liked who were like kicked off YouTube.

And then I've even seen their thing where they're like, come subscribe over at this website. And you're just never go because i don't know dude i just i go on youtube and it recommends shit to me and i don't know it's always telling me i want to watch ben shapiro and i don't but they're always telling me i do yeah they got like dude we know who you are you want to watch ben shapiro the algorithm does yeah the algorithm's like we got time man that is so funny you're like i don't really know if i want to watch ben shapiro they're Ben Shapiro. The algorithm does that. The algorithm's like, we got time, man. That is so funny. You're like,

I don't really know if I want to watch Ben Shapiro. They're like, Dave, it's us here. Dave, you want to watch Ben Shapiro. Trust me. Dude, Dave, your wife's in the other room. He's about to dunk on a nine-year-old.

And eventually, they're kind of right. Like, eventually, you're like, your wife's in the other room. And I'm like, she is. All right, Ben,

what do you got? And he's like, well, let me tell you about the Democrats. All right. And then Dave's wife comes back and you're editing benji bureau destroys clips i'm coming to bed i'm coming give me a few minutes yeah you just dunked on this 17 year old it's so cool you haven't done a ton of the college kid debates you actually do try to debate like real people mostly yeah because have you a ton of the college kid debates. You actually do try to debate real people mostly. Yeah, because I fucking hate that shit.

Have you done any of the debating just a total retard? I've done a few. I've had a few debates where I... But it was always where I didn't realize until we started debating that the person was like, oh, you're a fucking really of nothing. But I don't particularly like that. And the people i'm talking about

were not 18 they were like adults who just happen to turn out to be retarded yeah but that like i don't i hate i hate fucking owning an 18 year old yeah it's like it's i i think probably for a period in time like around 2016 or something when Milo and Ben Shapiro, and they would go to college campuses. There's fires. It might have been necessary to demonstrate to everyone that these fucking college kids who are saying all this shit is like. She doesn't know what she's talking about.

They don't know what they're talking about. And if they're actually confronted with anyone who kind of knows, they fall to pieces. So that was maybe necessary. But at a certain point. That was a moment. Well, their voices were being kind of disproportionately heard for some reason yes so like there was necessary to have that counterbalance and sure so that period of time whatever it was when the big

like uh you know you say you say that yeah when the the glasses natural thing okay fine so maybe that was a time that was needed but after a while i feel this way like a lot with Trump too. This is why I don't want Trump to run again. And I don't want, because it's like, okay, that was good. That was almost like maybe necessary for the time. Yeah. For you to just fuck up.

Oh, he owned all the libs. Yeah. But at a certain point, you're like, okay, we need a little bit more than that. We need a little bit more than just like, oh, you dunked on an 18 year old. We need to like, let's actually have a really good conversation with two 45 year olds who like know what the they're talking about and like it's like what are we really doing here sure what's i think there's a lot of things it's kind of like you know even like you could i always say this about like dudes at 18 they're like

a lot of them need a guy to shake them up like a military sergeant type guy right or you know what like yeah if you're a weight loss like you know what i mean you're like 400 pounds a certain type of dude might respond to a guy that's like get your fucking shit together fuck you stop being a little bitch but like once you're down to your like normal weight and you're actually in pretty good shape you're like i don't know if i need that guy still yeah you motherfucker and you're like yeah dude i'm working out like we're actually mr goggins i don't need this anymore can we just I'm actually We're having a nuanced conversation About like What nutrients

We want to get in the diet And what exercise And he's like You fucking nothing And you're like Yeah I'm Actually Things are going good now

So Right well That was kind of like Like Jordan Peterson Was like that To some extent I felt like I really liked

What he was doing Yeah right And you're like Like you'd be like You know forget about The problems of the world You have to clean your room And you're like, you'd be like, forget about the problems of the world. You have to clean your room

and you're like, excellent advice for a 22 year old. Here's the thing. My room's clean. Like my room's clean. My kids' rooms are clean. So like now let's talk

about the fucking world. You know what I mean? Run a successful business. Yeah, like I'm, okay, good advice for starting off but now let's fucking talk about something else.

And so that's like, there's, it's almost like getting, even getting Donald Trump elected was, I think it was probably more good than bad in that there needed to be some jolt to the system, but then it just fucking made everyone go more crazy. And now it's like, all right. You know, you always go, what do we want to do now? Like, where are we at? where are we going from here? Because this is now in a lot of different ways. You're like, okay, so what are we doing?

We're printing $6 trillion a year and we're flirting with a nuclear war and we're locking down our fucking country and we're $30 trillion in debt. And the whole culture is just completely dissolved. And you're like, okay, so what's the plan? Trump again? Is Trump again really the answer to that i don't think so i don't you know and i do i i don't know man i'm interested i'm interested to see where this all goes sounds like dave smith the answer yeah i mean if it's who is i don't think i'm the answer to anything like who's the favorites right now uh for the republican desantis i mean i think

the favorite is still trump probably but i think desantis is like a fucking not far outside it'll be like shocking and then what like i guess biden said he is but he says he is but everyone around him everyone around him seems to be like maybe well then i think that one of the biggest things where you know someone's not going to run is all the main publications start saying something bad about them. You'll see Vice do a thing about how Biden's actually not doing that good.

And you're like, oh, did the memo get out that he's out? It kind of feels like that. Well, I saw a thing. It's always one day where it's like, a hundred articles about how this guy's bad. It happens like that. Well, this is all Just like I don't know this at all

This is all just complete conspiracy Like speculation So I don't know if this is true But I don't know if you guys saw Like a couple weeks ago There was like a big You know when these stories In like major publications

Run based on leaks Yeah Like they're like Unofficial sources in the FBI Say blah blah blah And so there was a story Unofficial sources In the Washington Post

That was just like Unofficial sources in the FBI say blah, blah, blah. And so there was a story in the Washington post that was just like unofficial sources in the FBI say that, um, Hunter Biden could be charged with all of these crimes and I thought is that that's the establishment letting Joe Biden know, like just being like, Hey motherfucker, we're protecting your boy, but we don't have to, so like, just so you know, you know, like that's, that, we're protecting your boy, but we don't have to. So just so you know, that's how I take it. I don't know if that's right or not, but I take it like him being like,

hey, look, your son could spend the rest of his fucking life in prison. You could play ball. You could just do what we tell you to do. Your son's a drug addict who might rat on his dad. And maybe there is an implication like you could be, go down too. Yeah, you're like, well, you're gonna.

So I think that's kind of almost like they're like, look, if we don't want you to run again, you're not gonna fucking run again. All right. Yeah. I can't imagine many,

and again, the way the economy's going, like who knows what it's gonna be like in six months, let alone two years. Like we could be facing an absolutely completely different scenario.

Yeah, we're in a real, real precarious position. Like the nerve of him too to be like the, the cpi or whatever was like went down like 0.1 and he's like it's unchanged it's still at eight percent yeah and he's just like well it's like it's basically he said yeah that's great he goes yeah he says we're doing great inflation like you know in the way biden does it he goes inflation's at zero yeah let me repeat that again zero and you're like dude, it has gone up zero in the last month.

But over the year, it's the highest in 40 years. Yeah. Like, that's insane. You know, the balls. And it works, too, though. So I would say. Because nobody knows how shit works. No one knows any of this shit.

Dude, yeah, that's what we were talking about. They literally had a headline where there was like inflation got so bad. So to help stop it, they're going to hand out transfer. They're going to like hand everyone payments. Yeah. And he goes, where does that come from? But it's hard. It's hard.

Inflation is an interesting thing when it, particularly when it spills over to like the CPI and like prices are actually rising. It's one of those things that's much harder to hide from people. Like who? When your average person goes and the thing they buy every day for the last year... Is all of a sudden up, you know? And there's a weird like a...

Like kind of a mental component to inflation too because a lot of businesses are going to be like, well, I'm expecting prices to go up so I'm just going to raise my prices now. So then there isn't even actual inflation for their like whatever their costs

and products or whatever but then they're just like, we're just going to raise it expecting it. And then everything's just more expensive now. Yeah. There's no dollar slice pizza anymore. Yeah. Yeah. Like that, like literally Joe Biden killed dollar slice pizza. The price of grocery is, if you go to your grocery store, the price of everything is way up or so my wife tells me, I don't do it. I'm not going to do it myself. I assume she's telling the truth. You go, hey, did you spend a thousand dollars shopping?

You go, yeah, Biden's fucking nuts. You go, Dave, five bananas is $90. Can you believe that? She goes, Dave, did you spend $6,000 at the strip club? I go, Biden, the Federal Reserve, baby, I love you. I would have been 45 bucks in 96 are you kidding you live tired but she does fucking like my wife does all the fucking shopping but she does she'll be like hey you know like she'll be like just telling me like you know these strawberries these organic strawberries were four dollars and they're nine dollars and fifty cents down there's like all these things like we're like and and I'm lucky enough that,

you know, I'm not really in a position where I'm like, oh my God. But you look at that and you go, I try to imagine. Yeah, yeah.

Sure, sure, sure. This is how every podcast goes at some point. It's okay. He's the piss man. Wow. And it's not even supply chain. Remember?

I like to think that's like the opposite of like, you know, Carson. If he liked you, he'd give you like, okay. have ryan doesn't like you he just goes yeah he's just like downstairs it's like on his phone like he's doing a set right now like it's just remember it's like so they were like it's all supply chain they go like supply chain is all fucked up covid all this stuff that's why everything's so expensive. And you go, okay, well, that's kind of over.

Right. I was like, we're not, we're still, we're not saying that anymore. And I think there probably is something to the fucking truth of the supply chain, but you're like, but even that you'd go like, okay, well, like, I don't know, fucking I'm, I'm 39. I'm going to be 40 next year. So I've been alive for a little while. Like, why is the supply chain never been an issue before?

We've always needed shit. There's always been fucking ports and trucks and fucking factories and all this shit. So why did it fuck up? It's like, oh, yeah, because you fucking locked down the entire world. Yeah, they locked down the whole world. But also China, like they were locking down their country. Yes, yeah. No, I'm not saying, I'm saying lots of countries did it.

But you locked down all of the major industrial countries and printed trillions of dollars. And all of them did this, too. Like all the European central banks fucking followed with us. So, OK, you stopped producing and started printing money. And that led to price inflation. Who? Yes, obviously. It's like that fucking simple.

And then like to try to even make it like there's anything else happening. And they go, well, you know, the real problem is that Putin invaded Ukraine. Yeah. Yeah. That's really what fucking. I mean, at least in a little fucking Europe. Jesus Christ. I never realized like the crazy difference between natural gas prices in Europe and like the US.

It's like triple the price or something there. Yeah. Well, that's changed. That's changed a lot like in the last few years, but they're really like, it's weird how it went in the same way that like, if you had said like five years ago, they're going to do lockdowns, it'd have been like,

that sounds ridiculous. Yeah. But then it happened. Yeah. Like, well, I guess that's the thing that can happen. And in the same way, like I remember when AOC first proposed the Green New Deal, like a lot of people were like, ah, she's a thing that can happen and in the same way like I remember when AOC first proposed the Green New Deal Like a lot of people were like, haha. She's a dumb bitch Yeah, she doesn't understand how an economy works and now they're like implementing it everywhere and you're like, oh

Yeah It's the whole thing where people are like don't worry like, you know, he said I don't know about this I was like, yeah, don't worry like you're crazy're crazy, man. It's your wife or your girl. She says something, you're like, no, it's gaslighting. You're like, you're crazy. It's not going to happen. And then it's like happening. We're just going to write it down and sign it.

Like, don't flip out about what happened. We do this all the time. It's literally on the level of them being like, you know, it's very weird because there's a lot of things. We take a lot of shit for granted. Like, that's kind of like where we're at in the level of society we just take a lot of for granted and it's impossible not to how do you of course yeah like it's just like it's all relative the idea that like when you go to the atm the cash is going to come out and someone else

will accept that cash it's just something you do you know you turn the light switch on and the lights go on because that's how it works direction you are probably the only one that i feel like i'm constantly don't like when i'm like lost and i found someone that actually sorts out i actually still have it in my head like that i'm old enough to be like man like imagine i didn't have this like i do think that i think that's the only one that i think about it a lot right and sometimes uber eats maybe and that so that but even that so that's the i i i i'm with you on that but that's the that like we're of the age where this wasn't always here but then there's shit that like what i'm talking about you flip a light switch and that makes the lights go on of course that is just how the world works of course this little white switch gets flipped up and these lights go on but we

don't think about how much work there is to go into that and what they're attacking right now yeah and what the whole but the whole basis of advanced society is that we have fucking power yeah like that's the whole thing if we don't have that none of this fucking works anymore and they're actually attacking that they're going you shouldn't burn fossil fuels and you're like okay but that's how then what the lights go on yeah like well we should do it in a different way like wind or solar and you're like okay but there's not enough of that and it's not to power any advanced country i mean you know it's up when elon musk is like the guy selling electric cars is like no we do need to be burning fossil fuels he's like we're not like there yet because there's no it's not even if you actually

like looking in this at all it's not even like there's any debate it's like the question is do you do we all want to live like people in nigeria or do we want to keep burning fossil fuels sure that's the that's the only debate that's like i feel like there's no now if you say hey should we keep burning fossil fuels and like eventually try to find something else that we can transition off of that could still support advanced societies fine which it seems like we are on that path yeah it's not like it's going to be next year but it's no i mean at some point maybe in 30 years or something i don't know which is like but if you're talking about getting off fossil fuels tomorrow and your answer isn't we're building nuclear plants everywhere,

then there's simply just no way to have it in first world countries. You know what else would work? Like, just kill everyone. No, no. They're like, oh, is that yours? Can I say that?

They're like, well, that would be better for the Earth. I've been gluing my hand to paintings. Oh, yeah. Just to figure this, expedite the whole process. I do think that, like, if they had any sense of humor At that museum

When the people Glued their hands To the paintings They would have just like Like section it off And say they're The part of the exhibit now And like

No like two guys Come in in suits And like take the painting away And then you go That's the exhibit Two girls With their hands Glued to the wall

And they're like Painting themselves They threw soup On the painting Yeah all the time Well that's the exhibit. Two girls with their hands glued to the wall. And they're like painting themselves. They threw soup on the painting. Yeah, on the thing. Well, that's like their new thing is they either, they go to like sporting events and stuff or they'll go to museums and then they. Girls at sporting events?

Don't you remember at the WNBA game? I'll protest that. I'm there doing my own protest. They go and they'll like zip tie their hand to like a railing on the court or something. Or like they do all that stuff. And they'll glue. Well, I saw that one.

Remember at the WNBA game, they glued their hand to the court and like all this shit or whatever. I feel like the punishment for gluing yourself to anything should be that the people come in should glue more of you to it. That's what I mean. Like they should just put more glue.

They're like, oh no, how are we going to get you off? And then just put glue on your face and push your face against it. All right. Yeah, guess what? You live here now. Okay. You guys just set the lights out.

Like, okay, guys, you wanted this. And then just credits come up. They get just like the number one elementary school bully in America, like a mercenary to come in, just like, fuck with you now. Hey, environment girls. You love the environment so much. Here's some dirt. Yeah, take some more environment environment it's your favorite thing just poison ivy oh yeah this is oh it's all natural don't worry literally it's like it's funny because they like their whole thing is like yeah we have this like message and you're like and then you hear and you go like i

guess or whatever but like it's not working like nobody is being like oh yeah gluing your hand to this thing we really do need to get off fossil fuels. People are just like... All the people that are... Not all, but there's tons of people with tons of money in Silicon Valley that also agree that they're just like...

There's people putting billions of dollars into companies to try to make energy a different way and cleaner and blah, blah, blah. Yeah, they're like, this doesn't happen tomorrow. They're like're like hey why don't you just invent a new way to rule run the world and everyone's kind of like yeah we are kind of trying and they're like tomorrow or more paintings and he's like what you're not even living in like it it'd be like a guy who works at a fucking construct you know on a construction site and his wife comes home and he's like if you don't make a million dollars a year by tomorrow i'm walking out and yeah it's almost like it's like we take for granted

that we have to have the life we have now so let's do that but without any bad stuff yeah yeah and you're like okay well there's just no trade-offs no there's a lot of right there's a lot that goes into this and that's why i think there's a thing where like if we didn't like if you lived like uh you know if we lived 150 years ago a lot of this shit is much more obvious like if you went like well you know to slow the spread of this virus i need you to stop working for three months you'd be like we'll starve yeah like we'll starve to death if we do that but today they go i want you to stop working for three months and i don't want there to be any costs. And it, that feels a little bit more possible because we're so removed from like the prospect of like starving to death. You're like, okay, maybe we won't starve to death, but it's still going to cost something.

There's no like, there's no way to do that and not be like, okay, but shit, you're going to be way poorer in three years than you are right now. Oh, that's just it. Yeah. You're like, yeah, you're, you got it. What was the stimulus in America? $1,400? Yeah.

One time? Something like that. Something like that, but you're like, yeah, this is going to cost, like your grocery bills are $1,400 a month higher right now, so how'd that work out?

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gonna be recording it and putting it on the patreon i was in a this weird reality show that my friend did like 15 years ago and it it was like a Canada's Next Top Gay. And they robbed you. Let me tell you. You were Canada's Next Top Gay. No, it was a show where you had to go. It was an Andy show. And they basically didn't have good contestants.

So they were like, can you guys do it? Because I'm wacky, right? And then basically you go in and have to walk through roaches and all this it's like one of those and at the end of it you won and me and my friend won because we were in a warehouse blindfolded but in my mind i'm like yeah but it's my buddy's show i know how these things work so like we won because like i knew it was nothing and it was kind of like but that that's how everyone feels about everything you know what i mean they're like yeah obviously nothing actually the government's not gonna let anything actually bad happen to us yeah it was like the good do whatever we want like i feel like that's kind of yeah it's for people who think like the government's infallible you're like no it's just like a bunch of people yeah who are like really go walking through like uncharted

waters here do you see when they're throwing shit at the wall they're just like i don't know you see when uh rogan was talking to the guy who uh was who started a rolling stone magazine he was arguing that the i saw the clip of that i'm not happy with that they go he was arguing the internet should be uh regulated by the government and rogan did a great job and rogan was like wait so by the government like you're like the same people who like said there were weapons of mass destruction in iraq should regulate the internet and say what's true and what's not true and he was like well those were some people who said that but i think the government can do good things and he went and and there was one moment where rogan went like so politicians and he goes i'm not saying politicians i'm saying the government yeah who do you think and he was like

wait so that's there's a difference to you? Yeah. Like there's a distinction? Right. Because when you say politicians, you're like, no, no, no, not those scumbags. Yeah. But the government. But that's what it is. They say the government like it's Santa. Yeah. The government.

What? Right, because it sounds so much better. Yeah. Like if I just said the Democrats and the Republicans. Yeah, you'd be like, no. The lawyers in Washington, D.C. You're like, oh, those monsters? Yeah. But if I go, the United States of America. Sure be like, no. The lawyers in Washington, D.C. You're like, oh, those monsters? But if I go,

the United States of America, you're like, oh, no, those guys are good. And again, you probably go like, in that sense, you go, well, the United States,

like, look at all this good shit we got. It's like, the government got us here and you're like, no, yes, but like, no. Well, that's the thing,

right? And it wasn't these people. They were at best guardrails for bad things. It was probably at worst they were hindering. And then they weirdly, yes, but then weirdly, there's this real like distinction that gets completely lost

between like a government and the country. You know, like as if it's all like the same thing. And we'll do this with other countries where we're like, guys, like China's pretty fucked up. Or China's doing this. And you're like, no, China's not doing this. Like there are people in China who have nothing. They're actually way more victimized

by the Chinese government than Will Everbate. But they're just like some dude. Elites in the CCP or something. Dude, this guy, Lou Rockwell, who's a fucking genius, he created the Mises Institute. It was this great organization. And he wrote this piecees institute uh it was a great this great like organization and he wrote this piece like in i think it was in april of 2020 and he was just talking about like all the like china hysteria and there was like just so you guys know he was like china

china is not your enemy yeah the chinese government is an evil government and they're the enemy of the chinese people but like china didn't do anything to you no you know what i mean like their current administration yes yeah and he goes and then he goes through this list of like all the and he goes there were these three chinese doctors who blew the whistle on covid who if they anyone had listened to them would have stopped this whole thing before it spread and they all got fucking thrown in camps yeah you know what i mean by the chinese government and so you realize like it's almost like a thing where like that's how they justify All this shit like well China's bad. So let's drop a bomb on this city

Just some dude who had nothing to do with the system any more than we have any more than Joe Biden is us Yes, you know what? I mean like a guy having a late in his boss and coming over his kids So so then they'll be like well the government's done pretty good i mean look over the last hundred years the country did this and this and you're like if the country did that the government didn't do that fucking shit i mean maybe they did something they allowed the people to do that stuff essentially like really what happened like what happened over the last fucking 30 years that was really great and you'll be like well there's some doctor invented some new medicine or someone did this or that or whatever and like life got way better and you know my tv is way better than my tv used to be and you're like yeah that's all true but that was

just what people did yeah where the government did it you're like i killed a million people in iraq you know i mean i guess they built some roads with the tax dollars they built some roads uh after there was leftover money from the money they used to murder people in Iraq. Roads kind of suck, to be honest. They're pretty shitty roads, but they're there, I guess. Sure. Hey, what do you think of this thought about libertarianism? Because I always kind of, when I'm thinking about how I feel or how I fit myself in or whatever. A lot of times I'll think like, to me, a lot of times I'll see like liberty or freedom or whatever as like a medicine

more than like a philosophy where it's like, sometimes you're kind of like, you see certain things, you're like, yeah, this needs more of, you know, that. And, but like, sometimes you see a thing and you're like, this actually might benefit from a little more order or structure. You know what I mean? So it's it's like uh do you see that kind of thing you know like in a household you could see think about like even just a household even where it's like everyone's doing it's all wacky and you're like well this place doesn't necessarily

need more freedom it might actually benefit from a little more structure or yeah no so to me i look at it like um like when you're talking about like political freedom like freedom from the government you know it's like so to your point like yeah there's there's situations right where there might be like i don't know there might be a household that's like way too fucking rigid and stringent with their rules and you go you guys could benefit from like a little more freedom of like to do what you want to do and then there might be a household where everyone's like fucking crazy and drug addicts or something you guys you guys need some more rules yeah you can't do that so like that's true with chaos versus order there's always a balance but when you talk

about just like um whether legally you support like being a libertarian or not the the only question that it comes down to is who should go to jail? Like that's all to me being a libertarian is. It's like, and the very basic question is like, who should fucking men with guns come and grab and throw in a cage and fucking in print enslaved? So the point is like, it's not like, should heroin be legal is not a question of like, should everyone do heroin? You know, it's like, the point is just like, should, can you throw someone in a cage for doing heroin? Kind of how you see it, yeah.

Or should it just be like, there should be some other solution other than fucking someone with a gun puts a gun to your head and goes, I'm going to shackle you and throw you in a cage. I mean, it's essentially a lazy, easy solution too, to be like, that's the easiest solution really is to be like, yeah, we're just going to get our hen shackle you and throw you in a cage. It's essentially a lazy, easy solution to it. To be like, that's the easiest solution really is to be like, yeah, we're just going to get our henchmen and throw this guy in a cage.

Yes. And it doesn't really work very well. And so to me, I go like, if you go, who should, who, who is it like morally acceptable to fucking like put a gun to their head and

go, I'm putting you in chains and I'm throwing you in a fucking cage right now. And I would women, yeah. Um, minorities. Sure. Jews. Minorities. Uh, no, in chains and i'm throwing you in a cage right now women and i would women yeah um minorities sure jews jews minorities uh no but i would say someone who's like a violent criminal yeah someone maybe someone was like a um like a property criminal you know something like there's no government all your well with no government at all i mean or i guess it's not obviously that's

like not actually the yeah you're right you're pretty good at like saying i don't want to have these like whimsical fucking conversations about like no i'm saying like stop throwing fucking people in jail for fucking non-violent victimless things now that now that but to your point that's more like college kid like maybe conversation that i was well it's yeah yeah but i mean even that's like it like it's an interesting idea of like what well, would someone do that if it wasn't the government? I don't know. I mean, from my perspective,

I see most of the time, like when you had the riots in 2020, I think that shit The cops were actually The peaceful protests? Yes, the peaceful protests. But what the cops were doing was stopping anyone

who was defending their own fucking property from fucking defending it and arresting them. See, that wasn't better necessarily. So I'm almost thinking if the government didn't do it, it seemed like there were a lot of people

willing to fucking do it. To just be like, all you'd really need is to have no fucking gun laws and let a few people click some AK-47s and be like, get the fuck off this store. That only happens in America. I'm not saying that's fucking perfect. I'm just saying of all,

like what's better than the other alternative? And the better, like we say say it's all trade-offs The better thing is just like let be a free society It also isn't like there is also the argument probably maybe to you it doesn't but I feel like it changes a little bit as Technology exists and like that We are living now not a hundred years ago because I think in my mind go, if you said this government had like no power, it'd be like, okay, so in six months, the mafia is going to own this city. Like it feels like a power vacuum.

You just have criminals take over. But now you go, actually more likely what would happen would probably be now you go, no, Amazon now owns this city or something. Well, I think that, um, I think so from my perspective, it's almost like the opposite of that. I go, I think a government is, like if you say the worst case scenario of the mafia taking over is what a government is. Sure. Like what the essence of a government is, is the most powerful mafia that took over the whole fucking thing.

Do you think they're worse than the actual mafia? I mean. You're not going to get like, well, I was just going to say you're not going to get torture. And then I'm like, all right, I guess you're going to do it. Yeah was just gonna say you're not gonna get torture and then i'm like all right i guess you're gonna yeah i mean by what by what possible protection money is like literally just property tax just remove right remove yourself from like yeah it's like property taxes yeah they are the mafia so look remove yourself from whatever emotional connection you have to the word mafia and to the word government by what by what possible objective metric could you say that the government is not worse than the mafia like if you want to go

how many people they kill how much money they a jury of your peers would probably be the first one i would think of okay sure so you have a jury of your i don't have a jury of like his you know three bodies to decide i have i get to have a public trial. Sure. So you, I suppose I would say that a jury of your peers is an illusion that they go, so we will make up the rules. We will have a government appointed judge and then we will present this illusion of like,

oh, but the people decided whether or not you should go to jail for 15 years over having a fucking system in your pocket sometimes they'll be like a guy but you're actually even you could beat the mafia system by just fucking paying them off dude it's all listen okay man i go back in so well i'm not saying by the way i'm not like defending the fucking mafia i'm just saying that it's like basically i'm saying that they are the mafia they're there that's what it is it's what the government is a gang that just fucking won that won out so much that it's like there's no other fucking gang that could even fuck with them they have complete territorial control

and the other gangs are just rivals to the government yeah so like the the bet they're like look the mafia it's like now that's the scarboni brothers down in two streets over the like the the cops are a gang the military is a gang i mean like what is the song like what is it you ever watched like uh when george w bush uh and saddam hussein well they they had like dueling like videos that they had right before the war and george w bush basically said uh he goes saddam hussein you have 24 hours uh but right before we launched the war in iraq he made this video addressed to the nation and to the world and he goes saddam hussein you and your sons have 24 hours to surrender yourself to the international community or we will invade iraq and overthrow you and then saddam hussein this is one of the most gangster things

I've ever seen in my life. Saddam Hussein had a response video to George W. Bush. And he goes, I thought this was so fucking gangster. I'm not a fan of Saddam Hussein, but this was pretty badass. And he goes,

he goes, George W. Bush, you have 24 hours to surrender yourself to the international community. He goes, if you invade, we will fight this war and we will win this war and i remember watching that and be like oh shit you are fucked yeah and it's not because he's more right or wrong it's just like no this fucking gang the united states of amer, will fuck up your Iraqi gang.

And they did. Benny from the Bronx, he didn't like that. These motherfuckers, like all this shit. You know, you ever see like the, you remember the partnership for a drug-free America? When we were kids, they used to always run that. Just say no. This is your brain on drugs. Yep.

All those guys, right? They used to run all those commercials. And they were like uh you know you could almost argue like you'd be like oh well here's my argument i actually think that pot isn't as bad as alcohol or tobacco or whatever but the partnership for a drug-free america was funded by alcohol and tobacco companies and pharmaceutical companies it's not like they got it wrong. It's just fucking gangster shit. They're just like, yo, this is our fucking competition.

Here's who's in charge. It's like tainting the other guy's drug. I mean, the Alex Jones thing from last week where his settlement, whatever, nine. And then you see the thing with like the sacklers or whatever, like the Purdue Pharma who make makes Oxycontin and like they kill the tens of thousands of people their settlement was like 645 million right and alex jones got 945 million like he didn't kill one person they kill well it's right so it's almost like we're sitting here same with martin scrawley versus the other people whatever but they're like they just show them

right so guys like that who are like kind of outside the connected system they get demonized and it's not that they shouldn't be demonized that who are kind of outside the connected system, they get demonized. And it's not that they shouldn't be demonized. It's just kind of like if there was like the mafia is coming around and they're just kind of like, hey, they're going to a pizza place. And they're like, hey, listen, this is a nice place you got here. Maybe you buy sauce from us or your whole fucking place gets burned down. And then someone else has some different sauce and they're like, this sauce is fucking killing people. And you're like, yeah, but the sauce you're selling is killing more people and like

yeah yeah but like we're just gonna focus on how this sauce is killing more people so it's just it's all of it is fucking gangster shit like you said property taxes income tax are you fucking like if you take a step back and think about like the fucking income tax and you go real what's happening here i'll tell you in february i took a fuck, or March, I took a step back and thought about the income tax. Well, yeah. I took a big step back. When you start fucking making money,

you really go, oh my God. But look, if there was like, let's say we didn't have an income tax. I walk around in New York and I see public employees and I tell them I pay their salary now. You're right. I hit him on the head. You work for me, pal.

But the truth is that it's really quite the opposite. That you work for them. Like very literally. You work for them. You work and pay them your fucking money. And you can hold on to this illusion that they work for you, but that's just the bullshit they tell you. The truth is you work

and then they take your money and give it to them. But look, imagine we didn't have an income tax in america and then imagine let's say the soviet union still existed right and the soviet union invaded our free country of america and took over america and they went hey we're installing this new policy, okay? And we're creating this bureau called the USSIRS. And what we've just decided now is that it's a crime to work. And the punishment for that crime is a fee. And the more you work and the more you produce, the higher your fee is. Sure.

And you remember how you used to have a fifth amendment where you had the right to not incriminate yourself well now you are mandated to incriminate yourself every single year you must turn over all of your documents to the central uss irs government then we will go through all of your documents and if you miss one fucking apostrophe or decimal on that we can fucking throw you in jail we could go back 20 years on you and ruin all your fucking shit and we will never tell you what you owe us but you must report to us and we will tell you if you're wrong and like if you just saw that and some foreign government did that to us you'd be like oh so we live under a totalitarian dictatorship like that's just that's

what it is but it's just because we did it to ourselves, everyone's like, that's the price. We voted to fucking pay for society. But really, it's the most fucked up shit ever. You charge people a fee for being a productive member of society? It's insane. That's the most gangster shit in the world. So fine, you could even respect it and be like, you guys are some fucking gangsters.

Which I do to some degree. I always try to play the game, not the, you know, get too bogged down. Of course. And then they go, also we're going to educate your kids to love us. You know what I mean? Like it's pretty fucking gangster,

but that's what it is. It's gangster shit. Do they have, I was wondering, for the libertarian, like are there other countries that have strong libertarian movements? Is that a pretty US centric thing? It's a-

I know Canada has like nothing like that. I think India has a lot of Canada is like nothing like that. No, Canada has a lot of those like Ayn Rand guy. Do all the dudes that grew up who were like a lot of Indian dudes that grew up like they if they're like, you know, college kid, white boy thing was very, they love like Ayn Rand shit. But like other like parties in other countries, there's there's, you know, there there's more like there's there's like freedom movements in different areas in different countries and some countries are like very free in some areas and very not free in other areas yeah there's a play

like singapore is like fucking like really free and a lot of economic haven right now yeah like economically business-wise they're very free but socially socially they're like you fucking spit gum on the street of course you're gonna fucking have a problem so it's like yeah yeah it's kind of it's like it's very weird man but really america was you know we're the freest country in the world and that's yeah but they're all because i know like there's so many countries you ever see like they'll have it'll be like a blip on the news because nobody really cares but they'll have like an election like so many countries have like 10 parties you know even canada has you going about there's so many countries have like 10 parties. You know, even Canada has, you go on a ballot, there's so many parties.

I guess here, how many parties when you go to a vote are like listed on a ballot? I think most of the time, not many. I mean, even the Libertarian Party is not on every ballot. And they're like the biggest third party. But even that, we just kind of have a system here in America where it's kind of like, there might be some other like faggoty parties on that ballot. But you know, you got two choices. That's kind of like the thing. you guys know what we're doing so it's you know but uh there's there's good and bad to all that you know when you have like a ton of parties you got to get some real kooky party that ends up

taking over so i always laughed actually with the whole thing where like countries like america where they're like we're so much better and freer than china and you're like give one more party like America, where they're like, we're so much better and freer than China. And you're like, give one more party. It's like,

you're literally one more party. I see where they say, they go, they're a one party state. And you're like, you're a two party state. Yeah, you have one more.

And the two parties are very similar. You're like, well, technically it's 100% more parties. That's a really fucking good way to put it, man.

I guess the like, the whole benefit was that is almost, it like keeps people calmer because there's an illusion of we'll get it back next time. But you see, right? And that's been the whole thing at least. It's so clear in the last 20 years. In the 21st century, where it's like fucking George W. Bush just fucked up.

And everyone acknowledges it. I mean everyone, but like 70 70 of the country just goes yeah he fucked up and so we're going with barack obama because fucking we can't republicans fucked up democrats are good and then barack obama just does more of the same they go he tagged him like a wrestling tag yeah yeah they go fuck that we're going trump because you fucked up they go trump fuck that we're going biden but really when you step back like, oh, the same shit has kind of been happening. Well, you can't just put the brakes on everything someone did in the previous administration being like, we're ending everything and starting from scratch.

You never get anything done. But they don't even put the brakes. They just accelerate. Like, if from Bush to Obama to Trump to Biden was like, if you were measuring it, it would be like this. You know, it might be going up and down a little bit, but the trend is it's going up. Like where's the fucking spending, the debt, the military budget, the fucking money printing, the fuck, all the like shit that actually matters that no one ever fucking talks about.

You're like, no, there's no one really fucks with any of that. Like no one really changes anything. Like, you know, fucking, uh, Barack Obama's defense secretary was when he first came in? It was Gates, Bush's defense secretary. He fucking kept him on. And you know who fucking like runs the Treasury Department? Someone who used to work at Goldman Sachs. Like every fucking time.

The shit that really fucking matters, no one really fucks with any of that. No. Yeah, the banks like also, I think actually Schultz was saying, other people have said this too, but the idea of when the banks were getting mad about stuff online, it was like, that's who's taking the moral standard. You know what I mean? It's like of all the people, if you look around and you go,

okay, I'm getting a lecture from the government, I'm getting a lecture from the banks, you go, I don't think any of these people should be giving anyone a lecture ever. It's almost the arrogance of banks to not just kind of be like yeah you know what well we know we're not going to get involved here you know what i mean you know what it is it's the guy that's like cheating non-stop it's like real vocal about you know publicly you know like that's exactly right that's exactly right that's exactly what it is dude all this fucking woke shit coming from giant corporations is the exact equivalent

of the fucking uh the republican congressman who's like these gays are destroying society who they find blowing some dude in a fucking truck stop bathroom that's what it is but they're trying to get out ahead of it and be like look we're the good guys ahead of this moral outrage because what they want is everyone to be fighting over like oh isn't this awful this misinformation online isn't it so awful that someone said trans women aren't women let's fucking cancel him and they're like focus on that so you don't focus on the fact that we're raping everyone yeah even if you the misinformation is the funniest one like it sometimes is fun like you need to zoom out to kind of remember like how crazy it is because

it all becomes normal even if you're even if you think it's crazy but you go ever been a conversation where someone like a you know like a comic or someone will be just like oh it's crazy like there's misinformation everywhere like and you'll be like what are you talking about like you like you'll act there i've had conversation with like real people where it's like this is like a real thing that's like they're like stressed out because it's like misinformation like you think this is you talking about like it's like yeah man crazy fucking like your brain's so fried you're just like they're fucking really watch msnbc like the misinformation right right or the misinformation touching you like it's not right it was like the election interference remember they were like oh russia's meddling like how dare they and you're

like what do you think america's doing in other countries yeah like you think this is like this one-time deal where like russia's just meddling in american politics but like america's not doing this in probably 40 other countries dude and that shit all the time that shit was always like they fucking they would say and they would repeat the line over and over again they go russia hacked our elections like if you ever go look for, like, a compilation of that on fucking YouTube or whatever, you find compilations of every powerful person, like, saying, Russia hacked our election.

And then, like, if you ever just start, like, you're like, how did they do that? And they're like, by interfering in the election. And you're like, how did they do that? And by the end of it, you go, they placed some Facebook ads. Yeah. And, like, that's what the whole thing comes down to and then it's always like it's like well well three different intelligence agencies all said that they interfered in the election you're like okay okay fine give me the

fucking evidence like what did they actually do and it comes when you get down to it it's like nothing no it's like fucking nothing like this guy in texas would have voted for hillary but then he changed his mind because of a video he saw on Facebook. If you're influencing someone, is this podcast hacking an election? What does that mean? What does it mean if you change someone's mind because you said something and they were persuaded by that? It's so bizarre.

They had the right opinion originally. I guess so, right? We do that. It's so weird how these fucking things can be put out and then everyone just unthinkingly repeats the same fucking point and they say all these fucking things and man dude i really think and i don't know vladimir putin's fucked up dude he's a fucked up guy he's a gangster like i say all these guys are real gangsters if you were watching that and he was life like which i don't know if they would yeah he's a kgb gangster dude that's like when

i say series of him like the el chapo series that they like make about him if they stop hating him and they well isn't it easy right even when i was saying before when i was saying like oh the government are basically gangsters right it's almost like when you say that people go like huh okay because we're thinking of our government but how easy is it for me to convince you if i'm talking about another government like if i was talking about the saudis and i go they are gangsters yeah everyone goes of course of course they're fucking gangsters is putin a gangster of course so it's only it's like a religion thing it's like you're an atheist for every other religion yeah just not for your fucking religion right so you're like you don't believe in any of that shit you think that's all bullshit but

your one is correct yeah all right so but you know I'm not saying that it can't be the case, but I'm just saying that. So these guys, right, he is a gangster. But at the same time, I go with all this shit. We've just been fucking with this gangster for years. Every important person has been saying he stole our elections and he did this and he put bounties on Russian soldiers heads and he fucking made Hunter Biden's laptop to fucking put... All these lies that we all know are complete bullshit and they're just like

saying this over and over and over and then he finally fucking invades his neighboring country and people are like, why is he doing this? And you're like,

I don't know, stop fucking with him. Who cares? He's got nukes. Stop fucking with him. For sure, yeah. And again, they were just like

for five years leading up to the whole thing they were like, he's bad and they're like, he's just nonstop how bad he is and then... And then eventually he fucking snaps. Yeah, he is bad. I think that... I mean, yeah. And again, yeah, they were just like, for five years leading up to the whole thing, they were like, he's bad, and they're like, he's just nonstop how bad he is, and then... And then eventually he fucking snaps.

Yeah, he is bad. I think that... I mean, yeah, he is, but it's like, I think the point is that you're like, yeah, you guys all are. Yeah, you're bad too. He's bad 5,000 miles away with nuclear weapons. Sure, yeah.

So let him fucking be bad over there, and who the fuck cares? Like, that's it. It's a good point. Like, when they make, cause it almost, it kind of shows a window into the thing. Cause if you go every big,

like mafia guy, gangster, like, like Pablo Escobar gets some, like a movie made about him where he's the protagonist. Right. Have they ever made like a movie where good Abby's the protagonist? Like,

like no politician gets to be the protect like it's kind of an interesting thing to think like but mexican like gangsters like raping kids and murdering people that guy gets a movie series where he's the protagonist at least they try to tell it accurately but this you can't they'll never tell any politics things without propaganda well i love there's been a few exceptions to that ever yeah which i love well i because i do think in general i think like gangster movie there's like gangster movies and there's like political movies and shit like that but i i do i think like one of my so i think in the godfather well the fucking greatest lines ever in the history of a fucking movie was when uh fucking uh michael corleone says to k you know and she's like oh you're going

into your father's business you said you would never go into his business and he goes uh you know you know my father's a powerful man he goes like a governor or a senator and uh and k goes i forget the exact line but she goes do you hear yourself how ignorant you sound michael she goes your father has people killed governors and senators don't have people killed and michael corleone goes Who's being ignorant now Okay Right

Or who's being naive now Yeah Something like that There's a line That's a fucking brilliant line To be like Oh yeah really You're the fucking naive one

Sure And then the other thing I thought was What's it called Before we all found out Kevin Spacey rapes boys House of Cards Of course

Was a really great one That was a great Fucking little series that caught on where they were just like yo we're just gonna fucking do a fucking politicians are gangsters

no no they'll do that that really let you fucking know like this is kind of how it is so that was that was kind of cool but then there's a lot of

but I'm saying like what's oh there's a Pablo Escobar series well there's like the West Wing and the American President and like these type of movies

where with uh what's his face well they mock them sometimes they mock them of our series like the west wing and the american president and like these type of movies where with uh what's his face well they mock them sometimes oh you're retarded and then they'll make them heroes sometimes but i kind of enjoy the ones where they really make them the gangsters like they're like no this is that like this is really just just view them the same way you would anyone else like what is it fucking like i said before it's just like what is it like what is taxing someone other than just being like hey give me your money i don't know fuck your shit up yeah i'm like oh okay and you could say like well they did something with that money that was kind of good de blasios and stuff and uh and like the cuomos and stuff they don't even pretend to not sound like the mafia guys no they can't why is it such an easy transition? It's such an easy transition from so many

of those fucking Ginzo thugs to come right into my fucking house. I'm married and Italian. My kids are half Italian. But still, these people have it in their blood. I watch my kids every day. Yeah, you can't just move. You can't be like, oh, I don't like the tax policy in this country.

I'm going to move to a different country. It doesn't work that way. Well, we moved. Yeah yeah but it wasn't easy no okay you owe us some money though they'll even like give you like they'll have a gangster they'll have a gangster attitude with that too it's like oh you want to move okay yeah well you got in your pockets if you want to move you know they shake you upside down yeah and then also on top of that it's like what happens if i don't pay it's like we put you in a jail and a bunch of guys rape you forever it's not even like you know what i mean yeah the punishment is like yeah we put you in a place and then you we get like the shit kicked out of you for seven years and then raped yeah and we don't even really stop it that much and

that's i love how i laugh about it that's always like a punch line too i know kurt had a really good joke about that i remember that dude when kurt was a part of the legal system that dude he had a thing i don't know if you guys remember there was one do you remember the law and order episode where they did about comics making rape jokes yeah i do and they i do remember that it was and then the guy turned it was the dumbest thing i like you couldn't have made it up no it was crazy and the guys on stage being like both of you get it whether you like it or not and the crowd's going yeah so so they start with i can't even dude i can't if you did you see this i think if you haven't seen it i can't exaggerate how retarded it was it starts with comic crushing with that

like as if if you went up on stage as a standup comedian and you went, I have all these bitches get raped. They're like, God, like as if that would kill, like as if like there wouldn't be anyone in the room who went, ah, there's not a lot of humor. There's not a lot of humor behind this. It's just wishing rape. So that's like crying. So there's, there's three steps to this, right?

So the first step of the episode is that that kills. That's what does really good in comedy, is if you go on stage and go, I hope our bitches get raped, and everyone's like, this guy rocks. And then there's just like two girls who are like, we're uncomfortable. They're like, fuck you, sluts.

I hope you get raped. And so they get up and walk out. And then the second step was that that inspires somebody to go rape that chick because he's like, I don't know, it seemed pretty cool in the comedy club. And then the third step was that the comic himself is actually a rapist. So it turns out he's raping these chicks.

The whole thing was like, what world are you living in or any of this? And then it was like- And then there's like, there's 10 cases where shit like this happened. It's never been the like comic. Never in the history of the world has this existed. There have been very clean comics who have turned out to rape in their private life. like this happened. It's never been the like comic. Never in the history of the world has this existed.

There have been very clean comics who have turned out to rape in their private life. There's never been a rape joke that the message of the joke was, I love rape that killed in a club and no one's ever raped because they heard a joke about raping a club. And Law and Order's whole thing is they're always like,

we're basing this off of a real life thing. That's why it's extra crazy. So it's nothing. And then at the end of the episode, the moral is like, you know, people being like, yeah,

you know, it's like some jokes aren't funny. Some jokes are blah, blah, blah. But Kurt made this fucking point when he was watching it. It was so fucking great where he goes, he goes,

you know how many times I've seen law and order, like a regular thing in law and order is that one of the things they use to threaten guys, even when they know they're innocent. the things they use to threaten guys even when they know they're innocent yeah and this is completely accepted is when they're grilling them they'll go guys like you don't do very well in jail yeah you know and even when they know like even as the person watching the show you know that that guy's not guilty but he might have some information they're completely fine with you threatening rape to extort the information out of that guy. Like, be like, I will put you in a hole where men will

rape your butt unless you tell me what happened. He goes, okay, this guy did it. And they go, all right, get out of here. And everyone's supposed to be okay with that. Like, this is supposed to be fine. Yeah, that actually kind of worked. But, like, a comic making a joke about it is fucked up. You can sit right in front of a man and be like,

your butthole will be. Yeah. The same show. Countless times. We'll go. Basically, your butthole will be destroyed. Unless you tell me what I want to know. No one will listen to you even.

And that's just. And it is. It's a punchline. Yeah. That people get fucking raped in jail. That is fucking nuts. On that note. On that note.

Let's not go to jail. What's your favorite libertarian quote before we go fucking have some hit the fucking I don't know man

there's a lot of ones that are really fucking good god damn it I gotta think of a good one I feel like I gave better quotes already don't steal the government hates competition

oh that's good that's a good fucking quote don't steal the government hates competition yeah these are good t-shirt slogans Danny got a good one I feel like I should have a fucking

What was the t-shirt you got in Nashville The one we saw The t-shirt I got Which one Remember we went to the store In Nashville It had like a real Like don't tread on me type thing

It was like some I don't remember Something Trump or something It was funny though That's a good one That's fun I'll go with that

Yeah let's leave it at that Don't steal the government hates competition That should be the name of the episode Don't steal the government hates competition. That should be the name of the episode. Don't steal the government hates competition. I like it. All right. Thanks for coming on, buddy. Dude, you're the fucking man.

I love you guys. I love everything you guys are doing. I'm fucking always blown away by you guys. You're fucking hilarious. And I don't know. Oh, yeah, that won't be online, but I was just about to plug that I did your thing, but that was it.

We got a little salty on that. I don't think it's going live. We are not putting that out anywhere. I will deny to the death that I did your thing, but that was it. We got a little salty on that. I don't think it's going live. We are not putting that out anywhere. I will deny to the death that we did that. Definitely check out part of the problem with Dave Smith, Legion of Skanks. Alright, peace!