The Breakfast Club - Best of full interview: 112, Case & Total On The 90s R&B Generation, Biggie's Magic In Studio, Cool Vulnerability + More

Episode Date: December 26, 2025

Best of 2025- Best of the 90’s - 112, Case & Total On The 90s R&B Generation, Biggie's Magic In Studio, Cool Vulnerability. Recorded 2025. YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BreakfastClubPower1051FMSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Come on now. We have 112. We have total. And we have Case. Welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome. How are you doing? Great, guys. This is not a random link up.

Y'all going on tour together. Yes, amen. This is the 112th, Room 112th, 30th anniversary tour. We're so excited. Brought our brother, Case, and our sister's total with us. So, you know, have a good time, man. First show is when November? Fifth.

Fifth. Yeah. November 12. Staff of Connecticut, Brooklyn is November 13th. So there's some members missing. So are the members going to be on tour or this is the tour? This is the tour.

Okay. Yeah. Nice. My other members are coming. You by yourself. You by yourself. What made now the right time for all of y'all to come together for this tour? Oh, that's a great question, bro.

Honestly, man, it just felt right. Like it being 30 years, you know, us being in the game. So it just makes sense for us to just get out there and just show the fans that we really appreciate what they've been doing, you know, been rocking out with us for the last 30 years, man. So, you know, we're really excited about it, man. Like we're managed, total and 112,

but managed by the same, you know, crew. So, of course, that was an easy, you know, decision to make with that. And then, case, you know, being, you know, the... Yeah, that's the bro, you know what I mean? And all of us having that catalog is definitely... We wanted to bring back that 90 nostalgia, you feel? And all y'all can still sing. Thank you.

Thank you. That's, you know, not everybody doing it, but y'all can still sing. That's important. That's good. Yes, ma'am. Now, so were you guys on the road already on tour before, or you had to break from family obligations and be like, I'm going to need to take some time out and get on tour? We, Keisha and I were on, we just started back a year ago.

We came back out. We did the Queens of R&B tour. Prior to that, yeah, we were home. We came out for my family. And how difficult was that getting back? on the road getting back on dancing getting back on singing how difficult was that it really it wasn't it really wasn't difficult it's like you know like riding the bike once you did it you done yeah so it was just you know my kids are older keisha still has a high school out but so

wasn't hard at all they're very supportive you know they actually was like go do it like bye get up the house mom get out of here yeah yeah yeah yeah rehearsals was dope we had to you know work it out a little bit but like kema said it's like riding the bike once you get started And our vibe is very authentic, so it's, you know, just show up and be authentic. But people want them dances from the old videos. Like, you got to do, if you ain't hitting them, them dances, they're going to mimic it. We have dances and we got our box. How did y'all find that balance back in the day between being like sexy but strong

but still screeed with it? Like how did y'all find that balance? It was just natural. Like that's just who we are, I grown up, Jersey, like how we went. Yeah, and that's what made us to me. That's what made us who we were, total. The name started out as total opposites because we were all individuals in our own way, you know? So it wasn't like you had to buy the brand.

We came as we were. We were the brand, yeah. Yeah. How was the bad boy era back then growing up, right? Because it was a time 90s, 2000, it was nothing but bad boy in the radio, nothing but bad boy on the streets, mixed tapes to clubs. how was that era where it just it felt like anything y'all did hit it was a beautiful thing it was it was fun it was yeah that's what we learned a lot of our grind from that

whole era just grinding just out there it was going to the tunnel like it was just fun it was just like a big old party yep yeah that tunnel this yeah that's crazy right us coming from Atlanta you know what I'm saying it like it was a different it was like a different culture so you know you know you can imagine how that felt he's coming I know he's from the South South Carolina, you know what I'm saying. So you coming to New York. The coach was a shock, you know. So, you know, but it was so much fun because it was just like, okay, clubs smaller.

But, you know what I mean? But it was like in your face. So, you know what I'm saying? But we learn a lot musically here. What about you, Case now? You weren't on bad boy. You were on deaf jam. You were a songwriter.

You had, you have the, I always say you have that one wedding song that you will get paid for for the rest of your life. Happily ever after. Yeah, yeah, yeah, let's hope. He said, let's hope. So how was it coming up for you during that time? Because at that time, you were Def Jam. Def Jam was heavy hip-hop, and you was probably one of the only R&B singers at the time.

I mean, it was cool for me, except for the only problem was they was learning on the fly, how to do R&B, and so I get caught up in that sometime. But, yeah, I mean, you know how big they was then. So that part was cool. It was just a lot of times, they had a lot of hip-hop sensibilities

because it's hip-hop label. But one of the things that helped me was that I was the last artist that Russell personally signed a deaf jam. So I'd always call him and be like, yo, I can snitch. Did you know their records was going to be so timeless? Like, touch me, tease me, happily ever,

ever? I didn't know, but that's what I always wanted to do. Like, I never wanted to make, like, trendy stuff. I always wanted to make music, like, my parents would listen to stuff from, like, 20, 30 years earlier, and they had me doing it. And so my thing was, like, if I could do that, then I'd be happy, and then everything else would fall in line. You worked with Mary Jay, Beyond.

Foxy Brown. Usher. Usher. Usher. Who else? There's a bunch of people. L.L. Ghost face.

Genuine, Tyrese. Yeah, Genuine, Therese. Jammin Lewis. What's a session that changed the way you saw yourself as an artist? Probably Jammin Lewis. Because I was a huge fan and I'm like, I'm sitting in room with Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis. And I'm like, and they was like, well, yeah, Janet, we're going to have Janet come. She loves you.

And I'm like, wait, wait, wait, wait. I'm like, wait, wait, wait, wait. They try to call it, yeah, yeah. We don't need to do that. I was just saying I love it. I don't have a walk in here because that would have been different. Yeah. But it was really that one because I'm like sitting there.

I've been listening to him forever. And I'm like, Dag, I'm sitting here. Another one was the first time I worked with Charlie Wilson. I wrote a song for him. And I was a huge fan. And I'm sitting in the booth behind him on the floor while he's doing his vocals. And I'm tripping out. Like, hey, this is really happening.

So it was a lot of different moments. I felt like Def Jam didn't treat you like a regular artist, right? With Total and 112, I would see them out in the club. Like, Bad Boy would have them out. And Def Jam artists, Def Jam would have them out. I didn't see you, Def Jam put you out as much like that. Was it because you didn't want to go out? It probably didn't know what to do with him because he was R&B.

I think a lot of it, yeah, first of all, I hate going out. Okay. So if I didn't have to be there, that's why you always be like, you don't hear any lot of stuff about you because I know how to, yeah. I'll be over here. So, I mean, I wasn't really big on going out, or when I did, it would be, I'd be somewhere else, unless I had to be, you know, somewhere with them. Gotcha. Did you guys, well, Mike, I saw you say that you feel like, you know, you guys' first album, without that, you don't think the R&B would be as prevalent or as worldwide as it is right now?

Oh, Mike. Oh, okay, okay. So, yeah, because we felt like we contributed a lot more. 12, you know, we walk around with modesty on our shoulders and stuff, and I know that's, you know, hubris to say that while you're talking about modesty, right? But, yeah, we always walked around with this mindset that, man, we'll let our actions speak for themselves. But we would always challenge people, like, find us, because our niche in the industry was hip-hop and R&B. We weren't just hip-hop artist.

I mean, R&B artists. We were hip-hop and R&B artists. So, yeah, the mind frame was we started that whole trend. And it's like the way music sounds now, 112 had a lot to do with that because no one can really give us a group that did it the way that we did it before 112, like as far as singing over hip-hop beats and stuff like that.

Like you are challenging, find me a group that did it. Because back in the day, what you had the A side and you had the B side, right? And then on the B side, so the records, right? They had the records. You had the up-tempo records where they were singing, but they were always all that singing over up-tempo beats and stuff. it was like it was confusing

one thing that Puff told us was like when you're in the club when you're recording a record right sing the song as if you're in the club drinking and you're trying to holler at a girl you ain't going to be in this girl talking about you're going to girl I want to be with you no one else you know what I mean

it's going to be something smooth and so when we wrote records when we wrote the uptumbo records and then slim having the voice being able to just lay on the tracks the way that we did Like that started an whole ever where people now, like when you hear R&B, it has a hip hop element to it as well. It's not just R&B. It's a hip hop element. But isn't that the bad boy formula, though?

Wasn't that Diddy? Like, I feel like Diddy did that like with J. Bligey? I feel like he did that with Mary J. Blige? I feel like he did that with Mary J. Blige? I'll give you that. I'll give you Mary J. Blige because, yeah, she helped, because we always say that. Mary is between Mary and 112, but 112, really. And then, yeah, Puff did, you know, he did contribute it because we came in.

And we R&B, we aren't, bro. Like, forget all that. stuff, man. Like, hip hop, that's going to cheap our sound and all this other stuff. And he's had the vision. It was like, yo, this is what's going to separate y'all from the Drew Hills, from the jackets, from the, you know, the adjets and all these other groups that were coming

out at the same time. And you know what? That didn't make perfect sense, right? Instead of all I would love a nigga to come up to me in a class. And let me tell you what you want to do. Just straight up. You got my attention. All right, what you want to? Exactly. That's exactly what it was. Yeah. Because nine times out of ten, they ain't going to be able to sing. So he's like, bro,

all that in my ear, like, I don't want to hear all that. Yes. So that's... Do you all agree with Mike's assessment? Not to starting any arguments here, but Case, do you agree with that? Yeah. I mean, it was part of it. I mean, during that area, that's when hip-hop and R&B was coming together. Yeah. Yeah. So pretty much...

And I feel like Bad Boy was at the forefront of it. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. Yeah. Because Total was hip-hop with that touch of R&B. You're R&B group, but I think we were more based hip-hop with the touch of R&B. And Mary definitely was the pioneer of that sound. In total, you guys are some of the, I'm sorry, go ahead. Shout to Keith Capri.

No, no, no, I was just going to say when Puff did the remixes with Jodacy, because Jodacy was just the R&B, and then he brought the hip-hop element to him. Yeah, ghost facing Rayquan on the freaking you remix, you know? Like, I can't even, I don't want to hear can't you see without Biggie Part. Like, I hated when some of the urban A.C stations back in the day, they didn't play rap, they would just play the R&B. Oh, I hated that. I was like, they did what y'all do with, um,

because I don't like, yeah, they would love me, they did it. Yeah, too, they did it. places where I would go perform people that know Foxy's on that record, which is crazy. Really? Right. Yes, because they didn't want... A lot of urban Atees didn't play the rap. That's true. Yeah, you got played a record. Wow. So how did y'all sign to Puff? When did you meet Puff and Puff was

like, this is the group that I want? How did that start? Because you used the first time you guys up in. We met Puffy through... We met these guys that introduced us to Kathy. Kathy was from Mount Vernon. Kathy Dukes. Kathy Dukes. She's how we met Puff. Puff is what is her son's godfather.

Okay. He's the little baby, the little first bad boy baby. Oh, put him in my clothes. Yep. So that's how we met him. Right. Can I bring them in? So Kathy one day, when we were introduced to Kathy,

Kathy was like, I would love to represent y'all, manage y'all. So we were riding, ride, and Kathy was like, y'all got to always be ready, always be ready. So she pulls up, she goes upstairs She's like, I'll be right back She comes downstairs and she was like Okay, I need y' y'all to make up a song And put Puffy's name in it

At the time Puffy's Puffy's actually in the studio With Jodacy doing the remix So he comes downstairs He introduces himself And then we just start singing But we're performing Yeah, we like Had them all backed up against the wall

In elevator He was looking at us like He had his mouth open He was like How old are you? He asked our ages Came upstairs we watched him

you know direct Jodacy and then he asked us how well did we get along in the studio like if we had an argument did we get back in the studio and we were like yeah so he was like okay so he was like yo

y y'all y'all sound really good he was like yo I just encourage y'all to keep doing what y'all doing you know don't let nobody break y'all up two o'clock that morning he called Kathy he was like don't take them nowhere I want to sign them what was the first song that y'all did what was the first one y'all recorded

well we we were recorded songs that never went anywhere because you were just trying to find our sound but can't you see no juicy juicy with biggie juicy was the first record i did yeah yeah and how was working with biggie amazing you got to break it down both songs juicy and the can't you see the story behind how we wind up recording juicy is like big was like our little big brother like we were close with big so we would frequently be in new york hanging out in the studio with him so he called this one day he was like come to the city we was in this he was in the he was in the studio. So we went to the studio

and he was playing Juicy. Kisha started humming something. It was like, y'all should go in there and put that down. So he, you know, just gave us some words or whatever. And we went in there and we put it down and Puff had us come back the next day and do the One More Chance song. So that's how it started.

Why didn't you never say feature in total? I've never knew that. Well, because it was or Juicy. I never knew that. Yeah. There's an original one more chance. The one on the album is different from the one favorite of the, yep, with the voicemail in the front. Yeah. We need to work on that. Juicy. It says it now when you

Google it, but I assume that it wasn't necessary supposed to be a feature for Biggie because it was his first single and stuff like that. So, yeah, and we were new. I don't think, you know, we were new. I don't think it was something that just happened. Like, we was in the studio and we got in trouble because our manager's like, don't do

that no more. But I just think they didn't plan for it to be Biggie's first album to have a feature on it. Did you all get writing credits for it? No, because Big wrote it. I mean, I didn't know y'all was on Juicy Y'all one more chance. And we know those records verbatim. The One More Chance, Dirty Version, is like one of my favorite records ever.

Wow. And can't you see you? How did can't you see come together? We just came to the studio and the track was playing. And we were like, oh, snap. And then Terry Robinson. What was the group that Terry was? The girls.

Thank you. She's so incredible as far as song. writing and she came she was like this is this is what it is okay verse I like that verse she liked that verse like that verse we went recorded it nice and it was what it was big already on it

or no no big wasn't on it he was in he was in the studio and then he came in and laid it down it's crazy wow that's crazy I was going to ask when you said we got to work on it you can go back and make sure you guys accredited on the song now even though like it's been listed

certain ways certain like how would that Because I think, I think Pam was able to do that with hypnotized, yeah. And then we get our sound, we get, we get performance royalties for it, like our sound exchange and stuff like that. And it has gotten updated. We had it updated on the internet. So now if you look it up, it does say feature in total, but it just didn't go out like that. That's crazy. Yeah, a lot of people never knew it.

I know, wait, but if y'all told a little fans, how come y'all can't, you know, you don't. No, I just never, like, realized that it didn't say featuring. Right. Yeah. Oh, y'all is definitely, you know, y'all know. Everybody knows a question. Did y'all enjoy the moment of the 90s? Because when I look at y'all, it's like, y'all are, like, mythical figures to me, right?

Like, you know what I'm saying? Because y'all defined, not just a genre, but, like, y'all would have a soundtrack to our lives. Did you all really enjoy the moment? Yes. Oh, yeah. Yes. Absolutely. Yes.

We have. We have. we had fun yes sir when they said bad boy was in the building road it was just it was a different I mean we were on a high I mean you couldn't ask for a better label you know in a place to be

and especially like aspiring artists when this is something that you dream of doing to land on bad boy and I do we remember the time clearly when bad boy was everywhere it was nothing to just walk in a club or walk anywhere and just get that love

admiration and respect Like, it was great. The world wearing black leather. You know, we wearing, you know, the headband, everybody's doing headband. Like, we were, it was, it was deepening the music. Yeah. I mean, it was, it was a, like you said,

family unit. It was a, it was a movement. And we loved each other. Yeah. Yeah. And we still do. We still do. We still do.

We still do. We still do. A lot of ways, the, how the record got together. Like, like, we tell the story of how we, we were on big. Like, if you look at, listen to life after death, right? 112 is all, like, Big, he shouts us out throughout that whole album. That's because we were in the studio

with him. Like, so Daddy's house had the Neve, the SSL, and the pre-production room, right? So 12 is in the pre-production room. Junior Mafia Big is all in the Neve room. C's come out and says, yo, Big one of hollet y'all. So we go in there from here up, weed smoke, right? So we can't see when nobody's in the shit. So we feel the round. So Big is just sitting there, right? And

And we use the word genius. We throw the word genius out a lot, but this is true definition of genius, right? So we walking in, Big CS, he said, yo, what up? And that's it. He says nothing else, right? So everybody else, Junior Mafia, they're moving around. Everybody's laughing. Everybody's smoking.

Having a good time. Everybody's drinking. You know, 12, we baked out of our mind because we don't smoke. Oh, yeah, you smoke. We bake, right? So around two, three hours later, Biggs like, yo, I'm ready. And the engineer's, like, ready for what? So a dude gets up, going to the booth and does,

I got a story to tell. Wow. My 112 CD Blas, like, because we were in the room with us. He's listening to everybody's story. He's listening to Junior Mafia, tell that story, 112, tell that story. And then he goes in that, doesn't write anything down.

Now, that's what the genius is, like, we saw that firsthand. Like, this dude never wrote anything. Him and Faith, Faith Heaven. Like, Faith doesn't write anything down either. Like, so. Faith don't write that down. Faith don't write anything down.

Jesus. Yeah, Faith don't write anything down. We watched her dude. You abandon me. Love Don't Live. We were at, what's the other studio, bro? I forget what it's, uh, hit factory. Hit Factory.

Yeah, she was a hit factory doing that record with Mary J. Blatt. And she was just went in there and just did that whole thing without no, like, yo, where the paper? She don't need no paper or marker? And then like, I'm just, just singing from life. She just, that's crazy. Being in faith, the only two I've ever seen. I got a story to tell just straight came to him. He went after just hearing everybody's story.

He was watching everybody tell their story. He was watching everybody tell their story. Like, and he just created. It's almost like, Kaiser-Sose. Yeah. Yeah. Like that's okay. So say,

the hell out of that record. Mm-hmm. Is it him and Jay Z, the only people that do that. Oh, yeah. Oh, Tip do that too? Yeah. Tip don't write that thing down there. Wow.

That is a gift for sure. It is. Back in the day, it's like R&B used to celebrate, like, love and heartbreak, but now, like, it feels transactional. Yeah. Right. What do y'all think made vulnerability cool back then? Well, you know, I just think that it was a time,

It was just a time period where, you know, where everything was going on in the world. We used music as our getaway. It was our medicine, you know what I'm saying? Anybody remember the 90s? When we came to the club, when we came anywhere, everybody came to party,

too dance, you know what I'm saying? You know, now you go into places. I don't know how it is too much here in New York as much, but I know in Atlanta, everybody's staring at each other. It's everywhere now. Oh, they're on the phone, you know, and it's like a different type of a feel.

So, you know Unless it's homecoming. If it's homecoming, Illinois, they're partied. That's true. But regular clubs is... But even when you say that,

you know, the Illumina, it's us. And they're cranking it up. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, yeah. Back then, R&B was kind of,

it was more hyperbolic. You know what I mean? It was, you know good damn well. We're not climbing no highest mountain swimming no deepest sea, but we gave you the

most of us going to be able to be. we're not doing all of that but we gave you the impression we sung it and made you believe that that was possible anything was possible and nowadays man it's just

it's different the music is too and we came from good music from my parents exactly that's what I was about to say too I think the other thing that did it was hip hop became more hyperbolic definitely a good word for that but

when it merged with R&B so much it became not cool to have feelings but I guess that That's how people felt. And then the strip club culture got involved when it's everything is that. And I always say that, like, where everything that's going on in the world and people's lives, you got to be able to sing about something more, the threesome's in the strip club. There's something else going on, you know what I'm saying.

And nobody really does that. Well, I'm going to say nobody. But a lot of the music doesn't have that no more. They don't have the feelings. They don't have the vulnerability, like you said. It's all trying to be rappers. Basically. All the singers trying to be rappers.

And a lot of that is technology. But it's so crazy because even the rappers back there, well, Most of the rappers back then, we loved them because they were vulnerable. You love Pock because he was vulnerable. You love Pocke because he was vulnerable. Yeah. And it's like now you can't be vulnerable here. You were so vulnerable at the end of, I think it's missing you.

You said, I can't sing your mom. I was fighting for my life. Okay. I was fighting for my life. I always won't be singing that song. And I was all day. Listen, so when you said I can't sing the most, you really couldn't or you just hurt? No, I was sick.

You were sick. Yeah. Yeah. And when I got there, what happened was I went to L.A. on Monday to do missing you. We're supposed to do it on Tuesday. I don't know what happened. My voice went out. So I spent all day, Tuesday, Wednesday trying to get it back. And Thursday, it came back. So what did I do? I went hanging out with Jai. And so. I'm investigative journalist Melissa Joltson. My new podcast, What Happened in Nashville, tells the story of an IVF clinic's catastrophic collapse.

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And then that night we did Living It Up. Then it left again the next day because I was out all night. So it got to Friday. It was like, if we don't do it today, we can't do it. So I went in there. I was drinking stuff all day. I wouldn't come back. Got to his studio.

It was like, he can't sing or talk. So he's like, can you try it? I'm like, all right, so I went there once. He said, can you do it one more time? And I got to the end, and I felt it going. I'm like, and then I said, I can't sing nobody. I want to say it. So I sang it.

I'm like, I'm knocking on the glass. And I have to go. That's why I didn't say nothing else. I came out and tapped him on the shoulder. I'm like, and that was not. I just literally thought you missed us so much that you can't sing right now I was fighting for my life

and then what a crazy thing about that I got nominated for Grammys for both them songs but yeah that's crazy the part they nominated for Grammys for both them songs amazing which was crazy man but yeah I was fighting that night yeah yeah how do y'all balance egos

you know when you're dealing with three legendary acts who all had their individual moments you know Gratitude It's a respect level Yeah You know what I mean

It's like Because I'm actually fans Yeah Actually fans I love that And I know it sounds cliche Whatever But it's the truth

And you know We so often we don't tell the truth You know We get in this type of form Or whatever But we are genuinely Like total Total was our first pick

To be on this room 112 tour Case was our first pick To be on this Because his catalog We just spoke about His catalog ridiculous total ridiculous one 12 ridiculous and we wanted to

bring back that 90s nostalgia you know and just bring back that whole era of I knew where I was when I heard only you for the first time you know I knew I was when I heard Cupid when I heard I'm missing you or when I heard can't you see for the first time like I remember where I was when I heard these words I was to be

where I was that when I was doing I was doing but you know I think I think that ego is healthy on a tour especially like this because you have to if you use it the right way. Like, for me, it's like, okay, I'm going to try to kill everybody. And then they're going to feel the same way. And then the fans are the one that win, as opposed to people who just go up there

don't care. We know, like, I just got to check. We come from that. Yeah, you got it. That's what you said. You got to. We come from that. Can we go through our tour and we're like, yo, you know, total.

112 just killed y'all. And that's how you got to do it. That's how you got to do it. That's how you used to threaten this all the time. Friendly conversation. Yeah. And that's the best, because the only people that win is the fans. Was there ever a low time for y'all?

Because I feel like my daughter's 24 And she loves 90s music more than anything Right, it's probably because dad plays it in the house Mom and Dad play in the house But I just, I feel like was there a low time And then I feel like 90s just came back And it's stronger than even this year Like this decade's music

Was there ever a low time for y'all? Yeah, it definitely was I think for us the resurgence of the 90s You know was something that was What we appreciated more than anything And that happened about what maybe almost like six, seven years ago. Yeah, it was like what the pandemic

that was around that area. You didn't know when, you didn't know what the state of music and how the industry and how we were going to perform was going to be. Remember everybody started

experimenting with the whole, you know, taping, you know, and then video, it was just, yeah, I thought we were going to just, it's going to be that, you know. So, so much gratitude now

to, you know what I mean, see it for where. it is and we feel like it's a blessing that of all the errors they chose to pick they picked the 90s right you know what I'm saying so thank you know I would want to go back just I really want to experience it in New York like oh oh man you would have loved you laughed at me that was crazy I think that one time you left at me go back in time I just feel like the the time that you guys were like like the top it was such a good time here it doesn't seem real like when We hear the stories or like, yeah, like, I'm just sitting here listening to y'all talk about

just walking in the studio, Biggie's just there. And, like, you know, I can't imagine being young and just being like on top. Yeah, like in that time. But you're working so hard that you don't even realize it. You know what you're like you don't even realize where it took us to step away from it, you know, and okay, we can use it as our downtime, you know, and say that that was the time for us to go back and look at it and say, man, we did more than just. scene you know we contributed to a culture like we we are part of history you know we define the

culture yeah so it's so it's that was amazing it's looking at it now being older like you're looking at it now because my kids now they're going back and they googling like dad y'all y'all did piece in the cream oh that's me that's you dad you know you know my kid no because i don't go around i don't i don't go around hey look at mike for one time you know i don't i don't do that you know i like yeah they they just they they they they they grew up as normal as I hoped I could because I could teach them to be because it's such a mental, you know, strain that the industry takes. Like, it gives, but it also takes.

One of the things is, you know, the lack of, you know, the mental health that comes along, you know what I'm saying, with that way, because you're inundated with all of this, you know, you have to be perfect. Every time you see, you're out, you always, your face has always got to be right. your clothes got to always be right oh man they don't fell off bro I just came from the gym you know what I'm here

but I think the camera messed that up the camera messed it up because when like the reason I asked if he was out is I would see everybody out right I was a kid growing up so I would go to Grand Tum and see y'all on a hundred twenty-fifth street I would go to the tunnel and see y'all in the tunnel

and different things and there was no VIP area no it was we all together that's what it was and it gave you a connection with the artist but there was no phone so it was no I'm taking a picture. Right. It was no, you know what I mean? The only thing that you would possibly do if you want, and nobody wanted to look horny, but you might ask for an autograph, but nobody wanted to come to the club and do that. So it gave you a, you enjoy the moment. And I feel like people

are not enjoying the moment. Yeah. Disengage, disconnected. To the mic. Everybody had, I hate when you come out on stage and everybody got a phone. I'm like, it's happening right here in front of you. Yeah. And then for me anyway, I don't think that, because I think part of when you perform, it's it's the, it's how it sounds, it's how it looks, but it's the energy in the room. And you can never, if you go back and watch that, you're not going to get that energy. The energy is right there in front of you. Like, for me, I would maybe take a picture,

a quick video, then I would put my phone down. I went to see Stevie Wonder. I ain't even take a picture. I sat there because there's an energy that goes with it. And I think a lot of people miss that because you like this. And I'm like, yo, it's right in front of you. If you put the phone down, it's happening right there. Exactly.

Because when you record, you got to watch the phone to see if you got the right angle. And then it would be high singing off key. Yeah. And so I'm like, am I messing up when I see the videos? I'm like, no, that's her saying. I'm like hold up Ain't no way I just did that Yeah I did that with a Beyonce's tour

And I'm like I've never went live Ever went live on Instagram And I wasn't expecting this Beyonce came out and she just started speaking I'm on live I'm like I'm on live y'all This is B and she started speaking And I started crying I was not expecting I was like okay guys I got to go

Literally I might have been filming for like 10 seconds You gotta be in a moment because it's an experience, you know what I mean? Watching it back is not the same. No, it's not. Kim, I wanted to ask you, Kim, what was your household like growing up? Because I got four daughters and, you know, a couple of them expressed wanting to be in the arts. You and your sister, Vita, y'all actually made it happen.

Was it your parents pushing y'all to both be in the industry or what was? No. God's plan. Vita was always a lot more outgoing to me, so it wasn't surprising for me that she got into it. um no like my mama had us in church um my you know my mom was was a struggle for her so like i know for me all i wanted to do was just be successful i wind up singing we sung in the choir and stuff like that but i wound up being in a group and entertaining the industry through kisha when we became friends she heard me sing but it was just something that we just always did my mom sung back up for

Aretha Franklin grew up in that era, but it was pretty normal at home. Like, I really, honestly, didn't have time to dream because I was so busy trying to figure out, okay, how I'm going to help my mom? Like, I needed to work. So, you know, that was my plan as soon as I was old enough. So, nope, she didn't push us. She supported us, like, she was our number one fan, but she didn't push us to be into it, be an injury.

You need to go to rap. Missy Elliott. Missy told Vita she had a rap voice and Vita ain't stopped rapping. She stopped rapping. This is great. So this is when y'all did What About Us or was it around this time?

Well, yeah, like Missy, we had met Missy before she started writing What About Us and stuff like, because like you said, everybody kind of hung around each other. So Missy, we became close. Missy lived in Jersey for a while too. Yeah, we became, Missy and I was really close at one time and she was out at my house her jersey

and her, Vita, talk, and she told Vita, you should rap. feet of started rapping. Wow. I got a story for that, too. So Missy used to hang out at Daddy's house all the time. Yeah. And so she was like, yo, Puff, I want to get on this record.

So we wrote a record for Gina Thompson. So we wrote that, right? Missy came in and she was like, yo, I need to get on this Joan. I need to get on it. And then that's the first time you heard her do the he. Yeah. That was the first time that, you know, she was in sister.

She was in the girl group, sister, at that point. But she had came up, but she was like, yo, I need to get on one of these records. the old's record 112 and I'm right so she was just all the time she was just in Daddy's house man

and that was the energy that was around Bad Boy it's like we were just all in each other's studio like hey Keith Mike come in here and sing this real quick Faith you know

come in seeing this record like a lot of times it wasn't you know just it was by design it was really just being in the room at the right place at the right time you know and just making it happen because Faith wrote the song

that got me signed a death year wow oh wow who was something was it that's crazy it was a song Don't Be Afraid. And Misa, who was managing me at the time, got Faith to write it.

Which, there's a hilarious story for that, though. We had a, me and my homeboy, KB, shout out to Murray. We went to, you know, you had to get the actual CD. So we had a rental car. We drive to Brooklyn to meet Faith to at their crib. She plays it for me. I take the CD. Big comes in.

He don't know us. It's 94. So he's like, she's like, yeah, this case, he's an artist, blah, blah, blah. He's looking. So we leave We go outside The road car won't start They leave and come back

We still sitting there Because we're trying to call somebody to come We're sitting outside the crib For like maybe three and a half hours I'm like we look suspect as hell We're sitting there I'm like yo if I was there I start shooting I hope they don't

So we sitting there finally we leave And then when they had um It was a radio station that I was I was hosting they was coming out big Was coming in and we laughed about it But he remembered that. I'm like, yo, this looks crazy. The car wouldn't, I'm like,

yeah, we're sitting across from his crib. Now it's dark. It's just two strangers that were just in the crib. I'm like, yeah, this is crazy. Wasn't no Uber back then? No, no triple. It was barely cell phone. We were going to the paper.

It was barely no cell phone. This was in 94. That's cool. Oh, that's crazy. The people got asked. Not. The Omar Epps write a lot for total. I heard he used to write a lot for total.

No, that's not true. That's not true. That's not true. No, yes, I just posted the other day. That's what I'm asking you. He and I wrote, tell me what you want. Really? I mean, I said, tell me what you want.

Tell me. So that's when Omar and I were just friends, and he would drive out to Jersey, and we would just listen to music, freestyle the music. I played him. I was like, this is a song that a track that they just gave us. We just started freestyling. Took it the puff. He was like, yo, this is crazy.

We played it. Faith came in. Faith pinned some more. That's how it made the album. Most people don't know Omar was a rapper, a dope rapper from Qaeda. Yes, a dancer and then a rapper. A dancer. A dancer. I didn't know the singer part.

Oh, yeah. And Omar can blow. Really? Maybe you're going to sing. Omar can sing. So you heard of Vision? Yeah, they were, I think, I want to say Def Jam. Really?

Yeah, they were like signed to Def Jam. So Omar can really sing. Wow. Just Vision, right? Damn. Man of Vision? Manavision. Minivision.

Thank you. We're Spanee. Yes, yes, thank you. But I remember, Spanke it, yeah. Yeah. But I remember,

I don't know. Me neither. Oh, he was in it before they got signed? Oh, okay. I never did that. That's crazy. Man of many town.

Man of Minnet Town. Right, right. That's crazy. I want to ask Keisha and Keema, back in the day, what made y'all decide to go up to the radio station? I made it was nice. And impress Wendy Williams.

Like, what did she say to y'all that caused you? You know, we got to go see her. Were you there? No, hell no I was way before my time Way before my time Okay That was the 90s right

Yeah Yeah But it was like late Were you there? Were you there? Were you looking out the window? Well you're one in the window She just

You know and She was playing with our money She just was disrespectful Yeah And we had already sent a warning And then she just kept Saying like first Wendy was just like

Oh yeah can't sing And then we came up We came up to the radio station. We sang. She was like, oh, we sang Acapella. She was like, oh, y'all can sing. And it was that it was just like, oh, they're a jersey. And I hear that they can't pay rent and they can't pay their rent and stuff.

And we were like, you know what, enough is enough. Because at that time, that's all she was doing. It's like, listen, you know, when we get these opportunities as black artists, we got to uplift them and talk more about the positivity that they do, right? Instead of you give a moment a blitz of something that they did positive and then something that happened negative, you're playing that all day. So we were just like, enough is enough. Kima was like, Puff, can we go up there?

Period. Period. Because I didn't, you know, I know politically we would have been in trouble if we would just went up there. So we asked permission. And he didn't say no. He was like, go ahead. It was like, Wendy, what is that that you had to say?

And she was like, no, no, no, talk that stuff right now. And then her husband at the time, security. he had said something to our security like come on man come on and she ran to the car she got in the car and stuck her middle finger out the sunroof out the sunroof and then we never heard no more from her no she just tells the story you said y'all sent her a warning was y'all the one that sent the fish no what fish I don't really want she was a deaf jet I don't really oh the boss sent oh wait wait wait wait a man he said that dead fish in the mail

yeah somebody said that dead fish and sleeps with the fishes yeah he said that she said that dead. I was Boston did that. God's rest of peace to Boston. I was on that gym. It happened around that time. And it happened around the time when I just signed and I just met it. Shout out to her, too. She passed a few years ago.

But, yeah, I didn't even know about that. Wendy used to, I can't say nothing about Wendy because she would find out stuff about me, but she would call me and be like, look, this was, I'm hearing. And she would send me the faxes. I don't know why she looked out of me. I'm glad she did because somebody was dead on. No, I hope not

Like, not a crush on me. But the reason I missed that air, though, was because y'all was able to pull up on people. Not like they, people would just be in their basement behind the computers, talking crazy, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, that's the worst. Internet, though. The keyboard bullies.

Yeah. They got to go, guys. Oh. Damn. All right. He said they got to leave. It was just getting started. I know, damn.

All right, all right, real quick, my name. All right. Two more questions. Did y'all like Tiana Taylor? How you want it, right? because she sampled, tell me. Yeah. Is y'all like that?

Yeah. I love that. We love Tiana. Yeah. I love that. Yes, we do. Okay, perfect. And King Combs is on it as well.

But yeah, I thought that was, that was a bop that took me back. You know what I'm saying? Like to y'all, so I thought that was dope. Yeah. Stay tuned. Okay. You might be saying something with that. Okay.

All right, a little time, time. A little time, time. You know, that's what stuff. Now, Kay's. Yes, ma. You know, the best man I can be. Now, with all those egos. you got Jen

Tyrese R.O. and yourself. How did that studio session go? I felt like It was cool, but I'm going to tell you it probably would have not been as cool but it's Jimmy Jammy and Terry Lewis so you're going to kind of act right

even if you don't want to be here. So it's them. Did you all record at once? Yeah, we all flew in and recorded the same time. Yo. I was the last one I got there because my flight got delayed away but yeah, we was all there.

Actually, I was having a party at Jimmy's, a platinum party that night that I missed because I had to go up there do that but it was cool because it's jamming lewis like you ain't go get in there and i get asked with them that was the funniest music video i've ever seen yeah i'd be seeing the means now y'all y'all was going in so who who did the most i don't know i was worried about me at the video i'm talking about in the video shoot who do you feel did the most always tyrese now i might have been genuine back there because genuine was way more yeah yeah yeah but who do you

think did the most tyrese definitely did the most i think i think it would be probably out of R.R. and Tyrese. Because I seen a mean reason. He was like, Yo, Tyrese through the hat in what's his face? I'm like, y'all never noticed that. I think that was an accident. I think he was throwing it, and he walked, I don't know. I was high. Yeah, I was high.

And I'm looking at them. I'm like, yeah, I'm not doing all that. I'm going to hit the blood again. I'm like, I'm not doing all this. With my glasses. That's one of my favorite songs, but I just always wanted to eggs. One of y'all, who did the most? Because the most was done. Yeah, it was fun, though. Yeah, yeah. Now that, it wasn't no Jammin' Lewis there. So I already knew that was going to be different from the session. Yeah, that was going to be a thing.

Yeah, that's what I wanted to know. Yeah, yeah. When the tour kicks off, what do you want fans to feel when they see all of y'all on stage? That nostalgia, man. We want how we're talking about the 90s and just bringing back that air. We want with so much BS that's going on in the world today, we want to be what we set out to be, which is a refuge for all that BS, you know, that's going on in the real world. So if we can give you an hour, an hour and a half, three hours of just being able to separate yourself from bills and these badass kids, our hours.

Feel good. Just for a little while. Like, that's what we're, you know, that's our mission. You know, we want to, we want to feel the nostalgia. I want to go back and listen to all the records that because we're in the, you know, rehearsal now. And total show is amazing. Tough. How bad.

So is 112. Crazy. High energy. High energy. Want everybody to have a good time. You know. Just have a good time. They just reminisce.

Yeah. Just reminisce. We'll be in a time down. That's right. We can't wait. We need to put the phone with that. We'll be in Brooklyn. What is it?

Kings Theater. King's Theater. We'll be in Stanford. Stafford, Connecticut. On the 12th. Got so many questions. Can we? I know you got to go.

We appreciate it. I just got to ask one more. I'm sorry. Yeah, go ahead. Go ahead. There's no one else beat. Were y'all confused when y'all first heard that beat? No.

No? Because there was snares all over that place. That was. well we did not know what was going to be put over it okay because that was Terry once again Terry Robinson it's like how are you going to write over it is that's what I said when I heard it went crazy it's one of my favorites it's so hard if we could just get all of those acts on the stage one day we're going to stay hopeful yeah wow that joke's crazy it is what that joke's crazy All right. Well, thank you guys for joining us.

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