The Boyscast with Ryan Long - MARTIN SHKRELI ON JAIL, THE MEDIA, TRUMP, CRYPTO & COVID

Episode Date: July 19, 2022

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boys welcome to the boys cast uh bringing you the best interviews in the game in the game the tightest we have the best interviews they got the best interviews and then we do a biden version of come on man these are the best interviews man and now do jordan petersen oh it's best interview i can't, you literally... You know what? I can honestly sometimes do it and sometimes not. It was like renowned where everyone was like, I didn't know Danny was this impressionist. Oh, it's like, no, we have the best interviews, okay?

Okay, that's pretty good. That's a sum of it. I'm a fucking... Who do you think I am? I can't just fucking be banging these different impressions. They were good. Well, we got Martin Shkreli, and we had to make it happen

through a friend of a friend because he's barely doing any so he wouldn't he can't come in the studio and he explains why so that's the reason I mean you can guess why yeah

use your imagination well we said we're only doing inner Pearson stuff but we also said like if there was some real reason why someone there's the only way to do it

look if the fucking Pope wants to be on the boys cast we're going zoom them in from the goddamn fucking vatican okay okay not using bonus episode every week at patreon.com slash the boys cast martin screlly's tell all yeah this is a fucking banger interview yeah we did go through all this stuff this is honestly this is gonna be an epic one it's we went through all this stuff yeah Honestly, this is going to be an epic one. We went through all this stuff. Yeah. Okay. Martin Scrowley on the boys cast.

The Scrowlman. Scrowlman. Fourth. Fourth. Hey, what's up, Martin? Hey, what's going on? Yo. And so you're not really supposed to be doing interviews?

Is that kind of the idea? Yeah. I just can't go to a... I can't go anywhere go to a i can't go anywhere unauthorized yeah oh so if you were going to come to the studio you'd have to get like written permission and that's a whole debacle you got it they get you on lockdown eh quite literally yeah they're like very they're very like dense if they're like if you're like oh yeah i want to go uh go on go to a podcast and be like how is that going to further your you know uh your uh correctional like goals and aims yeah so you

want to save those for something important like yeah i got a i got a threesome in north carolina that i got to attend to they're very specific about what's allowed and either us to go into the category, gym, uh, laundry, job interview, uh, drug, alcohol counseling.

That's about it. And how long for, uh, September I'm, I'm sort of free. Oh, that's not bad. Well, the,

one of the things, I don't know if you know this, but like, uh, I've told you, but me and danny have had we we used to have an office in toronto and our friends are the guys who made your documentary oh so so obviously you know like haji and i don't know if you know cory shaffer

like those guys but well he was editing it so me and danny had a like a you know an office in adelaide in toronto and the room beside us, it was nonstop you for like a year and a half, dude, we would, dude, so it would be like, look like a crazy person, like, you know, just every, you know, how they make documentaries. Right. So then we'd come in at, you know, sometimes 4am or whatever, if you drop by the studio, you know, our body would just be there, like going through your live streams and, you know, it was crazy. Right. So I feel like we were kind of pretty immersed in it so that's and then i've watched the documentary obviously so i'm like kind of thinking like what did you think uh how what did

you think of it first of all oh i didn't watch it you've never seen you're not gonna watch it no i'm not gonna watch it i mean like all the any news about me i don't watch because like i already know the news about me so So I don't need to watch it again. Our boy literally watched every live stream you've ever done. It's pretty crazy. Yeah, he goes, he's like, I've watched every single minute of every live stream you've ever done.

Yeah. You just don't get involved with any of the negative press right now? Positive or negative. There's no reason to engage in that you know i mean i read the news for the same reason everybody else reads the news to get information so for me it's like yeah i i don't need more clarity on what i did yesterday or like you know what me you know yeah i got that covered with nfts i say you're busy with i was looking at the nfts you were talking about last night or whatever the uh those like weird cartoon ones oh my god they're

super woke they're like these super woke cartoons oh those no those are different yeah the m'ladies yeah the m'ladies what's m'ladies they're like the cringiest nfts okay so not only are they the cringiest nft but they're also racist anti-semitic and uh some other bad thing oh yes uh grooming pedophilia thing so yeah but they're all under the guise that like they're the most woke right but they went so far left that they came like all the way around almost that's the m'ladies are you talking about the other one yeah yeah i mean i'm so confused by it all but like yeah like they're all like dismantling the patriarchy like there's no there should be no like legal age of consent because all right it's like not but it's like not like protecting

anybody it's uh it's all like you know i don't think there's i actually don't think there's like an explicit because i wouldn't want to support something, any of those things that I just mentioned. I thought you were ironically supporting them. No. So yes. I don't even know. This stuff is so meta.

It's layers and layers and layers of this stuff. So there's nothing overtly negative about it. Unlike the Bored Apes, which I didn't want to talk about, which seemed to have accidentally copied their logo from a Nazi logo. Yeah, that was a big scandal. Yeah, nobody bothered to tell them, like, hey, bro, that's, yeah, no, it's not good. I would tell you about a crazy tattoo I saw in jail as well, but that was sort of similar but yeah like the milady's are like very innocuous i think but like in general in that nft world which is one of the weirdest places and things i've ever seen and being from new york and being having gone to jail like i've seen a lot like there's nothing

bad about it it's just like this almost like a publicity stunt on their part to like create drama and notoriety like i think they i think they actually were the ones that like started that narrative or there's a narrative i guess probably nobody started this thing there's a narrative that there's some weird like again i don't know what it is whether it's racism or what but like i think it mostly they did it themselves to try to keep it sort of relevant because most NFTs just sort of die out. Nobody cares. It's like controversy sells, I guess.

I don't know. Oh, yeah. Were you allowed to trade stocks when you're in jail or how does that work? Yeah, you can't ever be banned from trading stocks or I would probably be banned from trading stocks. Whatever bad thing they could do to me, they do to me. You were sort of one of the original guys getting deplatformed from everything right yeah yeah yeah it's funny because twitch was one of the first and most vehement like anti-screlly things and now i'm twitching every day and i'm lucky because

they seem to have this like unwritten five-year rule of like all right five years go by it's cool twitter does not have that policy i'm on twitter Twitter. I got Twitter life sentence. Yeah, I know. Right. And was Facebook too? No, Facebook, Facebook. Okay. So the main one was Twitter that you were OG band. What about Instagram? Well, the other Instagram I'm good too. You know, the other one that's really funny is the dating apps, which, which I was literally good at. That was one of the things I was wondering. Well, because you must have impersonators on there though. Right. I guess, but like I verified my account and stuff. Like it's just. Like I know like so many, I don't know if like you've seen this,

you probably do, but like we know girls who like, I'll know a girl in like Toronto, she has an OnlyFans. And because she gets so impersonated, she can't have any dating because they just assume she's impersonating herself. Well, Danny's old Tinder profile is Bill Cosby. Remember that? For a week.

I got a lot of matches on that it'd be good to make like some something that isn't owned i'm sure you guys know this but like match the match group owns every one of these apps except for bumble and bumble was just like a wannabe match so like they have a dating monopoly i mean if you want to meet somebody online you have to pay match somehow um so it'd be really great to that company over i just got banned from lyft uh 10 minutes ago open the car again yeah apparently you got to wear pants i thought a shirt would be enough but no it was i i guess i i got like banned a couple times like for not wearing masks and stuff

and then this time i just got out of a lift on the way to the studio and said, your account's been deactivated of too many things. I go, I didn't even do anything. Guys didn't even like the cut of my jib. Yeah. And you give them so much money.

I'm the Trump of lift. I need truth lift. I need truth dating. I did go. So you are banned from the apps though yeah yeah i'm banned from all the dating apps but um how do you how do you get banned what were you doing that gets you banned from the apps nothing like you said they said we don't want this guy on there he must get reported like dude he goes on yeah exactly they're reporting him like en masse like chicks are like i don't support this guy i'm just you

know he's too toxic and and you know it's funny because i get like a ton of i mean i don't know how to say this without sounding like a douchebag but like i got a lot of interest from women and the pussies rolling in on the bad guy like so flowing downhill i mean charles manson was getting you know i'm not saying you i'm just saying like i think that the the worse you are the more pussy you get you're famous dude that's just general rule yeah like i don't know like in new york i don't feel like i'm hated but you know like people don't really say anything or do anything so they didn't before and they certainly i mean everything time kind of heals anything, right? Time heals a little bit, but even back like before I went to prison,

it was, it was cool. Like, I mean, it's mostly dudes and like finance bros who are like, yeah, man, I love what you do, blah, blah, blah. But like even chicks are like the bad boy. I mean, we all know that. And sending you nudes in prison. Oh yeah. You got to take them with you when you leave no that's actually a strategic question so i had two issues where i had to take my like like folder of photos and like give them

to other prisoners and be like guard this with your life and i give it to them and i see them two weeks later i'm like so you still have those and he's like no what huh what i mean they're fucking glazed over but that sucks why is the rule that you can't bring that stuff out with you if it's like a personal item like that question you kind of can i guess but um it's the guards want them yeah exactly yeah you have to sort of inspect your shit um i don't know but like you kind of like i i mailed out like 50 boxes of my crap uh home so like that's not something that's like a priority to like you know send home yeah you figured there'll be lots of uh waiting for you yeah so i mean but yeah the dating thing is really annoying i tried truth social it seemed like really useless. It's the worst app.

I don't know why. I'm sure the app actually works fine. It's just that who would go on there? I mean, there's only one feature of it, which is that Donald Trump's on there. That's it. Right, right. There's nothing else that it offers. Yeah, why bother?

And even that is of extremely questionable value. I mean, it's just all people that agree with each other. If there are people on there flaming him, that would of extremely questionable value. Like, I mean, you know, it's just all people that like agree with each other. If there are people on there flaming him, that would kind of be cool. There was a few people that kind of crossed the pickup line. Open an account on there just so he could kind of get on the action. Yeah.

Like you'd be the only one like, you know, talking shit. So it kind of would be a little unique to do that. And then you can, I guess what you do is you take that and then you take a screenshot and then you bring it back to the normal things. Like,

look, I'm arguing with Trump and that sort of the thing. Right. Yeah. I feel engaged. I mean, sure. But I guess he like quit the company or quit the board or something.

So I don't know what he's actually doing, but do you think Elon Musk is going to buy Twitter? You think that's what deals going through? I mean, obviously the risk of it is pretty low at this point, but i also think like he's if it were me like this is exactly what i would do just to like get a little better negotiating power um because it's like you know they're probably sitting there telling him listen you have to do this you have a deal you have to do this deal and he's sitting there saying no i don't you sue me you know by the time the lawsuit's done

it's gonna be three years go ahead make me do it and they're like you know don't you sue me you know by the time the lawsuit's done it's gonna be three years go ahead make me do it and they're like you know his his deal of course is he wants a lower price um and possibly just doesn't want it at all we don't know but the tech market collapsed as soon as he bought the company is like yeah but you know you just kind of stepped in shit for yeah what are the odds in the first time in whatever 12 years or whatever it is yeah so like you know give me give me a couple bucks you know and i'm sure they're willing to give him a couple bucks. He probably wants like 20 bucks off. And they're like, no, you have to do it.

And he's like, no, I don't. You know, three years later, like, you guys are going to forget about this and we're just going to not worry about it. He's saying I'll push this forever. Yeah, I mean, that's what I would say. I mean, I wouldn't want to be known as somebody who makes an offer and then takes it back. But like, you know, which is really a no, you know, that's kind of a thing you just don't do in the deal world. But, you know, XRNA circumstances to some extent, you know, permits them to sort of do that. And, you know, if they're not willing to renegotiate the deal, then fuck it, you know.

If they're not willing to renegotiate the deal, then fuck it. Eat this lawsuit for three years, and that will be much cheaper than me buying a company for $44 billion. I mean, it would cost me a couple million to defend the lawsuit. That's not a big deal. So I think he's playing it smart. And during those three years or even the next three months, he can kind of be like, listen, guys, do we really need to go through this lawsuit? Let's just do this at $40. And they might just be like,

you know what? You're right. I don't want to, you know, the ground for the next 10 years. I think it'd be cool if he bought, you know, like if he, I mean,

you'll be back on personal interest. Weren't you, you were kind of one of the original game, the, the wall street bets guys. Weren't you kind of in there pretty early? Yeah. Did you have game stop?

No, I didn't. But, uh, I was early in wall street bets because there is a reddit subreddit for investing it's like r slash investing it's really dry and boring people are like how does a mortgage work you know stuff like that and then i went to this place and it was like just like true idiots like it was great um it's like people just i don't know it's like they literally checked their brain at the door before entering and um which is you know like wall street's a lot like poker like you kind of want to see what the idiots you want to play at a table of idiots right like as fun as it might be to play with phil ivy like it's gonna cost you a lot of money to sit at that table oh so you're like i could could just tear this, just fucking fade these guys.

Classic poker thing. If you don't know who the sucker is at the table, it's you. Yeah. So it's like, what would you do now? I lost, I lost tons of money and I lost 60 grand on his, one of his investments. It might've been 80. What would you do now? If you're, yeah. You know, after everything's crashing, do you think anything's coming back like soon or where you think the economy is at? Who knows? Right. I mean, the problem is that it's if you could freeze time right now, we could probably figure it out. But the problem is, by the time you figure it out, something new has happened, like new inflation number.

Biden does something crazy or Russia does something crazy or, you know, the world has so many moving parts that there's no way for anybody, in my opinion, to really sit there and figure it out. The best you could hope for, I think, is you like you like one specific company, like one specific company I like, which is really funny. You're going to laugh when you hear it is Roblox, the kids game. Yeah. Yeah. So this thing is like crack cocaine, the fucking five-year-olds. It's like... They basically beg their parents, like, Mommy, I want Robux. Robux are the money that they have in this game to buy fake shit. And your kid is

begging you for a hundred Robux or a hundred dollars of Robux so they can buy a fake cat or a fake dollhouse or something. And it's like a metaverse, basically. And kids are so obsessed with it. It's such a weird thing. what's it down from its peak oh a lot yeah it's uh 90 80 kind of thing uh yeah just about i mean not quite that bad but pretty bad and like they make a lot of money like

you know like i said every kid in the world plays the stupid game and they're addicted to it it's like the most insane thing i've ever seen. Like every, I mean, I don't know. You would take big bets on, on single companies that you believe. Yeah. I mean, I think that's the way to go if you're going to be a professional. I think if you're not going to be a professional, like you're better off not doing it. Like I would joke with people.

Like if you could sign up outside of Madison square garden to play the Knicks tonight and bet your house on it, would you do it? No, you wouldn't. You'd probably lose to the New York Knicks professional basketball team, right? The three of us don't stand a chance, for instance, against the Knicks. Three on three, half court, maybe. Maybe. I don't know.

No, we don't. Even as bad as they are now. Yeah. So like why would you want to do that in the stock market like you're basically like signing up to trade against some quantitative hedge fund like a computer hedge fund that just like has a supercomputer that's like constantly like like yeah you know that's taking your money then you know it was doing that and then you've got like okay so that's the one poker player the next poker player is like somebody like carl icon or steve cohen that's like master of the universe like you know trying hiring hundreds of people to fuck you over and like you know so how are you going to beat a poker game with those guys like

it's you know it's really dumb like but people want to do it because you actually can't sign up to play the knicks if i could sign up to play the knicks for 50 bucks i would you know it'd be fun but get my ass not for everything you're on right and in the market you get to pick how much money up to play the Knicks. If I could sign up to play the Knicks for 50 bucks, I would. It'd be fun. Not for everything you own. Right. And in the market, you get to pick how much money you want to lose, and you get to pick how you lose it. And people are cool with that. How much of your money did you have to give the government after this whole debacle? It's really interesting. Was it a huge portion or not really that big of a dent?

It's both. It's a huge portion or not really that big of a dent it's both uh so it's a really funny scenario so i paid eight million in cash just automatic so that i had to pay in full so i did that and that was not a huge debt then so that was the criminal case then i got it's a really funny story actually i got sued uh it's not that funny it's funny when Then I got, it's a really funny story, actually. I got sued. It's not that funny. It's funny when you look back at it 20 years from now, you'll be like that. Hopefully, yeah. So I got sued by the government.

I'm actually the first person in the history of America, it's really surprising, to be sued as a monopolist. And that sounds surprising because there's Bill Gates, Rockefeller. Rockefeller was like, wasn't he? Yeah, he was like 1% of the entire GDP. Yeah. So they made the Sherman Act, which you learn about in high school, to stop basically just to stop Rockefeller.

And people like him, Vanderbilt, Carnegie, et cetera, the old robber barons of the old days. But it applies to Microsoft and all the other monopolists, AT&T, IBM. But especially recently, Zuckerberg, who owns WhatsApp, Facebook, and Instagram, right? And like, he'd buy Snapchat if he could. And the Oculus, right? They've had like antitrust issues,

but they never got sued. Well, no, they got sued. So the FTC sued them. But you're the first one. So when the FTC sues you for monopoly, for monopolism, is that the word? For engaging in monopoly. Monopolistic practices. Exactly.

They sue the company because a person isn't a monopolist. The company is a monopolist. Oh, you were the first person. I got you. I'm the first human being to ever be sued as a monopolist. And it doesn't make a lot of sense. But you were monopolizing internet attention? Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I'm monopolizing something. News stories.

Yeah. Yeah. But it's just so funny because that is blatantly against what the law says. Because a person, to be a monopolist, you have to be in the business of trade. When you buy windows, you don't buy it from Bill Gates. You buy it from Microsoft. What was their argument of how you were a single person monopolist? It was the

FTC's crazy opinion. And I would normally disparage the... You're not going to get in the business of talking shit about the FCC and your current... No, no, the FCC can suck my dick. It's the esteemed jurist,

Your Honor, who I will not say anything bad about. Okay. You don't want to hurt Hillary Clinton's hair scenario. Yeah. But one of my friends who were my nameless uh said that uh she he basically looked at her looked at her profile looked at recent cases he said Martin your judge is Judge Karen you're gonna lose like this

yeah you're done like you know she's like you know so this hasn't happened yet no no I lost the case and um so that one you lost a good amount of money. Oh, basically, in essence, it's virtually everything. So the funny thing, though, is it's such a wild case. Like, it's almost certain to be appealed and reversed, according to my attorneys. They basically, like, if you read the case, I won't get into it, but, like, I can't be a monopolist. I don't buy and sell you medicine. Like, you're not going to see me at Duane Reade being like, hey, does anybody want to buy these pills?

Like, it doesn't work that way. And that's why I'm the first guy ever, because, you know, it's never been done before because it can't be done. Like, they would have done it before on Bill Gates or Mark Zuckerberg if they could. So they kind of sometimes these government entities take a chance. Like, they kind of try to, like, out a a case and see if it sticks and if it does then we'll do 20 more well you'd be the precedent and then it precedents that in case right so like they're begging and pleading that this case is going to stick and they pick like the worst guy for it's kind of like expand the law for and we're going to beat it. And it's, it's going to be hopefully quite trivial, even if I don't beat it. Um, usually you don't have to pay anything as an individual

executive regardless, but yeah, they tagged me for 65 million bucks, which is quite a lot. And, uh, it's almost like Danny's gave you a stock pick. Do you think, uh, do you think like Zuckerberg is almost like rooting for you to win this? Cause if, if you lose, like, are they just like, he's up next? It's so funny you say that.

Cause like, we're now canvassing for these like amicus or Amici friend of the court briefs of like various companies and organizations that are like, all right, if this goes through, then every executive in corporate America doesn't want to have that job because you can be sued personally. Why would anybody want that?

Too much liability. That's the whole purpose of starting a corporation, I guess. It's sort of a dumb lawsuit and it was a dumb decision, in my opinion, even though the judge is very esteemed, respected, and highly credentialed. This judge is the man, yeah. Is this federal? This female judge is the female man.

It's still the man. Whatever. Yes, it was a federal law case. So anyway, it is what it is. We'll appeal. We'll see what happens. I have a lot of confidence. I mean, technically,

the company is going to pay a good chunk of it. So if worse came to worse, I might have to pay $20 or $30 million, which would be certainly a setback. But at the end of the day, you know, I've also discovered anything. Jill helps you a little bit here, but I discovered it beforehand that like really rich people don't have much of a different life from everybody else. Like it's I've never changed anything, no matter how much money I have.

Yeah, it doesn't like the people that change things I think are the most like sad. Um, like they, they think they're having a lot of fun, right. But like, they're the people that are like just going ham and like trying to find fun, just like, instead of actually enjoying who they are. And like, I've never had that problem either. Like I was just reminded of an old executive of mine who had an apartment um 10 times more expensive and bigger than mine and like he would always be drinking partying taking private jets helicopters hamptons whatever and it's like dude like who's the rich guy me or you you work for me you know yeah like 100 times richer than you like but you act like you're bill gates like it's crazy yeah and also like that

could change in a dime because i'm sure like you know usually the more you spend the faster it changes too so it's sort of uh you know just funny to see that and like you know for me like i the things i love are pretty lame like i love my cat i love like microsoft excel i love programming like it's all geeky i mean i love i've watched a bunch of your lives your youtube lives and he's this's cranking on Excel. He's so fast. What do you do on Excel? I do what every Wall Street guy does, plug and chug numbers and forecast. I like boobs and stuff, too. You're essentially just the research that you would normally do just by yourself.

You're just live streaming so people can kind of just see under the hood, right? That's pretty boring. I think it's funny because I was like, I was watching like some, two chicks in bikinis yesterday and they had like 5,000 times the followers I had. And I was like, man, what am I doing wrong? It's really frustrating.

But you know, it turns out that, you know, financial formulas aren't the most exciting thing in the world. Were there any other rich guys? Were you in a jail with lots of rich guys? Or was it all? And were you in general population? Yeah. with lots of rich guys? No.

Were you in general population? Yeah. All of the guys I was in with were basically drug dealers. Did you have to pick your race pretty early on? That's an interesting question. Was there any of that? Yeah. My first date at this prison called Fort Dix, this guy named Glass comes up to me. They call him Fort Dix for a reason.

That's on the reason. Well, Glass shows up and Glass is from like West Virginia. He's a meth dealer slash meth head. He's like, hey, Scrawly. I'm like, yeah? And he's like, I got a pack of wolves

ready to go at all times. You gonna join up? And I was like, no. Can I not? Yeah, is no an option? black wolves ready to go at all times you're gonna join up and i was like no can i not yeah it's not is no an option right well that's the funny thing i was like he was like i was like sort of like engaging him and this isn't a person you should engage so uh i was like well you know like i don't know what's so what's wrong with like black people like my whole room is black guys like we're all friends oh you're saying that yeah and you're like, yo, I'm co-owner of the Wu-Tang clan, dude. Yeah, exactly.

And, and he was like, let me tell you something about prison. Y'all need to understand something. When she hits the fan, there's only three colors, black, brown, and us. I thought you were gonna say blue uh i was just like listen man i'm gonna take my chances with my roommates i think i'm uh i'm okay here right so you mostly you hung out with black dudes in prison that was kind of the school all over i mean everybody but the point is like you had that racism of like you know he never bugged you again he never came back and he was like it's funny

because i saw him i saw him all the time and he had like a couple goons with him they were like and i was like um like i don't know what do you even mean like would you want me to like do yeah do i have to do stuff i'm kind of i'm pretty high profile i might not be the guy to do your job some spreadsheets like yeah you become the accountant for the fucking white supremacist you're like i'll make you a deal i'll do you i'll do the clans accounting oh i actually did do a little accounting for a bloods group um a cfo associate cfo for come on interim cfo yeah interimim, yeah. You don't want to... Like cigarette accounting on commissary and stuff? I would just advise on...

I wouldn't keep ledgers and books, but yeah, I would advise. We'd have meetings in my room, and I would just scoot my chair in. It'd be like... Turn it around backwards. Yeah, Scrawly's with us. And it was this funny group,

which is now defunct, called the Mac Ballers. And there were like 10 Mac Ballers in my room, so I was like, fuck it. Oh, you were in a big room with all the people? Yeah. Well, it actually wasn't that big. It wasn't like a hangar because I was in a prison that was more like a hangar. This was a 12-man room.

That sucks. Yeah. It's not as bad as you might think. It's six bunk beds. It's like summer camp. Is that eventually it feels a six six bunk beds it's like summer camp is that eventually it feels like camp it actually is totally like summer camp for thugs it's it's and those guys and they all and those guys liked you was there anyone who ever had a specific bone to pick no uh i mean he bought the wu-tang album well that doesn't hurt but like

i think the biggest thing is being anti-government. Like everybody in there is like super anti-government. So right. You were like, they see you as wronged by the government. And they've seen me as ant. Like when I did the whole Congress thing, they're like, man,

we all wish we could go to Congress and be like, you know, this and that. And, you know, that's what every, like literally every prisoner and criminals dream is to like, say whatever he wants to the judge or say whatever he wants to the senator or the D.A. or the A.U.S.A. or whatever.

And like they can't really. But and they know enough not to do that. Right. But they also know, you know, that they'd love to do it if they could. I've met a few people who have done that and like they get twice the, they'll get twice the jail time. Like if you tell a judge, like, you know, you're, you know, your honor with all due respect, you know, uh, your, your decision was wrong and you're an idiot and you know, you shouldn't have done this and blah, blah, blah. I I'm, I'm sick of this courtroom and this is a disgrace. This is kangaroo court.

Like you'll get 20 years instead of 10. I mean, it kind of messed up. If you think about it, there's not much like discretion in it. Yeah. Like the judge has a bad day or you, you know, you remind them of their like ex-husband or ex-wife and they go,

fuck you. Like just totally like, it's funny because I got, I drew what a lot of people say was a really good judge. And I think that's true. And I got seven years, but there are other judges that are giving me 20 25 in a heartbeat and like it's chilling to say because it's almost like you can't even believe it but we got a lucky draw of the nicest judge in the whole courthouse and like there were 20 other judges like a murderer's row of judges

who are like gonna be like yeah let's let's know, let's prove that this prick isn't bigger than the government or bigger than the law. So that's why everyone always pleads out a lot of times too, right? Definitely. I mean, that's the other funny thing is that if you even go to trial, which is your constitutional right, that's held against you. And it's like, you know, most people can't afford it. Yeah. I mean, if you want to do it, you're going to get a, you know, a lawyer that's held against you. Yeah. And it's like, you know, most people can't afford it. Yeah. I mean, if you want to do it, you're going to get a,

you know, a lawyer that's appointed to you, which actually some of those lawyers are actually fantastic. What's funny though, what's difficult. It's not funny. It's sad. Is that so many of the prisoners and inmates don't have any kind of

understanding of like, this is a professional person who's trying to help you there. There's always this conspiratorial thing of like, Oh, well, they're working for the government and you know, they're going to screw me anyway. And, you know, ultimately. Or they just, yeah. Some of them, I can obviously see you go, he, you, you're like, he doesn't know the details of your case. You're like, Oh, you give zero shits. I'm being, this is a train train something.

What do you call it? Railroad. I'm getting railroaded. Getting railroaded. Like you feel like feel like the government um first of all your life's falling apart anyway right like you just got raided by the fbi not in a good place yeah you may have been denied bail the one person who's trying to help you has got 18 other cases this is not going to really pay attention to your case that hard probably just going to tell you to plead out um this could be your fifth case like it's a very bad cycle of uh uh shitstorm but i did meet a lot of crazy people a lot of really funny people in prison like there are a lot of natural comedians i feel like there'd be a lot of funny people in that scenario well in fact like that's the major pastime in prison is we call it bidding so like we would just like i'd

go to like your guys's cell for instance and i just like fucking open a bag of popcorn and just talk to you for three hours telling war stories about like um crime or anything everyone's just talking shit all day long all day long and we should let them do podcasts there are i my understanding yeah was there anyone with like illegal phones doing tiktok videos like you see doesn't that seem like you get caught so easily though you do and there is a podcast i think it's called i forgot what it's called but it might be the room number like our room number is like 318 or something and like that's very bait yeah so like room room xyz is uh there's a podcast out there right now that's a weekly podcast from prison um i mean all you need is any like basic smartphone and like the anchor app and you can straight up just like do it pretty

easy but don't they just come rate it and shut it down well they have to well the thing is like you gotta figure it out they're gonna figure it out and we're like with the tick tocks that's way more bait because like i would see tick tocks where it's like some guys in his cell and you go like you're showing your face but if it's just audio that would be a hard thing to pinpoint where this audio, like there's a really popular- Well, there's his name after the room number. So that makes it really easy.

Well, I'm saying, or whatever. I'm sure that room number exists in prisons all over though. Like that specific thing, right? It'd still be so hard to, unless they're just giving away all that info. Yeah, I kind of want to do a call-in show and be like, any prisoners out there, call in. I do a call-in show.

I have to do one. Yeah, get the prisoners to call in and yeah because there well the i guess there's like a lot of people in there that yeah that were you know musicians or you know trying to be in entertainment or something like that right like there's got to be like a ton of rappers right everybody's a rapper everybody yeah i I can imagine. There's one guy, Bo Cash. Bo Cash came. I was in MDC for a layover. And Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn.

It's a high security, maximum security jail. It's not a prison. Is that where Ghislaine Maxwell was? She was either there or MCC. I think she was. Yeah, she was MDC. That's right. Yeah, I think she was there. Yep. So there's only she was, yeah, she was MDC. That's right.

Okay. Yeah. I think she was there. Yep. So there's only two jails, federal prisons in New York. There's MCC in Brooklyn. That's where Epstein died. And then there's MDC where I think R. Kelly and Ghislaine and other, I was there. Would he be in general population? That's a tough one. Yeah, I think so. I thought it was just like, if you're famous, you don't go to that.

No. Where are you supposed to go? It takes a lot to be segregated into protective custody. Mainly pedophile stuff, is that? PC. So it's funny. I went to PC for a few months, not voluntarily. And I was really upset because like- it's boring. It's very boring.

GP is actually kind of fun. And it's like a party. It's like a weird party. It's not a party you want to be at. Don't get me wrong. But like you got to put yourself in the prisoner's mind state. Like your goal is to make jail as entertaining and fun as possible. Yeah. When you put, when you put your mind to something, you can do it. And so like these guys find a way and i say these guys i'm firmly including myself find a way to like keep this thing as exciting and interesting as possible and sometimes that'll include a little violence but nothing heavy it often will include like a lot of like jawboning like people just you

know talking shit yelling planning but like at the end of the day everybody hugs hugs it out. I mean, sometimes they don't, but you know, generally speaking, it's the least you never had to fight. It wasn't like a media fight. Like I was starving for action at one point or another. I was just like, this is fucking retarded. Cause like, I would see some big guy like, uh, what the hell is that dude's name? Um, I'm trying to remember a couple of actual people, but Big Re. Big Re would just always talk shit and always like huff and puff.

And he was huge. Like a scary guy. But he's pretty fat, you know, but still like, you know, gigantic guy. And Big Re would always walk around the hallways and like just yell at people. Like, man, you're this or that. And one guy was who was new was like oh shit what's gonna happen here i was like just watch right now like uh somebody eventually was like shut the fuck up you know and he was like my bad yeah it was just such

like a you know like such a weird environment where like nobody actually wants to fight because you end up going to the hole you end up losing right that's huge yeah and oz they're fighting every two seconds there's no guy without a bc with the small hat well it's funny because there's there's four levels to this prison thing so there's the camps which i unfortunately didn't go get to go to that's what you're talking about when you said like white collar prison and stuff like that i wish i could have gone there yeah you'd think that you'd be getting to go there. That's like where Conrad black went. Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

Is that because like you were so like a high profile, we're making an example of you were saying you're not, you're not going to the good prison. Pretty much. And yeah, it sucked. So I had to go to the low security, which is pretty like much very easy going in terms of the people there but it's just not great facilities like it's very still restricted but people aren't there for life for the most part you can't be actually so that's that's probably the biggest reason right like it's

is that the biggest separation if people are life they get wild yeah well you have nothing to lose if you're there for a medium uh so the mediums and the penitentiary and then there's actually a level above that which is called the adx that's where chapo ted kaczynski like the super max it's called the super max yeah yeah yeah uh you that's like you don't want to be there as indescribable like i've seen like i mean i've seen like the shows like on you know you see the shows where they're inside the supermax and they're like insane and everybody's like flooding their thing all the time and like it's just yeah yeah yeah we did a little of that too but anyway there's a lot of ways to fuck with the prison guards so they generally are actually really nice um we know yeah we know a guy who's like the booker for the stand for the comedy club he's just like that's his other great guy he actually met a couple there's a couple guys that he they

were he was their guard and uh then they always wanted to do comedy and they got out and started doing comedy and they work at his club now yeah that's awesome i mean that's that's actually what the goal of recidivism you know reduction is like i think you know i don't want to get a soapbox or be political about it but it does suck to go to prison like i'm gonna be good right like i'm wealthy and young and educated but like the guy who's plus he getting thrown at you the guy who's been the guys the guy who's been in prison eight times like what's he gonna do like you know there's nothing he knows other than than crime and it's just uh you know it sucks you know it's uh you know i taught a lot of guys how to read and write i taught a lot of guys math i taught a lot of guys

whatever i could teach them that's like a montage in a movie it is but like for me it was like really emotional too because it was like i couldn't fathom it. Like I come from Brooklyn. I don't come from wealth. My parents are immigrants, but like, I just couldn't even like, like even understand how there could be people that didn't know Python or didn't know, like, you know, didn't, didn't learn this or that math or whatever. And I was just like, this is crazy, you know?

And so many of those uh guys in prison are actually quite smart like in iq and knowledge of like nothing to do with each other right like you can tell they're like quick and stuff yeah they're real quick and and you're like man you could have been like uh you could have done whatever you wanted and half the time is it's a personality problem like they're like my first monkey was this crazy guy named marley he's this jamaican uh dude and like yeah i came to learn like a lot about marley and how like the amazing variety of crime that he's committed in his life is just like the longest rap sheet you can imagine and i was i was like discussing his case and stuff and i was like yeah man think you're going to get like 10 to 15 years. He's like, that's nothing, man.

I'm supposed to be dead already. I'm like, why? I got the mindset. Yeah. And he takes his shirt off and he shows me or lifts it up and he shows me like all these bullet wounds. And I'm like, what? He's like, yeah, me got in a gunfight, man. Two guy didn't make it.

I made it. And they indicted me on the bed. Oh, no. I made it. And they indicted me on the bed. Oh, no. With boobs in me. And I was like, God damn. And he would just tell me these crazy stories. And I'd be like, this guy just decided to take what we think of as an armada of life and just be like, no. I'm not doing literally any of that.

I'm going to make $50,000 a week selling heroin. He told me about he would go to a club and tip waitresses $1,000. And I was like, Marley, let me explain something. Like like the richest people don't do that like at all ever it's like me no man me no i i think like like for a lot of these guys like and and again this isn't there's no specific racial orientation it's like every hardcore criminal looks at and says instead of doing a 10-year normie life i'm gonna live a crazy awesome for that you know whatever yeah rockstar version yeah but like the scarface life for one year and i'm gonna have nine shitty years and it kind of is gonna average out to you doing your average show job for 10 years i mean it's more or less the same shit i'll have

the same amount of emotional input and highs and lows in that one here. Arguably better if I don't get caught, if I somehow don't, you know, get... Gambler's mindset too. It's a gambler's mindset, yeah. Which you must have a little bit of. It's hard to self-analyze, right? Like I think for me, definitely a little bit, you know, no doubt about that. I think we all do to some extent, but for certainly a little bit, you know, no doubt about that. I think we all do to some extent,

but for certainly a little bit more, I think I've, again, having gone through it, I certainly wouldn't go back and make a lot of the same choices. I was in a really unique position where, and again, I have this, a lot of these firsts, like I'm one of the first people to ever get charged for fraud that made everybody five times their money. So usually in fraud all the money's gone, right? It went somewhere Yeah, that was an interesting part of the doc. Well just yeah to go back to that doc I feel like they they didn't do you dirty. Like I feel like it was really fairly fair, but yeah, no I mean, that's what most people say. Um, well you spent two years with them, you know, I think that or whatever I don't think like that would be such a dirty move to go hard like you know like i don't think like normal people have that in them to be to be like that yeah no you're right like yeah so like having a fraud where like

you lose you make five times the money like a bunch of people are telling me like yeah can you defraud me next like you know how do i get out of this fraud like i want to make five times my money. And I'm like, yeah. It's funny because the guy who took the stand against me also... Oh, sorry. Someone's at our door for the first time literally ever. Yeah, cool. All right. We're back. Sorry about that.

No problem. I figured it was FBI checking in. They got a win. They got a win. There's three more. Yeah, sorry. No, it's all right. Yeah.

So like being in this weird circumstance where like my fraud actually made everybody money was another like, what the heck? You know, like, how does that even work? And it's funny because the guy who took the stand against me ended up having a company that lost everything for its investors. And it didn't exactly do everything kosher from what i'm told but you know he never got invited so it's just like you know pick on the person that is well known should make an example all that stuff and you just had a target on you they were just coming

after you with throwing the book essentially i also painted the target on my back yeah is that when you say i would have done stuff differently you're just like it's kind of like the you know whatever the old saying like the one who dances gets you know don't dance that's the one that gets uh sliced down or whatever right yeah would you have got much less time had you not like all the my lawyers said that i would never got indicted at all like it just wasn't worth what do you would you have got a fine or something yeah yeah probably something like that so your lawyer basically said he goes i've seen this before this is this would you have got a fine or something? Yeah. Yeah. Probably something like that. So your lawyer basically said, he goes, I've seen this before.

This is, this would, you never would have gone to jail. Yeah. Yeah. That's every lawyer said that, but it's cool. Like,

you know, at the end of the day, life throws you curve balls. Like, you know, there, I have a friend who has a very, very disease,

uh, called OI. And he's had 500 bones broken in his life. His bones are like, it's like Mr. Glass. Yeah. In fact, that's, it's the his life. His bones are like... It's like Mr. Glass. Mr. Glass, yeah. In fact, it's the same disease, yeah.

So, like, I have another friend who passed away while I was in prison at a young age. So, like, at the end of the day, like, you know, we still have, you know, so much to be thankful for. Again, I don't know if this case is going to prevail or not, but, like, you could take every dollar from me. Like, it wouldn't faze me that much of course i wouldn't be happy but you know it

wouldn't be like oh no you know my life is ruined or something like we all have great lives like we have our health um you know like the the kind of living you can have today versus 50 years ago with the amount of money is like so substantially better like it's it amazed me that when corona happened like instead of the world economy crashing like basically america just threw a big party and was like okay cool like we're just gonna stand at the same side and like nobody's gonna work and we're just gonna like wait this thing out it's like when in history could you ever do that you know weren't you trying to get out because of corona because i think you wasn't that you were like you wanted to be involved in helping

or what it wasn't yeah i mean i know how to make drugs i'm a farmer bro right i mean like that's my thing um and uh it would have been nice to to help make a medicine obviously pfizer and merc and all those companies did a good enough job so danny actually had a pretty good point that he was saying oh yeah like what do you think of like all the because you go on twitter and there's so many like people who like kind of hate you and then their bio is just like, House of Pfizer. Have you seen that? People will put that and they're like, you've never seen that? So there's generally

all super, super liberal people. Their vaccine, they'll be like, if they're Pfizer vaccine, it's like they wear a badge of honor. They go like, House of Pfizer. They'll be like the same people who shit on you. But they also shit on the drug companies for being, they don't, they're like loyal. It's switched. Yeah.

They're like Pfizer tattoos and stuff. Because it became like vaccine became like I'm left wing. I have the vaccine. I'm a pro vaccine person and I'm a Republican. So like, for me, it's like, or at least something of Republican, I'm not like some Trumper or something like that. So like, for me, it's like, or at least something of a Republican, I'm not like some Trumper or something like that. Or like, you know, we can talk politics if you want, but like, Yeah, we can in a second. Yeah. So like, I don't have a deep political allegiance, but like,

to me, the vaccine thing just makes sense. But yeah, I always thought that the left hated pharmaceutical companies for being rapacious greedy jerks and now they love them because it became or i guess you're telling you're saying they love them that's what happened yeah that's crazy yeah i mean yeah yeah i think i think it actually like what saddens me the most is like i always viewed the pharma industry and biotech as like an awesome industry that always got this bad rap and like it seems like no matter what it does it's always going to get a bad rap and i didn't help that cause very much but

um or you know for dude the sacklers didn't help it and you know yeah the sacklers aren't doing any favor what are the sacklers the fucking oxycon right yeah oh okay okay yeah they didn't they didn't do so great um i still get blamed for diabetes like insulin epipen like drugs i have nothing to do with i still get blamed for that all the time so i'm like biotech jesus like i'm dying for everybody's sins well a question by the way the drug the the the main one that was for the cat thing that's for the yes yes right know that yeah not many people know that that is we're like crazy cat ladies. Yes Yeah, Alex done. Yeah, you know, you know Alex Stein is

No, he's crazy. He's like loves cats, but he does those crazy Like he'll go to City Council meetings and he does these like raps and stuff He's like he got a whole thing Yesterday if you look at AOC's, oh man man sounds like i love a huge beef with aoc that's oh my god i heard about this yeah that's the guy but he's like he so what is the cat drug sleep for five cats on his bed and i tell him that he has toxoplasmosis and he says yeah there's a disease called toxoplasmosis which is that's the other funny part is it's very very very fucking rare and like everyone would be like screlly raised the price on drug that millions of people need to survive.

It was like millions of people need this thing to survive. Explain to me how, you know, only 2000 people take it. So it was just such a bizarre thing. Cause only 2000 people ever took our drug. And they're all crazy cat ladies. No.

So, so basically the cat is like the definitive host for toxoplasmosis, which is a parasite, which is hilarious. Cause like fucking cat, like the definitive host for toxoplasmosis, which is a parasite, which is hilarious. Cause like fucking cat, like, you know, um,

and, uh, toxoplasmosis affects people who have a compromised immune system. So mostly people with AIDS, these days, AIDS is very, very rare, right?

There's like 50 different antiretrovirals. So like, in fact, most people don't go from hiv days yeah no and and in fact having hiv today is like i say it's super normal it's very livable well they they recently if you're on like whatever the thing like you don't even have to disclose it legally anymore because it's you can't be transmitted yeah it's it's quite treated well it's very well treated now.

Like it's, I'm not going to say I would like it or that, but it's, it's a man. It's just not the, like people used to be like, Oh man, that'd be the biggest,

the worst thing ever. I mean, it was a death sentence at one point, right? Like 10 or 20 years from now, I bet you, or even 30 years from now, I bet you people are going to be like,

Oh man, I, you know, you know, I got chlamydia or I got gonorrhea. People are gonna be like, Oh man, I had my test. I'm HIV positive. It's crazy, man. Like, And your wife's like, that still means you're in fucking a guy. What's going on here? What do you think about monkeypox?

Um, I don't know a lot about it. Um, it's, so the funny thing about coronavirus is that for like decades, me and my Wall Street friends would short like every pandemic stock because there was always this fear of this, like the big one's coming, the big one's coming and it'd be like, ah, it's going to blow over. And, you know, so this happened. Did any of them get fucking torched? Well, H1N1, swine flu, like all these pandemic, big pandemics that were supposed to be bad, like they all died out even the former coronaviruses like mers and sars like those like mers and sars were like they went away so fast like 60 people died of mers so we're like oh man coronavirus is gonna be the same

shit like there's no way this thing is gonna transmit and take over the world like you know and of course that's exactly what happens um so i think nobody really saw this coming and nobody didn't nobody saw that mrna vaccines would work because that was like also voodoo uh in wall street and pharma like everyone was like mrna come on man you know was that really like before that that was just a pie in the sky kind of like it was a total joke like because dna and rna are so molecularly charged and unstable that you can't just take them like it just doesn't work that way and they kind of found a way to like wrap it in this fat and then also change one of the pieces of the rna it's kind of

a miracle that it works um and the funniest part of all is that it works better than any other possible thing which is like it's it stunning. It's like a modern miracle. And you still have people- You thought the vaccines were going to come some other way. Some other way. Yeah. I definitely didn't think mRNA was going to work. Because it never worked before. And people have tried to make DNA-based or RNA-based drugs for 50 years. And there had been a couple of small breakthroughss but not like a general purpose like this works now there's just so much money in it is that part of it no i think people just tried and tried and tried and failed failed it was just a tough mousetrap and nobody i mean now like once the pandemic happened like obviously like how did it line

up the amount of you know r d like going into this well didn't moderna apparently like when they got the sequencing for it like they had their essentially what was the vaccine like a week later that's the cool thing about dna and rna is it's so modular that you just change the code right so you just need a technique to get it inside the cell and most cells are like they're basically are this like repellent shield or like anything charged or anything big positive or negative charge or anything large it's not coming in and um that's been like the canon for decades and decades and that's why they all fail this is too big they're too bulky they're too positively charged and then all of a sudden this thing worked it's not going to work for everything but it's certainly um like these things go to the liver and the liver is like the garbage disposal, right? It just takes in everything. Like whatever your body, whatever

trash you ingest, like liver's like, bring it on, man. I got you. And it's just constantly metabolizing everything. So it's not a surprise that they can sneak a little bit of mRNA into the liver, but to get into the brain, to get into the lungs, to get into wherever, it's still going to be a challenge. So I think it's important technology. It's really cool. It's just frustrating to me as kind of like a pseudoscientist or a guy who was in the scientific, at least industry. Dan, you consider yourself a pseudoscientist? You should see what our comment section looks like. Any comment section.

Or any comment section. I actually have publications u.s patents world patents uh i've invented drugs i've run drug companies i know a little bit about this stuff but it's um the uh i still want to you know respect my really you know successful colleagues who are fantastic um but uh yeah like it saddens me to see like people like challenge this shit. Like, so you think that the people like, do you think that there was an in-between where it's, you know, sometimes it was being oversold when it wasn't and possibly, possibly I would say though, that the guy who's sitting there with his arms crossed being like, no, man,

not taking that shit. Like, dude, like when you're like like your toilet breaks down you don't fix it like you call a plumber i bet you you but i guess the argument is like the government doesn't say that you know if you don't come and fix your toilet we're putting you in jail or whatever i'm saying you that my name your neighbor's doesn't yeah yeah i imagine guys in jail could have been like that kind of guy. Couldn't have been too, because I feel like those,

the guys that don't like the government is usually my friends against the vaccine. What was the vaccine policy there? Like you can take it if you wanted, but not, not man. Well, yeah.

Or they're like, Hey, you can't take it. If you can't, just so you know, you can't fly. If you don't take it, it's funny.

You say that you're going to lose your job in the mail room i mean we're both from canada where like that was really happening up until recently you couldn't fly within canada if you weren't vaccinated like up until like a month ago as a libertarian i think that's crazy right like people have freedom they can't hold somebody down and inject them like unless it's like smallpox and people are literally dropping like flies in which case you probably want the shot at that point um but like i think that it's still sad to see people like deny expertise and like deny uh i think anything just gets politicized and then it's it's not if it's just about it's another thing on the right or the left side right it's sad like imagine having a kid and you go to

your pediatrician your pediatrician's like yeah listen uh mmr vaccine this day this vaccine that day this vaccine that day and you're like nope yeah went to school people people i guess people do do that with like i mean i did a stand-up show at the stand like three weeks ago with that guy alex stein and it was robert kennedy jr like our rfk jr has this like it's it's it's this charity that's like for helping kids but it's just like a straight just and they're an anti-vax like group and they're just like their thing is like we help kids but they're just like no vaccines for kids that's like how they help kids or whatever i mean they're out there you know when it to health, I guess people take it really personally. And obviously, I have like a bias. I'm pharmaceutical evangelist. But, you know, it is what it is. But the it's just, again, like, you don't open up a circuit board. And you're like, Alright, let me see. Let me get my soldering iron and figure this out. Like, it's just like, it's the same thing. Like, you know, it's it really is like, this is a technical, difficult field that is really not for everybody.

And I spent my whole life studying it and I still don't know everything about everything. Nobody does. Um, but, uh, you know, how could you just sort of like, just be like, yeah, no, I don't care what any experts are going to say. I'm going to make up my own mind. I guess the, I guess it kind of what happens is with anything though. It's like, once there's an, once there's a something that they want to happen it's like you know you'll you'll the the scientists just like anyone else get in line i mean just in like any industry where you go hey this is what

we're doing like just in comedy you go hey this is what we want right now it's like lo and behold everyone thinks that now right so it's like yeah that's true i think things just naturally have their people are contrarian some people are just naturally contrarian. You tell them anything and they go, no. And some people aren't. Yeah, exactly. I'm kind of like that. Like, I'm literally that.

But, you know, for me, there's the line I think one has to draw at some point. Like, again, if I had to do my own heart surgery, I'd be like, you know, wake up in the middle of it and be like, hey, bro, you're cutting the wrong place. You know, it's a couple millimeters down here. You know what? Give me that. Let me do it. Thank you. All right. You know, it's like, just stop. You know, it's a couple millimeters down here. You know what, give me that. Let me do it. Thank you. You know, it's like, just stop, you know, it's crazy. But it is what it is. Like, I also understand the other opinion. And I think, but like, when people sort of say stuff like, oh, the vaccine wasn't tested, or what do you what about this side effect? I'm

like, dude, this, this isn't your thing. Like, just stop. You sound like an idiot. Like, you're not a doctor, like, you don't know what a p valuevalue is like you're not that'd be funny if like martin was out there kind of saying this stuff and then like all the like liberal blogs had to like be like put you on a pedestal now yeah they're just gonna have to ignore that one bedfellows man really strict bedfellows i mean you can make a comeback pretty quick if you agree with one of their things a lot. Yeah. If you want to do like a change my mind, like a Crowder kind of thing, but you're pro vaccine. I would love to.

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Like I call a spade a spade, whether it's dissing Bernie Sanders. I used to say that he had taxoplasmosis where he had a disease, you know, it cost him to raise taxes on everything. And that he had, he, we should was we should be worried more about his illness than uh my drug but um again the media is a funny thing man like yeah i mean you must have experienced the most yeah it's like that that's i mean people always say that in us in little things where you go whenever the media is going hard on something that you know personally the facts you know because it's you or you know his friend or whatever you're just like oh this is how they fucking operate and it's funny because like you can't blame them

necessarily i guess because like they're not you right like they don't know what you know but like in the old days like i think in the olden days the new york times and stuff like they'd actually like really research something and make sure like they vetted it correctly these days i don't get asked for a comment or anything and like the best part was the wu-tang album thing where i was like well your wu-tang album was taken away from me i was like what do you mean this one and i like press play like right uh but it was taken away from me i was like this this album that's playing right now right is that the one you're asking about like oh because i wrote this big article that said it was taken away from you i'm like yeah yeah where'd you get that from yeah like it's like well what do you

think i bought the album i didn't make a copy like what was the what was the wildest lies that they told about you that one was pretty annoying and that one's the craziest i mean that was that one was pretty annoying like uh one of these things says I'm 5'7", which is funny. It's pretty annoying because everything... Especially when you're a single guy. I don't care, but it just happens to be the number one most objectively important thing to women.

I think your bank account is objectively more... That's important, too but they lie about that too so it's it's uh it's a very frustrating uh thing to have to live through but that's why trust is so low with experts right the media supposed to be trustworthy experts exactly no longer that at all in fact that's why podcasts are working um i did a podcast kind of reminds me very similar to yours uh called pardon my take with barstool and yeah yeah they um they got to the bottom of whatever like this whole thing like just talking and

interviewing like being normal human beings yeah yeah the whole thing was like not edited it was just like hey this is a conversation like you can take it or leave it or think you like the guy i agree with some or don't whatever but but and that's why joe rogan works too right it's like you know what we don't want is you to tell us what to think like that's and it's happening simultaneously it's like both it's like they're losing trust while the other sides of the podcast are gaining trust they actually there was like a pew uh poll came out you see that yet? Like yesterday. And essentially, uh, like only 50% of journalists think that I think it was a 54 think that they need to cover the other side of

a story. And you're like, like that, they even need to like, you know, look into the other side, like at all. They're just like, we just find out all the info on the one side that we've already like, like decided is the premise essentially. And then just like go from there. Yeah. That's the funniest thing when like some journalists will call premise essentially and then just like go from there yeah that's the funniest thing when like some journalists will call me up and they're like we're going to press in five minutes uh we have these like you know if i refute this do you have time to correct it they're like no yeah i had a one thing where bloomberg asked me for a comment and i was like listen i'm only gonna make a comment. If you promise that you will put it in your story, verbatim as my official comment. And you know, Bloomberg is this service. I'm not if you know a lot about the company, because it's a weird

company. They have media. Yeah, I know the media company. But then they have also a software company that's like a Wall Street software. And they're like, yes, Martin, for a quote from you directly, we will put it in verbatim exactly for you. And I responded with Bloomberg sells an antiquated, extremely expensive software that had wall street professionals. This is peak troll days, right? And they're like, yeah, no, we're not putting this in. I said, you promised, you know, and I've had so many lies like that from media

where like there's this thing called background where you're supposed to like, you'll talk to them completely not for attribution. And then like, I'll read the article and be like, you just quoted me. Like we said it was not for background. And they'll like give me some cockamamie reason. Oh, and like they said it's off the record essentially?

Yeah. And that background is explicitly understood thing in journalism but like even the wall street journal did this to me like they'll be like oh yeah well you know sorry and so like what am i supposed to do sign a contract with you guys before i talk to you like yeah i'll sue you for that like how about just like not being a douchebag i've had i always my argument is like for people to not misrepresent me in, um, in headlines because the clickbait headlines, but you'll agree to something because you're just like, I don't have to do anything.

So someone's like, Hey, like I'll agree, but like, don't make a clickbait headline. That's something I not said. And then they do. And then they like, they do it worse than you were. I was like, I didn't even expect it would be that bad. And then you ask them to change it. And they just kind of like, it's like, I don't know. They're be that bad. And then you ask them to change it. And they just kind of like, like,

no, it's like, I don't know. They're just all of these places are just running such like, there's a lot of scumbags in that. The scumry that occurs with headlines. It's really funny. Cause I had to learn this the hard way is I'll sit down with a

reporter and the reporter will interview me for like five hours and write a story. But, and you think like, okay, this went really well. Like this reporter was totally digging it. Absolutely. Completely irrelevant because then it goes together and the editor's like oh right i think that i don't like this guy you are right because i think that's what happens even in the

cases i'm thinking about it's like they were kind of they didn't set that out but then they did the thing and then they said to the editor and the editor makes the news headline that's like yeah the editor always writes the headline the reporter can then they said to the editor and the editor makes the news headline. That's like, the editor always writes the headline. The reporter can suggest a headline, but the editor writes the headlines and you know, the reporter is just a wacky basically. And the editors considers themselves like I'm writing this story, not the reporter.

And it's such a crazy thing. And the editors don't make any money. So there's also no like accountability from lots of people because the editor is like, I'm removed from this thing enough not to care. And the other guy's like, it's out of my hands. It's totally a lack of accountability. And it's, it's, it's the most important part of the article.

And so the editors don't make any money. They're working for some media company, sometimes at a place like vice, they're like 26 years old. And the one thing they do have, other than six, six people living in one bedroom in a Brooklyn apartment, the one thing that they do have other than uh six six people living in one bedroom in a brooklyn apartment the one thing that they do have is they have power they have the power to dictate a headline they have power to remove the one sentence that kind of mollifies you they have power to augment the one sentence that makes you look bad and if you try to fuck with their power that's kind of like one of the biggest insults and i would would routinely try to do that. I'd like go on Twitter after like a journalist posts an article.

I'd be like, oh, you know, your article is wrong. And this is, you know, I'd write something like nasty or like docs them or something like that. And be like, well, I like live streaming. You mean docs their name, not their address. You know, I don't know maybe the address came out this is a long time ago i think the world was a different place yeah yeah you were you were hyped up in those days we got elon need elon to buy twitter get you back on there

i like that but like it's dangerous too because like that feedback that's what got you into trouble yeah like that dopamine it gets everybody into trouble it's there's no upside at all like i heard someone say once that like essentially people go on twitter and then they get in that feedback loop and then it becomes like this game and like literally winning the game is just getting kicked off it's it's cancer final boss it's the final boss is finally getting kicked off. Imagine playing that game and then Hillary Clinton asks you and says something about you and you're like, I disagree.

Then five minutes later, you're like, you're a bitch. It's like... And then everybody's like, half the people are like, fuck you. Half the people are like, get him, Martin. People love a self-destruction of any sort too yeah martyr people love a martyr she's not exactly the most popular right

yeah yeah i i yeah like so after she i mean you really enjoy who's the worst who is the worst one that like of all the ones that ones that you were just like, man, I got misrepresented here? Well, maybe a good way to answer this, who do I get it in with? So Steve Colbert and Patton Oswalt were like two guys that were really so dense and stupid about it. They weren't a fan? No, no, no.

So Colbert... He's the pharma bro now you ever see his vaccine dance no oh dude oh you must have missed it oh i have to pull him you're saying that wasn't going viral in the jail dude he did this it was so panned it was the worst thing you've ever seen it was all these like rockets but they're all wearing these like syringe costumes and it's like some nbc dork could come up with this dude it was it probably he came up with it it's so cringy and bad and it's like the opposite of comedy like it's so far removed from comedy so what i actually posted it saying that like i just got a my first role on colbert and people were like i can't believe

you would do this i was like yeah it's not me's not me. I thought I was beating him at his own game. What'd they do? What happened? I was on fire on Twitter. My shit was actually funny and he would just be annoyed by it. He would try to make fun of me, but again, his jokes always miss.

He's just a social justice warrior that is vaguely funny. I think that he wrote something nasty and i wrote lol suck a dick so like what one of my like simple comedic responses is like to go to the lowest common denominator especially as like a sort of pseudo-intellectual yeah it's funny you're it's like just you know your mom is you know shit like that it's always kind of funny you're gay it's unexpected right yeah well you're gay that's the definition of comedy is really just unexpected response and uh to some extent so i said uh i said that and his response was are you

going to raise the price of that too and uh for everybody that was like oh mic drop which is also like the least funny thing in the world now um yeah uh it was like oh he got you burned total mic drop like no i'm like no i can't raise the price of no i don't get it yeah it doesn't really work it was just so dumb like i mean he can't the thing is his base he can do no wrong like it's one of those things where like he'll he can say nothing that's gonna other than you know going against the orthodoxy of whatever beliefs that every one of them all possess it sort of started with john stewart and i think like he's sort of quite frankly kind of ashamed of it like it's like news activism stand-up mishmash. It's so dry and corny.

I don't have to talk to you guys about this, but the whole idea of the whole Dave Chappelle backlash. I bought the Wu-Tang album really because of Dave Chappelle. Is he the biggest comedian in jail? People love Chappelle? Or do they like Mike Gaps and those guys?

I'd say Chappelle takes the cake really okay i mean literally there was a guy across the hall from me named ku who became a very close uh friend of mine it just all day long we just act out every single chapelle skit like 50 times and there was this like russian hacker in his cell too who was like what is this like you know like russian hacker that's great yeah i'm picturing the long hair guy from x-files always when i picture a hacker yeah close enough and he he was just he was awesome too and these two guys would always get into these arguments and across the hall was me and gator gators from west virginia gators the best uh gator had a tattoo of every one of his kids, eight kids. He was 30.

Wow. He had a tattoo with the name of every one of his kids, except number seven was blank because he forgot the name. He knows the name, but he forgot the spelling. It's not like a bit. That's like a bit. It really is crazy. On his back, there's a whole thing, a big tattoo that says, trust no bitch.

And I look at his back, and I'm like, Gator, what's that tattoo say? And he's like, trust no bitch. I was like, okay, but what does it mean? He's like, it means what it means, trust no bitch. I ain't trust no woman, no woman never. And I said, well, what about your mom? He's like, technically, she's a bitch. So I ain't trust no woman. No woman, never. And I said, well, what about your mom? He's like, technically, she's a bitch. So I ain't trust no bitch.

I'm like, all right, cool. Did you ask him what kid number he got that tattoo at? I think he got it in prison. Oh, he got it in prison. So he had the eight. Eight bitches. He goes, eight? He goes, you know what? Eight?

I'm losing faith. Oh, dude. I asked him. I was just getting to know him this whole little chat. Really, what you're asking is you're not a pedophile. You're not a rat. Okay, cool. Whatever else you did, it doesn't matter.

Those are the two things that matter. In fact, being a rat is worse than being a pedophile, technically. Do you have to show your paperwork and stuff? That's it. You know the exact term, paperwork. Well, I watch it on TikTok all the time. I see that shit. Somehow their algorithm I got in there, so then that's all.

You're stuck in the wheel. I'm stuck in the wheel, yeah. Paperwork is the most vital thing in prison. The funny thing about me is that not only did I not cooperate with the government, but I actually went to trial. When everybody was like, who didn't know me, they were like, does he have paperwork they like ask a guy like with i'm within earshot

and i just like smile and they'd be like yeah he's he's good yeah pretty sure that when he went to trial he like like made fun of the prosecutors the judge and everybody like wow so that made you kind of yeah that made you pretty much awesome yeah was there anyone who didn't like the Wu Tang stuff in jail? Cause they're like, no, no, no, they weren't like that. Well, it's funny. It's funny because I think real hip hop heads understand that like beef, whether it's real or manufactured is a big part of hip hop in general. And it's not often personal. It's sort of artistic.

So in fact, it's a good story for this podcast, because again, nobody really knows this. There's a guy named Action Bronson, and he's famous rapper, sort of mid-tier, whatever kind of rapper. And he's Albanian. And I also happen to be Albanian. So I'm 100% Albanian, and I believe he is too. And so I follow his music as well as him because he's Albanian. And he got into a big fight with Ghostface Killa. And Ghostface is, you know, some washed up old rapper who's in Wu-Tang. He's a great musician. But like, he says dumb things like the FDA is holding up cures, blah, blah, blah.

You know, he's just, he's very like racist against white people. He's very, you know, he's just sort of not this great philosopher. Ghostface killer. He's no genius, but great musician, great rapper. Maybe one of the best ever, but having a conversation with him isn't a good idea. So anyway, he, um, they have this big quarrel and ghostface uh ghostface puts out a video that's like an hour long and if you haven't seen it you have to see it because

it's the funniest thing ever he's like threatening action bronson's life he's like making fun of him he's like i'll set your beard on fire you fat You know, he's just going on and on and on. It's awesome. And I watched this thing. I'm like, this is the best thing ever. Like, you know, this guy is so reckless and stupid. He's just doing this on YouTube and I'm in the background is like this old TV from like 1980. And so I make my own video just as a, and then he says something about me, which is cool or whatever, but I make my own video as sort of like a satire on his video.

I remember that. And it was totally a cringe satire. Like it wasn't intended to be serious. It was intended to be an illusion to his video, but we all kind of ran with it. And again, like I talked to the Wu Tang all the time. Like I don't,

there's no beef, like still, no, no there's no there was never a beef ever like well i maybe i bought into it then i know we did a good job you know like there's a work i i got work well i'll tell you we asked her uh no we're we were like not real we like so now we're not wrestling fans now but we're like a little now. A little bit, yeah. I was. Are you a big wrestling guy? I wouldn't say big, but yeah. We have comedian friends who do independent wrestling. I'd love to actually get in that scene.

Oh, dude, you'd be a great manager, man. Oh, that'd be cool. Just before we move on from the thing, we had a bunch of questions on our Patreon, and one of the guys did ask, he said, of your's the uh best mc in wu-tang that was a patreon question yeah so i mean i think method man is is uh probably the best uh rapper and artist in general like he's a really creative dude his vocabulary is insane i mean if you haven't seen uh this wu this Wu Tang vocabulary analysis,

somebody did a quantitative analysis of everything. I've seen that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the Wu Tang is like in its own like quadrant of like vocabulary. And I think that always got me and especially like the rhetorical devices of like the metaphor of like Shaolin is, is Staten Island and they're the killer bees and they bees and they the rap sting you like that's rich metaphor like other rappers don't know yeah not like that i have a question actually because so you obviously have a copy of the album and you had a phone when you were inside were you able to play it like did you have it could you play it for people yeah i sent it to a few friends in jail and again it's like yeah yeah there's like a million copies of it i've

sent to my buddies um like as soon as i got it i made copies and sent it to my friends like why wouldn't you um and now this group uh it's like this super liberal dow it's a decentralized autonomous organization which is like an abbreviation for crypto nerd and uh it's uh just this group of crypto nerds They want to buy it back? They bought it for $4 million. I don't want it back because I have the MP3s. They bought a piece of plastic. It's just like the box, right?

They bought it as sort of like an own? I don't think they realized. They threatened to sue me. They didn't realize that they bought it without checking. This is a big story, actually. They thought that nobody bought it without checking like is there yeah yeah this is a big story actually they thought that nobody had it that they there was no copies of it on the news no it's not they didn't know i played it on twitter and they called me uh it was the best one of their lawyers calls me he's like bro i'm like listen i'm kind of busy like call me some

other time he's like i'm trying not to start world war three with you right now and i was like oh you know i've had 20 fbi's just kicked down my door i know what world war three looks like you're not world war three and i get the fuck off my phone and um i proceeded to play it on pressure dude world war three what so so i played the thing on on, but nobody covered it. There's a bunch of journalists in there. Nobody actually wrote a story. But everyone wrote a story when it was seized from me, which I sold it. I agreed to sell it.

Like, I found the buyer. It was my choice to sell it. The government asked for my permission. Were there a lot of people wanting to buy it? Well, so I bought it for $1.5 million, and I marked it down in my books to $500,000. That's where I felt roughly I would be able to sell it. Then this NFT shit happened, like Bored Ape, Yacht Club, all that stuff. People were buying NFTs, which are photos like you take with your phone, JPEGs, for millions of dollars.

And I was like, yo, I got a real thing for millions. This is a real collectible. I'm going to make this into an NFT. Real collectibles were up in that market too, weren't they? He was making money on buying and selling women's tennis cards and shit.

Real collectibles have gone through the roof for this exact reason. There's no reason that, you know, you can copy a photo. You can't copy a real collectible. Like, uh,

I had Kurt Cobain's credit card, for instance. Um, you know, you bought, you bought, you bought like a, was it like in one of those like PSA,

like the slabs or whatever, like the plastic, I literally put in my wallet. Like I go to like bars or restaurants and be like here you go and they'd be like sir this this says Kurt Cobain expired what expired what year like 95 yeah 94 95 uh and it's pretty it's pretty sweet but um like those kinds of things are really valuable um but like the whole NFT thing went crazy so it's like I'll make this I'll make an NFT out of this thing so then my friend and I found like a good buyer that we trusted and then something went left and these nerds got it instead

but it was just funny that like they were like yeah man this is the best own and uh one of them reached out to me this guy from uniswap was like well now he can't hear it ever again yeah you're like everyone in the fucking prisons got one we're listening to you right now yeah it was and it's the saddest thing they had a listening party and every single person at this listening party was white which is like i saw you did the spaces recently yeah exactly um but they did this thing and it was every white rich crypto bro I'm like, so this is the great plan to liberate the Wu-Tang album. Good. You guys are doing it right.

Yeah. Actually, speaking of that world again, Danny just told me that you were like working with Jim Cramer. What do you think of Jim Cramer? I always think he's like the most guy to fade. Yeah. So he was a hedge fund manager from 87 or 85 to 2000. I joined his firm at 2000.

I was 16. I worked there for four years. He retired at the end of 2000. So we overlapped for like nine months. But he is a great, he had, I mean, this was 20 years ago. He literally retired, right? So he stopped trading, stopped investing, stopped working 22 years ago. So that's just an important thing to keep in mind.

Of course. Yeah, you're right. Yeah. When he was a professional, he was one of the best. And the problem with trading is like even the great traders like Steve Cohen or whatever, like they're not right all the time. They're right like 52% of the time or something like that. And like the risk management skills bump up their returns a bit,

the leverage, they, they have like a technique that lets them make 10%, 15. So he's telling you all these kinds of techniques that worked if you have all this other stuff, but if you're just a guy, you're just getting rinsed.

Well, I don't even think he's even doing that on TV anymore. Like I think for him, this whole thing is just fun. And no, he's on tv he he gets flamed non-stop everything he says everybody goes i think we've reached the bottom everybody's like all right 20 lower it is like the guy's been retired for 22 years he hasn't traded a stock in 20 pretty good blind dude he was telling people to buy coinbase when it was 450 he's like i would buy it up to 500 or something and it's like they came up today the coinbase does like two percent of all crypto trades now it's like dying

i don't want to like uh like i have no reason to support code boys cast if you do want to keep forgetting sorry whoops oops i'll have to do that um the uh i have no reason to support him but i haven't talked to him in like 10 years but the uh the point is like i made hundreds of millions of dollars trade right i mean he's a great trader now he also used to wake up at 4 a.m like i'd be i tried to beat him to the office i could never be he was always there like 4 or 5 a.m what time do you go what time do you go to sleep if you're waking up at 4 a.m like i'd be i tried to beat him to the office i could never be he was always there like four or five a.m what time do you go what time do you go to sleep if you're waking up at 4 a.m it's a good question for him because yeah sometimes he's just not sleep because i like a lot of times i'll try to do that but when i work kind of late with i think he had like a cocaine

implant in his chest or something like he was just like well i don't know if you remember so there's like uh trump was i think one of those guys but there's all these presidents and people that they say they never slept right they're like they only needed four and there was studies that some people need that but then they did a second study that a lot of those people got alzheimer's that like a craze all those guys who like weren't sleeping all got dimension alzheimer's at like a way higher rate jerry the owner of the cowboys he's fam notoriously like never sleeps or whatever but then everybody's like you'll be talking in a meeting he falls asleep fall asleep everywhere yeah he just falls asleep everywhere he can't just not sleep he just steals 15 minutes here and there but you're like in a meeting he's

falling asleep i think science has established it's like the most important thing you could do for your health is to sleep a lot and einstein did it i but there's so many people that like you need two more hours wake up two hours hours earlier. It's like, I can't just not sleep though. David Goggins and fucking Jocko are just sending people to early grades. It's funny. That's why Kramer retired. He was like 40-something. For him,

it was a health thing. To be a professional hedge fund manager, you have to be trained like an athlete. How do you train like an athlete? What do you mean? You have to be so physically and mentally fit that you train like an athlete what do you mean like you have to be so physically and mentally fit that like you can't let your concentration drop um and believe it or not like i've known like chess masters who like a six-hour chess match they're drenched like it sounds funny but like it's an intense intense workout as weird as that sounds like your brain

burned a lot of calories and uh for kramer he would be standing up the guy never sat down he'd be standing up like this like you know kind of you know over his desk screaming at everybody like and oh yeah it was like mad money on steroids like it was it was worth working there just to watch like it was just like the best show ever because imagine mad money with cursing right um so the guy got is just like f best show ever. Because imagine Mad Money with cursing, right? So the guy is just like F-bombing everyone. He used to throw stuff at me and everybody else, like big water bottle, like full of water. He'd just be like, you fuck!

And this is for like, we're managing $300 or $400 million. And this is for like losing $50,000. He'd be like, I can't believe it! And he'd like take whatever's around him and just be like, ah! So you were 16. Yeah, that's its own story. But like, yeah, I was like, yes, sir, whatever. And I'd like mop up the water and be like, no problem. Interesting.

Yeah, we did a going away video for him, a retirement video. And like one guy had a slang like fake slang and he was like giving a testimony like jim was such a good boss like mine i did mine was behind uh i wish i could get this video it's so awesome mine was behind a like you know like one like a victim like when you black out like you just see their outline yeah um so i was like behind that black screen of like you know with an altered voice like yeah jim was a jim was a fantastic like you know witness protection jim was a good boss you know i i definitely recommend working for him um so anyway it was

a blast like the guy's really smart uh you just had to have thick skin to work there because working at any kind of hedge fund is an emotional mess like the and trading is an emotional mess like it's it's really not most people are bad at it because they can't control that really tough thing i was explaining a little bit today like when you're wrong on a stock the natural like amateur temptation is to resist that and i fought that for like 15 years like it took a long time in professional wall street environments for me to be like, okay, when I'm wrong, I got to admit it and just eat it and move on. And it's, it's such a hard thing to do for anybody because it's the worst feeling in the world. Most men and women in their relationships never want to be like, yeah, I messed up. Sorry. Yeah. It's the hardest thing

intellectually and emotionally to be like, yeah, Apple's actually not going to go up a ton. I got to sell it now. I see. Yeah. What's the, that's the, like being able to evaluate always now. I've used even like thinking that, uh, like even career wise, sometimes being like, you know, just thinking of trying to think to myself, like, okay, what if I just like took over, like what if everything I did was someone else and I just took over my own body and started right now like what would i do to try to shake i try to like think like that sometimes it does sort of help to be like okay well i would stop doing this like you know what i mean and you're like well i do that though and you're like okay well we're not anymore that's like really smart and insightful i thought you guys were more like a comedy podcast. I don't know. No, we're stupid.

We're stupid. We're stupid. We're stupid comedy podcast. We're all over the map. That's like really good life advice. I didn't expect that. One thing that kind of with the, you know, a lot of people with, with the crypto stuff, they were like, and probably stocks, like just the way that people got like brutalized and you know so many people lost their life savings like obviously they're talking about how do we regulate this better whatever and it kind of relates to your thing i was like wondering like do you think

with every with the stuff that you do obviously there's a part of it where you're like yo that's the game like what i did is like what everyone did i just like found a thing or do you think like yeah that was that was the game, but if the government, the government should potentially regulate, you know, certain things so the drug can't get, you know, or if it's a random drug like that, then intervene and buy it for the 2000 people or like what the, what's the way that you see it? Do you see it as like, no,

that's the game and it should be, or do you see it as like, there's an ethics issue or like, how do you see, you know what I'm asking? Probably. Right. Yeah. Just for drug pricing. I mean, I think the model works great. Like I said, I have so many friends with rare diseases like cystic fibrosis, where I have a great friend who has cystic fibrosis and her drug costs $300,000 a year. And drug companies would not be able to make any money in cystic fibrosis if it was a normal drug price, like 5,000 bucks or whatever insulin costs, because nobody has cystic

fibrosis like 10 20 000 people in america so the price has to match accordingly so that the low number of patients so that part i get that but i guess that's the argument for you know socializing it obviously right but like how like well what do you do if you're someone that doesn't have insurance and you need it like what's the solution to that problem i know in your case you're like i'll just give it to them but the company has to give it away i mean and you need it, what's the solution to that problem? I know in your case, you're like, I'll just give it to them. The company has to give it away. I didn't make that up. The industry, that's needed.

Are there people without insurance in America who have cystic fibrosis and they just got the drug? Nobody's going without it. No, you'd have to be a monster. Gotcha. That's the industry standard. It's like everyone with insurance, we pay for it. If you don't have insurance, then you know what I mean. If you don't have insurance, you should have to be a monster to... Gotcha. So that's the industry standard. It's like everyone with insurance, we pay for it. If you don't have insurance, then you know what I mean.

Well, if you don't have insurance, you should be on Medicaid. So, you know, we do have a safety net for that. So it's a double safety net, you know? Okay. I mean, Medicaid... I don't know how any of that works here. So in your opinion, you're just like... It's kind of the healthcare thing where you're like,

yeah, you either can afford it or have a situation you can afford it, or worse comes to worse, like you're getting it either way. You kind of the healthcare thing where you're like, yeah, you either should be, you either can afford it or have a situation that you can afford it or worse comes to worse. Like you're getting it either way. You kind of see it as there's got to be store. I mean, I guess there's always stories of everything, but there's got to be stories of people that are like, need it. There are always stories like, you know, edge cases, but like when you have a country of 300 million people, like you didn't get edge cases on everything, you know? And it's, uh, it's like, I give you a good example. Like there was one guy who called me cause I put my phone number right on Reddit and I said, anybody can't get this drug, just call me. And I'll get it.

I'll, if I have to personally bring it to you, I'll bring it to you. Um, and of course the only people I got calls from were trolls. Um, and I'm like, listen, you know, and I would, I put on speaker and stream and I'd be like, Hey, listen, uh, I really appreciate you calling me and everything. But right now there could be a patient that actually wants the drug and you're kind of taking up the phone line. If they're, they're calling and be like, Oh wait, you're right. Yeah. But it seems like, you know, that's not the perfect system, I guess. No, it's not at all. We had, we had 20 people sitting in a call center as well. Right. So, you know,

but I said, listen, just, just, just so you understand my commitment to this, like anybody can email me, DM me, call me, show up in our office. Like I, whatever you want to do, like, however you want to do it, I'm not going to let you go without it. And so, and by the way, there's an alternative to Daraprim that's 33 cents, which nobody ever talked about either, which is my favorite. And was it that much better? It's the same. It's equivalent. And then why would you go want the $750 one? Dude. I mean, our fault, if you looked at our emails at the time, it was like, everybody's just going to switch that thing. And like, you were like, this is going to be bad for us. Well, we, we did went through it anyway, because it was $17 and we're going to go to

seven 50. And if you do the math, even if we lost 50% of the users, we're still fine. If we lost 80% of the users, it still has more revenue than before. We only lost about 30, 40%. And the reason we only lost 30, 40% is because the media came out with these articles that said Shkreli raises life-saving drug with no alternative. We're like, Bactrim works really well. It's like a very common, like you guys have probably taken Bactrim at some point in your life. It's one of the most common antibiotics.

Gotcha. Okay. If you guys want to sell our drug for us and say it's the only possible medicine for this disease i'm cool yeah like this is the greatest advertising campaign ever like you might be like one of the most misrepresented people like in just nowadays there's probably a nowadays maybe more because things kind of went wilder things got wilder while you were in jail i feel like politically right which is the salmon thing was was awesome. What's that? The Sandman. The kid with the maga hat. Adam Sandler's

new movie. No, the kid who went to the Make America Great again and CNN ruined his life. Yeah, and CNN paid him off, I guess, right? Yeah. Well, they gave away his personal information. Have you ever tried to sue someone

for misrepresenting you? Yeah, I sue the wall street journal we had a hundred page lawsuit ready to go um the wall street journal said that i was running my drug company from prison and this actually had real world implications like running like the people that are like in the cartel and they're like he's still yeah so i had a contraband cell phone i definitely don't deny that um but i can't run a company from I definitely don't deny that. Um, but I can't run a company from prison. I don't think I could, like, I couldn't file my taxes, let alone run a company. Like it's, it's. You're like, I got most some, you're like, even if I was doing this at most, maybe I could like advise to some degree.

Communicate, you know, possibly, uh, even advice is like, dude, you're in prison. Like I'm spending most of my day, like sitting in a chow hall and joking around. Like we didn't have phones all the time. Like I could jump on a phone real quick and I'd use it to like sext or something, you know, I'm like not focused on pharmaceuticals. Um, like the, um, like, I mean, I would, I would pay attention to pharmaceuticals, but I wouldn't like, it's not an office, you know? So I trusted the people that worked at the company to run the company because they didn't have the handicap of, you

know, kind of being locked up. They had an office, they had coworkers, they had resources, lawyers, all this stuff. And like, they blame me for even communicating with them when the reality is like, listen, I have a big investment in the company. I'm allowed to communicate and keep tabs on it, but I certainly wasn't directing. And that ended up having a lot of real world impacts. We lost a major deal because of that. We, that cost us a fortune. We, I got sued personally. And the judge was like, see, this is evidence. I'm like, it's not evidence. It's a made up story. So anyway, we decided not to sue it, sue the journal, because it's just like a waste of time. These defamation lawsuits have like no teeth.

Nobody ever wins them. Nobody ever has to pay. It's like very rare in most people win here and there, but you're right. I think we know a guy in Canada. Well, no, yeah, we know a guy in Canada, but also like, you know, I guess the famous ones like Gawker and whatever, but there is people that, but you're right. It's 90% of it is like, you're doing it to like almost as a publicity statement to clear your name to some degree. Right.

You have to prove that you lost a specific amount of money because you've got the hardest part. That's always the hardest part. You can prove somebody defamed you. And the judge is like, yes, we find in favor of the plaintiff. You've been defamed. The result is that you didn't lose anything specifically so the case is closed and you're just like yeah you have to be like you can't just say oh i lost work and be like well it can't be like oh i would have got more jobs you have to be like no i got fired

from this specific job because of do you remember of hulk hogan's best one when he was doing that was he was like i'll never forget this part but he was basically like one of the main things when they released the sex tape he's like hulk hogan's dick could be way bigger than that and people think that was like yeah terry's dick is six inches but hulk hogan's dick could be 12 inches that's one of the things they're saying that they like ruined the illusion that like hulk hogan probably had a nice hog that was like part of his defense in court or offense so okay and I know we kind of said

an hour and a half but the last thing that I think I did we wanted to again this is sort of a Patreon question but we probably would have talked about it anyway what do you think is happening politically going into 2024 and like and do you like what's the biggest mistake republicans make what the biggest mistake democrats can make and uh who do you think runs and like what's your

take on what happens like politically and where it's at i'm not a political expert at all i think eventually i'm gonna run just to shake things up. Are you going to run? Like not now, but like, you're going to run as a Republican. That should warm them up to you. 12 years from now or something like that. It seems like it's pretty easy to win. And, um,

run for what? Like Congress or president? No, I can't run for president, but, uh, why not? Cause a felon. Yeah.

Felony felons can't hold the office. I can actually run and win, but can't hold it. So do it. It'd still be awesome. Another first. President's a pretty tough one. I think you've got to be a megalomaniac. I'm a president?

Even I'm not that fucking egotistical that I think you can become a president. But Congress people are two-year. It's arguably the stupidest thing in the world that every two years you get elected, so you're just campaigning the whole time. Yeah, they are campaigning the whole time. We were talking about it yesterday. There's in the Latina in Texas or whatever that they're all against.

Yeah, anti-AOC. Yeah, or whatever, and she was elected six months ago, and she's already up for re-election or something, so she might only be six months as as a congresswoman so you might do run for that well basically i'm gonna run just as a great joke so like i can probably like waste a million bucks or two on ads and just like think of the stupidest funniest ads like for me my platform would be universal health care for animals so i think that like there shouldn't be oh my god you're gonna get so many chill like

my girlfriend's like i'm voting for him then no exactly like you can't say it puts them in like sort of a rock and a hard place holding a puppy and like sparky is dying of this and that like why should we let him just die and the dog's like vote for me unless you hate animals and um lots of other things like that. Like I have come up with all kinds of stuff. Just a full platform of stuff that chicks have to reluctantly agree with. Like super liberal women. All kinds of stuff.

Like I think, yeah. But you're like a Republican, but you didn't like Trump kind of thing. I started liking him. He didn't pardon me. So that was. Oh yeah. Weren't you going to pardon the guy that he pardoned or something like that? The rapper you said, like you offered to pay his bail.

Like was the Kodak black. Well, no, I think you're crossing wires. Oh, you bought me. I thought that you are, you were going to like potentially pay someone's bail and Bobby Shmurda. Oh, Bobby Shmurda. I thought that you were going to, like, potentially pay someone's bail, and then you went to jail. Like the same day. Right?

Okay, so I knew there was something like that. Yeah, like a week after, I was like, yeah, I'll help Bobby Shmurda. And they're like, yeah, you're arrested now, too. Yeah, good luck doing that from prison. Why do you think Trump would pardon you? Like, did you know him? we have a lot of mutual friends i don't know him um we have the same ideology like but i think he got so frustrated at the end

of his term that he was just like i'm done with all this like it's like he basically shut down um like my lawyer represented uh kushner's father when he went to prison. It's a pretty good in. My lawyer called me and he's like, it's not happening, man. They just can't do it. You're too toxic, Juan. You only have a couple years left. The pardon should be saved for people who are like Ross Ulbrook.

He should definitely. He's the Silk Road guy. He's in jail for multiple murders like he's in jail for life Right like you got a double murders. They know I don't know this don't say that but is it again, but isn't that what he's convicted for no Misconception, okay. I thought that what happened partially what he's in jail for so so he got Indicted and there was some evidence that he put a hit out on somebody, but he never got charged with that.

He just got charged with having the largest drug trafficking organization of all time. But he actually did get – and again, it's a sad story because the guy's in prison. He's just a computer geek, and he's at the max. I heard a rumor – jail rumors are about as trustworthy as any other rumors. I did hear a rumor that the white supremacists gave him a knife. They're like, listen, you're with us, whether you like it or not.

This is what you need to do. Take this and go put this in this other prisoner like a Mexican guy. That's my nightmare. Yeah. He's at a max and so then what happened they told him you have to put in work if you're gonna be protected you're gonna be one of us you're gonna be eat with us you're gonna be protected by us you're cool we like you we

like your story like you're not a rat we have to go kill a guy you gotta go kill this guy and he was like i can't do it so he allegedly and again this is a disparaging term in prison it's called checking in he went on his own volition of protective custody he told and it was actually i would say nice of the white supremacists but they kind of threw him a ball and they're like listen you're not going to do it we understand it's not for you you know go tell that guard that you can't hang and And cause you can't stay here. You're either with us or you're not here period. And, um,

and that's actually a good thing on his behalf. Cause if they're not going to protect them, somebody else is going to grab them up. So again, a guy who is in essence, a glorified computer geek is in prison dealing with this kind of shit. Um, no, he never touched any drugs drugs he literally just ran a website yeah again he was the argument that like well the website was being used for people you know the whole thing everybody

buy their big he's not innocent right yeah he's not innocent i don't think it's like the proportionality yeah exactly should he get 10 years or double life? And I guess it wasn't just drugs. It was probably whatever other... No, no, no. For him, it was drugs. This is what my misunderstanding was, what they were trying to say. Well, yeah.

There was, I mean, serious allegation. The evidence looked on its face fairly good that he did put a hit out on somebody through an FBI agent. So the person never died or anything. There was just a hit. It was, yeah, the entrapment to something. Yeah, so they didn't even bother putting it in the case because it was so weak.

And it turns out that that FBI agent got indicted himself for stealing Bitcoin. All the Bitcoin, right? While he was on the job, yeah. Because he had like 200,000 Bitcoins or something. Really? Didn't he have some insane number? No, no.

So Silk Road did. Silk Road did, sorry. Siphoned like a couple million dollars worth, put it in his pocket, and he's like, hey, this is what FBI agents do, man. I mean, hey. No, no, no. I'm saying Ross Albrecht had like- Ross did.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He had like 200,000 Bitcoin, something like insane number. And they took it all? Considering there's only 21 million of them. He'd probably be the richest man in the world right now like his job never and that's that's our imagine you were like yo yesterday i was the richest man in the world today it's like i have to kill a guy for the kkk like that's all i mean that's the criminal life too um you know chapo is living that life now i I mean, but.

He's not living in a cell where it's like in the movies where they're bringing him steak dinner and stuff like that. No, he's not like Paul Sorvino and good fellas or anything. That was more of my life. I tried to like, I had this buddy D block, who I would love to come on this with, with both of us. Cause he's hilarious. He could be a comedian himself. Do you still hang out with some of the guys that you went to prison with still?

I got you. No, I would never do that. So D-Black... Are you not supposed to associate with anyone from... Oh, you're not supposed to associate with other people that have records. Is that kind of the idea? Or is it all wishy-washy and they're just looking for a reason to get i just listen to what my lawyer says and i

do that um but the uh the um yeah so d block uh was like a very solid like resource for like getting he could get anything into the prison and um i was like listen d block can i talk to you later yeah what's up like i'm like and i'm like if you can get me think you can get me some stuff from the street he's like got you what you need like very conspiratorial i was like kit kat he's like are you fucking kidding right now he dropped the whole like whispering act yeah you're fucking kidding i was like no man i really want like some kit kats and twix and snickers he's like man i'm not getting any of that it's like i thought you wanted like a brick of cocaine or like yeah but

also you're like yo i'm ready for something give you money right what's that i told him i said what's the difference to you if it's a buoy knife or a brick of cocaine just get me some chocolate i'll pay the same amount i'll pay two grand or five grand just yeah yeah i have money to throw around yeah i i wanted my contact lenses of all things oh your glasses but you can't have contact lenses in prison so brutal sneak these things in through like somebody's butt or whatever you have to do like get me my contacts and they're all brought the worst pink guy we have techniques wrap them in plastic yeah yeah i assume but um the uh yeah i was like i'll pay 10 grand to do it and he's like listen this is the dumbest thing ever. Like I'm wasting all these resources to sneak you in chocolate and contacts,

but for you, I'll do it. So like every now and then we'd get stuff like that. We'd get some like vodka or whatever. Um, but, uh, did you ever throw around the money to buy stuff for the squad? Oh, every day. Yeah. Oh yeah. That's a good way to ingratiate yourself with people. Yeah. Like, uh, we had stamps. Um, that's what good way to ingratiate yourself with people yeah like uh we had stamps um that's what that was our currency so uh like postage stamps postage stamps and uh that made the world go around in prison and it still does and um we had this like really faulty electric uh system at

fort dick so the lights would go out all the time. And every time they did, I would like play the part and like everybody got a rise out of it. I play the part of like the scared white guy. But guys, what's up? What's going on? He'd be like, chill, chill. It's okay. I was like, I didn't get the stamps.

I'd be like, stand in front of the door. I'd give this guy five things of stamps. That's like 50 bucks. I'd be like, all right, can you stand in? Just do me a big favor. Stand in front of the door. And he'd be like, you got it like everybody would have a lot of fun with it and like somebody would come to the door like hold up hold up what you want like baby when people

like steal from each other and stuff like if you have all these stamps and stuff like oh yeah that's an instant fight like yeah in fact like it got so into it with me or like it's such a like immediate reaction if you somebody steals from you immediately have to go you can't be like oh it's not worth it it's just 20 bucks you just because then you're just like mark like yeah you're you're you're gonna get beat up now yeah so like yeah it was a lot of fun so when the lights went out one time, the big guy named Dre, I wouldn't say the boss of the room,

Dre and D-Block were like co-bosses. Dre lifts up his bed and I'm like, what is he doing? Out slides five different knives. I'm like, he starts throwing them around the room. He passes one, passes one when he gives me a screwdriver he's like this is for you i'm like yeah i don't know if i need this he's like somebody gets near

you you put this inside them that's what you do then you take it out and do it again you got me so the room sort of sticks together yeah but he was joking nobody's gonna anybody oh okay like would search for that stuff or it was just rare that's why he had to lift up the bed but i'm saying don't they know that it's like they they were actually search for that stuff? Or it was just rare? That's why he had to lift up the bed. But I'm saying, don't they know that? They were actually hiding spots that they wouldn't know about? Or they're just like... You'd be shocked at different jail guys. We had a spot.

So we had so many phones in Fort Dix. It was absurd. We had a fucking spot. Dude, we shouldn't even disclose this because there's still people at Fort Dixie could be impacted by this, but we had a, we created a,

I hope this doesn't cause problems. We created a transportation, a tunnel shoot system where if the police were coming to you on the third floor, we could actually snake the phone down to the second floor to a guy who was like waiting from the ceiling. Through the toilets's up through the toilets through no we drilled oh like you had like the costco thing where you had like the you know the vacuum like yeah yeah close enough improvised version that's why we had drones we had your drones i mean i guess that must

be when drones came out for contraband, right? The drones just fly over. Because remember like Chapo escaped a prison because a helicopter just flew into the yard and he just grabbed onto the thing and just flew away? Yeah. And you're like, oh, that's a big security risk. Nobody thought that that could happen. Didn't know that.

Yeah. But then drones show up and you're like, yeah, we'll just have a drone fly over and just drop a thing. That's what happens a lot? I thought about, so when I was first getting set up to go to prison, I was thinking about this, um, the prison camps, which as I told you, I never got a chance to go to the prison camps, don't have fences. So a lot of dudes go to a hotel, motel, whatever. And like, they sneak out and they come back. Some dudes will, um, go see their chick in a car. Some dudes will go see their chick in the car. Some dudes will go see their chick in the forest,

like whatever they can do to do. So I thought about training the dog to like bring me McDonald's and just be like, have my friend, like, who's a mile away, like, like put, put the McDonald's around the dog's neck and like, stop the dog come find me. I'd have a whistling and like a dog would show up and be like yeah good spark all right give me that all right go back go back i guess the original version was like carrier pigeons or something before they had drones yeah but now it's just like all this

crazy tech stuff wow every possible like scheme i mean you probably have all day to think about it and you got to use your brain somehow so creative like that i was just like shocked i was like i thought i was like high school again because yeah sometimes you think of the schemes he had in high school and you're like we were on it back then you know you're like why don't i do that now it's like well you have to use all your mental capacity for something real now you know so you don't have time to think of schemes yeah these guys are like magicians like there were a bunch of sleight of hand dudes as well um but yeah it was fun i mean uh all things considered relative to expectations of like this being hell and the worst thing ever it was such a positive surprise relative to that it's so bad yeah you know

relative to what you would expect like and then so what's next for you what do you plan now it's like the main goal of the next like year i think it's just getting back to to being a geek and just making software making you know go back to normal not and you're not gonna you're gonna go i'm still gonna do all that other shit yeah yeah yeah once you're in it you're in it yeah like i i definitely want to you're not gonna do a podcast with my leonopolis that's not on the docket i should probably do that and anna delvy that's that's the three-way podcast i definitely want to like get away from the fraud thing like i'm not i was like an accidental fraudster in the first place so like for me and i still like

i still considered myself not guilty i mean i went to trial for a reason i didn't think i was guilty i got acquitted i did get acquitted of five out of eight, which for me was actually a pretty good victory. You usually don't get that. I recognize that I was found guilty of three things and I went to jail. I'm not delusional, but for me, there's controversy in my case.

It wasn't a clear... Anna Delvey lied to everybody and told them she was a princess. People were actual victims of Anna Delvey. They were like, I was a victim yeah you don't have victims well he hasn't he had a also had a company that was making something which is successful companies i mean none of my companies went under or anything like they all actually worked out so nobody's different than yeah i mean she literally had nothing there's people who are

like she ruined my life like you know she me over and like like there's that with the main she actually me over really yeah you got that wasn't in the dog you got over my head yeah uh i had a software company and she said she she just responded like not responded but like sent an inbound unsolicited request she's like i want to invest 300 grand i was like oh you know we'll put you in and we would call her like every two weeks and be like so yeah you know money coming she's like oh yeah tomorrow it's what's even the hustle what's the scam even like what did you just so she could tell other people like i'm an investor in this company and then and then maybe over the next two weeks,

you someone would call her and say, is she investing? And you'd say, yes. I don't know. Maybe something like that. It was some kind of long con for sure. I think part of it was to get me into her circle and then maybe I would give her money for something or like, Now I'm investing in you, you invested me 300 and then we'll just call it square. Yeah. It was like both investors in each

other's companies yeah yeah something like that where she was going to be like i think she was going to get somebody else to put up the money yeah and then when she needed money for me for her i think she wanted to do some moves some art studio or something she'd be like oh yeah you know do you want to put 100 grand in my thing and like usually i would say yes to stuff like that like that's how a lot of business gets done you know you invest in my thing i'll invest with your thing cool whatever uh and i had no reason not to trust her like her i didn't like her particularly like she was like uh really quiet like she just whispered everything it was was strange. Really? It was the weirdest

thing. Was she hot? I feel like they made her look hotter in the movie, right? Yeah. I thought she was like a six. Yeah, she wasn't making the cut with Martin. Yeah. It was crazy. The boyfriend. She had this boyfriend in the movie that was like

jacked brown dude. Six pack, ripped, on a yacht kind of guy and then at the end of the movie they show the real guy nerdy fat brown dude like glass like literally like tiny little like computer indian dude i was like that's so funny i got souped up she wasn't hot but like she knew how to dress like really well yeah she looked important or something yeah you were just like is there a hot chick under there i don't know

fuck yeah but like when with the being a german heiress it's like she's a lot cuter than i you know yeah gives you some points yeah shit all right buddy well we'll let you go and appreciate this i know it took a while those are really uh yeah if you guys ever want to do this again i don't know if there's a use case for that but like yeah totally i mean when you um when you uh if you only have a couple months left it'd be cool to come in the studio because you're in new york we're just in these village yeah no i would have two months less than two months yeah i would have loved to come and i'm sorry about the the restrictions but this uh ankle bracelet's not coming off so i forgot when it wins uh what we're like what do you have now to like where are people following you like you're

doing twitch streams and stuff like if you want on twitch i'm on youtube and all that i mean it's not hard to find me but it's the funniest part is is I'm on Twitter under ZK Enrique, which is Enrique, right? Yeah. It's my reggaeton personality. And Oh, I thought it had to do with like that. Ed knows. No, I kept trying to tell you that I got, it's not Enrique. It's it's to avoid the police and and gestapo because like so i i was like jack dorsey actually listens to this podcast though so yeah no he's cool uh it's just it's this one chick at twitter that's like the biggest sjw of all time basically she's like queen karen

and uh she just doesn't like me and um so i made this reggaeton personality who has songs he's got website he's got tour dates he's just like i've seen it you got that you have the nft profile too yeah it's like a deep fake person so like if they glance at it they're like yeah this looks like a singer it you know i'm trying to get him verified like I want to dress up as him and be like, what? It's Enrique, baby. That's so great. It's Enrique.

I get a photo with you wearing a dread cap and stuff like that. The cartoon does look like it. Yeah. It looks like it, kind of. The guy who did the deep fake kind of did a little morphing. Anyway, it was great to talk to you guys.