The Breakfast Club - A Very Serious Interview With Donnell Rawlings

Episode Date: September 3, 2025

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Every day I wake up. Wake your ass up. The breakfast club. You're all finished or y'all is done. Morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy. Just hilarious. Salomey and the guy.

We are the breakfast club. We've got a special guest in the building. One of the most slept-on comedians of our generation. Donnell Rollins, ladies gentlemen. Donnell, come on. Ronald was awesome. One of the most slept-on comedians of our generation, Donnell Rollins, man. I agree. Donnell.

What's up, Donnell? How are you feeling, man? I'm playing in the air. How you feeling? I'm feeling good. I feel like I just got this product and it works wonders. It's supposed to remove negative energy. Oh, there's no negative energy here, man. It's a positive energy here.

It's a polisanto spray and it works wonders for people to have negative. Well, how are you feeling, man? I've seen you on the river. I've seen you really enjoying life, man. I can treat that, man. It's horrible. Really? Yeah. And it's got even worse since you recommended a therapist for me to go see.

Oh, yeah, you started going to therapy. Yep, and he gave me horrible advice. What was the advice? It was a situation with me dealing with, like, baby mama drama. Okay. And I say sometimes I get to a point where I'm just frustrated. I don't know what to do. And then he said, what would you do?

What would you do if you were doing a comedy show, right? And the audience wasn't engaged, what would you do? I said, well, I've had that situation where I had to, fall back, regroup, speak a little slower. You know what I'm saying? And it started all over. And he said, why don't you do that in your relationship? And I try that and it still didn't work.

So thank you for giving me the worst therapist in the world. That's not a bad therapist. No, I'm not saying it was bad. What happened when you tried it? What happened when you tried it? Why didn't work? It just didn't work. I think we, I don't know. It just didn't work.

I saw you post your son's birthday, though, and it seemed like y'all are. But that's the son. That's not the mother of his child. Yeah, but you posted with her. So I figured all the co-parent and stuff was going well. it is going well it's a tough thing i tell you for anybody that's doing co-parent it's tough especially when you you still may have some emotions involved whatever but i will say this i dated this oh you still have emotions no um no come on it's okay open all right can we can we have rules

can we have rules of engagement what do what do you mean like you're gonna have to raise your hand you're gonna have to do something different all right the way you communicate i don't really like it and i was trying to explain i dated this girl some years ago right and she got separated she was separate, her parents divorced when she was young, right? And I also, I used to always see... You said raise his hand when you have a question.

Do you still have emotions for the mother of your child? You have to let me finish my sentence. Is this about the mother of your child or this is another one? It's about what I wanted to be about. Okay, okay. Yes, I'm just asking. Guys, we all hairs together, guys. So I used to see,

when I used to date, her parents were still together. They would do Thanksgiving. They would do dinners and do all this type of stuff. And I used to say they must be smashing no way that they're that connected to each other. But as I got older or had this situation in my life, I was like, nah, they was just trying to give or create the best family situation as a co-parent they could do. So that's what I do.

I imply in my life. And we do a good job. But you were smashing she let you? No. So you don't have emotions is what his question was. No, I don't. I mean, I don't think she still likes me. No, I don't think she still likes me.

So what? What? What? Because you said this emotion is still involved. You said that's what you said. You said it can be hard when emotions are still involved. Thank you. Thank you for the clarity, Jess.

Well, no, you still have emotion. So you still have emotion. Nobody has emotion. We are raising a beautiful young man. And I mean, this is one thing I say about my co-parenting situation. A lot of times when mom and dad are not together like that, it's separate. It's like my mother and my father.

You know what I'm saying? But my son, whenever he talks, he speaks on us as a family. As parents. As parents. It's not like I'm going to my mother house or my father house. So we've done a good job with that. And Austin is a beautiful kid. Do you regret anything?

Did you regret anything? What? Do you regret anything in that situation? Of a relationship? Yeah, because you said before that you were the one that messed it up, correct? I didn't say I was the one to mess it up. I can see that, though. We can see you being the one to mess it up.

What were you saying? So when you go on stage, do you talk about, you know, your past relationship or your co-parenting relationship with your son's mother on stage? Oh, yeah. Has she ever heard about that? Oh, yeah. Does she like it? Is that?

No. I'm gonna tell you she knows me my life is gonna go on stage right she understands that but sometimes with people get in your head you know what I'm saying like what she thought was a funny jokes

one of her girlfriend comes I don't believe he did that and he gaslighting all that stuff we had that situation but you know I mean you dated a comedian that's what it's gonna be my life is gonna be on stage

but I'm always I never would do or say anything to put her in the bad light or anything because at the end of the day she gave me the biggest gift of my life so I'm forever grateful for that and I even said you know there's a certain

it's a certain amount for someone to have your kids it's a certain amount of love I think you're going to always have yeah is that does that mean getting back together or rekindling anything it doesn't but it's a certain amount of love and respect I always have the next question did you ever ask it like how it affects her when you go on stage and talk about it because that could bring trauma did you ever like I don't get to the bottom of no I don't I can't man if I go you said you care so if I care but I don't care because that that didn't come out of therapy

that was that was disgusting that was disgusting You call on me. Yeah, go ahead. Do you think that calling yourself saying... And my brother said the gays don't really like you the way you think they do. When you said that you know... That's what he said. When you said...

He said, get over yourself. When you said dating a narcissist, speaking of not being able to get over yourself. When you talk about dating a narcissist, do you think that's triggering for the mother of your child? I didn't say date. You don't know who the narcissist is. You, clearly. How do you know that's me? Because of what you just said.

Because she didn't sign up for that part of it. All right. All right, what we're going to do is we're going to have to slow down. All right? There's just too much going on right now. you can't track all right we want to slow down so so either way it's triggering because whether or not she had to date you who's the narcissist or you're calling her a narcissist that is gaslighting it's up to this up to the interpretation of who think i don't know who the

fucking narcissus is i don't know what the fucking narcissist really is right all i know every time i use it it come up in my algorithms the minute we argue about something it's always and the narcissist woman would do this i don't know what the fucking narcissist is yeah i just think it's it's a word that you use to sell books and make my money on the side. I feel bad for her because, you know, she didn't sign up for that part of it. I'm just saying. She just sits there and tries to raise her child.

And you just talk about her on hand. You are the narcissists. Can that my hand right? Yes. Now, Donnell, you've always been raw and unfiltered. Has being too real ever cost you opportunities in this industry and in your personal life? Oh, great question. Has been, no, because I am who I am.

I don't act like I'm anybody else. And then with me is what you, what you said with you don't like the version of you. I don't really care about what people like. If I'm presenting myself the best way I can't, and I'm putting it out there like I want to, I can't care about people like, I can't let people control what I'm doing on stage or off stage. Yes. Do you think, you know, why are you so quiet? I'm just, you know, I'm just in here observing. Yes.

You know, I'm just in here observing. I just, you know, it's been a while observing. Observing. What do you see? What do you see? What is observing? From your perspective. Is it a V or a V?

Observing. From your perspective, what you see. I think he's having a hard time tracking because, you know, as he gets up there, too many people at one time. What does get up there mean? Up on the chair where you sat down at. Oh, okay. What? Question.

Do you think that, you know, you lost your edge now that you change, you play pickleball. I never lost my edge. You do white things more than. Pickle ball gives you do white shit. Nigger you was riding bikes for bikers shorts on, sir. You did that for six months. You had a fair point. With the shoes that go into the thing, you were doing that shit, son.

You know the shoes that you put inside the pedal The bike shoes. The bike shoes. I lost my edge a little bit. That's my asking you. You did that shit for three weeks and you put that shit in the garage. You got your photo. You probably got a sponsorship for that.

And then he was like, okay, on to the next. That's what you did, sir. But I don't lose no edge. I don't lose no edge. No, I didn't. I saw you did the Chris Brown challenge the... My friend, Javanta Roberts right there. That's my TikTok.

That's my TikTok. That's my TikTok. I did it. You killed it. No, you think you did better than I thought you, man. You killed it. No, Ed. I, uh, I was horrible.

No, you were horrible. I wasn't that bad. I wasn't bad, but I mean, I thought it was fun. It was fun. And it was like, it's a lot to, I mean, the only, I did that part, right? Yeah, yeah. I did this part right here. Yep.

You did that. You did. And I did, I did that. The only part I had was I had that, I did that. I did that. I did that. And then I did that. And then I did that.

And then I did that. And then I did that. Like your brother, son. And that was it And then I came back I did the robot after that I had to mix it up We were thinking about you earlier

thinking about something that Sholome and I were talking about that since we got to this age It's very enjoyable Have you ever thought about getting a bidet? No Why? I just don't know

That's not my thing That's the gateway. The gateway to what? A clean dude? A clean booty? That's a gateway to your lifestyle. A clean booty. You wouldn't be who you are right now

if you didn't, your first boo-day. First of all, there's nothing wrong with a buddye. I'm not here for all of this shit. Have you ever been gay? Have you ever been gay for a bidet? Oh, you have gifts. No, I'm sorry. This is unfortunate.

It's not a thing, it's not a, just right here. It's because I've had, and there's nothing, no slight on the ladies in here, but I've had a history with these guys for so many years and I you came up here with gifts for them too we didn't earn our gifts yet can ask you a question for I open this box I raised my can ask you a question see what can't even see you what ask you a question as a black comedian how do you balance being funny with being a cultural truth tell how do what how do you

balance being funny with being a cultural truth teller as a black comedian how do you balance I don't understand that question. What do you mean? How do you balance being funny and also being a cultural truth teller? I'm a truth teller that happens to inject humor with that. So I'm always going to tell the truth. And if that truth happens to be funny, that's what it is. I don't really go out looking for a joke.

I just try to recreate life and situations that I come in contact with and I put it on the stage. So people always say, Danielle, that joke that you told, was that the truth? I don't lie on stage. Anything I say is really what happened in my life. So that's that, if that answers your question. Now, check out your, what is this? What is this? It's a gift. I was thinking about it.

Open the gifts, please. So we can see what y'all got. I have a question. Do you feel like you're a sensitive comedian? I'm jealous. 1,000%. Why is that? Because usually comedians are, you should be able to take a joke and give a joke.

But sometimes I feel like you can, oh, wow. Oh, wow. Oh, oh, oh, my God. Get a close up. Get a close up. That is so cute. You know. Get a close up.

You know, look. Get a close up. You got me a pair of gay force ones. No, no, no, look, it's our, my greatest moments of fucking with y'all. This is fun. Those are lit, Donnell. That is so cute. They're actually fired.

Now I understand why me and Jess don't have them. These are dope. You should have the pink shoelaces, though. I do apologize. I feel bad about it. They are fired. Yeah, my guy, Akeo Evans out of Baltimore, a artist out of Baltimore. He did that.

This is a very thoughtful. Yeah, it was supposed to be thoughtful. It's not. I just wanted to. I am so appreciate it. I wanted you all to see the memories. Today is my birthday and I'm gonna wear them this weekend. These aren't even the same pictures on both of them.

Nah, that's crazy. This is amazing, Donna. This is very thoughtful. Did I say Diddy? Thank you were thinking of me. I thought I saw Diddy on the outside of it. Let me see. No, the other shoe.

Yeah, Diddy would be on his because he sat between Diddy's legs. I didn't sit between Diddy legs. I slipped in a puddle. Oh, I said, booty king. I slipped in a puddle of what? Of oil. All right. And where did you make?

No, I was, I'm not going to, I'm not going to revisit that. That's all of my life. I'm not going to lie. When you read the juice skit? I thought that was hilarious. That one was spot on. Yeah, I'm going to always be insulting to you guys. I loved it, actually.

Donnell, how frustrating is it, right? When people are not taking you serious because you're a comedian? It's interesting because I really, for what we do, I don't really want. people to take me serious. I want them to find me to be funny. You know what I'm saying? People take you two. That's not true. That's not your question. That's not your question. Raise your hands. No, that's not true. You like to be taking serious. Yeah. That you actually get very frustrated when people don't take you as serious as they should. What makes you think I get fresh raised? Because you told me that verbatim. You remember when you told me that?

Remember when you yelled at me over the phone? And I didn't realize that you were playing. I thought we were playing. And then you was like, no, you don't ever take me serious. And I That's a horrible impression of me. I would like to get a real interview. I know. You said I would like to get a real interview for once? Like every other comedian that comes up here. No, I remember that?

No, it's a gift and a curse if you want to say. Yeah. You know, because it's times you want people to understand it just serious. But at the end of the day, as a comedian, I don't want people to take me that serious. I want people to, you know, think I'm funny and laugh at the jokes.

Yeah, but in times when you are really serious, you know, like when you were talking about your dad, you know, and how he passed and everything. You're trying to, you're trying to trigger or something I'm not I just want I just said the timing okay sometimes and there's times that I have moments hmm and I was having a moment that went viral and you laughed and you laughed and I thought that was very insensitive yeah what did we laugh at when I he was saying when he had grew up

and he remember who's laughing now we're not laughing out we're not laughing out I said, I said, I remember when I had, I was trying to explain a part of my life. And I think that it was very insensitive. That's only because we laughed before you got to the part about your uncle. What about, it was, it was about my dad. It was his dad, not his uncle. He died. It's dad.

No, it was, that was the part about that. No, I thought he laughed about your dad passing away another time. What? But the other part, when you were talking about being growing up. I said when I grew up, I was trying to go back to a story of my childhood. Oh, I thought that was related to the relationship that I had with my son. And then when I was doing that, that's when y'all left. But I, you know, I've gotten past that.

Your brother spent a lot of time with your uncle more than you? Who's your uncle? Is that? First of all, my brother. who happened to be a part of the letter community said that the gays don't like what is trade trade charlemagne yeah trade he comes off as like not but but he said but he said he said you are not trade well yeah so that means you plan boy he said you're not he said you're not trade and um nobody's checking for you trade was like a nice kiss of trade is a masculine potentially straight

identifying man who engages in same-sex activity for various benefits like money or companionship so what i've been told is that i'm not trade i'm actually a butch queen oh wow so ask your brother that call he sounds very tradie hello so i have uh shalderman here he had a question for you chuck okay good morning what about so you don't consider me trade no no no no no no no What about a butch queen? Yeah, absolutely. Oh, his brother said absolutely. But what is a, what is a, what is a, what is a, what is a, what is a queen?

What the kids will call Shauna Man? The Y-N's. Huh? The Y-Ns will call them. No, not the Y-A-N's. The older ones. I don't know what the, and Donnell would be a bear, right? And what is my?

What is that? a bear that's envy every said what is he I don't really know what they put the life scare people oh it's a whole different it's a whole different category because of your complexion well I guess what you say what are the rules to this what are the rules I'm giving them to you okay I'm here to listen what else you want you to just ask What would Sotomay would not be trained Butch Queen, absolutely Is Charlemagne the top of bottom?

I'm a power top, clearly. Um, more versatile. That would be me. I can see that. I can see me being versed. Flexible. Could you leave your brother alone now? Last thing, last thing.

His brother, I mean, tell your brother that he loves doing tricks on the bidet. What is that? is that? Oh, Charterman loves doing tricks on a boudet. What is that? Being prepared, being well prepared. Okay. That's right. All right.

I told him that was, I told him that was the gateway, the gateway, but the gateway, the gateway, but thank you for giving me a little bit more acknowledge on who this motherfucker really is. Thank you, Chuck. Anytime. If I take it eat. All right. Take it easy, Charlotte, man. I tried to be nice to you. This is what I want to say.

No, why don't you just shut the fuck up? Hurry in. How about that? Have you ever tried that? Can I ask a question? No. I got my hair ready. Can you have your hand shut the fuck up?

Can I have my head? I got my hand raised. No, shut the fuck up. I'm going to ask you a question about your son. Oh. That is not a good transition. That is not a good transition. That is not a good transition.

All right, what? If your son watches your career years from now, what's the lesson you want him to take away? his dad tried everything to make to make people feel good about themselves it's so funny because my son he knows what I do this is so interesting one day it was over the summer we were talking

and I don't think he knows like some of the things I did movies and stuff like that so I said you know dad is somewhat of accomplished actor whatever he was like yeah so I just started showing him different things that I've done what's the first thing you showed him accomplished actor in movies I showed him a scene with me on HBO's

DeWire It was the same when my character just got introduced. It was me in the back room with Lieutenant Daniels. And I'm in there talking trash, like, yo, I would steal this. I would steal this. And I said, my name is Damien Price, but I mostly go by Day Day. And then on the other end, he says, my name is Daniels. I mostly go by Lieutenant, right?

So now that I find out that it's a cop in there, right? So I asked my son, I said, what do you see in that scene? He said, I see somebody that's about to get in trouble. Me, right? He said, Daddy, did you get arrested in that scene? I said, yeah. So I'm just thinking as an actor. I said, I want to show him the other scene.

He said, I don't want to see that, Daddy. You know, I'm an actor. I said, it's not real. It's make believe. He said, yeah, but I don't want to see my father getting locked up. And I, you know, I never thought that he's separated. He's like, he knows I'm an actor or whatever, but he's in no situation. He wanted to see me get locked up.

And it made me think about my father. Like, I used to actually go visit my father, you know, and I, where was he in? Where, Louisville. In prison. Yeah, in prison. Yeah. And I remember, this is what you did to me. You see that?

I'm traumatized, nigga. As soon as I said, I remember. Even your people started laughing. Soon as I said, this is what this nigga did to me. Soon as I said, I remember, I felt something. Traumatized. Yeah. Push through it.

What you remember? Going to see your dad in jail. Yeah, and I just stick behind the glass and everything. I thought that was normal. And that's why I don't understand how some guys put themselves in a position where that would be how you fucking not raise your kids or be in that situation. That's why we got to start shaming people that's in the street. I don't judge people for what they did during survival,

but we do have to start clowning people when they're doing street stuff that can take them away from their family. Yeah. My father was a perfect example. My father was a heroin king spent in D.C. some years ago, right? And he's been, he was, he passed away. Sorry. Some time ago, right?

But, but close to the, in his life, come to find out, he was still in the streets. Right. He was still selling drugs. And he was selling drugs like he was in the 70s. The cold words, they was using, yo, I'm at the place. How many nuggets do you need? Like, 30, 100. I'm like, how to fuck you?

How old was he when he passed? Yeah. My dad was like, 72. 72 yeah but he was still in the streets that's what I understand but that's when somebody say somebody's a born hustler it's like what would make you jeopardize your freedom

relationship would you have your kids some people was just built for the streets and that was it was unfortunate but I'm like when do you stop that it wasn't a close relationship when he passed it was no we was as close as you I mean he most of my life he was in prison you know what I'm saying

so we didn't have I don't have anything bad to say about we just didn't have that type connection but you know I was a young boy growing up just like one relationship with his father didn't exist you have to get him out because you are accomplished you are doing well and say dad you ain't got to do this no more you can just raise stay with me raise your grandson you stay with me or push him out the streets or you was no my dad had too much pride to probably ask anybody for anything you know you know what's crazy i have my hand raised we see um you want to go to him down now what okay have you unpacked any of this in therapy because she's about to move on and not

not even care about any of you. No, no, no. It's in relation to what he's talking about with his dad. Have you unpacked any of this? No, I mean, I haven't unpacked it in therapy. I don't know if I need therapy for that. I just look at, I look at my father, and I use that as an example of what I don't want to do with my son.

That's why one of the things with my son, I always like make memories, make memories. So I've instilled that in him. And then I just remember when I do things with him, when I take my son on the river, when I do trips and everything, it just reminds me the things that didn't do with my dad. And it makes me want to be more. more aggressively in my son's like even though me and stephen are together like i'm like actively like i'm involved with my son's life anybody to follow me they know that or anybody know that know me know absolutely you want to hug right now i don't want to hug did you let your

son see your greatest role since you are an accomplished actor did you let him see your greatest role ever what you considered be my greatest role ever when you played uh the pizza he heights guy and spider man part too the pizza heights that wasn't my greatest role but it was fantastic it was good that line was amazing you killed that line for for for for for kids to be a part of that he enjoyed that can you show them the line because they probably didn't see it

so it's a what's the Spider-Man Nicker name Spider-Man he's broke Spider-Man Toby

Toby like he's working for this pizza company right and every day he's delivering these pizzas

he's late he's late and then they tell him they say yo if you if you late one more time you're going to get

fire for your job so he's driving down the street you know what I mean he's looking at clock he's going to be late so he gets off the bike he goes in the alley and then he come back as Spider-Man for the pizza box and he's like whoa he stole that guy's pizza ta-da-da I've always wanted it but you want to know what to provide oh let me tell you

something interesting story about that when I got that role for Spider-Man they do what you call um audition it's called reaction audition like they'll just give you a scenario they'll just be like this you're in the elevator spider man comes in there how are you going to respond you walking down the street how you're going respond they audition you and just see what your improv reaction is going to be so when i before i got that role it was that was some years ago i was supposed to do man on the street for BET awards right and at that time from my generation of commas it wasn't a lot of opportunities so being a part of bt anything was a big deal so i was excited that i was going to be this man on the street guy

the guy who was directing it he wanted me but the producers was still sketchy about it so you know we had talked and up until Friday that Friday we did a wardrobe I had some got a wardrobe fitting and all that and I was supposed to go

to work that Saturday morning for BT I get a call at night and they said the producers want to go in a different direction they was like the road that I thought I was going to have the man on the street it just disappeared and this was like I mean within 24 hours So I wasn't fucking with BET I was like they'd be on some bullshit

I was upset about that Then the next morning I get a call from my manager And he said we got a call from the Spider-Man team They want you to come to work Right And that was so crazy And the crazy thing about it

Was where the location Where I was supposed to do the BET situation It was literally right around the corner From the Spider-Man set So I had to walk past the BET set And niggas was looking to be like Did anybody tell him? Wow.

Like I walked past, and Sam Ramey, he came up to me. He said, Don Hill, you're my favorite actor in New York. Well, you're the only actor I know in New York. And what they do is, I didn't know what I was going to do. He's got a stick right here with an X on it. He said, he tells you the situation. He said, so Donil, this is Toby, right? He goes through the alley.

He does like just to see your eyeline. He said, and he comes out as Spider-Man. He said, what are you going to say? and I just said whoa he stole a guy's pizza and that was the improv line and the rest of the day that's all he kept saying for the rest of that so it just worked it's funny how one situation

got shut down and it opened up because nobody would have remembered me doing a man on the street stuff for BET but I go down in history being a part of that brand and I had one line but it was did you ever get any cheeks because of that one appearance in Spider-Man too I didn't get any

cheeks from it but I made my friend's kids very happy Like one of my friends It was a funny because you know Dad's always going to try to be proud My friend Brooklyn Mike Right at the time His daughter was young at the time

And he said you know My daughter said Can Daddy can you introduce me to Spider-Man Can Donnell introduce me to Spider-Man And of course he'd been a dad He said well you know I know Spider-Man too And his daughter looked at him and said

I know but Donnell worked with Spider-Man So anytime I got to flex for kids Or whatever like that But I never got no ass on that I don't believe any of these stories happen because there's one low line in Spider-Man too. I believe, I think you put in a lot of sauce on line.

He's Spider-Man adjacent. You got negative-in- how much he didn't want to pay you? Spider-Man? That was, um, I probably got about $2,000, $3,000. Oh, even with the royalties and all that? No, I mean, it constantly comes,

but after a while, you know, it's not like crazy amount, but you get paid a little something. You know, let's say it's a spree show, man. I'm just sad. Do you feel that the industry rewards the comedians who take risk or the ones who play it safe? I don't think it's the industry that is the connection with it's the audience. You know, it's the audience.

At the end of the day, all we're trying to do is build a fan. We could be in film and TV all we want. But for real, a comedian that's a real comedian. At the end of the day, your biggest concern, can I put my name on the marquee and can people come and check me out telling jokes? So I don't get caught up in what the industry does. I'm a part of the industry, but I make a living without it. If I don't ever get another film or TV gig for the rest of my life,

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open your free iHeart radio app search emergency intercom and listen now he's just holding back some type of negativity sir and the funny thing about is that let's get to the real let's get to the real deal let's get to the real deal let's get to the real deal this is not how you talk to me off off you call me for advice you do you do you not do we have conversations do we have conversations when you told me you said donna i want to invest in money you told me you never did that you said you want you said you wanted to open up a gay club in South Carolina. So I did ask you about the comedy club. No, you said the gay comedy club. You said

because the cox, you said the cox are strong down there. It's funny on funny. You said the cox is popping down there. In South Carolina. Yeah, whatever cox is copped. Club funny would be dope for a gay comedy club. But I don't know how

to say this, man. I'm sick of you, man. I'm really sick of you. Would you like a biscuit? I don't want If I didn't have to sell you a ticket I'm telling you It's Goldberry

What? No, I'm good I'm good on that You know No, that John has some skeet magic On the top You want that

No, I'm good You sure? I'm positive You looked at it Yes sir Now you've been in the game For a long time What keeps you motivated

To still hit the stage What motivates Donnell And what makes Donnell laugh at this time Pills motivate me to go to stage Yeah But it just I really

After 30 plus year I still enjoy what I do you know what I'm saying you got a couple of people to go to a show it's people that need to laugh and the people that want to laugh when I do a show and people come up to me and they're like you know what I was having a bad day I lost my on or something I didn't expect to go out everybody said come out and enjoy yourself

and when I talk to those people and then like you remove me from the things that I was dealing with you know for at least 45 minutes that's what kind of gives me motivated to do it and every year I try to evolve and get better I really really genuinely enjoy what I'm doing. Are you chasing legacy or chasing checks, Donna?

I'm not, I'm definitely always going to chase checks because that's what I do. But I don't know what my legacy will be. You never know. You think people connect, but you don't never know. People like this, where we live in there, people are going to talk shit about anything. As much as you try to do the right thing, it's always going to be some negative energy. And as long as we try to not focus on that, we've been different between. Because you're quick to respond to negative.

energy negative things said to you and it seems like you're the person that continues to do it which keeps the motion continuing on it's hard for me it's the hardest thing and it's easy for you say you just don't give a fuck it's hard not to give a fuck so it really is you do care and to assert I'm getting a little stronger with that but at some point you like you comments I shouldn't be in the comments but you read the comments and everything you're like oh this shit is popping this feels good and then it's that one person that could throw you off you know one person you're like how don't why don't you feel like everybody else feel but I realize social media is just a it's just a

playground for people to be negative and nasty you just realizing that today no not today no not today i just it's just it's a constant thing have you unpack this with your therapist about why these comments bother you like why everything got to be about unpacking man like what it may be triggering why the fuck is that the new word is a comedian huh is it like when you do therapists do you get like when you do therapists do you get words of the day like you have to use calm down down I'm not upset

yo please you want to hug yo you do you do no I don't want to hug you do know you do know what you're doing

right you do know what you're fucking breathe breathe breathe breathe breathe breathe breathe I'm sorry regular people that do this to you

or other comedians no comedians don't don't fuck with me oh yes they don't they don't they don't like him they don't like him he says they won't say it to me No, when? Tell me.

I don't want to bring up anything old. I don't want to rehash any old wounds. Good job, show them. Yeah, but what I'm saying is anybody can be boisterous online, but like face to face, it's a whole different story. And you give me an example of anybody that had an issue with me had brought it to my face. I want to do it.

I don't want to talk about anything. No, this is a good time for you to unpack. No, I will leave it there. I will leave it there. I will leave it there. I will leave it there. Well, who? No, I will leave it there.

You try to start some shit with Arnese-J. Huh? When you call me, you try to make it seem like I called to something like that. And I got nothing but respect for Arnest J. You try to start some shit? You start in beef with comedians now? No. You're starting it.

Unpack it. That's not what happened. Unpacked. What the hell is he talking about? You started something between him and Arles J? What's something you learned about yourself recently that surprised me? Nothing. I don't be learning shit about myself.

Nothing. That's the problem. Right. If you weren't a comedian, what would you be doing right now, Donnell? I would probably be a, I wanted to be a carpet. First, I wanted to be an architect, but I wasn't that nice and math. So I was like, that's not going to be a good thing. I would have probably been a carpenter.

You'd have been a good sous chef. No, you'd give carpenter. Yeah, I would have been, I would, definitely something, something, blue collar, for sure. You don't think you've been a sous chef? I would have been a chef. I wouldn't have been a sous chef. How the hell does somebody give carpenter, Lauren? They just sit.

They got stories. They got a toolbox. They walk around with it. They come in your house. How you doing, man? Blue collard niggas get the most ass out there. You want to know who fucks the hardest in the community? I'm going to tell you.

Football coaches are handyman. You need to personally? Handyman. Football coaches and handyman. Football coaches, especially in the inner city. because there's so many fatherless kids out here. Coach Johnson is fucking all of the mothers. Just because they spend time with kids.

Coach Johnson is amazing. Yeah, I mean, that's not a real name. But I just put it out there. Richard? Richard Johnson. Out there just fucking everyone's mothers. These fatherless children. When you look at the state of comedy today, right?

The climate of comedy, right? What pisses you off and what makes you proud? Great question, Jess. Nothing pisses me off I used to not understand certain things and I would just say that

for example like I've been doing it for a very long time people that haven't been doing as long as I have like yourself you came along you had different tools

to advance yourself you know it's like a lot of older comments well they're on social media whatever but those are tools that exist those are tools that they sharpen their tools

toolbox to do that but I do say with that with all the success like some young comics get like in the moment I would really appreciate if people took the art form of stand-up to be good at it and that just like okay I got just five minutes of fame whatever people come to see me but really give a fuck about being a dope stand-up so you think social media comedians are watering down the art form I don't think I don't I don't say watering down it's comedy is evolving The definition, I remember some years ago, I was talking to this girl, and she was like this, I'm a comedian. I said, let me see some of your stuff.

She said, I'm on YouTube, and she said, and she started showing me some skits. I said, that's not a comedian. She said, yes, it is. Because when I think of the idea of comedian, I think of stand-up, stand-up. But if you really look at the definition of comedian, it says one who entertains the audience through humor. So what used to be the definition of a comedian, it has changed, and it's evolved. Well, my had logic, Chappelle's show wasn't a comedian. Why wasn't what?

Chappelle's show wasn't a comedy by your logic That makes no sense kind of I don't understand what you're saying Because you said she showed you sketches And you said this isn't comedy No stand up no no no no Because when she said

comedian I was just thinking stand up comedian You know what I'm saying Not thinking to just somebody Can be a sketch comedian Yeah it could be a sketch comedian Yeah she didn't say that She just said she was a comedian

And his mind automatically reverted It went to like stand up But she's a comedic actor Whatever you want to How do those comedians You talk about Get their stripes then like what is that they do?

Because not everybody that is online does stand up. Where do you get their stripe? A lot of people, first off, they want to know how they can get some more money. You know what I'm saying? It's like this, okay, I got this fan base. You know what I'm saying? People follow me, they see me doing sketches,

but I want to turn into something else. So eventually it turns into you doing standard because how else are you going to get the other check if you don't go go perform? So it just turns into that. I have my hand up can I ask a question I don't know what it is

but I just don't trust you man I'm having a real conversation you can't trust it you need to really unpack that I'm just asking in this long career that you had you know you've done stand-up you've done skits you've done comedy you've done TV you've done morning radio

without all the things that you did what would you say is your biggest mistake that you've ever made that you think back and like that was wrong or I apologize I'll tell you what my biggest mistake was First time I ever came on the show. Why do you feel that way? Because look at what it's created.

It's a creative monster. I got to come up here. I got to look at you. I got to worry about unpacking shit with this nigga over here. And then wherever I go, people are like, well, you let you fuck would you like that? And I don't. That's probably the biggest mistake in my career was actually coming up here. So why you keep coming back?

I got to sell tickets. First of all, we don't fuck with you. Like, that is such a false narrative. So why would y'all let him come up here if y'all don't fuck on him? No, no, no, no. I mean, like, we don't fuck with him. Oh, I was going to say, that is so much. Nobody messes with Donnell.

Oh. You think we fuck with you, Donnell? You're what a love. I don't even, I used to like you. Wow. You didn't speak to me when you walked in today. I didn't notice. I wouldn't, I was, that's the thing.

When I come in here, I don't know what they expect. He's so triggered. Is you notice of him on a starter kit? Well. My beyond measure chains. Oh, that's nice. Thank you. He knows true fashion.

Look at his sweater. Another question. When you were in the Air Force, right, and you were stationed in South Korea. What did you mean by that? What did you? I like your sweater. It's nice.

I know what? What did you learn in South Korea that you still use in today's world? Don't trust nothing about this show. You got three buttons and they all buttoning and it's crisp. But that's wrong. What did you say? I said when you were stationed in South Korea in the military,

what did you learn there that you still use in today's business or in common? It was a phrase, and it's, I'm going to say it in Korean. Poji O-Mayo. What would that mean? How much for the pussy? Oh, Poji O Mayo. Poji O Mayo. So you bought vagina in Korea, South Korea.

No, I didn't buy it. Why would you know that? Because it was the phrase, Poji O' Mayo. You had to know that. Why did you have to know that if you weren't buying them? Okay, all right. I was 18 years old, and I was over there,

stationed in Korea. I was 18 years old. I was on a remote base. A remote base means that for every one female, she has 15 or 20 guys to choose from. And I wasn't in nobody. top five. So I had to learn how to say pogey all my y'all. Your issues don't come from the breakfast club. They started back

when you were over there and you were top time. But I didn't I had a girlfriend over there. Is it a true? Call a yobo. It's called yobo. Yobo is like a girlfriend for a year. Is it like, is how clear? Did they have like ? Lady, pretty much. Boys? Is that a property? I didn't traffic her. I was in the country. You leased the lady? Yeah, you can lease a yobo. Was she a full lady? Yeah. She was

She was. I had to think about it. I have to think about everything on this show because I don't know the energy and where it's coming from but yeah I had a relation I was in relationship of it I thought so for a year you thought so how much did you pay the lease her

did miles matter that's a great question did miles matter was she a hole there and you didn't know no she wasn't a hoe she was a yobo what's that mean just your partner for a year somebody to take care of you and make sure you're all right and make sure you get all right and make sure you get all your needs taken care.

But she wasn't a lady boy. No, she wasn't a lady boy. That's what I was asking. Do you have any favorite comedians these days, like any newcomers and you got any favorites? On the internet that you like to look at. One of my guys is here right now, Adrian Washington, he just had a,

he did a bucket pull on Kill Tony show. I've been working with him for like a year. I think he was voted. It's crazy. He didn't even mention his name. Minianapolis. You've been here 40 minutes. Didn't even shot that brother out one time.

Because we, we, we, we, shot it out your pocket. podcast co-host, Gervante. Yeah. Gervantes. Jervanta Roberts. Javanta Roberts. Javanta Roberts.

At one time and he's been sitting here for 40 minutes. Because we know what we do. What? Ignore each other? No, it'll be the right time for it. You ignore each other? It's the collective. I started this new thing.

I realized that I've been, I've had a lot of influence in this business. I know a lot of people and I said, you know, I wanted to do something where I got a group of creatives that we come together. We have like creative retreats. We create content and we pretty much hit all type of areas in this business and I was

like instead of, it's not like I represent anybody but we have a group of people and it's going to, I'm going to start this thing it's a raw edge collective where we come together as a crew and if somebody's like oh we need somebody to choreograph this dance routine but the first thing I'm thinking about is Javanta.

Why do you need to choreographed dance routines? Yeah. I'm not saying for myself, I'm saying if somebody had a situation like that. Got you, got you, got you, got you, got you. I'm going to be a TikTok sensation. You'll see. You'll see. Yeah.

That's right. You said you influenced people. What have you influenced? Are people stealing your stuff? If that's what you mean? No, like I've helped a lot of comics. I've helped a lot of comics get to certain levels. Why don't they give you credit?

That's just part of business. Well, I mean, I'm saying they don't. They don't. Like Dave gets his credit. All the time. Chris Rock gets his credit. All the time. People, you know, like, those guys get their credit.

Why don't it then Donnell Rollins get his credit? If you're helping people like this. Word. It happens sometimes. Sometimes people say thank you. Sometimes they don't. Yeah, I've never heard that. Kevin Hart gets his credit.

Who have you helped? Good question. A lot of people. No, you should, who? Like, yeah, who? Did you write for him? I don't want to talk about it because then I don't want to talk about. He helps me all the time.

He gives me great advice. I call him. I had a group years ago. And this probably was, this probably was a, I'm sorry. It's hard for me to stay focused, Jess. I'm so sorry. Here's one person that raised their hand and said, hey, you help me.

You cut them off. No, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead. That's all I was saying. You just helped me, you know, just giving me inspiration and, you know, mentoring me and things like that. Just great advice. I appreciate you. You're one of the best stand-up comedians ever. Yes, you are fun.

I really, I really, I really, I appreciate you. Yeah. And I say it all the time. Yeah, you do. And I probably repeat myself, I remember years ago, you had. reached out to me in a DM and this was when you was first starting the only thing you want to know is like what I need to do and I didn't I didn't give you I don't think I gave you any advice I might have said I think I might have said get on stage I think I might say get on stage everything you're

going to learn is going to be from them from what you do as a performer and it's interesting because I know people go at you or whatever right and the thing that fucks me up the most like if you don't respect anything about you respect your hustle yeah you know I'm saying like people think it's easier I know you get it all the time oh because she got these followers but Those followers just don't come out of nowhere. They come from putting the work in. I've seen you grow as a stand-up. When we just did that show, where were we?

New England, Sacramento. Yeah, and I was like, why don't they talk about this? You know, I've seen you captivate the audience. The way you act is, you just had that audience in the palm of your hand. I'm like, I know you get a lot of dumb shit, but I look at you like, this is an example of somebody. When you work hard at something and you put the work in, you'll get it. get the results you know so i always shout y'all even not even when shit is happening you know i'll just call you like just on a regular day yeah yeah i don't have any more questions

i don't think this went the way i wanted can i can i why i was just this just brought to my attention a comment uh that somebody posted you were on kill tony i was yesterday with uh rob Snyder oh you went back okay nice and somebody and i went back did you all made up everything was made up made up we know i never had an issue with kill tony it was really bad for you on it at one point it wasn't bad i it was you got booed and booed niggin what are you talking about i didn't get booed on kill tony oh that was another place i got booed on rose battles yeah yeah you got to get your boots no no no you walked off of kill tony i remove myself from a

negative motherfuckers situation yeah that guy was I didn't say I had a got to could y'all please stop you walked off because the guy was killing you so bad I did not they didn't boo him though that time yeah I'm sorry Javanta I'm sorry Javanta what happened I didn't come here Javanna come to the mic he crashed out what what happened okay so what what did you what did you what did he hit you why did he hit you why did he hit you blink if you need help blink if you need help i just don't i just don't want to come on here and act like don't i love you so much you've helped me as well but he's a great representation blink if you need help and what happened tell us what happened at kids not last night but the time before he walked up well he has a tendency to crash out and so at that's true at that point don't know don't look at him he was already gone he was already gone okay

damn look at me at jess okay he was already gone and he he walked to What you think happened at the last one? The last tape because there's a really negative comments that I'm about to read. No, Donnell killed this last night. Yeah, he killed it. Killed it. There was nothing wrong with that.

There's a comment that says Donnell Rawlings' brand of comedy is so bad to me, like watching a train wreck. Charlemagne's gonna have a field day tomorrow. Damn. Jesus. Wow. Jesus. But see, those are your type of people.

I'm, they're negative. They're negative. They're negative. Those are your type. You love that. Nothing to do of you. You went through everything. You went through everything

Lauren showing me this And then First of all I did Was type your name And it was top Of the I didn't even go look for it And she called you a top

That's crazy That's crazy I typed your name in on X And then it just was like Probably like top three tweets At least he didn't get booed He didn't get booed again That's the moment

That's good on stage Yes he is He's amazing on stage Okay I don't like him booing him though Okay The thing is I did kill Tony

Some years ago Yes Five years ago actually And I was on that stage for two and a half hours, and I had something to do. And I told Tony, I'm not going to be here forever. You want to have hours a long time.

It's a very, very long time. You had a sushi date. I just didn't have a sushi date. It was one of those sushi spots where it takes a year to get a reservation. They sit six or eight people. It's not like going to sushi samba sushi stop, like to go. It was one of it. I don't even know the name of it.

It's a speakeasy joint. I wish I felt bad that I'm, it's like one of the best place in Austin, Texas. I had to go. And what happened was, they did a video where they showed me, have them going at it with this comic. If you look at the video, you'll see it's one shot, one can mean, it's another shot. So they edit. I know you explained it last time.

You know if you're explaining you're losing. I just want you to know that. No, no. If you're explaining you're losing. I know that is not what that means. Yes, it does. This comment right here says, what do you say? It says somebody named allegedly Drew.

I don't know who that is. He has a checkmark. Because you were hilarious, but Donnell Rawlings is the worst guest. I've ever seen. Stereotypes are so real. That's what you said to Rob Snyder. Wow. But the thing is,

that base, and I will say, Tony has created a platform for people to get on. That's one of the biggest YouTube shows, whatever. But the people that watch that, they just, like,

they are a lot of them, I say 75% of people, they are trolls. They live for moments like that. They live to try to get on your skin. And they do every time. Does the troll never get on your nerves? So it does, you said they do.

Sometimes, but I'm getting better. Do you want to hug? Ignoring it. No, I don't want a hug. well i love you i don't know what i want you have shows at the stress factory friday saturday and sunday yes are they sold out yet is it six shows or five uh it's two shows friday two shows saturday and one show on sunday i do well in that club i'm pretty sure it will sell out i don't even have to sell out i don't even have to talk about this show okay well that's

gary o'as fuck as fuck as y'all i don't give a fuck rapper Donnell came out Yo, I can't keep talking about other niggas Yo, so what, nigga, I don't give a fuck So what, fuck them all? You sell your tickets the way You sell your tickets And I will sell my tickets

The way I sell my tickets Next question I like the new fashion forward My fashion never meant backwards, nigga You don't want to need a stylist, nigga Do you ever look at the pictures of you? Do you ever look at you? I like the fashion forward down now

Trust your kids. We appreciate you done now. Yes, fucking they talk about this, sir. You dress like August, I've seen a boyfriend at the bottom. My son, clear. Like a school t-shirt at the top. The fact that you have all these gay references just ready. Anything gay, you got a whole speech about that shit, top bottom.

You don't even say pause and pause situations, sir. That's how free you are with yourself. You would just let it go and you were, you were only thing I know will unpause or pause. Do you think comedians are afraid to joke about sexuality because they're scared of how people? people will label them I'm pretty yeah 1,000% they are scared to talk about that's why you in touch with yourself that's why when people call you and this me as fruity-toity or booty bandits which all do it don't affect you because you're in touch with your sexuality booty booty booty booty or whatever it is do you think black men in comedy

get boxed into certain stereotypes about masculinity and sexuality more than others 100 I believe 100% 100 but I also believe that you know that people People's way of thinking have evolved, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know, black men, period, are just, for the most part, naturally homophobic. But now we live- That's not true. Don't generalize all black men like that. You just gave me props for being in touch with my sexuality, so don't label all black men as being homophobic. You're not a regular nigga, though, son.

What kind of a nigga is he? He does his eyebrows. No, I don't. Yes, you do. Yes, you do. Yes, you do. Yes, you do. You know, like, a bit as close to you.

I don't believe that you just naturally wake up with your eyebrows. Don't get mad at me because you got to feel yours than everyone. Wow. But I just think, I just think. Oh. The way people think is totally different now. At some point you got to be like, who gives a fuck? You just keep it moving.

What's the wildest assumption people have ever made about you and your sexuality? And how did you handle it? I've never had no wild situation about my sexuality. That's a lie. A fuck bitches. Somebody taught you. See, that's some shit of old car. I told you a gay before.

I don't know who that could be. Where did you find Javante? I've been known to your name. What I keep saying? Javanta. I'm sorry. Javanta. Like Javanza.

I've been knowing her for, how long we've been on show? 20-something? Yeah, she was working for this internet, West Popping. What was the name of that show? Yeah, she was a host of it. She was very young. and um how did we reconnect that to that

at a I was on a date and I got up on a date and studied you were on a movie at a comedy show and

and Donna Rawlins heckled your date yeah because he couldn't figure out how I was he got me like how am I oh so you was on a day

with an ugly dude in the comedy show you were trying to holl on it when somebody did that to step no how well did you do and then Javanza tried to talk to her

I would hope so Right, Donnell? Oh, wow. I had a scandal career. No, no, let me explain something. No, listen. So she was a stripper? No.

No, it was not done. Oh, she said. Oh, girl, we just like the answer. You got to be here. Oh, I'm sorry. Yo, wait a minute, why y'all was excitement for her, nigger? What? Donnell, can you sit on the couch for a second?

Don, no, don't. No, don't. No, sit down. No, can you sit on the couch for a second? Donnell. Get her a chair. Get her a chair. Do you remember, you remember some of your moves?

Hold on, hold on, let's give it her own mic. Show me one move. Donnell, move over. A Missy move, a Shakira move. No, you got to sit over there. Yes, Javanta. Javanta. Javanta.

Roberts, right? Okay. Okay, so yeah, back then. Thanks, Donnell for joining us. Okay, Jim. This is what I'm saying. Just the fuck up and let Javent. I met Patrick, too, back then.

I've known Patrick for you. This is part of the collective. This is part of the collective, giving people opportunities. No, we called her to the microphone. I know you called it to the microphone. You didn't even tell us that about her story. So he didn't do anything.

No, but this is a great story. He was heckling me at the, at the, at the, at the, I first of all. Wait, no, no, no, no, let me say this. No, no, no, because a lot of people don't argue with me. You can argue with you. Donnell, this, Donnell. You're going to say some, I want to say some, I want to speak.

Go ahead, yes. I was saying, part of the collective, like you said, of course, you invited her to the mic. I invited her to the show. That's how to collect the... You got to go back and say that. You didn't even introduce her when she walked. That's why you didn't...

All right, go ahead. Go ahead. Jamantza. Jim what? No, what? A part of what people don't see about Donnell? Like, he's so altruistic. He's so giving.

No. He's giving. He's done so much behind the scenes. And we don't really get to see that part of him. So I appreciate so much over the last 15 years or so. I've learned so much about work ethic. He's, like, one of the hardest, hardest working comedians, I know.

Yeah, I believe it. And that's, no, you should shut up and let her talk. He said you were, what? Altruistic. That means showing a disinterest and selfless concern for the well-being of others? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Maybe you're, selfish?

No, he's unselfish. Oh, unselfish, okay, okay, okay. He's giving, like, he'll get, he's selfless. He'll give the last, like, the last thread of, and the last thing he owns to you. So what happened? You with your boo? Okay, so I was, yeah, I was on a date,

and the date got nervous, because after he was heckling the date, I had mentioned that I wanted to do stand-up. So what did he say to the date? He was like, you know, how did you get her? Like, how'd you end up with her? And he was like, oh, she wants to do stand-up. So then Donnell brought me on the stage,

but he didn't remember that I'd already interviewed him. So cut to, I got on a stage, I killed it, remember? No. I killed it. Oh, no. And then, and then I would go. I was about 18 and I would go to Donald's house and I'd take notes and I was just like

legitimately trying to be a stand-up. But I was also dancing with Missy Ellie and Shakira and that was very demanding. So I couldn't balance the stand-up life and my career as a choreographer. Can I see a move? No, here's his thing. You're dancing withy videos or on stage?

On stage. I did the hip. I did, yeah, and he was actually there. I was dancing with the dream too and he was the warm-up. She was doing stand-up. She says this is this is a story. She did stand up, right?

And I told her, I said, whatever you do, don't go up there, talk about being pretty or beautiful or any of that. I said, the reason why, I said, you look better than most of people that come to a show and women are so fucked up. They will hate you for that.

Cut to, she did exactly what I told her not to do. Oh, God. How did it go? Now, let me tell you. She said something. I was like this. Right. And then she came up to me

at the end of the show. So she was like this, she said, she said, this is the only second time I was saying. She said, what do you do when they're not laughing? I said, if you are going to cry about this situation, I advised you to quit stand up right now. And that was the last show she ever did. That was a last show I had.

Okay, but that was great advice though. It really was. But I mean, I like the fact that she was curious about it. And she did it. And she tried. She had a little notepad. She was doing the thing. but you know it's a certain like to for to have if you want to say some success and then all of a sudden

it's different some people can't handle it and that's when you get strong when you go back and you challenge yourself with this person will she be on stage at the last uh scratch factory this weekend no she'll probably be hanging out yeah but she just said no i'm not doing stand on on stage i'm acting now i'm on beauty and black on netflix and then i just book my show i just booked the series regular so that'll be coming guys congratulations But I'm going to tell you, like, I've been knowing her for the longest time. One of my closest friends, I consider her to be my daughter. Never seen her.

Never seen her around? Yep. Anything. When did this happen? Until you needed. If you look at, if you look back into history of my podcast, whatever, she was one of my first co-hosts. We've had a relationship. But the thing that I really appreciate about her, and everybody has ups and downs in their career, right?

She's been through it. She has some highs and some lows. But the thing I respect the most, she never, she never stops. You know what I'm saying? Even when life is fucked up. And life can be fucked up. She never stopped. That's why I said, I told her, I said,

I'm going to be as supportive as possible. You know, we went to the Caribbean, a Caribbean music awards the other day. And it was something she really wanted to go. I'm chinted at in. We went. We had a good time. But that is like my whole idea of what the collective is.

Just if you're in a position where you could look out for somebody or throw somebody a bone or give them a platform and to shine, I think you're supposed to do it. And I think there's a real. And you have a life outside of here. So although you never said anything

We didn't know about her. We know about her now because she's with him. Yeah. No, Donnell in a long time. Never seen her with him. How do you pronounce your name again? Javanta, Robert. Javanta, Robbins.

We appreciate you for joining us. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Why you had to emphasize, we appreciate you for joining us? She was great. She was phenomenal. She was a first of light and she has a lot of energy. Thank you.

Because Beauty and the Black is the show right now. I do have one more question for Mr. Rollins. At this stage in your career, do you feel like you've gotten everything you deserve or are you still fighting for? your flowers. I'm not fighting for my flowers because whatever flowers it's going to happen it's already laid

it's already laid out. I'm not fighting for anything. I'm not fighting for any more fame or any of that. I just like the path that I'm on. I like the fact that I've been doing it over 30 some years. I still can pull an audience. I'm still funny.

You got some people that come and they go. I'm still standing and I'm still one of the, you know, dopest comics out there. That you are. Yeah. Nobody really gave a fuck. Somebody. Well, we appreciate you too, Donnell.

Thank you for joining us this morning. He said, but your man said he'd give you his flower. That's my God. And Donnell even mentioned him one time. Because we didn't we? Yeah, I don't know a little.

He'll say we know what we do. Well, Donnell, Rollis, thank you for these beautiful sneakers that you gave us. Thank you. Close up on them. We're going to put them up there. We appreciate you, Donna. This is crazy.

Look, that's Every behind Charlemagne like this It's nuts Look at this one Crazy Oh my God You got your daughters On there

That's cute That's not my daughters That's me and Charlemagne Oh shit Spreading It's the breakfast club It's Donna Rolins Ladies gentlemen

Thank you Hold up Every day I wake Wake your ass Up The Breakfast Club You're on finish Or y'all done

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