The Breakfast Club - Best Of Full Interview: Kevin Hart & Will Packer Talk ‘Fight Night: The Million Dollar Heist,’ Industry Relationships + More

Episode Date: December 30, 2024

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This is true. And it's essentially this story. This is what you were worried about, Will. This is what you were concerned about. Listen, brother, he almost ruined both our careers. This is not the first time. This is the first time we're gonna have some. No, no, listen.

See, the difference is that Kevin is at a point now he can get away with the shit. You know what I'm saying? He's Kevin Hart, right? So you know, people would just wait and bend over backwards and all that. There was a time when it was the biggest movie of both of our careers. It was absolutely ride along with Ice Cube and we had done Thing Like a Man. That was the one that really kind of catapulted Kevin and everybody was like, okay, what's he gonna do next? Like, what are they gonna do next? So this was the one, the biggest of catapulted Kevin. And everybody was like, okay, what's he gonna do next? Like, what are they gonna do next? So this was the one that was the biggest.

Budget of our careers, everything. And Kevin, you remember what happened? Did I lie to you? You did lie. Did I lie to you? You absolutely lied. Did we get what we were supposed to get and did we get back to where we were supposed to be?

So, Envy, we were shooting. Did we get back to where we were supposed to be? We barely got back, Kevin. I love saying your story. Why you bitch all the time? You see this? People want to know what a producer does. Right? They ask me. This is what a producer does. You see this? You see him smelling the coffee? You see him trying to get oxygen in his veins? He's trying to come back to life. This is what it looks like. So Kev was supposed to be here three hours earlier, four hours earlier. Oh boy.

What's your issue? We're friends, y'all. Tell me why the people on radio need to know that. It's radio. You think they need a fucking breakdown? It was four hours earlier and they said Kev can't make it cause he's sick. And we all said, bullshit, he was drunk cause he went out last night. I did not go out last night. So let's correct it.

That's actually true. He did go out last night. By the way, I do not go out. I'm 45 years old. I don't go to fucking clubs. I don't go to parties. I was working, I did promo. I see you partying in Vegas.

It's my weekend, I own the fucking weekend. I have to show face. Talk to your brother. I have to be there. Charlotte Mayne, don't hype him up. What is my weekend, I own the fucking weekend. I have to show face. Talk that talk, Kev. I have to be there. Charlamagne, don't hype him up, Charlamagne. When it's my weekend, I gotta fucking be there. You're not helping. We had artists, we had clubs.

I gotta show face, I'm the brand. So you do go to the club? No. Well, yes. No, I'm serious. So last night, we're doing promo and everything for Fight Night. We're rolling out all of the carpet of the carpets.

So before the actual premiere, we announced it, but I had to leave because I had to do Seth Meyers. And Seth Meyers has a segment called Drinking With Seth. And you go to a bar and Seth makes these drinks or whatever and it's like, you know, for hour and a half to two hours, you're drinking throughout the interview. What could go wrong with that?

And, you know, I don't drink anything outside of my fucking tequila at this point in my life. So, you know, anything else, anything else I'm very unfamiliar with. And Seth said, let's close it out with your tequila, but let's start it with everything. he threw it all at me like I'm talking with it's Jägermeister and wow turkey I mean we were brown we were dark. Kevin you too old to be mixing stuff. You can say no but. No is a complete sentence. You can but you have to understand the beauty of good

television and it was a good conversation, great interview and while we're drinking for good reason behind the answers and we finished it, what's the tequila, we went through a lot. And I just don't remember the back half of the time. And that's why I didn't show up to the after party, I missed that. And this morning at 6 a.m., I would have been here, bro. Why couldn't you miss the after party

after the garden that night so y'all could have just got back to Atlanta at a reasonable time? Because we weren't drinking, that's why I always say why he's being a bitch, like we had no time. Kevin, it was our movie. We weren't fucked up like, oh man, where's my jacket? We weren't just out at a show, we had to get back. Biggest movie of our career, okay?

Where's your tampon? And he leaves. Jesus Christ, Will. He books a show at Madison Square Garden. He tapes a comedy special in the middle of our movie. A tour while filming a movie faithfully. He does, which is not a good thing, boys and girls. Like when you're looking at how to be successful, like don't overbook yourself.

That one thing about my friend here. Right, do it opposite for me. Nobody's. Because I'm a bad example. Nobody's going overworking yeah I'm a bad example nobody's going over working don't do what Kevin Hart did look at his career

he's been doing it wrong this whole time it's the stupidest shit I've ever heard oh I'm sorry kids Kevin booked a fucking live show at Madison Square Garden taped a special and got to work and on time for the biggest movie in his career at that moment. I was going to say, people that are listening, no, it's because you have people around you who will save you. You have folks that will save you. And that's what happened. He booked it, right? And so he left the show in the middle of it, right?

Biggest movie for the Universal Studios, he leaves. But you know know what he does because this is the evil genius of Kevin Hart. He goes hey, man I gotta do this show. It's next week. You know he tells me a week before he goes Hey, you know what you and Tim story didn't Jet at the jet, you know what? Bring the wives. Bring the wives. Bring the wives. So my dumb ass, I'm like, you know what?

He brought the wives. And you know what he said? He said, that way you can make sure that we get back on time. Because I knew we had to shoot the next day. So we were shooting one day, he's gonna go do the show that night, and then we had to shoot the next morning on a location

we could only get that day. You know what it's called? He's like, come with me. That's called an alibi. An alibi. So together. Together. Together.

Together. He's absolutely right. An alibi. Absolutely right. Well that's a lie. I'm an asshole they would be too Kevin has an amazing show at Madison Square Garden all the celebs come out afterwards We're an after party. He did not tell me about I'm in there with Carmelo Anthony buying bottles going Oh, we dying tonight. We turning up tonight Wars have power. Why are we gonna die tonight? Well, we gonna die tonight means we're having a good time If you're choosing to die over life, how good of a time is that? Last night I didn't say we gonna die tonight I was like, oh this is work

When I was in that club and I saw my career flash before my eyes, because I realized there was no way we were gonna be able to get back in time. I had that moment, because I'm sitting there looking at Kev, and I realized we're not gonna make it. And Kev looks at me, he goes, well, we tried, we tried. That was it. Remember in Usual Suspects when he realized

that Kaja Soze was sitting in front of him the whole time? I looked at Kevin Hart and I realized that he had convinced me, the producer and director of the movie, to get on a jet with him so that when Universal called and said, why are y'all over budget and not able to finish the movie? And they say, well, Kevin Hart, Will Packer, and Tim Story were there, so the producer went with him,

it would be on me. I was complicit. I realized that was his evil plan all along. You called him a diabolical rascal spawn of Satan. That's true He means that. That's the sad part. The sad part is he means that. I love him, but that's true of words never spoken sir. I will ask you and your listeners. What is a life without a great story?

It's something that can't be talked about it's untold a life without stories is nothing you need fucking stories good and the bad he's bitching about a great story and by the way that story did what amplified our relationship and look at where we are now fight night huh we're talking about something else that we're yet in business and we produced and developed together do we get here without that moment no we do not so why did you still want to be his friend after that? After you figured that out, you could have said, you know what, this relationship no longer happens. You know what I'm saying?

But you decided to jump back at me. You need to get to the edge. Envy, I'm so afraid that if I leave Kevin Hart's life, he'll just implode, right? He'd just burn up on the spot. I just don't know what he'd do without me. I'll be honest with you, it's close to being over. It's close. It plowed right he just burned up on the spot. I just don't know what he do without You two that works so well because even like just here with you guys in person It's like I could listen to this back and forth all day long like real talk with each other's most frequent collaborators Kevin on a ton of movies. I've done a ton of movies TV projects We haven't worked with anybody else and more than we work with each other

I'll give you I'll give Will this on air. And half of it is because I'm still drunk. And drunk, by the way, offer some of the best fucking tequila in the market. Here it comes. It's in Coramino. This is not a commercial, but it's just a time to let people know when it comes to smooth taste and it comes to elegance. Hard work takes different.

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But I will say this about Will. I don't say it enough, but people don't understand it, and I think they should. I don't get to where I got in career or business without the information and relationship of Will Packer. You know what I mean? Like when it came to producing, and when it came to development, or it came to packaging,

Will Packer is the guy that was the definition of what that was. So from the early days of Think Like A Man, he was the guy that was the definition of what that was. So from the early days of Think Like a Man, he was the producer that came to me and said, hey, I got this thing. I want to do this thing. And I think you're the guy. And those are words, words without action are just that.

He put action behind the words. Everything he said he would do, he did. He got the people. He wrangled the directors, the actors, the actresses, the producer, partners, writers, etc. He configured a way to formulate and activate. And I was like, God damn, man, how do you do that? And he taught me. Will taught me how to do it. And as I progressed, I never forgot who he was and what he was. So our relationship today is based off of never forget. Like you don't forget the real side of like success attached to just care. He gave a fuck about me then, he gives more fuck about me now, in return I double down on my level of give

a fuck about him. So I don't want to win if I can't figure out a way to win with my brother. So the commitment that we made was, hey man, let's figure out a way to continue. Although Kev, you're doing and you have, but how do we still do? And I love the fact that we still are and we're committed to figuring out more ways to do more. And what you're seeing today is a definition of what we want people to follow through with. Like, we are no eagles. We are help your brother so he can help you. We are that.

And I think it's the best story in Hollywood if people were more privy to how deep and like in depth it actually is. Facts. Right? Real time. Real time. The Fight Night TV show, right, it shows these characters operating within a black world

where they all hold power. So to your point, Kev, how effective has that concept been for you both in the world of Hollywood? I think it hasn't been effective enough. And I think, you know, when you look at the Ice Cube and Kevin Hart of it all, the middle common denominator, Packer and, all right guys, let's do this, but let's make it,

and Cube come in and like, there's always a through line of connectivity, and that person has to be willing to go above and beyond. Fight Night is the definition of going above and beyond. All right, Kev, I got this idea. The idea came after I was supposed to do Uptown Saturday Night. Uptown Saturday Night was gonna be me and Chadwick Boseman.

Rest in peace to the legend himself. Fuck. Oh my God. I had no idea. Well, I don't want to do this anymore. I can't do that without Chadwick. That project is dead to me. Will had the actual rights to the original story, the true story.

So Will came to me. I said, Will, I can't do a comedy because of this can it be serious Can we do it in a way to where it's like a lot deeper raw real? He said Kevin absolutely Hey the podcast was points me to the podcast and he was a part of that understood etc All right shit. This is like real information now real Well, I'ma fuck with it because it's you, but let's make sure that we try to go above and beyond to package it correctly. How do we do a premium cultural piece of IP

that has the bandwidth to live forever? And you can't do that without big stars. To get big stars, you need real relationships. So the leverage of understanding that we both shared and that we had at the top of Get the studios commitment get the studio to back and support then go get the talent I gotta be honest with you My guy was a big part of all of that conversation and I followed the lead of most and I think where we were Collaborative was dope as fuck and the outcome was amazing talent

configuration and now an example of what the business should follow through with, which is collaboration. Collaboration, you can win more together. You win less as an individual. How do you put yourself in a position to collaborate more? So if we can be the example of, hopefully most will follow through, and hopefully we can do more and people will say,

oh, that's great because they do dope shit and here's an example of it. Let's do some dope shit with them. That's where I'm at in my career now. I could care less about the individual star of Kevin Hart. I'm looking for the moments. I'm looking for the IP and I'm looking for the evergreen like material. You can't do that That part is true. I will tell you that like like Kev has definitely reached a part in his career a moment in his career Where you know you've had success and it's like how do you grow? How do you work with people that you respect and how do you build a machine that then empowers others? It's interesting Charlamagne. You talked about like the world of Fight Night.

Fight Night is really about a group of hustlers, dreamers, entrepreneurs who were trying to take Atlanta and turn it into something. This is back in 1970, right? Martin Luther King had just been shot a couple years earlier. Atlanta was like seen as a small country town that had a couple of civil rights folks. Like people didn't know if it was gonna be

the next Charlotte or Birmingham, and nothing wrong with those cities, but it definitely wasn't looked at on the level of like a global superpower or New York, Chicago, L.A. It was Atlanta and it was not respected. But you had a group of folks, which is not unlike how Black Hollywood is right now, where you got a group of dreamers trying to figure out

how do we work together. Now, of course, in Fight Night, you got a character who's Kevin's character, he's a hustler, he's going, yo, give me a shot, give me a chance, I can just turn Atlanta into something great. Chicken Man. Chicken Man. Weirdly, Sam Jackson, who plays the big gangster, the black godfather, in the show,

he actually has also got a dream too, right? Even though he's a big gangster, he's running the black mafia, his dream is saying, you know what, the white man's been holding me down for a very long time, if y'all give's a big gangster, he's running the black mafia, his dream is saying, you know what? The white man's been holding me down for a very long time. If y'all give me a shot and an opportunity, I can take over Atlanta. I can turn Atlanta into a black mecca.

Oddly, even though like Kevin Sam's characters are at odds for most of the series, the reality is that they have the same kind of a dream. That's kind of how it is right now in terms of like folks like us in Hollywood in real life who are all trying to work together. Is it true that Samuel L. Jackson was really there in Atlanta during that time? Yeah, right there dog. He was at Morehouse. Sam was old as fuck. I wouldn't have said it like that Kevin. I remember we were on a call with Sam at the start of it when Sam said like yo he liked it he would do it we were on a call we going through the material seeing what Sam said about the characters Sam was like yeah man y'all gotta change a lot of the shit cuz more happened then.

I was like well Sam you know I think we got the story you know cuz we you know the podcast and everything we got the real information. He was like motherfucker I was there. He definitely did. What do you mean by that? Motherfucker that happened. He's very adamant about telling you where he was, what he knows. So the story of Fight Night got better. It got so much better as we went on. Oh my God. She is the best. By the way, you and me.

I mean since the joke with the little mic. We have never left that That stage you're the best I'm an answer them all There's a change right now I'm giving you everything I got to try to save you. I'm impressed. When you just entered that performance, I was impressed. I'm like, why? I'm telling you, I'm giving you everything I got. Because Kev never sounded like you were rambling. He always makes sense. No, I ain't going to fall off to him.

Well, Kev, did you see? Did you go ahead that feet? Did you see? We did. Look at the irony in the wall. No, man. The wall right there. Look who's over you on that wall.

Did you finish Sam and Jack? Look at this, man. And is that Chadwick? Yeah, that's Chadwick. Sam and Chadwick and Kev? Yes. Wow. How's the scale, Will, Chadwick and Kev? Wow. How's the scale, Will, as far as Kev's size?

Well, because he'd be smaller. But the point is that Are you just standing up in that photo? No, man, look at that! Kev's fucking insane! He's got no idea about that story! That story is 1000% accurate. For the listeners, if you guys go watch Don't Fuck This Up, which is a documentary Documentary? a documentary on Netflix,

about when I went through some of my worst times in the business and the things that I was juggling during the duration of that time. You'll see me and Chadwick actively meeting about Uptown Saturday Night. Me and Chadwick, before us going to the final stages, we wanted to make sure we were on the same page with the characters, the story, and the development. And Chadwick was an active producer in it. He had his partners there.

You'll see it. And don't fuck this up. The fact that y'all got a mural, right? With him, with Kevin Hart, and Chadwick, and then Sam Jackson, who he ended up making that same project with. That's insane. That's wild.

That's insane. You know what, man, and I don't do this often, but I'm gonna drink a shot of Grand Cormino to that. Kevin, you do that very often. I think that's wild. It's not a plug. It's not a plug. It's a moment of understanding.

It's a moment of understanding, and it's a moment of understanding. It's a moment of understanding. And it's a moment of celebration, man. That right there is celebratory. That's awesome. And I just want to take a shot to my brother Chadwick. Let's do it. We all do the shot. You in the after?

Come on. You said it didn't touch the ground. That was Charlamagne's idea, by the way. Well, no, he's sitting on a chair. I'm sitting on a chair. Oh, my bad, I'm sorry. I never said anything about my feet. I'm sorry.

He said it wasn't to scale. It's not to scale. I said if he's sitting down, you ought to skip the world. No, no,. I'm sorry. I never said I said I never said anything about my face. I'm sorry It's he said it wasn't to scale. It's not to scale Yes, I do this anytime will pack and come cuz he always stays family so I put hampton university You know, it's crazy a lot of old niggas that can't let college go A lot of old niggas that refuse to just accept this over envy When you when you win a cat that never went to any school at all, because he didn't go to a historically nothing. I'll tell you what, I didn't, and this is why. Like, you guys are the example of what you don't want to be.

Oh, man. It's over. When you went to HBCU, you don't let it go. Come on. Let it be known. Where did you go, sis? She didn't. Here's your sign.

Oh, I thought I was trying to. Delaware State University. There you go. That is not HBCU. Let it be known. It is. What do you mean? You go sis she didn't Yes, sir, how do you manage all these big ass personalities, bro? Kevin Hart, Roger P. Henson, Samuel L. Jackson, Don Hul. How do you do it? Yes, yes. Cheers. First, let me just, you know.

Did you drink the whole thing? What are you doing? I poured you all two big ones. Where is your lint? I was wondering. I need my glasses back on. Jesus Christ, you know. I'm a Christian. I can't be up here. I'm a Christian too. Jesus drank wine. I'm with, I need my glasses back on. Jesus Christ, you know, I'm a Christian. I can't be up here just, I'm with the family.

This is not wine. This is not Jesus can't turn this into nothing, don't you do that. We're not gonna do it on the air. Don't you do, don't you, I am a Christian. I am a Christian. Kevin, don't do it. Don't do nothing.

We're gonna talk it out. We're gonna talk it out. You better fucking drink that shot. I love the Lord. See how he does it? See how he does it? Christian Yo Stay focused Charlotte mate, I'm with'm with you listen you talked about big person That's that is the hardest part of the job as a producer You know what I mean and in real talk is it's awesome when you got somebody like Kev who gets it Who understands at the end of the day with the bigger pictures? But a lot of time I don't care if it's you know Hollywood music. You know stock market whatever it is Can you talk to them for me is what you said. How much do you argue with Kev though?

Cause he seems like he's a lot. Oh, bruh, let me tell you something. I'm the least problem that you ever have in any work environment. That's true. I'm unproblematic. He's unproblematic. I mean, the challenge with Kevin is that

he will overdo things, right? He will do things like have a show at Madison Square Garden at the same time And we have a big scene in our movie now. He's definitely He's not he's not a moderation guy. You know what I mean? That's part of the challenge So that's why I'm here on the breakfast club He eating this this turkey sandwich trying to get some grease in his gut It didn't burn you you should at least let it cool a little bit come on animal

This is what I need. Yeah. This is it. Now, what Hollywood changed is so much. This is why I can't take him seriously. Listen, he does a phenomenal job as Chicken Man, but I can't take him serious in dramas because it just always seems like he's trying to make you laugh. It always jokes, everyone.

It's always jokes. But can I tell you something, real talk, Chicken Man is his best work yet. I'm telling you, look what he's doing with his eyes. And you know a lot of people, you know, it's known that comedians, they pull from pain, right? And that's how they deflect. And that's where a lot of the comedy comes from,

Kevin, no exception. But the reality is that when he said, we gotta do this as a drama, that was a big risk because people say, all right, fight night, Kevin Hart's starting it. Let's go, I'm ready to laugh. Like you said, Charlamagne. But the reality is that this is serious.

Now you have moments of levity, but the tone, make no mistake, is dramatic. Like it goes there. I don't wanna sound like an asshole, but this may sound asshole-ish. Right? It's still Grand Kramina. It may sound asshole-ish.

You gave it to him. I did. Here's the thing. It's a big jump to the audience that watches of what a talent is doing if you're not used to it. A talent knows what's in their fucking bag. You know what you can wrangle, you know who you can call, you know what you can package and do.

The operation that tests the drama is project-based. You give me a great project, and in the project I'm supposed to be serious, and I'm supposed to have a cadence of, and it is such a great piece of material that I choose to do, I'll do it the best of my ability. That's called the talent. That's a talent's choice and a talent's decision. It's what are you fucking factoring in to you making the decision?

I'm not doing it in an environment where it won't be cool, collective, and fucking like dope. If I can't work with great people, if I can't be cool, collective, and fucking like dope. If I can't work with great people, if I can't work with great directors, great producers, great writers, then I don't wanna do it. I'm at a point in my life where it's about having a good time.

This project is relationship based. Every aspect of this project is formulated off of relationship. That's real. By the way, everybody said that too Sorry, I was just gonna say because cast like a lot of people asshole with that cast you had to back up the truck Right and by the way, you do right these folks deserve, you know And I'm very proud of the fact that you know as a black producer in the business

I definitely take care of folks that look like us and make sure that I pay them on par with their counterparts and their peers. But Kevin is absolutely right. You don't do a show like this unless you want to, right? Sam Jackson's not doing it for the check, right? And Don Cheadle's not doing it because he's available. They do it because they wanna work with certain people because the subject matter that speaks to them.

And that is very, very important. And the other thing, you know, Charlotte May, you brought up a good point that I wanna just hit on real quick in terms of like the egos and all of that, you gotta make sure that everybody understands that the ultimate goal is everybody's goals. Because once people start thinking, okay, this is for me and I gotta be focused on my own goal

and not the greater good, then you will never win. You gotta get people to work in as a team. That's why as a producer, you're like a coach, you're like a never win. You gotta get people to work in as a team. That's why as a producer, you're like a coach, you're like a general manager. You gotta get everybody to understand that their goals align with your goals. By the way, that is true in any industry, not just Hollywood. But you also need, respectfully, you also need,

you need a collaborative figure at the top to say, I'm gonna make sure that no matter what, I'm on a layer and level where everybody can understand that we're all the same. Like, I'm not coming into a project with my dick on a table for lack of a better word. I'm not, yeah, y'all know, y'all gotta be a saint for lack of a better word.

I'm saying, I'm saying who I am, what I am, I don't do that. I'm saying I'm about the greater of good for all. So I come in, hat in hand, and I bow down to all talent on the set because I'm so grateful that the talent is fucking choosing to do whatever the project is that I'm a part of. So for Sam Jackson, I bow down.

You're a goddamn legend. You should get the respect that you deserve. Don Cheadle, I bow down. Taraji, I bow down. You're a goddamn legend. You should get the respect that you deserve. Don Cheadle, I bow down. Taraji, I bow down. Terrence Howard. Was that awkward? Listen. Listen.

Listen. Taraji plays Kevin Hart's down. We call it down woman, right? She is his right hand. She is also his mistress. And so there is a scene. That language is worded better. Well, she's your down woman.

Sup, y'all. This is Questlove. And I'm here to tell you about a new podcast I've been working on with the Story Pirates and John Glickman called Historical Records. It's a family-friendly podcast. Yeah, you heard that right. A podcast for all ages.

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These are conversations you won't hear anywhere else. So make sure you go back and you check those episodes out, alright? Listen to Questlove Supreme on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Talking about yourself. He asked what it all called, bro. What I'm saying is, I have no problem with being equal. And I think, once again, I'm saying is I have no problem with being equal and I think once again I'm gonna highlight this as much as I possibly can. That's the version of the example that I want to get out there.

I want the collaborative side of our culture connecting. I want us to understand we are so much better together. I want us to understand the premium factor of us doing things we are so much better together. I want us to understand the premium factor of us doing things together is so much better than the individual trying to be one. Do you challenge yourself to do things outside of this comedy, say, I just don't want this comedic role, I want this serious role.

Do you challenge yourself or do you just take roles that come? None of it is a challenge. By the way, I'm developing the things that I do. Nothing is coming to me. I'm creating the things that I do. Nothing is coming to me. I'm creating the things, or I'm a part of the process of how it gets to the final stages. I'm at that point.

But I have no desire for the star of Kevin Hart to get bigger, I don't give a fuck. That's so gone and done with. I'm more about the success of others, the success of the entity, the success of the brand, and more importantly, the success of what we represent and what we can look back and say we did. That's bigger now than a conversation of myself.

I did it. I'm done. What else am I gonna do at this point? Now, Kevin has to go in two minutes. Five, five, actually. We gotta get it, we gotta zoom. I wanna ask both of them this. Was it hard to find someone to play Muhammad Ali

and did you ever consider Will Smith? You're kinda poor Will Smith. Very, very challenging, right? And I think that you gotta understand, obviously that's an icon, he's been portrayed before. For us, it was about finding a newcomer that wouldn't pull you out because these other characters you didn't know.

Nobody knew Chicken Man, Kamelard's character, or Vivian Taurati's character, or Frank Moten, Sam's character. But everybody knows Muhammad Ali. So I think to have somebody in that role who you had some familiarity with and who you associated with something else would have pulled you out. And we really wanted to immerse you. Even with these big stars, we really wanted to take you to a time period, right, 50 years ago,

and really drop you in and be as authentic as possible. And we paid a lot of attention to the detail and the nuances to try to get this thing right. Boy, oh, boy, did we choose right. Yeah, come on, man, this cast. And by the way, not just the big names that you know. Like, there's some cats. Oh, Dexter Darn.

Dexter Darn, you're going gonna be hearing a lot from him. There's some young gunners in this cast that you're gonna be hearing that I predict you're gonna look back and go, yo, remember when so-and-so went toe-to-toe with Kevin Hart and Sam Jackson? Dexter Dard, Melvin Gregg. Melvin Gregg, Miles Bullock, Senkwa Walls.

Chloe Bailey does her thing. Yep, Lloyd Harvey jumps in. I think you have the Yeah, my wife said that I don't think that's Laurie cuz she looks so different. Yeah No I think I think that you're you're seeing an amazing example baton passing you're looking at people that are established have been established for so long and Sam and Taraji and Terrence and Don.

And then you also have the second tier of talent that is a valuable piece of this puzzle where they're toe to toe with the big names and you don't blink an eye. You understand why everybody is there and you respect the talent on screen and you still respect the story. You, and you still respect the story. You're never taken outside of the story.

So I think that for that younger generation that we were able to onboard, it's a great example of what we want to do. We wanna be the example for the next generation, the bridge, we wanna be the example for global success four or the new star that popped on. If we're part of those stories, then how dope is that?

That's the biggest side of the conversation of one. Teresa, Celeste, Jaylen Hall, these are names you're gonna know. I know you gotta go, so to add your age to them. By the way, we're fine. You're on Zoom, you're on Zoom. I have a question of that. I was late here, I'll be late.

You were late here. You can't be late everywhere. See what I'm saying? See, this is, I'm telling you, this is, this is why I'm in his life. I'm talking about the action age to him. You're going back on the road. Big star. The action age to him. Now, well I don't know if you know, you know he kicked me out on one of his shows.

He kicked you out of it? You had your phone. I had my man. He kicked me out, they threw me out, and as they're throwing me out, I'm yelling, Kev, it's me! He goes, I know what you can't do about it. That's why we should have kicked you out. And why'd you have your phone, brother?

Come on, that's the Hampton even. You got family and kids, so you know sometimes you gotta check your phone to make sure you're good. Well, don't do it in my show. You went to the show, you knew. Come on, I gotta side with Kev on this one, brother. Come on, man. Coming to a comedy show come on

There's an attentive environment and by the way my act of my age tour. It's a very dope fucking thing going on right now It's a premium ticket with a dope experience and in that experience for an hour and a half Check out check out and laugh. Did you see it was in me? Did you know it was him? People people kill me like when you act as if rules don't exist for a dope reason. Phones are a bad experience. Phones are taking over the intimate appeal of life and lifestyle. That's true. Like your phone has checked you out of every experience.

You go to concerts, people watch the concert through their fucking phone yeah you're looking at the concert for an artist that's trying to put out new content right and then everybody can just watch it on YouTube it totally diminishes so You lock him up in that moment. And by the way. You leave and you're like, yo, that was such a dope show. I didn't even wanna throw me out though. Yeah, well you didn't have to get the fuck out of here. So you had that privilege. You had that light-skinned privilege, see? You thought, you was like, I'm Envy. You did that.

By the way, I don't even know a couple of light-skinned niggas. Yeah. He's the lightest. Envy is the lightest. Light bright. Lightest. High yellow.

Of expectation, what? Envy is one of the lightest operators of the pack. Sometimes he like, he not white. Yeah, yeah. You get confused, huh? You over here, Envy. Envy's the guy that shit happens. He got that real privilege.

He like, can you believe they doing this? And he's the one that called him. Yeah, he called him. Yeah. You gotta get on the one that called. Yeah. You got to get on the Zoom, yo. I'm fine. I'm trying to ask you. Go ahead, Lauren.

Go ahead, Lauren. Monique and Lee Daniels just did the deliverance. Yes. Are we ever going to see a reconciliation with you and her because she... I don't have a problem with that. I know that there's no problem. There's no need to reconcile.

No, but she has said that, like, I know when she was on Club Cheche and they talked about it and she was talking about the phone call that happened from your team or whatever, right? Is there ever gonna be a conversation that we hear you talk about where y'all to have another conversation about that and move forward I'll challenge your question with a better question. Go ahead. You've been doing this ever hear me talk about Anyone do you ever hear anything bad come from me? No, so information can't be one-sided. A perception can never be one-sided. It's always a duality.

It's your side versus another. And if there's not a common ground, that means one hasn't been attempted to be met. So there's no problem between me and Monique. There never will be. There's no problem between me and anybody else. There's nothing to reconcile. There's no problem between me and Monique. There never will be. There's no problem between me and anybody else. There's nothing to reconcile. There's no problem.

So all these problems that have been attached to Kevin Hart, they're one sided. I don't have a problem with anybody. I agree with that. I'm very unproblematic. It takes two people, right, to have a conflict. Because that's the reality. I can tell you that.

There's a perception that if somebody comes out and says something that me and Kevin's behind the reality, I can tell you that. There's a perception that if somebody comes out and says something that like, me and Kev is behind the scenes, like, you believe they said that? What are we thinking? We're not doing that. That's what it has to be. It's not a thing.

Social media has fucked us up to the point of what you hear is what you're forced to believe. Gotcha. You do not understand, the common ground for truth is always a conversation. And if there ever is a conversation, you're not forward-facing in a public statement, ever. Like I didn't say anything about what I did or what I did for Monika, my gestures. You never would have heard it. That's a one-sided version or reason for. And by the way, I've no rebuttal to it. I stand on the side of I'm unproblematic

and if me and Moe wanna do or could do or would do, we will but that's a me and Moe thing. Like this new thing that people are like, let me tell you something world. Yeah. That's a very like, I wanna be honest, I'm 45 years old. I'm 45 years old and I'm 45 years old. And by the way, team or not, it's not hard to fucking find me.

You know what, my schedule is online. So she hasn't hit you since all of that stuff. Me and Monique have had conversations, and those are me and Monique's conversations. There you go. Before and after. That's called adulting. I don't unadult. Yeah, so all of these new ways of Conversation and finger pointing it's very easy

You know what? Coramino's in me cuz I'm gonna say some dope shit. All right Everybody points to the fucking moon Because nobody knows what it's like to be at the moon and for the moon to look down Everybody sees it this way, but nobody sees it the other. There's only a couple people that have been down here and looked at the moon and said, I'm going and went and looked down from. So if you don't stand the version of eyesight

from both sides, well then you're nearsighted. You got one vision. I don't have tunnel vision. I have an equal vision of understanding. But if you can't understand the moon side, how do you speak as if you do? That's not life, that's not adulting. So to be a-

That was some drunk shit, but you brought it around. That was some drunk talk. You brought it around. You brought it around. You brought it around. You brought it around. You brought it around. I didn't bring the moon.

I was going for me. You brought it around. You brought it around. Hey, I can't even tell you what's happening. You want me to tell you this? I'll tell you. I'll tell you. I'll tell you.

I'll tell you. I'll tell you. I'll tell you. I'll tell you. I'll tell you. I'll tell you. I'll tell you. I'll tell you.

I'll tell you. I'll tell you. I'll tell you. I'll tell you. I'll tell you. I'll tell you. I'll tell you. I'll tell you. I'll tell you. I'll tell you. I'll tell you. I'll tell you. You don't know what's up there. You never walked up there. You don't know what it's like to be up there and look down and see what Earth is like from there.

So it's only a couple people that do. When you are on a different side of life and you speak to those that are on that side, is if you know what they're doing or why they did it, you're one-sided. You can't speak on my fucking reasons as if you know what my reasons are for. You can't speak on my business choices,

professional choices, more importantly lifestyle choices, if you don't know what the fuck my life is. But you know what, that's what I like about the movie Fight Night, right, because it seems like they show each character in the movie as a hero in their own story, but a villain in somebody else's. So you see those different personalities. It's a super complicated narrative,

which are my favorite kind, because you're protagonists, right? You're quote unquote heroes are very gray and are very flawed, like in real life. And your antagonists are people that you root for. Those are my favorite kinds of narratives. I love that, because we all know the world is not black and white, right?

And so you're absolutely right. It's about complex people at a complex time. And that's really what the show was. I'm going to ask, what makes things successful now? In conclusion, before you do that, I just want the world to get to a better place of understanding. Stop taking the bait. It's bait.

Bait is unnecessary. Like, if people really have problems, they talk amongst themselves. If there are no conversations amongst themselves, then it's not real problems. Yeah. It's that simple. No, Kev is right. Kev is big and a lot of us are on real interactions. You know what I mean?

You got a lot of people out there right now, they're trying to win the internet. You know? Win the internet. I got the most clicks. I got the most likes. Let's win real life. Let's focus on real things. So whatever conversation he may have have I may have somebody else may have and it doesn't have to be for the internet What's the biggest thing you told me to a while ago? He said, Evie shut the fuck up

Well, I'll you that because you're explaining yourself to who? Who's this? By the way, I had a conversation with this shaggy ass. Who you talking to? There's nothing that annoys me more when people do this shit right here. Everybody been asking, so let me go in. Nobody asking. Nobody asking. Nobody asking.

Nobody asking. Nobody asking. Nobody asking. Nobody asking. Nobody asking. Nobody asking. Nobody asking. Nobody asking.

Nobody asking. Nobody asking. Nobody asking. Nobody asking. Nobody asking. Nobody asking. Nobody asking. Nobody asking.

Nobody asking. Nobody asking. Nobody asking. Nobody asking. Nobody asking. Nobody asking. You have a box that matters. And we obsess on the negative. I hate to say that, but you'll post something and get 100 positive comments. Man, you walking that, you look good. But it'd be three people that'll say something sideways. And those will be the ones that you respond to, that you obsess over, that you focus on. Not the other 100.

There's not a bigger supporter for the movement of people doing good shit. And Monique, Lee Daniels, reconciling that relationship, however it happened, great. Dope for them. Did a movie together after. Great story. Dope for them. I want to see more. Keep doing great shit. The conversation, if anything else negative attached to a person's and their reservations and feelings to me I want to see nothing but good for all like I would love to see us all win I would love to see us all at a table where we all can do if it happens great if it doesn't I guess it wasn't meant to be but you can't have a fucking stance of negativity and like also like a real fucking initiative to move forward and like

Motivate inspire create or do whatever you can't be both So it's either like you're one of the other and if you are part of creativity inspiration collaboration motivation connectivity then that has to be it and motivation, connectivity, then that has to be it. And whatever you gather along the way and whoever you align yourself with along the way,

well, y'all all a part of the same story. If things fall apart through the duration of, it wasn't meant to be on that train. Some people miss a train. It's just life. Some people don't make it in time to catch the train. And the train that's gonna go is going to go. Why do you think trains can't stop fast?

They're moving. So either you're on the train or you're not. And if you didn't, catch the next train. That's life. Feel like we went back to the moon. Cause let me tell you something about my guy. My guy, you wanna talk about some impressive words? My guy Kevin, you gonna put some words on him.

I'm gonna put some words on him. 50% of them gonna make sense. What makes it successful? Cause you know, Hollywood didn't change. Before it was blockbuster movies, but now, I mean, there's so many other platforms to put your movie on. So what is successful for you now? But you know, there's still quantitative metrics

that they use to determine. Quantitative? Good for you, man. Learned that at HBCU, brother, just letting you know. He ain't never been. That's what I'm saying. Learned that at HBCU, brother, just letting you know. He ain't never been. That's how the family were. He did, I'm just, well, why is it?

Because reality is that you still have ways that you can determine how many people watched it, if the audience was into it, if they were engaged, and that stuff is important. And so that is definitely a part of what we do. Honestly though, right now, it's about, I just want people to feel stuff, you know what I mean? I want to feel like we touching the culture, you know? I

want to feel like whatever it is that we do, we don't have people feeling like we wasted their time. That's the point that we have. They drag you out. Yeah, we gotta get it. We gotta get it. Do you have colors you like to use? Well, I asked Lee Daniels as a producer, and when I say colors, I mean like artists. Are there certain artists you like to use because they're like your muse. They help you paint the picture you want.

That you would use within a piece? Why you looking like that? Kevin, why you sit back like that? This is a TV show or a film. Why you sit back like that? What does that mean? I think, well, Lee obviously is a director, I'm a producer, we're wrapping up now.

Yeah, absolutely. I think that setting the mood and the theme thematically is very important to have first of all everybody be on the same page about what the vision is going to be, right? And also to make sure that the ultimate vision fits the execution. Oh, okay. And so, you know, like, for instance, in Fight Night, we wanted it to look a certain way, right? No, I thought it was on like lightness. No, man. No, I don't think he said I thought it was on like lightness. No, man, make it color. No, he don't like light skin, but that's why he probably thought that.

I'm thinking it was a light skinned dark skin, Kev. I don't know. No, no, it wasn't that. Dark dark. Fight now. You gotta break it down, cause Kev, they coming in here to drag your ass out. Cause you were light. No, we done.

We appreciate you guys for joining us. In real talk, we You gotta do it. Yeah. Oh, we done. Okay. We're good, we're good. In real talk, we appreciate y'all. Like real talk, we appreciate you, the malleability, that's another word right there. Malleability. What does that mean? Means that they were flexible, that they worked with us.

They weren't rigid with us. If you went to HBCU, you know what that means. Well, I'll tell you what. The HBCUs that you both went to are better without you. Of three of us. I'll also say this. In conclusion, in conclusion, the big takeaways for audience are very simple man. The first one of course is Fight Night, now streaming on Peacock.

Do yourself a service and us a favor, go watch it. A very good fucking show, an amazing story that I think should have been told a long time ago, but for the city of Atlanta that we all know and love, it's a great highlight of how Atlanta got to be what it is now. Understanding the early stages of it, understanding the origin, for us all,

especially people of color, culture, we need to know. It's a great story. Eight parts, eight part limit eight part three parts out right now Dropping one per week if you're if you're like a lot of us you looking for what's that next series? I can really get into and really get into the characters and finally good. We're challenging you. Let this be a next series I would say that's that's thing one thing two. No guys collaboration Egos Thing one. Thing two, yo, God's collaboration, egos, etc. Ask yourself what version are you? What side are you on? Are you on the side of that? Are you on the side of this? Pick one.

Pick one and be that. Or identify what you are and make a change, right? The other side, hey man, this internet shit is getting out of control. It's over. It's fucking, like it's out of control. Just from an understanding of real versus not real reality and like false reality. Ask yourself, which version are you on? Are you clickbait or are you fucking real? And for real relationships, there's real communication. Without that, nothing else matters.

Nothing else matters. I didn't fucking not tell them to contact or not do. Hey man, I'm gonna push it back. I'm fucked up. The false communication would be, I can't man, just do what I'm doing. You figure out what it is and what. And then the relationship kind of falls apart based off of an idea that you are giving yourself a moment to create.

Stop it! Let's get back to a place of understanding relationships. Relationship. It's my fucking brother and I love the fact that me and my brother are great examples of what dope relationships should be. We will continue to do what we do and we'll do it at a high level and I can't wait for the world to see not only this but what the things in the future will be. Bam. That's what I want you to vote for. Lastly, I want everybody to vote.

That's the last thing I was saying. I'm telling you to vote for her, but we will be remiss if we didn't get on this platform and say that is real. It's real and these are challenging times. Make your voice heard one way or another. It matters. You can tell who you're voting for. Kamala Harris.

I'm voting for Kamala Harris. No question. I appreciate that black man. Cause we need more of us saying that. But that's my choice. That's what I choose to do. I'm voting for Kamala. No question. I appreciate that black man because we need more of us saying that That's right, but that's my choice. That's what I choose to do But you would agree with the point of vote, right, Kev? You would agree with that? I'll say, man, this time I go, they pulling me out of here. Right? My God, you know what?

Will Packer. Thank you, family. Appreciate y'all. It's the Breakfast Club, good boy. Wake that ass up. Early in the morning. The Breakfast Club. Hey, y'all.

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