The Boyscast with Ryan Long - Destiny on Why Everyones Full of Shit, WW3, Trump Trial & Debating Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro

Episode Date: April 19, 2024

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Cast Fellas, we got a big episode today, but I also want to say my tour is almost officially over. San Diego this weekend and three of the five shows are already sold out. So come out to that. And then I have Austin, Houston the weekend after. So please make sure you come on to that.

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How are you doing? What's up? I feel like you have a sort of a reputation now of like, even if someone disagrees with you, you're sort of like the best version of that side of the argument. You know what I mean? I like to think so, yeah. Just a reasonable person.

Yeah, but I mean, everybody says that. Every word I would describe myself with, I would tell other people these are, like, red flags to never trust a person. What's an example? Like, if anybody, like, I would say, I hope I'm, like, pretty reasonable. I hope I'm pretty nonpartisan. I try to, like, you know, research and look at all the facts and everything but like everybody that says that is usually the worst bottom of the barrel fucking like carries water for one side of the aisle doesn't do any research or fact checking and is the most partisan hack fuck in the world so it's like okay well i

feel like sometimes there's there's times where like you and like guys like dave smith where i'll watch a debate and i'll kind of be like all right this is sort of like the two sides of the my head thinking you know what i mean? I'm like, I'll like swing back and forth within the debate. I'll be like, oh, pretty good point. I'm like,

oh, pretty good rebuttal. Yeah. Dave Smith is a guy I'm poised to hate a lot because I disagree with him. Not he's the man. I disagree. I don't care if he's the man

or not, I still hate him. Yeah, I don't want to hear a co-sign your fucking opinion. I mean, Libertarian, red flag number one.

I see him give a lot of takes I disagree with on Twitter. Red flag number two because I'm right about everything, obviously. but i've talked with him kind of once on a piers morgan show so it wasn't much but i've watched him he actually seems like he knows what he's talking about which is already puts you in the 99th percentile of online political commentary so yeah that's true and then well certain people are just their brains work quicker for coming up with arguments even if you know i'm sure you've been in situations where you're arguing with

someone and you're just like i could win this argument even if i'm not right you know what i mean yeah of course certain people are just like really quick with just uh someone out they rebuttal and you're just like oh i could you know judo twist them around find find one weakness in there and then just kind of exploit it yeah you know the last time i think we saw you coming out of louis but the before that probably the last time i saw you which is the last political event i said i didn't i never did another one again was the minds thing and i hated that so much why'd you hate it because the whole thing of the event was they were just like okay we're gonna have people from different sides together and and then in the dressing room they're like the james o'keefe crew they started like they ambushed the one guy and there was like a big

fight in the dressing room and everyone was like ambushing each other and the whole thing was, okay, people from different points of view. Before I know it everyone's like yelling and screaming. It was in the hallway and I was just like, this is crazy. It was like the stairwell. I can't remember who the guy was but apparently like he said. I'm trying to remember.

He was like a communist professor guy. Oh, it was Ben Burgess. Yeah, Ben Burgess. They were like, you said the N word in like the 90s or something and they were like, but he was like a communist professor guy. Oh, it was Ben Burgess, I think. Yeah, Ben Burgess. They're like, you said the N-word in the 90s or something. But he was back up against a wall. He was shaking. His hand was shaking. He was surrounded by people, like four cameras and all that stuff.

James O'Keefe is a piece of shit. That's another good example of Project Veritas. Veritas means truth in Latin or whatever. It's like, oh, okay, yeah. Of course. Yeah, I don't even know him that well. I was just kind of like oh i'll come do a comedy set there and then basically the whole deal was because a lot of times they're just like oh we can never get left wing people to like argue with them and then they sort of brought a few in and like ambush the guy and you're like well i wonder why jesus yeah that's how i felt about it a little bit yeah that

was is that par for the course for you where you're just like that's how that shit is it's content over everything like it's never not for a lot of for most people yeah almost all of it is yeah it's pretty horrible it's like real blood sports yeah which is really disappointing but i mean normal politics has gotten to that point like all the political punditry and commentary is whether it's online or even the mainstream media is all just shit slinging and yeah but i guess people have always complained about it being this way so what are you gonna to do? Yeah, I guess maybe coming from a live performance background or whatever

you'd call it, I feel like maybe I think that there's some level of the dressing room's off limits or something. Well, once you invite someone under the guise

that it's not going to be that, and then... I'm sure even the organizers didn't even know. Yeah, if we want to go narrow, you want to talk about that particular thing, that's not par for the course that's wild that you would because i mean just think about that nobody's gonna go to your events that makes

the organizer look bad like bro you invited me and this guy showed up to fucking ambush me with cameras nobody's gonna want to bring that guy to events like that so i think that's not part of the course that's wild yeah and then you're just kind of like okay so that's the same shit that's gonna happen to me i don't i don't want to go to i don't want to go to your event and then there's a camera crew like coming in my face. Or a guy that's known to do hit pieces. I think the lesson is if James O'Keefe is at your event, you better be squeaky clean.

Yeah, you're right. He's going through all the closets. If you're about to have gay sex with a guy at your event, you better double check that he's not James O'Keefe. Do you find that... Because because of the internet the last little bit it feels like probably in the last year has sort of switched from you know kind of a more

uh down the middle political arguments to like all exposed shit well like like just like kind of drama content yeah i guess you'd call it drama content yeah like even just from like the like black comedy scene like cat williams stuff all the like pdd shit but then also even on the youtube space like how many creators their whole thing is just like so and so exposed like every title's that yeah yeah there's a few things going on uh the first thing is it's an election season with two candidates who have already run before so we kind of already know what's up there's not like a whole bunch of new stuff coming out you're not like exploring new candidates or seeing you know

what does this guy have to say because we've we've had both of them as president once so that makes that boring that's one part a second part is not to sound too partisan but holy fuck conservatives have no platform they're not like talking about like what would they do differently domestically or internationally it's all just like kind of fuck biden and then these like edge like culture war issues like how many more times you can talk about fucking trans people holy shit um and then on a um and then on a third note um everything in the world has become so political like everything has and everything is like bled into these like huge bubbles of people that have these political ideas it's like at the point to where if you tell me, for instance, oh, I think that

the charges in Andrew Tate are made up. If I hear you say that, then I know that you probably support Trump, you probably support Russia over Ukraine, you probably think cancel culture has gone too far, you probably think the COVID vaccine was like a microchip, you probably think that like, you can predict like all these political beliefs beliefs because everybody has these huge camps that they all belong to and one of the big things that's really hot right now and i don't even want to say the right leaning camp just kind of like the anti-establishment camp is there's always a huge fucking pedophile ring right around the corner it's there it's somewhere we didn't find it with hillary we didn't find it under the piece of shop we didn't find it with biden yet we didn't really find it

they sort of got one no not not what they wanted not nowhere near as much but p diddy this is the one this is the pedophile ring they're right there we're so close on this level of indictments this level of investigation it's going to be and it just every time it's not they're just like okay the next one especially the pd thing is like it's almost par for the course when you see like the r kelly you're like they just might be up to that as rappers sure you know but the conservative bend because i because candace was filming on all of this is not just that whatever the fuck he's charged it's that there's like a secret underground conspiratorial ring where especially black men are being brought to these parties and drugged up and made to do things and then blackmailed and then politicians are involved and children are involved and it's this whole

giant fucking thing yeah which i don't even know what the extent of the pd suit is right now um is it all that it's kind of weird because he's still just like tweeting as if everything's normal like i was caught you i went to his page the other day and he was just like you know just had a great lunch today he's just business as usual but if you look on the internet it was like uh the indictment was pretty crazy but again you know people can lie about stuff and also yeah definitely not like some top-down sex trafficking thing where they're like it goes all the way to the president of the united states you're like i don't think you don't see a lot of rappers hanging out with politicians other than like some fun also when you say indictment are there criminal charges

now for pd or is it still that big civil case i think is yeah actually i think it's just a civil case okay yeah there's no criminal oh it's still just a civil no there's he hasn't been charged with anything but they raided his house they raided his house yeah so i mean oh interesting okay they raided multiple houses so they have i mean they wouldn't do that unless they had uh something that they thought they could pin against them yeah there's a there's a criminal investigation i think they're saying he has videos that's the idea but i guess again some of those can be true without being conspiratorial you know what i mean um they can be but like it's it's when you're screaming about a thing over and over and over and over and over again and then finally in one of the instances it's true you're even when you're

right you're being conspiratorial like just wait for the evidence to come out like see what happens and then yeah and then like the cheering for, like, I need there to be somewhere a group of children being raped constantly by politicians. I need this to be the case. It has to be.

It has to be. I don't know, it just feels weird. Well, I guess that one is a safe conspiracy because there is them. Like, there has been the Catholic Church

and there's the foster system. Like, if you look at the whole world, there is going to be pedophiles and to some degree they are gonna be organized right yeah but it's not the it's not the pedophile thing it's that it's this idea of like all of the world's elite i guess once you you know have a certain number of zeros in your bank account you gotta go fuck a kid and get recorded you get in on it yeah so that

everybody the jews or somebody has like a yeah evidence of and can control you i guess most likely the jews probably the jews i feel like with uh kind of most of that stuff if you look at it you're just like a lot of times just people try to make everything everything yeah you know what i mean where it's like one thing can be one thing and then on i think to also being in entertainment i don't know you know how exactly social you are whatever but like you after point, you just know too many people that had conspiracies said about them that wasn't true. Like, I know too many people where they're just like, I know, well, for sure, I know that one's not true or something.

They'll say, or things about yourself, right? How many times have been that? But, but I mean, it is kind of weird because you're like, it is case by case. Like there is conspiracies that are true, right? Things happen. Yeah. Yeah. People do cons, right? Yeah, things happen, yeah. Yeah, people do conspire to do certain things, but, yeah. And sometimes bad things and sometimes fucked up things. Sometimes it involves multiple people, but you've got to imagine, like, today's world,

bro, every fucking thing in the world leaks everywhere because you've got phones recording everything. The idea that there's, like, hundreds or thousands of people that are all, like, conspiring on something and nobody's leaked anything, there's not any credible evidence anywhere, there's nothing, like, i don't know man i feel like if i've seen like the the president's son's cock and then him like weighing crack on a fucking scale like 50 million times i feel like there should be some stronger evidence than this than a fucking you know 35 minutes into a candace owens video analyzing a civil complaint yeah yeah yeah we'll see what the ditty stuff i guess so what do you think happened with

epstein then what do you think the not like the you know just the short version what do you think like the logical explanation of what actually shook down i hate to even talk about it because it makes me feel like such a shill and everybody's so bored i set aside like two weeks to do i want to do like yeah you must have gotten pretty deep i want to yeah i want to go through this because i'm so curious what actually happened and And man, it's so fucking boring. Not only is it boring, number one, okay, I thought before doing any research, I thought it was like an island with like a ton of like fucking nine-year-olds and shit in like fucking jails in the basement. I thought it was some wild fucking catastrophic level shit.

And there are, I think there is at least one alleged minor, I don't know if it was 15 or 16, but like the setup, it sounds like what he did was he basically said he sent people into like New York City, where he sent people into cities like find it was 15 or 16, but the setup, it sounds like what he did, was he basically said, he sent people into New York City, or he sent people into cities, like, find some young chicks or whatever, bring them over to my place, while they're massaging me, offer them a lot of money,

and then I'll offer them more to touch my dick or stroke me off or whatever. So basically, grab some prostitutes, and you're saying a couple of them are probably underage sort of thing. It seems like it, yeah. Which is bad. We weren't exactly checking IDs sort of thing.

Abusive power, they're minors, it's like, that's not good, but it's so much less sensational than I thought of the prisoners of fucking nine-year-old you know grade schoolers that are that are being constantly raped by epstein all his friends so that was one disappointment the second disappointing thing is that if you read the whole um uh the revision it's the um inspector general for the like federal prisons or whatever if you read like what actually happened my understanding was one night before epstein killed himself the cameras were turned off and then he

something happened and then they were turned back on the next day and there were like the guards like the guards fell asleep they basically all fell asleep yeah it just it's one of those things where you're like it's there's just so many factors you go this looks so like if you are a conspiracy minded person there is no way you're not like okay it looks really bad horrible but then when you read the actual report what you actually find out is it wasn't just that night these cameras weren't working for weeks and it wasn't just one camera it was half the cameras why are they working at why why wouldn't you because it's because they don't have money for it they'd had like maintenance requests and they'd

been working on these there's documentation for all of this for like weeks where like half the cameras in this prison they were running but they weren't recording right and that like the the jail guards oftentimes they just didn't fucking check on anybody and it was common complaint it's a common complaint through all of our federal prisons right but the the the takeaway from that story is that the state of our federal prisons is abysmal and there was tons of documentation for this and it just happened to be that there's a lot more yeah yeah but i thought that there were so many more like crazy coincidences rather than like oh it's like half the cameras in the prison were working and oh these guards like never pay attention to fucking anybody and like oh fuck like it's it's not as sensational when you get like all the facts of it

yeah yeah there was some some crazy like you know instances of corruption though with like his original like when he originally pled guilty in palm beach and basically like didn't didn't they essentially uh i didn't dig hard into that one that is that does look strange i mean that was essentially like he got caught on all these things. They gave him, like, a total slap on the wrist. Like, nothing. And it seemed like they had him pretty dead to rights on. They had him dead.

Yeah, they did. They had him on, like, underage stuff. And, like, I think they got him for just, like, pandering. Like, essentially, just... He got convicted for, like, soliciting a prostitute, essentially. Something happened. But he was doing crazy shit. And then they...

I don't know what the technical term is, but they basically, like like put the files away so that they could not be accessed by anybody either sealed or expunged or something yeah they were like sealed or whatever so then it couldn't be and it was you know and again there's i don't think anybody debates like if you're some rich powerful guy then you have friends who are in the higher highest regions of government and stuff and you know people do favors for friends like possibly yeah like when it's outside of the law you know so but that was definitely shady um one of your uh better points that i've heard you say a couple times where and you could just kind of reference and now where you're saying that everyone has like a constellation of beliefs

you know what i mean yeah that uh you know you can kind of which is probably also how you describe if you trust someone if you're like do it does this person have one or if they're interesting does this person have one thing that i can't predict that they think you know what i mean but a part of it feels like also it's just because business once business models like start to form around these things and then also maybe tell me if you think this is a part of why to me it feels like some a lot of people uh you know kind of spend their whole life getting you know really understanding one nuanced topic and then that becomes very important at the time and then they become like kind of the smartest person for that moment and then after that's over you

gotta have like a new opinion every day and you just don't have any opinions so the only way to come up with them is to like algorithmically fit into this formula yeah there are some people who there are content creators that happens um i've been doing this for 15 years so i see the the waves the ebbs and the flows where a certain movement will come up and be really popular and some people will ride high on that movement but they're not really that smart they're not really that insightful they can't adapt to anything and they get big pushing that one thing and then when that thing goes they try to make that relevant to everything in the future and more often than not they kind of just end up slipping away because it's just like i don't need a guy you know from 2016 in the gaming

community talking about gamergate or you know if you're obsessed with sjws well now we talk about like woke people or if you were obsessed with some you know niche political issue like red pill stuff was really huge a few years ago with the tates and everything and now that's kind of like slid a bit a lot in popularity and yeah do you think that that stuff's a bit done because i kind of look at some of those podcasts where you see like you know like whatever podcast and all that i think you've done that right yeah but you'll kind of see and you'll be like oh that that thing kind of feels like it came and went and then you go look at the thing and you're like no i still do like crazy views they do okay but like there were a lot of those types of shows and figures gurus and stuff like popping up

but i feel like the only ones that are really going still are whatever does okay but they also branched out too they've got like a lot of daily wire people that make the rotation on that show like they're getting dave rubin on and stuff and then fresh and fit are still going but like i feel like pearl has largely dropped off just pearly things in london i feel like all of the other shows that had kind of like bubbled over a little bit pearly things in London. I feel like all of the other shows that had kind of bubbled over a little bit have kind of gone that way, and the Tates are away from-

Dude, it must be really depressing to run an unsuccessful one of those shows where you have to bring a panel of girls on, and you're like, you guys fucking sluts. And it's like 10 people are watching. I mean, also you do that every day. It's hard. So the only reason they probably go on

is because it pumps their OnlyFans, right? Yeah. For a lot of the girls, yeah, they get a lot of subscriptions and stuff off that. Yeah, and they get good soundbites. But I remember a year ago when whatever, they got some big write-up in the New York Times or Wall Street Journal or something.

I remember you would go and they were getting like 30,000 people live. And I think it's definitely a fraction of that now. It's like a few thousand now, isn't it? It's something. But I remember being like, damn, 30,000 people watching this live right now. Do you not think there's any utility for guys

in some of that stuff? No. Well, here's why I kind of think sometimes, sometimes you'll have a friend that is just terrible with women, you know what I mean? And sometimes they almost need someone to shake it up to be like dude like stop being a pussy like no one's gonna help you need to get your shit together and then once that happens they probably don't need that message every single day but sometimes people do need like a shake up

to you know what i mean i can agree with you in principle like the old pickup artist communities are the old like prior to andrew tate red pill stuff i think there was some value there even if a lot of just like a brain shift sometimes well a lot of it was like phrased very misogynistically but there were like elements of truth to everything that was being talked about so for instance psychology yeah like if you're talking to a girl like ignore the bitch like wait a day before you respond to make her want you because women need guys blah blah and it's like always phrased really poorly but like if you're a type of guy that's ultra fucking clingy and you are texting women too much having an artificial timer like i'm not gonna respond to this text for six hours might actually help you for sure it might but nowadays

the red pill is like cheat on your girlfriend and she'll love you even more now it's like it's a whole other fucking world of detached from i guess you run out you can't just say the same thing you have to keep pushing yeah but that's a hypothesis you test one time you go yeah that didn't work but i'm saying that like the old stuff for however misogynistic you wanted to call it which it was at least there were a lot of elements of that like if you followed it even if it kind of made you a shitty person it worked i don't think the current stuff works that's why i think the shelf life on it was so short because like like there's never been a period ever in the history of the entire united states where a girl is sitting across from a guy at dinner and she sees he's got like

andrew tate on his phone and she's like oh yes a real man for me finally like that's never happened yeah probably not and i mean it was just a bunch of you know those miami bitches are into that you're on that they might be but they're not looking for love they're looking for money well that's what i mean totally different thing you want to hang out on a boat you're right they. They might not say real man, but they might say, this guy might buy me a purse. Maybe. Yeah. Yeah. Or a bracelet.

Yeah. Or something. Yeah. They just love boats. I feel like, because then there was that. And then the sort of, there was also sort of the, I guess like Daily Wire sort of, what do they call it? Like traditional conservative sort of movement.

There was some fighting there. Yeah. The trad cons versus the red pills. Yeah. I was kind of thinking that even because i saw like fresh and fit had some drama with like uh guy gotta be real pregnant and steven crowder has his big like divorce thing right now and it was kind of it almost feels to me a little bit like for like left-wing people the 20s are their most like puritanical and they have to like get jobs and all that stuff but for for like

right-wing people it's almost 30s are sort of the most puritanical because you're sort of like all right you got to have a family but it's all they're all just starting this stuff they have like a three-year-old kid like they're just four years into marriage and then then maybe your kid turns out to go to jail then you get divorced from your wife and you know half the people real life happens and no one's perfect so it's harder sell as you know you kind of get older and life happens and there is no perfect answer yeah and it's like it's so cringy because people are making decisions um people are are making like financial and familial and relationship decisions like politically and i'm like life is so much what do you mean by that okay i'm not calling anybody out if you think i'm talking about you i'm not okay but um i just had a conversation with a friend recently and they're

like oh yeah like i've been struggling i'm trying to like buy a house or whatever and i'm like oh well why are you trying to buy a house like i know this person seems like they're kind of like mobile whatever and like oh well i feel like the gap between homeowners and renters is growing oh and i'm like okay hold on all right there's a lot of good reason i don't i'm a millionaire i don't own a house okay fuck that okay you know there's a lot of good reasons not to own a house you don't have to buy a house because of some... And through talking to them, they might have described it. It felt like a very politically driven decision.

Like, oh, buying a house is important because I don't want to be a rentoid forever. And it's a bad thing to rent. And I'm like, there's a lot of bad things about homes, too. Like, there's pros and cons to everything. If you want to buy a house, then buy a house. You get a lot of freedom to have a house. You can stay in one area for a long time. You can be no fucking landlord.

But also, if the roof or the foundation might complicate your relationship yeah there's a lot of stuff that goes on you can't move for five years unless you want to lose a fuck ton of money you don't have any liquidity in the house even though people say you're building value but i'm just saying that like that's a financial decision don't make it politically people do the same with relationships where it's like oh well like i don't know if i can date this girl like she's got like four bodies and she's 26 and i heard that like if a girl has four bodies the studies say that there's a 45 and it's like what the fuck that's young retard shit though yeah i feel like you don't need to make decisions based on your political orientation like parts of things that play in your politics are going to play into your personal decisions like a conservative

is more likely to be christian or christian more like to be conservative so being christian might influence your relationship choices but don't make relationship choices based on your fucking political outlook that's crazy but some of that is just like young like idealism like dude every 14 year old

is like yeah I want to marry a 10 that's this and this and you're like the same as girls you know kind of a lot I feel like a lot of dudes

on the internet get mad at the girls that are just like I need a guy that makes eight figures and this and that you're like that's not who

she actually dates she dates like some fucking hobo and then she waits around for two years and goes alright right turns out that's not enough yeah so i'm not getting that yeah yeah yeah i just yeah the everything being so political is like brain rotted people on fucking everything so like even yeah and then like you said before like relationships are complicated like a lot like life is yeah and it's hard to tell you know it's funny because like i was in a prior to this i had a marriage i'm divorced now it was an open marriage so a lot of people were saying that like oh well when your marriage ends it's going to tell. You know, it's funny because, like, I was in a, prior to this, I had a marriage. I'm divorced now.

It was an open marriage. So a lot of people were saying that, like, oh, well, when your marriage ends, it's going to be because it was an open marriage. It's like, I've had normal relationships. And it wasn't because they were closed marriages. Or, like, Stephen Crowder and his wife are having, like, the most brutal fucking online fight of the world. Nobody says it's because they were Christian or heterosexual or whatever. Like, relationships are complicated. There's a lot of shit that happens.

And, yeah, even questions where it's like who initiated the divorce it's like that doesn't even tell you anything one anybody can be a petitioner to divorce it doesn't matter and two

like what if I get divorced for my wife because I hate her and the reason I hate her is because she's shitting all over the bedroom like whose fault is that is it mine for divorcing

or her for shitting all over the bedroom yeah but what if she shits all over the bedroom because I hate her and I poison her fucking food well now whose fault is it

right and what if you know what if I poison her fucking food because she you know poisoned my fucking dog because she didn't like seeing my dog anymore like i'm just saying like relationships are complicated and it's like one dimensional analysis of like 73 percent of divorces are started by women and the reason why is because they hate men they're trying to upgrade to chads and hypergamy like bro what the fuck well a lot of times is you did they just take the positives and remove the negatives like even the tribe i think the amount of guys that are just like, oh, that'd be sick.

I'm like, yeah, if you work 30 hours a week and you just have, like, nonstop time, if you're a busy as fuck dude, the last thing you want is a girl who does nothing but, like, want you around. Yeah. Yeah, it's, yeah. It's, yeah. And none of these guys, like, Ben Shapiro is probably, like, the only guy I know of, I think, that leads by a pretty strong example. And that, like, he seems to have a really positive relationship he speaks really highly of his wife she seems to help him a lot with things that they've like met been it's a very conservative personality and he seems like he has a healthy relationship yeah although he doesn't even

talk relationships or push that as much as like everybody else but everybody else in the scene yeah has like crazy shit going on with their relationship well there is the on aggregates like if you are saying like hey you're better off off. You've talked about this in terms of college, right? There's a lot of people that would say college is kind of a scam now. There's probably some truth to spending $100,000 on a BA is a ripoff. Out of state school, you're a poor kid. On some bullshit. It is true that some people probably come out of college almost stupider if you go for the wrong thing sure but if you don't really know what you're

doing that might be a better pathway right so just the same thing i think that conversation happens with like marriage and all this sort of things like yes the less like alternative lives are better if you can handle that if you're just like a normal person like ben shapiro's advice is probably more likely to lead to the better path the same way that's saying hey you're just like a normal person, like Ben Shapiro's advice is probably more likely to lead to the better path. The same way that saying, hey, you're probably better off to take a normal job than be a fucking comedian. You know what I mean? Yeah, for sure. But you need to be like, yeah, I need to make that struggle.

And I know that. And you're just like, yeah, I know that. And I'm still doing this. Just be realistic about what you're telling people. Just be realistic about the pros and cons because everything's got pros and cons. And be honest about why things work and why some things don't work well i think that's like so much of like the normalization shit like i was that shit did drive me nuts because it was very like we need to normalize everything but then obviously the conservative side of that is like

nothing the narrowest fucking path yeah nothing no one should ever like but you know no one would ever do anything great if you know yeah but no should you encourage every kid to you know drop out to try to be a rapper like probably not like they should have some adversity a little bit on their way to that pathway maybe yeah yeah yeah i just wish people were more honest about the pros and cons of everything but yeah the other thing about online stuff too is uh you almost find one thing that's the problem like you know you've uh for libertarians it would be like the government for bernie sanders it would be like billionaires for like feminists it's men like you kind of find your one and then you plug every answer into that thing and i guess that's a part of everything being political right now but yeah i talk about that a lot it's like you

should have a toolbox of ways that you can view the world like feminism or critical theory or whatever mra red pill whatever like these are all like different tools that you can use to get a different perspective of the world but anytime somebody has like one thing that fixes like everything like i feel like i could talk to somebody and say like yeah when i was seven years old i had a really traumatic experience my uncle raped me and they were like that's because the Fed is printing way too much money and your uncle was responding to these horrible, and it's like,

oh, you supported Ron Paul in 2008 and you're a social libertarian. Okay, I get it. It's the Federal Reserve, right? Or like a mass shooter happens and you've got feminists tweeting out like, this is what happens

when toxic masculinity runs amok. And you found out the guy is like a sociopath and I'm like, okay. Well, they were saying that in New York. They were just like, there was like a big article

and we talked about it. What was the publication? But they basically said the guys who were like basically crazy guys but like there was there's maga fueled it was from salon it was like there goes maga fueled rage yeah this guy is probably fucking crazy they're all probably more of the thing that the toxic probably fucking all people who would have in a different era been in a mental institution. Although there were a lot of times in LA,

I remember walking through the homeless encampments that are under every single underpass and you'll see sometimes women get attacked and the guys are screaming about their disdain for third wave feminism.

They're on Twitter. Yeah, they're big on that. Or maybe in LA they're toxically masking but for the rest of people I think they're fucking crazy. Yeah, they're mental. But I feel like to some degree you're you're right that the reason is because everything got political but like it's almost like politics has to be like

the second thing because i think that's one of the reasons why comedy is good but like sports is a little bit like that uh you know tech if you talk to like that's why a lot of times i think like a lot of tech guys have good opinions because it it's like, their first thing is, you know, making money. And then their second thing is politics. So they have another reason to be honest other than politics. You know what I mean?

And they get really penalized for like lying essentially. Like if they don't actually see the world the way it is, then like, if they, you know, put these kind of filters over it that aren't actually real, then they're like, they get penalized.

You know, they can't just have these. Maybe. Yeah. Dep depends on the guy you're talking about or what we're talking about but well i think that um okay so if i was to say whether i wanted to listen to someone's opinion you know what i mean so let's say someone was saying whether or not i think that trump's gonna win right okay okay well if i look at how they actually are placing bets you know someone's saying that i think new york's going to shit and they're actually, you know, pulling all their business out of New York. I know that they actually believe that. Oh, that's yes. I agree. There's so many people that have these very strong beliefs, but you're like, you don't have any,

any, any reality to anchor it first. It kind of comes, the politics is first and then all your actions are second. They don't really have to follow as much. as soon as you start betting, I wish there was a central exchange where if you were a political commentator, you were forced to even if it was with fake currency, that you had to bet or there were markets for you had to participate in them in order to show that the predictions you're making that you have an appropriate bet for the level of conviction that you're expressing for what you're saying is humans don't understand intuitively percentages at all. But as soon as you start betting, those become very very very real like if some guy says there's a 99 chance that trump is winning the next election then i should be able to say oh

well i'll bet you a hundred to like uh what would it be fifty thousand dollars that's like better odds even than um or a hundred to i always tell that people oh you can bet on vegas go do it i'll do a hundred bucks you give me nine thousand if you're right then we should be good right that's i'm giving you better odds than you're predicting. When I started doing that for people, I noticed that they didn't even reject me or accept it. Instead, they actually became incredibly reasonable. They had all the information there. It was just blocked before because of the social pressure and all the bullshit.

They were like, well, Trump could get sick. Or maybe one of these indictments is real. Or maybe he gets convicted. Or maybe something else. Oh, so you knew this before. You weren't matching the level of conviction for the information in your head until somebody like you said forced you to stake a position on it yeah and that's why so a lot of times like being a good social commentator or a good you know an analyst of any sort you're looking for almost like

discrepancies in a market right and i think a lot of times you know but you don't think so i you're speaking about an idealized form what happens right now is a a lot of times you know what you don't think so i you're speaking about an idealized form what happens right now is a shit show of horrible fucking happiness but i agree with you that you're right is it yeah it's almost like a good it's almost like a it's almost like a psychological arbitrage i'm trying to find like this is what the world's saying but i found a better i think i have a better prediction yeah i think they're a little bit wrong like and sometimes it's even something like this guy sucks yeah like everyone's like dude that guy sucks and you're just like nah i don't think he's as bad as you're saying he is you know what i mean then you kind of take

that position eventually everyone realizes you were right and then you kind of gain credibility yeah yeah that should be how it goes you guys were like you were overshooting how how much that guy's a liar like you know and you're kind of looking for these like discrepancies and what the mob is saying versus what's reality and if you get that right i think then then you're doing a good job of it yeah but that doesn't happen i said no it's just everybody you get that right i think then then you're doing a good job of it yeah but that doesn't happen i said no it's just everybody you do that but you only do that to the other side that all your people disagree with anyway exactly well this people just want to find the people who are just saying the thing they already agree with but isn't that only politics

because that's why i was saying when you have something like whether it be tech or whether it be even comedy like whether you make a good you know uh whether your jokes are good or just like you were kind of right about this thing like all whether if there's like another first order thing before the second order thing if you're politics and you get it wrong like you're still you're just trying to convince those people now like i was actually still kind of right like you know what i mean there's always a reason why yeah so maybe that's why like politics sometimes and politics like inevitable to get there yeah plus they always well then you can vote for the other guy which you hate so you'll just have to accept me with fellas it is important to me that the supplements i take are of the highest quality and that's why i've been taking ag1 for about two years now every single morning it is the first thing i do

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to help make starting the good habit that much easier yeah and you have to understand like when you go to political people to listen to them you're not there's this truth or fact that's like an aesthetic that people wear it's not actually like a principled commitment when you're going to a guy like this you just want him to reinforce like the things that you know are true and to give you like the next set of marching orders for whatever the talking points are for the next case like do you think anybody's honestly tuning into anything on fox news or steven crowder tim pool to figure out what's going on in the new york case with trump no of course not they're there for the marching orders for like why is the new jury bullshit why is brags a piece

of shit why is um you know why are these charges all fake and bullshit like that's what you're going for like if you were to turn on a conservative you know commentator a pro trump guy and he's like you know what actually i i've read the indictments on this and i've listened to all the statements i think there's some credibility here that guy is not going to be people aren't going to listen like oh that's it won't even get asked back like if he goes on fox and you go your family's gonna revolt yeah they say that they're like okay well you can't come back on our program anymore yeah maybe i'm being a little idealistic i agree with what you say that's how it should be i think that would be really cool we've got people staking out different positions like oh well who's correct but people will say wild shit you know donald trump's gonna win in a 50 state

landslide and it's like not any loses and it's like where's the credibility or the accountability yeah i always kind of like it even when i find one where i think like even like we've kind of made fun of all the lizzo stuff because she's become like the poster person for you know whatever being fat and stuff like that but then like i kind of saw her in a bunch of interviews and i was like oh i think lizzo's funny and i'm like everyone's like trashing her and i'm like no i'm pretty sure she's funny like i kind of like when i find those positions where i'm like no i know everyone thinks this i think she's actually kind of cool like you know what i mean it might be kind of like like i like finding those uh little discrepancies even when it's against everyone it might be maybe i'm guessing a little bit but maybe for a comedy because that's kind of what you're looking for like you're trying to push

a little bit yeah i imagine it'd be kind of boring to go and see a comedian that just like agrees with every single thing that you say and all the jokes are like 100 lining up like i imagine somebody's supposed to make parts of the audience feel a little bit uncomfortable or laugh at themselves or whatever all right more so than a political guy but tech you'd be like imagine everyone's like yo this this idea is terrible and you're like they're wrong you know the same thing you'd be like that you found this uh like you feel this i hope i hope everyone thinks i'm wrong because i know i'm right right the best thing that could happen opportunity but there's no reward for like having that position in political punditry like yeah there's no like score there's no real score being kept like maybe it's probably

closer to something you know you if you have a big following on twitter then you know you start making a bunch of prognostications that are wrong you lose a fraction of your audience who goes this guy sucks and so you probably gain a new fraction who likes you because you they agree with what you're saying and it's if anything if you make if you make bold or bright predictions that go against your audience even when you're right you can get punished for it a really good example of that is when fox news before anybody else felt very confident that they could call the election in arizona yeah and their audience and donald trump fucking hated them for that trump almost blamed fox news i think they were either text or phone because we were saying

it's your fault that like we couldn't close the election he said he'll never go back on there right he's like he's like i'll never go back on fox news yeah and the prediction's right yeah so what where is the reward for why the fuck would you even be honest when that's that's not what you're being rewarded for in that arena yeah i mean that hurt though that did i yeah i forgot about the but that really hurt them like a lot of their base was like why would you do this so when you think of like the well because i guess people they're like hey we are at the end of the day like trying to be journalists the reporters are at fox news they do at all at all real at all mainstream publications the reporters try to do the best they at all at all real at all mainstream publications

the reporters try to do the best they've got leanings and biases for sure but nobody's out there telling blatant fucking lies generally that's pretty rare there might be slants or they leave some stuff out or yeah yeah a mission i mean also might just be like you're so in the like propaganda bubble that you don't think it's a lie anymore yeah you have to for self-preservation or your brain would go nuts which but i wish more people would acknowledge that like the vast majority of journalists people working in government people ever they're trying to do the right thing sometimes they get it wrong for sure and there are times when they need to be held accountable or called out or somebody to change but you can't change them if you're going in being

like oh you're a fucking satan spawn demon fuck that's why you're doing this you want us to fucking die you want to destroy the country like no they're probably trying to do the best they can and they're fucking up for reasons that we need to understand so we can change it but i guess bureaucracies just get so much rot like i know you saw the npr thing recently which one basically like the one of the main what's his name he basically just came out and said uh like he's like i've been working here for 25 years and now our whole audience is like we have 87 registered democrats zero registered republicans and he goes it used to be like we had it wasn't like he's like we had a pretty uh evenly balanced audience and now it's

just like all new york times has huge problems with this as well the aclu had a lot of still has problems with this as well after trump too yeah for sure there are huge problems where we're segregating more and more in society into different arenas and it's not good yeah and i would think what he's saying with npr and he just got suspended today actually for essentially i don't think he got fired but got suspended but what he's essentially saying he's right it's like there's no coming back like the npr is not gonna be able to claw back like i don't know if you like cnn's been trying to do it for the last year where they'll bring on like ted cruz or something and i'm like what the hell is ted cruz doing on cnn but they're trying to tack back to the middle a bit and it's like almost too late yeah i don't

know we'll see yeah we'll see what happens everything has gone pretty crazy in terms of like factual accuracy and epistemic realities and echo chambers and yeah it's gotten really weird i think so but that's why maybe i guess the one thing is to look at it and it's almost like it's not even relevant why they're doing it whether they're you know whether they're propagandists or they actually believe it or they're trying their best it's almost irrelevant the probably truth is that they're just gonna get crushed by like a new thing like some of these things it's hard to you know sometimes like uh change old ships to moving times you know yeah but we have to be careful it's like when socialists are like we need the

revolution and it's like bro if a revolution happens in america the next government's not going to be a socialist one okay you're fucking crazy all right yeah the uh yeah the guys that are kissing the blm shoes in seattle you're the last people in the world that want a violent revolution in this country trust me um but people need to not have this and you think the same thing with media a bit yeah that what comes next might not necessarily be better people have this misconception um i said this at the minds thing and i got booed like crazy people think that humans are truth-seeking machines that's not true truth is an instrument that we use to make ourselves feel better usually those things align but when those things fall out of

alignment where you've got uncomfortable truth versus thing that makes me feel good, people almost naturally gravitate in this direction, because that's just what our minds are equipped to do. It's how we evolved. And it's a very unnatural process to say like, okay, well, let's try to be a little bit more likely to follow truthful things, even if I have to admit that I was wrong about something, or this makes me uncomfortable. But if people assume that we're going in this direction, when we're oriented in this direction direction then they don't try to correct for it and then we just keep heading further and further in that direction so yeah like like if somebody said somebody will say to me things like uh i don't trust the cia or the fbi i don't trust any of the mainstream media

and it's like okay i guess that's fair and they're like look at this story by russia today look at these stories by al jazeera look at it it's like okay wait why the fuck do you trust this shit but you don't trust our fucking shit what the fuck you just went the other way yeah why the fuck would you trust any like actual putin state controlled state-run media over and you think they're all the same they have the same motivation they're doing too right that's just yeah it's literally just like the enemy of my enemy is my friend at that point or more it's it seems like that but what's really happening is you just have to remember people are selecting for things that make them feel good yeah yeah when i turn on this guy's program, it's because I want to hear the marching orders.

I want to feel like I'm good and safe and that everything in my world makes sense. And that's what it's supposed to be. Well, I guess the difference is the one revolution is essentially, you know, hijacking a government to make them do it. And the other revolution is like natural market forces. Yeah. But it's the effect might be the same in terms of how it affects people. But the cause might be different. But it's important to recognize the cause so that we can fix it.

Because if you don't have the cause correctly recognized, then you're never going to be able to fix the problem. Like if some guy says, I hate black people, and you're like, okay. But you find out that this guy has grown up in an all-white town. He's met one black person his entire life. Well, my guess is if you just meet some black people, you're not going to feel that way anymore. But if another guy is like a card-carrying fucking Nazii and he says it well changing his beliefs on you know another race people's gonna be way different than the other guy that just lacks exposure yeah well sometimes they probably to some degree almost maybe the like uh mainstream media and then the

like alternative media that is like essentially running against them in some ways is like a good relationship because even if you think about like i mean I can think in our industry but on every industry like one of the telltale signs that they're off the mark is they start telling you the wrong picks like they're like oh these are the top musicians they start they start telling you this movies you know the most popular when no one actually watched it they start telling you this comedians the new guy and anyone who follows it's like nobody cares about that person you know I mean so they start making these they start taking companies they go this company you know they start doing the big profiles on companies so they start to essentially try to rig the game

and the more that there's like an alternative to that kind of uh to be able to be like yo that's crazy it forces them to be like you know sort of tell the correct yeah that forces them to correct a little bit that can happen but then like but in other times again i don't know i feel like the narratives become so disconnected from reality how many times on the right have you heard this over and over again go woke go broke go woke go broke when the fuck is that happening when are they gonna go broke i thought budweiser was supposed to be non-existent now like what happened how do they still fucking sell beer you don't think there's any places that like went like broke from you know what just going like crazy progressive i was looking at it the other day i don't know the planet fitness where planet fitness is at but i was looking at every other company and

like they and now maybe you could say that they would have been their share price would have been higher but they i think every single one of them recovered whatever losses like target budweiser like if you would have bought their stock when all that shit happened they unwoke but did they or like i mean target was basically they're like yeah there are people are harassing our employees so we're just gonna get rid of these things i mean definitely the comedy uh television industry there hasn't there's been like you know three big ones big movies stuff like that i mean part of it is the changing landscape or whatever but you can even just look at i mean think about the people like you and people like

uh just look at like the streaming community of Aiden Ross and all these people. Like the amount of that, you know, you can look at most people in the industry where you're like, the industry would have a cut of this at some, if this was before. And now they don't. So maybe not go broke entirely, but you go, you're not, you're not profiting off the talent the way you used to be. Potentially, yeah. I mean, like things, yeah, there are good business decisions, there are bad business decisions.

Sometimes like being woke has really big benefits in that you open your audience up a fuck ton. And then it's got downsides in that sometimes your shit can be incredibly fucking corny depending on how you deal with it. But then on the flip side, if you're like, well, I'm not gonna be woke,

we're gonna be hardcore and edgy. And like, you can do that and appeal to like a particular type of audience a lot more, but then you also like might lose part of your viewer base as well because they don't want to see the edgy shit it's all just like balances and trade-offs but like people are like they have this principle shit you know how many people do you really think are still sticking to that i don't wear nikes anymore like six years later i can't imagine like six months like maybe maybe that one shoe cycle like one cycle of

purchasing shoes they go I bought Adidas this one time we were gonna do a sketch it was a it was stuff swap and it was like

Republicans are boycotting this and they had the liberals are boycotting this and then just swap this just swap this shit make a store for it in exchange have you ever heard of

no I'm sure you guys have both heard of but the do you remember the Malcolm Gladwell book I think it was the 10,000 hours one or maybe Limitless

or whatever but he sort of talked it might have been tipping point but he sort of talked about this with the airwalk example where i think you could talk about this with all politics stuff where he was kind of saying like whenever you're catching like a real wave that's going to be gone it's like you actually if you want any longevity you actually want to like flame down that wave so like whether that be like being hyper progressive or like leaning all into just like america you know what i mean you almost want to like fan those flames down when you're just like yeah you're when you're just getting like these crazy short-term bumps on something

it's like if you actually want a long company you actually step away from that yourself and let yourself lose some momentum in the short term for better for the long term there's i i agree with the philosophy of that there's um people you just have to recognize what you're doing when you're doing it there are huge movements that can start online you can grow on the back of that movement but you just need to be aware that once the movement recedes a lot of your fan base is going to recede too because you grew it on that hype and when the hype goes away you're going to lose a lot of it so and you can't uh like change it all probably yeah i think that yeah because you suffer audience capture you got to be careful how you move after you've gotten a certain type of audience.

You can ride those waves, but you have to be careful and understand that you're going to lose a chunk of it eventually, and you need to convert those people into different types of viewers or fans. Oh, that's a good point. Yeah, but that can be very hard, and it just depends on how you do it. But you have to be aware that if you're growing with a wave, you're going to collapse with a wave as well. And it's slow, right? What's slow? You know, the same as probably converting customers, like, from if you have a product, you know? Oh, the conversion is slow.

It's a slow burn. You know what I mean? It's something you're, like, always constantly doing a little bit. Yeah. The conversion is slow, but not the initial growth from the waves. That's why people jump onto them. Because it's like, why the fuck would I grind this shit when I could hop on this trend and get huge? But the problem is those people, when they lose anything, it it's very hard and i'm sure you guys experience this too

but in the youtube and streaming world if you have a thousand viewers for one year and then in one month you get 10 000 viewers and then for the rest of the year you've got 2 000 viewers you feel like shit of course right you feel fucking horrible because in your mind that 10 000 number is there and what the fuck happened it's like bro happened doubled your concurrent viewership what's wrong and it's like fuck me and then they quit they can't handle it yeah so some people can't handle the rise of the wave and then going down a little bit it's like it's okay you're converting now fuck that i was up here i need to get back just like investing it's just the same as like some people just can't handle sometimes those wild swings when you're like the warren buffets are like i check every three months to see what's

going on and that's about it yeah it's probably the same in normal life like if you were hey let's uh you know you have a wife or whatever and you're just like i want to convert us into like a fitness couple and that was not who you were it's not like tomorrow you come in and you're like everything's out of the clubber you're doing this it's like that's just like you'll just lose her or you're you know whatever just live in turmoil but if you're those are all slow burns if you're like we're going to convert our family into kind of a this family now you know yeah we're a paintball family now we're an influencer family and then six months later your kids are tied to a pipe in the basement you're hitting them and stuff and you go depending how old they are they probably deserve it um what i actually we sort of grazed past this but i wanted to actually ask you about

it because obviously i know that there's two things the israel stuff but also from a legal standpoint because i know that trump stuff's happening here i actually thought it would be funny to go there and ask people if how do they pay off their prostitutes at the trial but like what do what do you think's actually gonna happen like right now with the stormy daniels one with also like like i i kind of see all this stuff from a normal person you have to think from a statistical standpoint he has 91 charges like if he gets off on 91 charges all 91 of them across four cases across four cases but you're like you have to figure one of them is gonna stick he's definitely an convicted of something um the problem the thing that sucks is there is is a federal case relating to retention of classified material and obstruction of justice in Florida, but it's a federal case for the Mar-a-Lago thing.

That was the one, yeah, with the documents in the bathroom? Yeah, that's a dead-to-rights one. He's completely fucked on that, unless they literally fabricated everything in the indictment. He's completely fucked on that. You've got the really big kind of Jan 6 freedom of speech thing um or the obstruction of the congress thing um well the federal one jack smith is that's a federal case and the georgia one is largely echoing that as part of the rico those two are going to be really fascinating to watch the new york one is just like it's like a thing and he shouldn't have done it and it's

it's probably a legitimate case but it's like this is an ex-president who's running for president like is this really what we should be doing right now yeah and he has to that that's the crazy thing is he has to be in court every day for this i saw that that they made that ruling yeah they made that ruling and why did they give a rationale for it i think that's just for this type of trial that's just how it is and because he tried he wanted to go to his son's high school graduation they're like you can't do that you can't be out of court and i think it's you know sick could be six weeks where he generally, I guess maybe for him, this is his campaigning. Like just him being in the news every day as this like martyr is good enough where he

doesn't have to be on the kid. But you know, normally he probably would be going town to town every day. And now he's just stuck in New York. I would have to see the norms on that. Like, is it ordinary that you have a person in court every day for that? Because if not, that feels pretty, I don't know i that i i don't know yeah i would think maybe well also there are i guess the new thing like last couple days i said they're having trouble selecting jurors because they're trying they need to find someone that isn't impartial impartial jurors in what

world do you have a strong opinion on donald trump yeah who's the dad or the son i don't even know yeah is there a single person that's impartial in new york that's the thing in new york in new york does it have to be new york city or can they come from are they going to rochester and i think i that's a good question i know no i think it has to be like probably in the borough the five boroughs maybe staten island that's a skit for you guys right yeah but that's trying to find the jurors going into the forest finding lumberjacks finding an impartial fucking juror you're looking for some matt walsh with a beard chopping a tree down it's like sir you know what year it is you know donald trump is i mean i don't even know if you could be the guy from the apprentice once you

explained everything though even if somehow you found someone who didn't know who he was and then you're like okay you're gonna start finding out. This guy was the president and now all this stuff. It seems like if you weren't impartial before, you're going to develop some kind of bias. Yeah, I don't know. He has to be there for jury selection. And then they keep complaining because he keeps

falling asleep every day. Does he have to be awake for it? As long as his lawyer is ready, fuck it. I slept through school, fuck it. Why not jury selection? I don't have shit to say that's a good point that's just like him getting uh just stealing some sleep you know you're gonna force me to be there i'm gonna yeah i'm gonna eight hours in court that means i got 16 hours for the rest of the day to go party do you think he's trying to set a precedent to the like this is how not important it is to me sort of thing i mean yeah to a degree but also just yeah i don't know it's also be like a 78

year old man who sleeps like also he's you know he sleeps four hours a night or something so he probably is one of those dudes who's you know whenever he takes like a limo ride takes a nap doses off and catch a sleep here and there there was a study where they talked about um there was like a few presidents there's a lot of like really famous people that'll say like you know i famously slept four hours and they're kind of done this study where they're like there are like one in a thousand people that just like randomly don't need that much sleep six hours and whatnot yeah and then they all get alzheimer's though oh yeah like apparently that you know yeah yes you're fine but your brain still gets you did or you made like jerry jones is the owner of the cowboys is one of those guys i've

said it before but like he everybody's like he falls asleep everywhere yeah like everywhere like meetings like the moment he hops in a car plane anything he's just like he falls asleep but he's like i only sleep four hours a night but you're like yeah you make it up in 20 minute increments here and there and maybe that's more efficient i don't know for him i feel like when it comes to stuff like that i think you should always just like look at the military like if it was possible that people could make it on six hours of sleep the military would probably be doing it and if you're not if they haven't found a way to like break that cycle of needing eight hours and it's probably not possible i doubt some dude because they want people high performance yeah of course yeah you want yeah yeah that's a

good point and is the military like strict on eight hours? I'm pretty sure you get a full night's sleep generally, yeah. Maybe if you're deployed or there's like active shit going on. Right. It's a little bit different, but yeah. So you, just to wrap that up though, you think that there's pretty high likelihood he gets prosecuted on something and actually convicted? He'll absolutely get convicted on one of these 91.

Has to. And then what? He's going to go on the which one? 91 and 0? He has to. Mar-a-Lago will definitely be that one that yeah absolutely he's come it's that case is so insane he's like calling one of his employees and he's like all right they're gonna come uh clear some documents out i need you to move like go through them take pictures

of what's there killing them yeah i need you to take these boxes out move them in another room we're gonna tell the other guys that that's everything so when the investigators come they don't know and then actually move these boxes to my house i'm gonna pack my plane and fly like it was like so and he's like showing shit to people being like it's like every horrible fucking thing a client could do i could have declassified these but i didn't i'm probably not supposed to show these to you but i am so like the mensarea is there for every single part of the fucking crime and it's just like jesus christ i guess on a personal level if you're just a guy that doesn't seem like like it does feel like a little bit you're just like jesus christ i guess on a personal level if you're just a guy that

doesn't seem like like it does feel like a little bit you're just like all i see is if you're if i mean if you were somewhat impartial i think you do see you're just like okay they're throwing everything in the kitchen sink at him and like what you got him is this box of documents doesn't feel that hectic you know the issue is that the the issue is um i'm trying to remember i went through all the three big cases i think on the documents one i don't think he's actually charged with um with willful retention of classified material i think that the charges all relate to obstruction and that's the issue the issue isn't that he kept some things and even that he showed it people blah blah i don't think he didn't cooperate after it's not even that he wouldn't

cooperate it's that he literally obstructed as hard as he could nara was trying to get these seconds back for a year it was a year that they gave him until finally why do you think he did that i don't know it was so stupid it was such a dumb thing they're giving you a year to do it and then finally the fbi shows up and starts taking shit like well now you're federally fucked now you fucked yourself i don't know why he took i have no idea i mean i've heard one opinion where he's just like this is all just like memorabilia to him but it's not because he's literally in one of these interviews he's like they said that i wanted to invade iran well look

at what look at what mark milley okay look at what he dropped this is his plan by the way not mine fuck him okay this is classified okay and it's like this is classified i probably shouldn't be telling it to you as the camera is rolling yeah this is off the record guys right ex-president united right my god bro what the fuck yeah he's just he's it's so stupid and people will say that arrogance yeah people will say this thing where it's like it feels like they're throwing the you know the book at them you know they'll kitchen sink everything's been done it's like yeah it's like yeah but he's also like exceptionally brazen and fucking crazy with the shit that he's like bro slow down yeah at least like act like a career criminal what the fuck like if this was real

estate you wouldn't be saying the same shit in front of a fucking camera what's we're gonna kick out all the black people you'd be more clever than that okay you'd say something different yeah yeah that was uh because i'm sure there's other presidents but to the to that degree where they would like if they go yeah they're calling they want the stuff back, they would be like, all right, just give it back to them, I guess. Yeah, I don't know. We'll see. Yeah. Because like you said, because then the weird thing comes up where it's like the Department of Justice is part of the, you've got your three branches of governance.

The DOJ exists under the executive branch. The president is technically the head of the executive branch, depending on your executive unitary theory and all that. The president could theoretically be elected, Donald Trump, and then go to the DOJ and say, hey, listen, we're going to kill all these investigations on me. And that's fully within his power to do. So who knows what would happen. But they would have to not be concluded at that point?

We could just kill him. I mean, the problem, too, is this trial is going to end in whatever, two months, and then the new one will start. He's just going to be jammed up until November. Definitely jammedmed up yeah for sure but the two federal ones he could just act he can't do anything about the georgia one or the new york one but what happens if they get adjudicated before november like what happens if they go through the entire the federal ones there's no shot they will be oh they're just they're super like georgia oh yeah for sure um yeah and then even like let's say the state one let's say that new york is like we want to jail this guy for

you know six months or whatever. What the fuck does that look like? Because he could be elected president and he's in jail. Does he get secret service in jail? Does he get his own cell? He would get his own like wing of a jail. Does he get a green screen at least for speeches? Do we have to see him like from behind bars or?

I mean, that would certainly hurt America's standing in the world. That would be insane. Like America is in jail. He's like talking shit to Xi Jinping being like, can you wait till I get out of here? I mean, America always fancies itself as like above all this stuff. You know? That also does make

us cool. So our states are very powerful. Our states are so independent, they can arrest our president. So I don't know. It's so wild. I think we're living in kind of a collective delusion or fantasy right now where we're just trying to pretend like we're not gonna have to deal with these unbelievably actually what i think what the institutions are praying for is just please let biden win because it would make everything so much more simple but if trump wins it's there's a lot of crazy questions that are gonna be coming up like what the fuck do we

do now when biden wins like is pretty seems i mean i I know that you like Biden, but it seems like he's, there's almost zero chance he makes it through the next four years. Maybe he just has to make it through the next seven, eight months, right? So he just has to make it through the election, okay? He just has to make it through. Also, when I say hopefully Biden wins, in this sense, I'm just saying in terms of, like, knowing what we do with the Trump court cases. I'm not necessarily saying it'll be better or worse than Trump. I obviously think it'll be better but i'm just saying in terms of even if you're a trump fan you have to admit that trump winning office makes there's a lot of very challenging

novel complicated questions that don't have obvious answers to them in terms of the criminal charges and everything right i think it puts all them in jail you think i'm in jail you're in jail come and arrest me the national guard is here against the fucking nypd yeah jesus i don't know does biden have to make it past the election or past the inauguration um that's a good question if somebody dies before inauguration like can he but can he win the election and say like you know what i'm i'm actually not feeling so great well so we'll just let i feel like you have to wait till inauguration right yeah but if he makes the election you can do inauguration yeah they can jack him up with not great options he'll be okay got a lot of drugs right now and keep him hyped up he'll be able to get an rfk surprise who knows it does seem like there's a lot of stuff going on and almost killed all the like culture war conversations in a lot of ways like

with just like the israel palestine stuff like it does feel like that was the like button on uh one chapter of america and that was sort of the start of a new one do you find that a little bit yeah i'm just glad to be done with the trans stuff because listening to every to santas and florida and new bills and michael knolls and everybody wants to talk about trans everything for like years why do you think it's uh over do you think that the because now the israel palestine stuff the border stuff was big for a little bit and then we're coming into the election and i just think it's uh over do you think that the because now the israel-palestine stuff the border stuff was big for a little bit and then we're coming into the election and i just think there's other things to talk about than trans people do you think biden or do you think much will change like geopolitically with trump in i don't even know because everything is up in the air and crazy

yeah they never really solved the trans stuff though they're just sort of they're just like what happened like even the the like when you talk about the bland the blank fitness was it planet fitness you're like the blank fitness, was it? Planet Fitness. Planet Fitness. You're like, so what happens? Do you make a new bathroom? Do they go in the other ones? No, Planet Fitness kicked out the people who complained,

and they go, no, this is fine here. If you complain and photograph people in our bathrooms, we're going to ban you for life. The reality is, for that stuff, I genuinely believe that both sides make it such a huge issue. This sounds kind of shitty, but the reality is that like if you pass you should probably just go to whatever bathroom i actually think that's the real thing everything and most trans people would agree with that and you got to give it a college try if you're actually trying to be a

chick yeah you can't half-ass it no beards yeah and yeah and like because like it's so weird like because conservatives will say these things about like well i don't want my you know little girl see the blah blah blah it's like okay well how weird would i feel if i'm with my son in the bathroom and fucking blair white comes walking in if you're like a conservative guy it'd be strange yeah yeah or um buck angel if you're like yeah you're with a yeah you're with a little girl and she your mom you come out and then buck angel walks in it's like well you know the conservative said i gotta be you know peeing in here so here i am and it's like like yeah but no one's thinking of it that way they're i know really really everyone's just like

we don't want them the girls one like the guys one the truth is like you said the blair white example the truth is you wouldn't give a shit no one would right like if you know the truth i mean if an actual woman came into the guys washing i don't think i think for the majority of it is like it's like people make if mrs doubtfire was made today the conservatives would lose their fucking minds that it's like oh cross-dressing around a child this is trans propaganda what it would be over they would it's like bro does anybody actually give a fuck about any of this just the rules should be they'll make mrs doubtfire but they'll also make ladybugs dude it really does feel like the policy is like uh you know conservatives settle down and

like trans people it's like come on you gotta try it and like uh you know conservatives settle down and like trans people it's like come on you gotta try a little and then like you gotta come on yeah or like and the stuff that's bad that people do that are bad it doesn't matter if you're trans or not like if i'm in the male locker room and some dude is shaking his dick in front of me i don't feel comfortable i don't care if they're trans or woman or whatever the fuck that's just fucking weird and i feel like most of the laws or regulations or policies on the books will probably deal with 99.999 of situations it's just like it got blown up but it's such a crazy issue with these crazy arguments and it's like yeah in canada actually right now they had i don't know if you saw there's a non-binary person who that was a pretty good one

yeah who petitioned who they wanted a sex change but they didn't want a full they're like a male to female they're not even male to female they're non-binary biological male and then they want a vagina as well they won their case they won their case to have the government pay for a vagina to be put in and it can't even be done in canada because there's no doctor that can do it so it's being done in texas so the canadian so people in canada like our taxes are literally going for this person to go get a vagina put in. Listen,

I'm all for it if it leads to like, if I can get like a third eye installed or some shit. That's, that could be like the, if you're,

okay, well, I want a 12 inch dick now. Sure. Okay. And it's important to my health. That's fair. I mean,

the problem is, as long as we extend it more. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The problem is, people in Canada are like, yeah,

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a lot of the, the kind of the main issues. There were just like so many edge cases that kind of, uh, you could point to that. You could just kind of like, even, um,

when we're talking about the sports thing or whatever, and just the last thing we'll move off train stuff. But when there's just like edge cases that you can point to where you're like, that's crazy. And then no one would just say that's crazy. And that just led, I think that just drove people fucking nuts.

That's this was, it took me so long. People's fucking brains. I've had this conversation with the girls dating or wherever. And I'll be like, you don't understand why like a guy transitioned to the girls in advantage. And they're like, we don't know that. And I She's like broke people's fucking brains. I've had this conversation with like girls that are dating or wherever and I'll be like, you don't understand why like a guy transitioned to the girls in advantage and they're like, we don't know that. And I'm just like, are you fucking mental?

Yeah. Like shit drove me nuts. I tried to figure out for a long time, why do so many people talk about this shit when it's such a small problem? And I think you're right. It's not, it's the issue isn't how many people are doing a thing or how much, how big the problem is. It's how many people are willing to defend it. Because there are a lot of things where a crazy thing happens. Like a woman's like, my four-year-old child is trans like when somebody

comes up he's like will you agree with trans people and i'm like yeah i guess it's like what about for mine it's like depending on the medical research what about this woman who said her four-year-old was trans i would say oh well that person's fucking crazy and you just move on from it and you don't have to make a big deal about it i mean there's a million like crazy religious yeah you know people who like fuck their kids up like yeah and nobody also the most important thing is nobody likes these people yeah nobody likes the edge case guy if you've ever been i'm sure you guys have been like planning a show you've been doing some shit and some dude is like okay well in the 30 second row if you don't have enough chairs here for blah blah and it's like this is like the 50 million thing on the list yeah yeah planet it's like bro

can we like get like the dates before we start obsessing over the color of the fucking curtains? There's always that guy who's like, whatever, kill yourself. Yeah, fuck. These people suck. Yeah. Anyway. That is a good point.

Yeah, it was a lot of arguing over education, whereas you're right. It would be like, if you're trying to organize a big thing and then someone was like, okay, and this is yellow, and you're like, okay, that's not yellow, it's black.

And then they're like, no, it's yellow. And you're just like, okay, there's no way I'm going to get past this. yellow, and you're like, okay, that's not yellow, it's black. And then they're like, no, it's yellow, and you're just like, okay, there's no way I'm gonna get past this. Fucking. And then we have the, and then these fan, it's like the trans bathroom rape epidemic, and I'm like, what the fuck are we even talking,

is this happening? Does this happen? I feel like these cases, I feel like there was like one case where this happened ever, and like all, because I know that there were more, I'd be hearing about them.

And then it's also, even just like the concept is weird, like trans. What about the jail stuff? What do you think about all the guys yeah that is because that is a real thing where guys are legitimately identifying yeah transitioning so that they can go into female jails and then they're having sex with the women and if they want to do that um they should only bottom with surgery people if you want to commit if you want to commit hard you can go in that's but it's going to be dickless i agree a hundred percent agree but then now this is how you get people riled up

and they're like okay well then who's paying for that and then they go you are yeah right you go who pays for the the piece together that is funny well then you could you can just bring trump okay meeting of the minds bring all the sides together we allow people to do it but only the pedophiles so there everybody wants to chop dicks off pedophiles yeah and then they can go do their trans fucking jail organization so everybody wins there you go it does feel funny for like a guy that's like just like a super republican that you're like your tax dollars had to go for paying for guys dick you go you go pay for guys together fucking that's why they want smaller government well anyways it feels like uh israel palestine sort of really did change the whole uh even even on like the left-wing side it was like so many of those people

were arguing for like censorship and all that stuff and it was just like okay well now we don't want censorship because our our viewpoint's the unpopular one yeah people uh i think every political principle doesn't really exist en masse. I think people generally just kind of want whatever works for their side at any given point in time. And if it's benefiting them, they support it. And if it's not, they toss it. I think freedom of speech is a good one. When you're in power, fuck freedom of speech.

But when you're the little guy, freedom of speech is like the most important thing in the world. Yes, unaggregate. But would you not say that, do you feel that way about yourself as well? No, I try to be, usually when I think of a thing, I try to always like put it on the other side to say like, well, how would I feel about this? So if I'm thinking of like a government policy, I'm like, how would I feel if the government could do this? And then Trump was in office. Would I still feel okay about it? I try to think of like the other guy has the hammer.

So some people do it. Yeah. Well, some people do, but it's definitely, I don't think it's the majority approach. No chance. It's the majority. Yeah. approach no chance it's the majority yeah most people i don't think they really think about the principles underneath the thing they think about the things then backdate why they think that probably yeah i mean most people just care about like one thing anyways yeah kind of am well it

becomes a like sometimes the actual principle becomes somewhat fashionable you know like and it's not partisan like that's why you know comedy might be like that i'm sure that to some degree there's lots of other places where it's like you know in comedy right or left like the principle is just like fashionable like it's very like ingrained with the identity of i'm a comedian was like i'm i care about being able to say stuff because that's the whole deal regardless of right or left so then it never really changes on that front but to your point yes you probably care more when it's coming at the things that you're trying to say. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

Yeah, like, right now, conservatives, like, in the 90s and 2000s, I remember they were fucking talking about violence in video games they wanted to get rid of. You had, like, all the gay metrosexual stuff and keeping all that shit out of, like, you know, TV shows and how horrible that was. And then, now that the left has, like, all the levers of power, you know of power you know but because back then the left be like well no we need freedom of speech we'd like lgbt people need to be able to go on these demonstrations and these marches and that's the most important thing in the world and now the left is like well you know uh the uh the paradox of tolerance we can't have certain voices speaking because it actually hurts society in the long run and now the right is like actually all voices are important we should all be allowed to say what we want and

it's like really important that all of us have the opportunity and freedom and it's like yeah it's just i think that was probably like one of the biggest things that i was i don't know if like wrong or maybe duped probably would be the better word that like i sort of believed like conservatives cared about free speech for a second and i just like it probably was like a six month span where i kind of believed that and then i was like oh they're just like even like common they're all just like using whatever issue they can at the time and they don't give a shit i think that was probably like one of the most things i feel like i was like duped on yeah i've had a couple moments in my life where i'm like fuck i was a useful idiot yeah yeah i remember my first big one was for um my first big one is when i started to swing

more to the left genuinely growing up not growing up uh when i became a starcraft professional gamer and stuff i'm used to being in areas where everybody's different than me they're koreans they don't even speak english or it's very boring and i travel a lot it's like yeah i like i'm used to being with a lot of people that don't look like me or sound like me and i generally have no problem with that i would make these arguments like i don't know why like minority or certain people like oh we need more representation it's like doesn't matter do you really care that much and i genuinely fell away because i don't care i can watch anything with anything um but as soon as some of the media started to change and i saw i think it was there

was like a fifa game or something that came and the main character was like either black or hispanic or something and i was like oh okay cool yeah i don't care everybody that agreed with me before was like hold on what the fuck like i don't identify with this or why the fuck is this like this like i don't like this is weird that like these characters are like women or black it's like well i thought we didn't care about that and then i realized fuck me you were just like behind me because i was supporting the status quo but when the status quo changes the principle changes too apparently and that yeah i hated that that drove me fucking crazy do you think that uh like uh race relations stuff got better or worse in the last

five six years um i feel like it's gotten a lot better but i feel like the perception of it has gotten a lot worse like i think that like race relations and gender and stuff or maybe relations kind of has perception built into the word i think in terms of like how we're doing with race and gender stuff in the united states i think we would do better than any other country in the world we have a lot of different people that live here fucking go out new york city there's the amount of people that live here that do well that have the opportunity to do well and everything is amazing but yeah every day it feels like we're basically like this is basically jim crow and apartheid and

this is basically like the most sexist racist country ever it's like the fuck right people talk like it's the worst ever yeah but they're saying that because they're trying to advance some sort of point that they have so they'll just say that without any evidence right they also say because humans the human condition is to acclimate to a surprising amount of stuff incredibly quickly everybody's felt this when you buy a new phone and it's the coolest fucking thing in the world for all the 48 hours and then it gets it's like first ding or first scratch and it's just like your phone it's like what are you moving to like a nicer place or whatever or are you even to a worse place and either way you're just like people like a week ago whatever yeah you can lose limbs

and shit and you you can lose senses your you know vision hearing and all the happiness reports these people they tend to level out like pretty quickly it's really surprising so like when you think of like sexism or racism or whatever you know you're when you when everything is pretty good and then you see something bad it's like this is fucking horrible and terrible and you don't always have the the backwards looking perspective of well where did we come from and where are we now right and a lot of people will say you know you generally like you know racialized groups will be like oh racism is the worst it's ever been but again they're trying to say that to advance some sort of thing basically yeah they're not just saying that because it's fact yeah yeah for sure yeah

but the fact i'm just saying the fact does it traces down to a human feeling it was like what we talked about earlier like if you've got a thousand watchers and then ten thousand and then you go down to two thousand you acclimate it to this ten thousand really fast and then going down here like really sucks because you're already reset yeah so people yeah it does feel probably actually what's happening a little bit and especially too because you got to keep in mind i try to say this a lot when i go over like young um like it like when 17 years old trying to like me to each other and shit and people like why the fuck is this kid acting so crazy you got to remember this guy's 17 like this breakup probably is the most dramatic thing that's ever happened ever yeah yeah it is when you break up

with your first high school that's like the most important thing because you're 17 what the fuck else has happened to you and as hard as like a 35 year old especially like if you would have asked me for instance um the libertarians will love me for this one. When I was 25, if you would have asked me of a 22-year-old and 18-year-old, I'd be like, ooh, I don't know. I can definitely see the issues. Now I'm 35, and I'm like, 25, 18, that's all fucked up.

The exact same. What the fuck? Yeah. I look back at being a certain level of sad sometimes about girls, and just I'm so embarrassed with myself. Yeah. I think as you get older and you look back,

and you're like, okay, yeah, this is all like fucking you're like you're like her moping around yeah exactly yeah but at the time it's the end of the fucking world right and what would you even say to yourself the time don't worry bro it gets better like no well you don't understand me and it's like i am you dude i used to like break up with girls and then mope around like well you don't understand the fuck and i have to let the one go even though because i have to be single and do my own thing like eminem and yeah yeah and you're the protagonist and you know everything and nobody understands your struggle and they'd be like oh you're don't worry i'll just another girl you'll find one i'm like you don't know that was we were i know she's like a snowflake man and that's the

worst thing in the world to hear what do you mean i'll find another you don't understand samantha the 17 year old nobody had the same jelly roller pen that she did okay fuck you all right no that's the most things i sometimes you look back and you go but i guess the good part is that you'll never be like that probably ever again with a chick but the i guess the worst part is your innocence is gone yeah maybe yeah the only scary thing now though is that you used to have more of an opportunity to kind of like grow and be crazy like i brought this up a lot that like people talk about like college kids being radicalized and shit and it's like you should be radical when you're a college kid you're 18 19 years old the fuck of course you should be crazy but now with the social media landscape you can

immortalize your crazy and you get way more attention than you ever should yeah no offense i don't give a fuck what greta thornburg thinks about fucking global warming which is 15 years old why the fuck does anybody care i don't care what this 20 year old thinks about minimum wage you haven't worked motherfucker your allowance was more than minimum wage why the fuck are you saying anything but like i understand why they want to say them they should be but now when you've got social media and it's like i might be 20 but i can end your fucking life if i tweet the right thing okay i might be 19 years old but i have like 50 000 followers on twitter because of my takes how does a person like that grow? Why would you?

Yeah, probably eventually they just make the growth comes from they make one misstep and then get destroyed. Yeah, but it's so much more harsh. That's what I'm saying. It'll be harsh. It'll be like all this growth condensed into this like short term. No, but Dave, what are you saying? Like how you become better is little steps in the one way.

Okay, not there like you know what i mean you're almost like a little mole like you're just like okay actually that's a bad idea you just get little shocks right yeah when you get big shocks when you get big shocks you stop doing anything or you become super radical yeah oh you all want to be a shocker yeah exactly that looks fun yeah i want that guy's job wreck people's lives yeah it is obviously they figured out how to hold their teachers hostage but again like I think Israel

Palestine stuff shook that up as well yeah definitely showed a lot of people a lot of different things about different political groups that they weren't aware of before yeah craziest thing I saw is that dude Jackson Hinkle or whatever and he's i i know he's he's insane but uh he's he's now saying like uh i'm an american patriot so i stand with

iran no oh iran iran he goes i'm an american patriot i stand with iran i'm like what like jesus that guy is one of the worst grifters it's insane yeah yeah i don't know that guy you don't know jackson hayes really no i think i know the name but i don't know he's like i don't think that many people do i think his shit is crazy he's crazy it's crazy botted what does bottom mean he's got like fake followers fake engagement oh how do you get fake engagement he's he's i think he's literally paid for by russia he had like a russian girlfriend like a state-given girl that's not proven but she was like a pageant winner like russian chick that oh really yes yeah um i i think he i think he works i think he takes a paycheck directly from it is crazy that russia today was actually just like

giving people money to make tv shows in america yeah yeah i mean they had a channel what's that guy's name yeah lee camp or whatever they had a channel here until the war and then they were just like we're removing the channel but there was no idea that it wasn't like russian propaganda also funny funny thing too i'm shitting on conservatives a lot i try to even it out but like a funny thing too is conservatives are generally the ones right now generally they're the ones that are primed to believe like every crazy conspiracy on fucking everything but it's so funny because when anything regarding russia comes up they're like no i don't think they would ever do that right russia yeah why russia would they really try to no i mean or maybe do a little

bit but like we do more we do just as much did you see the big story that came out about like the directed energy weapons the havana syndrome yeah stuff yeah yeah like every time it's like no i don't think that's real i'm like this is like this is this is your prime material you're not you don't think it is real no that's russiaate that's true yeah yeah and yeah they well it's because it was on 60 minutes and they go well anything on 60 minutes is a lie right so they just go well if it's on 60 minutes must be a lie yeah and because it involves russia and russia now is like the fake thing that you attack trump with no matter what russia does now it's like i don't think i mean they did kind of shoot themselves in the foot with like you know the whole russia occlusion stuff a little bit yeah like do you what is your thoughts on that because i mean there were there was more

good stuff that came out of that investigation than the 50 million things we got on benghazi or hillary clinton's fucking emails or any that shit but nobody recognizes that um they the fbi was probably too politically motivated in what they were doing and i think the durham report said as much um but i mean like we there was a lot of crazy that all those molar indictments about those russian entities that were operating the united states um that were like controlling twitter at some of the large farms and not just bot farms like there was an account called 10 underscore gop everybody just thought this is like the official tennessee gop party it had like over 200 000 followers like it's a russian controlled account like proven russian controlled account or all these like black lives matter

accounts yeah i saw the black lives and they they were organizing stuff like they were organizing marches and marches and stuff yeah that's wild yeah but nobody gave isn't that something you would expect from an america like uh an adversary like i would expect that you know like america's probably has some sort of you know department that's doing that in all sorts of other countries like isn't that just like some sort of you might expect it cold warfare like tech warfare almost the issue is you might expect it but then we're not allowed to like do anything about it so for instance i think you would expect that but that's part of the reason why the fbi and the social media companies will have like this cooperative relationship where they're like oh give us a heads up you think

something's weird but then when they're doing that now the conservative's like oh well actually that just proves a collusion that they're trying to you you know, help their political friends out and everything. It's like, okay, well, maybe they also just want to know there's, like, crazy Russian accounts that the FBI might know about that Twitter doesn't. And maybe they want to heads up on it. But I don't know. Yeah. It's all like, there's, like, so much political opinion here that is divorced from the facts that nobody can really have a reasonable conversation. And most people are not willing to, like, you know, you see a tweet, again, you see a tweet and you just go, this is what I believe in.

So I'll never look into this, who runs it. And people are so easily duped. Yeah. Yeah, me included. I mean, look at that, the genesis of that fucking kitty litter story. God damn. What's that one? Oh, the-

Where Joe Rogan, he must have saw a Facebook meme or something. And he's like, they're putting kitty litter boxes in schools for kids to be trans cats. Yeah, I remember seeing that. I remember that was going around. It was a guy who said it. Yeah, someone said it. And then, yeah, you try to look into it and you're like- The're putting kitty litter boxes in schools for kids to be trans cats. I remember that was going around. It was a guy who said it. Yeah, someone said it, and then, yeah, you try to look into it, and you're like, there's... The guy was making a joke.

No, basically, it was a right-wing, like, congressperson, or I don't know what, republic, like, one of those. Sure. Something. Politician. Political guy. Political guy. He was basically representing the school,

and he was like, all these people were being furries, and he essentially stood up, and he was doing an interview, and he was like, you know, we got these litter boxes everywhere. We're going to have to call pest control on these people. He was being like hyperbolic. Okay, sure. And then that's what- And then Joe Rogan repeated his show, and then the whole country for like a couple weeks

is talking about like, there must be furries in the classroom that are like state sponsored. Well, that's the thing. Sometimes you just see something, and then you say nothing. Apparently the furry thing was an issue the guy said though but they weren't shitting everywhere yeah they weren't using litter box it'd be the equivalent of like too many goths like yeah the kids are it was like normal in some ways where you're just like these goths keep crying and blocking out the hall but it's more like so many people start amplifying that story and then you just you know you go on twitter and you see it a hundred times ago go i guess this happened right other you know because most people don't have the time to

every single thing they see to go investigate whether like where's the original source of this they just go all right like a hundred people are saying this it must be true yeah have you are you do you play poker yeah yeah a little bit are you familiar with the table image yeah of course it's like whether you're like a loose or a tight player yeah i think the problem with little stories is um for for all my poker knowledge is like 15 years old because after they've been poker stars fuck poker stars it was hot for a minute i sort of got it like you have a table money maker and all that stuff you have a table image when you bet or do things people are giving you credit for or they're analyzing you through the image that you've created at the table right that's how you're that's why some guys will pretend that they're drunk sure

yeah yeah um yeah or even like you said just tighter loose players the problem with a whole bunch of little facts and people even on my own stream get mad like why are you being so pedantic on this thing and i'm like because if you accept like these 50 million small minor incorrections it makes the these minor incorrect things it makes the really big bullshit story a lot easier to believe and you have to be right on the small stuff because if i like if i come in every day like let's say that like we all worked here and you know i come in i'm like god ryan tells like so many fucking racist jokes in the elevator okay hypothetical right every and i say this yeah i know but we'll say for the elevator is fucking uh every day and i kind of say this and then like

you kind of repeat it to people and blah blah blah let's say that we do this for like a few months right and let's say even ryan hears about he's like whatever i don't give a fuck let's say that you get a black employee and let's say this guy's got an ax to grind for whatever reason and he's like fuck you like you fired me on some racist shit and you actually did some crazy shit well now you don't want to be looking at all of your co-workers and be like okay hold on. Now, I know it seems like it. And they're like, okay, well, you have said a lot of race shipper lines. I was like, no, I didn't. That wasn't actually real.

That didn't happen. You're fucked at that point. It's over. Yeah. So the small, little, tiny lies or stories that people tell may not be a problem in and of themselves. But the perception that it changes and it makes you more amenable or makes you more receptive in the future to a big bad story and that's the problem so even the little lies i think it's very important to keep those in check yeah yeah i was kind of i was talking to someone last night actually in uh about q anon and like

how people could even believe in something like q anon and then it really did seem like there's so many things that just literally all just start in 2015 when trump just started calling them like media liars and he was right about so much of it and he really opened the eyes and then it allowed these like insane things to latch on because people are like yeah we are getting lied about everything so why isn't q and unreal yeah also but also people aren't evaluating who's giving the criticism because people say something like oh they're all liars like what about you because you you bring up that trump said that he might have pointed that out,

but what was Trump's first big foray into politics? You remember the first big issue in 2015? It was that Obama was fucking Kenyan. Right. Nobody remembers that. He was the one that pushed that stupid birth certificate with Sheriff Arpaio or whatever from Arizona or whatever. That was him.

Oh, I didn't know that. I didn't know he started the Kenyan thing. I don't know if he started it, but he was the one that grabbed it and blew it up into a huge thing we need to see his birth certificate i was like what the fuck yeah i know it sort of is gonna sound like a bad uh cope but to me to some degree though everyone sort of looks at him as like yeah but he's not coming out here in a suit being like i'm the arbiter of truth the way the news is like they're so i know palul line if he's an honest liar basically yeah i don't not yeah exactly like i just wouldn't see it that way because you're like when you're like oh trump's lying too and you're kind of like yeah

duh and then the other one and then but the other people when they're lying it's like feels like they're lying and then if you say they're not lying everyone calls you a conspiracy like that shit's i guess makes you makes people pissed off and then like being pissed off and then also feeling you're being lied to and then feel like no one would listen to you i think it's it's like a snowball of things that just uh then you then you instead of uh looking at the next option with equally as uh critical eyes you're just like all in on the next thing it's kind of like the guy leaving the ex-girlfriend and then you know the first girl that the you know the the like was the worst girl ever and then the next girl's just like the first girl i see he's just all in you know again yeah you definitely

create conditions you leave an abusive boyfriend to another abusive boyfriend yeah you yeah you can't you have to treat people like adults you can't treat them like parents where you're just like listen you don't understand this right now but you'll get into the future because then yeah it's not like they turn 18 and now we can level with you and everything. People are too condescending sometimes, and they don't give enough space for antagonistic thought to deal with it and then see people see it dealt with.

Yeah, kind of, exactly. What do you think about Candace Owens versus Daily Wire feud? I don't even know what's going on with that. Really? I'm always primed to, well, I don't know. I's going on with that i'm i'm really i'm always primed to i don't know debated candace owens sort of or whatever that's what i thought you were well i don't think i mean i followed it but i don't think anybody knows what happened right that hasn't been made public yet because candace keeps hinting that she was fired for some

insidious reason i'm guessing related to israel or jews yeah and ben shapiro seems like it's kind of true well what it turns out what you mean when you say that like because it could like for instance it could be the case that ben shapiro and jeremy came to decision that they were going to let candace go because she's like parroting like anti-semitic conspiracy theories which i think is reasonable or it could be the case that they got marching orders from the massad to get rid of candace owens because she's asking too many questions which would probably be that'd be horrible they know i think it would probably be more like you know you could even just remove all of it you're just like hey we have a company with like six people and we all kind of think the same shit sure and then one person's thinking you know all the exact opposite shit on what my cardinal issue

is like let's get rid of her but the problem is you're like you built your thing being like i'm this free speech guy so it's like just straight up a uh pickle that you're in a little bit they i mean i blame conservatives that when you talk about freedom of speech you're talking about the government that's what freedom of speech means but conservatives for a long time have played a dangerous game of what about section 230 like twitter shouldn't be allowed to ban anybody and blah blah blah and now they've gotten themselves in this world where rightfully so they should be allowed to fire or hire who they want that's not a violation of freedom of speech but your audience isn't primed to think that any time you fire somebody

or any time you do anything relating to speech you're like violating a freedom of speech which isn't true but you've primed them to think that so that is true and they just wanted to basically talk shit about all the trans stuff forever and that's why they're essentially citing the freedom of speech stuff and there was sort of yeah because it well you tell me because you probably know about this stuff pretty well like it is true that when you say freedom of speech, you mean the government. But, like, there was sort of, like, a culture of, you know, you can't say anything that wasn't just because of the government. So, I feel like when people are, like, freedom of speech, and they're, let's say, they were talking about comedy or jokes you should be able to make or, you know, what you should be able to say in a movie without getting in trouble. Like, what is that then? I mean you i think there is a principle there is a concept of

people should be allowed to say what they want in certain arenas and you should have the freedom to do so but just you need to separate that out from the legal part i just think that's important that there are two different concepts there's a legal part there's similar concepts but the enforcement mechanisms on both of these are different one is like what should the law be and the other is like what should we push the culture to be and i agree generally the culture of freedom of speech but it's not the law you can't force that legislatively but there's but they've but they have uh they do have so that's why i'm saying like when people it's a pickle a little bit like you know it's same with elon musk having uh don lemon on and then kicking him off

like even if you're right you're allowed to do that it just looks like you're going against your principles it looks bad but i mean the reality you are though right well i don't think so it's assuming i don't know what they've all done but the problem is he didn't say he goes his interviews just do terrible numbers why would we pay him 10 million dollars well that's not he kicked him off before that interview but i'm saying that like but for that like elon has a right to allow freedom of speech on social media platforms and he should champion that i would hope but that doesn't mean he has to pay people to work for him to have ideologically different views and then to disseminate that ideologically different point of view right he doesn't hire him as i know it is weird like the new york times or whatever and even npr we're

talking about like this guy didn't even say anything that bad and they're like you're suspended like if i like it would be nice for me to start a media company in the future i really want to but when i do that i'm not hiring like the most diverse point of views it's going to be stuff that i generally agree with right i feel very strongly about freedom of speech i don't think that youtube or twitter or the government should like be restricting heavily freedom of speech without a really compelling reason like child sex material or whatever stuff like that um but when i go to hire people i'm not going to pay a guy who's like an anarchist to talk about how evil like all government is we should all go crops the question is if you hire a guy that has similar views to you and then he starts leaning that way at what

point do you fire him that's really the question it would depend on whatever the mission statement is in my company when i feel like it's going in violation of that i'd be like you're this is not what we're here for if you just if you have a life-changing moment and you want to spend the rest of your days evangelizing everybody that's not what I want on my platform. I'm like, go do that somewhere else. Is that you have to be pro-Israel in the Daily Wire mission statement? It might not be explicitly, but there's probably going to be some parts of foreign policy that that will encompass. That'd be my guess. If you're pro-super-American interventionalism all over the world, and you're like, America needs to go to war with every single country.

I imagine that's probably not part of the daily wires mission statement yeah or if you're gonna be a total isolationist you're like america should pull back embassies and bases from every country in the world if i got that's probably not part of the mission statement so yeah but also i think i think there are people that aren't 100 on board that israel train on the daily wire i think candace owens issue isn't the israel stuff it's the weird jew holocaust anti-semitic i think she's just too deep into the jew shit yeah like when she was tweeting out a few weeks ago like who started porn and famous last words for a lot of people which one i mean there's two things that have gotten a lot of people you start getting really deep into jq you start getting really deep into

race iq those are the two how many content people of like that was you know remember you go what happened to that guy you go you could pinpoint the day that he started getting all in on that but i also i wish people to like i think if you genuinely want to explore those topics i think it's fine to do so and i think you might even be able to get away with it the problem is just that they they they don't ever actually explore right like i'll run into people in debates and the guy's like i just think there's i think they're i'm skeptical of the six million number and it's like okay well what do you mean by that's like i just i don't know he says it's 10 million i don't know if i trust like all the stuff or it's okay

well like what have you read on this okay well nothing okay well like what have you like like what have you researched on this like why do you think for instance you don't believe the six million how do they come up with that number well i'm not sure but doesn't it seem like a lot it's like well maybe or maybe it's not that much how many jews lived there before i don't know it's like okay so you're skeptical on a thing and you've got a lot of questions and you've been repeating these questions for like six months like imagine i walk around new york city and i'm like ryan long might be gay i think he might be gay i've been saying that i think yeah i think he actually he might be gay he might be gay isn't he like do you really think he's straight do you

really think i mean like it's not exactly journalistic integrity yeah jesus like i say hey siri show me a twink and it brings up like this guy's youtube page right is he actually but and but then you're like i go the other way around though imagine you said that and you go oh ryan long might be gay and then all of a sudden your youtube channel gets taken down and your twitter channel takes get down you might start being like yeah wait what the fuck yeah true you can see why that would make people fucking like break their brain for now you only talk about that and you're like yelling in a well that i'm telling you this guy's gay and i understand what you're saying but like i feel like we make way too many excuses for adults and at least for political content creators right

like i can understand why a person might feel a particular way but you should know better like there are going to be some things that are just such fucking hot topic things you don't deal with them carefully like yeah you're going to get banned because a lot of people feel ass mad about this thing it doesn't necessarily mean the thing is true yeah right it just means it's like there's things where you have to deal with them like crazy carefully and or it's like that there'll be like the comedian quote i remember who said this initially but it's like or it's not even i think it's just like an edgy quote it's like if you want to find out who rules you in society find out who you can't make fun of well they say yeah and it'll sound like a wheelchair and it's like so it's not even i think it's just like an edgy quote it's like if you want to find out who rules you in society find out who you can't make fun of well they say yeah and it'll

sound like a wheelchair and it's like so they that's that's this is my road because i can't close my cripple like fuck me i guess right like come on that that they attribute to uh that's like a big anti-semitic thing that they attribute to oscar wilde oh do they but it's not it's not oscar wilde never said it i've seen that attributed to voltaire oh sorry not oscar voltaire yeah yeah but it's uh yeah yeah it's uh but it's not and like i i think they i can't remember who it is but it's just like some guy who said it's like some dude i don't know it was nobody of most things are importance and uh yeah i guess danny's mom yeah i i get i yeah i get get that a lot, that specific quote. What do you think the...

Is there a case for that America shouldn't be involved in... Do you think that... Right now, as we're talking about this, everyone online is kind of saying, this is World War III, it's going down, kind of thing. Do you think that there's a reasonable case to say that America america shouldn't be getting involved in this like why are we spending money if israel wants to do that and you want to support why why are we funding this i think the issue is that when people analyze the future they always think of it in terms of like

either this could happen or this could happen and they'll look at something like america could do a thing or we could not do a thing and they'll look at all the bads and maybe even some of the pros, and then they'll look at us not doing the thing, and they'll be like, oh, okay, we should just not do the thing. And I think what happens is people get confused because they don't realize that the second option that you're evaluating, that's not actually what's going to happen. It's not going to be should America do the thing or not going to do the thing. The question is should America do the thing or should Russia do the thing? Should America do the thing or should China do the thing because if america steps back there are going to be other people that are looking to exert their influence and then your question becomes who who do you want to guarantee safe passage through the mediterranean uh you know do you

want it to be the united states or do you want it to be russia and china like who do you want to have that influence couldn't you do this though couldn't you say we're not getting involved in neither of you guys but how well you Well, wait, we do do that. But what you just said, you're not going to get involved either. Then we start funding separatist groups. We start funding the Mujahideen. We start funding other people. Well, we're going to coup your shit.

We're going to fund all these separatist fighters. FSA, maybe in Syria. Like, that's what we're going to say. Well, we're not going to get involved. You're not going to get involved either because we're going to fund these people. And then you get the proxy wars. Well, you don't have to fund anyone. You just could be like, hey, China, Russia.

Yeah, but I mean, by saying, hey, don't do that, that is an action. Okay, I'm oversimplifying it. But like yeah but i mean by saying hey don't do that that is an action okay i'm oversimplifying it but you go because then you go don't do that and they go okay or what i guess i guess the argument the argument is that they make it worse a lot of times if you look at it i guess you're saying compared to what exactly yeah because the soviet union made a lot of things worse too you know people like should we be involved in any of this like how do you feel about nato and why does it still exist today and it's like well after the invasion of ukraine i bet like estonia latvia and lithuania are probably really happy that they're in the in the nato you probably feel really good about that right now because they know they're not getting invaded so yeah people will look at the messy world or the messy things we have today and then

they'll have they'll make you contend with some like idealized alternative it's like well fuck you i don't have that idealized alternative it's like arguing with every every socialist. Like, oh, well, socialism would be way better. Okay, well, where the fuck has it worked? Did it work in the Soviet Union? Well, that wasn't real social. Okay, what about fucking Vietnam or China? Well, that's not real. Okay, well, fuck you then. I'm not going to compare my messy, real-world implementation of capitalism that has to exist in the real world and be messy with your idealized, you know,

on-paper bullshit. And I think that interventionalism is the same kind of thing, right? Yeah. It's the 30-year-old telling you the perfect life to live again basically yeah and what would america do otherwise they're just they just gotta bomb something what did you think about um uh in doing debates with uh jordan peterson and ben shapiro who did you think that they were like when you're doing that did you walk away being like oh that wasn't so good or did you walk away being like that guy's impressive um i think ben is smart and i think it's interesting watching him twist himself

into a pretzel defending trump i think it's very funny uh because i do consider him to be a pretty smart guy one of the smarter people in media um jordan peterson has insight and was very cool when it came to psychology things but i feel like he's been completely swept away in the anti-establishment conspiratorial narrative on everything like he hit every single major belief i think i brought anything that is um my theory is i think people have mind break moments to where something really bad happens to them by one side and they're forever thrown into the other it happened with brett weinstein for the evergreen stuff it happened to jordan peterson with the c16 stuff like you have your one moment and you're like fuck fuck you. I'm never going back over there.

And then you're just like completely lost. I've actually had that with people that I know that were like, obviously I think our worlds are a little reversed because you live in Miami and we live in like New York comedy scene. But like, I know some people that were like crazy, like liberal types.

And you just be like, then when you look into it more, you're just like their whole life, like their whole last five years was 4chan, like trying to fucking take them down. Like, you know what I, you're just like, their whole life, like, their whole last five years was 4chan, like, trying to fucking take them down. Like, you know what I mean?

Yeah, I get it. Yeah, so you kind of, yeah, you do a lot of times become, like,

who you, because you start an enemy and then you're just always fighting them. So, I mean, that might happen, yeah.

Yeah. With, the last thing I was going to say about just debating in general, because I had sort of a theory and you tell me what you think of it, but do you, well,

the first question is, do you think that like, are you trying to change people's minds? Like, is that the goal? Yeah. Okay. So I feel like I have a theory that whether it be like debating or writing or anything,

it's, uh, you actually change more minds when it is like the the consequence not the goal in some ways that for example like if you're like if you're writing something and my goal is to change people's minds but if your goal is to like do the best at it you'll actually change more minds like people's minds are usually changed more by someone uh that they kind of look up to or someone who performs well or like you're like oh that guy's opinions on everything were pretty good

but as your ethos pathos logos triangle there's like different forms of rhetorical strategy to make something okay what does that mean um well it's like you can appeal to people through like your character through the type of person you are you could appeal to people emotionally make them care emotionally about a particular thing you could appeal to people through like facts and logic because it like it's just different audiences and at different points in your life people are always going to feel and what are the three or what um i think it's ethos pathos and logos um are like your three it's like the rhetorical which one's pathos fuck don't ask me logos is the logic logos is logic um i think ethos i think is emotion oh character i think

and then i think pathos is the, just like appeals to emotion, I think, basically. So I think ethos might be like, oh, this guy has been building charities in Uganda for his whole life. And now he's here to talk and I respect this guy's character. And then like pathos might be like,

hey, you want to make this law legal. Well, how would you feel like if your own child was impacted by this? And it's like, oh shit. Okay, you're right. And then logos might be like, listen, you want to do rent control but you know 55 of people have been kicked out of their houses as a result of this right there's like different ways

to hit a problem really does so kind of cover all of them yeah well ideally yeah yeah but even even in your own life you'll notice this like if you're arguing with like like a girlfriend or whatever or boyfriend if you're arguing over things it's not always going to be like the logos fact and logic approach to do everything sometimes you might have to demonstrate through character that like you know uh i think that going to the gym is good and actually i feel healthier and it's like been really great for me and you should try it too um and you know or sometimes it might be emotional arguments like i think your mom or dad would really like it if you do this too or sometimes it might be the logic yeah women don't tend to respond well to facts don't care about

your feelings yeah but neither do men so nobody responds well to that one yeah facts don't tend to respond well to facts don't care about your feelings. Yeah, but neither do men. So, careful. Nobody responds well to that one. Facts don't care about your feelings almost felt like, I mean, so many philosophical and political movements are a reaction to, like, it going too far the other way before a little bit. But, like, the facts don't care about your feelings. It feels like it's funny, especially now because you're just, like, feelings is the only thing that matters, especially when it's, like, war when it's like war it's like hearts and minds like all that sort of stuff it's like unfortunately politics does care about feelings it's funny because you get you really get like the the shot reverse of that exact ideology because we went from we went from facts don't care about your feelings to donald trump who's a person you're supposed to take seriously but not literally so it's like have you ever heard that saying before yeah yeah that's good so you're

so you're yeah you're getting like oh i want the emotional impact what he's saying i'm not thinking literally like having your cake and eating it too a bit yeah or it's just like yeah you see yeah all of it's bullshit at the end of it yeah i guess a little bit but yeah you're right so i guess i'm more making like a practical uh a statement that you're sort of uh actually looking at uh technically but i was sort of saying like it just feels like if your goal even if you're arguing with someone like if your goal is to change their mind you're probably less likely to change their mind than if you actually are just like your goal is to you know explain this better or to i don't know i mean sometimes people will watch a debate with so i mean i'm not saying it's good

i'm saying that you're saying that it's a byproduct of what you're doing people will believe rather than it's the stated goal yeah that's exactly what i'm saying effect almost i think it's a second order effect is exactly what i'm saying i feel like a really good example of this is i feel like i can tell when a movie is trying to tell me that women are really strong yes i don't think that was the goal for alien or aliens or alien it just did it and i don't think it was a goal for kill bill but that was definitely a byproduct like yeah there was never a point where i was watching either of those movies like oh i get it she's a woman jesus christ because that like wasn't the focal point of it but the result afterwards was like oh yeah i guess women could be samurais and do shit and

that's like cool as fuck and you just walk away thinking that whereas like in a star wars movie like one of the newer ones you're like okay she can never fail i get it she's like always amazing because we can't show a woman failing and blah blah like it feels more like you're hitting it all pandering yeah it feels pandering and i feel like less likely to be receptive to it than just like well show me something cool respect the medium that's the exact principle yeah and those things end up just being worse so would that be the same principle with the logic ethos it can be yeah it can be yeah would it just be that you're just would that be just described as you're just doing it poorly yeah i because the only reason i don't like to generalize it because it really depends on the topic and it depends on who you're talking to

like if i'm stepping into like a very blood sportsy arena like my goal is to eviscerate the person next to me i am going to scream at you and make you feel like a fucking retard because that's what you know that's what we're here to do but if i'm on like a chiller platform like we're going to have like a calm back and forth and i'm going to try to be like more constructive and say like oh i think that these things are better and like um you know this is the type of america we should be proud of and you know what's interesting with uh the jordan peterson thing with you it was exactly interesting what you're saying. Like, I feel like a lot of times hanging out with someone,

you're kind of like, oh, what shit that we both might be into? You're kind of almost, you know, whereas like you, Jordan Peterson, it was weird. You were trying to find something that you didn't agree on. Like, you were kind of needling around until you found like a thing you could argue about. It's like a funny, like, it's just like a funny uh like way to do interviews yeah yeah yeah yeah i have a thing with my audience it's hard for me sometimes to talk

people i agree with a lot because it's just i just am more geared towards arguing yeah like you and norm norm finkelstein that was uh that was horrible that was funny just he's a bit he's a character that guy is well danny said that's the best thing probably true we're just like get people who agree with him left agreeing with him and people who agree with you left agreeing with you yeah pretty much but i mean i'm sure there's some people who kind of maybe don't know and but this is such a there's people in the middle and there's people you don't see but it's you have to know they're there and i now i can feel this because i've been doing this for 15 years 10

years i guess for political stuff and now i can see them more as i continue to grow and they send me emails i'm like, they're there. There's really hard to see because both sides that agree or disagree are screaming the loudest. Right, yeah, for sure. Yeah, yeah. And maybe, you know,

those are not the type of people who leave comments on stuff. So you really just don't know. But, you know, you got to figure like on a video like that, I don't know. I'm sure it did millions of views, but it wasn't millions of comments. So there are people who are just watching

and not, I guess, engaging. Yeah. and your goals are always actually planning the seats if you're talking to somebody you completely disagree you're just planning the seats that's it yeah exactly shit dude well thanks for coming and are you gonna start a media company is that what's next that's the goal i finally have shows running in my miami studio now so hopefully so you have shows running with you oh you're doing them yeah me i'm doing two shows right now yeah so that's the move right um yeah it seems to be or you're gonna hate it and just be like why did i my life was good without running a company

like this i don't have more i it'd be more fun to set the media agenda like if the daily wearer wants to cover something everybody will talk about it and i i had that power like on twitch and kind of in my spare on youtube but it'd be cool to have a broader ability to set the media diet we're like we're all talking about this thing yeah we're gonna talk today about this thing because i think this is more important than whether or not this person's too much of an asshole to go to a trans bathroom or some shit, I guess, yeah. Interesting.

And you're going to hire like, co-hosts, like five? Are you going to do the same thing as... Yeah, I've got to look for other talent and see, but we'll see. It's down the road. We'll get there. Are you going to put Young Turks out of business? I don't know. Alright, Destiny streams five hours a day. You're going to put Young Turks out of business? I don't know. All right.

Destiny streams five hours a day. You can find it on one of your many channels, but you stream on your main channels. Yep, kick.com slash destiny, youtube.com slash destiny, instagram.com slash destiny. Always appreciate you coming by, dude. Thanks a lot for having me. Appreciate it. All right, peace.