The Boyscast with Ryan Long - Sean Avery on Old Controversy vs New Controversy, Covid, and Life

Episode Date: April 9, 2021

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And you can tell our friends, and they can have my things when we're dead But we don't live forever, but we don't live forever And you can tell our friends slavery, the original wild man. If you guys don't remember, go watch a compilation of him right now. This guy was crazy. We talked a lot about the difference between, you know, being controversial then and controversial now and all the different sort of things. But before I want to do the interview, there's a couple, couple quick housekeeping things. So you speak, not that any of us are doing the housekeeping. Oh, ho, ho. I'm officially retiring from talking about pegging because a lot of people were saying that I was obsessed with it. But I will say that the final thing was that someone had the funniest comment.

And so in the pegging video, underneath it, someone said, When a girl asks me if I want to get pegged, I always say the same thing that Al Bundy says. No peg. Pretty solid. girl asked me if I want to get pegged I always say the same thing that Al Bundy says no peg pretty solid and you know a lot of people have been we haven't talked that much about it but everyone's been loving Danny on the podcast and people have been hitting me up so he's coming back in a week and tomorrow and I am going to be searching for studios in New York we're probably going to add a producer so if anyone any recommendations, the boys guys with Ryan long at gmail.com because I hate money. So we're going to set up a bad-ass studio in New York exclusively for the boys. And I'm going out

tomorrow and I'm going out cash in hand, ready to put the money down on a lease. So that's cool. A lot of cool things happening. And Danny's going to be coming on as co-host. We're going to be figuring all that stuff out. But for today, interview with the original wild man, Sean Avery. The boys cast with special guest Sean Avery, which, by the way, I didn't realize. So you're from Pickering, right? I'm from Pickering. Well, yeah, I wasn't born there, but we moved there when I was 15. So my parents still live there.

Yeah, mine too. And you played for the Panthers? I didn't play for the Panthers. I played in Markham. Yeah, but my dad coached the Panthers, I think, a couple of years, the Junior B team or junior a team there my dad told me that he was like you know he's from pickering because i did uh yeah so i i grew i went to pickering high school and then uh my hockey career ended at the ajax knights

double a so right i didn't know i didn't know that you uh I didn't know you grew up there you went to high school there the whole time yeah I went to so I went to Lincoln Alexander then I went to Pickering High School and you know the the Pickering Arena right beside the skate park that was my stomping grounds for skateboarding and getting kicked out of uh the Pickering Town Center right and then I moved to New York like a year and a half ago. But no, I was in Toronto my whole, you know, whatever life before that. Right. Oh, wow. It's a small world.

Yeah. Not too many people have made it out of there. No, it is funny. The people that are still there and you go back and you go, oh, you guys are still doing this. Just at the one or two bars that are kicking around and pickering in Ajax. Yep. Yep. So I saw you kind of talking about this

because i don't know if you like the extent to which you follow toronto stuff but the rob ford so i've been in miami and people from toronto comedians and stuff are messaging me like oh we just locked down again and you go this is crazy but you were talking about that Doug Ford. Yeah, it's fucking wild. I mean, you know, first of all, it's two different worlds. I mean, I'm in California now. California's open and California is the most democratic state. So you would think, and then I came from New York. But the fact that Ontario just shut down again, it just, it doesn't, I can't comprehend it. You know what I mean? We're a year

into this thing or a year and a half. And like the whole vaccine thing, I mean, you know, first of all, I don't even know if the vaccines work and everybody's putting all their eggs into this vaccine thing. I mean, I had COVID, my wife had COVID, my three month old had COVID. I mean, I had COVID. My wife had COVID. My three-month-old had COVID. It's unavoidable. I don't think that this thing is ever going to be something that you can avoid.

I think it has to run its course. But the fact that they're on lockdown again and the fact that, you know, Toronto police are walking around handing people fucking tickets for not wearing a mask outside is just, tickets for not wearing a mask outside is just it's almost comical at this point that people are actually would actually accept a ticket from a police officer for not wearing a mask outside i mean yeah i just be like fuck off yeah i would like that's i would say you can either arrest me and we'll take it to that that route or you can just fuck off and take that ticket and shove it up your ass and go be ashamed of yourself at lunch that you're actually trying to do this. You're actually trying, and I don't know if it's a,

I mean, whether or not they made it a law still doesn't mean that Canada must have a constitution of some sort. I don't think that like Canada must have a constitution of some sort. Like, I don't think that legally Canadians have to be forced to wear a mask outside. I mean, I, I, you're outside, you're not in a, in a business. So who knows, but it's, it's crazy. Yeah. Their constitution right now is white fragility. I believe that's what, right. Right. Everyone's a racist.

And yeah. Sort of the governors there had, there was a moment where basically Cuomo did the same thing here. Like all you had to do was tell people to, you make like cute videos. You go, listen, everybody stay home. And he was like, Doug Ford was baking in his house and stuff like that. And everyone goes, oh, this guy's the man.

And then essentially when anyone had to actually make policy to do everything, And everyone goes, oh, this guy's the man. And then essentially when anyone had to actually make policy to do everything, they're like, oh, this guy's an idiot. And all these governors and he's the governor of Ontario that were kind of the man for a second. Everyone's realizing how much of morons they actually are.

Yeah, well, but it's funny that the people in Ontario and Canada, that they aren't fighting back as much as I think that they should be at this point. Why do you think that is? Because I think that the science shows that, you know, people aren't dying from this anymore. No, but why do you think that Canadians don't fight back as much as Americans?

I think they're just too nice. I think that that's, you know, that age old rule of like Canada, Canadians have, have nice in them. They don't have that, that, that fight. I think it's, I think it's true. And I think, you know, I, I don't think that there's somebody that has, from an opposition standpoint, I don't think that anyone has stood up to round up the troops. I don't think that there's been that person in Ontario that the people that are like, fuck this, we don't want to lock down anymore.

We don't agree with this. They haven't had their Robin Hood stand up that they could sort of latch on to. And I think that's the difference. You know, I think that's why. They get killed. Yeah. And it's in Canada.

There is the American culture is way more, you know, like if someone bumps into you, you know, what do you do? Whereas in America, whereas in Canada, someone bumps in and you're OK. But I really do feel that even with myself like you were part of all these controversies and yeah it's like crazy career did you find with that that it would affect you or are you sort of just wired to like the fight yeah I think I'm wired to like the fight um you know especially when it comes down to like I don't lie steal or cheat and like outside of that everything's fair game when i feel that people are trying to just bullshit you or or actually lie steal or cheat from you

or try to cut corners or they try and bend the rules and And then we're, we live in this world now where they have the ability to deflect off of you because if you want to stand your ground and stand firm on something, yeah, yeah. I just, I've never been affected by, uh, I guess what people think. And I think that's the origin of it. Like you can't fight if you care about what people think, because people are always going to not like what you're doing. There's always going to be that side of it. Um, and I just don't give a fuck. Like I've never gave a fuck about what people think about me because I go to bed at night tired because I worked hard during the day. I didn't lie. I didn't steal. And I didn't cheat today. So, you know, or ever really.

So I'm good. I'm good with that. What do you think about the way that, because the controversy right now, if the ramifications of sort of poking your head out are so much higher, even when you were kind of, you know, in the thick of all that stuff, do you feel like that's why a lot of the players even right now, you know, kind of just there isn't as many use anymore a little bit more in basketball there's a few kind of but there isn't as many people that are wild with their opinions because they all get you know shut down

so much do you think that you could have been as wild as you were in in today's climate yeah i think so i think uh i think so because i think that the outsiders or the people that, it's so divided right now that I think what's interesting is the people that are more like minded and think like me have also just said, fuck it. And they're saying, you know what, this is, we know what's right and what's wrong. And I'm not afraid to step outside of the box. And I'm not afraid to get canceled, because it's an interesting shift that's happening right now. But no, if I was playing today, I mean, I'm hardwired a certain way, right? Like, I think I thought about it the other day, people always ask, like,

do you wish you still played? And actually, up until last week, I've about it the other day. People always ask, like, do you wish you still played? And actually, up until last week, I've never had the feeling that I still – I never once felt I wish I still played until last week when this shit show started in Ontario again. And I thought I would love to play for the Toronto Maple Leafs right now because, you know, Brendan Shanahan would have a tough time. I would say something. I would say, like, have a tough time. I would say something. I would say, like, I live in Toronto.

I'm living here. I'm watching what's going on. And this is not right. These people are crazy. You know, this is fucking crazy. Yeah, and you have that place. Yeah. And that's the thing.

It is one of those, I always kind of see this with, even if you look at the stuff that happened to you, like, well well your biggest controversy probably was when you said that everyone takes their sloppy seconds it's probably right yeah yeah probably and the media yeah yeah and media will go oh this guy's the worst but really most dudes were probably like kind of funny you know what i mean that's that's the gist of it so even in that like that what you just said this lockdown's crazy all this stuff most people are like yeah no shit that's kind of reasonable opinion but for you to go up and say for anyone like popular to go to say that right now they're like this guy what are

you crazy so they yeah i think that's the difference now between uh you, 10 or 15 years ago, you didn't have the ramifications that you do now, which is people trying to cancel you. You know, these people have found a way to actually execute on their misery because that's all it is. These people that do this to try and cancel other people, they're anonymous people. They're people we don't know. They're just miserable people. They've created, they've found a way to have, to self-satisfy themselves through this anonymous power that they can all jump on and get after. And it's funny, that's why I started my podcast, podcast which was I really just started it as a defense

mechanism for when they came for me because I was like okay they're going to come for me at some point and I want a long form platform um so that I can defend myself because Instagram and Twitter you can't really you know I want to build this this this station that when they come for me, I'm going to be able to defend myself. And what I don't understand is when they do come for people, when people's number get called, if they're not guilty, why they don't fight back? And we've seen a bunch of different situations where I start to wonder, are they guilty? Why didn't they fight back? It seems like they aren't guilty of anything but they didn't fight back and I don't understand it they don't have it in them I mean I see that because I do you know in comedy and all the sketches I do and stuff like that I have so much people where you can see the tiniest little thing

and they're just like ah you know let me delete my Instagram I'm sorry what do I have to do to make this it's kind of what do I have to do to make this stop and they go just like, ah, you know, let me delete my Instagram. I'm sorry, what do I have to do to make this? It's kind of what do I have to do to make this stop? And they go, if you apologize, you see they try that and try this. I see people, they get in trouble for something that was an accident and they go, you know, I'm so glad that everyone's mad at me. You know, it made me, like they, please give me my lashings. So that's a big part of it. Did you see, and they get the journalists to essentially be their, you know, puppets

to do their bidding for them to, hey, we're going after this guy. And like, you know, all the journalists go, oh, okay, gotcha, we'll get in line. Did you find the, when you were in the midst of all this stuff, did you find that, did you know the journalists were a bunch of liars or did you kind of think, oh, some of them are fair,

some of, or were you, were they the enemy for you um i think that uh yeah no i i think that when i was in the thick of it it wasn't as cutthroat as it is now you know what i mean there wasn't um you you weren't from a journalist standpoint you weren't rewarded for being a scumbag and trying to yeah yeah that wasn't that wasn't like hardwired into the system yet now now that's how you gain currency that's how you um jump to the front of the pile that's how you get more followers that's how you get more engagement so but what i still don't understand is why you know players or athletes don't fight back you see some do you know the kevin durant's of the world or the draymond greens like there's some guys that do barkley doesn't give a shit he'll just say say it. Um, but you know, I think also these guys are making money right now. They just, you know, that's like, why be bothered? You know what I mean? It's almost be better to, it's better to just be less visible than visible. I mean,

and one of the things with you is like, you actually were a good player. Whereas, you know, you, were you pretty aware that if i'm not you know performing i probably can't do this shit i think that for me it was actually like a motivational tool for me to play uh it's what kind of drove me to be able to play the way that i played every single night because um you know people have to remember when i came in the league in 2002 there weren't many guys in the league that were my size that were it was a big league that back then there weren't guys that were you know there were nine you know and i and at that point i think when i my first year i was probably 175 pounds at that point it was a big league everybody was big

you know 220 guys were all six but you didn't get it you didn't even get drafted back then if you weren't six feet so I had to play that way kind of to survive and I think that to be able to play that way I had to I needed something to kind of push me and I think anytime that I would always get a little bit complacent there was this thing in me that when I would do something that would cause me to have to back it up, right. I would have to, I would cross the line a little bit and that would get the juices flowing a little. And that was, it was kind of like my, it was my, my honest meter of like, it kept myself honest and kept myself motivated. Yeah. I feel like one of the things I do with that sort of stuff is a lot of times it's, you just need to stop and then recharge sometimes, you know, because when you're always kind of fighting and it always feels like you're in it, you get so cloudy and you just kind of you start going through motions.

Whereas even just like stepping away from a week, like put your phone down, then you're like, OK, I'm ready to fight a little bit. What are we doing here? like, okay, I'm ready to fight a little bit. What are we doing here? Yeah, no, I definitely picked my spots. Um, and I, I have the ability now, like, you know, the last day or two, this whole, um, chemical castration argument for kids has been on my mind a little bit. Cause I'm a new dad. I have a eight month old son month old son um yeah that's when you want to dip your toe into it's you know so i i for the last two days i've kind of been holding off saying something like will i talk about it on the next episode you know i probably will but i won't talk about it today i'll let it sort of simmer collect some more you know, make sure that I'm my shit's tight before I start

talking about it. When, in theory, I don't really need to. I mean, I'm a father. I know that right now, if my 12 year old son, or 10 year old son told me that he was a girl, I would say, no fucking problem. How you can decide you're a girl when you're 18 but up until then you're a boy and like that's you know that's my god-given right as a parent i don't have to appease all these fucking people that think that that's normal and that that's okay i don't have to say yeah you know what i would give my my child uh uh drugs to essentially castrate themselves like you know we're in a fucking wild time right now in the world it is it is really i i don't know i haven't been around that long but there's a lot of shit coming ahead right now

yeah it's one of the i mean anyone who's been a you know in paying attention to public you know discourse for 20 years there's no denying this is different than any other period that you know at least of the last modern history and in terms of the ability to for the amount that stepping out with any opinion you know ruins your life i mean perfect examples like you're talking about that one i mean remember wasn't it 10 years ago you were kind of one of the people championing gay marriage and all that sort of stuff yeah i mean that's why that's why like i i've done so many things that have essentially made me bulletproof in theory like yeah i was the first professional athlete that ever that actually endorsed same-sex marriage

on a national level or on a on a state level um so you're never going to be able to come at me and call me like fucking homophobic or watch them yeah you know but but that's where it ends because yeah i say to you you're a fucking idiot. You don't even, like, you can't even gain traction on that argument because I'm rooted, it's rooted in fact that I'm not, like, I'm more pro-gay than probably, you know. My boyfriend's gay. So a lot, right?

Like, early on, okay, before it was cool, before it was like. Yeah, before it was cool before it was like yeah before i was in vogue yeah right um so yeah like i you know i i think but i'm also smart enough to not you know there's certain things that i don't understand enough about that i won't go near. So I'm not, you know, I'm not stupid when it comes to certain things that I want to stand up for or talk out against. But yeah, that's a very good example of one where, you know, they can't really come for me on that because I was there. I was there doing it before anyone was fucking doing it. What percentage of the NHL is gay that doesn't say it, do you think? I mean, there's got to be some guys, you know?

There has to be. Mathematically, it's just not possible. They were enjoying the hazing a little too much. Or just, you know, that haven't felt. There's got to be. I must have played with some guys that were gay. I mean, it just, I had to have, I would be surprised if I didn't. It kind of feels like even those issues, cause I always kind of say that they,

you know, the trans stuff and issues like that, they, it's never so much about the issue. You know, it's about, here's the 12 things you think, and then you go, well, what about this one? They go, no, these are the 12 things, right? So whereas most people, and I think that the certain people just have a natural like questioning sort of, wait, what?

No, I'm not on any of these teams. What are, you tell me the information and I'll decide issue by issue. And yeah, maybe I agree with this part of it and not this part of it. And they go, no, we don't do it it like that anymore here's your 12 things that you think or you're kicked out of the club yeah i mean but also i think some things have to be i i never had the thought of like okay some things need to be rooted in science but i also didn't think that we would

ever get to a point where we were talking about shit like this and when you talk about that specifically you know the transgender stuff with kids you have to kind of go to science and then logic and say like there's a reason why we don't let kids drive at 12 right there's a reason why we don't let kids drink at 12 there's probably a fucking pretty good reason why we don't let kids decide that they want to or that they are another sex at 12 especially right now when it you know on the playgrounds and on their social medias like that can give you clout and kids make decisions based on clout and that's a scary thing you know what i mean because as a kid you don't understand what's gonna happen four or five years down the road when maybe clout's not that much of an issue or you start to realize like well

i don't really feel like this i you know you know the difference between what you felt like at 12 and 18 versus 18 and 30 me at 30 versus me at 18 are two totally different people me at 40 today totally different fucking person yeah because a lot of these things someone's essentially being you know i'm dealing with all this shit i feel this weird way and then they go well here's your answer the only the only catch is that you know you got if it doesn't work we yeah you know it's uh you're fucked yeah you're totally fucked you're this better work essentially you know right it's kind of like with i was saying this with i was talking yesterday about this but there's a lot of people in new york it's everyone's depressed and it's almost like trendy. Right.

And someone's like, well, Oh, it just makes no sense why they're like, and I'm like, it kind of makes perfect sense. Cause you know, the way you were saying before there's currency, if everyone says, you know, this makes you more interesting, you're actually get points for this. It's actually logical to do those things. I mean, there is I use it more even on a political level. Like I, you know, I'm Chris Gethard. And I'm very excited to tell you about beautiful anonymous podcast where I talk to random people on the phone, I tweet out a phone number, thousands of people try to call, talk to one of them, they stay anonymous, I can't hang up. That's all the rules. I never know what's going to happen. We get serious ones. I've talked with meth dealers on their way to prison. I've talked to people who survived mass shootings. Crazy,

funny ones. I talked to a guy with a goose laugh, somebody who dresses up as a pirate on the weekends. I never know what's going to happen. It's a great show. Subscribe today. Beautiful anonymous. Like, I think people are Democrats because being a Democrat is cool on social media. Yeah. And where they're born is what they're around telling you. Right. Yeah. Right. So, yeah, I think social media has changed the way that people find their truth.

You know, it's this whole thing of like, yeah, it's trendy to be depressed. Like, it's weird because I don't have any friends that are like that. Like, I don't have a friend that would ever get into that zone because I'd be like, dude, you're a fucking, you're not cool. Like, I have no interest in you bringing your energy into my circle. So let's just part ways. You know what i mean i sometimes wish that i could because and and you can't debate anyone now because you can't you don't even see anybody but um

yeah it's uh it's it's interesting that's why like with comics i feel like comics have such a huge opportunity because you know who are the comics going to be that say you know what i don't give a fuck about playing it politically politically correct because there's 75 million people that don't want to be politically correct and i can go on and have a fucking huge career with those people and be true to myself and actually be a comic versus be a pretend comic and like the when comedy gets affected you know we're fucked i mean that's you change the definition of the word at that point yeah and they have the social media platforms kind of stepping in try to you know help essentially uh referee on top of that yeah say what's tell tell people what what's funny what's allowed to be

funny and what's not allowed to be funny that's there's also i mean if you look at it like i always comedy is not sports but it's the closest art form to sports in that when we're talking about you like there was an objective truth of how good you were and how much you score and uh back when penalty minutes was kind of a stat that was actually positive it was kind of funny actually back the day they go oh this guy had this many penalty minutes like that was a positive stat kind of right it shows yeah yeah yeah but there if in comedy there is if there was a league which is hollywood or whatever and they kick everyone that is saying anything interesting or anyone that's performing well out,

all you do is turn, you know, you would turn the NHL into, you know, a junior hockey league, right? So that's what they're doing. But at the same time, I heard a good thing. Someone said they have legacy distribution, but a bad product. And I thought that was a good way to describe what's going on. Yeah, no, but I think it will catch up to them at a certain point.

I think we're still in it. Yeah, I mean, I think it will, and they'll quickly shift it. But also, I think you have to be able to be smart enough to get around it. Like, you know, you put a set together that lives in a hypothetical world. I mean, I don't know. There's a million different things that you can do into a room and actually make Democrats and Republicans laugh and be offended and be disgusted and want to like do some soul searching when they get home, all of the above, right? It's just on how you deliver it and the balance of it.

Or you could just say, fuck it and say, I'm only going to cater to one side of this but you know there's not a lot of truth to that and that's what scares me yeah what did you think of uh I'm because I think you were kind of critical of him before but what did you think of Don Cherry when he got fired did you think what was bound to happen or were you thinking like this guy was on his way out anyway basically he kind of his his final comment was he was this controversial canadian figure maybe everyone knows him but he essentially what was the last comment he said something about him he loves the poppies he said the immigrants need to

put the poppy on right right you know listen that was i mean did i You didn't like Don Cherry that much, right? I grew up watching Don Cherry, rock him, sock him. I think when I didn't like Don Cherry, it was from, you know, it was part of the bit. It was like, I'm going to make Don Cherry like an enemy of mine and we'll play into it a little bit. But I love Don Cherry. I mean, he's as Canadian as fucking maple syrup. I think Don Cherry is a guy that just aged out on this day in television.

Like it was a matter of time before he said something like that. And, you know, the root of what he said, like, do I think Don cherry's a racist no i i think don cherry thinks that he's very linear he's like if you're you're you're an immigrant why aren't you wearing the poppy you live in canada you know what i mean like it's yeah it's just to me i see through that like i don't immediately stand up and go, Don Cherry's a racist. Like, no, I think Don Cherry just fucking wants everyone to love Canada.

That's what I think. Yeah. And I don't, maybe that makes me racist. Maybe I'm a racist because I think Don Cherry just wants everyone to love Canada. Who fucking knows? You know, I don't know. Yeah. There was, what was the other guy paul pierce he just got fired for doing the stripper party i mean but that's like you know and what's funny i think i don't even know if espn went on the record and said

if it hadn't come from his phone he wouldn't have got fired like if it was somebody else filming he would have been okay but the fact that he posted it on his own phone I mean I don't know why would he do that like I I just I just strange right what's the move here yeah you didn't look cool you You look drunk. You look like sloppy and messy. And you know, strippers that aren't hot. That's the other thing. Like if he had a bunch of, maybe it would have been different if the setting was different, he looked good and he was like bouncing quarters off like some, some asses and like the girls were into it and everyone, I don't know.

But yeah, that was messy that was messy i always thought because okay i i got a question because you know you dated a lot of like famous chicks and stuff like that and do you what do you think the right now like what what is the pros and cons of dating a famous chick? And do you recommend it or do you think that's not the move? Man, I think that it depends what you're looking for, right? Like I always said, it's funny, like you get labeled like, oh, that guy dates a lot of celebrities. It's like, yeah, you get labeled like, Oh, that guy dates a lot of celebrities. It's like, yeah, I like dating independent,

strong women who make their own money and like understand schedule. Yeah. And they, they know what work is and like, they, they get it. Like, that's why I was drawn to that type of woman. That's why I married that type of woman. Um, uh, you know, I think now I question whether or not some of these relationships are even real if they're rooted in like chasing clout more than actually, um, the relationship, like it's fucking bizarre now. But, uh, you know, I think again, I, I, I i'm not sure it's probably more difficult now because i'm sure you know the for the women it's probably even tougher you know they have all these other

things that they have to deal with social media and like they can't say anything and i i don't know yeah it's got to be different the whole thing changed right like when the cell phone when when instagram and twitter turned oh yeah and it became a thing it just changed the it changed the game i even remember in the myspace days you know people being on tour and stuff like that and then you know some chick like tracking people down on myspace and sending messages and kind of just being, you know, this isn't going to be good for business. Right. This whole thing. Right. Yeah. There's a, I would, there is something about, cause I guess it depends what they're famous for. That's probably the most important thing. But as soon as you hear a girl that's like,

I'm bored and you go, Oh, this is this, the, the high maintenance level of, you know, if a girl's famous for just like taking pictures of herself and stuff like that. Yeah, I guess that's the other thing that's different now is like you can, you know, versus 10 years ago or 15 years ago, you weren't famous just because you were famous. Yeah. Right. So that whole spectrum has shifted. It's not necessarily equated to being an artist anymore.

It's totally different. So, yeah. But again, that also, I think, not that I like to use the word celebrity, but I don't even know what that word means anymore. You definitely see a lot more athletes from a mainstream standpoint um it's much more prevalent than it was it was it was more rare back you know 10 or 15 years ago

um again i think it's somehow linked to exposure and like instagram right and and you know um an actor or an actress can say like well he's just as famous as me right because he's got the same amount of followers or uh you can look at it yeah yeah you can there's some sort of a balance there. Whereas maybe, you know, years ago, it would have been a little bit snobbery. Like, well, he's an athlete. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know. It's all, it's all fucking, it's all based on.

That depends on their age probably too. I think if you're, I think if you're a little younger, you'd be like, oh sick, it's an athlete or this guy's in this band or whatever. And I think if the girl's like 20, you go, eh, I think that that's going to be a pain in the ass. Yeah, yeah. So retired athletes are saying top if they're...

I think it's... Fuck, it's totally changed, man. Also, I think dating apps and all that shit, which wasn't around i think that's changed the game too but yeah again i think it's still when i look at it it's like you have way more opportunities you know what i mean like if you're if you are let's say you're an athlete or a musician and you want to try and milk the system or like get into the system. Oh, it's too easy now.

Yeah. It's definitely easier than it was for sure. Which is bad too. Cause you know, probably you see a lot of people go down that path where they're just all in on that shit. Yeah. Yeah. But I, you know, I think they'll, they'll get, they'll get exposed eventually i don't think that's only a matter of time what do you think about because this is predominantly an athlete thing and i know you've had this pretty big career you've done all this stuff after you know after

sports but a lot of these a lot of these careers where it's kind of over and you're still fairly young i feel like it i've seen a lot of people where that gets dark have you found that where it's especially i mean you probably have cash i'm like i'm but there's some people where especially in like football you'll see people they're like 29 or something they didn't really save that much money they were this you know the most famous guy or whatever then it's kind of over feel like it can be like a dark place have you seen that with any yeah you know no i mean i you see it all the time i mean i just see it today this football player who's 32 killed five people yesterday really i didn't see that yeah he he uh he killed two kids and like he's a dad. Listen, it's something that it's definitely not easy, right? Like I was lucky enough that I made a decision that I wanted to do something different.

And that kind of drives me. But you still have some days where it's like, it gets a little, you know, there's tough days, you know, it's not, it's, it's, and I have a lot of shit going on. So for, for the guys that don't, it's not easy, man. It's not easy. You, you, you get a lot handed to, it's the same as a soldier, you know, a lot of similarities, not, not the same, but a lot of similarities not not the same but a lot of similarities yeah i think so too that's a good analogy this full career and then all of a sudden you're a certain age and like that's all you do you know it's done and you don't know what to do

and that gets dark yeah i try not to think about it i try and just keep it moving you know i think that's that's the secret you got to just keep it moving yeah you can't can't stay stagnant for too long it'll get too dangerous yeah and a lot of times it takes you know four or five years to get really good at something and so what about in that meantime you're kind of what was your favorite thing that you did since like because you know you ran, you were doing the modeling industry, a bunch of restaurants, you know, you did a whole bunch of stuff. And then you've got a podcast, which is killing it.

Yeah, I think like now, you know, I think if I would, if somebody was, if I met a stranger on the street and they asked me what I did, I'd say I'm an entertainer. I guess I'm an actor. I mean, I'm a working actor i just um finished a david o russell movie i just did a a new series for a guest start on a new um

amc series like oh yeah but you know it took me five years to get to the point where I could even audition, like that I even knew how to audition. Like I spent five years in New York and every acting class and industry night. And like, that's all I did. Right. But did you focus on it the way you focused on hockey where you go, OK, I'm taking this fucking seriously? Absolutely.

Yeah, absolutely. It's the only thing i did it's the only thing that i but i you know and that that didn't make it easier that you know made it probably uh survivable but um yeah i mean i think that that's you know when i when i wake up now, I dream about being on set on a consistent basis. That's kind of like where the future's going for sure. But, yeah, if I hadn't had that, it would have been dangerous. And I did a bunch of stuff before that just to kind of i think like i said keep it moving and then i found finally the thing that i yeah that i knew that i wanted to sink into um but i kept it moving right and i and i tried different things um then you know you don't fail at anything

like you can never fail trying to do something. You just can't. As long as you try and you fucking put everything you got into it, you can't fail. But I think now we live in a world where like, again, failure is almost celebrated. People like to celebrate other people's failures. They're playing the wrong game.

I mean, even when the way that you described it with you go, and my friend group, if someone came at us with that stuff, we go, I mean, yeah, that's bad. Fix that.. I mean, even when the way that you described it with you go, in my friend group, if someone came at us with that stuff, we go, I mean, yeah, that's bad. Fix that. Or, I mean, you know, or go and don't fix it. Because if you're playing the game where it's, oh, who can be the most, you know, depressed and be the biggest wreck or whatever, it's kind of.

Yeah, fuck. Like I said, some days I feel like I wish I had some friends like that so I could just take out some of my anger on them. But yeah, I guess it's probably better that I don't. When you started doing the acting, now this is a very important question, but did you have to work to get rid of the Canadian accent? Because you got sort of a thick one. Yeah. So what's the

accent you do when you're in there? I mean, there's there's words that hit like I say, sorry. Yeah, you are hard on that. Yeah. Instead of sorry, like, I guess I have to physically change the way that the word comes out of my mouth to say sorry. But you have also you have the full out can so i even saw some interviews of you when you were like 17 and this is when you were because you were peak uh like oh yeah you just go out there you give it 110 like you're right in the pocket that was before people started doing interviews differently every interview was kind of you know give it 110.

But, you know, we just got out there. But, yeah, I have a little bit of that in me too. But I think maybe I grew up in, I don't know, I guess we grew up in the same area. But for some reason I have a little less of that. But I have the friends that it's the full, oh, getting proper tuned. Just like, well, you've hockey talked. You talk like a hockey player. Yeah, I mean, I hope that i don't i i generally think that i'm a little bit you know i don't say that negatively i like it

i think it's like i think it's fun no i i feel like i've sort of found my pocket on um you know i have an interesting kind of cadence and and uh's definitely a rhythm that I'm very melodramatic. I don't really – my highs and lows aren't there, which is something you have to be cognizant about. That was the hardest thing that I needed to work on. Maybe that's your shtick, though. I don't know if you know the Nelk Boys and all that stuff. They got full-blown canadian accents yeah i i the problem is is that

they sound ridiculous you know like they really they really do they don't you know because at some point they're gonna they're gonna be 30 they're gonna be 35 and they're gonna try and evolve that maybe it'll work it'll keep working um but yeah i i feel like you know i come from it from an art standpoint like i try and take it that if i like i auditioned yesterday for this uh yesterday for this uh cam and tommy hulu show that they're doing um and you know the audition call i was like i was a i was a i was a dad but i was sort of an ex-actor or i was an actor you just feel the fucking person right like i was a hot shot i was like talking to a bunch of babes yeah you can do a good hot shot you just kind of

morph into it and you change your shirt and like that's it you're in it yeah you know what i mean so the costume does help as soon as you put the new outfit on definitely definitely but no i think that's what's fun about it that's kind of the challenging part um that you know, I will I ever get to the point that I'm Christian Bale, where I can go from being like Cockney British to fucking Southern California American? Probably not. I think that's something that a few are born with and have the ability to do. Yeah, and I find it very remarkable that they can do it. like it's like being a singer it's it's very specific um yeah i get pretty jealous of those people because i i'm yeah actually seriously bad at accents and there was a phase where i got really serious about trying

to fix that you know i'd be in the car and i would just do over and over try to learn these accents and i would see someone after like a month or two months and do it and they'd be like I think it got worse like I was that I was that terrible at the game that it's just I just be like okay I'm not an accent guy I'm just not wired that way the same way I'm not gonna be in the NBA yeah yeah no I agree I agree what do you think the biggest thing that because I feel like there's you know two or three things that I've done that I

that I do them all the same and what my question is is what do you think that you kind of learned playing sports and stuff like that that the rest of your life everything that else you get good at you go I do it the way that i did that fuck i feel like everything you know i feel like uh i feel like the the parallels between that are you know like i i don't like to waste time right

i'd like to keep everything effective. Like, if I'm going to relax, then I'm really going to relax. I'm not going to kind of do it in between. Yeah. I think that that's sort of something that you definitely pull from the sports world because you're so schedule-driven, and I think that's important. Like, I think that, you know, I still get up at the same time every day. And the first thing I do is go and do my workout. And then I can, my brain's clear and I can go on with the day, very routine oriented. Like if I

don't have a routine, I'm dangerous. Like I'll probably end up in jail. Right. So I think that's kind of, that's sort of a blessing in disguise, um, that, that I got that because it's just what works. It's what feels comfortable. Do you think that's the biggest key that a lot of people mess up as they just try to do it all at once? It's like, you need to be more regimented yeah yeah i think you have to kind of you just gotta prioritize and you know keep it simple but effective and and you know there's only so much you can do right you can only do so much but um it's good for the mind too i think i get so driven nuts because I'm doing this movie with Danny.

And I see this with my buddy. And there's so many people that are like this where he'll be like, okay, let's meet up. But he only has three hours that day. So he'll kind of, you know, it takes an hour to get there, an hour to do this. And then you kind of leave and you end up doing seven hours to do four hours of work.

And then he does that the next day. And I was like, just split these two things up. Like put your things all in one day. It just drives me nuts. I'm like the amount of everything you do, you're wasting two extra hours because of the way you like block your life out. And I find that there's so many people in my life. I was just like, give me your life for a week.

I will shed nine hours. Right. Yeah. No, that me your life for a week. I will, I will shed nine hours. Right? Yeah, no, that's, uh, yeah, it's funny. I just got a motorcycle because I'm in California. Part of the reason is so that I can just be more time efficient once the traffic comes back. That's a huge move because I always think you go, Oh, if I get a motorcycle, that's how I die. But the, the efficiency standpoint, I didn't even think of that yeah i didn't get it to drive like fast and be cool i just got it so that i don't have to fucking deal with the ship you know right so you moved to la because of acting yeah and to get out of new york to get

out of new york was this pre-pandemic you moved or during? During, but it was planned pre-pandemic. Okay. It was kind of in the cards and then I think the pandemic even actually jump-started it a little bit. Do you think that is New York dead or is New York in a big comeback?

You're very bearish on New York. 15 years it'll take. 10, 15. It won't be as quick as 9-11, I'll tell you that. No. And you think LA you think is good. Well, LA is 85 degrees.

I mean, it's like whatever. You know what I mean? How bad could it be? You know? You can be outside. You bad could it be you know you can be outside you can you can do it you know new york you can't do that you can't you don't have your own space there's no communal there it's it's it's all communal space right and when the rules are like they are it's totally different i mean it's it's gonna be i think there's gonna be people that want it

to come back but i think there's still gonna be this weird very uncomfortable feeling that's gonna keep people away yeah do you think the governor's here messed it up oh yeah well the mayor i mean all i do people are getting fucking stabbed on, like, street corners on the Upper West Side at 2 in the afternoon. Like, the cops are nowhere to be found. That fucking city is lawless right now. That's why I left, too. It is.

Because I would kill somebody. I would end up in jail. The road rage videos? Those are... That's right. So, I don't know. Sean used to do these videos where he would... You would ride through on your bike,

and anyone who's blocking the bike lane, you'd like... You're the boss. I'd just light them up. Yep. Yeah, that's funny. But I have outside my house, because all the people that sell stuff and this and that,

they... And I feel like a fucking Karen or whatever, I guess. But they play music on boom boxes. Oh, I would, I would go outside and I would pick up their stereo and I would throw it as high as I could up in the air. And then I would, I would fight three of them, bare knuckle fight them on the sidewalk. Yeah. And I would fuck two of them bare knuckle fight them on the sidewalk yeah and i would fuck two of them up really bad and then i would be on social media and i would get arrested like two days later

that's why i left someone's got it's it's they go till 3 4 a.m and you go yeah yeah i mean they haven't stopped partying the guys that sell junk on the street yeah yeah no i've i beat up so many fucking grubhub delivery guys in the last three years. How did you not get in trouble for that shit? Uh, it's just pick my spots, do it at the right time. Or it was,

they came at me. Yeah. Yeah. It was always self defense, but, um, yeah, they thought they were a little tougher than they were.

Those videos were wild, dude. I saw a compilation tougher than they were. Those videos were wild, dude. I saw a compilation of all of them. This guy's funny. There was, you know, my dad said this, tell me if you think this is true.

He said you were sort of a, cause he's friends with this guy, Basil McCray. And he goes, you were sort of like a reverse of him. You had a little less penalty minutes, but more, but more goals.

Yeah. Yeah. He was a good player though though, Basil, I think. Yeah, he played a long time. He was a pain in the ass. On your podcast, what's the most thing that's got you fired up and pissed off in the last, you know, two, three months that you've been doing it?

Oh, shit. Fuck, every week it's something different. Oh, shit. Fuck, every week it's something different. I mean, I think the consistent thing has been the masks outside. That's probably been from day one of the pandemic. I never wore one for the first eight months, like outside, and people would yell at me, and I would, you know, tell them that they were fucking insane

and that they should go and reevaluate their know, tell them that they were fucking insane and that they should go and reevaluate their life. And you are like, you get into it. Oh yeah. I would just destroy them, destroy them. I agree. I would get real road rage when I was running. So I would run in New York and when people came up to me and they go, I'm going to put

the mask on. I got visible, like, fuck, you know, I got actual like road rage on the running trail from someone telling me, put a mask on while I'm running. I go, you stay home. That was one of the ones that does. Yeah.

I get fired up on that too. Yeah. I mean, I ran the same route, uh, or that was another one route. I'd have to say, I,

I got it so bad, dude. I get killed on all my videos everyone's like this guy's so canadian i want well that's a that's like a word choice like we say route right americans say root i mean i can say root yeah i have the same running yeah you those you can switch by just changing it you just change the word but i say a like a ton but i don't even do it i kind of you know where i grew up was sort of almost urban, but it's even, it even seeped into that where people will go, Oh, you're doing that.

Like it's not, it's not even so Canadian. It's just part of the vernacular, even if you don't, you know, have talk like that. Yeah. I would, I'll do a, I definitely don't think I said a on this while we did our interview, but I could be wrong. You're not too bad, but no, the, yeah, the mask thing is the thing that still gets me. Um, you know, I just look at them and like, I laugh, I laugh, I laugh at them and they know, and they know what I'm laughing at.

I'm like, now I point at them and go, ha ha. That's what you have to do. You got to flip it. Right. Yeah, totally. They're fucking crazy. These people are crazy. I'm like, now I point at them and go, ha ha. That's what you have to do. You got to flip it, right? Yeah, totally. They're fucking crazy. These people are crazy. They're totally fucking crazy.

They're out of their minds. Yeah. Double masks, walking around with two masks on. I mean, give me a break. Anyone that has anyone that wears two masks should just reevaluate like everything, you know, and they're outside. Like it's just fucking wild.

Yeah. Take a step back and be like, what are we doing here? Yep. Yep. Or just stay the fuck inside. If you're that worried. I think that's the,

you know, to go back to the polarization, all that stuff on top. It's one thing. If you were just, you know what? I'm some old lady. I'm kind of safe. And you know, I'm crazy. It's the opposite where they're, they're go, can you believe these guys aren't doing it on top of that?

They think you're crazy. And you go, what do you, if you want to be a psychopath like that, fine, but you don't get to like, before the pandemic, you didn't see the, you know, the ladies walking around with the face shield, then looking at you, like, look at this idiot. It's like, no, you didn't see the you know the ladies walking around with the face shield then looking at you like look at this idiot it's like now you're the crazy one yeah well especially because it's not rooted in any science like there's still no proven fact that you can get i mean it's actually proven that it it i think you can't like i don't you get it from being inside in close contact with people the way that you fight COVID is by being outside in the sun. That's a fucking fact.

That's for sure. Yeah. With vitamin D and everything like that. It's like you were wearing two masks. You look like a fucking crazy person. And I just laugh at them and I point at their masks and go fucking nuts. And then I just keep running. So it gets, you know. Sean Avery just accosted me in the park it's a well that's what they have you ever had that when when you were doing when doing one

of those like road rage or anything where people go are you sean avery i think you could always see a moment where they realized it was me where they were trying to act tough and then the guy was like oh fuck i just realized who this was and i'm like yeah bro like what do you want to do do you want to fucking put your work belt down and we'll fight in the middle of the street yeah i'm cool with that and then he realizes it's me and he's and he's like you know he tries to find a way out of it because I'm like, I wish men could settle their problems that way. I wish we could just fight. But not now.

Thank you for coming on the boys cast. And the podcast is No Gruffs Given, which you changed it from No Fucks Given, right? Yeah, you couldn't search it. Yeah. It didn't really work. I have a few friends that no fucks given, right? Yeah, you couldn't search it. So I had to, yeah, it didn't really work. I have a few friends that have fucks in the name of their like band or podcast. And you go, you guys are screwed yourself for life.

Yeah, it was just, you can't search it. So I was like, okay, we'll make a quick shift here. Yeah. Oh yeah. Check it out, David. Thanks. Yeah, thanks so much for coming on, man. I really appreciate it.

This has been The Boys Cast cast bit of a different episode but it's kind of cool to hear what you know athletes and actors and people like that think of uh all this shit too and they reached out i'm like fuck yeah that guy was wild i thought uh he's a very cool guy so if you do want um me and danny are doing an episode on the patreon this week. Patreon.com slash the boys cast. New studio coming soon. All right. Peace.