The Boyscast with Ryan Long - Roger Stone Did Nothing Wrong ft Roger Stone

Episode Date: July 10, 2020

Free Roger Stone!!!! Roger Stone is about to go to jail for stuff to do with the Russia Investigation. They also just deleted him from all of his social media. He talks about Russiagate, Social Media Depersoning, The Clintons, and more.  Patreon.com/theboyscast  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

And you can tell our friends, and they can have my things when we're dead But we don't end forever, but we don't end forever And you can tell our friends, and they can have my things when we're dead Today we have a special episode of The Boyscast So I already recorded an episode for this Friday, and I was going to be putting it out today But I got the opportunity to interview Roger Stone That was offered to me and this person is someone that he just got he just got deleted from facebook uh instagram twitter

he's they're trying to de-person him and he's supposed to be going to jail tuesday so it's something that we're going to get up super quick i mean he so if you don't know who roger stone is he's been involved in every presidential campaign in the history of America. He's the star of, you know, a Netflix documentary about him. He's the best-selling author. He's, you know, one of the most interesting people that ever lived. He's a real cowboy. And, you know, I got a chance to talk to him for an hour about what's happening with him. And he's the kind of linchpin of this whole Russia thing. And he was able to tell me what really happened and talk about the Clintons and all that sort of stuff. So I am going to be releasing that today, right now. So this is already Friday that I'm recording this.

But because I already recorded an episode, I'm still going to release that. So I'm going to release a second episode of the boys cast this Tuesday and then one the following Friday. So this is coming out today. Then that'll come out Tuesday. and then won the following Friday. So this is coming out today. Then that'll come out Tuesday. And without further ado, this is Roger Stone,

one of the most interesting men in the history of America. All right. Okay, Roger Stone in the building. How's it going? And you were just telling me, what's the tattoo? You got a dick on the front and the back? Yeah, I was in Santa Monica for my birthday, I don't know, 15 years ago. And I'd always thought about the possibility of having a tattoo, and in this case, a tattoo of Richard Nixon. And I did a little research. I went around and looked at various tattoo artists who had done portrait type stuff. I found a guy, a French guy, who was very good. And he did this tattoo of Nixon that's, you know, right

between my shoulder blades about the size of a pineapple. Yeah, which I've seen that. But for me, this is really not, even though I'm very political, it's not a political statement. What it is, is a reminder that on a daily basis in life, when you get knocked down, when things don't go your way, when you are disappointed and so on. You got to get up off the mat and get back in the game. The whole story of Nixon is a story of perseverance, a story of resilience. This guy got beat again and again and again, and then he made the greatest single comeback in American history. And even after they impeached him, he came back again. He had 10 bestselling New York Times bestselling books on

foreign policy, and he became a key advisor to President Bill Clinton. So, you know, that's really the lesson there. And that's why I admire him. From an ideological point of view. You know, he was a pragmatist. I'm probably a little more libertarian than he is. He launched the war on drugs, which I'm totally against. I want to legalize marijuana. And I've written about our differences. But but what I really admire about the guy was his toughness. The fact that he that he would just never give up in terms of achieving his goals. Right. And I mean, listen, that's a pretty positive attitude to have because you're going through it right now. Even just going through all your stuff, the last two years of your life is crazier than any movie on Netflix right now.

Yeah, it is because we have a broken judicial system, and we particularly had the totally illegitimate Mueller investigation, which we now know definitively based on recently declassified documents, had no legitimate legal reason for its beginning, had no evidence of any kind of collusion between the Russian state and the Trump campaign, was designed and set up for political purposes, which they failed in. And it was designed and set up to be complicated. I mean, listen, I'm like a, consider myself a decently smart guy. And I'm like, what is going on?

And then they get you on, you know, it's the classic thing where they, you know, they say that's one thing and then they interview for 10,000 hours and they're like, oh, is this other thing? I mean, this is like the biggest bait and switch in the history of the world. No, it's extraordinarily corrupt. Look, here's what we know. They knew by August of 2016, 2017, pardon me, there was no Russian collusion with the Trump campaign. They didn't even open the investigation into me until October, three months later.

It shows that it had a strictly political purpose. They don't like me because I have stuck my thumb in the eye of the political establishment. Yeah, I've been critical of the Bushes and the Clintons. I think they're all croaks. Yeah, I've been critical of Republicans and Democrats. I think they're all in it together. I'm a free thinker.

And they, they hate that when you challenge the accepted narrative. No, I don't think Lee Harvey Oswald killed John F. Kennedy and he acted alone. My first book, which is still a New York Times bestseller, outlines a very compelling case. But they don't like truth tellers. They don't like anybody who challenges the conventional wisdom.

I think that's a major reason why I have been targeted here. Yeah. And especially since everyone sort of talks about all this stuff, but then you've been there, you've seen it. So they can't say to you, Oh, that's just crazy. You're like, no, I've seen this stuff happen. I know these people, I know what they're capable of. And then now, so, well, you know, let's talk about, because I know that you were deplatformed from Facebook and like a really legitimate hit. But I mean, before that, where are you at right now? Are you supposed to

be going to jail on Tuesday? Is that what's going on? Well, I am. I mean, I guess the Facebook thing is kind of interesting. Facebook relied on a report from a company called Grafica, which is some kind of an internet research firm. It's an 80 page report. I got about three quarters away through it. It is mostly just total crap, just false. They're tying me to fake Facebook pages that I know nothing about, that I have nothing to do.

It's just made up. Well, the timing, too. And they weave in things you actually did do about which there's nothing wrong. Yeah, on my Facebook, pardon me, on my Facebook or my Instagram page, if a reporter wrote something about me that wasn't true, yeah, I called him out. Absolutely. Right. But that's what it's for. I mean, that's legitimate use and it's under my name. I've never had any social media platform in the name of someone else or in the name of something that wasn't real. Now,

have I set up Facebook pages for the promotion of my books? Yes. Have I set up Facebook pages for the promotion of political organizations that are legitimate that I have formed? Yes. But there's nothing untoward or unauthorized about that. The point of course is it's really about censorship. My idea is scare them. That's why they want you gone. That's why Parler is taking off like nothing I've seen. I've been on Parler, a new- Yeah, yeah. That's my next question. Well, one of my questions- I've got 70,000 followers. I think I posted three times. So you think Parler's taken off?

Think what I could have if I really worked at it. And there's liberals there. There's no censorship. You can say anything you want within reason. I mean, I don't think you can go around threatening to kill people, but within reason, there's no censorship. Censorship is dangerous. I oppose censorship. I don't care if you are the most far out, liberal, leftist, anarchist, you still have the right to speak. You still have the right to lay out your ideas. People are smart. They'll reject your ideas if they don't like them. But this idea that you have to be censored, that's an admission we can't win the argument. They're not interested in a dialogue or an argument.

They just want to silence you because they know they can't win a legitimate intellectual argument. And it also feels like with someone like you, for the last two years at least, you've just been put constantly on the defense. So they throw 10,000 things at you, and then, oh, you said this on Facebook, you did this and did this. And then eventually you're just constantly defending yourself.

So it's a difficult position to be in as well. Well, I mean, look, I'm hopeful that the next couple of days things will change. As of this minute, for some reason, I'm being treated, I have special treatment, you know. What do you mean by that? Well, the Democrats keep insisting that the Trump administration Oh, special bad treatment. shows me special treatment.

They absolutely do. Right. Comey, Clapper, Brennan, McCabe, Strzok, Page, Hillary, Mueller himself, Rosen, they all lied to Congress under oath about significant, meaningful matters with full intent. None of them were prosecuted. I made misstatements to Congress, but the misstatements I make don't hide any underlying crimes.

They're essentially immaterial. They're innocuous. If there's an email between Steve Bannon and I discussing a story in that morning's Washington Post that everybody in the world can read, what's nefarious about that? Why would you hide that? What reason would you have to hide that? So it's a frame job. It's a total frame job. And had I had an honest judge and an unbiased jury and honest prosecutors, maybe I would have been acquitted, but I feel very confidently my conviction will be overturned on appeal. My problem is I have to live long enough to appeal because

they want to send me to a prison in Georgia where COVID virus is now taking off, there's 20 cases in the last two weeks, five more among people who work there. Now, it's the official policy of the Department of Justice and the Bureau of Prisons that the inmates convicted of non-violent crimes be moved from prison to home confinement to protect them from Corona 19. Why doesn't that apply to me? It applies to Michael Avenatti. It applies to Michael Cohen, at least until he broke the rules and left his home. It applies to Rick Gates. It even applies to Paul Manafort. Why doesn't it apply to me? Well, it's simple. They'd like to kill me before

we get to appeal because on appeal, they're busted. It's all there. We're finally in a courtroom where everything is not controlled by Judge Jackson. And they don't want to be exposed for their activities. So yeah, I consider it a death sentence. If I go to that prison, I will never come out alive. And that's even if they don't Epstein me, which is entirely possible. Yeah, it seems like they're doing everything they can to make you disappear, right? But it's almost like you're the wrong person to try to make disappear because you're not going to do it. Well, you know, I'm a fighter. I'm a brawler.

I feel very strongly about my opinions. What I really hate, and I saw it again today, is Roger Stone self-described dirty trickster. Yeah, that's a big scam. Roger Stone, self-proclaimed dirty trickster. That's what they said on the FBI when they brought you to the house. I have never described myself that. I have never proclaimed myself that.

I actually beat a retraction out of the LA Times when they wrote it. Other people have called me that. I have acknowledged that other people call me that. I've said I guess I'm stuck with it because it's like, but I have never said it. So it's just a typical example of the of the fake news printing. This woman Sharon LaFontaine with the New York Times, she writes quote, the trial proved that Stone was the link between the Trump campaign and WikiLeaks. No, it didn't. Didn't prove anything of the kind. There was no evidence to indicate that. That's a false statement. Now, I've been doing this for

40 years. Here's how the rules of journalism work. If you're going to write about a person, let's say you, the reporter has an obligation to call you and give you a chance to comment. You can say, I don't want to comment. You cannot return their phone call if you want. But what they teach you in journalism school, the basic rules, are they're supposed to call you and ask for your side of the story. They don't do that at The Washington Post or The New York Times. They rarely do it at The Associated Press. The only two, they don't do it at CBS, they don't do it at CNN, they don't, they do do it at Fox, they do it at Bloomberg News, they do it at ABC.

That's it. No one else. People now feel they can write whatever they want about you, whether it's true or not true, but they don't even need to bother to call you for a comment. That's just wrong. That's just not the way it's supposed to work. We know he's the bad guy, so who gives a fuck? Or is it more nefarious where there's people, are these politicians involved with these companies like Facebook? It's all one. In other words, I couldn't tell you whether the ruling establishment controls the media or whether the media controls the ruling establishment, but they're all in it together and the opposition to me um i guess is i'm outspoken they disagree with me politically

uh i won't buckle under to their that's one of the reasons they don't like me uh and look i have my own personal style some people like like it. Some people don't like it. But here's the key thing. I'm not boring. Because if you're boring, let me give you a hint. No one will watch your podcast. Nobody will buy your books. Nobody will listen to anything you have to say. Don't tune in. If you don't like me, don't buy my books. That's fine. But to try to say he shouldn't be allowed to publish books, he shouldn't be allowed to have it, that's admission that they lost. Yeah, they already know you got the wrong opinion,

so let's just make a disappointment. I think maybe as soon as Saturday, I'm going to name the 10 worst journalists in America, and I'm going to take specific examples of their work to show why they're a-holes. I'm going to release that list. We'll have video on it. I might even buy some advertising in Washington, D.C. to run it as commercials because people need to know who tells the truth and who's full of it. Get a plane banner. There you go. So, okay. So if we're going back to the trial, I mean, the original stuff that they're accused of, which is basically it seems to me like they go,

your girlfriend's like, hey, you cheated, you know, and then you're like, I didn't. And then she's like, well, let me go through everything you've ever done. And then from 1994, she's like, well, I found this. You lied to me about how much this sweater cost. It's kind of the gist of what they tried to do to you, right? In other words, as I said, I did make misstatements to Congress, but they had no intent because they didn't hide any underlying crime.

It's not logical. The prosecutor says Roger Stone lied about the Trump campaign's interest in the WikiLeaks disclosures. Really? Donald Trump himself announced that interest on 142 occasions in September and October. So what motive would I have to hide this? The prosecutors in my case are a piece of work.

I mean, first of all, you're going to read over and over again that they were non-political career line prosecutors. That is a lie. So that's the biggest problem. It was the judge and the jury, right? Francis, who was assistant U.S. attorney, whose pants, by the way, are way too tight. This guy wears just awful. This guy worked as a hitman in the Obama White House for eight years.

That's not a prosecutorial job. Didn't he say he donated to the party? Yeah. How are they even allowed to be a judge if you're donating to parties? In a previous investigation into Congressman Rand Paul's investigation, he was accused of various abuses of power. This guy is a prick. But unfortunately, I'll be filing a formal complaint against him

for various things he did in my trial that were illegal and improper and with the bar. And I'm going to buy television advertising in DC so everybody knows I've accused him. I'm not afraid of these people. But the single worst piece of garbage is this guy, Aaron Zelinsky. This guy's a bully. 19 of my friends were dragged before the grand jury.

By the way, nothing they told them was used in my trial. But he was threatening people, poked them in the chest, bellow, I am the government. This guy's a jerk. He's just a jerk. And last week, when he testified for the House Judiciary Committee, he had to testify via Skype because of his deep concern about COVID-19. But it's okay with him if I go to a prison with COVID-19. but it's okay with him if I go to a prison with COVID-19. He's a pompous, arrogant bonehead. He kind of reminds me of Blutarski in Animal House. You can look at Aaron Zelensky and see what he had for lunch by looking at his tie. You went to Yale, dude, that means you're stupid.

It doesn't mean you're smart. You're a legacy. I don't know who this guy thinks he is, but by the time I'm finished, because of his actions, not only in my case, but the Papadopoulos case, he will be prosecuted, disbarred, and in jail. If I have to spend the rest of my life either in or out, he's going down because he's corrupt and I have the proof. A montage of you in prison just getting rid of this guy. Hey, is this the guy from that deposition that when i watched that uh you know there was kind of going viral but i assumed it was somewhat taken out of context but you were kind of flipping out on this guy and swearing

out of his stuff no that was a different thing so there's a gadfly by the by the name of uh uh larry clayman uh who's notorious for suing people. He sued his own mother. So he's a lawyer? Yeah, barely. Well, right now he's actually been suspended by the bar, so he's not a lawyer at this moment. Back in the 80s, he had a very brief period where he was pursuing illegal activities of the Clintons and he got a little bit of press coverage, but it bothers him that nobody cares today who he is or what he's doing. His track record in court is not all that great. Personality wise, you know, there's not much there. He's just an egomaniac and he claims that I defamed him. So he sued me for defamation. Now, the 11th Circuit said he molested his own children. Yeah, I saw you say that. You're dunking on him.

What could I say about the guy that is worse than that? But he wasted my time in a seven and a half hour deposition. The folks at Politico, this guy, Josh- Take a minute of it. Josh Gerstein, not even a minute. Josh Gerstein, another lowlife, he takes a tiny bit out of it, which is not representative of what happens. And he puts it on the air to try to put me in a false light. Let me ask you a question. If some lawyer asked you the same question nine times in a row and was wasting your time, would you get angry? I think you might. I think you might. Now, let's get to the specifics. I call this guy an asshole. He says that's defamatory.

This is the last guy, not this guy. This is back to the original. The lawyer in the deposition, I called him an asshole. He says that's defamatory. I say truth is a defense. Let's get in front of a jury. They will see immediately that you are an asshole and I will be acquitted. Let's go. Yeah. It's, it's, it seems like all of this is that it's a subjective judgment. I'm entitled to my opinion. Everybody who's ever met this guy virtually agrees with me. And then he released the deposition, you know, I guess to try to embarrass me in the middle of the, position, you know, I guess to try to embarrass me in the middle of this entire thing. Here's his problem. He's nobody. He'll never be anybody. He loses in court more than he wins. And he has to point back 20 years for an accomplishment. He was the founder of Judicial Watch. He started it. He set up the board. His own people threw him out. Today, Judicial Watch is very successful under the leadership of a guy named Tom Fitton. Now,

I've never met Tom Fitton but one time. I met him backstage at an event. We shook hands in passing. That's it. I said that in the deposition. Clayman said, you're lying. You email with him. You phone call with him. You met with him. No, sorry, Larry, but this is easy. Stop bullshitting. Present the proof of any of that. And if you don't have it, stop wasting my time. Right. Anyway.

Yeah, they just grill you and grill you until you say something wrong. Right. So what was the, what did they say? Why did they say you were doing witness tampering? What's that? This is an absurdity. But they have to add something to your charges that seems outrageous. To be clear, Randy Credico, who is a, was a progressive talk show host, leftist, but a friend of mine, because we agreed on drug policy,

because we're both against the war on drugs. And New York State's drugs laws were particularly draconian, ridiculous. You know, a person who gets caught with a small amount of marijuana goes away for 25 years. And the judge has no discretion. It's a mandatory penalty. So I'm against that.

And so it's, hey, we worked together on that issue. He was the one who came to me and said two simple things. Whatever it is that Assange has, which he announced on in June, on CNN with Anderson Cooper, it's big, and it will come in October. That's all he really told me. Now, sometimes he would say it's dynamite. Sometimes he would say it was kryptonite. Sometimes he would say it was spectacular. Sometimes he said it would ruin our campaign. But those are the two things I know. Yeah, I turned over 30 pages of text messages to this office of special counsel that prove exactly what I said. There were at least three exculpatory witnesses who Randy told directly that he was my source that they chose to ignore that also.

directly that he was my source that they chose to ignore that also they claimed that in an email that I threatened to steal his dog and that's witness tampering well in an email in an email he threatened a guy named David Lugo who was also called to the grand jury and said if you contradict my testimony I'm going to shoot you in the head. Right. Why wasn't he indicted for witness tampering? So were you being hyperbolic when you said? If you saw the previous email, it says, hey, Randy, I can see the ribs on your dog. Are you feeding the dog or are you using what little money you have for your other habits?

I'm going to call the ASPCA. I'm a dog lover. I've taken in an incredible number of strays. I've got two dogs here now. I've had as many as six at a time. Yeah. And to his credit, Credico said on the stand, he was never really going to steal my dog. I never took that seriously.

I didn't feel threatened. He also said it in a letter to the judge. But Stone convicted a witness tampering. It's character assassination. Believe me, they wouldn't bother if I wasn't effective. If I hadn't beaten Hillary's ass, I wouldn't be here right now. And you're the guy who wrote that whole book on the Clintons, right? So I did. It's an amazing book. You should get it. The Clintons War on Women. Basically, it's a very simple theory. Bill Clinton has sexually assaulted dozens and dozens and dozens of women. And he's not running for president. So you could argue that old history, ancient history,

but Hillary is the one who hires the nasty private detectives and the heavy handed lawyers who threaten these women who bully them into silence. So they don't screw up either one of their electoral possibilities. So you can't be an advocate for women. If you're out threatening and bullying and intimidating women. That's the whole premise of the book. How much have you seen this? Like, have you ever had, you know, you, everyone here is about all the Clinton stuff and you're obviously super close to it, but what's the extent to like, would you have actually seen some of this stuff? And also has anyone in the Clinton administration been like, you got to stop talking about this? Well, there's a very large, large

number of people around the Clintons who have showed up dead, as you probably know. That's what I'm asking. Yeah. Well, if I show up on that list, you'll know what happened. I think you got a couple of people that would like you to show up on that list. Well, guess what? I hate to disappoint them, but not today. Yeah. Hell yeah. So look, you asked me, do these things go on in politics? Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Not everybody. I'm not saying every public servant and everybody in politics is corrupt.

That's not true. There are some who are honest and work very hard to do a good job for their constituents who work with integrity and believe in something and stick to those beliefs and use those beliefs to guide their voting record and the projects they get involved in. There's a lot of good people in politics. In both parties, by that way. But we've now gotten to a point where it's really changed.

When I lived in Washington and I worked as a political consultant, I had many, many, many friends who were Democrats. And we would eat together. We'd drink together. We would tease each other. We would bust each other's chops. But there was still a professional comity among us. Richard Nixon, who had really nurtured the career of George H.W. Bush, since George H.W. Bush could never seem to win an election, had appointed him to a succession of important jobs. When George H.W. Bush got elected president, he never once invited former president Nixon to the White House. Not once, which is kind of insulting since Nixon had saved his ass

so many times. When Clinton became president, Nixon wanted very badly to be invited to the Clinton White House, specifically because he wanted to talk to the president. Look, they didn't call him Dick for no reason, but at that point in his age, he wanted to talk to Clinton about recent trips he had had to China and Russia and report back what he had learned, stuff that would help the country. And I was able to contact two of my friends who were Democrats, who were close to Clinton, and get that arranged. Because they were friends of mine even though we even though we didn't agree on anything today that would never happen not in a million

years because so yeah you've been at this long enough like because it feels like everyone feels like this is crazy it's never been like this but then there's the other part of you that's like ah it always kind of is in your opinion this is an unprecedented time of clamping down on speech and polarization. And you've never seen it like this before? No, never. Even in 1968, when the country was deeply polarized over the war in Vietnam. Yeah. Or in the 70s.

Even over wars, it's never been like this. Why is that? Easy. We had no internet. That's why. That's it. The internet turbo charges everything. Look, the government insisted for 50 years that Lee Harvey Oswald killed John Kennedy acting alone. That's it.

If you disagreed with that, if you did an enormous amount of research and you disagreed with that, nobody would publish your book. Nobody would have you on their radio show. None of the network TVs would ever interview you. You had nowhere to go. Now, because of the free exchange of ideas in the marketplace of the internet, 71% of Americans in the last Gallup poll do not believe that Lee Harvey Oswald

killed Kennedy and acted alone. They don't believe it. They don't. And they're right. But that's a different question. So the immediacy of the internet has really changed everything about our politics and about the country. And those who let this become legal realized that it did nothing but lead to the election of Donald Trump,

which is now why they want to put the toothpaste back in the tube by censoring everybody. Yeah. Well, okay. So I know you're like a libertarian kind of at your core and stuff like that. So I feel there is always this dilemma, right? With your, like a Liberty guy where you go, all right, well, you know, companies should be able to do whatever they want, but you don't want the government to get involved. But these companies are censoring everyone in a, in a way, in a way that they're all combining and doing at the same time. So what do you think the solution is? Because if the government gets involved now, you just have a government monopoly on censoring.

I don't think we have any choice because I believe free speech, I'm against regulation, but I'm more for free speech than I am against regulation. The telephone companies are privately owned, but we regulate those. Otherwise, you could get a telephone, but your neighbor may not be able to have a telephone. Yeah, but wouldn't it be more closer to saying like television and radio and the FCC? Like that's what more it would look like if the government started bodies that was censoring people. But cable is completely and totally unregulated today.

You know, I think the problem with the internet giants, people have tried to challenge them on First Amendment grounds. They haven't been successful. Where they're vulnerable is their monopolistic activities, their antitrust activities. You can't both be the town square and then tell some people you can't come to the town square. I guess they're saying they're not the town square, right? Who knows what they say? Their rules are so realistically elastic that they apply for some and not others. I'm a pioneer. I was kicked off Twitter two years ago.

Yeah. Keith Olbermann, the ultimate jerk off. This guy can call for the violent assassination of Donald Trump, and he's still got the little blue check. I hurt Jake Tapper's feelings, and they banned me for life. It's ridiculous. But here's the other point. I had a hundred and I don't know, somewhere around 140, 150,000

followers on Facebook, on my Stone Cold Truth, my blog page. And I had maybe 50,000 close to it on my personal page. They were so heavily shadow banning me. I wasn't reaching anybody anyway. So I didn't really lose all that much. And they've gotten busted on all that stuff. I mean, you know, the canceling is one thing, you know, there's obviously two parts of it that should be just distinguished, but it's insane when they go, you know, let's, this person said something wrong, let's ruin her life.

And that's always been there a little bit, but the, the depersoning, you know, which is what's happening to you and Alex Jones, where we're like, let's make this person not exist. That's the scarier part. Yeah, I couldn't agree with you. My friend Laura Loomer, who's running for Congress in a district just north of here, has been banned on every possible outlet because she continues to talk about the legitimate issue of the dangers

of islamic radical terrorism and they know that's a no-no topic pretend it doesn't exist and she refused and she's quite knowledgeable she's quite articulate now she's running for congress but they have made her you know a non-person she's a non-person which is, you know, really problematic in my view. So. Have you talked to Alex Jones about any of this stuff? Cause he's, he's got to have some experience and what to do when they make you disappear. I know he's your guy, right? We are, we are certainly friends, but we disagree on, I mean, for example,

I'm pro marijuana. He's not. Oh, right. I thought he would be. He's not a libertarian. He's more of a traditional conservative, which to each his own. So I'm Canadian originally. So I've seen it happen in Canada where it was a very popular thing.

Because I know you've said that a lot of politicians, there would be a huge popular platform for anyone. See, here's the thing I don't understand. If I went on, say, CNN, and I've been on CNN many times, does that mean I agree with everything Wolf Blitzer has ever said? Of course not. I'm only responsible for what I say.

But if you appear at InfoWars, he's on from 12 to 2. If you're on InfoWars by yourself at 5 o'clock, oh, you're a, you're a, you know, you're, what's the killing in Connecticut? You're a, you know, you're a denier of Sandy Hook. I've never said a word about Sandy Hook. I mean, back in the day. based on everything I've seen, it appears to be a horrific, real tragedy. But I haven't studied it, but that's my impression. But just because you're on that network, it is assumed that everyone there shares the same view. But we don't say that about CNN. By the way, Wolf Blitzer, the worst breath of anyone you've ever met in your entire life.

People used to interview serial killers on, you know, 2020 programs. And that was very normal. Now it's, if you email, I got interview a guy that likes Trump. They're like, you're, you're fired from your position of your fake journalism job. But what's the, what's the thing that has gotten you in the most trouble online? Personally, cause you said for her, it was the Islam stuff for you. As the Clinton stuff, what's the thing that put you really on the hit list?

Or is it your Trump support? Because that seems to be enough. You probably know, during my trial, when I was getting rained on by the mainstream media, I posted an image of the judge that in the upper left corner has the logo of the organization that created the image and their name yeah central if you look at their images of joe biden or kamala harris wait this

wasn't the scope thing is that we're talking about there is no scope thing okay but that's what you're talking about right i just read that now have you ever held a rifle in your hand with a scope? Do you know what it looks like? Well, this doesn't look like one. Okay. The left-hand corner, very tiny. There's the logo of the organization that created the image. The graphic artist who built it tells me in an affidavit that it is based on a Celtic cross.

Okay. in an affidavit that it is based on a Celtic cross. But some reporter at BuzzFeed, who's never held a rifle with a scope in their hands in their life, decides it's a crosshair. By the end of the day, it's stone superimposed across here over the judge's face. Well, the judge's face is here, and this thing is a speck in the upper left-hand corner. But once a media feeding frenzy starts, there's no stopping it.

They don't give a shit. They'll say anything. No, and look, I said, look, I apologize for posting an image that was subject to interpretation. It was not my intention to threaten anybody. But nobody carries your quote. No. Oh, he apologized.

Yeah, I did because – which is what i read i read that it happened and you apologized and you're like no it's not what happened and i did say that it was stupid what was stupid was not what looking at it closely enough to recognize how it might be misinterpreted i just took a picture so but i can prove it's not a crosshair if anybody wants to get there. I wasn't charged with that, by the way. So, but it's now like it becomes a factoid. Oh, Stone threatened a federal judge. No, I didn't.

Here's why. The government can say it with impunity. The next person who says it, who's not in the government, I'm going to sue them. Because I want the decision to prove once and for all that this is not true. Have you ever sued anyone in the media where it worked out that you had a big W

on one of these people? Generally speaking, I don't believe in that. But the role of the media has changed very, very dramatically from what it was. To propaganda. It didn't used to be like this. I mean, look, I grew up, since I grew up in rural Connecticut, I read the New York Times every morning. I thought it was the greatest newspaper

in the world. It did lean to the left, but you know, they got the basic facts right. Today, it's total fiction. The front page is almost 100% BS. They just write things that aren't true, for which they have no documentation as a matter of course it's really sad to see america's greatest newspaper become a piece of crap yeah it is a piece of crap and they have no shame blurring the opinion and fact sections into you know which is which and and they um they and by the way that's not to say that there aren't good reporters there who i know i'm unfriend with. They've got a number of reporters. No, there's people there that are sick of this shit.

I mean, I make videos making fun of these places, and a lot of people will message me saying that. They'll go, oh, my friend at Fox or CNN. Here's the good news for the people of the New York Times. They can take solace in the fact that they don't work in the worst newspaper in the world because that would be the Washington Post. Oh, there's some pretty bad ones out there. But those ones, the Washington Post, those ones have no shame. Like even when they were saying this place needs to take down George Washington, it's like, that's your name. Like, what are you talking about? Who do you think? Well, I mean, most of these people, they're mentally ill. They're literally deranged.

They hypnotize themselves about the Russian collusion hoax. It's insanity. And then when it's completely disproved, they just won't accept the proof. They keep repeating the same crap again and again. Jerry Nather, this guy, there's something clinically wrong with him. He's mentally deranged. He keeps repeating things that didn't happen that we now know didn't happen, but they can't stop themselves. It's really odd. They're just in too deep.

They were strong about so much stuff about COVID. They were all in on net neutrality. There's so many things you can look at where you go, your entire organization, this was you 24-7 for six months. And then it was like clear cut. You're wrong. Russia is a huge one. And then you go, and then they go, I don't know, whatever. Like, then they just move on. Like, whatever, it's still bad. They tried to argue it on the mayor.

Oh, well, wait a minute. What about the Russian troll fund? The Russian, please give me a break. Yeah, yeah. $300,000 worth of ads in a $6 billion campaign. And if you read the ads, whoever wrote them, English was clearly not their first language. They don't even make sense.

Oh, the Russian coal farm. Give me a break. They see themselves as like a detective in this movie where they know the guy was like the mob boss and they're just waiting to take him down. And they got to use dirty tricks. You know, that's just how they see themselves. It's actually worse than that.

They're hypnotized into believing their own bullshit. There's the real problem. They actually believe that they're you're they're right. And you're wrong. And you're wrong. Yeah. Regardless of the facts. It's a, it's an odd time in America. It's insanity. Yeah, it really is. I mean, look, if, if I should be lucky enough to, you know,

either get a commutation of sentence or to get a pardon, or even if I go do time and I survive and I don't die of COVID, I think when I get out, I'm going to open a shelter for, you know, abandoned animals. Abused journalists? Politics sucks. Maybe that's what I'm going to do. Right.

So where's that at right now? journalists? Politics sucks. I just, maybe that's what I'm going to do. Cause I love it. So, so, so where's that at right now? So you're, as of now, you're looking at going Tuesday. You're hoping that Donald Trump will pardon you, but you, you never really get,

you can never really say whether or not you talked to him. He can just commute my sentence, which allowed me to fight on through appeal. Oh, so that's, that's all you want right now is like, let me stay home and fight it from here. That would make me the happiest person in the world.

You couldn't pardon me, but I don't think that's a requirement. A pardon... Because you're innocent. That's why you say you don't need a pardon. A pardon essentially acknowledges guilt. When you accept a pardon, you're acknowledging guilt. When you accept the commutation of your sentence, you get to fight on and prove your innocence in an appeal. I want the opportunity to do that.

I guess the only downfall is the amount of money that's going to cost you, right? I'll raise it. I raised it so far and I will keep raising it because there's a lot of- Yeah, that's stonedefensefund.com, right? Stonedefensefund.com. There's a lot of people out there who know I got screwed 65 000 individuals have now given yeah more than once and you know it doesn't matter if it's five dollars or five hundred dollars it all helps uh and i will keep raising money uh until i can get justice okay so like the one question is with the going to jail tuesday have you been training in case you do sort of like a big Rob situation if you've seen no sort

of like a big stand situation with Rob Schneider if you've seen that movie I would never watch any he gets in shape and learns karate pretty quickly I'm in look I'm in pretty good shape yeah and it's in God's hands you know it's in God's hands I think it will all work out and I think justice will ultimately be done. Hell on earth having to deal with all this stuff from there. Right. Guarantee if I go in and I survive, I'm going to come out shredded, shredded. Hell yeah. So the two, you come out like,

you come out as like an Islamist, you're like a black Israeli now. That's unlikely, but. But the, okay. The, just to go back to the trial For two seconds though So the one that The two big things That were That were screwing you Was essentially

The judge Which we talked about Was you know This guy's like a Straight up like Never Trumper almost And then the jury Wasn't there something

Going on with the jury as well? How about the makeup Of the jury? This would be like This would like being somebody who is Jewish being tried by an all Nazi juror. Right. There was, every juror in this case was a Democrat.

And in most cases they were Trump haters. There were no Republicans, no military veterans, no libertarians, no independents. So- How do they get that? How do they pick those people in the first place? It's up to the judge who can be struck and who can't. The judge ruled before my case that I could not mount a defense based on the misconduct of the special counsel, the FBI, the DOJ, or any member of Congress. That's completely unconstitutional. Right. But I couldn't raise their bad

deeds, of which there are many. The judge ruled I could not argue selective period of persecution. You can't say in front of the witness, Comey, Mueller, Brennan, Hillary, McCabe, all these people lied and they weren't

charged, but I was. No, you can't raise that. The underlying premise of my indictment, the Russians hacked the DNC and stole the WikiLeaks documents. There is no proof of that whatsoever, but there is forensic proof and expert testimony that can prove that it didn't happen, that there was no online hack, that the information was more likely downloaded to a portable drive and stolen. I don't know by who. I don't even want to guess by who. But she would not let me call those witnesses. I was prohibited.

So it's like going into a boxing match with both hands tied behind your back and then the critics on the sidelines say, well, he never threw a punch. Yeah, yeah. Wasn't there a juror that had a specific beef with you that was even caught online talking shit to you? Saying stuff about you years before or something? Well, the jury for woman was the most prominent of them. She attacked

me consistently through 2019. And then she hit it. And then when we made a motion for reconsideration and the jury foreman went on the stand, but in all honesty, Judge Jackson then acted more like her defense attorney than the judge. So she kept preventing us from asking any tough questions. Yeah, really. You know, so for example, as I may have said, she had linked a story online that talked about my indictment,

but she said in jury questioning, she didn't know what I had been indicted for and wasn't really clear who I was. And the judge said, well, just because she linked the story doesn't mean she read it. Yeah. Does that make sense? No, of course not. Exactly. And even still, or another one, she said in a tweet, all of Donald Trump's supporters are racists. My lawyer said, yeah, you're like the guy that did his campaign. Mr. Stone is a supporter of Donald Trump. Does that mean that he's a racist?

The judge stopped him right there and says, there's no reason to believe that Ms. Hart knew that Mr. Stone was associated with Donald Trump. It's a Netflix documentary. Right. Let's get to appeal, please. It's crazy. They're ridiculous. I mean, this Russia stuff, I think for a lot of people,

was kind of like, they're going to hang their hat on this is the number one thing, and it's so obvious this is over and everyone's still in. But you're the centerpiece of this whole thing. But here's why they do. What you can always tell is they will always project on you what they are doing. The people around Hillary Clinton made hundreds of millions from the oligarchs around Putin.

Aluminum, mining, insurance, banking, diamonds, oil and gas. The Clintons themselves, as you know, took a huge amount of money from Russia to approve the transfer of 20% of our enriched uranium rights. Right. They were paying Bill hundreds of thousands of dollars for speeches. So they always project on you that which they are doing. Yeah. Thing to remember. The best way to get people off the track of our Russian collusion is to accuse those guys of Russian collusion.

It happens again and again and again. I'm not cheating. You're cheating. Or, you know, these white supremacists, that's defined as anybody who supports Donald Trump, they're violent. Really? We're violent? Go look at the pictures in the street. It's the BLM people going around shooting people and beating people, but we're violent. We're intolerant. They want to take me off of Facebook because they don't like what I say, but I'm the one who's intolerant. It's absurd. It's ridiculous. But it's where we are. We shall see how things fold out through the next election. We'll see how things fold out beyond that. My personal belief, the next election will be decided in how things fold out beyond that my personal belief the next election will be decided in the courts not just court but in why is that because the democrats do will do

what they do best cheat and you will not have an honest election what's going on with joe biden why is he there do they just want him to lose like well like your political strategist what the hell they doing they needed to stop Bernie Sanders. That's it, and he's the only guy? Look, I respect Bernie Sanders because he doesn't... He tells you exactly what he is. Look, I'll tell you, I'm a communist. I'm a socialist. I'm a collectivist.

Yeah. I love Fidel Castro. I think, you know, I think Maduro's great. He took his honeymoon in Moscow At least he's honest and tells you what he is Yes And they needed to stop him Because they knew he was another George McGovern They knew he would go down in flames

And the only guy left around was Joe Biden Who, in all honesty, on Thursdays He thinks he's a chicken He has no idea what's going on around him Right So you don't think this is a master of a plan of any sort where they go oh this is this is not like deep state meddling to put a bad candidate in this is this is what he was the only candidate available uh at the time to stop burning

now he's not nominated yet right well he's clearly not in good health you still think the clintons have a few more tricks up their sleeve well i Well, I'm not saying that somebody will murder him, but what if he has a stroke and he can't be the candidate? Then the Democratic National Convention gets to replace him. The Democratic National Committee gets to replace him with another nominee. Many of my friends who are Democrats, and yes, I still have a few, they're not happy with him as a nominee. They recognize he's a weak nominee.

They would like someone else, but they can't find, there is no way at this point to get someone else unless he withdrew or he were, God forbid, to pass away. Do you see it as it used to be kind of more corrupt on the right ever and maybe now more corrupt on the left? Or do you see it as the Clintons and the Bushes and this kind of comp and that's the root of it? The right-left thing is a Hegelian device to distract us from the fact that the elites are screwing the little people. Right-left doesn't make any difference.

Republican-Democrat doesn't make any difference. It doesn't. It's the elites versus the outsider, the little people. That's the divide in Washington. So who are the elites? Who are the elites? The Bushes, the Clintons, the Obamas. Those are the elites.

Is there a lot of people higher than that that you've never heard of? Or they really are kind of the leaders? Well, I mean, you know, the bankers, the Rothschilds, the Rockefellers, you know, I mean, it's everybody you suspect it was. It's the defense contractors. It's the oil companies. I mean, we have what Eisenhower called the military industrial complex. And their first concern is not the welfare of the average American, to say the least.

Otherwise, maybe we wouldn't be manufacturing all of our medicines and all of our medical devices in China. How much sense does that make from a security point of view? So what's the way to crack that up? Were you hoping that Trump... So obviously, the hope was that Trump was going to crack that up, but do you feel like- We now have graphic evidence that it's a problem. So my guess is that it will now get fixed. Why don't we give tax incentives to people who manufacture here? Here's a good way to start. Yeah. What do you think, just I'll let you go on about five minutes, but what do you think happens with the Epstein-Gislein thing?

You know, kind of being someone that knows all these people, and I'm sure, I don't know if you've met Epstein or how well you know these people. Ironically, if you read my book, The Clinton's War on Women, the thickest, longest chapter is on Jeffrey Epstein. Oh, so you were ahead of the game on this. I think some tremendous work was done by a writer named Nick Bryant, who wrote some great stories for Gawker before they went out of business. He was really the first American journalist to kind of figure it out. I really expanded it because I dug into the Epstein-Clinton connection. So I reported that Bill had been on the plane 28 times and he'd been to the island 17 times. Yeah. Having an affair with Ghislaine Maxwell, which he was.

And that Epstein had provided some of the seed money for the Clinton Global Initiative. I mean, it's all there. Right. And you've called Hillary, you've said the Clinton Foundation's a big total scam, you know, from the bottom up too, right? It's a slush fund for grifters. You know, it's not a charity. It's a slush fund for grifters and it was a vehicle for the facilitation of multi-million dollar bribes yeah so what happens

with just lane i mean do you think she disappeared what do you think happens well um i guess that boils down to the question of whether she has an insurance policy oh man in other words if she has some info that you you know, they can. Look, we know just from watching, following the story that hundreds of videotapes and other records, photographs were removed from both the mansion in New York and the compound in the Virgin Islands. Now, where is that stuff now? Has it been destroyed? Is it in an evidence locker? But here's the real question did jizz lane have her own little stash someplace where she can simply say if anything happens to me yeah yeah

this is coming out everybody it's like in a movie man it's crazy it really is i'm kind of disappointed in bill she's not that hot but then his taste was not that good so slick willie doesn't seem to care you were the one you were pretty hard on saying that Bill's son, what's the guy's name? The black dude? Yes, Danny Williams is most definitely Bill's son. Right. Is there any others or is it just him?

Say again? No, that's the only one I know of, but Danny Williams is Bill's son. He looks like him. He sounds like him. He talks like him. He's a very good kid. He just wants to know who his father is.

To his credit, Bill Clinton supported him up until he was about 13 years old. What would he do? So he would give him money? He'd send cash. He'd send cash. How is that not... Oh, it's cash, though, so it's not traceable.

And he would have an Arkansas state trooper deliver it. I interviewed three of them. How much would he get, do you think? How much was he getting a year? $700 a month. $700 a month? Every month. So not that much, but something.

In Arkansas, it's a lot. Okay, okay. And it's in the 70s, early 70s. So slick willy. What a weird life for that guy to know that his dad's dead. And my book tells you everything you need to know about Bill, Hillary, and Hillary and Webb Hubble's daughter, Chelsea. Yeah, so you're saying they're one of the most corrupt organizations of all time.

There's no question about it. One of the things that, and it seemed like it was coming up everywhere, which may be a tiny thing, but how much is it, how much has it been a problem for you with all the censorship and cancellations, your relationship with Gavin McInnes and the proud boys stuff? Cause that seems like it keeps coming up to hit you. Yeah. That's a smear. I mean, I speak and travel and do a lot of book signings and a lot of public speaking. Have guys who are in the Proud Boys come up to me and ask for a picture? Yes.

Have I sat down in a bar and drank with some of them? In some cases, not even knowing that they're affiliated with that organization. Other places, but saying, hey, it's a free country. You know, I know a couple proud boys in D.C. They're great guys. They're both black. Yeah, I know. It's funny.

So this whole racist thing. Now, wait a minute. What about- Because you hire them for security. We actually had that too. We did a free speech show and Antifa stopped it. The point is,

they're accused of being terrorists. What's BLM? Are those just well-meaning patriots? Yeah. Give me a break. So, you know, I would not tolerate any talk around me that I objected to. I broke with Reagan over the fact that he would not extend the Voting Rights Act. I'm the only Republican left who still argues for affirmative

action. And I've been against the war on drugs mostly because it falls to disproportionately on black people we're incarcerating millions of black people who aren't violent criminals we're just pretty easy problem to solve too right yeah simple stroke of a pen so you know stones are racist you don't know anything about me if you say that nothing about me yeah i'm being a conservative who's for affirmative action you get destroyed no you don't fit into the boxes right exactly i don't like people like that i'm trying to get i don't know if you know who he is but marcus garvey is someone i became fascinated with he was a very early civil rights leader in the 20s uh he was he was brilliant. He formed his own organization. And what he preached was self-reliance. We need to build ourselves up and free enterprise.

And he had a huge following. He was very popular in America. And therefore, he became a big threat to the power establishment, particularly FBI. So they railroaded this guy and they sent him to prison. He was a great man. I want President Trump to issue a posthumous pardon to clear his name. There are statues of him in New York City. That's the second pardon that he should put. I mean, he was Martin Luther King before Martin Luther King was Martin Luther King.

He was one of the greatest civil rights leaders. He's one of the greatest leaders of all time. I've been working on this for years. It's just because I was in the Strand bookstore in New York City, and I found a used book about him, and I bought it for 25 cents or 75 cents. And it was amazing. His story is amazing. He came from nothing. He built a huge fortune. He had a cruise ship company. He was a black capitalist. He preached capitalism to raise his people. So again, just another example of people having no idea what I really think, but putting a label on you, you know, it's annoying. Well, man, thanks for coming on. I hope that people donate money And I hope that

D-Trump sends the pardon your way Because that would be perfect End the whole thing, but if not I hope you don't have to spend your sentence in the prison Because that would be a scam too I agree, let's see what happens It's all in God's hands I appreciate being here

And you think that And your last thing is you say that Parler's coming up. That's where people got to go. Get on Parler right now. That's what's up? Yeah, look, Twitter's over. Because once you took out all the conservatives, it's all one-sided.

There's no repartee. There's no debate. There's nothing lively about it. It's just libtards screaming at each other. It's just, it's an ocean of hate. What's the chances that, uh, Not fun. Yeah. Facebook, you know,

I always kind of looked at it as better for your grandparents who want to look at pictures of the grandkids and stuff, but it was, I did very well selling books there. Okay. Which means I have damages. So, you know, I, I, so you know but but i was so shadow banned i have 165 000 followers that means 5 000 people are getting facebook's garbage they're clamped they clamp down so hard on everything with all that stuff they that was one of the biggest second biggest bait and switches in history they're very rich losing money how interesting yeah if donald trump goes on parlor that would change the game for sure.

I think he should do. I really think he should do. Yeah. That's the best way to reach his supporters. Well, you can also start a TikTok, Roger Stone, and people would appreciate that. I need it. I'm not doing it.

Or an OnlyFans. Okay. All right. I'm going to move on to mine. Yeah. Thank you so much for coming, and I hope everyone supports you at stonedefensefund.com. And good luck with your trial.

Nice to meet you. Peace.