The Breakfast Club - Best of full interview: Clipse Talk New Album, Def Jam Split, Travis Scott Beef, Cousinz Fest, Kdot, Ye, Leaks + More

Episode Date: December 31, 2025

Best of 2025- Artists of the Year - Clipse Talk New Album, Def Jam Split, Travis Scott Beef, Cousinz Fest, Kdot, Ye, Leaks. Recorded 2025.YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BreakfastClubPower1051FMSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Wake that ass up. Earl, in the morning. The Breakfast Club. Morning, everybody. It's DJ NV. Jess Hilarious. Salomey and the guy. We are the breakfast club. We got some special guests in the building.

The legendary. The clips. What's up, fellas? What's up? What's up? Is it the clips or is it just clips? Is it just clips? Okay, because I say the clips too.

No, it's just clips. Okay, cool. You call that shot. He asked a lot. I want to ask you all. So it's just clips. What's the origins of the name for people who don't know? So that came from Fuller Clips.

I came up with it. And at the time, Fat Joe had the Full Eclipse crew. So we just shortened it to clips. Okay. Now, I want to go back, right? Because you guys have been in a long time for a long time. Yeah. for a long time so i want to start from the history of course i know you guys for a long long long

long time so what got you into rapping and to form the group the clips for people that don't know always always been a fan of hip hop like anybody else you know uh my older brother was into the whole cardboard box uh break dancing uh boom box rapping when you had to push play and record and rap directly into the box absolutely and um yeah man just just coming up just coming up under that and we went to Chad's house one time

and Pusha he wrote his first rap and Farrell was like y'all should be a group his first rap was incredible but before that it was just me rapping over there now when you first met Chad and Farrell right?

Yep y'all are totally opposite so how did y'all even meet and even learn each other because growing up in in Norfolk and Virginia like it's totally two different sides. So what made y'all even say, you know what, let's connect with these guys

who were wearing tight shirts at the time and tight pants that looked like skateboarders, they looked nothing like y'all at the time. They might have been serving them. No, they were serving them. So what made y'all say, you know what, let's link with them and start this whole rapping. So, you know, actually, so I was a DJ, DJ Alex, and Virginia Beach lived down the street

from me. And we went out and we rented a drum machine. And we got the drum machine, but we couldn't work it. And, you know, we had to turn it back in soon we had paid for it but you know we was gonna have to turn it back in before we even had chance to use it and he was like you know let's take it to my homie's house and we went over there and it happened to be chad and he knew how to work it and you know that's just stuff that we were doing before clip yeah that's where it started yeah so when did y'all take it serious when did you say you know what this rap thing is something i'm gonna take serious i'm gonna get off the straight to say

this is what it is i'd have to say that was in in me and feral um in me and feral and And, you know, it was Farrell, it was the Teddy Riley coming to Virginia. You know, we began to see that it was a real thing. That music was actually attainable in arms reach. I mean, we're seeing the cars, we're seeing the Ferraris, we're seeing Michael Jackson in Virginia Beach. You know, we're seeing MCs, Hove, everybody was coming down. And then at the same time, we had, you know, Timlin and Missy.

doing their thing they were um you know they had left home and went to jersey and was working with jodice but these are all our childhood you know high school school for us so uh we we got to see it from a lot of different angles that you know music was possible why virginia don't get the like the the the credit for being a hip-hop hotbed or just a black music hotbed not just not just It's not just music. You remember Alan Avison from that area, Michael Vicks from that area. Like, there's so much in that area that people forget about.

I'm just focusing on the music because you got regions and states that get that love, but y'all don't seem to. Well, I think it's because I think a lot of people have, everybody who's made it in Virginia actually had to leave Virginia to make it. I don't think any one particular artist of any of us, None of us broke in Virginia.

So we always broke, like, Clips broke in Philly. You know, everybody broke somewhere else. So I think... Hey, Clips broke in Philly. I never heard that one. Oh, no. Yeah, Clips Broken Philly, man. Really?

Yeah. Shout out Cosmic Kev. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Clips Broken Philly. I didn't know. What record was it?

The funeral or? Grinding. Grinding. Okay. Yeah, grinding broken Philly. Got you. Now, do you remember when Pharrell gave me that beat for grinding? I remember the first time I heard it, it was confusing.

Yeah. It was confusing. I was confused. So when he first gave it, how did you know that was the record? You probably got the CD that I was handing out. Yes, I did. Yeah, I believe you did. You know, when we heard it first, we was like, you know, we were, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, you know, this is our first joining.

And he's like, yo, this's the one. And we like, we want you singing. Like, sing, you better tap or do something. And, you know, he was like, no, I'm telling you, this is the future. This is what it is. And he was right. And it was confusing because we actually wrote to it twice. Three times.

I think I got three joints on that joint. I still can't blend it to this day because I don't know where the beat in the snare go at the same time. You just got to blend on it. You just got to go. That's crazy. That's crazy for you to say that. To this day. I mean, he's not the greatest DJ.

Y'all know that. Envy, Envy up there. Emmy up there. I just love Vegas with Envy. Rocking that. He was smoking that. Thanks, thanks, gentlemen. You know, on the album, Alice,

you said you've been both Mason Bethes. Yeah, man. For people who don't know what that line means expound on it. Yeah, I just feel like I understood and walked a similar path like Mace, you know, to be in this. industry and then to have a real live revelation of God and who he is, you know, and then have to navigate your way. As far as navigating, not so much because I knew that I had to chill,

take a step back. And I also want to give you y'all flowers, too, because y'all were still messing with me during that time. You let me come in here and, you know, promote the documentary and, you know, my solo projects and everything. So, yeah, I appreciate that. But, yeah, I feel like I understand seeing a lot of the same things that Mace seen. I bought that up because, you know, that's... They actually called me Mace in the club.

We was in a club in D.C. And it was like, we got push a T and Macy. And I was like, damn. What? But you haven't been around for a while, though. No, I'm cool with it all. Yeah, I'm cool with it all. I mean, that's why I bought it up

because that's what ultimately caused the clips to, you know, in for that fifth last period of time that's right yeah yeah so what got your back what was the call that said i want to do this again there were a few baby steps um i'm gonna say uh going out to wyoming and uh you know working on use this gospel with yay uh with my brother um i always knew that we could do it um but i just knew i needed a sit down period you know what i'm saying and uh what else did we do we did push his album i pray for you yeah we did the nigo album the nigo album punch bowl yeah so those were things i could ask for that i knew weren't you know just solid nose and um you know i man from there it was just like

what we gonna do well what was the exact moment though because y'all were on two completely different life paths so what was the exact moment that said okay it's time to do another album uh okay so i'll say this you know when when uh we were doing uh They used this gospel and punch bowl and push his album or whatever. I had asked my dad, I was like, you know, what do you think about me rapping again? And he said, he said, son, I think you've been too hard on yourself. And my dad's a deacon, you know, like he was a deacon. So to hear him say that, I am like, word, that's how you feel.

Like, you know. You just answered one of my questions. I was going to ask you about that. Because you talk about that on birds don't sing. Right. And I just thought that was such a powerful thing just to explain, like, you was going through his you know dress and draw seeing his notes but then he y'all had conversations about you rapping again i'm going to ask you what were those conversations yeah yeah we um you know just

everything was uh the way it lined up it told the whole story and it let me know that god is intentional these things don't just be happening to us the way you know we think god is very gracious and he sets you up he knows what you can take he knows how much to put on you he knows the order in which to put, you know, things in for you. So I just know that he's in control all the time. And the conversations with that record, you know, Pusher talking to my mom and me talking to my dad and being able to document those last conversations,

even those conversations was a type of preparation, you know, getting you ready for what was about to take place. So, like, I'm cool with it all. Well, condolence is, first of all. Thank you. You know, I was. Thank you. When I was in Vegas, you know, I was with family members of y'all's.

And what I like to do is pull them to the side of just have conversations. I knew y'all was coming up for an interview. And trying to get tea. Yeah, of course. And one of them was like, now we were talking about the album. This is before I heard the album. And he was like, you know, the best thing about it. He was like, I had their mom in the car.

And he was like, the greatest thing that ever happened is the two boys are back together rapping. So how was that feeling of knowing. And mom was just super-duper happy that her two sons were backwrapping. Man, you know, she, that was always a big thing, you know, for me as a soloist, she would always be like... I want you with him. Yeah. I want your brother with you. I want them back out there with you.

Probably just to, you know, look over me, watch over me. But that was always her thing. She was huge on, like, us just being together. How did y'all know you had to start the album with a dedicated? to your parents like because it was the hardest record to make like it was the hardest record to make so felt that one the most on album yeah so finally like when we crack that code you know we were you know we put in the order and we was like man nah this this this this has to start like this has to start the album um it was it was polarizing um the the response you know just in the creation of it man

And everybody who heard it, you know, and there were people in there, like, you know, we recorded it in the LV headquarters. So it's a room and it's, you know, it's open. The mics are like this. Ain't no booth. You record like this. You look outside. You look through that window right there. And inside a window, it's just an open space.

Somebody with a sewing machine. Somebody with, you know, bag, shoes, whatever. And while we're doing this in real time, everybody's in tears. Like everybody just, you know, they're watching it. By the time we finish it, it's like, you know, just like any other record, it's like, man, you know, we crack the code on it. Like, we were satisfied. But it was just so hard to do. And everybody is always like, you know, everybody wants to put their hardest record first.

And I'm like, nah, man, this is the hardest record. And I want to see how it, like, really touches people, you know, from the jump. And then get into everything else. Did that change you? Because, you know, you talk about on the record of where you were and the things. things that you should have been doing that you weren't doing. Yeah. And then I've seen a shift for a couple of years with you when you had your son.

Yeah. Like everything is about your son. Yeah. And you show up more than anything else. And that wasn't you beforehand. So did that change you? What is my first son? So, you know, this is new to me.

But, you know, I, man, I don't know if it changed me. I would say that my parents prepared me to be a dad. like a real dad because I had a real dad and a real mom were there conversations that you wish you had with your mom like in those moments where you talk about you went to Turks for Thanksgiving and no no like me and my mom was so straight like we've been like we always were straight and I think that the you know the whole the Turks thing went you know and looking out in hindsight you know she was like damn you gonna get out of here you know you know looking at it and

everything I sort of feel like she knows she knew everything you know yeah so um you know it's you know it's it's it was it tells the story you know after you know what I'm saying like the whole story for me like I see it all now yeah I see it all but um at the time no I didn't I think I think it also says a lot for um you know being in harmony with your people yeah really you really should be because that is what gives me a lot of peace knowing that, you know, I was there for my mother, a great relationship with my mother and my father the whole time. So if you're out here and you have like dysfunction or a lot of disdain between family members,

you should really try to fix that. You know what I'm saying? You should really try to fix that if possible because right now with my parents being gone, I get a lot of peace just knowing that everything was strong. and always straight. That's about the only thing. Yeah. How did y'all choose who was going to rap about who?

That was kind of easy. I mean, and even though we were, you know, just all of us, very close-knit and tight-knit, you know, my dad and I, we always talked about things of the Bible, you know, and just whole, even my mom, because my mom was, you know, over the house every Saturday for Bible study. But I don't know.

It just seemed like it kind of made more sense for, you know, me talking about my dad. Will we get a visual for this video? It's already shot. Oh, okay. It's already shot. Look at you. You smiled like, because you already knew. You talked to the family and got the team.

But I did I pull everybody to the side of all. Definitely ask. How difficult is it to rap, honestly, next to your brother? Because y'all, y'all really know each other. So you could be like, yo, you're lying. That ain't happened. Oh, no. we don't have them kind of issues

okay yeah yeah it's cool but you get in the drill but is it ever like maybe that's too much like maybe we shouldn't say that I think I think push it likes

or especially now he likes when I curse you know what I'm trying to encourage me like go all the way there with it you know what I'm saying but nah I mean

the rapping is it's just like second nature to us and we've been doing this for a while just the funnest rapping has ever been I'm gonna be honest with you know This is the funnest rap has been.

Like, this ain't even like, that's not a thing. Like, it's, you know, the rollout and all of that is like the work. This, the music, nah, the music is what it is. Like, the music is here. You feel like you got to, I'm sorry, you feel like you got to prove yourself, though? Nah. I see it with hold, right? People, oh, you're lying.

You ain't really do that. Oh, man. Do you feel like you got to? Bro, I've been in this 23 years. Like, I've been who I've been. 23 years like I don't I don't feel like I got to prove anything to anybody and I feel like I'm the best at what it is I'm doing like I don't think nobody talks like this nobody like it's a lot that comes with this and I feel like you know people give you that the coke rap moniker bro we like

it's so much deeper than that and listen I don't even argue I don't even argue the title no more it's fine it's just you know this right now what we're making is for those who know and for those who understand and for those who are like you know into hip hop into the lifestyle and that i think that's what you're seeing in the whole rollout of this album this this is high taste level everything and it you know and it shows the the heritage of like how and what we've been a part of for all these years you know whether it's you know high fashion whether it's car whether it's streetwear whether you know whatever it is um it's all hip hop Like, this is, we're trying to give the hip hop tutorial of, like, why we loved rappers.

Why, you know, the rappers, you know, I cut my eyebrows, bro. You know? Like, these things I did. Like, I did, you know, and I want people to love us in that way. And I want to show that, like, you know, this is what, this is what hip hop means to us, like, be entrenched. And that's what we're just trying to show. You know, that's funny because that was one of my revelations. with my departure, everything that we were talking about, the things that we had been through,

the things that we were sharing, and then to see how it all came crashing down with friends and family, you know, around us. Yeah, death. Yeah, death, indictments, even to present day, you know what I'm saying, the same people that we were running with, we've lost a few more recently. But my revelation was when I would hear narratives of, you know, they were. weren't into that or they they weren't doing this and that and I'm like I know what we've been through and for anyone to say anything like that for to have such a sacrifice of all these things

going down just for someone to say that which doesn't trouble me at all doesn't bother me you know people have their opinions and can say what they want but to be fighting for that and talking that and then when it happens and then somebody won't say you ain't do that I was like oh man no I'm chilling I'm good I'm good I didn't He had a lot of cocaine rap on this record, though. Was that intentional? Do you think you should? No.

Honestly, not as the Clips Project. Right. Pushers. No, I think, you know what it is? I think it's more reminiscent. Yeah. Point of view, give a little, in the beginning, give a little somethings on.

No. Point of view is about the coaching. I think in the beginning, though, it opens up. That's my favorite of the year. For who? You. Really?

Listen, they tried to scrap that. Candidate for verse of year. I tried to scrap it. I tried to scrap it. They tried to scrap that. I told him, I was like, no, that's it. Why? They tried to scrap it.

He made me keep it. Why did you want to get rid of it? Sixty-eight stars, 7500 club it is, and 20,000 networks. Oh, talk about. Why did you want to scrap it? Because I was actually mimicking guru, like, vocally, and I didn't think I nailed it good enough. And I was just like, man. Yeah, I didn't get guru.

Oh, yeah. Okay, okay. I mean, you know, very monotone, very conversational, very then-da-da-da-da. And it was like, you know, that, I mean, I just didn't. I wasn't sold on the execution. No, that's a verse of the year, Ken. Oh, man, that's crazy. That's crazy.

I agree. Yeah, listen. Thank him. Because it was gone. That's my favorite verse of his up there. Yeah. Hold on real quick. So, Matt, did you tell him, like, I don't want to do too much of the cocaine thing on this?

No, I mean, I think, you know, that's the good thing between my. brother and I, things are understood. You know, he knows why I stand. I know where he stands. I don't try to change him or he don't try to change me. And it's a good playing field where we come together. And it's just real. We don't have to like...

Overcomposing. Yeah, or manufacture anything. It's just what it is. The other day, they said I was glazing the clips, right? Why? Because, oh. He sounds crazy. You know, it was great.

What I said was, I said something to this fact. I said, push has, if he has... If he hears anybody go at him, he has five records on the side of five verses just in case. I said, I just know because I know who he is and what he is. Is that true? No, man. I'm not. I'm not.

I'm not. Listen, man. You know. He said, no, he said, no, he said, no, he looks good. Like the skin, his brain is always fresh. I can not say that. I like, I like, I like, I like, I like, I like skin compliments. I do like skin compliments.

I'm going to tell you. That's what you're saying that other thing. But when it comes to to rappers and sometimes they throw stones that you. Do you have something in the stash for each and every one of them? Man, I mean, I think, you know, just me being a rap artist

and me being an MC is, that's just second nature. And usually, most people who throw stones, man, I mean, nobody's perfect. So, I mean, I can dissect anybody just like they could dissect me. But, you know, man, I try not to I try not to engage too much.

Like, I've done that. Like, I've done a lot of it. You know what I'm saying? I've done it with the best, in the biggest. Like, I've done it. So it's like, you know, you can't just entertain everything. And everybody's not good. Like, everybody's not good.

This is a new day and a new era where, like, you know, just clicks and click bait and people just say things for attention and it's like you just can't entertain everything man you just can't I feel like you've been trying to catch a body since the story I had another

I've been trying to catch a body well you caught one I'm thinking I'm saying what? I don't know that was a body I think those were shots directly at you but you were surgical with You even said at the end.

I'm going to pale back the layers real slow. So I feel like you really wanted to go there with somebody for the longest. Nah, man. Nah, I mean, you know, it's never, man, I got, for real, I have a lot to, to rap about. I got a lot to rap about. I got a lot, a lot of content. The creativity is, is ever flowing. And it don't ever have to be about an individual.

It don't have to be. Like, not for me. Like, I mean, like, I feel like this album is incredible. And I don't think it's really dialed anywhere. You couldn't get an accessory to murder charge, though, because when you listen to Euphoria, there's a lot of, there's a lot of push you in euphoria. There's a lot of things that you laid, you know, you laid down that Kendrick used for

euphoria and I think it's used in the battle pyramid. Man, you know, I think, you know, great, great lyric is just, you know, tune into the obvious. Did y'all ever speak during that battle? Oh, yeah. Oh, y'all did speak during the battle. This is my guy. Accessory.

My guy. Acessory. I knew it. I knew it. I knew it. When do you pick and choose when to say something about something, though? Because you sit on a lot of stuff for a long time. Yeah.

I mean, I'm always like that. Like, I feel like, and that just comes with, that just comes with, like, my position in the game. And, like, just where I am as an artist. It's like, man, I don't, you know, it's not always a radio record that I have. It's not always, you know, we don't get, you know, I'm not putting out music constantly. You know what I'm saying? Every five minutes is a new record. I feel like, you know, things happen.

You got to store it. You got to store. You got to craft it. You got to make it right. You got to set the platform, set the stage. Now break down the- What to hit. The situation with Def Jam.

You guys were on Def Jam. Yes. Decided to leave. Yeah, you crazy, too, man. You can sit up here and tell some Def Jam. You was like, yo, Def Jam, Def Jam don't care about your project. You're crazy.

He's crazy. He kept to go to Colo Jones. It's crazy. So what happened? You're an honest man, man. Yeah, he's not going to do that to her. I was like, I'm not going to do that to her. Like, if you're not up here to talk about your music,

what are we going to be talking about? Right. And I actually left that day because they didn't sit down, but he still wanted to do it. I was pushing for her because I love Coco. Yeah, yeah, it would be being honest, though, because listening to the project now and knowing with the background with y'all and DevJam, you, I don't understand why they would let a project like this go. Well, listen. So what was the call?

When you handed in the album and they called and said, we can't put this out, we can't clear this record, what was that call like? I mean, it was, you know what? It was something that I wasn't really dealing with firsthand. They were, like, speaking to my management and my team and just like, you know, then it got a little dicey to where to the point they weren't, they wouldn't text or email. send these things in email they would they would like only talk on the phone and you know they would instruct not to email us back and forth these you know that type of correspondence so um i mean man you know it's i don't know like i don't i don't know why i mean i can only assume that it was just the optics with everything they got going on with litigation lawsuits and all that the optics of

clips, Kendrick, together because that's when it all happened. Like, we don't, we don't, we don't really deal with the label that much anyway. Outside of nothing, actually, yeah, we don't deal with the label. Like, we go make our album, and then we come and bring the album back.

But y'all, you and Kendrick have worked together before. Y'all got a classic together if you asked me, no nostalgia. So, yeah, what's the different? Oh, it's a different day. It wasn't, you know, that was back then. But y'all wasn't even shooting that dude. It doesn't matter.

That's crazy. Yeah. So when you wanted to leave, you call Holvin, and then the first rumor was they just let you go for free. We was like, that can't be true. No, no, no, no. No, he had to pay. He had to pay. So you reached out to Holve and Hove said absolutely positive.

Well, what was that? Stephen did. Shout to Stephen. Yeah, Stephen. Stephen reached out to him. There were other labels in the bidding. And he just called Hobb, like, yo, I think there was an approval process between one of the labels or something. took a little long and um he went and asked hove and hove was like look yeah let's do this now

like 24 hours maybe maybe 48 hours i never seen lawyer work like this that fast yeah i didn't know it even happened like that and what record was all supposed to be on on this project shit man they would i mean we got he was sent chains and whips uh uh he was mike tyson mike tyson blow to the face you know hove had the album so you know so be it yeah it was it was all for him to whatever he wanted to do oh he supposed to be on so be it yeah yeah that was one of the options yeah yeah and nothing moved his spirit hey man I don't know man I don't know man you know you know on POV malice you said that you came back for the money

you got the devil can you explain me yeah I mean I just thought it was a real fly line you know um and for anyone who has any questions about me i'm jesus inside out like i'm all the way gone with it like it it's crazy but uh i just took some um artistic liberty you know with that line and really to me you know money is a good thing you need money especially to you know You got friends and family to be able to help people. It's nothing wrong with money. I think people put a stigma on money. The Bible says that it is the love of money that's the root of all evil, not the money.

It's how much you love it. What are you willing to do for it? What won't you do for? Do you lose all your principles and your moral? So I don't think we can demonize money, but for me, it was just a fly line. And you said you gave the money to the church, right? I'm investigative journalist Melissa Jeltson. My new podcast, What Happened in Nashville, tells the story of an IVF clinic's catastrophic collapse

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. The line is fresh. Yeah, yeah, yeah. came back for the money that's the devil in me had to hide it from the church that's the jekyll in me but I'm just talking about the duplicity and the dichotomy of you know the mind and how people think and the two-sidedness to people sometimes that's everybody absolutely yeah that's everybody now you mentioned you things earlier right yeah when mace came back they was on his ass right because of the lyrics because of this type of records that

he was on but with you they don't do that with you why do you think that is uh i don't i don't know but but i'm gonna tell you for me uh and and looking at mace now like i i get mace like i understand people are judgmental you know what i'm saying um i've heard a few things about me you know um i'm not going to act like i haven't seen anything uh but you you have to know be solid in who you are and if you have the word in you the Bible says that there is none righteous

no not one so nobody can like truly point the finger but you better have your heart positioned in Jesus Christ by the end of the day because when the music stop you definitely want to have a seat. He taught me that at it because I didn't know he told me that God's

God think we all dirty that's what he told me How do your conversations be with it? Like, do you talk to your brother about forgiveness or that your brother be like, leave me alone? No. You know what? Listen, I'm going to tell you, like, my brother listens to me, you know, now.

Or he has the appearance of listening. Yeah, he hears me. He hears me. And anytime I get to witness to anybody, you know, without being preachy or forcing myself, you know what I'm saying? I the problem is for me is that I happen to know how serious this is and the thing about not knowing is that you don't know that you don't know you know you know what I'm saying so when you're trying to when people open the door and are willing to listen I just I try to

do whatever it is I can but my brother he's been incredibly supportive of me even in my stepping away he's never you know was like yo what are you doing or this like he basically just said okay you know he asked me was i sure you know and and that meant a lot to me because i i had i had a lot it was like a heavy weight so to have the support of my brother even through the whole uh hiatus he would come to me he was like yo so-and-so's offering this amount of money but but what he did but but what he would do was he said i already told them no but i didn't want this to happen without me letting you know, just in case.

You know what I'm saying? So, that's what that's what I said no. I said no, but just in case. Right, right. Yeah.

Well, you know, I felt supported, so that's all that matters. We all feel robbed when people never feel robbed. Okay. Never feel robbed. How do you feel when people leak music?

Like, when people release your music prematurely. Yo, you know, the game goes how it goes. And that's how we maneuver. navigate everything. I'm not going to sit up and be upset about anything, you know, that happens. When we get in there and we create and we make our music and we do what we do, what else you're going to do? What else can you do other than that? You know what I'm saying? And I stand on our product and I love it. And it's good for fans to get things sometimes. So it's

cool. Like, as long as they enjoy it, it's good. Did y'all ever think about trying to get another Kendrick verse once that leaked before the album actually dropped? Man, we try to all Kendrick versus why not well y'all kind of leaked y'all knew playing that song in Paris when everybody's phone out

it was going y'all had to know that yeah you know this is part of it you know envy said something about what you asked

about malice about why you don't get the flag I think one reason is because y'all always had like a spiritual thread in your music especially with the album title so how was your personal

understanding of good and evil evolved since like hell have no fear good and evil how has it evolved how has your personal understanding of it evolved when you even talking about rap like you know people some people say rap music is secular it's the devil you shouldn't do it but then you know you went on your journey and you you were doing it even while you were on your journey but now you're back like yeah i think i think um one of the things that i have learned is uh start with yourself before you try to correct anybody man i'm not even saying you should try and correct anybody but you start with yourself um and and looking within

and change the things that you can change and work on which you you need to work on um and then you can like offer some kind of advice or if if people are even interested you know what i'm saying be able to to give a reason for the hope that you have and um yeah i i think if more of us looked at ourselves and instead of trying to judge other people I mean, because, you know, you look deep enough, you'll find something all the time, you know, so. I'm back to what you said about when you went to Wyoming to do, use this gospel. By the way, the hardest song on that album. How do y'all feel about Kanye now?

Do you feel sadness or sympathy for him? Do you all see him now? No. No. Talk to your brother. No, no, no. No, no. All I'm going to say, and I'm going to say that I think this goes for anybody.

It's crazy. When you have a true revelation of God, it is radical. Because when the scales fall off your eyes, you do. You want to run and tell everybody what you witness. Oh, yo, we've been missing it this whole time. You know, it's how I felt. But once you get that, you got to sit down. for a minute. You can't get the revelation and then try to keep going in this world. The epitome of the

gospel is denying yourself. That's why Christ got on the cross and gave up his flesh. So you have to be willing to give it up so you can learn and then let God restore you and rebuild you, you know, correctly. Doesn't mean anybody is a perfect person. You know what I'm saying? Or you can't even try to have the facade of okay i'm saved now now i'm perfect nah it just it just doesn't work like that so how do you deal with it push because deal with con yeah because you know you're not a type of person to hold your your tongue you know you don't hold your word so when some of the stuff that he did that might not a line what you you thought did y'all have those conversations well i mean you know i spoke on it i feel like that's that was the beginning of our fallout but um you know um he sits

on a lot of miscarriages of justice. I've seen it. You know what I'm saying? I hear things and things being said. And I see, you know, his reserve. You know, I admire his restraint. People, by the time he jumps out the window, you think he's going overboard.

But I'm telling you, as knowing my brother, he sits on a lot. And what about all that music? I'm sure you've got tons of music, but we never hear the stuff that you've done that is produced or? Yeah, you will, because they leak it all. They leak it all.

They put out. Or just sloppy. You know, I don't, you know, I don't know. I don't use, I don't even keep it. But, you know, you've seen and heard the things that have been out there. But, um. I saw you say you hate Kanye's leadership and you got away from that, because of that community daddy built because of the feeling over there.

Right. What was that like last straw of like, nah, I can't no more? I think for me it was, I think for me it was somewhere around, somewhere around the Atlanta, the dome, the locked in, when everybody was locked in the dome. And, you know, I, you know, like, again, man, when we squad and we, when we work in and we doing what we doing, it's just all about the squad. and I kind of just felt like you know I would you know I would have to leave and go do things shows whatever the case maybe I would come back

and the energy would just be different you know there were conversations being had you know this is this is after Adidon and everything else and you know it was like man I was doing self-serving things and it was just crazy it was just a lot of like you know backbiting and things like that and I'm like

damn this is this is for the squad I thought But, you know, it ended up not being in publicly negative about you. We heard him say about Sean. We heard him say about John Legend-Jay. Oh, no, for sure he has. For sure he has. Remember he put on a little mask?

He was like he's screaming in a mask. Define what is culturally inappropriate. Oh, man. Yeah, no, listen, man. Okay, so during just the sessions, whether it was a beat, whether it was, you know, just the freestyles before and making the songs, whatever the case may be, you know, we would get hype about just like, man, it's hard or whatever it was at the time.

And I forgot who said it, but someone was Mike. Mike was like, man, this shit is culturally in a fucking appropriate. And Mike also worked on It's Almost Dry. So you know how that had a common thread of like the Joker laugh through the whole album. he was like yo say that on the mic and let me run that through a filter because you know we just felt like we just kept running that back it's culturally inappropriate he was like say it through a filter let's find a voice and let's just see how it sounds on records and it actually just worked just to have that you know just another thread to keep it you know cohesive keep the album

cohesive i mean i like it just because it's something that i feel like we should say yeah something is culturally inappropriate yeah it could have been a line what i'm saying is it could have been a line it could have been a song it could have been a hook idea at the time i just you know i just can't remember what it was but that's that's where that term came from something that was just said ignorantly and what pissed you off about travis got so much that you had to mention him in a rack like what what made you say this is this is going too far ah man it was just you know it was just that uh that whole coming to uh come into paris you know he came to paris during one of our sessions

you know played his album and then he you know when he left the album comes out and you know the record that he played you know

had a verse up there it was you know going at P whatever the case may be and I'm like damn you just left like how you how you leave here

you know let he was on your album and then you're letting them you know play your album for him you're filming it and then you come back when the album drops

you got a verse you know going at him so I just thought that was corny and again like you know that's part of the uh i think that's part of just trying to leave all of that behind and it's like man it's like that's the type of thing that happens over in that yay world and it's okay and they you know it's all right they just will brush it off and they be friends and they go hang out together and then

you know do whatever they do like that that doesn't i didn't i didn't like that was brought into this fold yeah one time they said the verse the drake first wasn't done as a yet doesn't matter when it was done i don't care when it was done you you you you you added to it you actually he actually had a verse after that verse so you you even added to the verse like yeah so what's proper etiquette for a situation like that just stay the hell away from me like i'm not i'm not into you anyway like i'm not even into your swag or none of that like it's not into none of it so just stay away like i only want to mess with the real like i'm only dealing with the real i'm only you know doing music with the real we just i just let's just let's just this is like

just drawing a line in the sand for everybody. But are you responsible for what an artist does on your record? Are you responsible for what the artist does on your record? Is Travis responsible for Drake's line? If you come and dance around

in front of me and use footage and do all this and all that, I think you're responsible for anything that you do, that you incorporate the people that, you know, that are, that are, that are, that are being, you know, talked about. Of course. I can't believe you have to explain this.

You know what happened. I'm just asking, I know that's your brother, and I'm sure. No, and I'm not just taking sides to all because my brother, I'm just saying, you know, like. But I'm talking about the artists who might approach you because of what pushes it. I mean, listen, I ride with my brother. You know what I'm saying? And that's the thing about this, having purpose. I know what my purpose is

I'm making music with my brother and I'm glorifying my God that's what I'm doing and when you're in your purpose if anything fall on you then it fall on you at least you know you were where you were supposed to be and that's why I'm at right now

so I'm cool with whatever you're in envy so when people approach you for things I say you only approach me because you don't go out that's it all the time but also also be as you said you got a video of Travis crying

No, man He said he got a video He said he cried in front of me Yeah He said I got the video Oh no no no That wasn't That's not about crying

But what's on the video Oh man You know Yo chill Yeah You know God damn You said you're on TMG

We got You're just in case You know You're looking I got you I got you I'm glad Malice is here

Because Push you probably can't do interviews by itself Uh-uh Definitely not. Now, Tyler, the creator. How did you and Tyler create? Oh, man.

He gets busy, by the way. Yeah, hell yeah. Right. Tyler's crazy. Man, Tyler Ben, we, I mean, since trouble on my mind, he's huge Star Trek, Neptune, Pharrell, Clips, fan. Like, he knows the discography, you know, frontwards and backwards. He's spoken a lot about how his influence. he's been influenced by things that we've done but yeah I mean trouble I don't even

remember the year trouble of my mind came out but since then we've always been always been cool always been tight and yeah he came through on PLV he came through now he got busy yeah he killed it how do you reconcile and nostalgia fans will feel for the old clips being that y'all totally different men today I'd like to think that they groan with us yeah yeah yeah Yeah, I'd like to think that they have. And I think that, you know, I think that they've grown with us, and I feel like our growth is something that, you know,

needs to be studied and studied in just, you know, maturing in hip-hop, maturing in hip-hop and just culturally, just showing you how to navigate and grow in this game and still be current and still be, you know, of the men. and you know just just not trying to stay 19 forever yeah like yeah when the last time you felt this safe push because i'm i can hear it in the music it feel like a homecoming right yeah even with the thing that you're talking about you got malice back i have liva's on the album yeah feral production yeah when i'm watching you in interviews i'm like damn push is just letting it fly all

of it yeah when did you when what made you feel so safe in this moment um i don't you know i just think that um i don't know for me i i look at it like media has always been a big part of the clips because it's always been a story the clips always has a story um and i don't necessarily think you can get up here and lie and play people see through that and i'm not one to be seen through like i don't like i'd rather just you know just tell the truth and call it today versus um you know sitting here trying to tap dance around things so um i you know i don't know i think that um it's not about feeling safe it's just about you know this is this is part of the game and this is part of the game for us um and i feel like when you got the music to back it up man you got to listen you got to

you got to be you got to be but you don't enjoy rap was line i think it was malice on the album said uh that was one of my favorite i wanted to say that yeah you've been entertained by rappers you never believed or something like i didn't sung along with rappers i never believed i wish i said that i wish i said that that's one that's i wish i could have said the mace line and i wish

i said that line those are my two takes how often is that happening for you i was going to say do y'all do that all the time like is it if you two if you two switch verses on like a classic clip song like he can give me his verse they're saying i'm o and two right now what y'all talking about that is the debate online i'm oh in two damn i'm owing two oh just off features no off the records i'm o'n two right now

two records and people heard yeah yeah they don't never be like yo bro you can have this question no no do you try to spank your brother every time you rap with him i'm sure no man i just i just do me man And I think our personalities and experience lends itself to, you know, just different scenarios or whatever. Different bases. I can't do what push does. You know what I'm saying? I get that. And all I can do is be me.

But you've never heard a push line and be like, damn, I wish I said that. All the time. Yeah. All the time, yeah. I was going to ask, at the listening that we went to, y'all talked about, y'all didn't have a ton of music. y'all are very particular about recording and this is the music we're going to do and you've always been that way

but it's been so long so how did you know what you wanted to say like how did you narrow it down to narrative I think I think the key the key thing that we were trying to find in the studio was urgency

urgency was like the key word that regardless to what it was it could be birds don't sing it had to be urgent it had to tug at your heart you know if you listen to pov the flow had to be something of you know or the bars had to be something of urgency so it wasn't about um it wasn't about honestly finding words or topics to rap about it was just that the music needed to feel urgent the whole time i think that was our i think that was our uh our biggest goal just to make sure that that

that sense of urgency was there talk about what virginia means to you you guys because you get a lot of people that leave their city and they move to New York, they move to Jersey, they moved to Atlanta, they moved to the west. You guys have never left Virginia. So what does Virginia mean to you? For me, Virginia is everything. Childhood, upbringing, where my mother, grandmother, and great-grandmother hail from, friends. You know, we were just talking about this we have the same friends from you know way back and um just uh certain ethics and standards of loyalty you know that has been bred in in virginia uh i absolutely love virginia i wouldn't want to move anywhere else um it's it's my pace it's my stylist it's what i know it's home

yeah yeah i think um i think virginia you know for me um and the fact of like never moving i always felt like my my music would suffer the writing would suffer i've always felt like that um i don't um it's the comfort the comfort of being there and i think that it gives a different perspective i feel like the clips damn the clips clips yeah i feel like clips yeah i feel like clips I feel like clips Is different because of Virginia I feel like the music that we And the influences that we've been afforded

By living in Virginia A military town There were things I never knew about Musically or would have never Ran across If we weren't in Virginia And you know The flavor for use

The mixtape shops and you know I was exposed to the bass sound I was exposed to Houston because of this town and it was only because it was such a military town that all these different influences came there

musically even I mean even the the late early 80s late 80s the whole drug culture that the New York to Virginia pipeline

that brought so much music so much influence it brought so much um man you you know man if you just think about if you just if you just if you just yeah if you just if you just think about though like the 90s it was it was mace it was big it was wutang it was everybody rapping about virginia beach yeah like you know um just to to know like it was and it was such it was so impressionable um i think that that that that that gave us a lot of uh fuel a lot of information and a lot of different things to take from to create what the clips are today when you met your wife i'm sorry when you met your wife yes do you know she was the one as soon as she

said her name no no not not from virginia oh wow that is wow that is wow that was crazy though but yeah but she from there too yeah yeah for sure so do y'all do y'all like go out in virginia y'all move around the deal. Totally. Totally. Totally. Totally. Because a lot of rappers have, I'm sorry, a lot of rappers, like, have to leave their city because of that, you know, with love comes to hate, the bigger you get. Nah, you know, up at the office, they were just talking about what they hear about us at home and how we're out, you know, every time I'm in a grocery store, you know, I'm taking a picture by the peanut butter that I don't want to take. I mean, I do, you know, with the people, but just, you know, they catch me anywhere. And they said, I'm out there. and weddings and people see me at the gas station like you know we go out yeah we definitely go out and it feels good to be able to you know what I'm saying Virginia don't be tripping Virginia's cool yeah yeah y'all are like that almost not everywhere but like I saw there was a video you in

Miami push and the guy walked up I'm like where is all the people with him like you just walking around I was mad about that one yeah I mean I listen he was joking what was security you was by one other I was mad about that one yeah I had to um man I was I was going to get uh I was going to get a Mother's Day gift, I think. And, you know, it's outside, man. And you just walked up on you. Yeah, but, you know. And you all laid back and chill and shit.

It got to be. I mean, you know. You know somebody got a gun. Listen, man. He was so chill. Nobody had a gun. Right. Let's leave it there.

What is the skin regimen? Because Brother Push, I'm sitting here looking at inside of your ear. And it looks. You know, I've never seen the inside of somebody's ear, look, so smooth like that. Like, what are you two males, you're going to be able to glance air too? I appreciate it. What did y'all do? Is it the diet?

Is it like, what is it? I think, I think it's working out. I don't know if it's, no, no, I'm saying, is it the diet, is it their diet? Oh, diet. No, that's you. You're projected. I'm saying. Is it your diet?

Is it like, what is it? I think, I think, you know, we work out every day, you know, and we enjoy that. I think that's fine, watching what you eat. You know, I think we are the first generation in our family, you know, reading labels and calorie counts and proteins and stuff like that. So maybe that's what it is. I don't know. That skin is crazy.

Appreciate it. Thank you. For real, I produce every song? Hold on. Your skin, too. Yeah. All right. For sure, for sure.

All right, all right, all right. So he produced every song. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. I feel like he took like a more, when he produces for y'all, it's more like a minimalist approach.

I think. It's a direct approach. Yeah. I think it's, it's, I think it has a lot to do with our vocals being instruments. And treating it, treating the vocal like a real instrument, like, you know, versus like overproducing.

there's so much there's so much that's centered around the word you know what I'm saying when it comes to us that you have to let that breathe and I think he takes that that direction how does that change your well how did that challenge your pin

or delivery oh everything is about the raps anyway it's always been about the raps but I don't got a production bone in my body so I ain't never going to be able to lean on it but so much you know I think I think that I think there's a standard

that just comes with the writing he just knows that it sounds best minimal with us cutting through yeah so when a beat changes on a record like with the record that nods does do you ever say that's why it was him that's why he was on it he he he asked for two eights bro was like yo i got this change give us two eights when we heard the beat we was like oh that's for nods i mean and just you know just knowing like you just know that that no that that that is that he was in a a queen's bag of whatever that was, whatever was inspiring him at the time,

I was like, man, that was, that was for homie. I know DJ Clue's involved too, right? Yeah, yeah. Talk about his involvement in the project. Again, man, Clue was, uh, he wasn't. What happened was, you know, just, again, making the records, going through the records, uh, we actually stole Clues drops from like just off of,

old mixtapes. Oh, old mixtapes because we just felt that it, It fit. And, you know, when he heard it, he was like, no, I got to read duties. They don't belong. There ain't need to belong in. Book the studio.

Book the studio. And he had to, he reconfigured everything he did and did it live. But it was just some of those records kind of sparked that nostalgia. And, you know, when we're in the moment, you know, whether it's a, and Farrell, you know, you hear Farrell singing a hook or, you know, we wanted, the hook that he's not going to stay on we got to kind of finish it just to see what it feels like so we stole the drops

and once Clue heard it he you know did it properly yeah talk about the Cousins Festival you got going on in Virginia oh man Cousins Festival Cousins Festival is August 30th it is the best time it's Labor Day

weekend and it is it's an indoor and outdoor festival you know outdoor you have a Cousin's festival stage it's like all the DJs you got backyard band you got man you know

food trucks it's food trucks it's it's clue is it's envy it's a DJ Booth yes you y'all got chess yeah we need Jess there and then on the inside we have as the as the day goes on

we have inside we have a show and that's going to be GZ T-P Payne, Little Kim. And it's like, it is the best one-day festival time of Labor Day weekend in Virginia. Why don't you perform at the festival, though? Because this is the second annual, right? Yeah, this is the second one.

So why don't you perform at your festival? Well, actually, we have a show already booked, so we ruined it. You book the show of his festival. No, not the day of, not the day of. but you know it just it just didn't make sense and you know this is this is really about um we take real pose like yo who y'all want to see you know we just last year they did erika badoo yeah last year was ericabadu larry june lion babe um hosted DJs uh germane you know and um this year you know this year we stepped it up a notch the show you got already booked is at the tour y'all going on earth game

yes sorry about that yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah i know i know i know i mean i didn't can say it. No, Kevin was mad. We're going to have, like, a logistical we mad because y'all had other plans. It's all good, man. It's all good. I mean, you know, I'm glad. I'm glad that we're going out there with Earth Game. Those guys are awesome. And I feel like the shows are going to be incredible. Like, what, 25 dates? 25 dates. You know, Earth game went to Hampton for a little bit? You know that, right? I didn't know that. Oh, wow. Crazy. couple more questions man malice how is your journey as a pastor your spiritual journey why does everybody

call me a pastor you're gonna be no i'm not i could i could be a pastor yeah i'm not a pastor well your spiritual journey how is that helping you navigate this current climbing to hip-hop but also this current journey to clips from um it helps me with my journey through life uh with everything I feel like I actually don't know how you can do it without God, anything. Let all things be done decently and in order. And no matter what you're doing, you need to have the Word of God with you. Even if it's only to help you in understanding things around you that you can't change, you know, to have peace and peace with yourself. So it's everything to me

God is everything to me First and foremost And that's not cliche Like I need Jesus like I need water and food It's a fact Yeah What's the song on the new album You think people are going to completely misinterpret

I don't know I don't care You know what I'm saying I don't I don't know It could be the whole album I don't know Yeah Let's get into the join off the album What y'all want to hear Not the two joints I've been playing

FICO Yeah let's get into that You got to send that to me please sir Clean He said I didn't need to Friday Or do birds on sing I like birds on sing Yeah

Do birds on sing For sure That's powerful Well I appreciate you brothers for joining us Man thanks for having us Thank you thank you very much Appreciate it But are we gonna have to wait another 15 years

Or is you know Nah nah nah I don't think so Okay Yeah. Now, Allison said, I don't know, I don't know. Y'all are just so happy. I don't have seen y'all together.

I know. I see God. That's why when I said the safe space thing, I can really see that. I can see how this is like a divine protection of y'all together. Wow. For sure. You have an individual. But when y'all together, you can really see it.

I'm with that. I'm with that. I feel that. I see that. Yeah. And this is just a childhood question. How many people still think y'all are twins? Everybody.

Okay. All right. Because I don't feel that dumb. You know, growing up, I was like, they are twins. I will argue people down. Really? Because they was right from down the street. I'm from Baltimore. You know, they're right there. But I got family of Virginia. And I was even telling the

Virginians, yo, they're twins. They're like, no, they not. So, my big. Okay. But people do say that. It wasn't only knew. Everybody. Exactly. Well, let's get into the record. What last thing? Is there ever a problem you say, like, I'm not going there with Pushing? Like, if Push is going to a spot, a strip club to host,

or he's going to the strip club, like, that's, I'm not doing that. Yo, everybody keeps putting you in the strip club for some movies. Every interview they're putting him in the ship of... I usually don't. I mean, I'm a book, but... Yeah, man. Work is work. Work is work.

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