The Breakfast Club - Best of full interview: Andrew Schulz Talks 'Life' Comedy Special, IVF Experience, Cancel Culture, Trump, KDot + More

Episode Date: January 5, 2026

Best of 2025- Kings of Comedy - Kevin Hart, Andrew Schultz, Donnell Rawlings Interviews. Recorded 2025. YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BreakfastClubPower1051FMSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We are the Breakfast Club. La Rosa is here. And we got a special guest in the building. Helickeye Walker. Hello, everybody. Andrew Sheltz, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome. How's it going?

How you feeling? I feel good, man. You know, it's crazy. I was talking to Charlemagne about you yesterday. I was like, we've been doing the Breakfast Club so long. We got a real opportunity to see different people grow. Yeah. And you were one of them.

I was like, I remember Andrew's show starting off. And the fact I seen a couple of months ago that you sold out the garden a couple times and you had your dad with you. Light work. Yeah, I was like, so how does that feel, that growth? And we actually seen the grind. So people can't just say it was overnight because he's white. No, we actually seen the grind.

Yeah, it was, it was a while. I remember the first time I came on the breakfast club. I think Charlemagne walked out in five minutes. I had to go away. I was so excited. I was like, hey man, can't come and show you? He was like, y'all, I got you, bro. He comes and he starts to show you.

He goes, I got my man, Shultz here. I'll take it away. And then he just left. But it was still a great interview. You do that a lot. You got that a lot. Even with this one, I'm going to sit here and I'm going to talk, but I'm like, I'm more interested to hear with Lauren

and every. Exactly, that's my guy. I was telling my friend I was like, he was like, well, that's Charlemagne homie. I said, I promise you, he's going to be like, I'm not going to talk. I want to hear what y'all have to say. Because I know what he thinks about things, but I want to talk every week.

Yes, I'm more interested to hear what y'all think. He's going to chime in, you'll see. Yeah, once it gets a little spicy, once it gets a little spicy, he'll be in there. Man, you had all of us thinking that that poor girl's family died. The Portia Williams. I was terrifying, but he's looking at this note, and then I see her looking at the note, and then I'm like,

damn, somebody died, and the only thing I'm thinking is, is she going to stop the interview? you know what I mean like there's this moment where you're like does she care so much about fame she's like well they're already dead

they ain't gonna be born it wasn't a deaf she started to get teary eye and the way she looked at her sister I thought somebody died too and I'm like oh shit all I was thinking is we are getting exclusive

but you see what I'm saying she worked to me I'm just trying to get a laugh I'm just trying to get a laugh I love her but this is a major exclusive right here that's what I'm like let me see what it says

Because I need to anchor in his headline. But see, that's the TMZ brain. Because you know she comes from TMZ. And that was so bad. And I love, sorry, poor sure. Not going to wait. Everybody's good. I said, I know Charlemant, even though he's an asshole.

If that would have happened, he would have stopped the interview and be like, hey, I need you to go outside. I wouldn't play like that anyway. I knew it would have been some type of joke. I just don't know how far he was going to go. You know, it's funny when Shultz walked in, Shultz looked at that couch. And he was like, yo, that's the whole couch, big deck sat down. I didn't know the section. He's that big dick made him smaller.

Now the couch is the couch. I mean, I remember we were on Brilliant Idiots when we first saw that. And, you know, oh, my God. And I don't know. Charlemagne said, why is she calling a lift? She should, you know, she, no, why? Why didn't she call a forklift? And, uh.

And you said, how did she lift in a fork enough? Yeah. And then she came on. It was really funny. Like, I was watching the episode. And she's quite endearing. She's just like a really, really endearing voice. But when you guys moved the couch up,

And I walked in, I was like, oh, that's the famous couch. And I didn't know that there are three pieces. So I thought you rolled a whole semi-circle out. Oh, you know, we pulled the whole thing up. Yeah, and I was like, she filled that thing out. There's no way she's making it into a Honda Civic. Like, there's no way. She said she could get into PT Cruiser.

Yeah. I don't know. Yeah, maybe. Well, God bless her. I wanted to know, you know, with this day and age with comedy, right? We recently seen Damon Wayne and said he's not going back out on the road because they will cancel you for everything. But you are somebody that don't. Don't give a F what you say, what people think, and why is that?

Yeah, I don't know. That's a good, that's a good, I don't know why I don't really care. But I think that the days of canceling are done. Like, I think it's changed. I think that kind of like pendulum is swung and I think people kind of have a sense of humor now or they feel like less effective in their ability to cancel. I think you don't care because you through what could have been a hell, Mary, or it could have been a well-coordinated play.

It turned out to be a well-coordinated play. Because when Hollywood, there was a period. And I remember this vividly. One time Andrew comes in the studio and Andrew was saying how his agent told him that Hollywood does not want white, straight. No, they tried to gay me. White straight male. So they wanted you to do the game?

They gave you. They gave me, man. They wanted you to try dating men? They wanted you to try dating men. No, no, they gave me and they made my character gay. Oh, the film. Yeah, I had book. Yeah, it was great.

They do that the white men too? You say what? Go ahead. They do it? What do you mean? Because you know, it's always been that thing of like that happens to black men and that's how you like get the dresses and all that. Yeah, but that's just like, that's just like the lowest hanging through.

I don't think the dress shit is about being gay. I just think that like it's white people writing scripts that like don't have any friends that aren't white. So then when they see black people, they see masculinity, right? Like this is their like, like, what is it? Unconscious like bias, right? So they see black dudes like, oh, that's the most masculine thing. So like, what's the funniest thing? thing to see the most masco thing in a dress like to see the rock and a dress is funny you know

so i think that's really it's like Arnold Schwarzenegger i think they did it to him too because you just see this like big buff guy in a dress but yeah they i remember the guy who uh i remember the guy who uh it was his show he put me in the show paul riser remember paul riser he uh i mean he was make a million dollars an episode on his show on uh sitcom back in the day he remember the fuck i'm talking about he was like one of the biggest sitcom stars he's a great guy And we were doing the show, I think it ended up on Hulu, and he called me. He was like, listen, man, you know, there's a lot of white people on the show that took place in the 70s. It was about the Johnny Carson show.

He's like, two weeks before he started filming me, he's like, hey, man, we got to make your character gay. And I was like, what do you mean by that? Did you ask, how gay? B, E.I. This is before. This is before. Damn. Yeah.

So, I was, he was like, how gay? And he's, I was like, why do we have to make it gay? He's like, ah, you know, it's just a lot of white people on the shows. We got to find a way to mix it up. They made one guy crippled. That was the most hilarious thing. That's the E.I, too, though. I know, but it was like, they couldn't make us all gay, so, like, one guy got to be crippled.

Yeah. And I was like, why aren't you ask? Do you know what I mean? I'd rather be lipping around this shit than butt fuck. You know what I mean? So, and... That's funny, though. You get butt-fugged, then you're both lipping.

Just to the cripple. So, that's so cute. We're here, guys. So, yeah, so they made it, it was crazy. Like, I had to change one of the script. It was two, one of the guys, it got too gay. They wanted you to kiss about you. Wait, what's two gay?

They wanted me to get gangbangs. Damn. No, like, they had, so they had, like, this one script. I got it on the day. They're like, yeah, it'd be really funny if you were, like, walking into this room, there's three guys behind you. And I was like, man, let me tell you what's not going to happen. All right?

Y'all taking this D-I shit too far. I want you to get with the train. And it was like in the 70s or like, it was like AIDS. You know what I mean? Like, there was no protection for that shit. And now we got three different guys following me into a bedroom. So that was in the script? That was in the script.

And I was like, I ain't doing that shit. I was like, I don't think my guy would do that. So what did you do? There's a scene where apparently, now like my hands are on the wall. Okay. And then like. That was the Johnny Carson show?

That was the Johnny Carson show. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But nothing, I don't do anything, but the audience is gay for. thinking about it. Y'all are gay, not me. I just had my hands on the wall. All I was simply saying was there was a point where Andrew was like, look, I'm going on my own terms.

You know what I'm saying? So if everybody's going this way, I'm going to make the kind of comedy I want to make. And if it works, it works. If it doesn't, it doesn't. But it ended up working. I did, my thing was, it's like I saw a lot of people kind of watering down their shit for what the TV networks were putting on. And I got empathy for the people that work at the networks, too.

too like you see you got a kid who's in private school you want to build a pool at your house or whatever you're not trying to lose your job because i want to make some crazy joke so but it felt watered down and i didn't want to change the comedy so i was like where can i put out the comedy and honestly like having the pod with charlemagne and we're putting out like brilliant idiot stuff and we're saying crazy jokes and like people really seem to like it and i was like i think there's an appetite for this shit online i saw your guy's success like just seeing your guy's show kill it on YouTube, it just kind of reminds me, like, people are consuming stuff on YouTube. They're consuming high-quality content, long form.

What if we just started putting stand-up out there? And I think knowing that there was this place for it made me feel way more confident. I didn't really care if it was, like, on a network. I just wanted to do the comedy I wanted to do. And then it worked, man. But you ended up, that was risky because you was giving away your bread and butter, though. Because you're giving up parts of your stand-up special. Yeah, yeah, that's true.

But at the same time as, like, I was writing so much. you know, back then because I had to go back to the same markets every single year. I had to go back to Albany every single year. So I didn't want to do the same jokes from last year. You know, like people, like, that's something like early on. I was like, I'm not going to waste people's money. You know, every tour, I was like, people work hard. They've got to get a babysitter.

Like, it's a whole night. It's dinner. It's expensive to come out to a show. So I was like, this got to be the best show that they see. At least we got to attempt to make it. So I would have a new set and then what was I doing for the old set? And I put that shit out there and like the jokes would start to go over. and I was saying some wild shit

and you pissed a lot of people off you ever got threatened Diddy or doesy I said Diddy? No I meant Diddy I was thinking Diddy but you would have a lot of people What are we thinking about when he said that When you hear that name what comes out Like what do you think about

The baby oil behind him You see the baby oil behind him? I love how much you guys have a braced White Boy Fun it makes me so happy Like that's white boy fun You guys are the black pioneers A White Boy Fun Like I feel

And you know what You know how like And the way he goes too far, like, you know what white boy fun is? No, I'm, please. Just like straight guys making gay jokes with each other. Oh, okay. This is that my old job. Yeah, that is very white.

Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, like, we just call that gay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We call white boy boy fun because it's not gay if it's two straight guys doing it. Okay. Yeah, but once there's a gay guy involved, then it becomes gay. No.

So the white boyfriend I experienced at my last job, there would be a gay guy involved and it still was just, who, this is a great, this is fine. That's gay? Yeah. Yeah, but that's what they said in all. office but when they left they were like y'all they're gay for doing that shit i'm just telling you that's it yeah yeah if it was my first time seeing it i was like wow and you didn't know what to think right no yeah yeah yeah so this is like classic you know when white twos hang out that it's all gay jokes

okay and mexican shout of mexan mexican got good at gay yeah oh mexian definitely got good gay jokes remember on training day when the dude was like you ever had your shit pushed in oh yeah that seemed like a rape couldn't i don't know if he was joking about that that didn't seem like a gay I didn't understand why he wanted that. Why wouldn't you want him to go get an enema, bro? Yeah, you want to clean that out. You know what I mean? So, okay, so...

Mexican gay jokes? No, they've been... You never seen one eat the corn the long way? I like that corn. Can you please not throwing that corn for me? That's my favorite part. So usually you eat on the side, but you ever see the dude

eat the corn the long way? That's crazy. I can't finish my shot. You were crazy. But I was asking, have you got threatened to a point where you was like, I got to chill out. Because you go to anybody anyhow.

I got punched on stage. I used to get beer bottles thrown to me. Can you fight? No, I mean. You box? Yeah, I used to box. Like, I wasn't like, but I'm not like some like try to fight everybody tough guy at all. Like box and do Pilates.

Yeah, there you go. That's better. Yeah, yeah. If we're organized and we're in a ring, I'll probably fuck you up. If on the street and shit, I'm like, I don't really want to go do a lot. But, um, but yeah, yeah, I used to go through that kind of stuff all the time. But I just wasn't really funny enough back then. that's the way you know like you have the ideas you just don't got the skills to execute it it's not silly enough yet and then eventually I think you could develop the skills and then you could say even wilder jokes but in a way where people find it kind of funny and silly now that's something I never heard you say I never heard you say you didn't feel like he was funny enough back as I look back like you know like there was I had funny jokes but I also just didn't have the skill to execute some other ones so it would just be I just say some wild shit and I'm like yeah this is funny and then you know sometimes the jokes are working and then sometimes the jokes are working and then

sometimes they just really wouldn't work. But I feel like now I'm getting close to a point where even if somebody hates the topic I'm talking about, I can make it funny enough where they could laugh at it. You talked about the censorship era being good for comedy because it set like certain boundaries like whatnot to be naughty. Yeah, but so having those boundaries and then you saying you look back at your old tape, you weren't as funny so you had to develop. So you have like there's a whole system behind you of like you sit and watch your highlight

tapes and you use all of that. Yeah. I also think censorship like in a weird way. I don't believe in censorship, but the fact that it exists makes you have to be sharper, you know? Like, if you could,

we're in the air of you could say anything right now, and comedy will probably get a little bit more like absurdist than a reverent. Because you could say anything, so there's nothing that's like too edgy. Does that make sense? Yeah. So now comedy usually gets like a little like weird

and out there. You know, like, remember Zach Galfinakis, remember him? Yeah, two firms. Yeah, yeah. I used to love him. No, that's great. Like, that type of comedy where it's not like here's a political take,

but it's more like he's a character and it's a little weird. That type of comedy gets popular when you can say anything. And then when, you know, censorship comes back, usually the guy's like a Chris Rock, you know. I mean, just these like historic figures. But that's why I think well-crafted jokes, that's why the life special is actually special because well-crafted jokes have to make a comeback now

because we live in a world where everybody just says in you. Oh, wow, shit. But what's the joke? How are you packaging it? I agree. You know what I mean? Yes, yeah. And people will give you that liberty.

Like, if it's good, if the joke is good, they'll let you rock with it even if they don't like the topic or even the opinion. They, you know, they're like, okay, I know what you were trying to say. Also, the life one is just like so, it's so personal and it's so vulnerable. I think I get a little leeway with the other shit. I had to watch it twice. I'm going to hold you. No.

No, I don't know if you're going to like celebrate it. But, okay, so the first time I watched it, maybe because it was so personal. Like, I was like, okay, where's the, like, I wasn't laughing at everything. Oh, really? Yeah, but it was because I was trying to follow the story and I'm like, wait, like, low-key, you, like, that was, that had to be tough for you. Yeah. And then I went back again and I watched it and it was funny. And I was like, okay.

But I'm like, I don't know why I had, I've never had to do that. Well, the fact that you watch it twice, I mean, that to me is great. And, you know, whatever you get out of it, that's awesome. Did you feel a little bit retarded that you? you didn't get it the first time? It wasn't that I didn't get it. I think when I, because that was my first time ever seeing you do stand-up.

And I've heard so much about you. I think I instantly just thought I was gonna be like, oh my God, but I was like, no way, y'all couldn't have a baby. And like, there's all this stuff that was there. I think my empathy for you came in. And I didn't find it funny. And then the second time, the empathy was removed and I'm like, oh, he's funny.

Yeah, yeah. But I didn't get it, but I've never, I brought that up because I'm wondering like, is there, is that on purpose? Well, there's an interesting thing that, like, so the beginning of the special, I say we had the baby, specifically for that reason, is that I felt like the audience would be too concerned and distraught. So if you paid attention to the beginning, you might have felt better. Well, I did hear that in the beginning, and I watched you a brilliant idiot, so I know you had the baby, but I think it just, it felt so heavy because you don't necessarily hear it meant, and you talked about this in a special. Yeah, no, no, 100%.

I'm talking about, okay, we couldn't have the baby because it was my fault. Like, you know what I mean? Like, and I'm like, he's laughing and joking, but like, as a man, I can't, that probably, it probably still strokes your ego a little bit when you talk about it. No, honestly, no, like, it's weird. At first I dealt with it, right? Like, so my sperm, my sperm doesn't swim. That's like the issue that I talk in the-

I heard the joke that Taylor dropped to him. You know, Taylor killed me. She said, yeah, because we, I beat her in a race and then I was saying something to her. She was like, yeah, I run fast on your sperm. Yeah, it was bad. I remember that. Nobody knew it. We knew it at the time when he was dealing with.

But the people online didn't know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so I remember that too, but go ahead. So it was like that's a tough room over there. Oh, no, it was brutal. But the joke was fantastic. Like, you got to keep it in. So, yeah, so it's like when I thought it was my wife's fault,

which is what every guy thinks that's going through fertility shit, is I felt uncomfortable talking about on stage because that's like her very deep personal business. And a lot of women feel incredibly insecure, right, about that, right? It makes them feel less of a woman, et cetera. Right. Once I found out it was my fault, I remember the doctor said,

I was like, what's the deal? The doctor was like, your sperm swims like Drusky in a riptide. Damn. They said you were a C. C plus, which I feel like he just said the plus so I could feel better about myself, which was nice of him. But immediately after that, I start going, what the fuck is wrong with me? Like, why, you know, like, does God not want me to have kids?

You have this really weird, like, weak. And then once we decide to go through the, I actually want to, like, beat the system. I was like, no, I think I could do it anyway. Like, I got, like, really competitive. And then every time that we would try, and it didn't work, my wife would, like, cry. And I felt, like, it was really selfish

if we just didn't go through this other process. Second we went with the other process, I felt really comfortable talking about it on stage. Like, actually, once I found out was me, I felt comfortable talking about the stage. Because it wasn't, like, my wife's issue and I'm like exposing her like deep dark secret right and when I started talking about on stage man the amount of people that would like come up to me and send me these DMs like these

beautiful things about like what they're going through and IVF and like eventually IVF and like eventually having kids and like you really get to see how I think we talk so much about how people are trying to like avoid kids or they're upset that they got a girl pregnant and there's like all this like negativity around kids when you talk to IVF couples you are or are talking to the people that that face the reality they might never bring life into this world. And then by the grace of God, we're able to see this thing that they've cherished and maybe we're trying to make for years.

So you have the most gratitude for your child. You see how much of a blessing it is. Oh my God. So it's like you see the way that people react and how emotional they get about their children and it's like you get this beautiful. And then the people who had kids and it was kind of easy for them, they'll send me these messages about like the gratitude

attitude they have for their kid and they didn't realize it you know they it was kind of lucky for them so yeah it was it was really it was a really cool thing that I did not expect I thought I was going to be the only one going through this shit that's it's a tight-knit community like um most people don't necessarily realize like you know I got six kids so the first fall bang them out god damn we were trying to have the fifth one yeah and we couldn't get pregnant so we tried IVF oh really yeah we tried IVF paid for it because insurance didn't cover it that's right expensive as a mother effort yeah to the point when when we had the powerhouse concerts a pair I would have to give my wife the shot because you have to give her a shot at a certain time you got to make it it's like a cocktail

yes like at home they're giving you syringes yeah so in the middle of the concert i'm in the back doing the shot this then the other and it still didn't work so we was like eff it we took it as well maybe god said four is enough yeah but at least you had four imagine the one that it had zero but it's it happened it happened bro naturally which was the craziest thing ever sometimes it's the stress like i know it's the most it's the dumbest thing and you guys probably i mean you know about this just because of all the mental health stuff you do but like the way that you're brain can play tricks on your body that you got you put so much pressure on like having a kid and your body reacts negatively like that like there's a lot of people who try IVF it works

and then the next kid they have naturally and it's just your body goes all right it's kid time like now you're not so stressed you got one and that might be it you guys went all right you know if we're supposed to have four that's what we're supposed to have said no more forget it don't and then you stop trying and immediately bang two more two more You know, women that don't have kids, imagine how they would feel if they knew how many abortions certain women got. Bro, when I was going through this, I was like, I don't even understand who gets abortions. Yeah. Like, it was so hard for us to get pregnant.

I didn't even know that it was about, like, my sperm or her eggs. I was like, who's getting abortion? Like, how is this possible? Once I knew, yeah, I saw it. But yeah, it's a deeper. I'm glad you spoke about it because so many people are dealing with it. Like, we talked about it in a book that when you do it, so many people hit you. You'd be surprised and shocked.

It's the last taboo thing. and people feel so insecure about it because you don't want your partner to be embarrassed. So like if, I'm telling you, it was easier that it was me. If it was my wife's ovaries, I don't think I'd ever talk about it. Right. Because it could be humiliating for women.

For dudes, yeah, it's humiliating for me. But like, as a comedian, I think I'm a little, like I find the joy in that humiliation. Funny in anything, yeah. Yeah, it's just, it's easy for me to deal with. And, but I'll tell you, after talking about it and seeing all the other people going through it, it's like, yeah, that's why, honestly,

when we had Trump on there was like three things that I wanted to ask him and one of them I wanted him to say publicly that he would he would protect IVF so let's talk about that how did you meet Trump how did y'all get like how are y'all together they reached out they reached out and they were like do you want to have them on and we're like yeah we want to do in the studio and then they were like we can't do it and the studio like you know shaman knows it's like it's a you guarantee the assassination it's like windows everywhere it's like I don't even know why we were trying it's like you walk right out the elevator is windows everywhere it's bad but uh but right right like you know i hope that doesn't happen but you know so um but we were really pushing for that and then um and then when we did

the pod yeah i like spoke to his kid for a while before and i spoke to dana white which one a junior okay oh i was like yeah just tell me some stories and like i just kind of wanted to say again the party you talked about the party oh yeah so he told me about that one he told me yeah yeah there's a part I didn't say on the interview, because I said he just went up to the roof and kicked everybody out. But, like, what Junior told me is he was in his underwear. So, like, just imagining Trump. Donald Trump in the underwear? No, for the people who haven't seen the interview, Schultz in the group, they talk about Donald Trump Jr.

Had a, like, a huge party. And then they had to throw everybody out because Trump found out about the party. Well, yeah, he wasn't supposed to be back. Yeah, he was supposed to be back. It was kind of like something on like a movie. Like, Dad comes home, but he, like, never mentions it. Yeah. So Trump Jr. is like it almost like it didn't happen.

Exactly. But we didn't know he was in his underwear. So that party got real crazy. Yeah. That was the first time he addressed it in like 40 years or something like that. He never addressed it with his kid. You know, there's a guy in this room, a young black male who said he watched Trump on flagrant. And he goes, yo, he goes, that flagrant interview is going to get Trump elected.

That guy that you're talking about, he's been maggot for a while. He was not going to let him. He was waiting for that moment. I thought the same way. That was the first time I looked at him as, like, a person. I was like, why am I? Like, I was like, oh, my God, he's a granddad. He cares about his kids.

Like, ugh. But it was like, y'all made him. He was having a good time. The goal. Yeah, it's my fault. Yeah, it's my fault. That and the commercial where, uh, another young black guy in, in this room did a commercial that Trump used and played over. I met the guy who made that commercial.

And over again. You met him? Yeah. What do you say? Yeah, he was like, hey, thanks, Charlott's man really helped us out. That was like, he was like. I mean, that commercial was unbelievable. So it's awful.

World series. It's really crazy that the election was decided in this room right now. We don't get enough credit. But do you get that response from people, though? Like, yo, y'all humanized somebody that like we, low-key, even when he got shot, I felt like people were like, oh, we don't want that to happen. So what I'd say to people, and I have like a way more humble take than I think most is like, I don't think that we had any impact on the election.

I don't think that any of the. podcast like i think that america i think what america had decided is a lot of america weren't voting for trump they were rejecting the current administration they just didn't like what was happening and i think the way that the current administration was campaigning they're basically kind of saying hey everything's good we're going to kind of keep doing this i think a lot of americans were like i don't really feel like it's good so i'm going to go for anything but this but i think the idea of trump is always he's a populist so if you vote for him it means you love him and you're obsessed with him and you're mad until you die where I think a lot of it is

really just rejection in the same way that when people voted for Biden they ain't really vote for Biden they voted against the chaos of Trump and the chaos of the world at that time yes it was COVID it was George Floyd but also we talk about this America had his mind made up for two years that they were voting for Trump we knew that like it's not like we knew that we were saying that we were saying Biden needed to step down because we knew Biden wasn't going to win in November it wasn't until the vice president, you know, became the nominee that it was like, okay, well, maybe there's another option, but everybody knew.

It's not. So what do you think about everything that Trump's doing now? Well, what specifically? There's a whole lot. I mean, there's so many orders. You love the ice between. Oh, I love that. I saw that on Joe Rogan, right? I think it was Megan Kelly.

Okay. But yeah, I love the, yeah, the Gulf of America. I mean, it's North America, Central America, South America. Why we call it the Gulf of Mexico? It should feel like the Gulf of America. It's not the Gulf of North America. It's just the Gulf of America. But again, what I like is just like, I like saying audacious shit.

I'm an American. Like, Americans in general, like in our DNA, we're like we like risk takers and we like people who are brave. And I think that's like the tricky thing for Democrats right now. And keep in mind, I'm like a lifelong Democrat. I grew up in an arts family. Both of my parents were dance teachers. Like I live in New York City my whole life. So what I need is some energy on the Democratic side.

We talk about this all the time. I need some, like, shit talk. I need some bodacious shit talk. And I think the thing that really Americans care about right now is things are expensive. And I think Democrats need there build the wall. And whatever that is, it has to tap into what people are struggling with right now. So if it's-

They first have to build the team. Well, exactly. But, yo, it could just be one outsider. Like, I think it's dollar eggs. Like, eggs are a dollar. I think you just start saying shit like that. It doesn't matter if you don't know how to do it, but you start saying something that's going to resonate with people.

And that's the only way. And I think that if they make it a class issue, they win this election pretty easily come the next election. But they're afraid to do that because a lot of them are in the pockets of the billionaire class and the corporations. So they make it about identity politics. It's all these people that go to like Harvard and Yale

that like pretend to give a fuck about you guys. They don't actually give a fuck about you guys. But they get patted on the back for pretending to do it. And now they're in this situation where the rest of America is like, I can't afford eggs. So I can't really care about the bathroom. Like I don't give a fuck about who goes in the bathroom

because I need to buy eggs. until I can buy eggs I don't worry about the bathroom so you got to start addressing people where their problems are and you know it's proven that point when you look at like Gavin Newsom on his podcast with Charlie Kirk right he wants it so bad bro that motherfucker's thirsty

exactly but you see how quick he is to distance himself from trans athletes and stuff like now so now it's like oh so you never cared no they never cared you never gave them up it was just all about politics for you yes about that for all politicians absolutely but some people show it better than others some people act like they care better than others

yeah you need to learn how to lie better And I don't think Democrats are going to win so easily in 2028. I think that America, I think because the Democrats are in such disarray, America will say, you know what, just give me a sensible Republican. Just give me a traditional conservative. Give me a Nikki Haley, somebody just a regular conservative. I can deal with that. Yeah.

I think that's what's going to happen. Yeah, I mean, that could definitely happen. There just has to be something like radical and disruptive on the Democrat side. And I think that they're all so concerned, they're playing this like prevent. defense and they're really concerned about like ostracizing a group like if I say this will women be upset if I say this will black people be upset if I say this will black people be upset if I say this will trans be upset and it's actually like a harder position to be in to be a Democrat you're the party of progress you have to push it forward and you got to please everybody

you got to please everybody where which is impossible conservatives are actually trying to pull shit back it's a way easier position to be in to be like I we went too far forward but I think what Democrats need to do is just start listening to everyday working class people I don't I think Democrats are too stuck in the Ivy League. There's too much pretentious finger wagon. That's not what everyday Americans are, and you need to get the working class back immediately. And you're not going to get that back

when you just got a bunch of these super rich nepo babies telling poor people how they should think and who they should vote for. Like, I don't want you to tell me, if you never had a job, you can't tell me who I should vote for. Simple as that. You like Javan and Crockett, though. I love that girl.

That's the type of language that I want to start, I want people to start using. Like when she said, you're Putin's ho. I don't care. I don't agree with that sentiment, actually. My favorite sound bite from her that night. But I like the energy. Because what people like about Trump,

despite him being like a billionaire who got money from his dad, right? He doesn't talk like them. He talks like me and you. The Indian journalist is asking him a question, dibble dabble, dibble, dabble, and then all of a sudden, dibble dabble, debil dabble,

and then he goes, I don't know what the hell that goes. guy just said. That to me is the most relatable thing I've ever seen in my entire life. I go, yeah, that's what I would have said. That's what he would have said. That's what you would have said if we were just hanging around on the corner talking. So you like Trump because you don't feel like it's political. He's just himself. I'm not saying the reason why I like him. I'm saying the reason why people relate to him despite him being a billionaire. Because that's the thing Democrats don't seem to understand. They're like, they say that

we're in the pockets of the rich, but there's a rich guy right there. Why do they relate to him? Is like, do you see how he talks to people? He called Shorty Pocahontas in the middle the fuck I said it here. Yo, and you know what? She's sitting right there. It's been normalized so much that that wasn't even a headline. Nobody's like, nobody's like,

oh, that's his oldest. She got to sit there and take it. Yeah, Pocahontas over here pointing at her. And nobody cared. Talking about a little bit foreign. Wasn't even a headline. Nobody gave a damn. He's making fun of African nations.

He's like, we gave 40 million to LaSoto. Nobody knows what that is. That's hilarious. Like, especially being that I didn't know what it was. Neither than I. Was that a real nation? Oh, when it was. running down the stuff at the city.

I thought that that was all jokes. That was real. That's what I'm saying. Yo, it would have slapped if he'd said Wakanda. He would have said $5 billion to Wakano. That's the mineral contract we need. I need that vibranium. I want to ask too, because you talk about walking a line.

You walk a dope line because you have white fan base and black fan base. Is that difficult for you? I got the most. Your jokes go everywhere with it. I got the most diverse audience in comedy. It's not even close. Like, it's just like, you come to my show. It looks like the UN.

So it's like, to me, it's, my experience in my life, I'm a pretty curious guy. So like, if I find out something about your culture, where you're from, whatever, I like talking about it. And I'm going to make jokes about it just because that's my way of communicating the world.

What I found is, is like when you make fun of people based on things that they're proud of or they haven't realized about themselves, they don't feel offended. They feel kind of seen. They feel noticed. And they appreciate it.

So all these different groups who start coming out to shows, you know? And I was like, oh, this is really fucking cool. And when everybody comes out to the show, we all kind of submit to this idea, like everybody's going to be made fun of. We all going to laugh at each other. We're going to laugh at ourselves,

and it's a cool little beautiful thing. So to me, it's never been like, black people found out about me before white people. Like, I'm doing brilliant names with him, like guy code, to be honest, black people were on way before white people. I mean, eventually towards the end seasons of guy code, I think it like just crossed over.

But early on, MTV2 was more like hip-hop-related. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then... I think it was the Rogan. Rogan, I think white people started to find me. And then, like, you know,

Indians found me. Obviously, I'd do the pot with Akos, but also some standard clips that would go viral out there. Albanians, when we've seen me from some clip, and, like, all these different groups would come out.

And, yeah, it's my favorite thing of looking out in the audience. But I used to go to comedy clubs when I was on tour and the owners would be like, because it would be all black people for the weekend. And they would think I was like

Gary Owen or something like that. They were like, what the fuck is going on? Gary never called you like, man, what's the secret, man? How do you get white people to fuck it? I got black people, dad. How do I get white people? What about, because you say when people, you make people feel good because they feel seen, but what about in the moments where you're making people, like, things that they,

people don't want to be seen for, you're bringing that up and they're upset. Like, I know black one was really upset at you for a second. Yeah, but I would say that they're upset for like a joke that I tried to make. on the pod and like the problem with the pod I mean I love pod don't get me wrong it's like it's not really jokes it's just like mounds of clay a joke on stage is like a statue you know you like molded it carved it like you can't work out on a pot yeah but you can but it's gonna be bad it's problem and like so like what I always say to people is like first of all if like I'm making a joke I'm like teasing you

about something right and and you go to me hey that kind of makes me feel uncomfortable. I'm never going to tease you again because I don't want you to be uncomfortable. Really? About that thing. Tell Charlott a man you're all comfortable this wig. I don't care about him. That's not she's lying. That's not a weird. It's gone from the Scott. What you say? What you say? That's not a way. You try to win the black women back, huh? What? Period. That's her real hair. Get out of here. Oh my God. That's beautiful. Period. What's you looking at over there? Yeah, what are you looking at over there? I'm not looking at nothing. Thank you. That you bought.

Oh, okay. All right. All right. So what I'm saying is like, I would never like, if I have a joke where I'm just like teasing you for whatever. And you're like, hey, that actually makes me feel uncomfortable. Like my goal is not to make you feel uncomfortable. So I'll never tease you about that again. That doesn't mean I won't tease other people about that.

But to you specifically, I won't. So if there's somebody at a comedy show and she, like they're upset about something. Here's a perfect example. Girl at a comedy show. I was saying some joke about some topic. I forget exactly what it is. She gets up and starts to walk out, right? This is a little comedy club.

And I'm like, I'm like, where are you going? And she's like, oh, I just got to step out. I go, why? And she's like, oh, I just, I don't want to make it about me. I go, man, what's the deal? She goes, oh, it's just like the topic. And some of the people in the audience started to like boo her for being like offended or whatever. And I go, don't boo her.

She's doing what we all wish an audience member would do. She's going, hey, I feel uncomfortable. I don't want to affect everybody else's time here. I don't want to make this show about me. I'm just going to step out. I'm like, wow, like, you're just like the most emotionally intelligent person in the room right there. I don't ever want to make her feel uncomfortable. So one-on-one, I'm not going to do that.

But I'm not going to stop joking around about a whole idea just because it makes one person uncomfortable. I used to watch go to Paul Mooney shows. Oh, my God. People would walk out of Paul Mooney shows all the time. And it was always white people. Yeah. They would always leave. They was offended.

Like, I'm leaving. And they wouldn't make no noise about it. They would just get up and leave. And Paul would be like, oh, why are you leaving? Nah. It's not for me. Yeah. That's the perfect thing.

If it's not for you, it's not for you, be out. Exactly. But there might be someone who finds it funny. So that's the tricky thing where it's like one individual shouldn't decide what everybody finds funny. But in terms of the thing you were talking about, like, yeah, if black women are upset at that thing that I said, yeah, you're totally allowed to be upset. There's this rule that, like, a lot of comics say, like, people aren't allowed to be offended. You're allowed to feel however you want to feel, especially if you don't know me. Like, if you know me, you know my attentions.

You're like, you know, I'm just trying to bust balls. and make a fucking stupid joke and maybe the joke wasn't that funny but like my intentions are always good if you don't know me you just see it you're like oh what fuck is this asshole so I'm not even upset at your response that was my first take

and then we talked about it in the room like me and Charlotte because my first take was like who is he to even like you're welcome things we're welcoming you here yeah 100% but I was my pod but yeah

I mean but just in our world of like black women and what we deal with as far as tropes but I will say after watching the special and after you know having conversations with Charlotte I'm like I mean, a joke is a joke is a joke. Like, granted, some people are still going to be upset.

They probably be upset that I just said that. But it depends on the person. And you can't win. You got to figure out what line you're going to tread. I also think those two dudes from the thing, like, they're in a tricky situation because, like, they, I think they had said that they didn't find women in Atlanta attractive. And I think a lot of black women in Atlanta were like, oh, shit, are you trying to say you don't like black women, right? Don't get me started on them. They came out and apologized down.

Okay? They gave, like, five renditions of an apology. and they can still stay where they yet. But I think it's, you have to learn. You see through the bullshit. Like, you know some sellouts when you see them. So it's not like, it's, so they're trying to like position it. They try to put it on me.

And some people fell for debate. Like Ryan Clark fell for debate and like made a whole like clout moment out of it. When he didn't even realize like the thing you should be addressing is the two clowns that are basically saying black women are ugly and then laughing at the joke on the other podcast. So it's like that's the issue, not the comedian making a joke about the hype pathetic situation. Well, we can move on after this. I will argue that all of you guys were a part of the problem in that moment.

But I think, again, it's to each his own. I didn't like, though, that they threw it one way and didn't take accountability for the fact that, like, y'all were actively engaged. And it's fine if you wanted to do that. Oh, they threw it all on shorts. Oh, they were like, we should have, we should, we were uncomfortable. We just didn't want to say anything in the moment. We were just trying to get through.

And it's like, y'all were not victims. Y'all were actively engaged. Yes, shut up. Y'all were actively engaged. And y'all were having a good time. I never saw it. They're not uncomfortable. The only time they're uncomfortable

is around beautiful black women. Obviously. Damn. Because she went some Atlanta. That is a good question. How has podcasting changed the way you approach, I guess, comedy and after, you know, these couple of recent situations,

the situation I, he's a situation I saw. But how it's approached how you discuss things now? Do you care? You know, it cares like an interesting one. And like, I guess I could deal with people not liking me because these things a lot of times are momentarily. Like, they'll, they'll not like you for a few weeks and they think they won't like you. Then they'll move on to somebody else that they don't like, et cetera.

So that's not really like the big, big issue. You know, it's just it is one of those things where I go like, all right, if I'm shooting and it's on something like, if it's on something really wild, I want to make sure that I could, ideally that shot is amazing. you know but I'm going to fail like you don't make funny jokes every single time and I and I like shooting that means I'm going to shoot and miss a lot you know but I just got to basically understand that like there are going to be people that don't know me and however they interpret me I I can't control that like there are people to think I'm like some right wing maga lunatic and I I literally as much as I would want them to be like bro you've never had a conversation with me like you you don't know anything about my light.

You can't do that. You're just a lunatic. I'm just a lunatic. Exactly. So it's like you can't control how people feel about you. And you just have to continue at least in my opinion, just put out good art. And when I have the opportunity to put out like a good piece of art, like hopefully the special does that.

Like hopefully you see the most distilled version. We were talking about this yesterday. Like, you know, when he puts out a book, it's the most distilled version of his thoughts. And there's less fat for you to interpret in a shitty way. Right. When I'm on a pod, just shoot. the shit there's tons of fat for you to interpret when you see the special i feel like you get a really distilled version of like how i think and how i feel if you get offended by something in the

special i could really live with that because i've worked hard to make it pierced through even like the sharpest armor or the the most protective armor now i do get that i do also want to ask do you still want to make love to kendrick lamar i mean like honestly it's hard to say no to that you find attractive yeah man did you see him in them selene jean when i saw those jeans i was like boom bop beam bop boom bop boom bough wow you got to stop stop why you even ask him that no no no that was a joke but wow why did they people got so upset about that shit raises them so fast i'm just saying he's little like i hate having to explain jokes he's itty-bitty so why is he telling he's gonna kill my telling people to kill my friends the biggest thing about this

whole shit that nobody, I didn't even care that he said this shit about like me not saying jokes. Like that to me is like a million people who said not say jokes. The next line where he goes into the N-words that Coon and the N-Words being groomed slide on both of them. What does slide me to y'all? Take you out, but that's because I mean- Oh no, no explaining here. If you were enemy, you were-in-you-say-kill my friends, everything after that is fine. You took it there. If you say, kill my friends, because a lot of people thought that was Charlemagne and Alex media so if you go the next line you tell your fans to kill my friends you get made love to listen I appreciate my friend trying to stick up for me

but I don't think he was talking about so I don't think he's supposed to know you know what I mean like I didn't say anything for weeks that was the other thing like people ran with these different narratives they tried to act like after what I said I was worried about like getting death threats and shit it's like no I was getting that the second they said it for two Two weeks, I didn't say shit. I filmed my special. I don't really give a fuck. And then after that, I was like, yeah, we're gonna have some fun with this.

But I don't like this idea that like, I'm this big bully. It's like you told your people to kill my friends. After you say that, or that's the potential interpretation, if somebody said in a rap song to kill your friends. But do you understand, though, that that was in response to him feeling like you came at what he would deem his friends or his people who he's trying to protect talking about So say, make fun of my friends. But if you're in the street, if you're outside, you're outside, you can't choose whether

you out or in. It's like you out or you in. Okay. So then if he wants to play by those rules, then don't be surprised at the response. That's what I'm saying. It feels like he's inside or and outside. Plus it's a weird matchup, right? Because you got a rapper, right, who's a prolific rapper, and then you got a comedian who's

willing to say anything for the joke. So it's not even, it's like, what are we doing here, guys? I think it's because it's platform. It's like people listen to you in your voice and your podcast. That's why that stuff went so viral because you got the numbers and then he has it too. So at the moment, he's like, okay. How we know he wasn't talking about Gary Owens? That's a good point.

There ain't nobody to. We don't know. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I didn't know. Gary, Gary, you see that? Gary was the first person to jump out. I'm not about the twist that. In that moment, we knew exactly what he was talking about.

Because I heard and I knew exactly what he was talking about me. I didn't think it was me. I didn't think it was me. Because of the shits and giggles and all the laughs and the hippie-hies about black women. Yeah, maybe you were talking about Matt. That's what I thought. He got to be talking about Matt right from Gary. And everybody kept saying he was talking about me.

And I was like, wait, if he's talking about me and is he telling people to kill my friends? Well, I got to do something about that. I got to do something. I got to do something. Like, I'm not a tough guy. You know, I'm a certified lover boy. Oh, my God. But you're always going to be perceived as the bully because you're a white man.

Is that right? A hundred percent. I just thought it's because I'm... Is that right? I thought you mean, is that right? No, it's not what you mean? No, like, no. No, like, am I, am I a bully?

Like, I just thought it was like a... No, I don't think you were bully. I thought it was a size differential. That's what I thought it was. No, it's a, it's a, um... You think there's a racial dynamic? Duh. Yeah, I guess. I didn't know.

Yeah, of course. And it's the privilege conversation. It's like what you can get on a place. Like the shits and giggles guys, they had to apologize 60 times. You know, you said something's not as interesting. You said it's the privilege conversation. You know we all can say whatever it is we want to say. You just got to be able to deal with the consequence.

That's the thing. It's no matter if you black, black, white, Asian, should we get it. Most people can't. Exactly. And most people don't have the platform. And they're not, they're not Teflon down like you. They don't have 15 years of the game. They're not picked up by Fox News and CNN in Shave Room like you. Other people, right?

Period. Period. Talk that shit. Talk that shit. Everybody listen. When he is a political tape, everybody's listening. He knows that. He just wanted to hear it. Fox's got a guy with glasses and a bow tie.

Listen, every brilliant idiot's podcast. Wait for Charlotte May to say one bad thing about the I honestly don't even think about stuff like that, but... But it's the truth, though. Because you have a platform that a lot of other people don't have. Kendrick Lamar has a platform. So he's like, all right, bat. You're going to get outside.

You're going to laugh, Joe Kee-hi-ha. I'm outside for my women from the black women. And solution to Kendrick, because Kendrick does what he wants to do and he gets rewarded for it. And you can do that. This whole thing got blown out of purport. Like, honestly, I think he's, like, obviously a prolific rapper. He's, you know, it's not my, the thing that I listen to all the time. But, like, to say he's not, like, fantastic at what he does as,

ridiculous. And I have a lot of respect for anybody that puts something out for judgment. I think there are a lot of people who, like, they just make reaction content. Right. So they don't really know what it's like to, like, create a piece of art and put it out there in the world and let the world judge it. They have to deal with it. That takes balls. And I admire people that have balls. Balls. So I can feel about Trump's trans, executive orders. What would he do? His executive laws, he got rid of trans. He got rid of trans. He got rid of trans what? Women. They're not around anymore.

According to him, he said two-gen, man and woman. But that is, yeah, that is how it is, though. Isn't that how it is? Everything is, I know shine, but the sun still come up. Well, here's the thing. I think there are trans people. No, there are, but Trump doesn't recognize him. Yeah, but he's allowed to.

Like, you can't force me to recognize everybody. He's allowed to not believe. But that don't mean that it's not true. Bro, I was watching Squid Game. If they didn't have the numbers, I don't know if I'm recognizing. and what? You know what I mean? Like, if they didn't number them,

I don't know if I'm recognizing everyone. Wait, wait, wait, I don't know, really. I don't really know what I'm saying right now. Listen, let me apologize before an Asian rapper comes from me. Jen, I'm sorry, Jim. Jen, I apologize. Jen hits me up all the touchdown.

Oh, I get what you mean by the numbers now. Oh, my God. No, ever watched comedy. I took her to watch. Just to laugh at this comedy. That's it too. She's a little slow. Jesus Christ.

I'll let her watch comedy. No, wait. I get it. But wait, back to your special, real quick. I get it. I was thinking, and I know you and your wife have been together for some years, so this is like a hypothetical question for a... Yeah, sure, sure, sure.

Or more of an ego question. I love it, love it. At any point when that was happening and you found out that it was your fault, because of, you know, just your pride and your ego being hurt, did you ever feel like, man, like, what if she leaves me because I can't make this happen? Yeah, there's a part of you that goes through that. You're just like, will she not find me, like, as masculine or, you're just like, as masculine or not find me attractive?

Like, will something primally happen inside her? Yeah. Where, like, she'll reject me because I can't do the thing we're put here to do. So, yeah, you immediately go through that. And then, like, that insecurity takes over. And then you're, like, more sensitive about certain things. If she's not being sweet one day, you're like, is that it? You know, did she stop?

So this shit tears apart relationships. That's why I tell people, like, if you find out there's a problem, do IVF immediately instead of, like, going through the, emotional turmoil that could break you guys up but um but no she's like I mean this is like a little thing in the special nobody would really understand or even probably catch but like the first joke I make in the special is about this uh you know about about about guys who say we're pregnant and I was insulting to women and then I say yes like my wife when my wife says that we made a lot of money right the last piece of the special is when my

wife is is saying you know when when she thought that she lost the baby and uh i'm apologizing i'm like i'm so sorry that this is my fault and you got to bear the burden and she goes uh you don't have problems we have problems we'll do it together so it's this idea that like in this big in the beginning i'm having this really selfish thought of like i make the money in the house and then when she's dealing with the toughest things she's ever dealt with in her life she's that's my fault she's still taking on some of it because we're together so it's yeah you find out who people are in these tough situations I'm I got a good one

I have a good one I got a good one what is your conversations like with 50 I know 50s 50 is the goat I know he's he loves you as a comedian and I know you you pull up for him he pulls up for you what's your conversation with him when all this is going on I yo I just yeah did he I hit him up or hit me up or We were trying to get him on the pod, and he's like, yeah, I'm pulling up. But, like, he's the type of person that, like, he is, like, how do I explain it? It's like, you know how, like, in wrestling, whether the people are booing or cheering, like, as long as they're making a sound. He's the bad guy.

He's not afraid of anything. There are people that are probably, like, scared to do. Like, credit Charlemagne, too. Like, Charlemagne could have easily been like, hey, the heat is on you, and they're going to be upset at me doing a pie with you every single week. And, yo, let's take a few weeks off. But he's been there before, so he understands. And that's not how I rock with my friends. Like, show stands by me.

So why wouldn't not stand by him? Always, always. But that's just, this is like, this is real ones. So he's the type of person also who, like, he doesn't care what the trend is. So many people are, like, motivated and moved by the trend. And he's the type of person, he don't give a fuck what the trend is. And so if there's, like, negative energy, he don't give a fuck. There's positive.

He don't give a fuck. He moves to the beat of his own drum. But I remember Charlemais said a dope thing to me when, when I was going through that last one and there was like people there's even people in my community like comedians like saying some certain things about me and charlemagne was like yo this is actually good you're going through this right now i go why he goes because you're about to hit another level when the special comes out and you got to pay close attention to who's hating now i go what do you mean he goes uh because whoever's hating now has been hating the whole time absolutely but they they didn't feel comfortable coming out

they're waiting for you to look wounded it's like laws of the jungle you know what i mean like the line only attacks like the baby gazelle you know and and like I took note bro yeah I got I got notes and I can't wait for them to fail that's right the life is out right now on Netflix right now on Netflix it's number two what is it's number two we're number one we can get to number one last night when I watched it was still oh but they said that show was good which I heard it was really good I didn't watch it because I didn't want to mess your numbers up I said I was going to wait thank you But, yeah.

No, I heard running point. Running point is like, it's a global sensation. You know what I mean? It's a, and that's Kate Hudson and Chet Hanks and salute to them. Like, shout out to Chet, man. That motherfucker's so funny. And, but, yeah, we still got to knock them out. But yeah, it was cool.

We beat Bobby De Niro's show. Oh, yeah. God, beauty and black. This has got to be your algorithm. Beauty and Black. Tyler Perry's Beauty and Black. It's creepy and Black came back out? It's number two.

Now he's number three. Oh, fuck. No, no, no, you might be looking at the top 10. You got to look at what I was looking at. That's what I was trending, right? No, top 10 works too. Okay, we're going to have a big weekends. We're still up there.

That's a major thing. Go out there. I'm happy. Go out there watch it this weekend. I'm going to check it out this weekend. Me and the wife going to relax and watch it this weekend. It's the only way to watch it, by the way. If you got a wife, you and your significant other, got to watch it together.

The fact that you guys went through it, I'm really curious your perspective. But that's why we talk about. That's what we're making our business to talk about it in the book. And we part about it all the time. because so many people came up to us and was like, yeah, we were dealing with the same thing. We felt like failures and men came up to me on the side. It was like, I thought it was just me.

I don't know how to console my wife. But, I mean, once you get through that other side, you realize it makes you look at your child a whole lot different. It just is like, it's the most precious thing in the world. And if you're able to have a child, you know, you hold that really, really close to your heart, man. Well, thank you. Yeah, absolutely.

And that's awesome you put in your book. I hope we destigmatize it. Like, I don't want people to feel ashamed of wanting to have a kid and you should have that shit by any means necessary. Like, I feel like, That's the thing missing in the masculinity conversation. There's all these fucking guys out there saying what it is to be a man. None of them got kids.

You know what the thing is? Is this your feminist arc? Say, yeah? Is this going to be your feminist art? I've been a feminist, bro. I'm a proud girl, dad. That's right. I told you having a girl was going to change you.

How is your baby girl? She's 13 months. 13 months. 13 months, yeah. I've been trying to get you on a feminist shit for a while. I've been a feminist. I know. Ever since you got depressed or whatever you got.

Ever since you got anxiety. Jesus Christ. But I'm going to be honest with you, they've gone too far. They've gone, just having this conversation more. They've gone too far. I'm on my feminine, sir. You're in your masculine, sorry.

You're back. You've got to bring them back. It's the little. It's the yin and the yank. You got to. You got to. You're too scared of what? Being a girl dead.

Oh, yeah. Every day is terrifying. But it's also just like the most beautiful, rewarding thing ever. Like she just walks in the room. She's so excited. Gives me like the big hug. And you're just like,

this is, nothing else is important even in life. All right. Well, it's Andrew Shultz, ladies and gentlemen, and don't be a stranger. Just because a little short, five-foot-two midget over here, if you do a podcast, and you can still come up here. Okay, okay, okay, I'll come up. I would love to. Thank you guys.

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