The Boyscast with Ryan Long - Sitting Down with The Most Controversial Pastor in America

Episode Date: August 14, 2026

Pastor James Manning joins the boys on todays episode to discuss long-legged mack daddy Barack Obama, whether threesomes are ordained by god, and Black Israelites   SUPPORT THE BOYSCAST! Go to https://patreon.com/theboyscast for a premium episode every week plus bonus content   SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS! Mars Men - Go to https://mengotomars.com and use code BOYSCAST for 50% off for life, free shipping and 3 free gifts Quince - Go to https://quince.com/boyscast to get free shipping on your order & 365 day returns Mint Mobile - Go to http://mintmobile.com/boyscast to get unlimited premium wireless for $15 a month   Upcoming Shows:  Kansas City - Aug 14/15 Tacoma - Sept 17-19 Irvine - Oct 2  Phoenix - Oct 16-17 Edmonton- Nov 5-7 Calgary - Nov 12-14 DC - Dec 3-5  Punchup.live/ryanlong   Ryans: https://youtube.com/ryanlongcomedy @ryanlongcomedy Dannys Channel: https: youtube.com/dannypolishchuk @dannyjokes  FELLAS FELLAS MERCH! http://ryanlongstore.com   To advertise on this podcast please email: [e-mail] with Subject: Boyscast   Ryan @ryanlongcomedy Danny @dannyjokes Instagram: @ryanlongcomedy Twitter: @ryanlongcomedy Facebook.com/ryanlongcomedy tiktok @ryanlongcomedy  AUDIO  PODCAST: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-boyscast-with-ryan-long/id1498829489   Chapters:   00:00 - The group chat Pastor 00:39 - Intro 01:02 - Do you consider yourself a comedian? 06:11 - How did you become a pastor? 08:27 - Gay pastors / helping dopers 13:46 - What was jail like? 17:39 - Obama 18:55 - Do white people like your church for the wrong reasons? 20:42 - Running for Mayor 23:28 - Are threesomes a sin? 26:18 - Gay jokes less acceptable in black community? 29:03 - AD - Mars Men - Go to https://mengotomars.com and use code BOYSCAST for 50% off for life, free shipping and 3 free gifts 31:44 - AD - Quince - Go to https://quince.com/boyscast to get free shipping on your order & 365 day returns 33:36 - Pride 35:55 - What's the biggest mistake men are making 40:53 - Segregation 44:14 - Soul music 51:24 - Is America on the way down? 53:14 - DJT is a servant of Satan 58:55 - White guys not getting action 1:04:09 - AD - Mint Mobile - Go to http://mintmobile.com/boyscast to get unlimited premium wireless for $15 a month 1:05:58 - Slavery 1:11:08 - What would you do as President? 1:15:01 - Breast enlargements yay or nay? 1:16:33 - Black Israelites 1:18:05 - Is Hollywood putting black men in dresses? 1:22:45 - What do you say to a guy who doesn't want to settle down? 1:26:19 - What's worse, weed or alcohol? 1:27:30 - Do you write your sermons? 1:29:03 - Groupies? 1:30:13 - Conversion therapy

You've probably heard us on the boys' cast talking about Pastor James Manning. You've got an attitude about everything! The viral black pastor with millions and millions of views, dominating group chats with the controversial yet hilarious videos, which Danny has been obsessed with. Mondami going to freeze the landlord's rent, and the landlord will freeze your ass. You want to go inside of his lower intestines and pack whatever is in there.

Pack his dung. Jesus is black. Heaven is a ghetto. I reached out to him, not expecting a reply, but since he lives in Harlem, he agreed to come on the show to answer the many questions that I have. So without further ado, Pastor James Manning. The boys The boys cast All right

All right All right All right I mean The man who dominates our group chats Dominates our group chats Dominates that Is that the wrong audience

Would you say? No I mean I mean Here's my my question. Are you ever purposely trying to be funny? No, that's a great question. Okay. And by the way, it's the first time I've been asked. Okay. Because sometimes I'm like, you remind me of a, we're both comedians, and sometimes you remind me of a comedian and it's hard to tell. I'm like, how much of this is 100% like in earnest? Is there, you know, somewhat of a bit? What's going on? I do declare when I stand in the pulpit. I'm serious about salvation. I'm serious about

sin. I'm serious about economic conditions and situations. I don't go to the pulpit to be funny. People say I'm funny, but that was never my intent to be stand-up in the pulpit. And Pastor David Manning, for people who, I don't know if we introduced you, but like you've, you obviously, when did you start posting on Instagram? I don't know. It could be five years. Five years ago. But you've obviously seen the response. Yes, I have. Like you have clips out of 20 million views. Yeah, I've seen it. Unbelievable. I can hardly believe it myself, but yeah. Yeah. And what do you, like, when you see that, what you obviously, like this is, this is going far and wide. Yeah, I, I'm curious as to why people are listening. Is it because I'm funny?

Or is it because I'm dramatically honest about the conditions of people I'm addressing or situation or as a combination of both. I'm not, I'm wondering why. Because some of the videos that have gone, if you will, viral. Yeah. Have been around for a while. I've got one that just passed a million on Facebook that's been around for the last 16 years.

Oh, wow. All of a sudden, now it's at a million five, you know. I mean, like, you had one video, which I thought was maybe one of the funniest things I've ever heard. But when you said you wanted to Auschwitz, the Black Poll- Dachau, the Black politicians. Like, you have to. in your mind, you're like, that's kind of funny.

Yeah. Do you know what I thought about when doing that? I mean, how many people know about Ashwish, or Da Kow? Yeah. My audience may not necessarily be aware of those two camps. Sure. I was doing a little bit of word game.

Okay. But I thought there would be enough people who do know about those camps. Yeah. That would make it work. So that was one of my concern before saying it. Well, the message landed. Yeah. It certainly went to, by the way.

In case you're wondering. I'm serious about that. Yeah, yeah, no, I understand. So what is your, you don't see, do you like any politicians? No. Not. No. I don't.

I mean, I don't. I don't. I don't think that they are honest. I think it's all a bit of a game in many ways, playing with people's lives. I don't think that they have a serious bone about them. So, but black politicians are the worst of the worst. But I, I think, yeah, he always. I don't know.

But that's just, that's, that's my observation. Sure. I've been around for quite some time. I'm not a young man in that regard. But I, I don't have any affections for any of them. None of them. Not a fan. You obviously hate Mom Donnie.

Yeah. And we were just talking before it started. You have right by your church, they're opening up a free or discounted city-run grocery store thoughts. You know, hatred is probably, I mean, it's a term that probably I run away from as a a pastor from time to time to label myself as a hater. It kind of gets a lot of spiritual people going in the wrong direction. So, occasionally I use the word loath, which is kind of eases in from a different perspective. But I think Mondainty is a despicable human being,

that he truly is, that he is a hustler. And I think he hoodwinked a lot of people because of his youth, they thought perhaps he was not as skilled at evil as he is. But yeah, yeah, and so they opened up a supermarket, which I think also is, and they're opening up, if they're going to open up a supermarket, damn it, open up a supermarket on Fifth Avenue, a Park Avenue, and 57th Street, open it up in the extraordinary rich districts. If you're going to go to a public, why are you coming to the poor neighborhoods? You know what that does? it says to poor people that we really don't have to hustle to make it.

We can get free food. It destroys any, if you will, hoofs that people might have towards hustling to make a living for themselves. I think it's a disgrace. Yeah. And I think it's honorable. I think your main, if you can tell me if I'm correct or not, but your main thing is you care about your people and you want them to thrive. I do. That's like where everything kind of comes from.

You're absolutely correct. Thank you for that observation. You're absolutely correct. Yeah. And I know that free stuff, there is no free lunch. And to continue to push that as an idea destroys their willpower. It's an assault upon their integrity. It's an assault upon young people who grow up going to a free grocery store.

Because they see life that way and it doesn't give them an opportunity to have role models who go out and shop at fancy supermarkets are very, very good. fancy food store. So I think it's in the salt. Yeah, you don't like it. And this is probably just the start with Mom Dani. Yeah, if he gets that far, I got some plans to stop him.

Can't care to elaborate? Yeah, I, you know, I can't tell you what. Yeah, yeah, yeah, don't reveal the secret sauce. No, I'm not going to do that, you know, but I did them, to be sure. Okay. Absolutely. Okay. And so, yeah, I was just going to say, how did you become, how did you get

started as a pastor. I just want to become a pastor. I'm Jewish. Yeah, and I'll just add to that because, yeah, I was baptized. He's Jewish, so you know, obviously. He's not going to heaven. He's baptized Catholic? Anglican. Anglican.

Is that? Which one's worse? Which one's worse? That's a good question. If you had to I would think that, quite frankly, that the Anglican might be a little bit worse than the Jewish.

Let's go. Let's go. You know, I'm no offense. At the church my grandparents went to, there was a wedding there, and they have gay pastors. Yeah, yeah. He was flamboyant. Well, you know what? Hold on.

Sorry to cut you off. But now all, like if you're like a secular Jew and you get married, all the rabbis are women. Yeah. And mostly lesbians. And you blunt to reform Jewish. Well, so I went to, when you were. When I was a kid, the only synagogue we had near us was a conservative one. We're both Canadian.

So the only one was conservative, but I would say more, like, my parents were reform. It's just that's what was available. I've got news for you. A lot of Baptist, Black Baptist, Pentecostas are also homosexual, but they're in the closet. They're behind the curtain. Yeah. And it's been that way for years. But to respond to your question about how I became a person.

pastor, you know, I have a criminal background. I guess you've heard about that. I was a thief. And I robbed a lot of people's homes, especially Jewish homes. Okay. I regret that. Forgiven. Jesus forgives? I forgive. Thank you. But I'm truly sorry for going into people's homes and going through their jewelry boxes and upturning their mattresses and looking through their pillars and where people stuff their jewels. But Jewish people, I particularly spotted them out because Jewish men. What were the tells? Excuse me?

What were the towels? Yeah. They buy their wives jewels for every situation, anniversary, for Obama, it's for a whole lot of different stuff. If my wife is listening right now, that's not true. I said this to Michael Cohen there last, well, the Sunday night on the Fernando Mateo show, and he said the reason why he buys wife jewels for every occasion is because he wants to have sex with her. Jewish women will not have sex with their husband unless they got some gold.

It's also not true. Some of us lay it down. Yeah, but I, you know, I was arrested and I was in prison. And how did you get into crime? How did that start? I thought that I could do something about the conditions of black people and black men in particular. in the late 60s and early 70s when heroin was king. This is before your time.

But there was a time in New York City and among the black community where heroin addicts, black people coming out of the transition of the Dr. King's civil rights ideology coming off the plantations, got caught up in heroin use coming in from China and from other parts of the world. And black men became addicted. And it was an epidemic, almost genocidal. And I had a job. I was a marketing executive for Procter & Gamble.

I had my own private car, my own expense account, and I was doing marketing of products for Procter & Gamble. I was marketing Kress and gleam and a lot of toothpaste, a lot of other stuff. And I had a great life. Yeah, I seem to be. Yeah, I know, air-conditioned car, which was very rare. And I'm riding around in the ghetto and I'm watching my brothers nodding out on dope. and I thought, I got to do something to help them. The dumb thing I did was I quit my,

I walked into the regional office for Procter & Gamble was in Scarsdale, New York. They have their regional post. And I walked into my unit manager's office and gave him the keys and my credit cards and all the other stuff that belonged to Procter and Gamble. I told him I quit. I just walked out. And I ultimately got involved in crime. as a result of not having a job, I started stealing.

But my purpose, the reason why I did that was because I thought, like now, and you might say, well, my God, you have made very much progress and you'd be absolutely right. I still wanna help black folk. Now, listen, I'm not a racist in that regard that somehow another, I hate white folk or dislike, I've never had that in my spirit, but when I say I wanna help black folk

because they need help more than any other persons on the planet right now in every regard. I mean, Africa is perhaps the least economically well-being continent on the planet. And the people that live there live under circumstances probably worse than people in Calcutta or in India. So there is a, if you will, motif or reason for why I'm trying to help black folk.

And I have helped a lot of black folk. But I ended up in prison. because I was a jewel thief. I got caught robbing people's homes, and I spent time and it was there that I decided that I wanted to turn my life around. And Jesus came to see it. You weren't religious before that?

Well, you know, I've been to church, but... But not. I think the word was, yes, I was religious, but I wouldn't say if I didn't get about... The commandments are living right. Do you think you were maybe like a little possessed? When? When you were committing the crimes?

By an evil spirit? Something that was making you do bad things. I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, ask them, excellent question. Can I write them down? It's a good question. I, I'm never been asked that before. Um, what would be my response? Was I, or just kind of off track? I, I think that I was, yes, I had a very strong inclination spiritually, uh, to do what I was doing. I, I don't know, use a, I, I, I don't know, use, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was. Yes, I don't know, I was, I was the term possessed puts it in the evil categories possesses always if you're talking spiritual church people it always means something evil yeah i wouldn't want to i don't know yeah yeah i was possessed yes okay what happens when you're in jail when you first get there was it uh did you have to fight anyone like all the standard jail stuff or were you no i know and and surprisingly uh that i never had to fight anyone. I think that once I was there, six months after I was there, I was saved and

everybody began to call me preacher. And they respected that. I did have a fight, a potential fight. This was a potential rape. I was in the Brooklyn House of detention. I was in the shower. And I go to shower every night at the same time. And there was these two guys that had planned to rape me. I didn't know it at the time. So I'm in the shower, you know, you're in the shower. It's one, you know, one person's shower. You can't, not more than one person. And I'm, you know, shower and then they come and they pulled a little raggedy curtain. They pulled the curtain back. And there I am stark naked, and they're looking at me. And they're ready to come in to rape me. and this this Muslim guy

who was in jail for killing a state trooper on New Jersey Turnpike along with another woman going back many years ago again before your time and he was brought into New York to stand trial from charges in New York was a Muslim and he was

good at karate or whatever it was it was and he came up and said you're not going to rape him you're not going to do that and they backed the way that's the closest i came to any kind of a fight the muslims don't get down with the gay stuff

no no so he but they and he would be i became his friend quite frankly i mean you owed him for sure yeah i would have been raped that night to be sure what would have happened you would have to i guess you would have fought it off or you know when you don't have your clothes on i don't know if you quite vulnerable yeah oh he has sex with a shirt on but don't i mean if you're just having a pair of shorts you feel you can defend you. But when you're naked, it's another scene altogether and you're on a slippery floor.

It's two of them and there's no guards in sight that's going to come. In fact, many of the guards inside of the prisoners themselves are homosexuals and that's one of the reason why they take. Now, not every one of them, but a lot of them take the jobs

because it gives them exposure to men that they like in terms of sexual ideologies. But that was that, yeah. So now you're become a thief, you go to jail, that's where you've become a pastor. And then when you come out, is it short after you start your church? I become Jesus saved. Jesus saved? In the prison. I spent another three years walking the halls of prisons in Florida and in New York. And when I come out of prison, I go to this church up in Harlem. And the pastor takes me in. It makes me his assistant.

the first day I joined, he makes me as a sister, and I drive him around for a year or so, and he dies. In the process, he ordains me to be a minister, to be a preacher. And when he dies, the church voted me in to be the pastor, and that's how I became a person. What year was that? That was 1981. Oh, okay. So you're older than both of us? Yeah, I would think of that. It's been a long time. Yeah, it's been a long time. Don't tell anybody. How's

Like With the social media stuff Has your congregation grown? Not really No It did during the Obama years When I was calling Obama

Long-Legged Mac Daddy No Can you elaborate on what that means? Yeah Well a Mac Is a Pimp Okay

And he, and a Mac daddy, Pemps, I don't know if it still happens, but back in my era, during those years, pimps used to have an annual convention. They call it the Pimp's Ball. And like any other group of people across America, they choose a city to have their convention in, whether it's Detroit, Atlanta, or Dallas. and the person who was the most successful Mac or the most successful Pimp at that ball, at that convention was awarded the Mac Daddy status. I knew the Chappelle sketch. I didn't know that was real.

The player hitters ball. Yeah, yeah. And so the term long-legged Mac Daddy came from the idea in journalism when a story has legs. that it goes on and on and on and on. So with the help of the Lord, I named them the long-legged Magdanny. Everybody liked that. It's a good leg, damn. Have you ever had where, let's say you're going really hard on Obama or someone like that, right?

Right. Or, you know, saying your prescription for the black community. And then you get, like, a lot of white people join, and you're kind of like, this guy's here for the wrong reasons. And that's what happened. You get a bunch of like, that's what happened. Like clapping at the wrong parts? I had people coming from all over America, not just joining the church. More than 1,500 people Americans joined the church, but thousands of others were online.

And these people actually travel from various states here in the United States and sat in the pew. White people, though. White people. Right. How did you feel about that? I mean, I was okay with it. They gave a lot of all friends there. I was good with that.

They had, you know, they had substance. They had, if you will, equity. Many of them invited me to their homes and presently where they lived. They were able to make great contributions. Now, I wasn't fishing for them as members of the church because they had substance or that. They had income, but it didn't hurt.

The fact that they had that. And they were very generous. And they all stayed with me until I started calling Donald Trump. Trump, pathological. Oh, that's when they switched. And they all left. You lost them all. They all moved out.

So they liked it when you were trashing Obama's. Yeah, but they didn't like it when I started, you know, trashing, if you will, to use the term of pathological Trump. So the church got blacker again under the Trump here? That's another one. Yeah, the church got black again. Yeah. I got to tell a congregation about it.

Yeah. Well, it seemed like, I remember I heard you say that when you're running for May or the biggest thing that you were kind of getting in trouble for was kind of you're basically saying like you can't be gay, right? Right. Yeah. I was, you know, the, let me preface it by saying, you know, if you want to have sex or man wants to have sex with another man, knock yourself out. If that is, I mean, if that's what you. you want to do. But the issue is this, is that the Bible says, man shall not lie with man as with womankind. Jesus supported and affirmed, because Moses said initially, Jesus affirmed it by saying

that he didn't come to change any of the laws of Moses. He came to upheld them and to uphold them, rather and to fulfill them. And then the Apostle Paul also states that it is wrong. And my belief system, I believe the Bible. And the Bible says it's wrong. Then I am not going to contradict Jesus or Moses because somebody feels that that's the kind of sexual interaction they want to have. So I proclaim it is wrong.

I don't hate anybody who wants to do it. I mean, people do a whole lot crazy sexual things. They ain't got nothing to telling everybody about what they do sexually, you know, and they wanted me to approve of some of your sexual practices. Yeah. You know, in denial of my core beliefs in the Word of God, my constitutional rights to believe what I believe, give me that. However, I've stated, I mean, you may have heard me say that the 14th Amendment and the constitutional right marriage and the First Amendment cannot coexist. That is to say you cannot say people have the right and the freedom of speech while at the

same time denying them the biblical freedom to speak what they believe in the Bible. Those two cannot coexist together. So you sort of put it in the same category as like if you're having sex out of wedlock or you're doing a bondage outfit, you're like I put them all in the same category. What's your name again? Ryan. Ryan, you're pretty good. Go ahead.

Yeah, yeah, no, no, no, yes, that's where I put it, yeah, I wouldn't, I wouldn't say, you know, go ahead and have sex, whatever woman you want to have sex, I wouldn't ever you do it, yes, your business, yes, yes. Okay, so let's say in your hierarchy, like if you're just like, okay, you can't, you can't, you can do that, but you're not going to be in my church. I didn't mean to overlook you, but I had beat him up on being, uh, Anglican, that's okay. I gave him the juice. Don't, don't worry about me. I'm just honored you here. What is the policy on two chicks? Like, would you put those in the same category? Like, if a dude had a threesome with two chicks, would you say that's equally as bad?

Unmarried. No, I would not because... Nice. You might see us on Sunday. His grandfather, Abraham, had sex with both Sarah. And boys. Yeah. Sarah, who was the other one?

Elizabeth. No. Wait, there's like an Abraham in the Jewish Bible? Yeah, yeah, that's the Old Testament. He bangs dudes? No. Oh, he bangs two chicks. Yeah, he had two wives.

They all had multiple wives. Hagar. Hagar, yeah. Hagar is her name. He had sex with her, and Sarah knew that he was having sex. And by the way, that his other cousin named Jacob had sex with Rachel and another, his wife named Leah. And they were sisters, too, by the way.

Banging two sisters? Well, the communities were small. Communities were small back then. You know, there wasn't a lot of people. I'm not sure that cleans that up. I don't know if they cleaned it up. But the communities were small back then. There weren't a lot of people around.

If they won't. But that's what they did. And everybody agreed with it. But, no, I would not, you know, I think that. And there's nothing in the Bible about that. What? What he mentioned? Well, there's nothing in the Bible about threesomes.

Because that's technically, if they're with two women, they are being lesbians, but like, kind of. Well, you know, I'm, stated as well that women can't really be homosexuals. So do we. Kind of. Kind of. We say the same thing. You're going to tell me the reason why you say it?

Well, because they always, they're, it's when it's trendy, they're gay, and then they are like, we're gay, and then they always stand up with a man, though. I've said a lot of chicks you can convince to have, like, a three-sim and make-out with another chick, and it's not that big of a deal. So you wouldn't be surprised at the number of women that you don't know about that had that bad had sex with other women. Oh, of course. Yeah, exactly. I mean, it's a, it's, I mean, it's, I mean, it's zero because you can't have sex

without a penis, but that's what I, that's what, that's what a woman can't penetrate. So, therefore I take away the old woman. Wait until I see him with his chicken the strap on. It's a man of a cloth here, Ryan. You're right. Okay. I'll clean it up a little bit here. But yeah, so. I'm good. Man of the cloth.

Yeah, no one's ever called me that. Okay. So, if you are, not actually. does answer my question. I don't need to go on more into the gay stuff. Okay, we can move on from the gay stuff. Yeah. Okay. Um, one more. Oh, sorry. Last gay question is, do you think there's a racial part of it where for some, is there a reason why black guys like gay jokes less than white guys? And do you find that? Yeah, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, to hide their gay fetishes and tendencies more so than white guys.

It's less acceptable in the community? Yeah, for those reasons, absolutely. What are the reasons? What do you think that is? Yeah, he just told you. It's less acceptable in the community. Yeah. No, but I was asking why do you think it's acceptable?

Oh, why is it less acceptable? Oh, why is it? Okay. Because the community, well, the community at large does not accept it. So you're not accepted if you promote it as a lifestyle for yourself. So they tend to hide it. Grandmama doesn't go along with it. Everybody looks at you like you're weird.

You're actually a queer. And so basically they hide their gayness. And I would think something similar in Islam. Like they're not really too keen on that either. No, they're not, mainly because of their own ideas of sexual, if you were, practices. But, I mean, it's something that people do that I think that it's growing because it gets a lot of promotion. but it's always been around. It's never a time when it wasn't.

I mean, if it's referenced in the Bible, then it's been around since time immemorial. Absolutely. Yeah. It has been. I always think sometimes there's like a pride component of it. Like people talk about, you know, even, you know, like Irish people are like more proud. It's kind of, you know, the idea of like when you bump someone at a bar, if you're like kind of a more proud culture, like prison's the most like that.

Where it's like anyone gives you the slightest little bit of like bump, you have to fight them. Honor culture, kind of. Yeah, yeah, yeah. When you're very like that, you're just like, that joke would diminish my masculinity, and I have to let everyone know that's not a, that's, I'm very masculine. Yeah. Yeah, I, that does happen. But you know, my life has, strangely enough, I've been through prison. And except for that one attempt to rape me, I have, I've had men join our congregations. and I certainly don't want to be unpastoral here and by speaking ill against anyone who has trusted me to be their pastor, but there have been men who have joined our congregation for the express purpose of thinking that maybe they could have sex with me.

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There was just gay people, but there was no like Pride festival. Right. I was here before Stonewall. Right, right, right. But like pride is like one of the biggest sins. It is the ultimate. The ultimate sin. Right.

And then now they have a festival. And I think, you know, I'm not anti-gay or anything, but I do find that almost like a funny juxtaposition. where, you know, they literally have, they named their movement after the... After one of these... The original sin. I've labeled it, and I'm right about it because I'm right about everything, but seriously, I've labeled it as the original sin that took place in heaven.

That pride is what calls the, if you will, beautiful angel, Lucifer to rise up against the throne of God. And it was that spirit that also led him to contemplate homosexuality or sex between the different angel brands of the seraphems and the cherubims. And so pride is a sin that happened in heaven. It was not brought to earth. And when Craig Smoonsner, or whatever his name was, named the entire movement, the pride movement, he was actually referencing something original from the Bible. Really? So you think that that was not a coincidence? No, I don't think so.

I think that. Because I always wanted, yeah, I did always wonder about that. That I'm, you know, it's original. Because obviously, you know, Christians believe what they believe, which is a constitutional right in this country. And then obviously there's this, you know, element of like being forced, this forced acceptance element. It's just like to name it specifically pride seems like a bit of, baiting them.

But couldn't you say the same thing about like black pride or Irish pride or your white pride? Like, could. Yeah, I suppose. Yeah, you could. Like every group kind of. Yeah, but there's no. There's nothing in the Bible about, I guess, pride, but yeah. You could use it generically.

But if you want to talk about the original status of pride, it originated in heaven in terms of what I preach and what I believe the Bible teaches. What do you think this is the podcast is the boys' cast? And I wanted to say what you think the biggest problem, the dudes are doing wrong and chicks are doing wrong, but starting with dudes. like what are the biggest things if you see like young people at the church this and that where you're just like men need to get this together like this is your biggest problem are you going to dissect that into races yeah you if you if you want to say like if the black guys have this problem white guys have this problem that's fine yeah yeah but but but i meant more in general like a young man like i'll give you examples for example a lot of people will be just like dudes are watching way too much porn or like uh dudes are too feminine like there's lots of different ways that people describe things that young men need to do differently. But yeah, if you want to say it's black guys like this and white guys like this. I think that black guys have lost their machismo.

I think they have lost their masculinity. And not that they're gay or homosexual or queer, but they mainly are being raised by their mothers because you're looking at a cadre of the last generation, if not four decades of women raising children without fathers, many of them in prison, and many of them have abandoned a family. So when you got a woman that's raising, a woman really can't raise a boy, a man, she really can't raise children.

She needs the help of a man to do that. What has happened to the black community is genocidal in as much in terms of tearing away the strength of a man to be a black man to be a man. He really is what I've referred to as a push. these days that he's not I would not call them that but I would no he isn't he isn't I mean if you look at Irish men that or Italian men they'll fight your ass in a minute you know they're very if you will combative you know they're ready to fight they're ready to die you know about the slight slightly saying I'm not putting the Irish

People are Italian people down. But I'm talking about what black men are not like that. They used to be like that. You used to be afraid to go to a black bar because there'd be a fight to be sure. But not anymore. That's all gone. And along with that is gone the economic drive. Along with that is gone the, if you will, learning how to take care of a home,

how to raise children, how to be responsible for the economic needs of a house and a community, that's gone. And it's been gone now for a generation and it's getting worse. If white folk took carefully the things I'm saying and they invaded, they invaded, y'all invaded Harlem. Sure. We call it gentrifying. Yeah. You don't like gentrifying. You're against it? The men did not stand up and say, hell no, y'all not coming up here, taking out. our houses, closing down our churches and our schools, you're not going to do it. You're not taking, you go to hell somewhere as you're white. You can go anywhere you want to go. You're not coming to Harlem, but the men, they counter. What should they have done?

They should have fought back. They should have done something. They should not have blowered. I think if they just stood up en masse and said, now this ain't going to happen. If you look in New York City, the largest portion, while black people, I think even make up, at some point they're competing with being a smaller group of people than Jews who make up only the other I think it's just similar yeah somewhere but they make up the largest amount of homeless people in New York City and and and and and mainly men but the very fact that they didn't fight you know for Mondami says he he allied and said that that Eric Adams changed the name of little Italy to something else he

lined through his Muslim teeth but the fact that the Italians said, hell no, you're not going to do that. Italians weren't happy with that. No, black folk just let, they just rolled over and let y'all white folk come up there and take everything. I mean, when they tried to get rid of the Columbus statues,

they were guarding them 24 hours a day. Absolutely. The Italians, they wouldn't have it. Yeah. That's gone. We used to be that way. Going back 70 years ago, but not anymore. But do you think, okay,

If you describe it like that, do you think that it's good that all the neighborhoods are segregated? Because if you're like, okay, so you don't want white people moving in here, then it's like, that's all black, that's all white, and then... Well, I'm a segregationist. Oh, okay. Case close. And not that I'm racist. Right. If one can be open-minded enough to discover the distinction between the two, I'm a segregationist because I believe that people are who they are because of who they are.

and to integrate yourself with people of different backgrounds, different ideologies, and many times different, if you real, anatomical systems, creates problems. I think people that live together, who I like together, stay together, I think they do well together. Sure. And I mean, a lot of people are segregationists. They just don't openly say it. But, I mean, again, you have little Italy and Chinatown and little, whatever. Like, you know, you have all these enclaves where you have the Hasidic Jews who they're just like that whole area is just them. Now, they might not say

openly, but they are. And they thrive. Yes. You know, if you go to Williamsburg, they thrive as Jews in that neighborhood and they feel safe around one another. If you go to Chinatown or you see a Chinese man humped over, you know. But they do what they do. And you can since that you don't belong there. You know that you don't belong there.

Okay, not to live out on you guys, but like we're from Toronto. We're Canadian. Apologies again. And that city's like very not, like I grew up in the high school, where I grew into high school, it wasn't like there's the black school and the Chinese school. It was very like everyone's the same. And I thought that was cool. Like, for example, all the white guys grew up with that influence.

Like even if you watch like rap music from Toronto, it kind of has like white music influence and vice versa. And in a way, like, I thought that was like a better way to do it than everyone be in their specific pockets. And where I grew up, I grew up on, he grew up on the east side of Toronto. I grew up west and where I grew up, my school was all white and I also thought that was cool. So. White or Jewish. Why? No, no, no, no, no, no. Someone had to say it. No, that is a big, that is a big distinction. It is weird because it depends who you ask, Like in the, you know, the industry that we're in the entertainment industry, I'm considered white.

That's a recent development. Right. And like, post like all the diversity stuff, they're just like, you're white. But then when you talk to people who are a little more like into that stuff, they're like, no, you're not white. But no, I went to public high school. Okay. And there were like no, I was maybe 1,600 kids. I would say 1,570 of them were just white Christian.

Okay. Yeah. All right. So you think there's sort of a thing where it's like the black, the white guys and the Jews are sort of bringing all their stuff to Harlem and almost like ruining the area with it? I consider it cultural genocide to be absolutely sure. And I don't think any philosopher, teach, a historian, any damn body else, including Ken Burns can tell me that I'm wrong, that they have culturally defrocked, they have culturally raped Harlem. They have raped it of. I'm old enough to remember when. Yeah, what was it like? What was it your first? The streets were filled with the rhythms of the sounds of James Brown, the temptations,

the Supremes. And you had a sense that black people's rhythm was there. There's a thing that was developed along those years called soul. And they call it soul music. Sure. With soul music, which indicated something of a spiritual connotation to black people. And there was, there's a New York, for instance, to better explain it, New York City as opposed to Toronto, has its own type of energy.

You feel differently in New York than you do in Toronto. Because of the... Harlem had an energy that almost made you feel like I was having sex just walking down the street. I do declare before God. I'm not lying. That's just how sexy it was. When I was 18, 18, 19 years old and walking down the 125th Street and dealing with all the black people, and their sense, it was like having sex and orgasms.

That's how much I loved being around black people. I loved being around their restaurants, their food. All that's gone now. You got white men with their hands like this and their flip-flop shoes and their damn short pants on. Sure. Not a fan. You don't like the hipster influx.

Who? The hipsters? That's what that is? That's what that is, yeah. No, I don't like it. Now, how do you reconcile the, you know, what your anti-gentrification stance is quite similar to a lot of the DSA candidates, the Democratic Socialists? They also think that they're against the gentrification.

They're like, you know, whites and Jews buying up too much land in Harlem. They want them out. Yeah. He's saying you sound like a socialist. No, I'm not. That's why I was a bit confused. Well, I said, how do you reconcile it? I, of course, no, you're not. I know you have great

disdain for the... They've got a motive. They're up to something. Okay. They're up to something. They're up to getting the votes of poor, unled people. They're up to getting the votes of people who don't have equity, who don't have any economic

strongholds. They're up to getting those people's votes. So one of the ways that they do is that they relate to the fact that okay, we're against gentrification. But hell, the bitches that run Black Lives Matter lived in $15 million.

One house. Multiple. Multi-million dollars, right? Several. Yeah. So the game is this, and the same game that Mondami is playing. The game is this. Y'all ain't got no damn sense. You don't have anything. You don't have any equity. You live from

paycheck to paycheck. Halfway through the damn week you broke. So here's what we'll do. We'll say that we're for you. We'll say that we're against your rents too high. We'll say that you shouldn't have to pay for this. They don't really mean They don't really want to see people prosper. They don't want to see black folk up in Harlem down on Wall Street.

They don't want to see that. What they want to see. What they want is they want that vote. They get that vote, and then they're gone off and lived their own richly lives as rich as they're possible. So they're not trying to enfranchise them necessarily. They're just trying to kind of get them dependent on handouts, just going a different route. Yeah, yeah. Dependent is the word.

Yes. That's the best word for it. Yeah. You think you're, because I know your church is quite controversial. it's considered at such. Maybe you think so unfairly, but you think your message would be pretty well received. Yeah, but it isn't.

And maybe that's part of the struggle here. More recently, obviously, people online across America have begun to listen to what I've said. But I've been saying this for years. I didn't just start last week. It just kind of caught, if you will, onto the imagination of people a few months ago. But I've been saying this for quite some time.

I don't think that that'll be much longer before there is a ride in New York City. Because if people continue to hear what I say, anger is going to develop. If people internalize and then do the historical look and look about them and see our sons and daughters don't have fathers, our mothers don't have husbands, We don't have very much of anything. How did we get this way? Why is it our history proves that we were once a greater people? And they're going to want it all back. Yeah.

Do you have any theories on how it got this way? Because it wasn't this way 50 years ago, right? No, it wasn't. It got this way, starting with the likes of Dr. King, who became extraordinarily popular. The media gave him the world, made him actually king. And he, along with the politicians such as Lyndon Johnson and Kennedy and others, introduced to black people, there was something else other than being slavery or picking cotton or working on a plantation or being a janitor or gas jockey.

You can protest white folk. You can put together programs and get annual budgets for income for your family, for your community by protesting white folk. It has become a cottage industry. And everywhere you look, those are the people that are respected in the black community. We don't have major allies, we don't own, we don't even own an ambulance company.

But what we are noted for is doing business as civil rights leaders as attacking America for being what it is, attacking white folk and politicians and attacking the structure. That's where, and then same thing with rap music, that comes up, one of the things that made it so popular was it came out as a frontal attack on the police. It came out as a frontal attack even on some of our cultural ideas. So we don't own anything. We don't own buildings. We don't own property. We don't, I mean, I was in a hotel there, I was looking at the locks that they have, the various kind of door handles that they have.

that those locks and door handles are sold all over America in hotel room. Black people don't manufacture anything. The only thing they manufacture is politics, civil rights, and getting money from white folk through legislation. Yeah. And a lot of the DSA candidates I noticed, like, a main thing with them is they just hate America. That's true. Yeah.

And that's absolutely, I'm glad you know it. Oh, yeah, yeah. I mean, it's pretty evident. They don't seem to. And they tell black folk it's all right to hate America as well. They tell black folk, and America's a great name. I love America. It's a best country in the world.

I'm not going anywhere. I'm living there in America and don't try to put me out. I'm damn sure I ain't going back to Africa. You know, but they say it's all right to hate America. It's all right to hate its structure. America's a great nation. She's on her way down, obviously. but they make money by teaching people to hate this great nation.

Why do you think America is on its way down? Yeah, go ahead. You know, dropping a little name dropping or whatever it is I'm dropping. I did a speech at Oxford University, St. Anthony's College at Oxford University, going back, I don't know, 10, 15 years ago. And in my speech, what I stated that global civilizations have had a shelf life of about 250 years. Egypt, its time of most prominence and world global dominance was about that Rome, the same thing. And the same thing with the Ottoman Empire and with England. And America has reached her shelf life, according to all other, major, one time Rome ruled the world.

At one point in time, it was boasted in the United Kingdom that the sun never set, because England was so colonized in so many different places, it was such a powerful. Now it was just a whimper of what it used to be, and the same thing's going to happen to America. England had that, yeah. Yeah, England was a powerful nation. What about some of those Asian empires went a little long? longer, like the Mongols? Yeah, I think the Ming Dynasty went along for about a thousand years.

Yeah. But it also conceded. And I, you know, the Asian ideas, I think it's a little bit different from the, I think, the Western world's way of looking at that 250 cap that I talked about. But a longer term view? Yeah. Huh? Like they have a longer term view?

Yeah. Because their ideas of religion, their ideas of society were different. But the other reason is Donald Trump, you know. I think he's going to put the fire. Do you think he's a bit of an antichrist? Well, I think he's a, I think he is the servant of Satan. I believe this. Yeah.

My dad thinks. Also doesn't love him. That's what a lot of dads think. I think that he, I think he bows down to the commands of the one Satan of the genesis of evil. I think that he does, I think he bows down to that. Which is what? Is that money? Why he does it? What is the Genesis of Evil, the main Satan?

Satan is it? By Genesis, I mean, there is nothing behind Satan. There was nothing evil before him. So he is the genesis. It's the start of evil. And that's who's, and Trump, I think Trump bows down to that ideology and to that principle and to that power, by the way. And as a result of that, what he has done. with the Iranian war has brought and it hasn't come full sting yet but though the Iranians have been bombed to hell most people around the world are laughing at the fact that a superpower can't take down the Iranian nation happens a lot kind of

it's been happening quite a bit since World War II yeah but not as demonstrably as it is with Trump and Iran I mean they got out of Iran with Saddam Hussein and they left Afghanistan with their tails between their legs. It was shameful as well. And the same thing with Russia can't beat Ukraine either. I mean, if you look at the battle that's been going on for years, that that mighty superpower has not been able to take down a small satellite of what used to be a part of their nation. But no America is on its way out.

It is. What do you think happens next? What does it look like? I think that Jesus comes back. I think that Jesus returns. After that which he has created is completely destroyed, and America is the last vestige of that. Jesus returns, and he sets up a thousand years of humanity reigning with him,

and then there's going to be a new heaven and a new earth. Now, that's what the Bible teaches. Don't expect y'all to just jump on that and believe that. But what I would want you to know, that I'm not popping this off the top of the head. I'm saying that's what the Bible is. During that thousand years that Jesus returns, do people stop dying? That's a great question. And are people stop giving birth?

That's another great question. Absolutely. And I'm working on the answer to that. Before Almighty God, you just, maybe you have the answer. I do not have the answer. I have no answers. The other question is, do people get married during that thousand year? Because if they did get married, then births would be possible.

But there's a strong, if you will, indication that there will be no new births during the new... It's almost like a purgatory on Earth kind of? I don't know if you would call it... I would call it Paradise. Or Paradise, yeah. But the... But Mondani would still be here? I hope not.

Well, doesn't sound like paradise. No. Okay. No, no, there's a layered resurrection process whereby there's a first resurrection, according to the Book of Revelations, where people who are honored before Almighty God immediately get raised from the grave, and they spend the 1,000 years, people like the Apostle Paul or King David or Moses and all that crowd, right? Yes.

They get resurrected immediately, and they spend the 1,000 years for Jesus. people such as yourself and I can take it I can take it don't sugarcoat this for me I can take it You're saying fire return it Yeah you're going to spend some time You're saying he's going to do a bid

Yeah you are And then maybe you'll get resurrected But not necessarily to paradise You'll get resurrected And you'll be asking a lot of questions About what did you do about this What do about homosexuality? What'd you do about just for

Can I pull a Fauci in just Fifth Amendment? Probably. Plead the Fifth. I don't know if you work, but you can certainly do it. I'm no gentrifier. I live in a pretty Asian-white area, so. Anyway. So when I look at,

so just to wrap up that question, which was originally sort of the version of like, what do you think men should do differently? And you were kind of more like, this is my prescription for sort of black dudes. But like, this kind of goes both ways because when I look at, I was kind of thinking the other day, I was talking like, if I look at like my squad of friends and we're all like 40 years old and I would say like one and 10 are married, like on the extended, maybe like a few have kids,

but it's just like, and if you look at the stats, you go women that are like 30 that are unmarried kids, all that sort of stuff. It's like, and you go, maybe that should, you know, on the one side, maybe people are alarmist about it because I think. like, well, maybe just everyone does everything like six years later than they used to, and you kind of look at it that way? Or do you think it's like, no, that's, or the other option is you don't know what's sort of a lost generation where like, it goes back to normal, but millennials were sort of like a lost generation in that sense, and it's sort of an anomaly. Or option three is like, no, this is like a trend that like is the end of everything.

How do you feel about that? I think the latter might be accurate. You know, word is creeping into the community that white boys aren't having sex anymore. Maybe this one. I'm serious. What do you mean by that? That's what people have been saying to you? That's what the word is up in home?

That's the word of Parlo? Y'all are having any sex that white men is 30 years old and maybe they've had sex once. I have seen these stats. It's like 30% of white dudes like haven't had sex in a year or something. I don't know if it said white dudes.

Yeah. I don't mean to be really. about saying white dudes. It's fine. I'm not even white. I'm not even white. You're right. There's a lot of white dudes getting it in.

I just want to put that out there. But you know, the other thing is, is that I think to ask a question you asked some time ago about why people are all of a sudden paying attention to what I'm saying is that a lot of men are listening to what I say and say they want to be the same way. they want to, that's what a man, they're, they're judging me as a man and they think I'm talking like a man now. And that's one of the reason why they're flocking back to me in terms of listening to who I am. There's definitely lots of people like that right now where it's, the man's spear is, is, the man's fear, yeah. Of course. Of course.

It became very popular a few years. Yeah, the man's true. By the way, I'm not copying any of that. Right. You're like an OG probably of that stuff. I, I'm just doing what I'm doing because and just kind of some of the maybe the opinions overlapped yeah perhaps yeah which is you know the stuff you're saying i would say in the manosphere is just these are more traditional things it has this cultural if you will be into it uh but what i'm doing i think uh has a as a plea i'm i'm crying for help quite frankly and i'm i'm crying out to people who are in a desperate state of being that they need to listen they need to change course they need to take dr king down off the roster oh that's a tough ask yeah it is but it needs to be done you don't think that's a good

message that uh treat everyone kind of the same based on their skin not based on their skin well i mean you can say that as a good mess i mean a whole lot of things can be said as good but you know what he pointed out to have happened is a nightmare rather than a dream because we've become worse you're You're saying it led somewhere that you don't like. Who? You're saying it like leads to some the wrong way. Unintended consequences. It started the cottage industry.

Before that, we were building schools like Howard University and the Morehouse College. We had the Freedom National Bank. We had several major, if you will, marketing people and entrepreneurs that were selling products. We had our own segregated schools that we had, there was a place in Tulsa, Oklahoma, called Black Wall Street where blacks prospered greatly. They owned land from the 40 acres and a mule establishment at the end of the World, the Civil War. Then all of that collapsed like a house of cards.

We no longer pursue those. We no longer build a great institution. And black people don't want to go to black institution. They want to go to Ivy League schools. They want to go to white schools. They get a better name. All of that has collapsed. And watching it from the inside of it.

where I sit. So that's when it started, and it's getting worse, as I said now, for the fifth time here, in terms of where we are as people. Hmm. And is it like, do you think, like, because I would say people who disagree with you, maybe black people would say they would blame white people. Do you consider that just like a lack of agency to a degree? I think that.

Because I think they would say, you know, this is some conspiratorial thing where the whites conspired to like, you know, the Black Wall Street, they burned it down. and every time we try to do something, they stop us. Yeah, and it's promoted by white liberals, if you will. It's a lie for the most part, but it's something that sells. You could not sell me the lie or the ideology or the concept politically that white folk are holding me down. You can't sell that to me.

You can't do that. One is that Jesus says you can't break into a strong man's house and spoil his goods unless you're stronger than him. I'm doing a book that I'll publish shortly whereby I stated that apartheid in South Africa may not have been as bad as one would think. That's a tough sell right now. Well, what happened was the Zulus and the Afrikaners were battled for over 100 years. They kept battling one another.

As the Afrikaners came from Europe and tried to take the land and the Zulus beat them back. But then the Afrikaners won. Yeah. And when they won the nation, they were in charge of the government. Boys, when we are kids, summer meant freedom. No homework, no lunches, no school. And as adults, summer still can mean freedom thanks to Mint Mobile's summer sale. Right now, all of Mint's plans are $15 a month, even unlimited.

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He also said... What do you say in the Bible? It said that... That we should be the service to Japheth and to Shem. We shall serve them. That black people, or Hamites at the time, shall serve Japheth and Shem. Japheth is known as white folk, like yourself. and Shem is

Any mention Chinese people in the Bible? Not really. No. They kind of just ducked this whole thing? They are, I have broken them down to being Hamas. They belong to, I call them black tops. Anybody with black, Chinese said people have black hair. Black tops.

Black tops? I might start using that way. I don't know what he calls. But we were ordained of God to be slaves. to white folk and the Jews. Both for what purpose? Because it sounds like you were saying this is God's greater, grander plan. This is an element of it.

You can call it that. I think that's an excellent way of putting out right there in my bookmaking. No need to credit me. I'm not going to give me any money for that. No need to pay me. No need to pay me. But no, it is true. The Bible says it.

And I think the way we're going to rectify this problem is that black people are going to have to admit that that it was ordained that we should be slaves. That would change the dynamics. That would take off. That would almost be freeing. What? It would be like freeing of this burden. Yes. Right?

You would say like, you know. Please, your people are also slaves. Yeah, my people were also slaves. You know what you were. I mean, somebody say they were the first slaves. Yeah, you were. And we still, we have Passover every year. I was going to say it, but you beat me to us.

We still bring it up. Yeah. Yeah, every Passover. So the fact that you were slaves, in fact, the Passover got started, where you were slaves that you just said that, in Egypt. Yeah. Right? Yeah, it was about the Exodus from Egypt.

Black people are going to have to do the same thing. A Black Passover. I don't have a Black Passover, but they're going to have to. Blackover. They're going to have to say that it was, that God ordained us to be in. America as slaves and all this rhetoric and all this fighting and hatred and division that we have had for years has been wrong. It's been anti-God. I mean, that is, like, now, I've never thought about it, but now that you say it, like, Jews kind of did what you're saying. They did. They just kind of

go, yeah, that was like the deal. That's what God intended. And then got past that. It's not, like, a massive part of our identity. Obviously, it was much longer ago. It wasn't as recent. And then they've flourished ever since. I think the greatest religious holiday among Jewish, I'm not Jewish, I can't be absolutely sure, it's the Passover. Yeah. And the Passover is about slavery. It's about the fact Jews were liberated

from slavery. And I think By God. Yeah. And they were given a problem, they were given a land. God put them in slavery, and God took them out and gave the Jews of land. And that's a large part of what we teach as Christians and as black people in general. Why can't they accept it for themselves.

And the reason why they can't accept it is because of people like Dr. King and others, you know. Long like McAddy? Yeah, him too. We were brought to America's slaves, but we accepted Jesus when we were Muslims or voodoo workers. We were not about Jesus and Africa. Yeah. But we accepted Jesus. We learned the language.

We learned to read the Bible. that one truth that I believe that I'm speaking will be global changing of the whole world situation if black people bow down and say on mass we love America and we thank God for the white man we thank God that we're here

we've had an opportunity to live great lives where we were in the Congo someplace we'd be dying at 40 years of age malaria or something why can't we say that? I'm not going to catch me pitching that message drunk at a bar. This is more his message, not ours.

This is Pastor Manning's. We're just, we're just, we're just the messenger. You got to say long, the long-legged MacDatney. You don't have to say thank you to me. You can tithe. You can tithe the church. So I have a question, because you're obviously, you know, you talk about politics and you have a lot of opinions.

If you were president of the United States, what would you do? Like if you were tomorrow, 2028, Pastor Manning, 48th president of the United States, have you thought about this? No, I have a... You've never thought about this. No, no, no, no, no, no,

I'll ask me questions I've never been... Oh, no, this is going... This will be on YouTube. No one's ever asked me that. Okay, but what I think I would do... Yeah. It's what I just said. I think the problem of America is a racial problem.

I mean, if you look at the politics of America, the left and the right or the... the right wingers and the conservatives or the, you know, the liberals and the Democrats, ultimately it goes back to there's a racial problem in America. I think the biggest tax burden

is a racial problem in America. Obama, the MacDady, he is, allegedly was able to get health care for black people, for poor people that, and other people

that needed it as well. There's no doubt, no doubt about that. If I were president, the very first thing I do, I call for a national prayer for all black people to come and say, thank God for this nation. Thank God for America. It's a great nation. You don't want to live anyplace else. I mean, we moved from Canada. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, that's what I would do. And I would not relent until that was, and, you know, I believe that that message would say. too. Yeah. With a megaphone and a bully pulpit like the White House. Yeah. If you could only get rid of one, would you think is worse rap music or teaching kids about gender in schools? Teaching kids about gender in school.

Okay. That's an easy one? Yeah. Rap music is certainly close to it though. I mean, I think it's a sin before God and it's destroyed something. You know, there's never been an industry of music. music, I understand they're just releasing the Beatles album now from 50s. You a Beatles guy?

A new, yeah, I'm gonna be a, yeah, I like the Beatles, you know. They released it, John Lennon has a new song and they're from 53 years ago songs that were not releasing outtakes and all that other kind of stuff. But the problem is this, there has never been an industry in the music where people kill each other, you know, back in the 80s. Not all of it though, like Jurassic Five's not that. Yeah, but I did nothing like rap music. and the number of young black men that died that you don't know well the current iteration of it's

arguably the worst with like the drill rap and yeah yeah yeah they're all yeah i mean it was like little richard and liberati fighting one another you know but the ultimate sissy fight but the teaching gender uh i think is a slap in the face of god i think that uh they They've taken too much to themselves to think that they know better than God about whose gender should be what. And so I think they're going to pay a heavy price for that. What do you think about body modification in general? Like, for example, a woman getting tit in largements, like, stuff like that. Like, do you see that as a slap in the face from God?

The girl gets, like, the eyelashes in the lips and the, you know, fake butt. Is that okay? Like, religious-wise, is there a lot of? a problem with that stuff? Well, you know, I think men like to look at big asses in the big kids. So you go, God wouldn't have a problem with getting a couple sizes up. I'm not going to say that God would have a problem. I think I've talked about it, that it's, you know, that women do it.

I've said that, but I don't know if, I mean, I'm trying to be real here. men like to look at women's asses. Sure. They like men like big tits. You know, well, and I'm not trying to be vulgar or anything. Please try to understand me. And I'm going to break down into some sort of a lewd, this conversation here. I'm just telling you like it is.

And that's why women do it, you know. Years ago when I first started doing broadcasting on visuals and I did some television, I would wear makeup. I'd put makeup on. But at some point I came to my senses, and I said, hell, no, I ain't wear no damn makeup. And I said, well, it stops your face from shining. He looked better on television or camera if you have makeup.

I said, I'm just going to be who I am. I'm going to look like what I look like. Women can not do the, if you will, prosthetic, if you will, big asses or big tits or whatever. I do have a problem with that long, that braid hair, the horse hair that they wear, it's sickening to watch that kind of stuff. You know, I think about this, and please don't judge me as being

lewd here. No judgment zone here. But, you know, if a woman got all this, y'all see these braids they wear all down here. You see that, right? Yeah, I think so. How do you have sex with a woman? You know, she got all that hair.

It's like a handle. Yeah, I mean, what do you do? Come on, baby. I mean, your hands in the way. Unless that's enough of that. We're straying from the Lord right now. I have a question. actually. So, this is kind of your neck of the woods. What are your thoughts on? Because it seems like

there's a proliferation in the, and this is spoken as someone who's an original Jewish person of the Black Hebrew Israelites. Are you familiar with them? I know who they are. They have the fancy uniforms. I think they have clowns. I disagree with them. Well, maybe I was trying to be diplomatic. No, they're clowns. They're absolute clowns. They're thieves. They're They are demented. They're hustlers. And I'm going to have a debate with them pretty soon. Oh, I will watch that. Yeah.

They have come up with the idea that Jews stole their identity. I've heard. There's nothing more absurd than that, that they were black Jews and the Askenazi Jews, stole their identity. Damn. I mean, how do you how do you do that and get away with it for so long?

Well, that's probably what they're so angry about. No, just discovered that two decades ago. Right, because it's a recent discovery. Yeah. It's something about a con game. Yeah, that's just a grift. Yeah, it's racism at its core. And I'll let you know about the debate

that I'm going to have with them. I'll tell you some other things I'm going to say when I do debate them. Okay. I'm going to watch it. Do you believe in the more conspiratorial stuff where, or maybe not conspiratorial is the right word, but like where Hollywood wants to put every black guy in a dress and stuff like that? I think so.

I think that Hollywood is a freak, they're freaks, all of them. They're over-sexed, many of them. And I think behind the curtain is nothing but sex in Hollywood. I think that industry is perhaps one of the most perverted industries you're going to find anywhere at any time. And the fact that they want to put men in dresses or in drag is just one more of their fetishes and their insatiable desire to find to do sex different ways. I mean, they know they know there's a man, they know he's got man's junk. they just like to raise a dress up before they pop him. You know, it's so, it's, it's, it's madness if you ask to me.

Yeah, and now, you know, obviously my people are kind of behind Hollywood. Jewish people. Jewish people, correct? Yeah, y'all are. You're Larry David. Go ahead. Yeah, so, I mean, is there some sort of having to reconcile that where you're like, why are the Jews putting the black people men in dresses?

Well, you know, Israel, I've heard, is probably the most pro-homosexual. It is, yeah. Yeah, we talked about this. I think I said Canada, but I stand corrected. Yeah, and Jewish people have been able to, mainly because their ability to understand humanity, not only are their ability to amass money and do business, but their ability to understand humanity.

I think Jewish people, in terms of doctors and lawyers, but producers of movies have a keen sense as Michael Jordan or Steph Curry can shoot a three-pointer. I think Jews can shoot a three-poena when it comes to pulling out the humanities of various... Interesting. They can steal a three-poena. Kind of stealing.

They can take a three-poena. Lead the league in steals. Yeah. And I think that's just the talent. I wouldn't consider it evil. And as a result of, they have, Jews can't take over the basketball. I can't say that right now. No, I don't know.

They're going to get running. There's a few now, though. Yeah, I know, but this and that. No stars. That was actually the big controversy this week was, Mondammy had like 20 lawyers and he had zero Jewish lawyers. Yeah, he has like some new commission and he picked 20 lawyers. That's not a law squad you want.

And apparently 45% of the lawyers in New York City are Jewish. I think I saw, I read that. 45% and he somehow, his team of 20, there's not one of you. I just saw that this morning. It's a judicial system that he is up of picking judges and everybody. And no Jews. No Jews. Seems like a choice.

Well, you know, I think when it's 45% of all lawyers in New York are Jewish, a large portion of judges in New York are Jewish as well. Jews dominate the legal industry and medical industry as well. But Mondami is giving everybody his answer. Masterkis by saying, I know that I don't have any Jews on this system, on this judicial committee. Sue me and make me put them there. But who's more litigious than Jews? You're right.

But he's going to get sued. The thing that I think that Jews need to be aware of and everybody else is that he's not afraid to challenge that part of humanity, the Jewish legal system. he's not afraid. He obviously feels that I can do to the Jews what I'm not marching in that damn parade. I'm not putting them in key positions.

And I know most of my landlords and I own most buildings, and I'm going to take away their income by giving their income back to their tenants. I'm going to stop their abilities to in Europe. And he knows what he's doing, by the way. with attacking Jews. He knows where to attack y'all too, by the way, in the pocketbook.

What do you say to a guy who comes to the church? And he was just like, listen, I'm thinking about settling down, but I'm, like, having way more fun. I'm out on the scene. I'm, like, 35 years old. I got, like, five girls on the roster. But, like, you know, I'm getting older. Like, should I settle down and get a wife?

But it seems boring. It seems crappy. What would you say to that guy? I tell him to get married. And what's the pitch? I would point to him that the Bible says when a man finds a wife, he finds a good thing. And first of all, he's abusing four other women by having sex with them and promising them no future of marriage. It's all women want to walk down the aisle.

So Michael Jackson don't go around breaking young girls' hearts. Right. So he's very wrong about that. And you're not going to convince him to quit because he's wrong. He already knows that. What you need, what I would try to do to convince him, you find a wife, you can find a good thing. And it's true. If you can find a wife, I'm not talking about a woman to marry.

I'm not talking about somebody to have sex with. But if you can find a wife, you find a good thing. Let's say for two of y'all are partners, right? Y'all do this thing together. Nah. Yeah. You're not, pause. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

But you all work together, right? Yeah. And you help each other in terms of your working together. Imagine that on the level much higher, the husband and wife. Y'all are just. I'm married. Okay.

I am married. Anyway. Two of women. Two of women. So if it's a good thing for the two of you to work together, imagine what it's like to have a great wife to work with her. She has all the information too, right? Like I always say that if you had an assistant, for example, or people that you hire,

like the wife is the only person that has all of the information of like the people in your life, all the things when you're going with that. They're the only person that has all your information. The ultimate assistant. She knows how to pray for you and she knows how to steer you and help you when oftentimes you've lost your own way. she can see it in you and she can steer you she can help you and can look out for your health and your well-being when perhaps you're drinking too much my wife is constantly nagging me to go get a physical

and you should i agree i should and i probably wouldn't look at you yeah i probably wouldn't if it wasn't for the nagging to be honest yeah so i would convince him and then okay so on the other side then you say you have like a lot of young guys they'll be just like well it's like all these chicks or You know, with all the rich guys now and, you know, every girl's on only fans and it's hard to find a wife. What do you say to that guy? Keep looking that she's there. She doesn't like that lifestyle of being a, if you will, a whore. She doesn't like that lifestyle of being a fagg.

She doesn't like that either. Keep looking. You'll find her. She's out there. Yeah, she is. True love is out there. No, she is. Yeah.

Absolutely. I think that's the one constant that cannot be mitigated or taken away no matter what race or color or creed you are. The dynamics between a man and a woman remains, except for what people are trying to do with homosexuality. But in the essence of it, it remains the same. Yeah. They just announced that, not announced, but I saw a stat recently. They said there's more people smoking weed than alcohol for the first time ever. What do you think is worse?

I heard that too. When I smoked weed, they had a lot of seeds in it, I burned a lot of holes in my pants because the seed would pop. It hit my pants and burned a hole in my pants. I think that smoking weed is probably less harmful than alcohol, except for the smoke in your lungs.

Alcohol has a tendency to go through your entire blood system a negative way. So, I mean, if I had a choice, I think I'd do weed. Yeah, but there's alcohols like in the Bible, right? Like, they obviously drink wine. Yeah, you're able to do that. Weed know? Maybe Moses didn't know about weed.

Well, the burning bush might have just been burning bush just might have been like an acid drink or something. Can I quote that? Can I? Yeah, you're going to have all of this. Do you write down when you're, for your sermon, like, do you have stuff where you hear a quote and you're just like, okay, that's going in? Like, is that, or do you sit down? It's just all off the dome?

Are you up the dome? I swear before Almighty God. I have never said what I've said to the two of you to anybody, you know, such as can I use that? Sure. Before Almighty God. I just, I've never said that to it. But when you're doing a sermon, how much do you plan it? Like, is it based off of like a verse and then you're just kind of winging it from there?

Or are you writing it out? It's a combination of things. First of all, it's an inspiration. would have an inspiration towards something. It's almost as if I was writing a song or if I was writing a poem, there would be an inspiration

that would be natural that I would feel akin to and I'm going to preach it because I believe it. Sure. It's come up in me or I would sing it or write it as a song. So if you can understand what musicians do,

songwriters do when they produce a song. Sermons are pretty much the same if they're genuine sermons. However, their appeal could be different. The audiences could be different. And the meaning of them could be different as well. I have a long-running appeal to help black folk. But did you write down Auschwitz-L- Sharpton? Was that just office?

Were you like, that's good, or was that just off- off the top. That's just off the top of that. Yeah, it just happens. So you have like kind of the idea and an outline, but you're freeballing. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm off the script for the most part.

A lot of ladies like the pastors, right? That is, I feel like a lot of the pastors get into trouble because they start having all the harem of the... Well, you're the alpha of the congregation, that seems... Yeah, it's... Women tend to gravitate, if you will, to men of... who have power and they want to

experience that. Yeah, a lot of them get like Bieber's guy got in trouble. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. What denomination is your church? Well, I was ordained Baptist. But I don't claim any particular denomination at present, but I was Baptist

so it's just anybody who's just into Christianity essentially is welcome to Joel? Yeah, any religion. I mean, you can come if you're Buddhist, quite frankly. I'm going I'm going to teach what I teach I do a lot of Old Testament teaching I feel like I feel like you're trying to get me to come

Who? I say I feel like you're trying to get me to come I'm putting out a signal to you. I'm putting a hook out of you. Me and Ryan will be there. But no, I even get homosexuals showing up at our church, you know. You're able to switch them? Have you converted anyone?

Some of them I have. Others I have not. But my basic thing is not to convert them. My basic principle is to let them know I don't hate you because you're homosexual. I don't hate you. And the lies that they tell in the media or anyplace else that I do is a lie. And if you come, you'll see. And the church doesn't.

The church is you're homosexual. Okay, all right. Has there ever been someone who was homosexual and then they came to the church? They're like, I'm not anymore. But in your back of your mind, you're like, I still. kind of think you are. No, that's, that happened quite often. In the back of their minds.

Like you're like, I don't. I would think that most people were once homosexuals. Never forget that experience that part of their lives. Whether they continue to practice it or no. Like, are you, as long as you're not practicing, is that kind of where it's acceptable? Yeah, yeah, at that level. Yeah, I think that's the dividing line, yeah. Has there anybody ever been anyone where they kind of see you, like a clip goes viral of you talking about Trump and everyone, and people, let's say your average like Brooklyn person is like, this guy's spitting, man.

Cool black guy hates Trump. And then they get, you know, they're a little deeper and they're just like, what? Yeah, that happens. It's got to be a crossover, right? Sure, yeah. That happens quite often. And it's to be expected. But I am who I am.

You're a free thinker, certainly. Hard to put in a box. Yeah. Yeah, I, you know, I've lived long enough to recognize that life is very short. The long you live, the shorter it gets. And, you know, life is too short to drink cheap wine. And so life is too short to live a cheap life. I think that if people don't like who I am, what I am,

I am not going to dislike me because you dislike you. I'm just not going to do it. Yeah. People just see the clips too. Like even comedians have that too where you see the clips and then you meet someone at real life and you're like, oh, this person's charming and you kind of like you can feel that they're not like a hateful and blah blah blah. Yeah.

Yeah, I suppose. I suppose, yeah. You must have had that the other way where you maybe thought something about someone and then you actually meet them and you're like this guy seems like a pretty nice guy. Not often. you're saying do you have a final statement? No, I don't know anything else.

I agree with your final statement, though. You do feel, I've been thinking that lately where you do realize you go, and a decade can go by like pretty quick. Oh, yeah. You know? Yeah. Yeah.

And the, I think many of us, if not all of us, are so uniquely formed and so uniquely talented. But we get waylaid by and misdirected and for many, many years we miss the essence of who we are

and it doesn't until later we realized we've wasted 20, 30 years going in a direction that isn't really who and what we are. All that time we could have been doing this thing so meaningful to us and we don't discover it until much later on.

I would say to all young people all the time. Find out now and then do it. I'm a dancer. You may not believe that. Got to dance. Huh? Break dance? No. No.

You know what I said earlier about the sex, just walking down the street of 125th Street, the sex and the rhythm of the people because my body automatically responds to music. I could be a contortionist because when it comes to... He can put his leg back.

But I didn't do it when I was young, and I'm glad I didn't, which I'm flipping the coin. I'm glad I didn't follow that. Why? Because I would not be... Who you are, you'd be a dancer. Right, I'd be a dancer, and I'd probably be dead. something of that nature. I prefer this, but that's a talent that I had that could have been going

a different direction. Yeah, so the, yeah, kind of to wrap up here, but how do you, if you are someone that's going on the wrong direction, how do you know and what are you supposed to do about it? Somebody's going to tell you. Someone is going to tell you whether it's a teacher or whether there is a person you will interact with. Someone is going to tell you that's why you should never dismiss anybody no matter what their statue, their color, or who they are, don't dismiss them because they may have a word that you might need to hear. And they may not necessarily be talking to you. They could be just expressing.

And in that expressing, you discover that truth connects with you. So always respect every human being, even though there are bums in the street. they're sleeping on the street, they have a word, and they can tell you something that you don't know. I don't care who you are. And that's where you'll find it, I think, for the most part. You know, as I said before, I got out my car trying to help junkies. And at one point I said I didn't know why I did that.

But I know why. I know why, because that could have been me. But listen to people. You have a great opportunity at a talk show. You're going to talk to a whole lot of people. Listen to them when they talk. And the two of you do something I think is unique. You make people feel comfortable.

Because when people feel comfortable, they'll open up. If they feel a little edgy, a little nervous, they won't completely open up. But what y'all do, at least what you did with me, you allow me to open up. to just pour out. And I think that you, that way you also discover things if I didn't get off track or what you. Yeah, no, cool. Absolutely. So.

That's a great final word. Yeah, there's a great final word. Where do you, uh, people find you? Uh, they can find me at outlaw.org. A-T-L-A-H. A-T-L-A-H-Otlaw.org on the website. And, uh, there I am. Yeah.

Thank you for coming on. This is fantastic. You see Danny at the church. I'll see you there on Sunday. All right. Thank you. I don't worship on Sunday. We have Saturday worship.

Oh, it's a Jewish thing. Yeah, we do the Sabbath. Oh, you know what? My wife put our, this is unrelated. My wife put our stove in Sabbath mode accidentally, and I thought it was broken. Do you know what the Jews got them to change every stove so you put it in Sabbath mode? My wife's like I broke the stove. I'm like, I don't know what the hell's going on here.

And then I'm like, you put it in Sabbath mode for some reason. No, we do the Sabbath. Saturday. Okay. This has been the boys' cast. Thank you.