The Breakfast Club - Best of Full Interview: Jermaine Dupri Talks 'Magic City: An American Fantasy,' New Album, Billboard, Mariah Carey + More
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Hold on.
Every day I wake up.
Wake your ass up.
The Breakfast Club.
You're all finished or y'all is done.
Morning, everybody.
It's DJ Envy.
Jess Salaris, Shalameen the Guy.
We are the Breakfast Club.
We got a special guest in the first.
building. Yes, indeed. J.D. Jemaine Dupre. What's happening? How you feeling? He's looking
at the wall. I'm looking at the wall. We ain't got J.D. on the wall? I don't know. Yeah, I don't think,
I don't think I made the wall. That's all right. That ain't we got J.D. on the wall. Yeah,
y'all ain't got me up there. See, the wall represents, like, iconic breakfast club moments. Not
that you haven't given us great interviews. I haven't had it. You know what I'm saying? You have
had some, you know.
You never stormed out the studio.
You never slats on the main threatening.
Yeah, I don't have nothing to do.
You never throw a chair.
Yeah, I'm out of that.
I'm not in that conversation.
But you have always coming in and giving us great conversation, man.
And I've been enjoying the Magic City docu-series.
Thank you.
And it got me to thinking about, like, just Atlanta.
Like, in Atlanta's had a lot of different runs as far as music is concerned.
But what is Atlanta culture exactly?
is it this is it the script clubs yeah 100% um that that that's one of the things skating um you know um
and i you know i think like it's a bunch of different things like the bass music and a bunch
of different things but we haven't we've never really highlighted these things the way i guess
i'm trying to do and make sure that people understand that that's what it is because i think
like people think like even with the strip club situation it was me and whoever else was promoting
this from a long time ago just black people trying to promote strip clubs and you learn from
the documentary that this this was a law that was passed in the city and might be more states
in the south that nudity was something that they opened the floodgates and made it a business right
So even me growing up, I never realized why it was so many strip clubs in Atlanta.
It was a strip club damn, you know, every corner in every hood in Atlanta.
And I never understood.
I just thought we was just a strip club place.
But when you look at this documentary, you start going outside and looking at all the other places, like in Florida and all these other places.
You're like, oh, it's a law that was passed, right?
And I used to come to, like, New York, when we used to do things in wherever I go to other cities and be like, man, why these cities ain't popping like Atlanta?
with the strip clubs and the law
is a real law that gave
us the entryway to
just have this going so yeah that's
an Atlanta thing
you know is Magic City the
biggest strip club and the most recognized strip club
in the U.S. to you?
What's your thoughts on it? No I think
I mean I think it's been
it's been a couple
you know over the years I think Magic is
in the top three of course
but like booby-trapping
Miami
King of Diamond.
I mean, you know, Miami's always had, you know what I mean,
they've always had these trip clubs.
Turnover, yeah.
And I think, V-Live.
V-Live, I think that's Houston, right?
Yeah.
So I think Houston, there's a couple of places that's got,
but I don't think Houston can get naked, though.
That's the thing.
It's like, we're talking about nudity as far as strip clubs.
It's Miami and Miami and Atlanta.
But, yeah, Atlanta was nudity, nudity, newtity.
Yeah.
So what made you want to do?
Atlanta need that infrastructure now.
When I think about Magic City,
I know people look at it as just a titty ball,
but when I'm watching the DACA, even just growing up,
I think of it as infrastructure.
This is a place where people went to break record.
That's the thing.
Like, I was going to answer your question.
The reason why I wanted to do it is because, you know,
we don't talk about the places that actually helped us get to where we are.
You know what I mean?
That part of hip-hop stopped a long time ago.
Like, when you watch like Wild Style, right,
when there's a person that's not from New York,
I watched Wild Style.
You can see how Grandmaster Kasdom,
what they was doing to become
and what made hip hop turn into what it was here in New York.
And in the later years of hip hop,
what shows or anything show kids
how we got,
you know what I mean, how we got to where we are.
And I think that, you know,
it's important for black establishments to show.
Like, it's a 40-year-old black
establishment. The owner
went to jail. They tried to sell
his property. He took it back
over, and now it's back popping. And now
he got a TV show. Like, that's an
American dream. You know what I mean?
Like, regardless of whatever good
or bad, it's a black American dream
that we don't ever really be talking about.
Does Atlanta need that infrastructure now?
Huh? Is it needed now?
Yeah, 100%. I mean, we need it more than any.
Everybody, I mean, not just Atlanta. Like, a bunch of
cities need to... It's probably a bunch of other
cities that's got, like, 40 to 50 years.
black establishments that I don't even know about.
Well, you think ruined strip clubs?
Because at one time, there was a strip club in every city.
They were always big.
There was 15 in Atlanta.
They was 10 in New York.
What do you think ruined the strip club?
Safety.
Right?
I think that's why magic stands out so much because you can go in magic with all your jury on.
You can go in magic and be the biggest star in the world
and be standing next to the biggest criminal in the world.
But whatever would happen somewhere else,
ain't getting ready happen in Magic.
And, you know, I mean, and I say that proudly because even me, I go to Magic without security.
Like, because the security in there going to take care of me like they, like if they was working for me.
And I feel like it's the safest club in Atlanta.
So I feel like that, I feel like the safety of strip clubs and how Magic ran the club,
um, strip club etiquette, I think that is that that's what killed strip clubs for the most part.
Now also, I noticed, you know, growing up when we used to go to strip clubs, you go with a couple dollars, right?
And you would be fine all night.
That's totally changed.
No, no, that's not.
That's just your mental.
Okay.
Right?
That's just people's mental space, right?
Because I go to a club now, and, you know, I don't, if the, if Magic City is, like, overly crowded, I'll go stand by the bar, and I might spend $500 to $1,000, you know.
And, by the way.
Jaddy, that's a lot of money
I was talking about $100,000 at the bar.
I'm just saying, let me put this in perspective.
Everybody said what's happened.
The other night when Chris Brownham was in Atlanta,
they spent $200,000 in Magic City.
So my little $500 to $1,000 over there in that corner
is like $100, man.
Look at his face.
Because I hear when people say those numbers
and I'm like, I don't believe that.
No, I swear to God.
But I've been, I mean, $200,000?
On God.
A hundred went to Chris, right?
I've seen people order 100,000 singles.
Yeah, I mean, 100 went to Chris without a doubt.
And magic, in magic, they go, when you order the money,
they bring a Magic City bag upstairs for you, backpack.
I got one of the house.
So the backpack had a hundred in it.
Jada waiter, y'all know Jada.
She got about a dove, right?
I think, maybe more.
P from QC
I think he ordered 40
Right in the end
That's 160 right there
You know what I'm saying
Chris by himself at 100
That's what I'm saying
So if you start splitting it up
I think Bow Wow probably got 10
Or 15, 20
You were at 200 fast
So when you was in the back of the day
With BMF
How much did you see them spend that one?
On my album
I have a conversation with Meach
And he says he spent $600,000 one night
That's insanity
That's crazy
What's the most you spent?
And now you were in there with Janet.
What did you spend?
I mean, I had a limit.
Like when everybody heard me say I spent $10,000, that was my limit.
So once I got to that 10, I wasn't trying.
But by the way, I'm not in there trying to compete.
I always felt like, you know, at one point in time when BMF came or when BMF grew,
because I've been in the club with Meach for a long time before BMF was a crew like that.
And we used to be at the gentleman's club back in when you watched it,
the episode where Magic supposedly was burnt down or whatever
and everybody went to the gentleman's club
that's back in the period of time when I actually met Meach
and Meach didn't have the crew of people with him
and we was in the gentleman's club and in the gentleman's club
it wasn't about it wasn't like what he's saying we weren't really throwing the money
we was just like giving the girls the money right and that's
that's where I that's where the whole confusion about who started
throwing the money came from because I started doing this in money and a thing video and
I know people want to say they did it and did it will you find a video that came out before
money in a thing where you see rappers throwing money like this right and that I never had a like
it wasn't about me trying to challenge nobody it got to it got to be like when each of them
crew came and it was like oh damn they throwing more money we got to throw it became like a money
war I was never I was never part of that I was thinking about you too man watching
the documentary because especially you think about everything
that's going on in Atlanta now
did you purpose because you was outside
you was outside connected with everybody
did you purposely stay away from rappers that were
too in the street? No
I just I'm not I'm not a street guy
like that I mean I'm like I'm a real hip hop
person right a purist basically
right and I don't believe that you should be
rapping about shit
that you don't actually do
right I've been that guy right if you ain't
in the jury and you ain't did it in
don't talk about it. If you ain't fly, you don't be
getting, then don't be making raps
about it, right? And
I never had no reason to talk about
me selling no dope. That
just ain't been my life, right? I ain't come
up like that. What about signing
an artist then? I have signed artists like
that. I mean, Brad smoked more weed than
damn this new dog. But
you know what I mean? It wasn't like
it wasn't from a drug dealer
perspective. It's from an actual stoner
perspective, right? I just think the
perspective of how we, I
never was trying to sell like I said selling selling drugs but I mean you know all the artists I
think damn they're talking about I mean the franchise boys you know I mean white tea is about
dope boys like every all of that all the music I just think it's it's also camouflaged in
beats that make you want to dance where you're not paying attention to it it's not this dark
I'm a cue you type of music you know that was the other thing about Magic City too why are
script clubs why are you able to break records in script clubs but not like in the regular club
In the regular club, you've got to play the records
that keep the party going.
But in the script club, you can try a new shit.
Why is it?
Because in any lounge setting, music is just played, right?
It's just like almost like getting on the elevator.
When you get on the elevator, you don't care what the music is.
They're playing all kinds of music in the elevator.
Especially when you go to like the Vegas, you hear all kind of stuff.
And you're like, you might listen, you might not.
You're having a conversation.
It's the same way.
It's ultimately it's for a DJ to pay attention.
If he play a record and you all over there talk,
and then all some somebody start moving you can see at that point this was not
forced right and I feel like that's the most organic thing that we still have
left in the music business is like organically I didn't pay you to listen to my
song or name nobody come over there over promote you to listen to my song you just
heard it and you like damn who was that that's like quavo or something you know
you could see the emotion on people
trying to figure out what it is.
Or you see somebody in there is Shazam the song.
This is actual real time.
At one time were women banned from the strip club?
I used to remember because they would be charged.
It was a period of time where none dancing females looked down on dances.
And the gentleman's club was a gentleman's club.
It wasn't no women in the gentlemen's club.
That's what it was called.
And that's how we, that was our spot, right?
But then these ladies start figuring out
These guys are going to having fun
They eat and they're not calling us
They're not coming home
We want them to come home
What the hell is going on in this club
And then once, like I said
Even like me with Janet
She wanted to go so bad
And I'm like, I'm just in there
Having fun
Kicking it with my guys, eating blah blah blah
And it was like multiple times
Where I was like I'm not going
I'm not going
and then we got to take her in there she's like oh oh i thought y'all was in here i'm like i don't know
what y'all thought we was in here doing but they they thought it was something else prior to them
going and enough of them started going and they start realizing like girl they don't be doing
nothing in there they're having a good time if you are able to just party and not pay attention
to the girls being naked then you should be able to have a good time with your man or your friend
or whoever that's in there so i think that started right that that situation started
and then guys start realizing, like,
they didn't have to lie to their girls either
because ain't nobody having sex in Magic City.
You know what I mean?
They got other clubs where that might be going on.
But Magic City is a full-on show, right?
It's no way for you to be in there.
You know what I mean?
Doing that in that club and people not see you with nothing.
So that's not what happened.
That's not what's happening in that club.
The other thing about Magic City,
just watching the doc,
Atlanta used to pride itself on having a unique sound.
Yeah.
Now a lot of folks say Atlanta music just kind of like blends into the main screen.
Do you feel like the city's lost this identity or it's just a natural evolution?
No, I was trying to figure out how we talk about this because I don't want people to get this misconstrued about me saying
that I'm not saying anything about what's going on with Doug.
But what's happening with Doug is almost making people believe that that's just, that's all of Atlanta, right?
Meanwhile, Atlanta has a subculture of these female rappers right now with Pluto, YK, Bankroll Nia, Bonner B, and they have a real thing going.
They have a real motion going, and they have a real movement going that is being ignored.
Like, right when they said, I saw people saying, it's no song of the summer.
Whim Whammy in Atlanta was the song of the summer.
That's Pluto, not just Atlanta, though.
You know what I mean?
That's the song of the summer.
But for some reason, and it's the first time this ever happened to me in Atlanta.
So I'm seeing, I'm trying to figure out why.
But this is the first time that anybody else that's in the press,
they're stealing all of the energy away from all of the artists that's out there.
Like we got Belligang, Cush, we got Swave, we got all these new artists that's hot.
Even like Jid, Jig got a hot new record with Sierra Earth Gang.
That's the label fault, though.
No, no, no.
I love that record.
It's not the label fault.
It's actually the media that all of the new artists claim that they don't want to deal with by saying they don't want gatekeepers.
The media is acting like gatekeepers.
And all they're talking about, all these little podcast guys, all they're talking about is thug.
If you want to talk about that and that's what you got going, then cool.
But don't say this is Atlanta.
Atlanta fell off and you ain't mentioning these girls.
You know what I mean?
and you ain't mentioning belly
and you ain't mentioning
Jed new album and you ain't
like because that's that
now you
now you're deterring the energy
that we out here putting out
and making it seem like
this is the only thing that's happened
in Atlanta and Atlanta's never been like that.
That's a great conversation
you opening up because I'm sitting there thinking
like back in the day
we had artists who had big records
and you maybe didn't know the artist yet
but at some point
those dots connected like you know
white teas franchise boy all of that stuff
but then eventually you knew
who the group was.
Yeah.
I think that's the disconnect.
Like, you might hear the record,
but not know who the artist is connected to that record.
They got to work harder,
but at the same time,
it's like I said,
it's still mainstream media
is promoting this as ratlanta.
Like, that's not,
that's not where I live at.
You know what I mean?
And like I said,
these girls,
I'm just looking at these girls,
and I managed banked Roanah
and just me coming into helping her
with her career.
what attracted me to it is that they doing this in a hip-hop way.
They're using TikTok and whatever things means that they got
to get what they want and actually really creating a thing in the hip-hop.
And the only thing that's missing is mainstream media paying attention to it.
I think that takes sometimes people to run the circuit.
Like everybody talks about the clips, right?
And they're like, yo, the clips had one of the most genius rollouts.
I'm like, that wasn't a genius rollout.
It was just a rollout.
That's what the artist used to do.
It's a rollout.
So I think sometimes it takes somebody like you to say,
Naya, we're going on the circus.
But it was the thing, even with the franchise boys, right?
You took the franchise boys out on the road, right?
You went from market to market city to city.
You spoke to DJ to DJ and two, it connected.
So somebody got to do that with a night.
And it got to be you because you, J.
I mean, it can't be me.
He doesn't make my artist, but I get you.
But same thing with J.R.D., like he has to get out there
and people, like, they know his music,
but do they know his face as much?
Yeah.
Same thing with Pluto.
I love the fact that Pluto is out.
She's out and about.
She came on the breakfast club.
She's doing podcast.
She's starting to see her face outside of her music.
But we don't see that a lot anymore.
And with the thing I was going to ask you,
what's going on with Atlanta?
I've never seen Atlanta in a place where it seems like
it's been so much against each other.
Because Atlanta is usually the place where everybody fucks with each other.
Everybody sees each other at the club.
Everybody sees each other in Magic City.
You see everybody together, whether they, on good terms or not,
they're together.
And I've never seen Atlanta in a place where it seems like they're not connected.
But that's what I'm saying.
If we put the, I mean, you're right both sides.
But if we put the eyes on these girls, they're demonstrating what you're talking about.
They're making records to each other.
They're making songs.
They putting out records every weekend.
It's one record with Bunner B and YK might be Ben Roy and I at the next weekend.
This person, they're showing that they cool, they're kicking it.
They're not beefing even though YK and Pluto kind of split.
But they're still out here moving in a motion.
that shows the love that what you're talking about Atlanta was prior and that's really what I wanted to do with my album is just get back to that and just put people in spaces that I didn't um that I haven't seen people doing so when I put like Jay Money and and um Sean Paul on the same record that's what I was trying to do is like because that is how I that's how I grew up seeing Atlanta but people got to make the rounds that these niggas ain't Beyonce yeah so many things like the drop music with no promotion no nobody's Beyonce let's let's let's let's let's just
Put that out there.
Everybody got to stop doing that shit.
In the music business, everybody got to stop doing that.
I say that every time an album come out,
like, I don't understand what you think you're going to get by not giving.
Yes.
And once again, I go back to the clips.
The clips, the OG rap group showed everybody what you posted do when you got a project coming out.
Go work all the rooms.
Like, you can't just put your shit online and expect people to come to you.
Yeah, for sure.
They did.
They were out on the street and performed.
in the middle of Brooklyn at a block party.
You got to do that.
They went to the car show.
They went to concerts.
They did radio.
They did,
you podcast.
They did everything they was
to get those numbers in the show.
I saw these memes going around
about the VMAs this past weekend.
This week.
And everybody was like,
yo,
it's like this meme saying,
this is how I feel watching the VMAs.
You know less and less people every year.
And that's not because you're getting older.
It's because a lot of these people
just ain't running the circuit.
Well,
like everybody you just named,
the only person I know faces Pluto.
yeah I mean
but the VMAs
I went and I was going to tweet while I was there
but I was like I'm not going to do it because I might get in trouble
and might turn into something else but
black culture
is what is driving the internet
when it comes to music right
it ain't enough black culture at the VMAs
for
where the coach is from this
interviewing space right
And I think that's a, that's a disconnect that you see at the VMAs.
And so, so a lot of the artists don't know if they should go because they, they don't know, you know what I mean?
Because it's being front loaded with like, people like Paris Hilton and, I mean, you know, they put Lotto and, what's the name?
Ice Spice.
Yeah, Ice Spice on there, but that's what I'm saying.
It's still like, it's not, it's like, let's forget about the under, the down low people that's really coming up.
I thought Buster should have got what he got,
but we should have saw somebody new.
You know what I mean?
Jid, Sierra, you know what I mean?
They could have easily performed, though.
I just don't think that,
I just don't think people are actually,
from the mainstream perspective
of paying attention to this groundswell of music that's happening.
And then what do you do?
Because I know for a fact that,
first time I heard you that album,
I'm like, yo, this skate record goes with Sierra and Earth game.
When you're a Jid and you're telling the label,
this is the record,
but the label saying,
nah,
let's go with something else.
But then the label ain't servicing nothing to radio.
Yeah.
I mean,
well,
you got to,
you know,
like Envy knows you're saying it.
You got to bring these labels to what's going on.
That ain't never been a non-practice, right?
When we had never scared,
it was Super Bowl weekend in Atlanta.
I flew everybody to Atlanta.
And my mindset was when everybody leave,
everybody going to leave here saying bone crushers,
the biggest record they heard in Atlanta people left Atlanta and they were saying that
bone crushing record is the big when everybody got back to New York that was what was
happening in their office can you send me this bone crushing record what's up with that
bone crushing artist blah blah blah you always been that's always been part of the
practice I don't know why people think that these things change you have to none of these
people know you know I mean like nobody skates right nobody these older people that's in
these labels they're not skating so how do they know that it's a
a skating thing going on in Atlanta
three days out of the week
what night is popping
they're not even trying to go they're just thinking
about music but we are actually
selling culture inside our records and we actually
doing what we talk is like selling drugs if you talk
about the drug rappers
that's why so many of them going to jail because it's
actually real life what was skating rink
was it cascades is that would that be the equivalent
of Magic City for the skating rinks in Atlanta
on the west side
but it's a skating rink on every side like
Where I'm from, we had sparkles and we had, and we got Skate Town.
But I think, like, when we shot the video for Jed is a golden glide.
That's on the east side.
So all of, like, each side of Atlanta, they got skating rinks.
Did they break records in the skate rink?
Yeah, 100%.
Yeah.
I think, I want to say that the first time I ever heard the Jaquist hit that he had was at the
Skating Ring.
And it was on, like, because they, you know, the crazy part about it is like R&B records.
they do slow skate or they do couple skate
and they don't play no ghetto music
when they do that they actually play whatever the ballad is
right so I'm sure like right now
the Chris Brown record probably going crazy
in the skate I haven't been in the last
you know last couple of months
but I'm sure it goes crazy when they do the couple skate
and that definitely breaks music
you produce skate no
no I'm just saying I'm just saying
these time I hear records oh got you guys no I'm saying
you didn't produce it you know okay okay I want to ask
you know we had Coach K up here
about a week ago,
he was saying that the industry is missing A&Rs, right?
And we talk about it a lot.
Do you still think that we need somebody
to develop these artists,
to help develop these artists?
100%.
But the A&Rs need somebody to develop them.
You know what I mean?
Like, you know what I mean?
That's the truth because the problem is
that the A&Rs is acting more like babysits down.
And they're scared to tell the artist like,
that shit ain't, that ain't hot.
And because they know if they tell them
the artist might smack shit at them
or they might just
the artist might call him layman but like y'all don't like him
right so people trying to be friends with people
as opposed to like giving them creative criticism
and it's not it's not helping the music
you know what I mean I it's crazy
because I've been working with so many artists doing this album
and the artist coming to sleep
and they're like JD don't don't just not produce me
make me sound the best so it's artists out here
that want creative criticism I just think it's from the
they got to people got to
get back to like making sure that that's their job and when you see a person they understand
that that's what they're supposed to get from you every time i see you and i talk to you i always ask
you the same thing i feel like you're one of those hip-hop people that are underrated right that
people forget about what you've done and the lineage you put out there and the people that you
brought out you always feel that way and when do we when does jd tell his own story in a movie
form where you talk about the beginning,
the artist you pop, the A&Rs
you birth, the producer
you birth, the sound you brought out.
When does that happen? Because people don't necessarily
forgetting, even to this day, sometimes I'm like,
Dan, JD, did that one too? Yeah, yeah.
I mean, I don't know, man. You know, I can't
I was thinking about this on the way up here
today. I was like, I'm going to see what
Charlemagne I get today. I'm going to get the cool
Charlemagne, I'm going to get it. You know what
Charlemagne I'm going to get? But last time I was
here, I told y'all, y'all weren't going to have
nobody come up here. That would have a number
one record in the same time that I did with the money long record, right?
This time I'm here, and Billboard basically finally called me,
I mean, named me the number one producer of the 21st century of hip-hop and R&B.
So I feel like the tide is changing.
You know what I mean?
It just, it's like I saw Buster say something at his speech the other day.
Like, it's timing, man.
When God wants you to get your flowers, he's going to give them to you.
Don't rush it.
So I've just been sitting back waiting.
I feel like everything that you're saying, it's going to eventually.
come because at the end of the day when you look at that list
based on who I started with
ain't none of them niggas even on the list
you know what I mean like this a whole
new list of people that I'm going against based
on who the guys I came out with
so long as I just keep
doing what I'm doing I'm not I mean I think that
is one of my you know most
proud accomplishments though to make
that list because I feel like for the
first time people have to really like
go and see why and when you
go see why
first of all the list that's not comprised of
your heart and your stomach is comprised
of who has the most number ones in the
last 21st century
them is facts like that's what I was telling
the last time we was up here when you start
dealing with the stats
you know it's a different conversation
and I feel like if people start
having to have that conversation
then you know the respect has to change
at that point I mean I've seen people
like completely mad about Beyonce
being at number five on that list
but Beyonce actually produces
these records she's telling
the other people in the room
like just what I want
do a drop right here
just you know what I mean
that's production so you know I mean
but you made beats too though
I mean I'm never been
but I'm sure
I'm sure
but even with the versus conversation
I remember the versus conversation
and they played you so
I don't want to say so little
but they made it seem like
at the time Puff was going to wax you
right and you start thinking about
the amount of records you produced
and the hitch that you did
the records that you writ
that you wrote that's why you were so like
let's do this let's do this
I mean I'm sure we'll never have
But is that the reason why you was like,
I wanted, you wanted to do it so bad?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I did.
I mean, and I wanted to do it here in New York
because I wanted, you know what I feel like,
I mean, I performed at the tunnel.
I don't been in the shit storm of hip-hop,
so it ain't none of that, don't, none of that scare me, right?
At the end of the day, and I feel like that's the only way
at that time that people were gonna realize, like,
oh, this nigga's crazy, right?
Because if you, I can't keep saying it, you know what I'm saying?
It is what it is, at this point,
If you ain't, you know, I saw somebody say, oh, yesterday when I said something about the female rappers like I'm saying right now,
and somebody commented and say, oh, now you want to say something good about female rappers.
I'm like, damn, did I not get you out of brat before, you know what I'm saying?
Like, I have the ability to talk about female rappers more than anybody because I'm the one that took the chance to even try to see if it were, right?
But people don't want to, they still want to fight it.
Like, so I'm like, whatever it is what it is.
What's the most of the illest things I think about this list
when you look at this billboard list.
Name the list.
Name the top five so people.
But I'm only going to name top two, but you're number one.
And then when he, I guess you was, that's your protege.
Brian Michael Cox is number two.
That's my partner.
Yeah.
Yeah.
How did that make you feel?
I mean, amazing because I, you know,
when you think about like what people say about like Michael Jordan and basketball,
I always use these, they always talk about like you can only be the best
unless you can make other people better, right?
In any business, right?
I think that's the thing.
Like, so, I mean, half of them songs that put Brian in there is the same songs that got me up there.
So it's like, we make each other better.
So, I mean, that's the focus that we have when we work and the records that we do together is just, that's the focus.
We have a goal amongst us both.
And if he was lower on that list, I'd be mad because I'm like, it ain't no way possible.
You know what I mean?
He's been right there with me every step of the way.
And I think, too, like when I think about Mariah Carey getting, you know, the accolades, she got the other night of the VMA, I don't know if that happens without you.
And what I mean by that is Mariah had a fantastic career, but that album was like a comeback album that kind of solidified her forever.
I was talking to her about this yesterday, and I was saying, like, it would have happened without me.
But Mariah is such a New York...
hip-hop person that she wants to gravitate towards the shit, right?
As opposed to, like, promoting the Boys the Men record,
which was, no, her first song of the decade, right?
She didn't even perform that song the other night.
Like, you know what I'm saying?
Like, she got records that's bigger than the records I did,
that she just like, yeah, you know, we can already do this tonight.
This is what we're going to do.
Listen, I love it because I'm a part of it,
but don't get a twist of these songs.
you know what I mean she got records that she could do that's like hero um you know
I mean these songs that's huge that made her Mariah had sold 30 million records
before I even worked with her right you know what I'm saying like that charm bracelet
and then that what was that movie called I don't even remember sparkle it was a bad it was
dark for her one one black guy can't kill you no that's true but then you came back
with emancipation to me and that's that's a nuclear bomb I mean that's not a normal
I mean, yeah, I just, I always look at that like I am really, I can't take credit for Mariah.
She's, she's who she is and she was who she was before.
You know, I'm, I'm just happy that she let me be a part of the ride.
I think that puts more pressure on you, though.
And what I mean by that is when you're tasked with going in there with an iconic person already
and creating something that gets them, you know, back seeing the way that they were seen before
their, you know, last flop.
That says a lot that you was able to accomplish that.
They didn't put pressure on me?
I would think so back then.
Nah, because I don't think about it.
Like, you know, like, the thing about it is when I go in the studio of people,
I don't be like, I don't get caught up in what's happening in their life.
And I think that that was what was going on in her life outside of the studio.
I go in the studio and I'm like, I say this all the time.
When I work with Aretha Franklin, she made me realize, like, listen,
if you're going to be in here working and I'm going to pay you
and we're going to let you get this credit,
you better say what the fuck you got to say if I sound bad,
If I don't even sound halfway good, she was like, tell me to do it again.
And I'm like, I can't tell Aretha Franklin nothing.
Like, this Aretha Franklin.
But the way she was talking to me was like, I flew you here to Detroit to cut my vocals.
So what you're going to do?
You're going to sit there and just watch me?
If you're going home, that's what she told me.
She says, literally, I'm going home if that's what you're going to do.
And that's when I set that for a minute, I'm like, you know what?
I got to do this.
I just got to be brutally honest with artists.
And when it came to emancipation of me and me, we belong together.
We made the song, I'm like, listen, Mariah, if you don't hit the note at the end of the record,
the record ain't going to be what people want the record to be.
They want you to, that's what they want.
We got to give them what they want.
And it was like, nobody else wanted to say this.
I had to say it.
And I had to be like, you know, if you don't like me for saying what is real, then why are we in the room together?
What was one of the artists that didn't like you being brutally honest?
That was like, nah, this is not for me.
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you get your podcasts. I mean, I think everybody wants, they don't want to address it, but when it's
right they like oh okay you know but there's a lot of them like you know bow i didn't like oh i think
they like me um uhshah didn't like you wrestle with him every time you're in the studio that's
but i'm saying usher didn't like you make me want him and you have to sit there and be like man
that's crazy why what do you what are you listening to that make you not like this song
so what did you say to maria carrie when she didn't do that the last note at the end right
the note that everybody tries to sink did you call her back but like hey hey hey hey i need you to do
Like, how did that conversation?
No, what's crazy is we had six hours to do
We belong together.
She came to Atlanta.
We did everything in the song
except for that note, right?
The song was finished, and I kept Samurai
when you do the, you know,
but she also was going to sing her vocals
when she came back.
And I just kept saying,
when you sing the vocals,
make sure you end the song with this note.
And it wasn't there.
It wasn't in there.
And it was just like,
you had to say it enough.
I had to feel like,
I felt like I had to keep saying it before she left me
because I wasn't going to be there with her.
And sometimes, you know, artists want to be cool.
And, like, Mariah is, like, a singer that can really sing,
but she's a rapper.
She want to be, like, she want to do rapper shit.
So she don't actually be wanting to, like, show you how well she can sing no more.
And I'm like, no, show these niggas you can really fucking sing.
They can't, by the way.
So you have to do that.
you have to tell her because she'll get she's a rapper i told this i told her how many times i don't know
how many times did she have to do that last note her i mean i don't think she had to do that i mean
it don't take her long when she's when she's in that mode but just i'm saying that last
yeah they don't take one time no it don't take along maria's she's she's flawless when she
want to be but like i say she's so new york i'm telling you like the first time i went to
work with maria i came here i ain't know what to expect she walked in the studio and she
She laid a CD on the desk, and it was the Wu-Tang cream.
And she was like, I want you to sample this.
This is what I'm singing over.
And I'm like, no, I'm not doing it.
I'm not.
Because I start thinking about, like, you're already successful.
You think I'm getting ready to be the nigger that's going to put cream under you and make you.
We're not doing that.
I'm not doing that, right?
But I quickly learned who she was.
Like, she just told us that story.
Who the hell was?
Like, that's who she is.
No, somebody told us that story about Mariah wanted to sing over Korean.
Who was it?
Mike literally just told us that story.
Yeah, I mean, that's that's her thing.
Like right now, she put out a song when she's over Eric B for President.
She's New York to the car.
What was it about the emancipation of Mimi that got her back to where she needed to be?
Was it the freedom that maybe you provided?
Because I saw the brat telling this story about how Tommy Mottola got guns pulled on you
because you let Mariah go to burn.
I didn't let them.
do nothing they pulled off and went on their own but yeah um well tell the story because i don't know
the story okay so the first time i started working on maria i decided to do it always be my baby
remix right so i brought escape and the bratt to her house that was out in upstate with her and
tommy and um this was the first time me i started bringing my people around maria and i brought
bratt her and bratt kicked it they hit it off and she
convinced Brat or either Brat convinced her
let's take a trip in the car just me and you and go to
McDonald's or some old shit like this. So they left together
no security nothing. They left the ground without me knowing
and niggas showed up in the studio like
what's going on? I'm like
I seen my fuck was running around like
and all was looking at me like JD this is your
person she don't ran off with Mariah and I'm like
what the fuck like that was a crazy moment
this is my first time being there. This is my first time
at her house and
I bring some niggas over.
This is just like a story.
You bring some niggas over to the house
and this is what happened.
And I'm in the house like this.
Like, I'm just trying to make a record, man.
What the fuck is going on?
So you call her.
Like, where are you at?
Yeah, I called her.
She's like, we're just getting some fries.
And I'm like, what?
Why?
And she was saying that Mariah just,
like, at that period of time, Mariah was,
you know, this was a different type of success
life at this point.
Real celebrity.
Yeah, she wasn't the artist
that could go outside and go to McDonald's.
she wasn't even doing that.
Like, she was sheltered in the house,
and she just wanted to get out.
And Brat was her person that was ready to go escape and do it.
So was it that level of freedom you provided her?
That's what it's because I'm called the emancipation.
Yeah.
No, I just think, I think I make Mariah comfortable, right?
And I don't, I don't, I don't fake with her about the music that we should make.
And I think that's what makes her feel free, you know, free.
Because I'm telling her, I'm telling her, I'm telling.
anybody if you sing make singing records man like hey like i get it you want to rap and i'm a rapper at
heart but i learned how to make music and i learned through the success that i've had that these
people want these records to sound like the records that they know the audience don't change right
so i just have to keep beating that in people's minds and letting them know like listen you might
want to change your shit up but the person that's listening they want the new mariah record to sound
like the Mariah record that they heard before.
And that's always a hard fight with artists.
Did you ever take her to Magic City?
Yeah, no, no, no, no, she won't, she probably won't go to this.
That ain't, that ain't her, that ain't her bag.
Now back to Usher, you said Usher didn't like make me want to.
Yeah.
Why not?
What was the problem with that?
I don't know.
And how'd you get them, how'd you force him to finally do it?
Well, I mean, I had to force him, but he just let me know it wasn't like, that
wasn't where he felt he should be coming with.
at this point in time usher was still
not sure where his career was going to go
so he still cut the song luckily
but if we was in that space right now
he's not going to cut the song
right now he ain't gonna be like I don't fuck with that song
right now he don't care if he don't like you
nah I'm not doing it's not even going to get cut even now
like right now I would trust you to
not right he's going to be like that's
right now I'll be like yo usher please cut this song
uhsh should turn his phone off like
when you look at this new generation
of Atlanta rappers, do you feel they understand
the history of the city, son?
Or it's all about what's hot right now?
Well, I think they do, but I don't think they respect it
from a level of how high you should be holding it, right?
Because a lot of people in Atlanta still don't understand
how we even got to where we are, right?
I did an interview the other day.
I'm like about, you know, first of the month,
something like that with big facts, right?
And Bank was saying, you know, JD diggers in Atlanta, you said, think you wanted to be from New York.
And it's funny because it wasn't that I wanted to be from New York.
It's just this is where hip hop lives.
And this is where hip hop was at.
And it wasn't hip hop, no hip hop in Atlanta, right?
It wasn't no place in Atlanta that even gave me what I felt I was getting when I came to the city.
And I wasn't getting anything.
treated like I wasn't even supposed to be here but still I was looking at people doing what I
wanted to do right so I'm like yeah we got to get we got to figure out how to get this going so
he was telling me that when I did money and the thing that it felt like I wanted to be from
New York as opposed I also I wanted to be the first nigga from Atlanta to make a record with a
nigga from Brooklyn that everybody kept claiming was going to be who he came to be and I
don't think people
understand that move
as much as they want to try to make it seem
like I want to be from New York.
I was trying to be the first person
to push us forward
and make sure that Atlanta
exists the way it does in hip-hop.
Did you have to pay hold for that record?
How did that record come about?
Money and a day?
I had to pay him.
I mean, it was my idea from the jump
and he took it and put it on his album
once it started popping, so, you know,
we just, it was just an even swap.
So who, when you, when you talk, I love, I love these Atlanta stories
because I really feel like Atlanta story still hasn't been told the way it should have.
That's why I'm glad you did the freak nick doc and y'all got the magicity doc.
When you think of Atlanta,
who should really get the credit for introducing the world to Atlanta hip-hopic?
Me.
Maine Dupree or Alcat?
Me.
Outcast was calling, so-so-deaf trying to get signed.
Like, I think, I think, you know, one of the things that we have to really start going
is in dealing with me.
And that's where it goes, like, people start moving the goal post is that
Chris Cross was the first rap group from Atlanta to sell over two, three, four million
records, point blank.
Ain't no if and buts about it, right?
But when we start having a conversation about Chris Cross, people start trying to make
it seem like it's kiddie rap, right?
But then when I start saying something about me making a record, the nigger starts
saying, oh, gee, it's a young man game.
If it's a young man game, then give it.
it to the young men who started the shit for the city, right?
But when you ask for that credit,
niggas try to make it seem like, nah, nah, nah, it can't be these kids.
But that don't make sense, right?
It don't, one minute it's for the kids,
then the next minute the kids, you don't want to get the kids to credit.
And I think that's the biggest mistake in Atlanta hip hip hop
is that niggas don't give crisscross the credit
for pushing the door open.
Like TI definitely says that he started rapping
because he saw Chris Cross
and he realized that he didn't have to be old.
He didn't have to be 25 years old to make a record.
He saw some little niggas from his hood making music
and he was like, I can do it.
Even Killer Mike says the same thing.
And I feel like you know you got a couple of people
like these guys that say it.
But the rest of the city, if you start having conversation about it,
it's always who started it first.
Chris Cross came out way before Outcast.
You know what I'm saying?
And they sold 8 million records the first album.
You can't just not talk about that.
What's the biggest difference between being a music mogul in the 90s versus being one now?
They don't look the same.
Yeah, no, they don't look the same.
And I think that the difference now is that it just ain't a bunch.
That's what it is.
That's the ultimate difference because we all learned from everybody.
I learned most of everything that I started doing from Russell.
you know what I mean just seeing Russell Simmons do what he was doing
Andre Harrell rest in peace
just everybody you know
we had we had books of people
that we could look at and read their book
damn there and be like okay if I'm gonna do it I want to do it like this
if I'm gonna have this company I'm gonna have it like this
we don't have that no more right we don't have that no more
and I need it you know what I'm saying even me I need it so it's therefore
it's like I mean at least I always used it I might be that person
that people look at at this point, but I'm saying
for the most part, we don't have
these guys that's out here
that you could actually look at and be like, okay, I want
to have, I want to, even like
Jay Prince, if Jay Prince was doing what he was
doing in Houston, they're not doing that
no more in Houston, right? So, niggas in Houston
only have nobody to, like,
patting what they're doing off of nobody.
They can talk about it, but you don't see nobody
coming out of Houston that's like the new Jay Prince.
Yeah, that's true. You know what I mean?
It's interesting, too, with Atlanta, because history always
repeats itself, and you think about all the different sounds
that have come out of Atlanta.
Now, I love Metro booming out.
And the stuff you got on the Magic City soundtrack
sound like that, too.
Why is that era it seemed like coming back?
Well, I mean, mine is because it's connected to the dock, right?
I think Metro and them was on to something
that was just like they felt like,
like I said, I don't know where these girls,
what mindset these female rappers was in when they started,
but they started taking these old records
and remaking new records on top of.
of them. So like all these Zatovan beats, that's the Pluto song. When Mamie was a Zatovan beat,
right? Like I said, the girl Bankroll Nia that I worked with, she got a bunch of these records
that they're taking all of these older records and they put new records on there. So I think
the feel of it, when you start seeing that, that feels like, okay, you know, everybody that
make music always try to get into the tempo and what's going to go with the next song as a producer.
I mean, that's what I do.
So if you listening to, oh, I think they like me beat
and somebody come on with a new song,
your next move is to damn them make a record
that sound like Lean With It Rock with it.
It's just automatic because you can't just come with a song
that you can't just blow by and be like,
I ain't paying no attention to that tempo.
Let's do something else.
No, that ain't never been hip-hop.
So I just think that it's just a wave.
Like I said, these girls, they started,
and I just feel like you're seeing people just follow the wave.
It's going to be interesting to see what that take me through their record.
Yeah.
What that influences.
Yeah, but I'm saying, that's YK, though.
Yeah.
So, I mean, that's what I'm saying.
It's like, it's just they wave, and people just, they started it, you know.
Now, we talked about a lot of stuff that you've done in your history.
What's left that Jemaine wants to do that he hasn't done yet?
Like, because you didn't did everything.
You didn't did do docu-series.
You didn't did produce for every decade.
What's left that you want to do that's like, this is the last thing I want to do?
Or this is something I want to do.
Um, just continue, man.
I think that, like, there's a lot of stuff that I did that I didn't know what I was doing, right?
And so, like, go back and do it, you know, way and that I know.
Like, when I came up here and talked about the rap game, I ain't know what that show was going to be.
I ain't know if Lado was going to come from that show.
I ain't know.
I don't know what was going to happen, right?
Now I know.
Now people know that show would be accepted, you know, and received so much better now because people know.
It wasn't accepted back then, like I think it would be now.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
But it's also proven, though.
Yeah, it's just really just like, like I said, a lot of the stuff is like,
I'm the first to, like, step out here and see what's going on,
and you don't even know what's happening.
And once it worked, if you come back and do it again, it's like, oh, okay,
now people fucking with this and they might do it.
But that's a lot of the stuff I just, you know, I was just like, you know,
like even like the division, I signed Division.
And the first album that I did with Division,
I jumped out here with a song cut if I get caught.
and you know their fan base was a little like
we don't fuck with that right
I was just trying to make records
and get them guys popular
because I felt like they're too good
to be such a box group
and they also wanted that song
so I'm not going to ready to say I pushed it on them
but at the same time I learned
in that process they got a fan base
right and they make love music
and you can't come out with a group
that make love music
talking about if I get caught cheating that just is not going to be a crash so this new project
we put out two new records last week and all I see is people online saying this the division we
wanted this is what I'm talking about you know Joe Bunner somebody so you just learn I just learn
so I don't know I feel like you know I said to look at the things that I feel like I'm not
I didn't know what I was doing totally and then just come back and do it again and try to make it right
right the way that I feel like
it should have been the first time.
What's the hardest personal sacrifice
you've made for your career?
Life.
I don't really have no life.
I just be making music.
You know what I mean?
And I have people that tell me this all the time.
Like, Jady, you know, you don't really,
you, my baby and mothers be saying this.
It's like, you know, your life is the music.
All you do is care about the music.
All you care about is putting out records.
All you care about it's doing what you're doing every day.
And that's the truth, it is.
That's what it is.
I don't care about it.
about nothing else you don't enjoy the money you don't go on vacation i mean i come along with it but
that's not that's not a chase for me like my chase is to be you know like what they said on the
billboard i get number one i i feel like i feel like i feel like i finally a did something by getting
number one on that list but then it's never enough because you want more no whatever it's like
but it's also like fighting it's like boxing you got to you got to can you stay in that space right
You know what I'm saying?
It's like watching Floyd and Tyson talk about they going to fight.
It's like Floyd retired, but he still want to be the best.
You know what I'm saying?
It's like, I'm not saying I'm retired.
I'm out here.
So I just know that, you know, like, I also know that it's space in hip hop and R&B that hasn't been touched.
What I'm doing, going from 92 and being becoming the number one producer of the 21st century in 2025,
ain't been seen ever, ever, right?
So if you start doing shit
that ain't never been seen,
you don't have no reason.
I don't have no reason to stop.
I just got to, you know,
pray to God that don't stop, you know what I mean?
It's funny.
I wonder if hip-hop limits Jermaine Dupre.
And what I mean by that is,
when people start talking about,
who's the greatest producers of all time,
they'll start, you know,
naming a bunch of people
who do a lot of hip-hop records, right?
But you got to just say
Jermaine is a musician.
If you said Jermaine is just a musical producer,
then I think the conversation,
is a little bit different.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
I mean, it's hard, man.
Because I feel like I switch from people.
I switch up on people so much.
When I'm in R&B mode, I'm not talking about no rap, right?
I remember one time I came up here and I was so R&Bed out and I won't, I'm waving
the flag for R&B and I ain't talking about nothing rap.
I think that confuses the podcast and the guys they usually talk to me about.
They're like, wait a minute.
I thought this thing
was money, anything
and you know what I mean
in Magic City
this thing's over here
talking about you want to make
division records
you know what I mean
I think that
that throws the whole thing
because I do switch
I mean that's the only way I can do it
that's the only way I can make it
is to get away from
you know from one thing for a minute
and go into that space
and be 100% in that space
Is there a media bias
even towards the South
because I think about that
with the producers and the artist
because there's some artists
from the South
who should be getting mentioned
as top lyricists all the time
and some producers from the South
who should be getting mentioned
the top producers of the world.
I just think that,
and I want to get,
I want to send a bang
a shout out
because I feel like his interview with Doug
fantastic.
Pushes.
Brilliant.
Finally, somebody in Atlanta
to the forefront
of hip hop media
in the city of Atlanta.
And I think it's taken 30 years
for somebody in the city of Atlanta
to be the person
that you have to sit down
to talk to if you that guy
in hip hop and he just made himself
that person if you asked me. He killed it.
He killed it. I'm glad you said that because
I said it on the air. Regional
Identity matters in media.
100% and everything. And Atlanta's been
the hip hop capital for so long
but have never had that media person.
Luther Gray's Creight and all, but they've never had that
person you've got to go. And I think
that's the problem. It's like every time somebody from
Atlanta that's popped, they
always had to come to New York. And no
disrespect. But I've
insane it should have been somebody that did what he did with future ludicrous when t i got out of
jail we don't had so many artists that have so many stories or they missed the opportunity like what
just happened with thug because we don't have that person in the city and that just that goes to the
culture like people should like i just saw the magazine out there with you on the front cover of variety
i never seen that before right in Atlanta i don't think young people read and see things like that
to push them to say,
you know what?
I want to do what Charlemagne doing, man.
I want to do what Envy doing.
He got a car show.
Like, they don't see that enough
to distract them.
All they see is JD throwing money
and this thing is throwing money.
I'm a rapper, niggins.
I'm going to be a rapper.
Nah, you ain't got to be no rapper.
You know what I mean?
Bank getting ready to hit the bank.
Absolutely.
You know what I'm saying?
Based on what he just did,
that one interview, as far as I'm concerned,
if he do what he got to do
and he keep it at that level
and the way he talked to him
it makes you're going to have people that really
want to sit down and let you interview
them the same way you did
and Big Fax has already been that platform to me
and then now to see Bank doing the perspective
with Banks
I agree what you're saying but it took
30 years that's what I'm saying
it took 30 years for somebody
to say
this is what we need
I'm gonna do it like this
right and I'm so I'm really happy to see
that I feel like that's going to turn
that's going to change the city
because that's going
somebody going to see that
and they're going to create another one right
and at that point that world will open
up because when I came here
I think the beginning of me talking
about Magic City I was like yo everybody
in New York got a fucking podcast
I mean everywhere I went
everybody got a podcast clueling them got
one across the street in a little bar
Fat Joe
everybody fat Joe no I was going to all of them
I mean Carmello in them out in Brooklyn
there's a podcast everywhere and I was just like
this ain't this bug
can't hit Atlanta yet.
Nah, they got them in Atlanta
because you got big facts,
you got bank,
got 85 South shows in Atlanta,
you got Port Mines podcast
based out of Atlanta.
That's four.
Y'all got about 20 out there.
That is true.
You know what I mean?
You know what I mean?
It's just, and they're moving.
Y'all got 20 out here that's moving.
I'm just saying these guys
that you, like the 85 South show,
I think that's probably the closest next.
But after that, it ain't no real,
like, ain't nobody you got to talk to.
Paul Mines is big.
You should sit down.
But you ain't got to.
talk to him that's all I'm saying I'm just talking about as far as like if you
one of these people I feel like we don't have we ain't had nobody that you have to
talk to like if they was like call me to call the record coming they like Joe
Jamee who you want to have a in-depth conversation with and then your name your name
gonna come up and then who's the competitor to Charlemagne in Atlanta
in Atlanta too you know they're from Houston but they're based in Atlanta right
so I just feel like I feel like Bank put himself in the
category to get you know the Gucci man's all of these people that we want to hear
gunners should be calling bank right now yeah one of a person should be calling bank like yo
I need to come sit down with you and just to read not saying reply but yeah I mean but
it ain't even like this just never heard his side we've never heard him told it's just like
I said he just made it where like Oprah Winfrey like you want to watch it you want to
hear it and he's not going to hold back on the questions and he's creditable in
that category to where you
can't run no bullshit on him.
Because he's going to let you know you running
some bullshit. But that's what I love. He wasn't afraid
to push back. Nah, but I mean, but he don't
have no, that's him. You know
what I'm saying? He wanted to, he's the guy that told me when
I said. He's like, JD, we thought you
want to be from New York. That's who told
me that. Right? And I'm like, nah, I wasn't
trying to be from New York. I'm trying to just
push my music. And I just feel like
like I said, I applaud him on that interview.
He did it. Fantastic. I got two more questions.
What's the one misconception about JD that
which people would let go up um that i'm anything like any of these other people that we talk about
i don't do none of the people talking about they got a case with criss-crossing i don't do
none of that shit all that shit people i don't i ain't got time for all that i make music right
if you want to talk about music then that's what we talk about if you want to talk about all this
other bullshit that's going on in the world i'm not your guy for that you're talking about freak-off
Freakoffs, whatever you want to call it.
Like, not freak-offs.
I think, like, you know, like, you know,
they got, like, transporting kids
and all of this type of shit going on out here now.
And just, I feel like,
because we have seen so many people do
and get in trouble for things,
you know, it's like, well, JD, part of that system, too.
JD, I ain't never hear your name of no bullshit.
No, but I'm saying, like, it's, I mean, you know.
And I've been around your long time.
I ain't never seen no BS.
But I'm just from saying, I'm not,
I don't, I don't, I don't,
had no reason to be doing that like I don't have no reason to do it and I think a lot of people
don't understand like a lot of my success I was with Janet you know what I'm saying like I had I was
the first nigger to be out here doing that besides Bobby and Whitney you know what I mean me
and Janet was together before J and Ho I mean J and B actually really announced it so I was kind
of like pushed to the side like a boyfriend type of dude that was like just making music so I don't
I don't know I just think I think that's the one I think people just they want me to be
that shit, but I'm not
going in that direction. Yeah,
I mean, you wanted a few, it seems
like, yo, you, Jay-Z,
like y'all planes are landing
with the wheels out. A lot of people
planes did not land with the wheels.
I mean, well, I had this conversation with Chad
because Chad Ellie, shout out to Chad Ellie. That's my best
friend. And we've been friends since I was
12, 13, and
we was talking about the list, the Billboard list.
And we started out in the garage. I used
to live with him in Brooklyn, Easton Park,
and we was we used to make you know we go by records and we ain't know what he's doing we was just trying to make beats and we didn't have no drum machines we just used to use our imagination and i was telling him about it the other night i was like yo we got a toast i'm number one producer right and he was like man just sitting here thinking about it made me want to cry because it's like what we went through for me to even be in that space um i don't think people even realize so it's just like i i'm i'm i
All I focus on is that, man, just trying to be, you know,
I'm trying to be the top of the game, and I made it.
I'm just trying to stay in that space.
When your name is mentioned 50 years from now,
what's the one record or one artist you want to define your leg?
I don't know who the artist is.
Somebody great.
I mean, I think, you know, I think, like, watching Mariah get Vanguard Award
and her performing in that,
piece to a record
that I did
I think that means
that means a lot
you know what I mean
like you almost like you're saying
it's like
my records are loud enough
to make people damn
to believe
that I had something
to do with her success
and that's a that's a
to me that's a mean
accomplishment
because I didn't have
anything to do with her
becoming who she is
no that's not true
that's not true
I mean
because it's a second wave
yeah but I'm saying
I think I think I might have made
more black people like her
yes
but she's still
Maraic Garrett
Yeah, but it says something
When you, me, I mean
I get it
And that's her best album
I get it
Mancipation Mimi is Mara Carey's best album
Absolutely
That's probably the definitive album
Of her whole career
That's her thriller
It is
I don't know
I don't know
I don't know
Well yeah I mean
Before I go
I got an album
I think my album's coming out
on Friday
I got yeah I think
Because I've been
I had a lot of sample
clearance issues
It was supposed to come out
last Friday
To go with the doc
But I'm hoping
it comes out this Friday because this is the last
episode of Magic City this
Friday. So we're trying to
make sure the album comes out and I'm supposed to turn it in
by 4 o'clock. So that's what
my running is doing. That's what my
phone is doing right now. Well, J.D., Jemaine
Dupree, make sure. Check out the Magic City
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