The Breakfast Club - Best Of 2024 Full Interview: Jerrod Carmichael Clarifies 'Slave-Play' Joke, Tyler The Creator Relationship, Dave Chappelle + More

Episode Date: December 20, 2024

Best of 2024 - Recorded April 2024 - Jerrod Carmichael Clarifies 'Slave-Play' Joke, Tyler The Creator Relationship, Dave Chappelle. Listen For More!  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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["Breakfast Club Theme"] Wake that ass up. In the morning. The Breakfast Club. Morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy, Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne the Guy. morning. The Breakfast Club. Morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy, Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne the guy. We are the Breakfast Club. We got a special guest in the building.

Yes, indeed. We have Jirard. Call Michael. Welcome. I'll be doing your voice in the showers. Morning, everybody. It's DJ. I'll be like, I'll be putting you in the shower.

Jirard thinks about you when he's naked. Yeah. Yeah, you know what? Let's lean into all the gay shit. Sometimes when I'm naked, I think about DJ when he's naked. Yeah, you know what, let's lean into all the gay shit. Like sometimes when I'm naked, I think about DJing. DJing is for me. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Happy to see you, Gerard.

Happy to see you, bro. I'm always happy when people come right after Donkia today. The show on the game. Oh my god. Listen, bro, let me tell you something. I was responding to you like Monique. Like I was in my house just pacing around, just being like, Leonard?ard, what would your mother say about giving me... No, let's talk about that.

So there's a couple things I want to make clear about that. Well, let's start off with people that don't know Sean. Sean Leroy, he came in high. We came in high. We came in high. This is on YouTube. People will see this shit. People will see this. It'll be the video right up next to me in the fur coat with the earrings and I'll be like, I'm dog to me in the fur coat with the earrings and I'll be like, oh, Donkey of the Day, whatever. So listen.

How you doing first? We'll get to that later. Listen, no, no, no. You bled it out. We got some shit to settle first, okay? So. Charlamagne gave you Donkey of the Day. Gave me Donkey of the Day.

For what, Charlamagne? Gave me Donkey of the, no, no, I'm gonna get into it. So first of all, because the thing I wanna clear up, and it's very, very important, if people got a short attention span, I wanna make sure that, and it's very, very important, if people got a short attention span, I want to make sure that they hear this part first, because you reported on,

you played a clip of my standup, but it started at the punchline, and it completely erased the setup of it, and I really don't like that. It made it seem like I was talking, I'm into some type of race, sexual, slavery role play with my boyfriend, which is untrue. It's so false. And I expect that type of thing from TMZ

because they have no humanity. They don't care about the people that get hurt when they report these sort of things. But you're a friend. So I really didn't like that. I know you repeated it in the Neal interview. I didn't like that. That was very, very unfair.

It was a joke. I only saw that clip, though. Yeah, but I need you to watch the show. And anybody who watches the show is not what I said. It's so false, it's so untrue. And I don't like that because it's like, no, well, we'll get into that later. It's a joke about readings. It has nothing to do with my boyfriend.

It has nothing, like the sex that we have, it has nothing to do with sex. It's something like people have been reporting on and I really, really don't like it. It's about my boyfriend reading so much He makes me feel insecure about my level of reading and look I get it It like it's something that people have been running with because one because I have a white boyfriend So like people like try and create some type of crazy story out of that Like and it's a small group of people really, I read all the tweets and it's like some gay black men and some Ku Klux Klan members who don't like that I have a white boyfriend.

They agree on that, so congratulations. The Klan and Dr. Umar and some people find some common ground on that. But he's a human being. He deserves respect. I deserve respect. I don't appreciate things being misreported or said about him in that way. It's completely false, so I don't like that. I just want to make that clear.

That's not something I... I know you were just reading the news, but you're a friend and I want you to actually have nuance with these stories. Like, look, I'm a human being and people can get hurt hurt they're actually real lives at stake with the things that you say and look come after me that's fine but don't come after like my my boyfriend who is well I'm saying when that's in the headline and that's reported like and in this report it like oh he's into race slave play with his white boyfriend I don't like that headline because it's false is not true at all now on to Dave Chappelle

No, I'm gonna stick to the joke though in context the joke still not a good joke That's on you Meaning for a while I got I got so because you're still saying you're a slave You know slave masters teaching the slave to read, you know, listen, I'm talking about my own personal insecurity. I'm an educated person I'm usually the smartest person in the room. He reads so much, it makes me feel like, oh, do I even know how to read? That joke works if I had a black boyfriend.

My boyfriend were black. That joke actually works better if I had a black boyfriend. It don't work when you're black and you're the slave and the white person is the slave. Listen, if you are- And you're from North Carolina where you know the first anti-literacy laws were created in North and South Carolina.

Sure, sure, sure, but that's not my role as a comedian to start getting into like literacy laws and stuff like that. You've completely lost that. I evoke provocative imagery sometimes in my jokes. Some people are very sensitive to that. That's your right. You don't have to laugh at that.

You could like hear the word slavery and completely shut off. That's completely fine. But don't misconstrue what I said and don't like make it into something that it's not because that's where I start to Get offended. Yeah, I don't think we made it into something. No, no, that the statement like oh you you said it like multiple times on the show like oh he's into Slave role play with his white boyfriend. That's untrue. I don't know if I said it like that. I think I said it Charlamagne

some roller coaster. That is not the joke. joke the jokes about me reading the jokes about my insecurity about like not being As well read when I be in bed next to him and he's on his third When I'm in bed next to him and he's like on his third novel of the month I'll be watching Breakfast Club interviews and I feel like oh, I do I should read more That's what the joke is the joke It has nothing to do with sex has nothing to do with the type of sex that we have and that's just absolutely false We're still not a good joke when you black and hey listen that's on you

So you you do stand up and you figure it out for me The crowds laugh whatever I'll say this about if the crowd is majority white are they laughing with you or at you? You know, it's funny. I'm actually shocked. There's actually a pretty decent amount of black people coming out to see me. I really appreciate y'all for coming out. I want y'all to keep coming out too. I like seeing it really, especially black women are like in the crowd. They've been like talking to me. They seem invested in my life and it makes me feel really, really special. So I really like that and I appreciate that. Now, I wanna move on to the Dave Chappelle portion of it

because I've heard you comment on that too. I deeply regret ever saying anything about Dave Chappelle to the press. I wanna say that I'm sorry for that because one, I'm a huge Dave Chappelle fan. I love Dave. I think he's brilliant. I think he's a bright light in a dying industry.

I think he's more important now than ever before because comedians are now just posting clips of them doing crowd work online and calling it art. And it's not art. Dave Chappelle is an artist. He's one of the few artists that we have. And I care deeply about the work that he makes. With that said, the criticism that I had

had nothing to do with the morality of the joke, had nothing to do with the ethics of the joke. had nothing to do with the ethics of the joke, that's something that's also been misreported. The criticism I had was that of a fan, someone who respects him so much that I want him to focus his genius on a wide range of topics. I think that, like it started,

but it started being really, really focused on one thing. I disagree. Well, I'll say this, look. That's like us saying that about the slave joke. I'll say this, I'm also a big fan of Jay-Z. If Jay-Z made three albums about trans people, I'd be like, hey, what's going on with Jay? But Jay-Z made three albums,

more than three albums about selling drugs. You just don't put him in that, you don't pigeonhole him with that. No, Jay-Z, I mean, listen, I would love to get into a Jay-Z argument. Jay-Z was very personal, very emotional. He always evolved. 444 was incredible because it showed growth and evolution and something you've never seen

before in rap. And that's a thing with comedy too. Comedy doesn't grow, comedy doesn't evolve. It's kind of stunted like rap and like we just started getting like real braggadocios like antagonistic with the crowd. And it can evolve. And we need smart people like Dave, like Chris Rock, like myself to actually evolve the art form

because it is dying. It's so, so important for people to go up and do deep personal stories or have a deep perspective about things going on in the world because it's not happening. You see it online. Yeah, I know. All I'm saying is, and because I've talked about Dave a lot, I don't want to talk about Dave anymore. I honestly, I called him an Eagle Maniac. I'm an Eagle Maniac. I'm here to talk about me. I have a show that I want to talk about.

Have you spoken to him personally? Have you guys spoken to him on the phone? Yeah, yeah. I know Dave. And you know what? And I'll tell you honestly, from now on, any thoughts I have for Dave will be directed in a phone call to Dave. I'll never do it again. I do apologize for that. I'm man enough to say that that is wrong. I don't need it.

I don't want the attention. It's gone on way too long. Don't want it at all. I'm here to talk about me. Did it change after you got, I guess, taken out of context after the slave drill? Because it literally was a matter of 12 hours. No, it never changed.

It had nothing to do with that. I think that, again, with the press, same thing, TMZ. It's funny because that's the thing that happens. Like, you know, I get asked about Dave or Cosby or someone like that. Like, it's almost like the press and, like, you know, they want to perpetuate a beat. Well, it's just like, hey, like, what's going on with you and this other black man? Like, John Mulaney don't get asked about Jerry Seinfeld the way I get asked about other black

comedians. Like, that's just like, I don't like that either. These are, like, there are few artists in this art form. There are so few artists, people actually doing art, people that are not doing podcasts, not doing like crowd work videos online, people that are actually doing the art. He's one of the few, I have a deep respect for him, and that's all I'll say. And let's hope TMZ reports everything I just said,

because like I'm saying it with love. You apologize to Dan Shapel. Yeah. I apologize to myself for making it like, making this whole thing get out of proportion. I should've never said anything. Again, I really wanna talk about me.

That's what I'm here for. I wanna talk about myself. Now, Shalom, he said he was upset because he considered you guys friends and that you went off the rail without having a conversation with him. Did you watch the show? I texted you last night.

Did you watch the show? You've been watching it? Did you watch the next episode? No, I watched the first four. The first three. You gonna love the next episode? No, I watched the first four. The first three. You gonna love the next episode. So respond to what he said, because he consider you guys friends.

That is my friend. I said it during Don Quijote's day, I said I love you. But he felt like he was off the rail. Now, Envy, now, Envy. I want you to apologize to him, but if you feel the way, I think that Charlamagne,

you should apologize to him as well. I don't feel like I wanna apologize. Whoa. Okay. That's not it, this. Whoa. Don't you like this? All right, well, I'm out, I'm taking my fucking camera back. That was not just about him. Don't you like this? I'm taking my fucking candle back. That was not just about him.

You're a sincere person. I'm joking. Would you want me to give you one of these half-assed bullshit industry? I don't feel like I need to apologize. I think I made myself clear. I have no need for an apology. If it hits me one day, I'm like,

you know what, that was wrong. But in the moment, I don't feel that way. All right, well, I'll wait for that when I'm in the shower thinking about DJ Indy. I know that's right. Anyway, I want you to watch this next episode because this next week I'm going on a road trip with my dad to Dillon, South Carolina where he's from. That's when you was asking about the otters?

Your Monks Corner. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, and the track. Yeah, no, the episode is really good because I have a conversation with him and I say things that I was afraid to say. Well, this is the reality show on HBO for people like this. Oh, yeah, yeah, that's for one. That's for one.

We just came in with the chopper just shooting at everybody. Yeah, it's a reality show. No, it's with love. I wanted to be said in the comment section that I came with love. I came with candles and flowers and love. That's right.

We couldn't even get to that. Jess, come on. Jess, I need you out here. I do have one more question about that though. Do you think a comedian should ever call That's right. Yeah, yeah. We couldn't even get to that. Jess, come on. Jess, I need you out here. I know. I do have one more question about that though. Do you think a comedian should ever call another comedian offensive or imply that another comedian is being offensive?

Because you could easily offend. I'll say comedians can do whatever they want. I don't wanna be a comedian who speaks about other comedians. I make art that I like. I make things that I want the world to see. I focus all of my energy and attention on myself and my art and my work.

And that's what I wanna be known for. And I don't care, I'm not on Twitter talking about other comedians. I'm not on podcasts. I mean, you know me. I don't talk about anything but myself. Like that's why I'm upset that the whole thing got blown out of proportion.

Because I don't talk about anything other than myself. I'm so focused on my own work. I think it's important. I think people should see it and that's why I'm here. Now you also talk about black women being super supportive when you first came out but also being mad at you at the same time. Oh, because I got a white boyfriend?

Yeah, you know, it's funny. They met my boyfriend, they love him. Like my boyfriend is actually, he's so real, that's part of the reason like any lie about him makes me upset. Because he's so real, my homegirl, everybody loves Mike. Mike doesn't engage in small talk,

that's a thing that I actually am trying to learn. Because like I can- That's gonna be in my next book, Why Small Talk Sucks. Hey, there we go. You gotta meet my boyfriend. Like he doesn't do it at all If you talk to him about the weather he'll just be quiet and I'm trying to learn that like I'd be out in the world

Just lying to people just like no good shirt just like I have a lot of good shirt conversations So it's all I gotta stop doing that. I don't like that How does he feel when you because you talk about your life with a reality show? How do you feel when you talk about your sexcapades or even your conversation with Tyler, the creator? Does it make him feel funny? Do y'all have conversations before? Yeah, he knows all of it. I mean, it's funny because our relationship began,

I started shooting the reality show and then our relationship began. So he like, he came in at a time when I'm dealing with a lot of things. And the show was just about me, like me trying to explore all these deep things about myself and being in therapy, trying to work through problems,

like trying to, like I'm exposing, it's the most vulnerable show of all time. Like you've never seen a show more vulnerable than this. Did he make you more comfortable with that? He makes me more comfortable in life. I think I'm a better person because of my boyfriend I feel so much calmer now Like I I'm a person that had a lot of anxiety and you could see it even in the first episode you could see like It's me trying to get all my anxiety out. I think that's why the audience feels that way They feel a little awkward because that's that's how I felt. I think it transmutes into the art form.

I was somebody that was just like constantly scared, constantly nervous, afraid of how I would be perceived, afraid of like, you know, like coming in masculine environments as a gay man, like just terrified all the time. Afraid of the kind of sex I was having. I was thinking about that because people have been talking about, like I put like a foot in my mouth in the first episode. Yeah, man's toes, yeah.

And I also want to set the record straight. He was Guatemalan, people say his white toes. He was Guatemalan, maybe that doesn't matter to some people. But I was like, I toes are toe. I've had some black feet in my mouth too. I was afraid of the type of sex I was having. I thought it was dirty and so wrong. And I used to get HIV tests once a week because I thought I was having dirty, forbidden, God-forbidden

sex and I viewed myself negatively. But as a gay man, isn't that normal? No, no. That level of shame. I'm talking about getting the HIV test and things like that? Not legally, Jesus Christ. Yeah, but listen, and I'll say this, but that's also the, you know, actually an actual fact, more straight people get HIV now than gay men.

Because straight people don't check on themselves as much as gay men. Gay men are up on sexual health because you have to be. And like, you know, that's a thing, that was actually psychological. That was me thinking that God was punishing me because something I was doing was so wrong. And that is a horrible thing to live with. And people, gay, straight, whatever, have a lot of sexual shame.

They're afraid of things. So I was doing things like on camera to liberate myself. Like, it was important for me to like eradicate that shame. Like, oh, I put a foot in my mouth for y'all. A lot of people don't think you're really gay though. And they think that you just put the foot in your mouth to kind of prove that you're gay. And they're like, if you was really gay,

you'd suck the dick on Cam. I mean, you know, OnlyFans coming soon, I guess. I don't know. I'm not sure what y'all want. I'm not sure what y'all want. I'm not sure what y'all want. Like, you know, there's a lot of silly things. There are people who get that news from Twitter.

They're crazy. Where did you meet your boyfriend from? Where did y'all meet? How did y'all meet? We met through a mutual friend. We met years ago in LA and we started dating. It's been a year and a half now. It was a scene where you, I'm sorry, go ahead.

The thing with Tyler, when you speak about. Yeah, yeah. Hey Jess, how you doing? I'm good, how you been? I'm good. Hey, can I say, I'm so proud of you, and I don't mean that in a condescending way because people sometimes use pride,

like I'm proud of you, like I'm above you. I'm so proud of you. I love you very, very much. Don't try to disarm her. She's loving the joke. I'm not trying to. Jess, Jess, can you tell? Can you tell?

You come to see me and listen, I don't know. I showed up, I like. Showed up by his camera in the green room like years and years ago when I first thought of doing comedy in South Carolina. When London kicked him out because he didn't know who he was. London didn't know who he was. And he was just so cool.

He was just like, OK, I'll leave. I'm like, no way. This is your hot car. And she was like, oh, OK. Why don't you do it? Yeah, no, no. And I've been a fan of yours for for for a very long time work on time I gave just a TV sure did you like?

Saw I saw that she was a star like, you know, like look at me trying to take credit for how You was one who got her on row We talked much I saw on my sister's Instagram. It was like she's a star. She's incredible. She's a star I was like like her like I like I was, I was, I was in Dana Walden office in Fox, like demanding, demanding they put you on the air. Cause you, and rightfully so, like, I don't need it.

Yeah, yeah. Listen, give Raoul credit too, whatever. You know, I, I'm like little Richard. I get overlooked for all types of shit. Anyway. Oh no, you're incredible. And I'm really, really happy for you. I appreciate you, Jared. No, I mean, I love you. I'm fucking with that. Harvey told us, I. Oh, no, you're incredible and I'm really really happy for you. I appreciate you

I love you. I'm fucking with that. How are we told us? I was like we need to get him up here so we can talk about Yeah, I wanted to come to the new space and come when you were here. Yes. Yes So I wanted to ask you about you and Tyler because y'all are actually really friends. Yeah, right Yeah, was that like for fun or did you really really have romantic feelings for Tyler? Yeah, I did I was in turmoil over that for a year and that's a hard thing to deal with. Of course it's like I see people online talk about as awkward as cringe. Yeah. Yeah. Having feelings for your best friend is very awkward, very very cringe. I'm thankful that he did it because I've never seen a conversation like that played out on television or in any space. And I thought it was really, really important.

I've never seen a black man express feelings for another black man like that ever before. And I'm trying to make art that I wish I'd seen as a kid. I'm trying to make things and put things out there that I needed. And so it was really important. I thought it was a really important conversation. I'm so thankful to Tyler for doing it because it's a heart.

Yeah, did his response hurt you? Because when he said he called you a stupid bitch and y'all laughed, and like he laughed about it, did that really hurt your feelings? Or it's just like, oh, because I, listen, I'm thinking y'all bet. Getting called a stupid bitch? Yeah, but that's your best friend. Yes, he called me a stupid bitch.

I know, but I call my best friend a stupid bitch all the time. Yeah, no, I know. So I'm thinking that it was just like, okay, they best friends, they cool, but it really did hurt. Did you see what he said at Coachella? Yeah, I was watching it. I stayed up late for that too.

I made a sandwich, I was up at three in the morning. So I thought it was funny. How did your boyfriend feel about that? Like you stayed up late to watch Tyler? I was on FaceTime with him. Oh, okay. Yeah, no, it's all like, you know, he's emotionally evolved.

I'm the one that's trying to catch up. Does your boyfriend get jealous at all? Yeah, there's jealousy, for sure jealousy. I'm jealous of him. He goes to the gym, like, he be getting hit on and stuff. Like, it's like, yeah, there's a lot of jealousy. I'm learning to deal with that. Like, I'm trying to.

How does he deal with it? Ooh, I mean, that's a question for him. I think, yeah, we talk about it. That's the thing. Yeah, because you're more public. Yeah, yeah, I'm public, but that's something that we talk about. And that's kind of the point of the show.

Like all these things, these feelings that you don't talk about, things that you could just harbor. You could go to sleep at night, never saying. Like we talk about these things. It's so important. What do you think about Tyler's performance? I know Jess asked you that. Tyler is an aesthetic genius.

Sonically, he has chords that, I mean, I think that's part of the reason we became friends because there's a certain sound that I think we both relate to. He's great, he's one of the few. With the part where he said you trying to, I bet y'all saw my best friend try to fuck me on camera. I thought it was funny.

I was like, yeah, that was funny. No, I love the performance. The performance itself was great. And I don't want to be a distraction from his work. It's great. I'm thankful that he had the conversation and I think he's one of the few, like him, Beyonce, like he's one of the few live performers

that deserve all the praise that they get. He's so incredible. What's your relationship now? Y'all cool after the conversation? Yeah, we cool. I mean, he's making jokes about it. We cool. He seemed like a troll to me.

Yeah, he cool. I mean, we moved on. I have, you know, I've definitely moved on. It was a very, very tough moment in my life, and I have nothing but gratitude for him for doing that on camera as well, right? But it was hard off camera. That was a difficult thing to deal with off camera. Like-

You mean the whole year? Cause that's your best friend. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was on a music soul child have crazy mode for a year. But why not reach out to him during that year? Like why just- He called me a stupid bitch. Charlemagne, did you watch the show?

He was in school. He was like, hold on. I mean, I was- Yeah, yeah. Thank you. But if that's your friend, somebody you love and care for, what I was thinking, I was like, well, why would he let a whole year go by? Why would either one of them let a whole year go by? Well, it's very, so that's the thing.

It's very easy for things to just fall back into the elephant in the room. Like, oh, OK, we're not going to talk about it. We just go to breakfast. Like I have that same relationship with my parents where it's like, oh, there are things that we don't really wanna talk about, so we don't and we engage in small talk. We talk about everything else. And that's what the show was.

The show was an excuse to have a difficult conversation that I'd otherwise be afraid to have. How is this family? One more thing, when you were sitting there eating dinner with Tyler, it felt like, and I know in TV time, I don't know how long it was, but it felt like there was just a long moment where y'all said nothing. Y'all just ate, he farts. Lee time, I don't know how long it was, but it felt like there was just a long moment where y'all said nothing.

Y'all just ate, he farts. Lee says, I'll call you next week. How long was that whole scene? I mean, it was longer. It was longer than what you saw. But there was no conversation. Yeah, I mean, that's how real life plays out sometimes. You know, and I like the show

because the show lives in silences. It lives in like moments. Like there's a critic, Elvis Mitchell, that like called me and was like, I really love the silence of the show. I really love that it kind of lives in it. There are these moments where the show takes its time. Yeah. I was asking about your family.

You know, how was it with your family seeing everything up close and personal? Because at one time you said it was difficult when you first came out to talk to your family. No, I haven't, I haven't seen it. You haven't seen it? DJ MB, I'm having sex dreams about you, and you didn't tell me, I'm joking. I just wanna make you uncomfortable.

I'm trying to make you uncomfortable. I know you're super straight. When I've seen you with your family, but now it's, I don't care, he firsts me all day long. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I do not. You think that I know you're super straight. You're super straight.

No, I'm good. You got the chain on, like just like, the chain doesn't have that. You think that I know you're super straight. You're super straight. Nah, I'm good. You got the chain on, like just like, the chain doesn't have to. You got a chain on too. Anybody that says they're super straight is a little crooked problem. Oh, yeah, a little. Okay, I didn't mean to start, I didn't mean to react.

I'm joking, I didn't wanna react. You got a little super straight. No. No. Shalababe grabbed my body, like, anyway. Whoa. That's not true. You never?

Y'all got me like camera now like I was asking so how was that your family seeing everything my dad super nervous Episodes coming up this week, you know, like he'd be calling me like pretending he just checking on me Yeah, you know, but he really wants to know about it It's a wild thing like just imagine me and from where I'm from, you know, your son's on HBO every week, dealing with personal family things, that's insane. That's insane. So I respect my family for dealing with these things

on camera, they know that that's my way. And yeah, he's a little nervous. My mom is an evangelist, so she feels as long as she gets the word of God out there, like she's all good. She's all good, yeah. Yeah, my mom's one of the few people in the world who is exactly who she says she is.

And that's caused some tension in our life, but I also totally respect her. How did your mom, or how do you think black women in general will feel about you referring to your mother as a bitch? Oh man, that's been, oh the family been, the family been having, they got a group chat without me. They should.

Talking about that. That was wild, Gerard. That was the slickest. You know, it's funny that I actually didn't consider that like when I said it and maybe that's me being inconsiderate and maybe there is some like latent hurt that is coming out when I say that. I actually wasn't saying it, I love my mother.

I have a deep respect for my mother and I only said it, I say it kind of casually, kind of gay, like just on stage as in a public thing. I say it just nonchalantly. I call people bitches and niggas all the time. Like that's like a very, you know, listen. You can call your daddy nigga. You can even call your daddy a bit with your mother. I, you know, listen. You can call your daddy niggas. You can even call your daddy a bit with your mom.

But they gonna get mad at Tyler for a year. Cause he says, stupid bitch. Well, it wasn't, it was the dismissal of the emotion. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, it wasn't, it wasn't just that. It was that, that was all he said. Gotcha. But no, with my mom, no, that's something

that we talked about. I would rather focus on the emotion behind it. It's like, it's easy to get hung up on it. I actually get really. So y'all, this is Questlove, and I'm here to tell you about a new podcast I've been working on with the Story Pirates and John Glickman called Historical Records.

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Really angry with my family when they start talking about, you know, my dad calls, he's like, I don't like that you call your mom a bitch. I'm like, that's the worst thing we've done to my mother. Like, I think as a family, we've done worse, you know? And I think that it's easy. Sometimes that surface level conversation

is all people have access to. It's the thing that people wanna talk about because it's easy, be like, just don't say that word. It's like, hey, what's behind that word? Why do you think I'm saying it? Do you see the hurt in my eyes? Do you hear it in my voice? Like I'm hurt and I'm revealing a lot in this show

and the family can't talk about that sometimes so they just focus on the very easy thing. So more so, why did you call her a bitch? Or why am I hurt? Yeah, why? What's the cause of the hurt? Like, you know, like I feel rejected by my creator. That's a difficult thing to live with.

Like, you know, I'm not the only person that's living with like some issues with their parents, with their mom, or you just, you don't see eye to eye and it makes you feel bad about yourself. That's how I feel. And that's a really, really hard thing to live with. And I'm trying to make art and trying to make sense of all of it, but it's really tough.

What would you say to people who would say your mom is homophobic, but when I look at it, I say no, she's very religious. So I think she's looking at it through the lens of religion. Yeah, yeah, and I think that, I think at some point you have to think about how you got to the place that you are. I had a really good conversation with my mom about even her

finding religion and needing religion about the hurt the disappointment in our life from her dad and from other people in her life that led her to needing God as much as she does and depending on God as much as she does. And we were having a really, really good conversation then my dad woke up and interrupted. It was just like, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, you have to explore your life.

You gotta explore the reasons why because you can hurt people. I know people call it faith, whatever, but they're human beings and your opinion, my mother's opinion of me matters so much. Absolutely. I also wondered when you was, it was a scene where you was, it looked like you was literally sitting in a closet,

I'm not trying to be funny. Probably was. And you were saying how you felt spiritually unclean. You said you felt like a black buck in a cup. I wondered what your mother thought about that, especially the spiritually unclean part. Yeah, you know, my mom said, she said a funny thing because she saw the hookups

and like how much I talk about sex in the show. She was like, the one thing she did say about the show, she was like, I just want you to know that your body is a temple, Jibran. You know, I got mad, I got offended by that because I was like, I see the groceries you buy, you be eating beanie weenies. You know what beanie weenies are?

Little hot dogs cut up in pork and beans. I was like, you invite beanie weenies into your temple. Don't criticize my temple. Was that a penis reference or that was actual food? No, no, no, there's actual food. There's actual, maybe I'm from the South, but my mom, yeah, yeah, man, we only have time, that's like a whole special world to us.

So why, I guess my thing too is why keep living like that if you feel like it, you said you feel like a black buck in a cuck, that's some strong language. Well, a lot of the show is me trying to figure out working through those things, working through the shame that I have, working through a lot of the problems that I have in my life.

Yeah, it's a feeling. I express my feelings and I'm expressing them on camera for the world to dissect, for people to kind of theorize. But it was a feeling I was having in that moment and I was conflicted about it. Well, isn't that a racial component? If you're saying you feel like a black buck,

then there's a part of you that has to be like, why do I keep hooking up with all these white men? Yeah, I mean, I've been reading a lot, and so that was just like, yeah, there's all types of components. There's a sex addiction component to it, just like why do I need sex to heal? Why do I turn to that to feel better about myself?

Like, a lot of it's unhealthy. I definitely exhibit a lot of unhealthy behavior in the show. But I think it also, he's not the only one who's feeling that way, obviously. So you saying people can get some type of therapy from your show, because you're not the only person that has these conflicted feelings. I have friends who have talked to me about the same thing that you're putting out there

on the show, that you're actually going through this on the camera, on camera and shit. It actually brings some type of awareness to, oh damn, no, I'm not the only person feeling like this. And you're a good friend, cause I hope that they bring it to you because they know that you're a safe place and that you won't make them feel shame for anything that they're feeling.

That's the difficult thing. It's hard, I mean, listen, I'm out here. I be getting crucified every week, but it's hard to reveal things about yourself cause you're afraid. You're afraid people are gonna throw stones. I've definitely been afraid. I feel like a turtle without a shell. I mean, I think it's good because you're afraid. You're afraid people are gonna throw stones. I've definitely been afraid. I feel like a turtle without a shell.

I mean, I think it's good, because you're opening yourself up to people that might be going through the same problems that you're going through and too scared to share or too scared to talk about. I was too scared. I lived most of my life terrified. Terrified to reveal anything about myself,

like just trying to, just living behind a mask. It's so unhealthy, and I was really hurting myself and I'm putting myself out there so that people can feel and see that it's okay. And that's why I was so shocked. I was like, wow, he, I feel like I'm watching something that I'm not supposed to know about him. I'm feeling like, you know what I mean?

Like, so just to be that vulnerable on a show, what made you wanna do it now? Well, because after I came out, I realized that there are other things I needed to come out about. I think everybody's in a closet about something. And I was in a closet, it was more than just being gay. It was about feelings that I have.

I was in a closet about, you know, sex addiction or how I am as a friend or all these things, like just like I was a closeted person. I was holding everything inside and the show was an outlet for me. I'm an artist and I use art as a means of expression and as a means to heal. And so the show just felt like a natural, I was doing all these shows, I was doing standup as a means to heal and so the show just felt like a natural.

I was doing all these shows, I was doing stand up and stand up started being kind of a form of therapy. It was like a free associative therapy that I would just go up and I would talk about a problem that I have, a deep personal problem that I have. And the response from the audience started being better. That's what I mean, like people coming to the shows, they're like, the heckles that I get as a comedian

are so thoughtful, like no comedian gets like the thought, like coming to the shows, the heckles that I get as a comedian are so thoughtful. No comedian gets the thought, people turn into therapists in the crowd. Are those real though? Your audience. Yeah. I watched that yesterday and I was like, those heckles aren't real.

That's part of the show. The audience is, no, no. People are smart. I believe that. I believe that. Twitter isn't just the, that's not what the world is. I haven't been on that in eight years, I hate it. Yeah, sometimes I search your name to make me feel better about myself. I know that's right. I know that's not what the world is. I haven't been on that in eight years, I hate it. Yeah, sometimes I search your name

to make me feel better about myself. No, that's right. What they say about Charlemagne, I'm like, ooh. I hate it when people go over that. No, but like, no, all my, the heckles that I get are thoughtful responses because you open yourself up and people open themselves up. Like, they respond in kind.

And so I'm glad you're a good friend to your friends who are expressing themselves to you. And how did you deal with the sex addiction? I'm still fucking. He's dealing with it still. He's trying to figure it out. All right, I'm gonna get my candle. Let me go out of here.

Yo, I'm sorry. But no, on the show, it shows you, you just be on Grindr, before your boyfriend, you was on Grindr, just gettin' it in. Yeah, because that was, oh, that had to be before your boyfriend, right? Yeah, before my boyfriend, and you know,

but yeah, sex is, Better be. Sex is something else, man. You gotta keep watchin' the show. Okay. You gotta watch, do you get all the episodes? Yes, three, I'm waitin' on the one with you all. Can you send her the link, can you send her the link

with all the episodes? I want you to see all of it. Oh yeah, I did, I did. I had one with you all. Can you send her the link with all the episodes? I want you to see all of it. I did, I did. I had a good explanation though. You said because you waited so long to come out. Yeah. So now you feel like a 17 year old kid. Yeah, yeah.

Having a lot of fun. Making up for lost time. My emotional maturity level was a bit delayed. It's a little embarrassing to admit, but true. But even that, I do think there are certain aspects of my personality that I inherit from my father. I've been reading about that a lot, just like being, you know, you learn how to be a man

from your dad, and I learned, he gonna get mad, cause he gonna watch this, he's like, oh, he's throwing me under the bus. But it's just true, it's something you learn in therapy. Like, oh, this is how you model yourself as a man. And so, yeah, I look to sex as a form of validation for my manly hood, to make me feel like a man. Yeah.

What you're saying is absolutely true. And I've said that numerous times too, but I guess for me, I'm with man. Yeah. What you're saying is absolutely true and I've said that numerous times too, but I guess for me, I'm with women. So to do that with other men, you got a daddy from North Carolina, I got a daddy from South Carolina. He's not looking at you like more of a man because you sleep with a bunch of guys. Yeah. Well, here's the thing.

I mean, listen, the difference between me and my dad is that I don't leave a trail of children. You know what I mean? I'm thankful for that. Thank God. Because if I was straight, I'd have 17 kids. Right. Like, that's the only difference.

Like, yeah, yeah, thank God for that. There is a part in the show where your friend wears the mask. Yeah. One of the most honest moments I've seen on the show thus far is when he says to you, this isn't honesty. Yeah. You got all these cameras. Because that's what it feels like. It feels like it's a curated, to me, it feels like it's a curated exhibition of your sexual exploits.

I don't see the truth that you're trying to reveal yet. My job is to remain truthful through all of it and to be truthful on camera and to just be like myself. I stay out of the editing room in this, I'm true to that. Yeah, this is definitely something that's truncated to 30 minute episodes for people to consume and enjoy. But I'm truthful in it. That's what's important to me, that I'm truthful. And I'm really going through these things.

Like none of that's made up, none of that's for the show, none of that's for the camera. Like these things I'm really going through, real problems in my life. What is this show doing for you that therapy can't? Been using it as a form of therapy because therapy is exploring yourself and exploring your past,

but it's not necessarily confrontation. I still needed a tool to be confident enough to have a conversation with my dad that I'd be terrified having otherwise. Like, you know, if I'm home in North Carolina, I'm just like, you know, smiling, being a good son, being the son that they want me to be, and I'm not saying the real things, asking the real questions.

When the camera's on, I become like a journalist for my own life, like, no, no, no, what's that shit you said in 98? You know, camera's on, I become like a journalist for my own life, like no, no, no, what's that shit you said in 98? You know, I get real, real like. But without the cameras, I'm afraid. You think if y'all did family therapy, you think you would be still afraid? Yeah, I wanna get my family to,

well, I think individual is really important because you need to work on yourself and you bring that to your life. You bring that to the people in your life. I think that's really, really important. And it's funny because therapy's one of those things, I know you talk about it a lot, and it's easy. Like I don't want people to get a negative,

I know like some of the comments would be like, oh everybody's always talking about therapy, but those are people that need therapy the most. But like it's an excuse to talk about yourself. That's all it is. It's just an excuse to explore things in your life that you wouldn't normally explore. Things that you,

and those things manifest as health problems. They manifest in ways that you wouldn't imagine. They manifest as problems in your relationship, problems with raising your kids. These things are real. They'll come out. It doesn't just stay bottled in. It harms your body.

It harms your spirit. So it's worth talking about. And I want my family to do it. I think that it would be beneficial to all of us, but I'm doing it. That's really, really important that I'm doing it. I'm working on myself constantly. You do show how much of a shitty friend you are too.

Yeah, no, no. What you did pool was foul. I know, I know. Can I tell you? You can't be a best man in a wedding and show up an hour late to the wedding. It's not your wedding. And then compare it to jury duty.

Why? You know, look, Weddings are hard because I'm a performer. And so I look at weddings as a show. I'm like, all right, what is this show that we're going to? But I love Pooh and you know, I actually got to, we've been talking a lot. I hope that he liked the episode.

Like he's a very sweet, thoughtful friend and inspired me so much. So I know I was a bad friend. Again, it's hard. Like this show, I'm like the villain of my own show. I'm Eric Kane of my own show. Like I'm like people are like, because I'm exposing myself in a real way.

Like some of the worst parts of myself I'm putting out there unedited, just letting the world see and judge and criticize. But I feel bad for that. I felt bad in that episode. It's something I'm deeply apologetic for. I'm learning, I'm still growing. I'm learning to not be as selfish.

Sure, that's a means of self-protection. I'm selfish because I'm scared. And I'm learning not be as afraid. What about with Jess? How are things with Jess? Jess is good. Isn't she a good actress? Was she acting for real?

Is she crying on command? She's so good. So that wasn't her. She's not crying on command. Yeah, she is. Really? She's good. Okay.

She's good. Listen, listen, if I may say so myself, I got a good eye, you know? No, you do. You're the lead Jess, but you know, there's another Jess that's pretty good. Another thing you say on the show is being honest is cool until you have a reason to lie.

Yeah. Expand on that. Well, because it's like, I was living alone and I was the most honest that I'd ever been. I was just like, no one was going home with me. So there was no reason to lie, to protect. But then I got into a relationship. I finally, I mean it took me a long time.

It took me 35 years to find someone that I love deeply to be in a loving relationship. I'm so proud of it, I love him very much. And out of that love, sometimes I can fall into traps where I'm lying about myself because I wanna protect the relationship. It's a habit, it's a real masculine habit. Oh, I'm lying, but I'm the protector.

I'm lying for a good reason, you kinda justify it. And some lies of omission, there's still lies, but when I have someone that I care about, somebody that I love, it's easy to slip into that old habit of lying because I want him to feel good about me. His image of me is really, really important to me. You say it's hard to tell the truth to people you love. Yeah, do you not feel that way?

Do you not feel that way sometimes? Like yeah, because the consequences are so high. It's just gonna hurt him. The stakes are so high. I say that to my mom. Sometimes I'll talk to my mom, I'm like hey be careful what you say to me because I'll remember it for the rest of my life.

Every word that she says, it's so. Piercing. Yeah, yeah. But some things I feel like need to be said. Yeah, yeah some things, yeah some things. But you know, it takes, look you wanna say the truth with love and care, but the truth needs to come out.

You don't wanna hold on to anything. And sometimes lashing out isn't truthful. Sometimes lashing out is just you. Emotion. Yeah, you're being emotional about not saying the truth. You're actually doing the opposite of it. Absolutely. Does Gerard callael an industry plant?

Yeah, what was that? Who said that? Well, we got, was that like a Corey Holcomb thing? I don't know if it was Corey or Criak Woods. Oh man, I wish Corey would focus that energy on a special. Corey's so funny. Corey is so funny. I was like, laughed so hard at Corey

just when I was a young comic, like just watching him and it's like, man, you got like, don't that get old? His audience has to be tired. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just like, Jesus Christ. I mean, funny is funny. All right.

But what are you? Am I an industry plant? An industry plant. I mean, listen, I wish the Illuminati was real. I wish that I could be a plant. I had fucking signed up in a heartbeat. No, I mean, listen, I wish the Illuminati was real. I wish that I could be a plant. I had fucking signed up in a heartbeat. No, I actually, unfortunately I had to work hard to get where I am.

I had to like think and I'm exposing so much of my life. That's the thing, sometimes you get these criticisms from people who've made nothing. And I'm like, that's what's offensive to me. It's like, no, focus on your own work. I've worked very, very hard to get where I am. But yeah, if I could've sucked the dick to get to the top I would have sucked it. That's why they don't want you. Cause you want to do it. Nah I'm joking. I'm saying that as a joke. Like like like. I thought cause L'Oreal was defending you on Club Shady. You know you know the funny thing too

you know I also like if I may now I sound like a rapper, but a lot of these comedians who criticize me is like, no, no, before I came out, coming out was the hardest thing I ever did in my life. I was afraid. I also, I had multiple specials. I had a sitcom on NBC that ran for three seasons. I was getting other people's shows.

I was more successful than them straight. So then to pretend that like, oh, he came out, that's silly, that's silly. I don't even entertain that. It feels like you've been trying to come out the past three HBO things you did, though. Because it was another reality show that was kind of before even.

Oh, well, I did documentaries about my life. Yeah, yeah, that was my soft launch. Soft launch, I did documentaries about my life. Yeah, yeah, that was like, that was my soft launch. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Soft launch. I remember you saying, we're like, but nobody's seeing. Yeah, yeah, people were just like kind of dismissive. For whatever reason, in the standup, Rithanyan.

Well, that's when I was being truthful. I said it like, it was truthful. I said it 10 toes down. Like, this is who I am. And it's a hard thing, it's scary. Revealing something about yourself is really, really scary. And that's the thing, like with criticisms, I'm like, listen, look at yourself, look at your own art.

If you are to criticize me, please make sure you're making art that you care about more than a podcast, more than any of these things. Make sure you're making a tangible thing that people care about before you start attacking me. I don't think being gay on TV is as shocking as it once was. It's shocking in my personal life. That's all I care, the art that I make is as shocking as it once was. It was shocking in my personal life.

That's all I care, like the art that I make is about the difficulty that I had. I had to tell my mother that, and that was hard. Like yeah, like sure, like yeah, maybe, maybe the landscape has changed. I'm thankful for any gay person that came out before that made it a little bit easier for me, but it was still a very difficult thing

to reveal about my life, and there, you know, that's not easy. It wasn't easy. I can tell you're ready to go, but I wanna ask, cause you just mentioned something. You said that you had all of this great stuff going on before you came out. Yeah. So do you feel like coming out as gay

is taking away the focus on everything you've done in your career? No, not at all. Carl Michael Show still exists. Streaming on Hulu. What's my man? What happened when I Google you? Mac was out there.

When I Google you, what's gonna come up too? Same way you said if you Google Dave, it's all transgender stuff? Things I'll talk about, watch the show. I hope people watch the show. Like if you see the show, you'll see the truth. You know, I'm confident in that. Like, you know, I think this, like up top,

I was just upset because something untrue was said. I say enough things Enough true things to talk about like I don't need any lies like like I don't need any of that, but yeah, I'm Making art about my life and and I'm really proud of it. I hope people watch the show. That's the important thing I'd sent you out of so please send it to Jess Why is it an episode of the show, god damn it. They just sent it to me. I'm sitting there online looking at clips,

looking at stand-ups that you've done, because they didn't send out to me. He was looking at clips, yeah. Envy, we know each other. We've met before. What are you talking about? You think about me in the shower. I think about you in the shower, Envy.

I couldn't send him the clips. He wanted you all to himself. What? I watched it because it comes on, I mean, after Bill Maher, I like Gerard, He didn't send me anything, what did you all do himself? Ha ha ha. He only sent me three episodes. I watch it because it comes on after Bill Maher. I like Gerard, but it also comes on after Bill Maher, which is a great lead in it. Yeah.

So I'm already watching TV on it. Good, good. I think the show's funny. Yes, yeah, and Charlamagne called you a funny. What kind of funny? Ha ha funny or like. Man, y'all so straight. Y'all are so straight.

I'm so straight. Is this ha ha funny or is this Paul's funny? Like Jesus Christ, you are so straight. So straight. Is this Paul's funny? Like, Jesus Christ, you are so straight. Congratulations. Oh my God. Everybody clap for the straight man. Oh my God. Jesus.

Jerome Carl Michael, ladies and gentlemen. Brought you a candle. Yes, he did. Good to see you, Michael. Thank you all very much. Thank you very much. Check out the reality show Fridays on HBO Max. Thank you brother for joining us. Thanks for having me.

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