The Breakfast Club - Best of full interview: New Edition & Boyz II Men Talk Brotherhood, R&B Evolution, Industry Rumors, Group Tour + More

Episode Date: December 26, 2025

Best of 2025- Best of the 90’s - New Edition & Boyz II Men Talk Brotherhood, R&B Evolution, Industry Rumors, Group Tour . Recorded 2025. YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BreakfastClubPower1051FMSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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NV. Jess Hilarius. Shulamaine Nagar. We are the Breakfast Club. Long of Rose is here as well. And we got some icons. Legends, man. And today, ladies and gentlemen, we have new addition and boys to men. Wow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Praise the energy. Let's go.

They're going on tour together. I feel like this should have been happening. Right. Why did it take so long? Who wants to start? Man, go ahead. Ah! Go ahead, Juan.

I think that there's a lot of logistics that go with having two groups, two groups with such great success in order to get that together scheduling has to be right also the you know what I mean the energy has to be right the climate has to be right and I just believe that

this is the time God put this time as the time to show the world what this whole vibe is all about new addition boys to men Tony Braxton it's a real thing and this is the moment God placed it right here

now how does boys to men feel I gotta ask because you guys they were your idols right From the story You're seeing them You know When y'all had a show in Philly Y'all come up to the bus

And y'all singing And that's how you wouldn't be here Without new addition Let's be clear on that Yes Well you know that's not actually How it went You know what I'm saying

No No no no I don't mean to I don't mean to But you know But you know Like in order In order for the story

To actually be To actually be told in a movie Sometimes you have to You know Make it all go together And sequence So it's the truth

For people I didn't see the story So there's truth to that But It was Michael Bibbins, Ricky, and Ron. They were actually coming off stage at the powerhouse. And they were in Philly. In Philly. And they were introducing that you guys were going to be BBB.

And we had just, by the time they came off stage, we had just snuck backstage. We passed, passes back and before we got backstage. And as soon as we got there, they were coming off stage. And I guess Nate asked Ricky, can we sing? for him. You know what I'm saying? And Ricky was like, y'all got the tape. He said, y'all. He said, y'all got a tape.

And we was like, no, we ain't got no tape. And he was like, well, y'all need a tape. You know what I'm saying? He started writing down the address, but then Nate was like, hey, yo, let me go to Biv. So he's like, Biv, can, you know, can we sing for you? And he was like, can y'all do it right now? Boom, we bust into Can You Stand the Rain Acapella? So it was backstage. It wasn't at a tour bus, but

you know what I mean the story nonetheless it it definitely uh resonated wow the tour bus was more exciting yeah yeah yeah yeah right right it was a lot more sexy the tour bus was sexier yeah i do want to ask you know every every artist manager or artist executive relationship has its highs and lows when you look back what was some of the biggest misunderstandings or lessons you all learned from you know each other um I guess you can say like when any relationship I mean in a group Because even when Bibb signed his years ago, it was almost like him being the fifth member at the time. And I think it was more like a dynamic type thing.

You know, we learned a lot about each other's personalities as well as just understanding, you know, how the business went. So, you know, you had your share of highs and lows and ups and downs, but at the end of the day, it's all about the... It's better as the end of a thing than the beginning of the thing. Absolutely. So it's one of those things where it's like, here we are. Look at this.

You know what I'm saying? A lot of people didn't think that this, you know, situation would even happen but as you mentioned um yeah boys the men owe a lot to new addition but this is what succession looks like you understand what I'm saying so so it's one those things where it's like these guys did what they did and they gave us the ball and we ran with it so now we can roll with it together so now we can roll with it together now how often do y'all rehearse right because it's a lot of different characters with a lot of different families with a lot of different moving pieces but people love the old dances they love to see

in sick. They love to see somebody going left, somebody going right the outfit. So how is rehearsal for y'all? That's the beautiful thing about New Edition in itself. They carry the torch of what R&B groups should look like. They are the standard.

And when it comes to this tour, we're going to show that. It's all going to be implemented in the whole production, along with Tony. So it's like rehearsals, we haven't started yet because this is our first promo run. But Once we do, we're going to lock in.

And it's going to be dope. Well, I was the smartest, though. He came in with the crutches because he knew what was going to happen. This is prep right here. I'm prepping for the game, you know what I'm saying? That might be an excuse. That's not a prep right here. It's an excuse right now.

I get through TSA quicker than y'all. And how long is the show? Because you all have so many things, individually, group, That's what you want to be. Like, how long is the show? As individuals, you know, we probably give them, you know, 90 minutes, maybe even two hours. But when you put all of this excellence together, you know, in one night on one stage, that's got to be, you know, Prince-like. You know, it's almost three hours.

It's got to be Bruce Springsteen, like, you know, three hours and some change. And I'm excited about it because how do you put that in 90 minutes? You can't. You can't. You can't. that we all have in all the joints and even the individuals that are, you know, within this conglomerant right here, I'm just excited about it. You know, we didn't start rehearsal, but Mr. Brooke Payne gave us a date for probably December 1st.

And like Sean said, when we lock in, it's going to be crazy. Who chooses the track list? Like, who do you all just all sit together? Yeah, we're going to put it all together. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, we all going to sit down and we're going to figure out how this whole thing works because it truth is again we are connected um we are from different cities but the story is the same so it's going to be deeper than just doing songs this is telling a story yeah yeah this is more so and unlike any show

that you've ever seen this isn't just about you know lights and cameras and all this other stuff we are literally brethren like from yeah yeah yeah beginning to end so we have to tell that story and amalgamate that story to make people understand why this is important this is deeper than just A genre. This is deeper than just, oh, it's just a bunch of black folks on stage. Like, this is history. Between us, New Edition, and Tony Braxton is 150 million records. Damn.

My God. So the thing is is that that has to be celebrated. And this is deeper. This is why we urge everybody to come because this is history. This is something you will never see anywhere else in decades. So it's bigger than us. Can we expound on the brotherhood, you know, between all of y'all? man, because, you know, I love seeing all of y'all together after all these years.

What have y'all learned about forgiveness and just staying together as brothers? Between new addition and boys, then. Well, I could say, go ahead, go ahead. You said, you said it before in the few interviews, talking about the fact that when you're talking about true brotherhood, it's a real true brotherhood. And we're like real siblings. And I've said that that's why you see we go through our ups and downs, our battles with them had some ups and downs and all of the above. but at this stage of our lives

when we come together, man, it's like it's just nothing but laughter. It's like at this point of our lives, we didn't been through a lot. And I'm sure there's more to deal with as far as challenges go, but we've come full circles just as grown men, just as human beings. And we have fun when we come together.

I was going to say, do y'all need to talk or y'all just like, look, we brought, let's just do this. Well, this is the deal. Again, this is the first time that we've even come together in this circumstance, you know what I mean? Other times It's been, you know, we've been on shows with BBD. We've done a few shows with Johnny and Bobby, and, you know,

and I think we did one gig that we all were together. But I feel like in order for the energy to actually get to the place where it's supposed to be something like that, a break-bred moment has to happen, you know? Some things, you know, some things that we might have on our hearts may need to come out, you know what I'm saying? I mean, that's what brotherhood is about, you know? And I'm a big fan of Aton.

guys. You know what I'm saying? I'm a big fan of letting it go, especially at the age that we're all at, you know. We got kids a mortgage. I'm trying, yeah, man, I'm trying, I'm trying, I'm in coast mode. You know what I'm saying? I'm really trying to be in coast mode. This is the time. Let's go

out, let's make some money, and let's entertain these people, and be on coast mode. That's all. What was that initial conversation? What was that initial conversation? What he was saying was, it's, it's It's one of those things where because we're on the road and because we have the time,

it's going to be one of those organic things. We don't want to make this a melodrama. It can't be. And it ain't no negativity. Ain't no mess. Like, you know what I'm saying? None of that shit. You know, excuse me.

None of that stuff. Like, it's really just about understanding how important this meant or this was to not only to the fans but to us. So this is what we're doing. We're celebrating. We're going to have a good time. We're going to go on the road

and we're going to sing and dance our asses off. Absolutely. And we're going to give people the greatest show they've ever seen in their life. And have fun doing this. That's right. Have fun doing it.

That's right. Michael, anybody ever tell you that you look like you'll got it? Yeah. We took a picture together at, what was that, babe? The BET Awards. So there's a picture of him

and I standing side by side. It was just cool to meet him, too. I think he was right out the beginning of him coming through the door. He was hustling. He was standing outside on the red collar. It was not no bodyguards and all that. So he looked like he was, he had his crew there,

but he was a little more loose. And it was good. We just looked at each other like, okay, and we just smiled. You know, we was like, oh, shit. You don't age, so y'all look like y'all could be brothers. Everybody said, I think, what's one of the kids looked at the TV and was like that?

And it couldn't figure some of my kids. I know one of my kids is like, he looked like that. Wow. Wow. know if it was shyla style it was one of them they was a little you know the it was little yeah so it was all good and shout out to him man hell of a CEO now what do you think there's missing in the R&B game right now why don't you think there's more R&B groups they're missing us yeah yeah yeah no you

know I just think the times has changed and that's the thing that we understand about time and the world is constantly going and we've seen nothing stays the same and the part of the thing is that we have to learn and have the attitude and take that mindset that, you know, you have to learn how to work, continue to do what we do and not compromise what we are, but also understand where the world is and figure out how we can fit in it because the world ain't stopping for us.

I think we live in a YouTube society and everybody's selfish. Nobody wants to share with their friends or their brothers and their cousins. Nobody wants to make a group. Everybody wants their own shit. Absolutely. Everybody wants their own money. Well, go ahead. No, I'm not going before you. I'll go right out. That is Mike got an R&B group in a cut somewhere.

No, I was going to make a point, but I, If you want to jump in, jump, I'll jump right out. No, make your point, and I'll go. I was going to say, bro, honestly, I think it started directly. I think people that are hired now, some of them don't have an eye for talent. They have an eye for their computer. Words. Sometimes you have to go in the street, like we met in the street.

You know, they're singing to be close. And I think they look at it as the hits of the computer makes them a hit group. But it's so much more to it. And back in the day, like for myself as the CEO, I stayed the two in the morning and kept looking at the pitches, listening to the music, the A&R, and the people at the office now, they're on the red carpet before the artists get there. So the responsibility and the care, the detail is missing. And if someone would just slow down and say, yo, how many times we got to look at the Grammys and not one R&B group is on the show? Right, right, right. And the first time we see in an R&B group in the last five years,

well, you know, we saw what Bruno and them did, but that was a different thing. I'm talking about someone from the hood, like a Jodicy, New Edition, Boys, Tim, and Jagged Edge, is when Juan's sons was on there, and Jesse gave them the shot. That's the first time we've seen black kids on the Grammy's ever in a long time. And that's where it starts. It starts younger.

It starts at the office, or it's going to have to come from us. I don't think people are looking for talent no more. I think they're looking for people that's just doing numbers. Absolutely, absolutely. You don't even have to have a record deal. You get the numbers and then you get a record deal. You know what I'm saying? And really just understand that there is a blueprint.

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That longevity just means that you did something very, very right. You understand? And understanding behind it is they're not looking for longevity. They're looking for the quick fix. Social media is the fastest way to become famous, but also the quickest way to lose everything. You know what I say? I say, like, everybody's obsessed with going viral

and not understanding a component to the word viral is virus. Exactly. Like, why would you want to be a virus? Like, there's two things that happens to viruses. One, they get killed. Yeah. Or it kills everything. like why would you want to

why would you want to base your career off of going viral like there's no future in that right and that's what the industry is taught Sean honestly I would have went second on that question but I think we should ask Ralph what do he think is missing

because no but let me finish I'm going to tell you why the responsibility of being up front is even something that's in you you're born with and I feel like that question you got to ask yourself when he sits and watch a group of YouTube

he's looking to see who reminds him of himself who's got that route treasman so Rizzo take the mic and tell us what do you think of us there it is what was the question what's missing in R&B what's missing about the groups in R&B like what's missing there's a lot missing the game is all

changed it's not even the same place that we were in when we started so everything has changed in R&B man Can you hear me? Yeah I'm sorry

It seems like everything Has changed man Nothing's how it used to be You know When we're out here Trying to think about Something in particular That can bring it back

Like it used to be And I don't know I don't have no answers With all that I just feel like It's evolved But you know It's interesting

Even you know For Biv to say Ralph was the lead Because you were to lead Technically But then Bobby went off And was a great leading man

And Johnny was a great leading man And BBD had success like all of y'all could have been a leading you know man he's talking about how i started all off a candy girl okay okay michael jackson right analogy can new edition candy girl jackson that vibe is what mike speaking on and during that time period it wasn't a whole lot of um examples for us we just had what was in front of us or behind us and trying to take what we had learned and make something new out of that yeah exactly and not adding what was going on in the current times.

You know what it is? The streets popping. Hold on one second. Yeah, yeah, go ahead. And I just think that back when we first started, what motivated us, what influenced us, the artists, you know, the Temptations, Blue Magic, the Jackson's, is that that's not the motivation today. Before we even, like, knew anything about how to even get a record deal, because that

was actually the furthest thing from my mind. There was no way that you do that to approach that. So our main motivation was how do we put on a good show? and we rehearsed probably for a couple of years before we even stepped on the stage and we were more excited about making the crowd scream than actually making a new record and so now today like Sean said

the motivation is how do I become famous not really about how do I put on a good show but it has to feel good like I send Biv videos of my daughter seven years old singing new edition records which is crazy because it's the music is a feeling And I feel like sometimes you don't get that with these artists. Like, music doesn't last the time that it does. I think that's a big piece of what's missing.

But I think of it, it's love. Like, when we came up, it was a lot of love. A lot of love. And it seems like love is not a part of the major, the topics now. It's not. It's not about, it's not even the music. It's not in the approach toward when you, the passion that we had, we had love for this. We wanted to do what we saw the Jackson's doing.

We really wanted to make it happen. You wanted to be great. The industry, the industry, the industry. industry doesn't groom legends anymore. They don't groom longevity anymore because it doesn't benefit them. Like, think about it. When you have a company and you know that you can go viral with a kid for 15 minutes, get your ad revenue, and then kick them to the side and then move on to the next thing.

That's a good moneymaker than anybody, I would think. You know what I'm saying? And the artists suffer. Yeah, but the bottom line is that the artists suffer, but the artists still have the hand. And what I mean by that is, lot of the things that we don't like about you know because i'm being on group chats with a lot of producers and managers and stuff like that and they complain about the same thing and my thing is change it just change it stop doing stop chasing the carrot like because everybody wants to

try to fit in the system knowing damn well it doesn't benefit them right so the music industry isn't an industry without the music so so change it change the paradigm change how music is consumed change, you know, who has the power to create that next thing and then hold it. So these industry people don't try to put their grubby hands on trying to make it like a, you know, a viral thing or, you know, whatever. It's partially our fault because we fell into the whole system. And all we got to do is change it, period. Now, Bobby, with so many hits, how many hits are you going to do on stage?

Oh, man. To the mic. because that's the time where everybody can take a break you have so many hit record singler like how are you giving us a break Bob? Give me a break

I don't I don't know it's up it's up to Brooke and it's up to you know the guys how much they want me on the stage I don't I don't plan to do no more than the next man I know that

right Keep the work load. Don't play me. Don't split this work. Don't play it. We don't split this work. Trust me. You know what I'm saying?

All right. Okay. So for Boys Demand, how long did it take y'all to complete a whole song in the studio? Because you, when I say when the songs be going off, you'd be like, no, no, I got some more. Mm-hmm. How long did it really take for y'all?

That was back to the day, seven-minute songs back to the old. I'm going to be specific with it. The Christmas album that I bump all year around. Thank you. Superpretations. Wow. Thank you so much. My favorite Christmas

I play it all year round. How long did it take y'all to complete a single song? Well, I'll tell you this. It took us two weeks to do the Christmas album. What? Yeah, that's all the time we had.

Two weeks, that's all we had. And we recorded it in Europe. London. In London, yes, with Brian McKnight. We sat there because we were on tour. We were on tour in London, right? Yeah, and we had to meet a deadline. Yeah, we had to meet a deadline.

And we sat in there. Of course, we wrote songs on the road, you know, like, Sean would call me to his room. He had Joyous song. I came up with Why Christmas. Nate had a cold December nights. Mike did, uh, no, Mike was cold December nights. Nate had, uh, what was the record?

Share love. Share love. So, yeah. So the idea, like, literally to do a new standard Christmas album was, it was grueling because we didn't have much time, but we wrote the hell out of that. Like, every aspect of it was straight from, you know the soul

you know what I mean it was real real moments so we didn't want to make it all like you know jingle bells you know what I mean we wanted to make it we wanted to make it so that so that we can feel it you know what I'm saying so that you could actually

play that John straight yeah you know what I'm saying no skips yeah you know once the standards come and play you know of course you can make choices but when you have new Christmas records that people falling out with that's the only choice That's why we decided not to make another one.

Yeah, yeah. If y'all don't need to, please. But if y'all don't need to, because that's one of my favorite albums. Thank you. Appreciate that. Johnny Gill. Why did you kill Give Love on Christmas Daylight? Because that's my favorite Christmas song.

Like, y'all was singing these Christmas songs. Like, women were leaving y'all. Because they were. That's all I had to give. I didn't have money back then. All I had was loved to offer. What is it like for y'all when y'all are, you know, on stages and doing the different things that y'all are doing? And you run into people like Jess who are still filling the music so impactful, but also different generations and things are being recreated TikTok and all these different places.

It's the biggest compliment ever. Yeah. The fact that these songs out are older than some of our kids and people are still enjoying them. And it just is proof positive of, I guess, the work that we put in. and the type of music that'll last way after we're gone. Again, what Ralph was saying is we do this for the love. We did it for the love. And we continue to do this for the love.

I mean, it's nice that we get paid well for it. But ultimately, what you're going to see and what people are going to witness on stage is love. Why we do what we do? And I wanted to touch, too, about how the fact that the industry is made not reaching back to history uncons. cool. It's like when I see a lot of like young kids like talking, they talk about that's that old shit. Yeah, but that's that good shit. You know, the, the reason why songs last as long as

they do is because just like Ricky even mentioned, like their idols were the Jackson's and Blue Magic and the stylistics. Like you got to reach back to history to understand how to move forward in the future. And the bottom line is that a lot of these kids don't understand what was, which is why the sound of it and let's be honest because y'all radio folks y'all know the sound quality is different

y'all know it don't hit here it's just a bunch of sonics it's just a bunch of drums and sound effects it makes you pop but it don't make you feel when I do R&B parties right

your records ring like newer records even more to the point where it's like I'm watching people do the dance and can't I stand the rain dance And this is festival.

So it's like with different groups, I would say with y'all, definitely Mary J. Blas. It hits different because those songs keep going. And these are younger kids. These can be 21-year-olds. These can be 19-year-olds in college when we do these parties. But it still hits that makes me happy. What's the kids say about low frequency? Like a lot of the songs, unfortunately, not all of them, but a lot of the songs have very low frequency.

It's the reason why these songs that we've done for the past, what, 40 years, fellas, like a some odd. You know, but that they still ring true because, again, it still has that thick analog feel to it. Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? I'm saying something right now. In 2012, my baby father played me

Mr. Telephone Man, and that's how I got a baby right now. That's what he got me. That's that easy. I was going to ask, so you talked about, Sean, you talked about the, it not being cool to throw back to, like, you know, legends and iconic moments of music. How much of the business has made it where that's why the kids are doing that? And has it made it hard for you guys trying to do business because of that feeling? Well, first of all, let me say, just to answer the last part, our business is doing well. And this is the crazy part, too, that a lot of people don't get.

because we're not always on the front pages of certain websites and things that nature that they don't think that we're doing well as you look around you see everybody's skin glowing yeah man come on new come on stop playing with us so on that note yes yes yes yes yes channel just said 100k yes ma'am so congrats we're good you call them and try to book them and see their numbers And that's the thing The industry has got everybody so gas To think that, yo, if you're not on this particular platform

Then you're not doing well And again, this is this is proof positive Like we're about to do arenas 30 dates I love it We're fine Let me say Again Let me say this like honestly

MB It means a lot to us When you're in New Orleans And you make that call 20 minutes before we hit the stage and say, Bib, leave me some tickets. He's always in the front, singing and stepping with us. And that means a lot. And I thought that was part of what you asked.

What do we feel when we see y'all? It feels good, bro. Because you're not being, you know, the radio guy, the party guy. You're being someone that enjoys the music. And that's probably why your tickets is always there. Yeah, but this group is one that I see every time y'all in town or every time I'm in town because it gives me that feeling. I can see you once.

I can see you twice. I know the dances. You know, if somebody gets hurt, I can't jump in for y'all. I just can't say, I can't say that. I see him to move, and I don't think he should. I'm just saying like this. My question is, is there a song that you guys hate to do that? Like, I just don't want to do that song.

Oh, boy. Y'all looking at each other. See, I know it was one. Still is the night. Into the mic. What you say? Into the mic? I'm sorry.

And it's still of the night. I hate that song. You hate that song? I'll tell you why he hated it. Wow. So we're in Salt Lake City We were on tour And the record label

I'm sure Biv has something to do with this shit The record label called And was like, yo We need a record for the Jackson's mini series And we wanted to be in the still of the night Now we could think of so many other records That we would have been excited to do

You know what I mean But they wanted in the still of the night So okay It's a very easy record guys you know what I mean of course with our harmony structures we kind of we kind of do it a little bit different because it's not the regular triad but um

the issue is is nobody wanted to sing the lead it was a day off in Utah and we wanted to go snowmobiling exactly right so nobody wanted to sing the lead so any right right right no no no hell no we don't want to sing the lead because it's in the still other night right so we flipped the coin

That's how we did every, that's how we, that's how we cleared every altercation, every situation, we would just flip a coin. And Nate won. And we left. Oh, we left the studio. Oh, we left his ass right there. We left him and he did our parts and flipped the coin and who was going to sing lead, Nate one. And we left. We love you.

I don't even remember, bro. I was so pissed off that day, bro. I'm looking out the window at snow cat mountains and shit and I'm like hilarious He's still traumatized Is there someone

that new edition he hates to do? Yeah, I want to know that Yeah What song y'all hate to do? I love doing it if it is in love But I don't like doing it if it is in love Because it's like By the time you finish like this

You're like to Bob tell him why you don't like Doing if it isn't it is a lot I don't like to do the dance thing I don't like to do the dance steps a real difficult. I dig it. I dig it. For me,

it would probably be, you're not my kind of girl. What? Yeah. And it leans in on the dance side. There's just one move that we do what I'm going to like. Later on, my ass hurts every day. Are y'all reinventing dance moves then? Like things y'all not going to touch this time around on the stage? Yes, we are definitely going to.

We do want to give people a different experience. Like Envy said, some of the classic stuff that people have come to know us for if it isn't love, maybe even you're not my kind of girl. Some of those things we're going to keep in place. We might add some variances. But I think people want to see us do something new and fresh and different. And we're excited about the challenge of coming up with those things for whether it's the poison and breakdown or every little step, you know, where people might understand in the aisles,

like Mike said, they're anticipating the move, but we're going to throw a curveball this time around. And that's what it's all about. I think the reason why we've been able to stand the test of time for 40 plus years is because we've always challenged ourselves, you know. We always really felt like we had to go deep because the bar was raised for us from some of the greats that we used to love to see and when they poured into us i mean lakeside we would stand on the side of the stage every night when we were on tour with them just taking that energy in

i remember times where my uncle would have a sit indian style on the floor you know in a little meditation pose and he would play the jackson's live album and he would tell us to close our eyes so we can ingest you know what that was and it's paid dividends so we'd definitely want to give people a different experience. But you can't do everything. As ball players get older, they even got to adjust their game. But their body just not going to have to do. That's right. Thank you.

Listen. You got to I appreciate the same bond in 20 years. I put up 25. You got to tell Brooke that because he ain't not trying to hear that. They want the same look from 21. He'd be like, you try. You try.

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City man Right It's something that you all appreciate about each other now That you probably took for granted back there Matt you, Matt you go I think everybody's gifts You know

I think back then we didn't realize How talented I don't think back in the days We realized How talented everybody really was And what they had to bring to the table What the actually I had to offer When we first started

We was trying to do like a mixture of the Jackson's meets the temptations that was our idea of us so everybody was supposed to have a role when we came with the Candy Girl album was more of this Jackson 5ish vibe which we would have switched it out the gate

it would have came in the gate a little bit more with everybody's talents being showcased out the gate so I think that what I've learned is the brotherhood how smart everybody is

how much they actually added to the table and brought to the table that you take for granted because everybody's supposed to do their part We just taught you do your role. But then you look back later on, it's like, what if that,

he didn't know how to do that or he didn't have that given? This might not have worked at all. But that's what I've learned. I've learned that everybody's gifted and extremely smart and knows exactly what we're doing. It has gotten better over time, and we're really a real brotherhood. What about y'all?

I think that in the beginning of our career, we actually, we were groomed, you know what I'm saying, by great people. We had, you know, Michael Bivens, we had Kyle O'Roundtree, we had Gerald Busby, and a lot of the things that they were doing was cultivating what they already knew existed. At some point, and Mike would tell you, you know, they didn't know what to do with us because we weren't doing what everybody else was doing at the time. So, you know, when it came down to it, it was more so, you know, knowing what we were capable of. vocally because that's what the nucleus was. How good can we be with our harmonies? How can we set

ourselves aside from the rest of the people that are singing at this time? And, you know, I think that that was what we focused on more than anything. We didn't really get into the brotherhood until, I guess, things started going awry. You know what I mean? Because there's not a, there's always levels to this, you know, it's ups and down. So when things started getting to, a certain point, I think that's when we said, okay, now we have to hold on to each other. Now we have to hold on to the brotherhood. And as you can see, we're a lesser brother. You know what I'm saying? Because when the chips are down, you know, that's a real thing. You know what I'm saying? Everybody has to stay as strong as you did in the beginning when you

were doing it for nothing. You understand? So that's what it is. And we just started realizing when things were at a certain level that we needed each other more than anything. We already knew what we were capable of. I mean, and we gave each other roles all the way from the beginning. I mean, Nate's always been the business guy. You know what I mean? Sean's always been kind of like the creative and the balance of it all.

And I'm just a crazy motherfucker. You know what I'm saying? You know what I mean? And, but them, because I have a responsibility to the integrity of my group, I had to bring that down. And that was because I had people like Brooke and, you know,

they saw it. And, and, in their realm, and they were like, okay, let's bring him in. Let's bring him back so he don't end up in a different way, you know what I mean? And no bull crap, I'm going to tell you this, my dude, the dude that saved my life in numerous instances that he don't even remember is this guy right here. You understand? Yep, he has. And because Carlisle used to say it all the time, you ain't going to be like that motherfucker.

Remember that name? He was Get your feet off the wall I promise you I promise you ain't gonna be like that motherfucker And I was like but I love him You know what I'm saying Like that

And and and And it was a unspoken connection Until I met him And then he literally We'll tell that story another time But this guy right here man He's checked on me Even when like he wasn't in new edition

You know what I'm saying He checked on me like Yo dude you went an ATL I'm like Hell yeah, you know what we're doing, you know what I'm saying? But that's the thought process. The thought process is everybody got us to a certain point. It was up to the ups and the downs, the struggles to create the nucleus that boys to men is right now,

to know what we are all capable of. And we all play our roles perfectly, which is the reason why God has blessed us to be so successful at this point. I want to go back to something Ralph said when you talked about, you know, leaning into everybody, you would lean into everybody's talents earlier. when everybody broke off and had success outside in the audition did y'all ever look at each other and be like now i didn't know they could do that like i didn't know bbd could do that i ain't know bobby could do that not me i was ecstatic every time something blew up and somebody was winning i was ecstatic i was at home

like there you go that's bobby was the dance entertainer master in our project absolutely you know when we grew up i just knew he was better than all of us at dancing and entertaining and just just being live you know what i'm saying he was that dude And so not the world Not being able to see that As a part of our group That was a big dynamic missing So when he stepped out and he did it

It's like yes They get to see that We have that in us too Because there was a lot of stuff That was becoming real candy girl Real them boys is real soft Or this Yeah bubble gum

And we don't get bubble gum So you don't hate it But you don't like it even Right So having other parts Because them when BBD started representing And Bobby started representing Johnny's in the group now

He's doing his thing with his grown master. He's just turning everything to what we, I really knew what we had and letting the world see it. So for me, it was just finally the world's getting a chance to see what we're really made out. Ralph, let me give you all y'all flowers and say that there's been no group white or black that has done what new addition is done. Ever, not to me, not for us. There's never been a group alive, past, present, or probably future.

Come on, man. That has been a group, broke up, all and went, platinum, came back again, and went platinum again. Wu-Tang the only one. Yeah, Wu-Tang is the only one. Literally. Yeah, that's it. So I just want to just put that out there.

Like, they've done something that is unprecedented. And the only way that that could possibly happen is if we make it happen. We can help. If we can help a group get to that point, then that's the only way. They have to follow the blueprint. If they're not going to follow the blueprint, then it's not possible. You can't be successful without following what we've done. Exactly.

And speaking of that, Juan Moore, Big Boy, Chulow, Ty, Rocco, your boys, man. I love them. Thank you. So you all going to do that for them? I mean, because I'm talking about them boys got the voice already. I tell you what, I am so ready to tap in. And, you know, God bless them definitely, and they're passionate about it. And with different opportunities that come my way, I'm going to definitely make sure

that you know we we we tap in you know what I mean oh man thank you so much when you think about some of the things that allow you to be successful you know is discipline yes and they have discipline they do and then on top of the discipline you have to have consistency absolutely that's something that we had as rick said yes early in our career before the opportunity presented itself you know we were prepared because of the consistency consistency over time Rehearse, rehearse, rehearsing. We see them putting their videos out, making sure that they're staying consistent,

working on their craft, you know that they have to give. And I can't wait for them to touch the stage that we're going to be on. We've got to definitely make that happen. Oh, man, come on. Let's go. You know what, too, Charlemagne? Like, there's quiet storms in our group. And you guys just really get to hear the music and the concert.

You don't get on the conference calls where the shit really goes down. Right. You don't come in the dressing room where this shit really goes down. But I would just say this, and Rizzo, you know, he's always going to say it so eloquently because that's how he speaks. But, you know, Rout's important when he shows up to do the show. It gives us a sense of strength. When he walks through the door, it's like Brady coming through the door. Yes.

It is what it is. And, you know, when Bob is hurting or his leg, and he's just like, fuck it, let's go. I'll just stand over here. He's like, basically, I can't do that shit, but I'm going to rock this bike of phone. And that means everything to the audience, right? When we're trying to make a decision, you know, big bro Johnny Gill, he's a heavy voice in our group. You know, he's older, he's wiser, he's not just a singer, but he's a leader by conversation. And he keeps us at a high standing.

It's just some shit we're not accepting, and that's just that. And in prayer, that's Mr. Ricky Bell. Whenever we need to hear a good kind word, he'll close the call. And that's so powerful to keep us together. And of course, you know, bro over there when he was speaking about the dance moves, it's because he makes us reach for excellence.

And that's Ronnie. You know what I'm saying? When we want to just go sit down, grab some water, nah, no, let's go two more times. And you see that in his performance on stage. So I was just going to say, what makes us tight what Ralph said is everyone brings something to the table

and I want to say it on the breakfast club because I don't know when we'll all be back here together hold on Mike before you get past it I'm not done let me get to your slot before you finish and Mike slot is the point guy thanks Rizzo he hands the ball to everybody

he carries the ball he knows the next play to make he's thinking in the next play to make and he knows who to deliver the ball to make sure that we get we score the basket you know what I'm saying we win the game yeah thanks well that's Bill And I want to say this because it ain't over, but because of this guy, you know, he's matured.

When I met him, he was just ready to sponge, get all the information. But if it wasn't for Nate Morris, I would have never been a CEO. Really? He's seen something in me that I didn't see him myself. So I always wanted to tell him. I tell him in Texas. I tell him on the phone, but I'm going to say it to the world. Thank you.

You changed my life. He helped me see something I didn't see. I was 19. I know my words in cursing was heavy. But that's because I loved y'all. I wanted y'all to be the best. And I just want to say y'all... Y'all niggins can't dance.

One, stop. I got a few more those guys. No, come on, Juan. I got a few more. It's too early. Come on. Let me finish. Let me finish.

Oh, my God. What did you see, Nate? What did you see in bed? I mean, I just, it just seemed like from the outside. looking in you got to remember we we weren't in the industry at the time but you know from the outside looking in i saw what what ralph just said you know what i'm saying it just felt like he was a guy that kind of held the group together he had you know put everybody in different positions and at that point i felt like you know it's a group that we look up to i mean honestly

and i mean i i've never never told mike but i mean he did he was my first hero in the music industry i mean that's pretty much what it was so For me, it was like, if he can do that for them, you've got to be able to do it for us. Man, that's crazy like that. You're not too right there. I thought they was going to be at blows. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, how about this?

Hold on. Real quick, but I'll tell you this. We might be able to make. Here's a deal. We're going to have our conversation. We ain't straight, but we know we ain't straight. But we all know We're going to go get this money

We're going to please these fans And we're going to figure out what we got to do Either we're going to fix it Or we not But we all going to go out here And do what we go out here I'll figure you next That's a smarter move to do it you

Well let me ask a question Biff If you could go back And renegotiate that first deal With boys and men With everything you know now What would you do differently? That's a good question I think

Honestly That's a good question No honestly I think some of those deals was something that Gerald suggested See, he's the one that said be an executive He said do a production

Do publishing I didn't even think like that You know what I mean And at the same token He was totally against it He didn't really like boys to me You know So I'm fighting for them

To be heard and to be seen He's helping be structured stuff And I thought that It was a gamble And the thing is like we never had a lawyer sit in the room with us when we signed it was just us

we signed in Nate's bedroom his mom made turkey sandwiches and we went through the paperwork and we just did it the good thing about it is it was successful right and the record label honestly the record label needed a hit to keep the lights on

and we motherfucking kept the lights on yeah we did all right we was thinking about say less and then sold them So the thing is this, even in all of that, what was the easier way to do it was 50-50. Now, remember, and their 50 is for them, and my 50, there's one. And so a lot of the stuff that might, you know, look a little different later is through success.

So a lot of that stuff there might have been the things that made it look a little crazy, made it feel a little different. I love you, bro. But that shit was crazy. Yeah. but at the end of the day what was able to come out of it and what was able to we didn't fail or we wouldn't be here

I was going to say Mike and the follow that was your mentor and just like what you know we were talking about earlier about the guys talking about us being their mentors and it's so funny because when you influence or you're being taught the game you're rocking with the game

you're rocking with it and you're learning as you go but I can say this in a nutshell listen we all have been through a journey, been through some ups and downs and changes and turnarounds in our lives. And when you look at where we are today, we're blessed.

We're all blessed. And guess what? So what we had to go through to get here at the end of the day here, I'm not mad at anybody because this is like looking at God and smacking them in the face because you're saying, I'm mad that you took me through this to get here to what I am today.

I'm grateful. That's right. I'm grateful. And nobody has walked the road and that has been easy and that has been just that simple. It doesn't work like that. Yeah, I agree.

I agree, totally. I agree, Johnny. But, you know, under the circumstances, as human beings, you know what I mean? Yes, sir. Emotions mean everything. As human beings, you know, you have thought process. We have to respect the human in each other because it might be easier for some people to get over things than others.

You know what I'm saying? Like for me, you know, my getting over it is very simple. I was the youngest and I lived in the projects. This man saved my life. You understand? He gave me an opportunity. the grace of God. God saved my life through Biff. He gave us the opportunity. So in my mind, he did what he was supposed to do for me. It was up to me to go the next place. It was up to us

to do that. And we did, you know what I mean? Under the circumstance of forgiveness and all of those things, a communication that is everything, you know what I mean? And it does not take away from the fact that you guys are our heroes, our mentors, you understand. It's all going to be that way. And again, And like I said, I don't, I don't speak much because I'm only going to speak about stuff that matters. But in this case, like I said, you know, we've been able to be in the nucleus that we've been for the last few years. And like Juan said, we all just got into the room together for the first time in a long time. And that's a feat in itself. I'm investigative journalist Melissa Jeltson.

My new podcast, What Happened in Nashville, tells the story of an IVF Clinton. clinic's catastrophic collapse and the patients who banded together in the chaos that followed. We have some breaking news to tell you about. Tennessee's attorney general is suing a Nashville doctor. In April 2024, a fertility clinic in Nashville shut down overnight and trapped behind locked doors were more than a thousand frozen embryos. I was terrified. Out of all of our journey, that was the worst moment ever. At that point, it didn't occur to me what fight was going to come to follow. But this story isn't just about a few families' futures. It's about whether the promise of modern fertility care can be trusted at all. It doesn't matter how much I fight. Doesn't matter how much

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If I would say, even with whatever might be, whatever we'll handle or deal with whatever, it's a feat in the self. There's a lot of groups out here today that, you know, get emotional about things and don't know how to handle business correctly. Right. And the key is you handle business first, and then you handle your family stuff in the back room and not on the Internet in the media. So, with that being said, again, it ain't nothing but love in this room. Whatever else we're going to deal with, we'll deal with it. I mean, I love the fact that your guys are coming together, right? Because you all have had individual battles in the press and the public and the group and all that.

But the fact that you look at how many, you know, even rappers and R&B singers on this wall, that's no longer here. The fact that there'd have been so many should have or could have or, damn, that would have been dope. Y'all are actually pulling it off. Like, that could have been is going to happen on this tour. That's why this is important. See, that's two amazing groups that can really sing and can dance. Well, Biv said y'all can't dance. But singing dance to pull off this show is amazing.

And it ain't a small beacon theater. No disrespect to beacon theater. Y'all do you're doing arenas. So for that, we applaud y'all. And I know I'm so excited to see y'all. I'm going to be on the side of the stage. Just the case one of the members ain't there. I know all the song from both groups.

If y'all need me, we'll have your uniform ready. Because it's about to be reverse racism because I don't see that many light skin, brother. That's why they were so successful. And he ain't even that light skin. He ain't that light skin. Hey, but you got to give me blacks over there in the middle. Ronnie passed for black. My wife says it's peanut butter.

There you go. Are y'all helping boys and men develop their biopic? I remember there was rumors of a boys and men biopic at one time. No, that's not a rumor. It's happening. We need to see that. I mean, we're still in the embryonic stages of it, still trying to get things together

because we want to make sure that the story is told the right way because there are a lot of things that by design, we have not said. There's been a lot of things that's been mentioned about the group and said about the group and things of that nature of that. We just kind of watched the laugh and kept quiet. You know what I'm saying? Because, you know, it's funny how certain people in the industry

tend to think that they could score points on us, because maybe we don't because oh Jesus Christ I'm going to say now but my point is that a lot of people tend to try to score points on us because we're not affiliated with a gang or we wouldn't roll up on somebody

and because we don't say nothing and we don't say nothing we keep it quiet busy I'm too busy because and a lot of the things that that are said is hilarious to us especially because when you see the people that are actually saying it you got to always consider the source

and when you see their positions and the lives they're living and things that nature outside of all of the shock value of oh somebody said this if you look a little deep you say oh okay that's why they said that

now you know the thing about the industry though is that everybody knows everything about everybody yeah if I wanted to come on this radio show and talk about certain people I know I could

Because I know exactly what happened Who did it the whole nine yards Or do you Or just ain't those type of people Or do you and that's the issue You know what, Sean Is we're in the era where You could just reply with your fingers

Right Say what you say You could tell someone Meet me at such and such Whatever right But you gotta look at it this way Within the nine of us I'm sure all of us

Have been through something And learn something And I would say this Sitting next to Bob He might have some of the tough skin i've ever seen any individual has and the one thing i never seen but bob also used to fuck people up though yeah but i was going to hold on hold on hold on this what i'm going to say this one i'm going to say but i've never seen bob really wild out the way you may say it i'm just

saying i i hear people say shit to bob to me and i say to myself i like the way he carries himself and Sometimes you got to pop off. But I'm just saying the skin is deep. And we got that somebody in our group. That is what you're talking about. Because shit, the shit he got to hear when he's sitting on with his kids. That shit just don't feel good to the soul. And as brothers, we check somebody when we're around someone and say,

no, no, no, no, I'm a nigga. You can't do that. We're not going to do that. And you're supposed to do that if he's there or not. That's brotherhood. The issue is not us, though. You know what I mean? It's the people.

you know what I'm saying everyone has an opinion you know what I mean they call it social media but there's nothing social about it at all you know what I mean? The thought process about it is when someone says something about you it's fine

especially if it's true I don't care but I'm tired of people lying about us they lie about us and we never say nothing well I got a messed up knee I got three screws in it and and I'm

I mean, I'm getting myself together. Before you go there, I want to get him an example of how we don't say anything. Like, people have been talking about our fourth member forever. Oh, y'all did this to him. Y'all kicked him out. He was sick. Y'all ain't give a shit about him. Y'all don't know the story.

And that's okay because we keep that in. But I tell you one thing we've never done. We've never said anything about him until the latter years to make sure that man, if he's not here, if he's not here, he can have a career. Absolutely. We don't want to stomp on him. You don't do that. So we don't do that. That's not, I mean, I'm the least social media guy on the planet.

Yes, yes, he is. There's no need for, I don't live in that space. So there's no need to go in there and deal with all the craziness because we're going to handle ourselves. So when someone is doing that and telling stories, like literally fabricated stories, I feel like it's just felt like time, you know, time to defend the integrity of my group, of my fellas, myself, you know what I mean? And, you know, look, I'm not going to say. boys to men we were the cleanest niggas on planet earth, you know what I'm saying? We did some stuff, you know what I'm saying? A lot

of people, you know, I'm pretty sure we piss some people off, you know what I mean? No, I did. Right? But at the end of the day, we were trying to protect our brand. We were trying to protect it. We didn't have Michael Bivens over us anymore to protect us. We didn't have Kyle Lil Roundtree.

He got murdered. You know what I'm saying? We was trying to figure out all kinds of things managerial. We had Michael Jackson and Prince telling us to know your worth. And don't let nobody get over on you. You know, so we, we developed a chip. A chip. We started looking at everybody and like, oh, no, you're not going to do this to us.

You're not going to do this to us. So when they hear our voices, because we were so silent because everybody else was doing it for us, now we're assholes. You know, you understand? Just because we're sitting in the studio and we're working on a project does not mean that we're going to be consorting. That's not what boys to men do. When we're in the studio, we work. We don't have time to play games.

You know what I'm saying? because we have to please these fans, you know? So when someone is saying, you know, that we said something as specific about a friend of ours. We don't need baby face. Yes. Who I just talked to today. Come on, man.

And I saw you jump in the comments at the clip soon and say, maybe what you said, but so why now even address that if you know it's not true? Because I got time. I got a broke, messed up knee. I was sitting on a damn cop. I was sitting on the damn couch. I couldn't get up. I couldn't drive.

I was watching cartoons and playing PlayStation. And I saw that shit. And I said, hmm, this will be fun. And guess what it was? It was very fun because I got a chance to let the people who really cared on that page know that it was a lie. Now, you could choose to take it for wherever you want. I'm just trying to figure out where it came from.

I never said anything derogatory about chili. if you read the comments, I said, I love those girls. I said, we have history together. I'm just trying to figure out what happened. I mean, we heard that Tion said after the past of my thing, I ain't stand for this corny-ass shit, corny-ass show. That's what, you know what I'm saying? And I'm like, why?

I love you. We love y'all. Like, the nostalgia when we walk into the room, they jump into our, I mean, Chile used to jump into our arms. It's like, what's good? At the end of the day, we're just going to sell some tickets. There you go. Because to be honest with you, this, where we are,

and what we're trying to do, we're trying to inspire. Absolutely, absolutely. And you guys' movie is going to be a great movie. It's going to be from your point of view. Your fans are going to love it. And we just want them to come to this. So they could see us together because we've never done this. Absolutely.

You know, and this is really our first interview. So the Breakfast Club is really the first interview of us all together. History makes it. Perfect. That's it. Can I just say to you guys, to boys and men, let me just say this and I'll shut up.

But I'm glad that you guys are telling your story because in a world that we're living in now with social media and everybody can get on here and say what they want, ruin people's lives, throwing your reputation. They can do a number of things. It is important.

No, you can't fight the whole world. No, we'll never be able to change. Sometimes people of view, no matter whether it's the truth or not. But when it comes from the horse's mouth and it's written in stone, it can't be erased. It can't be erased.

tell the story. So if nothing else, at the end of the day, with your legacy, anybody want to believe whether they want to believe, that's all, it's all well and fine,

but it has come from the horse's mouth directly and it's written in the story. Amen, Johnny. Yeah, so the answer, yes, we're working on the biopic. Viv is definitely going to put his input into it and work it out because he's part of the story. Mike McCarrie is going to have his input on.

You know what I'm saying? That is our brother. Because it's everybody's story. It's everybody's story. It's everybody's story. But the stuff they won and everybody was touching on, man, Corny, the cornball.

I'm like, Nathan, like, I didn't get none of that shit. I know. Hey, hey, he don't internet. He don't, he don't, he don't, he on social media at all. I feel you, bro. I live in the real world. Yeah. Nothing on there has nothing to do with me.

I don't know none of those people. I tell my son, you might just open the front door and just let everybody walk in your house. How many fights do you get into on tour when people try to play y'all? Because people always try to play your R&B. Like, they always think an R&B artist, a soft bubble gun. How many times do you have to throw somebody around, move some furniture? You know what? They police.

Oh, they police you? They hold you back. They hold you back. They'll let you, though. They try to talk me like, yo, bro, it ain't worth it. You know what I'm saying? You know, so, I mean, it's not a lot, but it can get to the mic, mate. Oh, it's not a lot, but I mean, you know, shit, man.

Some people, hey. I think the worst thing. I don't know what they're talking about, but they're getting twisted at this guy. What's the difference between R&B and? some other genre for you choke them out right you just choke the shit on

it don't matter with the greatest day I saw on I don't know why because we speak peace people think we can't throw no jokes don't let the bowtides

fool you you know what I'm saying it's one of those things where it's like we never had this braggadocious bravado like you know walking around like tough guys

because we ain't have to because we sing love songs why you're mad at us we sing love song about this That's all we do But please don't Don't get a twist of that

Like stop I mean it's the same I think it's the same vibe with New Edition though Because people was like Call them You know popcorn But you know

Orchapark ain't popcorn I've been there I've been there You know what I'm saying You know what I'm saying Johnny and Bobby go at people And call people Like what you say about me?

I'm like What's you're going to go I love that Nah Nah I ain't no No they used to play with Johnny They used to play with Johnny crazy

I got issues And Johnny would put up Listen I'll talk about God in a minute, but I'll kick your ass in the next a minute. And then I'll turn around and I'm asking for forgiveness. Shit. Knock it off. Leave us along. I got issues. Let us sing I love song.

That's right. I do have one last question, man. If the, if the early 90s version of y'all could see this reunion now, could see this tour now, what do you think they would think? It's long overdue. I think, yeah. I think

it would have been different. It would have been, I think it would have actually catapulted both groups to another stage because of the synergy and because of the importance of it. But again, we live in a God's timing. And the bottom line is it was supposed to happen now. We're wiser now. At this moment, we're older, we're wiser. We understand not just each other, but we understand each other's places in our lives. We know that by osmosis, we're connected.

Yeah. And again, this is- We're a branch of that in the tree. We're a branch of the tree. You know what I'm saying? And again, let's get it twisted. We will always pay homage to these guys. You know what I'm saying?

And thankful for what these guys have done for us. And this is our way of telling that story in an entertaining way. Yeah. But two and a half, three hours, like Ron said, we're going to give you guys our story. And have the best time ever. And have the best time ever. I know.

I can't wait. Get your tickets. If you haven't got your tickets yet. Don't be trying to sit by me because you can't dance. And I have an announcement, hell now I'm not giving away no free tickets. I did that two tours. And every time I did that,

because I'm not showing up and shit. And I'm spending all this money, some show up sometimes. Your own money is giving away, you know, listen, this is no, as a no comp tour. No, I'm not giving away. I have no more tickets.

I'm done. Tickets if you haven't got your tickets. And I can't wait. What are the tickets for sale? Do we know what? The pre-sale was yesterday. Talking to you, Mike. The main thing is

Friday Pre-sail was Tuesday but the main thing is Friday. Friday he said yeah tickets go on sale Friday get you with

they're talking about 30 cities I'm sure it's gonna be more than that because they're going to have to ask and you're going to sell out so fast

I'm just happy grown folks got something to do man man it's gonna be it's gonna be a great day mate man

new edition boys to men thank y'all for joining us and Tony Brackson don't forget Tony Tony we needed a queen

and I thought that honestly she was to me I thought was a great part could be a great part of this the whole movie because it's about when you're doing a show like this you want catalog you want everything to be able to fit perfectly

and I think that she just fits for the for the other was she the first choice yes she was my first choice yeah that conference call was different but she's there yeah yeah

so y'all made the call to her personally Oh, yeah. I did. You did. I talked to her directly. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you, Johnny Gill, because I'm happy I'm going to be seeing her too.

Okay. That's my girl. That's my girl. That's my girl. That's my girl. That's my good morning. Every day I wake up. The breakfast club.

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