The Boyscast with Ryan Long - HOW TO SAVE OUR BOYS w/ Tim Kennedy

Episode Date: June 21, 2022

Interrogations, mandates, cultural shifts and how to save our boys! Tim Kennedy is an entrepreneur, UFC fighter, author and US Special Forces Sergeant. SUPPORT THE BOYSCAST: https://www.patreon.com/theboyscast http://ryanlongcomedy.com MERCH - ryanlongstore.com Ryan @ryanlongcomedy Danny @dannyjokes Tim @timkennedymma SUPPORT THE SPONSORS AT: Fitbod.me/boyscast - 25% Off Your Subscription Or Free Trial Butcherbox.com/boyscast - Promocode BOYSCAST - Free Bacon For Life + $10 Off First Order LEAVE US A FIVE STAR REVIEW! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Cast is the show. The dogs, the bunks, the brubs, amigos. We are here. Before we get into this interview, we have, uh, Danny was just showing me something. And I guess this came out of, uh, like, you know, a few days ago at this point, but. Was this a few days ago? Oh yeah, I guess. Yeah.

Oh yeah. At this point. Yeah. Right. Uh, let me just play this fucking banger. In the closing arguments, the deaf lawyer said, called your testimony the performance of a lifetime and said you were acting. What do you say to that?

Says the lawyer for the man who convinced the world he had scissors for fingers. I'm acting. Mic drop. That was literally in her mind. She goes, ah. I'm not an actor. You're an actor.

I rest my case, Your Honor. That sounds like something Lionel Hutz would say when he's defending someone. I did think Johnny, when he was in courtroom, that was the first thing I was saying. I'm like, what are they going to do with the scissors situation mic drop so does it does she think that people believe that johnny depp has scissors for fingers uh-huh is that the implication there that people don't know he's johnny depp that people legitimately think but more importantly it's like yeah what does that have to do with you? You are also an actor. And that's what someone said.

They go, some people are saying your performance. And then she didn't even say, what about Johnny Depp's performance? She goes, yeah, well, Johnny Depp's an actor. And the lawyer of an actor. Yeah, the lawyer of a man who convinced the world he had scissors for hands. So she's still banging out there, right?

It's like, you think that she would have learned her lesson that the less i publicly speak the more beloved i am you know what it is though but you know how i wonder because we cover enough stuff like this where girls are like you know what i gotta lean into the crazy we gotta normalize it because like i might only have a career if i'm leaning into the fact that yeah i have a mental illness i'm leaning into the fact that, yeah, I have a mental illness. I'm like, it's the insanity defense. You know, you go kill a bunch of people and then you're like, oh, I'm insane. Yeah. I'm wearing a shoe on my head.

Look at me. I'm a shoe on my head, man. How could I be wrong? Exactly. I can't be guilty. I got a shoe on my head. I feel like that's what she says. She's like, well, you know.

And then she could say so much crazy stuff and then maybe she snaps out of it yeah sorry can i have my career back well anyways this i think this episode was kind of one of the reasons that uh like we want we thought it would be a good idea at least to be able to sometimes have it on the new channel and sometimes do these random episodes because you know we'll get a lot of people that reach out to us and you know can be on the thing and i'm always a little like hesitant because i'm like you know we do these episodes every friday i want it to be really funny and i think about it a lot and i'm just like i i don't want to like put the trust in whether it's funny into like a guest and all that stuff i'm just like i i like what we do and i think other people like tune in for that so but these extra episodes are something like this so tim gendy he's like a ufc guy he's been on rogue in a bunch he's the military guy

fighter yeah he's kind of a uh inspirational guy he's got a new book that just came out that's gonna be on the best-selling list um but he hit us up and i think i don't think either of us knew that much about him like we kind of you know i went through all his stuff obviously to you know before talking to him or whatever but uh it was it was interesting because me and it was like we've always done stuff with more just like kind of comedy adjacent people where it's like he's a serious guy and you could tell he was kind of like he has a suit on and he uh he's been doing like real stuff all day and then he showed up to the boys cast studio and he's kind of like who are these two idiots yeah you asked us it was good it was good no it was good but the truth is like i think he caught us off guard at a few points well you can tell i think there was like a couple jokes

in you know i was like oh this guy's seeing some shit it kind of did feel like that so i mean this was interesting i think we did do a bit more of like we you know we've tried to get to the bottom of some of his things as opposed to like you know we're not gonna imagine that would be fun if we just bring in uh like uh you know this like politics like ufc military guy and we're like so anyways we're gonna go through this your dangle article yeah so there's these guys who like to wear diapers to the movies what do you think about that he goes yeah i had to wear a diaper once for seven days when I was in an Afghan POW camp. Okay. Yeah.

But I think, I don't know. I left being like, I think we, I think it was good, but you guys can tell us. Oh, that's right. Here's a real cool. Or tell us we're bad at interviewing or whatever. He's a badass. You know, sometimes there's a lot of like fake badasses. Yeah.

And that's like, you're like, oh, this guy's like a real badass. Cause there's a lot of fake badasses. Yeah. And that's like you're like, oh, this guy's like a real badass. Because there's a lot of fake badasses. Yeah. And I don't think we're not these fucking tough guys. No, fuck no. I've never put myself in a, oh, I'm a real badass, dude. That's what you're saying. No, no, no.

And we know how to spot the difference. No, no, no. He's the type of guy where if you try to pick a fight with him, he's like, I can't fight you. Oh, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, I'll kill you. I can't. I can't fight you.

Well, before he came in, he said he was like kind of, yeah, he was like, oh, I only had a 10-minute window where I was going to run the stairs today. Yeah, we sold his exercise time for him, too. I know, I know. I'm not saying that. Well, he was blaming his hand. Yeah, we stole his exercise time from him, too. I know, I know. I'm not saying that. Well, he was blaming his hand. Okay, maybe we're talking too much before the interview, but these are all things

that we're learning when we're doing these interviews. But tell us what you think about these interesting interviews, and it's probably different to hear someone like this talk to two people like us as opposed to...

And then for next week's interesting Tuesday interview, we have Klaus Schwab coming in, so that'll be fun. You say I don't get guests. I got Klaus Schwab coming in. So that'll be fun. You say I don't get guests. I got Klaus Schwab. Yeah. He still hasn't pulled the fucking Skreli.

His one connection, he hasn't been able to do it. Bugged him to get Skreli. Okay. This, without further ado, this is Tim Kennedy. You're with Tim Kennedy. Yeah! Do you actually think you're deaf? Is that true?

Oh, I know I'm deaf Is that from being in the army? Yeah I was like getting blown up And I've been shooting My whole entire life Yeah So I have a theory

Because I played drums My whole life And I'm pretty deaf But I've gone to the test And they said I'm not deaf Oh I go to the test And they say I'm deaf Okay

Yeah Well Mine's deaf But I am deaf You have some deaf This is loud Wait hang on Okay I'll take it down here You didn't expect it again i got the voice i'm deaf

that's what happened but because well they test you look like a drummer yeah i do right you got the drummer vibe you're number three but when they test it uh what they the only thing they test with hearing is the lowest when it drops out right but like what other eye test would they wouldn't say if you were looking at an eye test right and they're showing the letters they say when can you stop reading it they don't say when can you not see it at all so to me the it doesn't test like your mid-range hearing it or not your mid-range but it doesn't test your like general competency of hearing it only tests when it drops out completely like when you have zero there there are a variety of of tests um some of them will test frequencies some of them will test like volumes and the military has yeah they all do volume frequency that's the ones i've done my

favorite story is with the the kleenex or whatever the tissues this is fucking i'm i'll let him tell this amazing story all right anything that you leave with like Kleenex and tissues, I'm like, what are, it feels like you're leading me into an ambush here. All right. Well, I, I, instead of using hearing, uh, instead of using earplugs, I was putting tissues in my ear at night. That doesn't work. It didn't.

Well, it works like a little bit if you put enough. So I put the I packed it in there And then it got stuck But I didn't know that So my hearing was just really really bad When I was taking a shower You know when you tap your head

And you could feel it and not hear it And that was going on forever And I went to the ear doctor And he was like yeah you have like a pound of tissue in your ear that like took tweezers and like started pulling out

no they have a water gun and it's wild it's like it's like high pressure high pressure super soaker and it gets out all the stuff and the doctor crazy

yeah well he basically said he goes if you had waited another two months you'd be deaf like that's it sounds like an interrogation tool tool like I would like to use that when i was interrogating a terrorist be like okay listen to me if you don't give me the real answer right now i'm gonna use the ear water gun on you i'll tell you anything have you just waterboard me yeah no i've never had an ear

water gun but have you done ejaculating my ear oh yeah oh wild that's crazy right yeah so i've been in special forces for 17 years, and we've been at war for 20 years. So it'd be really weird if I hadn't. I mean, why not? Is there a translator involved when that happens? Like, what happens when the person doesn't speak the language? Yeah, the translator's...

Bad news for the water boy. Like, do you need a translator who's equally badass? So the translator... We have really special translators. And they... A lot of our interrogators are language specific and uh like every special forces guy has to have at least a second language okay um it's a requirement for being in special forces so but like i didn't speak pashto or arabic you know so we i would have a translator and um but you would rehearse and you would practice

and you'd work on delivery. It's also culturally, there's body language that's really, really important interrogations. So not only do you have to have the right language, but you also have to have the right guy that understands culturally all of the really subtle clues about when somebody's lying or why somebody would lie. What's an example? I mean culturally

like just tells like essentially and they're different like these tells are not they're different culturally. 100%. Really? Yeah and the reasons why people would lie are totally different you know like here in New York you know if you were gonna like ask a black guy a question or

a Jewish guy a question, they would lie for different reasons. Yeah. Right? One's financial. Definitely. I didn't say that. I'm Jewish.

He's Jewish. We're good. Safe space. So the reasons and motivations. $10. You don't give me $5. Do you owe him money? No.

Hey, one of my employees Is trying to Score a wedding ring Yeah Know anybody? There's the Diamond District Okay But you don't know nobody No I don't know nobody

I mean I do actually know A guy in Canada That doesn't help me No Because we're Canadian Yeah yeah So I do know a guy in Canada You're Canadian Jews?

I'm from New York Alright I don't know We're both Canadian Yeah we're both Canadian That's why We don't really know any army guys but the okay so the different cultural hotels sorry to interrupt

yeah they're they're important so yeah not just language you need the translator but you also have to have somebody that is like intimately familiar with whatever respective culture of the person that you're interrogating so and what's okay well i feel like like I've seen stats and stuff where people kind of have said that advanced or enhanced? Both are appropriate depending on what you're doing. Okay, like it doesn't work all that good and that's why people are trying to get rid of it and stuff like that. Are you talking about like waterboarding and stuff?

Uh-huh. Oh, waterboarding is great. Yeah, yeah, that's true. Like waterboarding? That seems horrific. No, it is not. No, no, I'm saying to be on the receiving end. Yeah, I'll be on the receiving end of it. Oh, really? Yeah. Just to yeah. That's like waterboarding. That seems horrific. No, it is not. No, no. I'm saying to be on the receiving end. Yeah, I've been on the receiving end of it.

Oh, really? Yeah. Just to try it? For like an hour. What? There's a video of me online. I actually got censored a whole bunch of times where like we perfectly, because like there's a really strict regimented way that you're supposed to do any enhanced or advanced water

interrogation. And so like I demonstrated all of it. And one of the videos like i was waterboarded and it my friends my friends um just kept on violating these really clear guidelines that we would never ever violate in any circumstance what are the guidelines so it's not as it's not as much as what you see in the movies you're saying where it's like a guy no there's not like a a car battery and the dude's like, hey, come here. Hook somebody up.

Like Guantanamo. Yeah, that's madness. Where they play the music and stuff. Do they play the music? Yeah. They do play the music. Yeah, that helps. Okay.

So one of the schools that we have to go to in Special Forces, have you seen G.I. Jane? Yeah. Yeah. Do you remember when she went to Sears School? It's Will Smith's wife. Oh, never mind. No, no, no.

No. No, Demne Moore. Demne Moore. Yeah, Demne Moore. Shaved head. Yeah. like when she went to seer school it's a will smith's wife oh never mind no no no no no demny more yeah demny more shaved head yeah and it's wild that she was so hot with shaved head yeah man you know what sometimes if you're that hot it doesn't matter in the brain and the hair so in the movie if you remember like they beat her they put her in a concentration camp they she put it they like they locked her in boxes that you kind of like stretch or stand. You're in painful positions where like they put you in like a wall sit and like they hose you.

And you've done this stuff. Oh yeah, yeah, for months. Does that kind of mess you up doing that? No. Just hardens you kind of? Well, I guess you're in it for... It's funny you say that because like they walk around and like you're naked and you're in it for... It's funny you say that because they walk around

and you're naked. You're naked too? Yeah, you're totally... Yeah, you're there as a concentration camp person. Like you're training to be captured. Oh, you're saying when they're training you.

I would never do something... It's like the guard's naked. You're like, why are you naked? I don't know. When in Rome. Yeah, I know. What's going on, guard? Looking good.

But the guards will just like walk around and make fun of you they're like oh look at his little dick you know they're like it's cold it's cold outside you know like and I haven't eaten I also have do you know what combat dick is no it's combat like trench foot for the dick no um so because you're so scared yeah all the blood goes to like your internal organs and there's no blood to like yeah like when you get out of the long hot shower yeah and you're like hey this is the time if somebody's gonna take a naked blood goes to like your internal organs and there's no blood to like, you like when you get out of the long, hot shower and you're like, Hey,

this is the time of somebody who's going to take a naked photograph of me, like where I look the best. Like you're vascular and things are just like long and strong. You do not look like that when you're totally naked, somebody spraying a hose on you, you're freezing cold. Yeah. Yeah.

You're getting like beaten every few seconds. So if you're with a chick and she's like, Oh, you call that a dick? You're like, you have no idea how much combat. That's just combat dick right now. Yeah, things can be fun.

You're out of your mind. That wasn't combat dick. But, well, what about the times when... Oh, there's the about. No, I mean... I got it now. No, he doesn't.

No, I know. Oh, you don't? Oh, you're saying the Canadian thing. I thought, because I was about to ask a question about the military. They're like, this guy hates the military.

No, to be honest, we don't know. You know how in America, I would say everyone knows someone that's in the military. You know what I mean? Well, now you know me. Now I know a couple guys. Yeah, thank you. I know a couple guys, but dude, I know no one. He knows one guy.

I know one guy in Canada. My friend of mine was in the Secret Service. That's not the military. Well, he said, but like, dude, I know like no one. This is, he knows one guy. I know one guy in Canada. My friend of mine was in the Secret Service. This is what. That's not the military. Well, he said, but he was in the military, but he got, I guess he was saying that the Secret Service, they get all plucked from the military. Yeah. Most, most federal organizations recruit most of their people.

Because he said, he's like, they don't really have to do like background checks as much because they, if you're in it forever, they're like. Yeah. You like carry over your clearance. Exactly. Exactly. So he's like, it's pretty easy to just move out. Well, he said the...

Now he's a DJ. This is good career change. He's a dope guy. We're waterboarding. No, the one thing he said was he was like the thing that they all hated Michelle Obama because she took their snacks away.

Is that true? Yeah, I don't know. I didn't work for Michelle work for Michelle Obama no oh you weren't in the military then I was in the military um because that's why you're a master sergeant does that mean that you're out because that's what they said no no master sergeant means I'm still in um pretty good like title though right yes that's pretty rad um so her husband president Obama was like my boss so Michelle can't really. But she did the stuff where she,

he was saying, this is, this is what you know, that, that, because she had, she wanted to change like the dietary stuff

to make it like more healthy in the military for food wise. And he was saying everybody was so mad because like, you know, there's, there's a whole thing

where it's just like the morale is just like when the food is good and she just got rid of all of it and everybody was all pissed about it. She took away their like vending machines and she was like, here's a bunch of carrots kind of thing yeah uh we would do anything for extra calories right time like you're so you're so like malnourished

and you're so sleep deprived and you're so like you're such a calorie deficit uh when you're at these schools when you see have you ever seen the snicker bar commercials where there's like this like really evil mean asshole yeah somebody hands him a bar commercials where there's like this like really evil, mean asshole? Yeah, yeah. Somebody hands him a Snicker and he's like this really cute kid. You're like, huh, that's a quick change. That's what like soldiers are like all the time. They're just like mean, hungry, and angry.

And then you hand them Snickers and they're like, ah. Why are they so low on food? We just work so much. We're just working so much. Yeah. Burning calories. Yeah, nonstop. You know, rucksacks, running, you know pt tests non-stop training

yeah yeah and then uh because what like i don't know if everyone knows this but like then you were in the ufc so when you were in the military were you kind of the guy that you're like low-key if i wanted to i could just do this hand-to-hand combat steven seagal style no no steven seagal is useless one two uh you don't like seagal style. No, no. Stephen Seagal is useless, one. Two. You don't like Seagal? No, no, I'm just saying his martial arts, there's not a single fighter ever in history. I don't know.

I saw a video of him beating 200 people at once. Are you trying to tell me that that was fake? Yeah, you follow McDojo on Instagram? No, is that? Are you plugging his ears where I talk negatively about him? Sorry, Stephen. Sorry, Steve. Yeah, you did not teach anderson silva the front kick sorry um there's not a fighter that

you ever showed a technique to that didn't exist did he take credit for the front kick he did wow the front kick i showed anderson silva the front kick it's been around like a thousand years bro yeah there's like there's there's cave wall I saw the video of him showing it to him though. I did show it. Yeah. Sorry, Steven. Okay. So Steven Seagal is a hack in your opinion, but the, but you must've been, if you're a guy that went into the UFC, you obviously must've been like the toughest guy in the military to some degree.

Or was that true? No, I think there's a, there were a lot of talented fighters in, uh, in the military and I've been trained with all of them. They're my training partners. And there's a whole bunch of them that I like brian stan you do you know who he is he he fought middleweight for the ufc okay he won a bunch of titles um you have uh george masvidal uh no not um jorge what is that uh john cena all right jorge rivera um you have uh randy couture yeah i mean like yeah lots of guys it

seems like a good starting point to be in the military and then on the special operations side fighting is is just part of your everyday activity so i mean you could walk into like ranger regiment or a special forces oda and um and there there's high level fighters in there and it's just because it's the nature of what they do. They have to be skilled at violence. Right. They're good. With the waterboarding thing. So you said, so it's basically simulated drowning.

Meh. It's not? No. Is that not what they say it is though? Nah. Because what happens? It looks like in the movie. It's like they're pouring water and then they just keep pouring water and then you go to

gasp for air and then it just fills your lungs? No. No, it never goes in your lungs. It never goes in your lungs. No, it never goes in your lungs. But you can't breathe, right? You're at an angle like you can't go into your lungs oh okay so it's just like water in your nose it's it's it's not a comfortable feeling but you can't breathe i thought was the thing no nah it's just water being poured on your face well if you can't breathe i feel like if you can breathe i feel

like i could do that with forever but how would you be able to breathe you literally can do it forever but how can you breathe so just just? You literally can do it forever. But how can you breathe? Because you can only apply water. It's discomfort. Yeah. But it's not damaging. It's just uncomfortable. But so is trying to trim my two-year-old toenails. And why when they finish it,

the people go, Because you're not breathing during water application. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. But isn't that what they do that for two minutes and then you basically are like- Not for two minutes.

Okay. Yeah. That's the strict guidelines. Yeah. What's the guidelines of how long i tell you who you work for oh we're trying to sneak out of me we work for trudeau i knew it i knew it well i guess i always you know like there is some degree where i'm like uh i guess a lot of people are like you know trying to shut down guantanamo bay and stuff like that and i feel like my natural instinct i'm like this torture stuff's a bit much but i torture is not the right word like i've seen i in uh but didn't some people kind of say like oh i was uh like you know like the people the terrorists in the camps were saying that they were being treated unfairly is this where we're going yeah don't care um we'll go

to where the places that i work and this is i know personally you know where i find guys who have their hands screwed to the wall so that they could watch their kids get raped and murdered where do they do that iraq afghanistan the taliban to like american soldiers to everybody yeah yeah so like there's isis you've seen that yeah yeah so like every time like you went in and there was an American guy tied to the... Screwed. Like Jesus style? Have you read American Sniper?

And they screw it in? Yeah. No, like... Power drill. Did you have to take them out? No, they're dead already. But they... We know what happened

up to that point. They kept them alive to watch stuff. So you're saying their torture's worse? Not even worse. Like how are you comparing me pouring like... water on what you're pouring what you're uncomfortable yeah you guys like i've done killed a thousand times worse things to me in training than anything

that's ever happened you know in in an interrogation so like oh it's okay i got yeah and i'm like it was it was training like it was a tuesday yeah yeah is that kind of like how the cops have to get tasered to yeah exactly you know like i've been tased i don't know how many times you know there's got to be the odd guard that is bad but for sure yeah but that's human nature the spectrum like there's there's assholes in in every single job but it's hard to find them in special forces because we eat our own like if you're an asshole and every single phase of special operations every and there's there's about seven different eight different opportunities i peer rate every single person that's with me one through 13 13 he gets booted every single time if you give them a one time like if one person gives one person a third no so like

the the lowest ranked person yeah he goes oh gotcha so like we through the phases that dirt bag very rarely and they do sneak through because that type of person probably if you are that type of person you'd be like this would be a good job right yeah kind of i don't know well the same reason like pedophiles want to be teachers if you're like the guy that wanted to torture someone like that'd be a good job probably right yeah i feel like you're too keen though they're they're probably we're pretty when do we like your first day you go when do we do the torture yeah you're like yeah it's a weird thing yeah this guy wants it too bad yeah no that guy doesn't exist oh man yeah we we eat him spit him out and then he gets kicked out so some yeah so that's like what are some of the other wild things you've

seen because that's crazy well i was just in ukraine a couple of weeks ago um i was in the like the peak fall of afghanistan where uh do you remember that in august where planes were taking oh yeah like we were just recently people were hanging off the landing gear and you were there yeah we our organization nick and i founded an organization called save our allies and that organization flew four men into afghanistan and we rescued 12 000 people in 10 days wow and uh you know americans um special immigration visa recipients uh green card holders um p1 visas like allies of americans that worked with us it's like movie stuff where you had to track them down and get them to safety and then ukraine do you remember on the news um benji hall the fox news correspondent yeah that it was our organization that went and

rescued benji hall in ukraine and then smuggled him out of ukraine and got him medical care before he died wow like that is that is literally like nick and sarah who you just met downstairs were the three founding board members of save Our Allies. That's crazy. Did they ever, because I remember with the Afghanistan thing, there was all these issues because there was all these people who were essentially cooperating,

like helping the US government. Yep. And then the US government just like abandoned them. Peace out, peace. And they're like, yo, we're on like all these lists. Yeah. Weren't there actual lists like of,

and then like ISIS and- Yeah, that's how, that's why we went over there. So one of our friends, his name is Aziz. There's a book coming out it's called saving aziz and the what the comedian and sorry no no he was a he was a translator for special operations and um aziz was known by the taliban and the taliban as soon as we started leaving afghanistan was like we're coming to get you we're going to screw your hands to the wall we're going to rape and kill all of your family and then

we're going to kill you and then they killed. We're going to rape and kill all of your family. And then we're going to kill you. And then they killed one of Aziz's friends. And like the news started tightening on Aziz. My phone rings. Same time, Nick's on the phone with another friend that's like, we need to get to Afghanistan right now. And we're on a plane to Afghanistan the next day. And you could just like fly while you fly in a Kabul,

like in a commercial flight. Oh, in special operations. Oh, right. This is a military operation. No, military no no no totally civilian oh ngo non-profit gotcha oh but i have like methods yeah yeah yeah like i can get into the place how come you have uh do you have intel no i got like i've been in special forces for 17 years yeah i don't know so like one of our friends i couldn't i couldn't get in there you couldn't get in there friends with like the the sheik or prince of the uae so we were able to lily pad so like we flew into uae and then from uae we were able to hop on a military a uae military c17 and fly uh no we didn't we actually hopped in a civilian plane that we

chartered we bought this afghan afghanistan airline company to fly us into afghanistan this is wow this sounds i'm the third time i'm saying it but all these things you're describing i'm like i think i watched that like yes i'm 24 yeah we haven't seen any of this stuff so where was the most brutal stuff you saw oh man were you in okay the two questions the first one is where's the most brutal stuff

because you were in Iraq, Afghanistan right? you gotta read this book counter drug the book is all the stories in the book yeah most of the stories Ukraine and Mexico is not in there yet Skies and Stripes Ukraine and Mexico is not in there yet

Skies and Stripes available everywhere you get books yeah so what's Mexico or we can get back that's not in the book

well I know you just said that okay that'll be in the second book I don't know okay just one just give me one of like where was

the worst shit you saw or was it the hands on the wall counter piracy in Africa counter poaching in Africa I i mean that's bad um counter human trafficking in south america counter drug that's serious stuff yeah jason statham stuff jason jason jason statham's like always in movies where he's like getting back oh like movies our frame of reference for

all this stuff by the way is only entertainment okay yeah yeah dude yeah it's like he goes he runs like you know all the badasses seagulls a bunch of media doing a bunch of fucking people who know what they're talking about yeah he's doing the book i'm sorry well actually my brain was like wait a second because there are holywood people that do really not great things with human traffic oh i didn't mean that yeah yeah that's why i was like no oh i actually not aware of this name because i was not tracking him as like i mean i could give i could list more like liam neeson like he's made that movie five times where you go to rescue people from human traffic yeah but you're talking movies again there's also like the epstein yeah yeah right where you start listing a list celebrities

that so what happened in africa what'd you have to do uh so and this is kind of uh regardless of what kind of pain you are dealing whether it's drugs like fentanyl um or prostitution of a young girl and human trafficking and slavery or you're selling rhino horn whatever like human suffering that you're selling the same kind of person regionally does the same thing everywhere like there's an archetype of that person regardless of where they are yeah and really like the currency or the thing that you're the product that you're selling is just regional you know it's like the same asshole that's selling drugs out of medellin colomb Colombia is also probably selling girls.

Yeah. And then like the, because cocaine's not so readily available in Africa, but girls and ground up rhino horns are, it's like the same person. What do they do with the rhino horns? Is it like a aphrodisiac? They think it is. They think it is.

But it's literally like a fingernail or hair. Yeah. But it's, so like, it's nothing. That's one of the craziest, because I remember there was like a big thing with like, obviously like the shark fins is like a big one and then there's like which also does nothing they none of them do anything and there's like tiger penis is one and they're all just replacements for viagra every single one of them is there just yeah it does seem

like every they're not replacements like every time anybody says something i want to make sure like everybody knows that none of those things actually but i'm saying like yeah but they're like they go through these crazy lengths to like hunt these animals and like torture the sharks alone it doesn't help your dick but i'm like but there's like a pretty good thing now for it like you know a pretty like you don't have to kill anybody and it's been out long enough where there's off brands that you can get for like very inexpensive but i can't imagine that like a tiger penis is cheaper than a fucking you would know blue pill i don't know i would guess it's way more expensive yeah you got the blue diamond the viagra and then like what's the knock

off that's yeah uh there's the alice blue that's the alice right and the blue cheer like yeah lots of options yeah all way better than like ground up rhino horn yeah from anybody listening a poacher don't kill a rhino a rhino to get unnecessary so unnecessary but you know when people say that there's like, you know, X amount of people that are still slaves, like when they talk about slavery here, they'll be like, there's still slavery in lots of parts of the world.

Is that true? Oh yeah. Where? In America. In America? Yeah. Do you mean jail? Like no, human trafficking.

Okay. Yeah. We have... But is that what they mean? It's kind of like a like it's not like legal where you can actually own the person it's like yeah these people like illegally kind of own all these people yeah there's no legal slavery anywhere that's what i was but there is a slavery is prolific all over the planet it's all sex slavery a lot of it is yeah but there's

not there's probably or maybe what would be like they force you to work on a mine or something yeah on a mine mining diamonds or um you're working in the basement of bogota um i mean in china you're like what are the urals doing the uighurs or whatever literally a million people in concentration yeah thank you and what do you think yeah china and russia have a different playbook no they have definitely. Slavery, where's this line where somebody consensually is allowing a government or an individual to use them for something? Like, cool, we're paying you living wages just as significant as I'm just giving you enough to survive. Yeah. Like even a slave owner pre-Civil War, he would keep his slaves alive and some of them like would treat them well because the slave would do more

work for them it's also morally wrong so like this there's this really fine line of like where do we start calling the slavery it's really easy right when it's like i guess the idea is you own the person not the like but there's no contract you know like this human trafficker doesn't they didn't make a bad deal with this guy. They, right. It's like, I own this 13 year old threat of violence or drugs.

Like they just keep them hooked on heroin, you know? And like the, the girls just needs the next fixed, but she also has nowhere to go because she has, she was kidnapped when she was 11. And if she thinks she leaves, they'll kill her too.

Potentially probably. Yeah. But she has nowhere to go. Yeah. And she's addicted. ID like nothing. She's totally, she's a slave yeah yeah exactly gonna take a quick second here to tell the fellas about fit bod if you want to be jacked like the kid i actually lost 10 pounds since i've been getting jacked again you gotta be you gotta get it on with the

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they have the best sense of humor yeah yeah there's a lot of funny military guys right yeah dark like all the shit be tough to not have any yeah there's a lot of funny military guys right yeah and dark yeah you have for sure right like all the shit you're like all your stories you're like be tough to not have any sense of humor you have a canadian friend that he said a lot of them quit um the military because well i'll tell this first but he he said a lot of them quit because of the vaccine stuff in canada and um he said one

of the reasons was a lot of the military guys um they tried out a lot of these experimental drugs on them and a lot of them had like really bad consequences and what he was saying was like we were all like yeah we signed up for it that's kind of what it is we'll be the experiments but does that happen a lot yeah what's what are some examples because i i know that but i don't know like what if i pulled out my yellow card, my vaccination, immunization, military card, it is two pages. Oh, yeah? Yeah.

Because you're going all over the world, right? So you need a thing for every... Yellow fever, dango fever, everywhere. Actually, you're going to Somalia. You're going to Somalia. You're going to go to Botswana. You're going to go to Africa. Hey, you got to go over to Afghanistan.

But do a quick little stop over in Qatar. Just like... But he kind of says like i guess he says that it wasn't like vaccines to go travel it was like hey we're gonna try this experimental stuff and it gave them all uh like a severe like depression and all this sort of stuff a bunch of bad stuff yeah what so how does that happen but it's also this sounds terrible um you have the best population to try things on because we're the healthiest yeah right we're like we're like the one percent of society so

like talk about the best guys to get your best sample population from the fittest the strongest where you'd have the the least adverse reactions so like it's super criminal i guess there could be maybe some like the other side of that might be that um if you have those people are in such high stress situations that if it's like gonna make them more depressed or like your head messed up like they already you know a lot of people in the military are already dealing with that so maybe it's like the worst people for that yeah yeah i mean i don't think it's good to test stuff on anybody anytime without like no full consent and and it's like i guess they consented but they kind of it's crappy because they consent just by being there yeah like full consent. And it's not- Well, I guess they consented, but they kind of-

It's crappy consent choice. Well, they consent just by being there, right? Like you consent to anything essentially. Or like, hey, I'm gonna kick you out of this job and you can't be in the military unless you consent. Is that real consent? No. No, that's a forced consent.

So there's this fine, again, the spectrum, this like, where is this line in the sand where it's like, okay, for us to like ethically- Yeah, I was saying that yesterday because in Canada actually yesterday or two two days ago they announced the first uh essentially they're paying people who had adverse effects from the covid vaccine because canada got this like low rent one like we got this they got this shitty one they got the bad well there's the astrazeneca one because canada fucked up and didn't get any of the like quote-unquote whatever pfizer or moderna and then there's this guy and like the government is straight up like yeah

this is from the vaccine yeah america hasn't quite yet acknowledged well but they don't think they had that one here but for sure there's i'm sure the 10 times population there has to be but the thing is like the guy's like you know i didn't really i wasn't forced to but then you're also like but you kind of were yeah you you were no no you kind of were you were yeah you were like you can't go to work in canada right now you can't travel travel yeah you can't cross a state line you can't yeah you can't get on a bus a train or a plane in canada so you're forced to force there's no consent yeah and like in his instance you're like 100 he would have been better off obviously slaves to the government yeah you got you guys need to figure out your presidential situation.

It's not going to get better. You don't like Trudeau. I mean, we haven't lived there in years. Talk to your friends. Oh, no. All our friends are like it's a fucking nightmare. I've seen this playbook before. Throughout history multiple times.

And we see what tyranny dictators do. Yeah, you think he reminds you of a lot of other people? Yeah. Oh, for sure. I mean, the gun thing would be an example. Look at Venezuela right now yeah you think trudeau's like a venezuela this is the same playbook this is just go back for six years like okay we're we're we're mandating these things um we're instituting these kind of large society everybody has to do this food rationing then weapon confiscation. And then it's like,

dun, dun, dun. Yeah. Well, I don't know if you saw a lot because of the shooting, the school shooting in Uvalde, then,

you know, there's not really a gun problem in Canada at all. It's pretty difficult to get a gun anyways. And there's not mass shootings, none of that stuff. And then the shooting happened. And then the next day he's like, all right,

no, no more pistols. We're banning like 1500 different kinds of assault rifles, like, you know, buybacks all that stuff i'm like it's not even your country i'm a super freedom person yeah all of them you wouldn't like canada no like all the freedoms so with the gun like what's your take on you know

all the the shootings or whatever what's what do you think should happen or do you think anything should happen or do you think this is just i think there's a lot a lot should happen uh yeah there's a huge problem that has to be addressed. I love, you know, do you listen to Matthew McConaughey yesterday? Yeah, yeah. This will come out in like a week unfortunately. Did you listen to Matthew McConaughey last week?

Yeah, what did you think of him? I loved where his heart was. You know, I love that he was so passionate about it and he's not wrong. Like we need to come together to figure this out. But also it's super hypocritical that he's playing passionate about it. And he's not wrong. We need to come together to figure this out. But also, it's super hypocritical that he's playing in every action movie. And he's executing a guy on his knees in one of his movies. And then he's like, oh, boy, let me talk about gun violence.

But those are movies. But it's a culture problem. And if we have young men. That's what I said. If we're having young men that are acting out in violence, why are they acting out? Let's go back to the root problem instead of being reactive and responsive and be like, Hey, let's make our school hard targets. Okay. We can do that. You know, let's talk about gun control and gun laws. Okay. We can talk about that. You know, let's talk about like training police and teachers

the right way. Okay. We can talk about that. Those are all responsive, reactive things. But if you go upstream to where the problem is, the person actually doing the violence, it's young, broken men. It it's it's young men that are missing significant uh mental health and uh masculine attributes that make them a healthy young man and we see the same same shooter over and over again different place you know different motivation but it's still like a broken young man yeah what do you think the problem is with men right now and what's the it's it's this litany of problems and it's it's devicesness of social media um it's hollywood it's video games it's um like they

live in this echo chamber of tiktok snapchat where like their ideas are perpetuated back to them by the algorithms right it's like if if let's say you're far left or far right you know you get to pick who you follow and then the algorithm feeds you stuff that really reinforces these your own ideas and then they'll give you something that's completely against your belief system that has been echoed over and over and you're like oh my god and then you have this great interaction like lots of retweets and you say something horrific and then everybody interacts and it's great for the algorithm because like more people interacting that's terrible you know like a movie where they're but that's specifically i go what do you think should happen about that like the way that algorithms sort of control everything how would that change okay it has to

has to be like the divisiveness do you think the government should sort of like limit the way the algorithms work and again as a freedom first person the if town hall is a place where we are are all collectively having conversations but then some are being censored and some aren't, and then the more irrational, violent speech is then getting echoed and perpetuated, that is not a healthy town hall. That is a dangerous echo chamber for dangerous ideas where competing ideas don't even have a place because then they're censored. I do like it better when they used to just show you the most reasonable. Chronological. Yeah.

But you can do that on Twitter. Yeah, you can do it. I said that. Can you do that? Yeah, you can. I mean, like... Yeah, but no one does. It's just like the stars in the right...

I don't know, you know. You can say that you want to do that, but they're still going to do whatever they want. Yeah. I actually noticed that my chronological... I said it chronological on my phone, but on my... if I go on the computer, it's not for some reason, which I think would be like, that's the default. Connected, yeah. Well, yeah, exactly.

What do you think about, because remember in the Texas high school shooting in 2018, and then Trump was like, we should get veterans in the schools. I love that. And everybody laughed at him because he's trump i'd love it i'd love it because there's obviously an issue in america with the way veterans are treated and like after they're done and so he suggested that but just the fact that he suggested that people yeah i know like anytime trump had any good idea it was because it came out of his mouth like there's so many times like can someone else say that yeah you know um well for sure i mean i went and looked back and all these articles are just literally like laughing at it yeah they're just suggesting it was a great idea and now everybody's talking about it's better than what they're working with currently

like what else is there but stand there stand there and let kids die you don't like that plan well i mean but there is an issue with with like the way veterans are treated once they leave right like i so i'm, it seems like a pretty... And then everybody's like, there's no money for it. But then there's like $80 billion for Ukraine and $5 trillion for COVID. So you're like, there is. Yeah, there's plenty. Yeah.

Plenty of money to make a school a hard target. They had like a few of them. But what about some of the other things that people say that like like you know how they uh like i agree with those ones and then when people say oh maybe why should people like not have a license for a car but they don't have to have a license they have a license for a car but not have to have a license for a gun like why is that crazy um there's a degree of the roads are maintained by the government right um they're paid for by our taxes and um while you're on those roads there's like in the preamble to the constitution

like the the first real requirement is that there's justice and um and in that beautiful constitution like obviously the second amendment being a really important one that's front loaded behind the first being freedom of speech which we're doing right now um the the the real difference is that the point of americans being able to have firearms is is not just for their own security and my my family's safe like there are armed people around my family to make sure that they're safe um the school that i own is is armed people around my family to make sure they don't act out out i love it i just love these words um you know the uh but that inherent right for me to be able to protect my family and provide for my family um i don't need a license for that you know for me to drive down the road

and uh follow the the the rules and the laws. So when I go to buy a gun, there are rules and laws for me to buy that gun. I have to do a background check. I have to wait in some places for a period of time for me to be issued that firearm. And those are all important laws. So you already do have to kind of do a bunch of stuff. Yeah, a while. So it's more like getting a motorcycle license

than it is like getting a car license. Yeah, it's harder. And guns aren't registered here. Yeah, I don't think you get a background check when you go and do a car. No. No? No background check?

No, no, no. So can you buy a car if you, I don't know, have a felony? Absolutely. Yeah, okay, you can't buy a gun. Yeah. If you're currently in a restraining order for domestic violence, can you go get a driver's license? Yeah.

Yeah, absolutely. Can you buy a car? Yeah, you can. You can't buy a gun. Yeah, yeah. If you've been disarmamently discharged from the military, can I go buy a car? Yeah, absolutely. Of course, yeah.

You can't buy a gun. The list goes on and on and on. Nobody knows this because nobody talks about it. Instead, we just use this low-h uh talking points like ah this is going to solve it's not going to solve it we do have to go upstream and talk about mental health and that's where the origin of the problem is everything else so many people too right oh so many so many broken young men if you're like if you have 10 a year you're just like what percentage of the population is that out of 350 yeah how do you you're like we have to that's still 10 too many and it's also like yeah i mean and then i mean

there's no question like this is the only country where this is like a regular and maybe i was looking at the stats and i'm like i do wonder though i'm like how it's reported in other countries uh yeah there's different because if you look at this i'm talking about this but like if you look at the school shootings in the past 13 years i believe since 2009 america is like i believe the number was 288 in america and then the next country second was mexico at eight and i'm like that's fucking impossible impossible impossible yeah like that that it's 288 and then eight yeah in um in del rio when uh el huevo who is the cartel leader that he was captured about five five months ago the it turned into a war zone i mean they were like because the cartel was

hundreds of bodies yeah hundreds of bodies dead in the street like was that included in that uh in that article that you read nope nope that was omitted you know um three days ago a bunch of uh radicals walked into a church in africa and murdered everybody like was that included no absolutely not so regionally lots of different problems but the school shooting problem it is going to the individual which is a broken man a broken young man that is missing significant development most moments of his life yeah what do you think that uh like either okay so but when you kind of look at like social media and stuff like that and you're just like okay obviously there's like a problem with all these things and probably they'll just get worse you

know what i mean and i feel like on an individual level you can say to someone how to get their shit together and whatever but you're talking about like well how do you get 150 million people to do it yeah what's what do you think i think it has to be a cultural shift i think um you know when uh when i grew up i think i was like 10 like no girls allowed in school again just the boys are back when i lost you want school shootings of the boys back the boys are back i lost a wrestling tournament and i'm standing in the center it was a single elimination first match of the day i go out there and i get stomped and i'm standing in the middle of this gymnasium and the guy next to me gets his hand raised and i'm standing there with my head hung in shame and um you know i have to walk off the mat with like ejected and um like i've gone on to fight in the ufc and i fought for, you know, like multi-time headliner main

events in UFC. And, uh, like if you didn't go back to that first loss where I was, the pain of losing, like that is an important moment in developing as a man. Yeah. And, uh, we've stolen those moments, right. Where like both kids get their hand raised, both kids get participation trophies, right. Like they walk into school and they're like, Hey, little Johnny, um, you know, don't be a boy today. Like let's pretend like we're girls today. Like we, we, we keep on removing, um, the, the opportunities for young men to turn into young men. There's no question. They're kind of feminized in society, but here's one thing that I always kind of say about the feminized man is a dangerous thing. It's a dangerous man. Yeah. Like a strong, powerful man that knows and has learned restraint.

Like that is a good man. Yeah. You know, but a feminine man that doesn't know how to control rage or anger, that's a dangerous man. And there's, there's, there's obvious, probably like the other way too, where it's someone that's just too, like, you know, the guy that's just like all in on, you know, fighting nonstop. Like, obviously that has its own problems yeah yeah balance is probably a good way to look at that spectrum of human

existence like those outliers are always dangerous but when i okay so maybe america's different but everyone always says like the participation trophy thing and i when i went to school we did get participation trophies but no you also knew you lost yeah like it wasn't like they're like oh everyone's good they're like if anything it's almost like if anything they're rubbing in your face yeah yeah yeah like i do also remember that i was like i literally was like yeah i'm gonna fucking go toss on the way to the car thanks my son was playing lacrosse and the parents like i play lacrosse oh do you really you look like a lacrosse player. Yeah. Yeah. See, and a drummer. They're like, the parents were like, are we keeping score?

And the kids were like, yes, we're keeping score. That's your kids? Yeah. They stopped keeping score? No, they were like discussing in this lacrosse league. When are they going to keep score? We should keep score. He's six.

Okay. Not as crazy. It's not, but it's also crazy. Yeah. I mean, it's just like sports have rules. It's a point. Yeah, there's not as crazy it's not but it's also crazy yeah i mean it's just like yeah there's a point to it yeah like don't step over the line you know like 100 they're important you can take a second quick break here to tell you about butcher box i love the box it's barbecue season get out there it's It's time for barbecuing. Oh, you want them to come over and see some wienery-ass garbage that you're putting on that grill?

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I mean, yes, like that, that book is still in existence, but like the, the ideas of fascism and, you know, like,

um, antisemitic ideas like that's, that's some, some horseshit. Um, but those are real and they're prevalent. That's some bullshit, dude.

Yeah. Thanks buddy. And you see them all over the world still, you know? And, uh, so like that, that's the biggest travesty is that Hitler's ideas still exist.

The second one is that they had a real plan about how to get Hitler out. There's no question that they had orchestrated and devised escape routes, rat lines to move him. And towards the end of the war war they were using that to get out high-level nazis and when they came to me and they were like hey um so you speak spanish that's good uh have you used ground penetrating radar i was like yeah i hunted uh the taliban in afghanistan so like we use that like that's good um and now you can fly drones i guess i can they can uh you have hunted people before i'm like yeah for the past like you know decade like do you want to hunt nazis yes i do yeah this is like the best thing anybody's ever asked me and i've been asked some pretty rad things would you do hunt trump

supporters yeah um the uh no i hunted nazis yeah in south america yeah yeah yeah i mean all over the world i mean i remember when i was a kid reading the the adolf eichmann book about how they got him out of there it's pretty crazy so sick it a kid reading the the adolf eichmann book about how they got him out of there it's pretty crazy they're so sick it's insane i went to adolf eichmann's house oh really i went to the place that they captured him i went to the the factory that he worked at and i um so to figure out a pattern of life like if adolf eichmann is is like let's say like the nucleus i also want to know all the supporting mechanisms so there's no place there's no way like a guy like that could have gotten there without support oh for sure i mean the tons of them yeah so that's why i was there i was like reverse planning and engineering like who these people were and how

they got there who was funding them and then like what um even current day what what degrees of these ideas uh and dangerous propaganda still exist yeah Yeah. It's rad. Yeah, it's crazy. But you don't think that he did get out and he lived in Brazil? Or are you still like undecided? I know the method to get him out existed. And I know in April of 1945, Berlin is a shithole.

You have Russia coming in with tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of Russian soldiers. And then you have russia coming in with tens of thousands hundreds of thousands of of russian soldiers and then you have um obviously the allied forces that are just coming in and it's just like death everywhere bombs flying so the thought of getting one of those planes out of there is is is a hard thing or do you see like chest sweat no no no i'll just turn it on you're a gen yeah yeah we'll uh, it's fine. Well, we can,

uh, audio moves, you know, do they, people know how nice you are. Okay. How, how many do you,

I don't know. Sorry. Just back. This is interesting, but how, how many did, did they have an estimate of how thousands, thousands of Nazis,

thousands, mostly Argentina. Yeah. And I just don't want to say Nazis. Cause I'm talking like high level Nazis. Yeah. Yeah. You know,

we're like, yeah, I'm not talking about, no, I'm not not talking about like soldiers I'm talking about like the like colonels and yeah like the Adolf Eichmann tier of these like these high level yeah yeah like fuck those guys yeah that was uh they should burn in hell you know like Joseph Mengele died of old age yeah I mean the amount of people that must have died of old age just on a beach and fucking. And they didn't just go to South America. You know, at the same time, Israel was about to pass partition. So, you know, you had a gold mayor and David Gurion starting to stand up Israel. And, you know, the the the U.N. vote about recognizing them as a country. you know the the the un vote about recognizing them as a country and uh like guess who is advising a whole bunch of the middle eastern countries and the founding of the mujahideen who's that nazis

yeah yeah so you'll see like these pictures of like all these little middle eastern dudes and they'd be like what's that tall blonde blue-eyed dude doing here oh shit that is and he literally traced them back and he's like a colonel from the nazi party that is advising the mujahideen about how to attack israel so a whole bunch of those guys went to north africa in the middle east oh it was a kind of like a yo we hate jews too like yeah it's like hey what do we got in common uh oh we both hate jews so like let's go and uh figure out another way to kill them what do you uh okay what did like do you know there's a lot of people like what do you think of like tulsi gabbard and people like that that i mean which may be probably a lot of our friends and maybe us a little bit where you're just like uh like you know the

iraq shouldn't have happened like you know the war in yemen needs to end now like what what do you think like do you think that that that type of thought is like naive and I think we get comments both ways do you think that stuff's naive or do you think that like there is a problem you know what I'm yeah I'm uh you're talking about like our foreign policy like where should we be on um our external strength like interventionism yeah yeah what's like where's do you sit on that as like a guy that was in it because I guess she would be like someone that was like in the military and she's like this is yeah she's still in the military or is in the military she's a friend she's a good friend of mine okay i had dinner with her last night oh really really oh cool yeah she was on

fox and friends this morning oh that's interesting that we had dinner with her i'm like are you familiar with this girl yeah she's she's um so you have like the rand paul the tulsi gabbers like the anti-intervention correct yeah they're like on this far end right um so you have like the ran paul the tulsi gabbers like the anti-intervention correct yeah they're like on this far end right and then you have kind of like the warmongers that are wanting the the the government defense um complex just to keep running yeah and um and back to spectrum uh like in the middle i think is where rational people should be and like the logical what is our foreign policy where should we be what strategic position should we be like should we be in japan are we in japan right now yeah yeah tons of bases yeah a ton of j like yes we like i'm like like china is like

knocking on the door to invade taiwan and uh you know so it's like it's pretty strategically crucial like that we're there we've been you know, since we beat them after Pearl Harbor and we dropped a couple of nukes on them. So it's kind of, it's hard to roll any of these things back once they get started, right? Yeah. Yes. And no, but then like North Korea, should we like, we leave South Korea? I'm not, these aren't true questions.

Because of North Korea. Like you're saying, should, if you leave North Korea, South Korea, that would be bad for North Korea. Yeah, so we had like the Korean war, and that was a big, horrible war. I'm not sure if you've dug that. But is the argument that America needs there because it's for stability in the region? Yeah. But how does that benefit America, I guess, is the question always, right?

That is the question. like the more stable a world, as a capitalist country, the more opportunity there is for commerce and for like democratic and American, not just ideals, but like Western ideals of democracy and freedom to be readily available to everybody. If you look at North Korea, they're not super free. If you look at China,

they're not super free. If you look at Venezuela, you're like, not super free. And so in an effort to try to provide stability to these regions... You can say that about Canada in a lot of ways. Yeah, but not compared to... I was trying to throw him in there. I'm not going to throw you guys.

So that is the argument to have more in more places. It feels like it doesn't work, though, that good, does it? I mean, I imagine if America tomorrow goes, we're withdrawing from japan and korea and we're out like like they left afghanistan like there's it's not going to be like nothing happens no like immediately like immediately all these plans are gonna yeah we get taiwan and do what we're also going to take all of japan yeah exactly like yahtzee gotcha it's like a body it's like a bouncer out of you know you're just you know all the new stuff that's like you know all the new stuff that's been kind of going on for five years? That's the other question that I was going to say that people always message.

They'll be like, hey, we changed the standards to make more girls in. And then all the girls basically had to drop out. They try to rejig things for social justice reasons or whatever, and it always makes it worse. Have you seen a lot of that in the military? So they try a whole bunch of the shenanigans all the time in the military and it never it never works it never works it always backfires you know and like they're never smart enough to be like in this in their effort of of like social engineering

in an effort of social justice so like oh that didn't work let's try it a different way we're like bro you just like tried it nine different ways none of it didn't work you know so they did uh one was the one they said they go to like to make it even they made men and women have like the same like tests it was just like did women just getting dummied yeah so uh it was the army combat fitness test the acft and um everybody's like you know we know we need even and fair across all the board you know women and men same test same everything want wall so then yeah like obviously yeah so no one else is gonna be like actually like on promotions a woman would be in like the bottom five percent for looking at their next promotion

because they scored so negatively on this rated eval so oh wait okay wait we won't, wait. We won't even use it as a metric of measurement anymore because it's so one-sided. Don't even include that number. Just say in a narrative how they did. And they're like, ooh, that didn't work either. So then they literally tried it for two years and just got away from it. So it's insane.

And if it's at Facebook, I don't care. Like if you're at Apple and they're like, hey, we're going to do this thing where it's making sure everything's even and I don't care about performance. I don't care. But when it comes to the military, whose one job is to go and fight our nation's war and to be a deterrence for future wars that is our one job don't play these social games yeah and you don't want to be like the first country doing that either right like you don't want to be like yeah we're like you're making it real easy here and then all these other countries are like thanks yeah yeah i want i want like russia and china to be looking at us and be like dude those that guy is starved he's been put in a cage and he's just

smoking a cigarette. He has a neck tattoo and a teardrop tattoo underneath his eye. Don't want to fight that guy. Let's just go pick an easier problem. We'll just go to Ukraine. How easy is it? Okay. I mean, we've heard stories, but how

easy is it for dudes to get ladies when they're on tours? Does that happen a lot or is it pretty much kind of not? Or is it a don't ask, don't tell? Depends on don't ask, don't tell went away a long time ago. I don't mean that don't ask, don't tell. I actually didn't mean that one.

I meant like, is it like, you know, what happens on the road happens on the road. I mean, there seems to be no shortage of stories of where you hear someone's like, yeah, I have like a half brother in the Philippines. Yeah, or whatever, because my dad was like stationed there is that like rare or dudes picking up girls where they're it's really commonplace you know but the military yeah the military has um really yeah as i'm married so if i yeah i don't mean for people like that obviously

there's a lot of married people uh but like it's against ucmj it's like the united states military you're not supposed to i cannot so like i would be demoted and i would see um i i would face serious like criminal type charges if i violated one of these rules only if you're married or yeah or just yeah yeah depending on the time oh if you're single it's not there's no laws against depends on the type of deployment so there are deployments where like there is no fraternization socialization it's like that's what i was asking yeah like in um in japan there were uh from okinawa a couple of soldiers got out and gotten like they were out and got in trouble dude getting discharged and you're like too much pussy yeah that's such a funny way to get but we also want like proper soldiers right so like there's a degree of ethics and morality that I expect from soldiers and for myself.

It's like balance. Yeah. We're human. But also like you guys have to be professional, especially when we're a host nation. Are you sharing a blind eye every now and then? No. Oh, no. And is that how it's considered?

Like when there's a base in a foreign country, like it's like a host nation? Because like Japan doesn't have bases in America. No. I mean, they have embassies. They have embassies. But why does Japan not say, well, if you get a base here, we want to, or is it because America just has the bigger military? No, there was like this day in infamy where they came and dropped fucking bombs on Pearl

Harbor and we went and nuked them and we fucking kicked their ass. So that's a punishment. No, now it's stability. Now it's stability. Yeah. Like now if we left, Japan would be looking at China like, bro, what's going to happen here? Yeah, yeah.

So now they're like, please don't leave us. Yeah, yeah. Pretty please. Can you just keep the space here? Yeah, a lot of people, once you're there, they're just, I'm sure the citizens are like, well, if you leave now, it's going to be a pain in the ass. Oh, man, not a pain in the ass. What about like in the Philippines?

It can be a bit of a pain in the neck. What about in, say, like the Philippines? Because I know there's... I was speaking with someone, and I think there's a lot of military bases there, right? Yeah, I mean, there's cultural and philosophical and extremist ideas. There were levels of ISIS that were operating

in the Philippines that we're fighting. Obviously, Philippines being in Asia is also a constant target by China. So even though China is not like a declared war enemy of us, they on the like geoeconomical plane are combating us. I mean, it's a, it's a battle for one and two, right? So yeah, you got to imagine two wants to be one. And then just one quick thing on uh like well i know you're in like uh for example for about like you know uh productivity and like

working out and stuff because i know like that's like you're a fit-ass dude right obviously and the first thing is i have an argument with people all the time where i say that how i lose weight like what i do is sometimes i'll get unhealthy, especially because life gets so crazy and touring and stuff like that. And then when I'm done that, I'll straight up like starve for a month that like lose the 20 pounds. Okay.

And people always, well, this is what other people say. They're like, that's crazy. But I feel like it's like a good method. And then I, I mean, they just started calling that intermittent fasting anyway. So you think,

but like, is there any actual reason? But intermittent fasting is like 24 hours. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, he's not literally starving. No, not starving, starving, but like, you know, eating 600, 700 calories a day. I eat like 6,000 calories a day. You eat 6,000 calories a day. How much calories do you burn a day? 6,000.

Like 7,000, 8,000. Right. So I'm in a calorie deficit. So I get your idea. But is there any real health problems with what I'm doing? Or is it just like on paper, it seems crazy? How do you feel? Well, I'm in a calorie deficit. So I get your idea. Is there any real health problems with what I'm doing or is it just like on paper? It seems crazy. How do you feel? Well, I'm tired that miserable that month. Yeah. That month sucks. Why would you do that? If there's like an easier, healthier way to do it where you didn't feel miserable? Well, because I feel like I'm like,

you have one life. You're like, why not be, why would you lose a whole month of happiness? Here's my argument is that I'm losing a month of like it sucks for a month and I can like focus on that for a month straight really hard, which is easier to me than like sort of focusing on it for 11 months. Man, I like everything's easier when you're healthy all the time, you know, so like sex is easier and funner. You're like your wife's like, hey, boy, you're looking good. It is better when the girl's healthier. Yeah, yeah, in both directions, right? And sleep's easier. Food tastes better.

I do have problems sleeping. Yeah, all of that's easy when you're healthy. And when you're fit, literally, I can't think of a thing that's not being able to work and being able to lead and being able to, you know, like look rad and close and, and like have the, you're like your partner, like by her lower lip and be like, Hey, what are you doing after work? And like,

that's all so much more fun. Some girls say they like the dad, Bob, but I think they're kind of lying. They're lying or they're insecure, you know, and they're just like, maybe it's your,

yeah. Yeah. Like being able to step out on the lacrosse field and play with my son. My son right now is at a, a motocross camp and it's like breaking my heart that I'm in new york because i want to be on a motorcycle with him racing you know but i can't do that if i'm fat you know so like yeah there's like it's just better uh-huh you know so like i'd rather just stay awesome and then instead of like being kind of shitty and then like be really shitty and then just kind of shitty yeah that's just my approach

sometimes it's like the schedule thing the schedule's hard what are some well but you also have the discipline of a man who's in the military yeah like i was furious that she still this was actually my workout time was this scheduled before or is this like recent yeah it was um we're i was talking about it with ari and then basically we were talking yesterday and there and then you uh could only come in yesterday and i was like ah we have to do a wednesday and then i think you made it work yeah this was like my 90 yeah she made it work and she stole my 90 minute workout time oh you're gonna work out now supposed to be running up the 30 floors and well that's what happens to me so then i fast to make i'll still work it out i was trying to talk him into coming to the to the stairwell with me to do 10 times up and down 30

floors and okay what's the best thing to help you sleep? If you can't sleep, uh, exercise and sex. Yeah. Sex is a really, that helps you sleep. I feel like sometimes it's the opposite where it's like, okay, let's say I'm about to go to sleep or whatever.

What? Do sex better. Oh, you say I'm not laying it down hard. I'm saying, I'm saying like one, be healthy. Right.

So like, I'm feeling good. I had a good meal. Right. And then I like had a good, long, hard day at work. And then I grabbed my like beautiful partner and we like get rad you know there's a little bit

of sweat like there's a little bit of excitement right and then it's like oh that was amazing hop in the hot shower lay back in bed like my head doesn't even hit the pillow and it's like peace out world i'll see you guys and i feel like sometimes that wakes me up more where i'm just like oh i'm so tired i can go back go back to sleep. And then you like, yeah. Yeah. Which is a different set of problems. So you think that's the biggest one is like have sex before you go to sleep. No, I'm saying like the total human there, right? Like you're, you're being healthy.

Like the libido is awesome. I had good meals that day. I worked hard and then I go and like, I'm a good like partner and like, maybe not even thinking it's like the, you're just, I'm just being like lying there and I'm a good like partner and like maybe not even it's like the you're just obviously like lying there and I'm like you know I start like I've I try to like force myself not to think but I'll just start thinking about like whatever sketches and stand up and this and that or like this thing I'm trying and I just can't like then I'm then I can't just lie there for three hours yeah I don't know more sex it sounds like yeah more exercise better diet more sex okay so and then yeah i guess you

have like such a military uh you know like were you very disciplined before getting into the military i've been an athlete my whole life yeah yeah so like i grew up in an athlete whole home you know so like this was this was just the way that it was yeah like we ate clean we uh we worked hard you know like my mom would like lock us out of the house until the sun went down I'm a child of the 80s too I heard you talk about some of the stuff that guys like Tim Ferriss talk about where you're like hey if I'm going to spend time with my kids

I need to section that off I feel like a lot of people don't like that message because it makes them feel robotic so do you have any tips for you? it's intentionality it's different than me being robotic intentionality is I care about this thing and i'm going to be intentional to ensure that i pour a degree of myself into it yeah when you're sitting there think about your

your skits like that is intentional no no that is intentionality like if you're gonna be okay no if you're gonna be a good comic i'm complimenting you like that that is literally the way that you have to do it I'm going to legitimately dedicate some time for me to think about this I even have that argument sometimes where we be like okay I'm not someone will be like think about this and I'm like no

I'll think about this during this time try to not leave yourself time but if you care about your family if you care about your partner I love my wife and I want her to feel important and valued. And like the thing that makes her feel loved and valued is time. So like I have to be like with my like I own multiple businesses. I travel all over the world.

As soon as I get done with this book tour, I got to go back to Ukraine. You know, so like I have to be like very focused. What time do you get up? I'm like a I'm an early person with not a lot of sleep type. Like you have like Jocko Willings, like 6am. Jocko's like three 30, four 30.

Four 30 is crazy. That dude is wild. I gotta be up at four tomorrow. Three 30 is ridiculous. So, so silly. Well, you just have to go to sleep so early.

I don't think there's anything worse than when I'm like on Twitter at three 30 in the morning. And Jocko's like waking up. God damn you, Jaco. I'll be honest, I love that guy. I also, like, he, you know, it's extreme. It's literally the title of his book, Extreme Ownership. So he definitely takes it to the extreme, but I like that methodology of

there is no other solution to any of this problem besides me. Like, I am the solution, and i'm also the problem so like i really like that okay so what's uh the the thanks for turning that on that's a that was a game changer yeah thanks dude and okay so i know you gotta get out of here but we'll do with the uh the like the prescription forgot for men like as a society like uh if you could summarize it again and then prescription for men individually, what they can do. Yeah. So think about like four pillars. I have like a fitness app literally called the four pillars of fitness. And one of them is do work. And I'm going to break that down

into like having a job that you feel productive. Like you're doing something, you're creating, you're building, you know, like if you look at my hands, like there's chunks of my flesh missing from nonstop work. Um, like I waterboard, but like I'm doing all day long. And, um, like even here, I, while I'm in New York now, I don't get to grab a barbell and I don't pick a, pick a, pick up a sledgehammer, but like I have a 17 hour workday today and I was super pissed that they took 90 minutes out of it for me to miss my workout. You're like, that's your, your day plan. Um plan um so that do work go out there and do work be productive be a contributor be a good citizen be like whatever that is for you be a drummer be a comic be a be a something right and have that have that purpose yeah you have that volume of work where at the end of the day like

we're built for it like we're physically built to go out and do stuff do something and when you don't do that that's lots of unhealthy i mean that's how even guys when you're like you know you've put even when like you get in phases where dudes are just like so like girl crazy or whatever it's like they had to you had to replace your like purpose somewhere you know what i mean it's not a healthy place for it to be yeah or maybe for a bit but not definitely not as you like get older forever right yeah um the like recovery part if you're gonna go out and do work you know like the sleep spirituality um you're like what spirituality what do you do i do whatever what do you do for me i'm christian okay like but i but i like all of the gamut you know like i said i'm a freedom first guy like the freedom of religion you know like we have a uh one of my companies called sheepdog response and we have a um we

teach places of worship how to like protect themselves like synagogues that are being attacked you know or a mosque or church like i don't care like welcome to america you can do whatever you want like well that's the point of freedom um but i want you to do it safely so like here's how you do it. So whatever that is and that recovery and one of these other pillars is making sure that your spirit and your body is getting that time to recover. And when do you do that? Sundays? It's all the time.

Oh, okay. It's like sleeping and stuff. Yeah. Well, I know I don't mean when you sleep Sundays. I mean the spirituality part. Yeah. Some people meditate, some people do yoga, some people exercise. Like my recovery has like a whole bunch of,

of those things interfused in it. Like I love ass ice baths. I'm not like the crazy Wim Hof guy. How many ice baths do you do a week? Um, I do a couple if I can. It's, it's a time thing. Everyone was always, there was a moment where everyone was pushing ice baths and I was like, yeah, I'm not gonna be doing it. I mean, It was really good. There's this kind of spa thing in Brooklyn that I went with my girlfriend and they had a cold, not even an ice bath, it was a cold pool,

but it was like 50, 40 degrees. That's a great temperature. Honestly, we were so hungover from the pre- I went in there for one minute and I was like, million bucks. It was over. It was over.

The whole thing, I mean, I didn't know. It was miserable. For a minute, but then it gets out. Yeah, I get out. But it was over it was over like the the whole thing i mean i didn't know it was miserable on you oh for a minute but then it gets out yeah yeah i get out and then but it was like i've done polar bear club amazing yeah it's it's a me it's it is incredible yeah yeah that is true when i went into the duck we dug the hole in the like the ice and then jumped in there it was fun and it was it is cool because you jump in and then you're, you could walk, you literally just have like, you know,

you're like swim trunks on and you're in the freezing cold and you're not even the slightest bit cold. Yeah. So it does kind of get you jazzed up. It's fun. I like it. The, and saunas,

fun, cryotherapy, fun. You know, I like yoga, like obviously exercise. Those are all like. It helps with all this sex stuff you've been talking about all good recovery is there a section in the book on the laying it

down no tim ferris did do that remember he released the four-hour body and there was like there was like a hundred pages on like sex positions and stuff it's important like it's part of being human yeah you know like uh like back back to like the total man thing like we could talk about these things in like america you know when you travel a lot um you know europe cares way less oh france they're talking about it at the nine years old yeah they don't care you know and uh but then here's like i don't know like like you're gonna we a lot of time yeah you're a lot nobody cares like you you guys you. Whatever makes you happy. Yeah, yeah.

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where we kind of went more in depth about it. We were like, you know, I think there's a few parts where he was like, yeah, I tortured the guy, and we're like, oh, that's crazy. And he was just like, actually, torture sick yeah we were like yeah you uh probably can't uh you don't sleep well because of that he goes no if anything i sleep better now i sleep like a baby and we're like knowing that the country's protected or when i asked him i was like what about people like tulsi gabbard that like disagree with you and he's like she's one of my best friends because i had dinner with her last night i guess that's like when people say that like corinne or something like yeah yeah but it was i was

thinking about that a lot like after we did it kind of being like i don't know it's so weird i guess it's when you find out that like you know george bush and like fucking michelle obama go to like fucking lunch together and you're like yeah it was like, you know, two athletes who play on like rival teams and you go, they're actually best friends in real life. Yeah, well that one I kind of get more. I guess it's when you're, it's when you see like Conor McGregor,

when you see like the two fighters, that was one that like I didn't like as much when I saw Conor McGregor and Floyd Mayweather were doing these press conferences then you found out they were taking planes together. Yeah, yeah. That to me felt like a little... It's all a to me felt like a little it's all a work ryan i know it's politics politics is all the work yeah but i don't i don't know to me i i don't think what i do is a

work like i think i kind of you know i don't think we're working people no but like we're not in that game conor mcgregor and floyd get it down there and they straight up are like this guy's a piece of shit the biggest loser i wouldn't want to fucking eat dinner with this guy and then they're go back to their plane together it's like a little strange i don't know something but anyways we're trying to bring the best on the boys cast ryan was ryan was devastated when he saw a photo of the undertaker and kane together he goes what's going on I am a little bit. He's not dead. You're right.

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