The Breakfast Club - Best of full interview: Papoose & Claressa Shields Talk 'Bars on Wheels,' Black Love, Remy Ma, Boxing + More

Episode Date: January 7, 2026

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NV. Just hilarious. Sholomey and the guy. We are the Breakfast Club. Lauren LaRose is here as well. And we got a special guest in the building. Papoose, Papoose. What's going on? Peace.

What's up, brother? How you feeling, man? I'm maintaining. Can't complain, man. So you're up here in a long time. It's been a wild. I don't even recognize this room. No, this is new.

Yeah, this is crazy. Papoose was the artist that usually didn't call, but always came up and said he had a record. He had an open door policy. He had an open door policy all the time. That's a fact, man. And I think since we've been. move studios pap didn't know where we were because he ain't we didn't see him in them long time nah that's a fact actually i think um it was before before you came aboard for laura mcane

the last month yeah how's everything on though everything is great man i see you just celebrated your daughter's birthday the other day yeah i did macdonald's party yeah she turned seven years that's nice man beautiful thing man enjoy they get big fast happen so fast man you know what i'm saying so yeah i feel like you you should have been did bars on wheels you know what i'm saying yeah yeah yeah yeah i did that's a fact that's a fact what is bars on on wheels first of all yeah so bars on wheels a journey to save hip hop man it's me basically taking what I was doing on Instagram to the next level I mean so sometimes when I post the videos and me driving in the car rapping some people

go in the comments they'd be like okay but where's he going so I'm like you know what I want to see there you go so I'm on a journey to save hip hop know I'm saying so that's that's the name of the project man and I didn't want to just do it as an album I wanted to do it as a short film and just do something that was never done before you know you always prided yourself on just being a pure lyricist and you know everybody likes to do the melodies and the vibes more than the bars what do you think lyric first rappers need to do to stay culturally relevant without compromising the craft i think just be be themselves man i think nobody can do you better than you you know i'm saying

like you're the only one with your DNA and you got to utilize that sometimes people try to go outside of themselves and you you're cheating yourself because you could have just been yourself and you never know what the outcome could it be so to answer the question is just be yourself man So when you write today, are you just trying to outwrap everybody, or are you just more focused on saying something meaningful? Because you've always said meaningful things in your lives, too. Nah, man, it's just I studied the crap. I practiced my craft so long that it comes out like that pose.

You know what I'm saying? I'm not trying to outwrap nobody. It happens naturally, you know what I'm saying, to be honest. Is there a lane for that now? What you mean? Lyricism in rap. Yes. Always.

It's timeless. Okay. So who would you say that you look at that now and say? says, okay, I see what they're doing. Because before, you would see an artist like a Nas, a Jay, and you could say a Kendrick or Drake. But in the new generation, who do you see that's like, oh, he's that? And it can still make hits and still do the same thing.

Right. Well, it's a kid out of Staten Island. I never can remember his fucking name, man. Every time I'm in front of a camera, they ask me who I like, and this nigga is dope as hell, but nobody don't talk about him. But I'm going to get his name. That kid, I like a couple of the young artists. I like, what you call it, man?

I like the girl. What's the girl name? that be rapping that you be that you be playing sometimes no the other one uh she dope as hell i think mellow brook mellow brook yeah yeah i like her energy i like um what's the kid out of new york name man i can't remember their names but i like a kind of a couple different yeah the bunch of lyrics is rubin vincent you know marco plus chris patrick like these dudes can really really rap i mean like i said it's timeless bro it's timeless my opinion it ain't going Now, I know the project is all about saving hip hop, but at the end of your visual, you basically flip it where it's like you can't save hip hop.

And one of the things that you show without giving too much of it is the conversation around like, you know, the drugs and things that infiltrated the culture. So first of all, I guess, you know, obvious question is why would you, why include that? And then second question to that is if we can't save hip hop, then what's your real mission? Like, how are you? So, you know, I think that played a major part to the demise of. about a culture about hip hop you know rest of peace to guys like mac miller young artists who's just dying from from drug overdose i think all of those things man where they glorified used using drugs and you got kids old old dean on it so i just wanted to shine a light on that

and create awareness to talk about it and um as far as at the end then when i said you know can't save them you know you got to watch part two to see the uh to continue to get the conclusion of that but that's how i feel sometimes man like when i'm when i say i'm on a journey to save hip-hop i'm a part of the culture like I live this for real so anytime I step in front of the microphone that's my goal to elevate the game but it feels helpless sometimes man you know what I'm saying so how do how do we change that right because of course hip hop took a turn right where the you know the sellers became the users and in that whole thing but it was still a place where there was negativity in hip hop which kind of hurt hip hop right didn't have to be OD and brothers getting

to jail but I felt like there is a strong line of negative and positive when it comes to it feel like that positive is not being heard anymore um nah it's not even that i just feel like you know i feel like negative and positive exists in life period sometimes people put too much on hip pop like they got to stop and if a cat gets too if a cat gets stuck in the tree all these rappers rapping about cats getting stuck in the trees this is why this happened you know what i'm saying like i feel like people blame hip hop for things that actually go on in america america has a problem with violence and all that. When hip hop was positive,

I seen negativity going on. So I don't blame hip hop for those things. Actually, I feel like hip hop saved a lot of lives. You know how many jobs? Y'all wouldn't even be sitting here for hip-hop. That's right.

So when people like to blame hip-hop for negative things, you know, I don't look at it like that. I look at it like, we have those issues living in this country, period. I saw Robin Roberts ask 50 that about the Diddy Doc. She was like, is this an indictment of hip-hop and something like, well, hip-hop got to do it.

Nothing. Right, right. Yeah. See, they always. dragging hip if you notice that and i think no other genre no i think part of the reason why that happened is because they don't like that you know black billionaires and millionaires are being made out of this so i think while we got our own kind putting hip hop down so much they need to be aware of that how was your perspective on the streets change pap not that you know older and just

more reflective you know as soon as you walked in and be wanted to remind you of when you used to put hands on people you know i said i didn't say it like that you did say it no no You're talking about World Star. That's his tap. Who says it happened? It has nothing to do with Cap. I was just completely different. You're like, I'd be on World Star.

What was your question? I am. How was your perspective on the streets changed? When you say streets change, what you mean, though? Just being, just being an older person can reflect on, you know, how things used to be, things we used to glorify. That's a fact. That's a fact.

Yeah. I respect it, man. I respect and I love growth. I think it's very important. I embrace it. I'm all about positivity, bro, you know what I'm saying? If you look at me, you know what I mean? You see me, like NB said, I got my history,

but when they really put the light on me, I said, what, black love? Something positive, man. I don't wear that the street shit on my sleeve. I don't need to, you know what I'm saying? I always showcase my talent, you know what I mean? And something positive about uplifting our people. So if you could speak to these young men

who idolized the street life, what would you tell them about the real cost of that lifestyle? Yeah, I would say, don't do it. It's not worth it. You know what I'm saying? And what I always tell my young brothers who I see in the street, and I always try to point this out to them, you know, look at your, look around at your crew. And I got to be honest with them, all y'all are not going to make it out. You know how many, you know how many individuals I grow with when I was younger?

They're not here no more. I'm sure you got homies like that. Like, they literally lost their lives. And at the time when y'all was together, y'all was hanging out, y'all was running in the street, you never thought that they would be gone. So I always tell them, you know, look around. One of y'all or two or maybe three, y'all, not going to make it. It might be you. So if you think that's worth it, continue in the street.

But it's not worth it, bro. So, you know, get out of that. You mentioned Black Love earlier. I know Clarissa's here as well. But I wanted to go back to that time period. I wanted to go back to that time period because I feel like for the longest time prior to your relationship, now you and Remy were like the emblem of like black love, positivity, and then everything just switched publicly and I know you talk about even in hip hop like you know how things are

thrown on hip hop and thrown on us negatively when that moment was happening publicly with you and remi what was papu's feeling because it was so positive for so long and it kind of just changed everything what were you feeling as everything started to you know happen online um it was corny it was corny it was corny it's always corny to do social media I'm saying who wants that who wants to be a part of the circus so I just felt like it was corny you got attacked for black love early on um wow somebody said it no you did yeah no we used to have conversations about about what love and and why we showed love and we had you know behind the scenes conversation but you got attack for it when you got attack for

why did you think you got attack for showing and expressing love to the individual you were with like why do you think that happened and why there's a couple it's a couple different things so initially um when she became incarcerated they was killing me he was like yo he's holding her down he's an idiot he's dumb all this bullshit right I can't care though because that's that was my real life at the time and then as it progressed one time double excel had reached out to me and it was like yo we want to follow you one day and document your journey like what's going on with you and they followed me to the supermarket I went and got groceries for her you know what I'm saying then I went on the visit brought the

grocery they set on a visit with me and they put out that article when they put out that article it kind of changed. The outlook kind of changed for a high second and everybody was like wow they couldn't believe it and it was cool I kept going

but what you kind of talk about is when we did love and hip hop That's what you think the change happened Yeah well you had mixed It was mixed

You know what I'm saying Like the women were embracing it But I go through the toe booth And I go get to do my money Because they ain't have the Easy pass back

Right And he'd be like Oh man You're fucking on my household Man My woman told my By being a good man Yeah

My woman told me I need to be more like you. It's the change, you know what I'm saying? So the dudes was always hating, but the women, older women, all different age groups, they always embraced it. And then you did your own spin-off, the black love spin-off, which you guys had more creative control over at the time, right? Yeah. Why? So if you felt like kind of the tide was changing when you guys got on reality TV, why was it important for you to do that, like, second installment? Because, you know, the opportunity was there to show more of us.

you know when you're on loving hip hop you just got like a segment you know i'm saying so it was just that and um people wanted to see more of us at that time so he's like all right cool let's do it i think we did the holiday special first and then um it went from there but um going back to what you were saying earlier like when i first shot it i was like oh they're about to kill me man when this shit come out because people never saw that side of me you know what i'm saying but it was surprisingly people embraced it i think the world was tired of seeing our culture getting put down drinks getting thrown on each other and just the the bad stigma on our relationship you know what I'm saying? Do you ever regret it at all putting that much of your life on camera?

I don't I don't regret it at all because it was real. It wasn't like nothing was rehearsed, nothing was scripted, people just saw what was going on at that time. But you know, the thing with it is like, I get it. But now people are so dialed into your life. Yeah. So now there is no moment where it's like, hold on, let me figure this out because now they're like, nah, you show me this, you show me the baby, you show me the one-year-old party, you show me the dance, you show me this. I love that.

I love that. But then when it's like, when you say, you know what I need to take a break, they're like, now. you can't take a break no no I love it I'll tell you why um see this is what happens with celebrities and I kind of said this before when it's all good right when when when y'all buying entire will career you're watching the TV show y'all come into the performances the appearances the walkthroughs uh I bring you in the room when my daughter is born you come to the wedding you see everything right okay and then soon as something happened with these celebrities what's the first thing they say y'all don't know me like that I want my space

y'all don't know what's going on in my life correct so i'm glad that i gave y'all an open book so when someone wants to lie on me you guys had been there all along y'all seen this shit so that's all you know i i i embrace that how much is too much to tell um we sign up for this bro we we sign up for you can't you can't want people to so you can't open the door to your life and then want to close it when you when you don't do some bullshit and you don't want nobody to know what's really going on so that's what's happening with with these celebrities but i'll tell you this though I got a new queen in my life, man, and she's one of the best things that ever happened to me.

I think we know her. Do you think hip-hop does enough to model healthy love and accountability between men and women? What you mean? Just in general, like, do you think we show enough of those type of healthy relationships? No, I think, honestly,

and I don't want to do the soldier boy, but I think after we did it, it became cool. I felt like people were ashamed to show love to their significant other. they was hiding and then once you know our situation transpired everybody wanted to be in public with a significant other which is a good thing and i was proud of that because um we need powerful black families to stick together to you to your point though you know that was a thing like they would literally be like don't tell nobody you got a girlfriend i'm telling you you got a white take your wedding ring up that was an industry thing i see where you going like even when you when you're especially a major label you had to seem available wow y'all don't want them to know we got the family structure you know what I'm saying so I think it was always cool to hide that and rappers were scared to death to show it because they don't want the side chick to know that they got a wife at home so they you know but like I said it became cool after that after us I think that hurt hip hop too because it didn't allow people to grow and tell their real stories you couldn't be who you really who you really even me I can't be the buck with y'all when I when they first showed it and they showed the real I said he about to kill me you know what I'm saying but it didn't happen like that now there was one thing that came out of that and you said you wrote 90% of remi's rap including conceited was that true no comment man you know what I'm saying I wish her the best and that's that's what I'm saying that's what I'm

saying like I said earlier I never wanted to be a part of that but sometimes your hand is forced you know what I'm saying you got you got to you got to do what you got to do but I wish you the best man you know what I got I got an amazing best friend of my life right now and um we're happy man can you pull up a chair for uh somebody pull up a chair man

somebody said you know that was a oppressing me that it was a hard time because we know y'all yeah you know what I mean so it's like no but y'all know us but sometimes people pretend like they don't know us that's what get on my nerves I think for for most people was like what happened like I mean like I said

y'all was there every step of the way y'all was there when i was riding up there to the prison y'all seen me fighting court officers getting thrown out of the courtroom it was it was in the newspapers you know what i'm saying y'all seen everything how can i come to y'all and say something didn't happen y'all got to stop man like come on so that's i think during that time well i know for myself i just wanted y'all to fix it because i've known y'all so long and not fix the relationship just the friendship the parent to just fix that part that's what that's That was the most important thing, right? That takes time.

Like, it's a divorce. It's not something that just happens overnight, you know what I'm saying? But people life don't stop because of that. You know what I mean? It's papers. It's time. It's all this stuff that got to happen. But at the end of the day, we move forward with our lives.

Like I said, I wish it the best. We got some great, amazing things going on. Like I said, it's my best friend right here, man. We live in our life. We've been together over a year and a half now. It'd be two years next year in September. at the end of the year some of this stuff is just so old you know it's so old to talk about to bring up to keep harping on it it's like they're separated she got somebody too

like don't act like it's just over here like she's happy we're happy and that's it like I don't know is it cordial is it cordial or you just like now I'm just it is what it is I'm always cordial bro I'm cordial with everybody like come on bro I'm not problematic man you know y'all Y'all know this stuff, man. We've evolved. Can I ask y'all question, man? You've evolved. Let me just go out and say, why when something happened, you act like, y'all don't know people?

Like, Envy, I know Envy like cars. Envy got dogs. He's a DJ. He's from Queens. So when somebody come over here and say, I saw Envy doing X, Y, I've been watching this nigga 20-something years. I never heard that next to his name. Like, certain things they can't put on your jacket. You know what I'm saying?

I know, I know, he speaks about mental health. You know what I mean? He's into different things. He's into his relationship with his wife. So, like, if I've been watching this man 15 years, like certain things on my hair, Charlamagne did that, man. A rap, if a nigga tell me,

a nigga was up here rapping, and Charlaman told the nigga to his face, you whack. I'm gonna say he did that. You can't, hold on me finish. You can't just come with some shit left field that I've never heard. 20 years of me following this man career

since he was on Wendy Williams. Right. Nah, that don't go with him. Rumors. But Papo was punching somebody in the face. I believe it. I see him before. Why you keep doing that?

I've seen it. I don't mean it when I'm seeing it. God. Wait, Babu's like, to your point, and, Tim, I know you mentioned, like, it's old, but I think the reason why people bring it back up is because we saw so much and we knew you. And then when everything happened,

there's claims of, like, you cheating and, like, all these things. But that's what I'm saying. So, like, if it's a new artist, I get it. We don't know them. All these years, incarcerated. That shit never been on my name ever. you can't just ask you y'all was out here with me i was coming to the old stupid oh i'm gonna tell you that that is a good point that pat make it because come on all of them years she was incarcerated we never heard of pat we didn't all of a sudden boom out of nowhere a asteroid hit like come on man so that didn't happen because she said she had like got into it with somebody over some allegations and like i said man i wish her the best man me speaking about that it goes into like a holo and i ain't here to do that you know what i mean and clarissa i know on your of it like people always like push back because it's like he's still married and he's this and

you're like they're separated we're happy for you trying to move forward in this new relationship like how tough is that when that conversation comes up for you i don't know why they act like people don't get divorced it's the craziest thing to me like everything the the most thing that happens in life people act like we don't we don't understand is breakups and relationships you can never you never gonna break up with your family because they're your blood you got to deal with them your mama your daddy your crazy sister your outrageous cousin but when it comes to relationship that breaks up all the time marriages and all the time divorces happen i don't know why it's like oh divorce is it's impossible when they don't when it's divorce filed public whatever the heck

that was it's like and we're together all the time every single day ebony awards fights walkouts at home cooking like i don't i don't know it just maybe it's just It's actually this. It's harder for the fans that followed them to let go than it is for them, I feel like. I will say this, though. I will say this, because I don't think this is wrong towards anybody. I will say this.

None of that shit was true, man. None of it. All of that was Fugazi. I come from a big family. Like, if you really follow me and you're not just around for the gossip, you see my daughter, you see my sisters,

you see my mother, you see so many beautiful women in my life, who love me to death. You know what I mean? Not only because I was there for them when they need me, I fought all their battles. I don't just do it for the person that I'm with. I do this for my children.

Like I don't, I've had to put hands on my daughter's boyfriends to protect them. I'm being honest. I'm a protector, bro, and the provider. So anything outside of that, it doesn't go with me. You know what I'm saying? It's very impossible. My grandmother had 17 kids, man.

So I got over 90 cousins, a very big family. And my family looked to me. for those things, I'm saying, as a provider and the supporter and all of that. So it's hard to put that on. It's like, it doesn't go. But I think the main thing I think what happens is when the fans follow your life, and like

you said, we don't know what goes on. We only know what we see. And then all of a sudden on Tuesday, we start seeing these tweets and these Instagram posts. We're like, but that's not how it happened though. See, that's another part of what I see. I know, but you said it earlier, right? You said, yo, Pat point hands on somebody, right?

y'all seen all of this shit happened right in front of your face yeah and you're out of it none of this was said when that's all this was going on see y'all making me get into this shit I don't want to do it I got to agree

I'm trying to figure out clarity because there's like so many questions because it's like one day literally you just wake up and then boom we're in attack but that's not what happened though I don't know why y'all starting it from there okay so let's back up

because what you're referring to is the allegations that she was cheating I don't even want to like I said I wish her the best I got nothing bad to say it about. But that's not where it's, let me make that clear. No,

but I think y'all know where it started. Y'all just want to get amnesia. I don't know. I don't know. Come on, bro. Everybody knows that before I came into the picture, now it was just these two in the picture.

Y'all know where it started. I had nothing to do with anything. As far as in, when me and him got together, he was already separated. So y'all know what happened before that. So what I got the green. I beat rappers up.

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the same hip hop on YouTube so I'm trying to me that when those

when the day she referring to you turn to tell that's the first day you heard

about this you don't hold on a hold on a second you

you ain't you you ain't everything that was going on for a whole year before that I'm gonna tell you why y'all

you said you didn't want to go there That's what I was trying to It's very confusing because I didn't even know How we know that was going on No, before Clarissa was in the picture You hear rumors

But then when you look at your lives You don't see any You don't see any Turbulence So it's not like You see anything or you hear anything You know Okay, you heard this behind

You got it. You held it down Even when I heard rumors I would reach out to Joe Just like yo just checking on And making sure Just checking them good He was like bro

They're good So I didn't hear it to But so you know With rumors Because they say rumors all the time I mean, the rumors show on the main gay. We know he ain't, well, I don't know, but this room is all the time is so it's like, so it's like, when you didn't, y'all didn't confirm a deny, I'm like, all right, cool.

And then when that day happened with all the tweets, it still was like, but before the tweets, you all right, we heard that Pat put hands on the guy. In the battle right. Yes. And even that, I tried to figure that. I reached out to certain people that was facilitating things and no one would comment on it. So we can't, it's like, what do we speak to? And that's why now you're here and we're asking you like, okay, so what was before that?

because there were allegations that she was dealing with the black easy the black captain god prior to us seeing them together whatever the situation is down with them was that what was happening i mean you said it yourself you heard that you saw allegations you know what i'm saying like i'm not here to bash up man or say anything about he not the type to talk pap don't do a lot of talking like i got a way bigger mouth than him okay i mean like pause no deal whatever you want to say whatever i don't put it but he's not like that like he's he's really like about

family and friendship and fixing things like he's he's really about that you know what I'm saying like us as women well women yeah we will tell it all because I love the truth you know what I'm saying I put the truth out there and the thing is like when like come to the truth is like he likes to keep his stuff and handle his stuff privately you know what I'm saying and and respect this stuff and he's always going to be like that you know what I'm saying he's not ever going to change even now like this whole conversation it's like y'all getting a lot out of him because he don't do this he don't because he's moved so forward we're like just so happy and he just whatever happened happened we all know that you go through things through we all been through a breakup

before you may not have been through a divorce but you've been through a breakup been with my for a long time you got to go through your own stuff he's healed he's moved on and he's just in a better place so it's just like with that when people put stuff on your name like oh you want to defend it but even him he don't even want to defend it because he like he is who he is yeah i mean you know like i said who wants to be a part of the circus man yeah nobody nobody be a part of when you ever saw us doing that never happened before i had a movie coming out i definitely didn't want to be a part of it my movie dropped just a couple days on christmas christmas day i was like oh that was that was yeah i was like oh my i was losing my mind i'm like what's going on here

so even me i'm like let me just get far away from this as possible but I'm still with him. You know what I'm saying? I hear Clarissa, like, promote that movie. Now you're trying to promote that movie. But it's like, you know, okay, all right, boom. I'm in a different, I'm in a different text bracket than that to have to use that to promote my movie.

My movie did well. It's still doing well. It's upon prime video if you haven't seen it, the firing side. But I don't want my name connected to stuff like that. I never have. Before this thing with him, you never seen, you might see me into a, couple of beefs online with a couple fighters and stuff like that. But you never

seen nothing about like relationship being with a dude who got somebody. You never seen that. I'm my type of woman. If a man with me, he with me. I don't do second place. I never have. I got two Olympic gold medals. 19 world championships. Why would I have to be second place to another woman for? Like, what do I look like?

You know what I'm saying? So that's my thing of like bars on wheels, the journey to save hip hop out now produced by my Sean two mouths by the way he did the whole project what is when what is when is when a record label is it a sports agency both both when records is a is a record label and um we do a lot of great things man actually we've been doing a lot of concerts so a lot of concerts you see with a lot of your favorite rappers you might not know it but it's by win records um we got some amazing artists shout out to cadizia the whole family my brother big room and recently we just did the big deal

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I'm not talking about physically You know, it just He's like the cheat code To life almost You know what I'm saying It's like he been at the top He's signed big deals You know what I'm saying

He's had kids He's done the whole thing And then it's like When it comes to our relationship It's just like He's already know what to do And he know how to deal with me I'm not easy to deal with and I and I can say that because I seclude myself from

like friends and family and everybody just keep everybody away from me because where I'm trying to go in my life is so big it's like anybody getting my way even a little bit I'm like a dog I bite your head off he knows how to keep me calm it's the first time you haven't seen jealousy in a relationship because you are a star you are a world champion I have seen jealousy in a lot of my relationships but but not but not here it's probably because we both Pisces be birthday March 5th my March 17th but it's like

he's just so supportive I like that he's a nice guy but he also is a guy like that you don't mess with I hate a guy who talk like he can fight but he can't fight like he can rap but he also too can put you on your ass

if you need to I don't gotta whenever I'm when I'm walking with Peppas like he's my security guard you know what I'm saying I just be chilling I wish the motherfucker would I think both of y'all dominate and in discipline

right that that demand extra focus like you need to be active focus for what you do you got to focus for what you do how do you support each other's greatness without competing for space naturally man naturally i've been a fan of her before i even met her like i'm a big boxing fan so when i met her i was like oh shit that's corvus and shills so the fan to be honest with you like the fan in me is like damn wow i got to make sure i can help and add on because you know we're dealing with knowledge of self we always you got to add on you know i need to add on in many ways as I can. But then when I'm able to meet her

and fall in love with it, it's like a whole different level of caring and concerns. So I naturally want to see her win and I feel like it's the same vice versa. Yeah, I'm like a little assistant. You know, when he was shooting his video, the bars on wheels, I brought him full, you know, I helped him change it to his police outfit.

I'm getting behind the scenes footage. I'm just asking me, do you need anything? I'm more of like, people got to understand when I come to a relationship, when it's your time to have your, Like to have your time, that's your time. And when it's the other person's time, it's nothing wrong with you taking the back seat to your person.

Because, like, you're really right there. You're like, you're beside them anyway. But it's like, the better he do, the better we do. The better I do, the better we do. It's a team thing. I don't know why this whole relationship thing. I get it. You know, women want to be pampered, all this stuff like that.

But I'm in a lane and in the field in boxing where I've always taken care of myself. When I say taking care of myself, get my hair done. get my nails done buying myself the clothes I want you know I've always been a lane like that I'm happy that now he do a lot of it right but it's still like I'm still gonna take care of take I'm still gonna take care of myself and I require what I required so it's like oh if he don't get my nails now I'm not getting my nails now like what type of crap is that like I've always had my own and he got his own and together we just like just feed off of each other like when he goes to the studio he may be going to the studio for him but I'm sitting back

there I'm watching him I'm like well I'm trying to I'm doing my little rapping stuff too so I'm learning and then I'm like hey I got to be when you get done with that well let me go in here and do this one and it's like some of the stuff I do was good and then some stuff he just was like it's cool to have that you know what I'm saying and we do so

much together like he hit the pads like y'all always seem holding the paths for me but that's because he don't want you all to see what he really working with why he hit the pad now gotta ask no disrespect pat right oh here you go you issued a hundred thousand dollar open challenge in December.

Yeah. Christmas time is here. Years ago, too. How many rounds I got to make it out around with you to get 100,000? I got six kids. So how many rounds I got to make it out to get that?

She said you got to win. I got a win. That's crazy. I don't understand me. I thought I could run a couple rounds. I know what went out for everybody with that? It was like, these girls like, well, how much do I get if I don't get knocked out?

How much do I get if, you know, I do okay? It's like, we've given out participation. awards now. I didn't know we did that. So I got to win? You got to kick my ass. You know what I hate, Larissa, I hate how people disrespect the science of boxing. They're stupid ain't it? Like, you don't play boxing.

Like, you don't just getting that ring with somebody. You can die. Yep. That's a fact. You know what's going to happen tomorrow night? Anthony Joshua and Jake Paul. Like, that really shouldn't. I all jokes aside, that should not happen. You know, but boxing is in a weird space. Like, boxing is in a space right now that if

Lauren woke up tomorrow, I was like, I want to fight Clarissa. They'd be like, let's go and pay for review let's do it like because it's a popularity contest it was about the sweet science like you said before what's the craziest like because you announced that you got to do the four fights for your $80 million right

eight fights I like when you mess up and say 80s and I like that 80s I always do it too we're speaking it too I know last time I did the shoot was that girl it's eight $8 million right so what's the craziest like hey I think I'm interested in doing this fight with Clarissa I saw that

she has some fights that she got to get out the way offer that you had come your way. Like who's the most random person that you'd never think of? It's like a boxer. Don't even got to be a boxer. Because now it's influencers getting in the ring. Oh, um I don't get crazy calls like that. Like people really don't want to get in there with me for real. Oh, play with her. Yeah.

No, I saw some of the Zeus girls trying to, you know. They want to die. They want to die. No, the Zeus girls want to get trained. Okay. Because I thought at one point. Dolly wants to get trained. Oh, train. Okay. Who? Which girl was it? The real fighter or the Zeus fighter? No, the Zeus girls, one of the Zeus girls That was trying to act like she wanted to get in the ring

And then it turned around where you were up there training somebody else I think you were training a diamond of body Who were you training? You were training diamond. I thought that that started because a girl was acting like she wanted to get in the ring with you And you were saying if they didn't give you insurance she wasn't going to do it No, I'm trying to figure out So this whole $100,000 challenge has been around for like years.

That's a fact. I think I talked about this. whole deck and everything before i got like a deck it's going to be a reality tv show like i got like a whole thing so it's been a thing for a while every time i mention it you get like a bunch of girls who never fought saying that they want to fight me a couple baddies saying oh i love to try it but can't you train more blah blah but the only girl who's ever really like tried to get inside the ring me and disrespectfully was the girl i beat up on you was the girl i beat up at the gym that one time And honestly

If I can go back to that time Sometimes I think In the internet world Everybody got such a big mouth right Because y'all can sit up in here You got security at the door maybe you got But either way it go They can just run their mouth and don't

And don't get touched They go in the room and set their camera And talk about everybody Call them out their names Talk about their fangs, something like they clothes They hair And don't nothing happen The thing about me is

I'm a real fighter so I felt like I needed to make an example out of her and I opened the door like listen if any girl come to the gym or any girl want to fight me for the 100K you come to my gym the fastest way to get your ass whoop is to come to my gym

while I'm training for a real fight that's the fast way I had her out of there in 30 seconds 30. We see it. She looked crazy. But it's like if any other girl think that they're going to come I want to set an example like no matter where we at listen I don't want to put my hands on you

because I know what I can do but I'm not taking disrespect from nobody because these hands do fly and up a heavyweight I've been to put a bitch on her back so I don't like people like that so it's like that was that reason that I did that

and if I can go back in time I think I do it again hold I want to ask you about your fight that you got coming up on February 22nd but what happens in the Jake Paul Anthony Joshua fight I told Pap last night I said listen I know

boxing is in a weird space but I swear to God if Anthony Joshua lose to Jake Paul come all Clarissa which I think there's there's no way in hell yes

there's no way in hell like like did you see what did the Francis and Gano but I'm saying if if Jake Paul

get his hand raised over Anthony Joshua I'm flying to the UK myself and I'm gonna punch Anthony Joshua's hard as I fucking can in his job

like you you better not it's gonna be so like one I don't understand how this fight is happening it's like just like in my mind

I'm like, how is this happening? But the money? Yeah, the money, but it's like, come on, man. Come on. Money, how can you turn it down? They say, when they get 90 million apiece? That's what they say. That's what they say.

That's what they say the person is 90 million apiece? I don't know. And you teased this. Well, what's the reason for fighting if you make a 90 million apiece? I mean, I made 90 million. Y'all not going to see me no more. It's over. I promise you, I'm out of here.

You teased this a little bit, though. We really thought that you were going, that you and Lela Ali were planning this together. We thought it was like, The way y'all put these videos out. Me too. I thought, we was like, oh, they're going to announce at the last video,

they're going to say, they fight in this date, and then, no. Yeah, I see you. I would have loved that. Damn, it was a good setup. But you know, you know,

we turned down 15 million, you know what I'm saying? No. Still nothing. Like, no. Listen, I'm fighting February 22nd against Franchine Cruz,

Zern. This is our rematch. Frenchon Cruz is a great fighter. Very, very, very skilled. I think some of y'all on here Do y'all know Shadasha Green? Oh, yeah, absolutely.

Well, hell yeah. Franchon be Shadisha Green. Keep that in mind. We want to erase history, but history don't erase, especially when it's in black and white. That's like saying, I don't got two Olympic gold medals. But Shadisha got her ass with by Franchon Cruz. And now I'm fighting Franchon Cruz.

And I think she didn't want this fight to happen between me and Franchon because now it sheds light on. You lost already. Stop talking like you undefeated and you a star player when you was warming the bench. coach put you in and you fuck the game up you lost

they should be on your ass is she gonna be one of those four fights she's gonna fight you so bad and guess what she gonna get her ass who like the rest of them Shadasha oh she's all husky and all that

man please I'm I know boxing for real and when she was 190 I was kicking her ass so I don't know why she think that oh now she was Jake Paul and she's husky and she's like girls

I'll shout out to laugh Get out of here. You're going to... It's a confidence. Let me just say this. How you deal with this all day? I'm telling you, bro, I'm being honest with you. I think...

Because she got people that love and support her. Like, she do great things with children, all kinds of stuff, right? But I think her haters, I think they're intimidated by her confidence. I think it's a beautiful thing, man. Just to see a woman that confident. I hope the next generation be inspired to be confident. Like, I always walk humble and she tried to get me out of that. But I really do admire her confidence, man.

I'm watching it. I'm like, that's why they're mad. Y'all have a sparred this star? No. She killed me, man. Come on, you know. You know. You know what I'm just, you know.

I stay in my lane, man. I'm not. I'm saying, I'm like, I really have to show you what I got for real. Because when I get inside Doreen his spar, he's like, no name, no face. Damn. So it was like, I love him dearly. Like this is going to put him on his ass. He's going to hit him hard.

He'll hit me back for sure. But you know what I do? Clarissa was really crazy. When I saw her sparring with men and one of the men dropped you, I'm like, oh, they're not taking it easy on. her. Like, she really ain't that banging with it. Well, I love that you brought that up, right? And I'm going to speak on this briefly.

Out of 19 years, out of my whole boxing, out of my whole boxing time boxing, I've been dropped twice, both in a week of each other. First week was by that guy, who he talked about, who gloves was worn, and he barely had no padding in them, right? And then the next week, when I fought my world championship and fight against Hannah Gabriel's. Those are only two times in my career where I was dropped, ever.

so now that we're speaking about that this dude that I sparred was a nobody right and everybody's somebody but he was a nobody I already had pieced him up the week before and I hate that people think and then so you said it correct I got dropped I didn't get knocked out

you know from the footage that people be posting oh I got dropped and I was laying there one I probably never been hit that hard with like a bare knuckle before and that's what happened but as I got back up I sparked another guy four rounds Harold who was highly ranked at 140 pounds 147 pounds

and then when I got out I sparred the first guy first who dropped me he dropped me like in the third fourth round he got out I sparred harold four rounds and then he got in with harold and sparred harold when he got out and he sparred harold harold said hey man what's up with your gloves

because you wasn't hitting like that last week we all had sparred the week before so now that he said that I go up to the guy myself and I grab his gloves and I'm like, what the hell? It's literally nothing in them. It's like worn gloves. It's literally no padding.

So now, me as a fighter who've been doing this all my life, I don't spark against the biggest and the heaviest men you can think about. I've never been dropped, wobbled or none. So now to get dropped like that, it was like something is up, and it was something with his gloves. I don't have to lie about that. You don't have to make no excuses. It was a man.

It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. No, but it don't matter, though, because, since the time I was 11 till now I'm 30 years old I've sparred 95% men in my sparring. Papp have seen me Spar dudes. Papp see some of these dudes warming

up. He's looking at me like he was talking about he a protector. He's looking at the dude like you better not hit my girl but I'll be in there hey they be coming with it and I'd be coming with it. I send him all my sparring clips because if he's not there but

I'm like hey today was hard and then I spart like spark a guy's like the next couple days send the footage he's like damn you figured it out because that's what I do as like a as like a fighter so don't ever this dude going around with him oh he he knocked me out he dropped me everybody feeling

sorry oh I got fighters get dropped and sparring it's not nothing new to the game just because I'm a woman sparring against some men and then it happened one time it didn't detere me from sparring other men that happened when I was going for my second world title I got 19 basically she sparred the dude

she pieced him up he came back with amazing new strength He's from a different culture, y'all. He's from a different culture. Him getting beat up by a woman, he was embarrassed. So him and his coach conspired with those gloves and his evidence and his

people that was there who know about his gloves. So it's like me having to talk about it's like, I'm not embarrassed because of that. I still sparred men now. I still get ready for my fights. I'm a 19th time world champion. And I've accomplished more than that cheat will ever accomplish in his life. I'm not

ashamed of that. So when they bring that up, I kind of just laugh it off, but it's like, I wish one of these trolls that be talking like that were really like, said to my face, because I dropped their ass. They'd be trolling you about it? Yeah, I'm trying to tell you. It's a man, guys. What are we talking about here? I don't know. He don't know. I'm don't be on X, but

I'd be seeing it. They'd be on you. Any, I'd be feeling I had a totally different perspective when I watched that video. I'm like, well, Clarissa is, she spars with men. Because you're sensible and you're in reality. These people don't be. Some of these guys are so intimidated that I'm just so strong and

confident and so great at what I do, they're intimidated that they think like, dang, if I was to fight her, she could probably beat me up. That's intimidating for a man. I don't go around like, oh, I'll beat up these men. What's up? What's up? What's you? Charlemagne? You want to fight? You want to fight, DJ Amb, what's up? I don't walk around like that.

What you did say you want to fight, Keith Thurman, and who was the other person? I forgot. Recently? Not recently, but over here. No, so look, they asked me questions and I answered them. The question, a long time ago was, who is a male fighter I think I could beat in a boxing match? I said, Sean, Porter and Keith Thurman why I like they boxing skills they both big strong men I respect

both of them but when I look at how they box and how I'm boxing like man if I can shake and bake and go to the body and do my little stuff I feel like I'm better skilled than them am I stronger than them no but I mean have I really ever been stronger than a lot of people it's like I'm strength is not my thing when it come to a fight strength is not my thing It's about skill, precision, and I know how to win. But I got some power, too, but no, I'm not trying to knock everybody out. Like, I'm a box them, you know what I'm saying, and move around and move my head. Like, I'm pretty skilled in all the departments.

That's why they call me the female TBE. Y'all better leave Clarissa alone. That's the fact. When you fight Shade's, is it going to be before the baby or after the baby? I want to fight it before. Okay. Fight it before. I want to get, I want to fight Franchon, and then we can get Shaddaisha after.

That'd be a great party. So, what, Franchard, February, what she days of, some of? Hey, you know, whenever she gets unsuspended. What she's spendable? Oh. Yo. Oh, okay. All right.

Let's see what to do you, yo. My bad. I'm sorry. Oh. I'm sorry. I didn't mean. Oh, she said that Savannah bust her, bust her eardrum and broke her nose. That's what she said Savannah did to her.

What she think I'm going to do to her? That's crazy. But. I say that to say, you say she's been on my ass, right? And she wanted to get this fight. How can you get a fight and make a fight with me and you're suspended? You can't fight nobody. So was you really calling for a fight or was you doing it for clout?

I think we're just clout. I think she didn't want me to, she wanted to stall me and make me not even think about Frantown and keep all the attention on her until she got through her little suspension that she kept a secret from everybody. I didn't know she got suspended. Yeah, you're on box right now. Go on. She ain't that big.

yet, so she ain't going to be on no Google. Damn. Go to Box Rec. That's where you go. And on Box Rec, you're going to see your Dacia Green Picture, and it's going to say indefinitely suspended. This is funny.

February 22nd, y'all, February 22nd, Sunday, y'all. Little Caesar Arena. She's back in the ring. After her fight against Savannah Marshall? Yeah, because Savannah bust her ear drum and broke her nose. Oh, in the July fight.

Yeah. You can suspend it for that? That's what I said. I was like, I'm studying boxing. I didn't know that. In injuries or PD? listen I didn't know what it was I just was like she suspended

but she put all the attention on her on herself though but let's not lose focus you guys Pap just dropped the album bars on wheels a journey to save hip hop DJ Envy play the music Hold on I got more too

I've been playing the record For real? Wow I don't know that Oh that's love There's a guy Pat He doesn't even check look at He's from London I know that

I'm bad He raps And envy knows him He's been... Don't say why because then you're going to start a train. I'll tell you after. But I told him I was going to let him rap for you.

Oh, word. While you was here. Okay. I want to bring him in. He's here? He's here. He's here. Like, a word.

Yeah, he's a cool dude. He really takes his craft serious. He does. He's Moroccan. If you tell him he's whack, you don't buck with him. You do what I did when I was trying to get on his leg. And we had La Russell,

La Russell recently was talking about how he came up here and he rap and it changed his trajectory and so a lot of people see that now so they want it so I'm like yo introduce yourself I'm a man from London say what's up to Papps say what's up to Clarissa

we've known our main a long time and he's a rapper his records are starting to take off he show me his videos and all that other stuff and we're going to let him take a deep breath from Maine okay that's love man you got the beat you better

What was the other dude that came up here and one got signed? It was Josh and... It was Josh and... Don Tollivan. Don Tolliver. We used to come up here all the time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Josh and Don't Talo.

You need a beat, you, Acapella? I sent you that beat yesterday. Oh, okay. I sent it that, yeah, we got it. Yes, yes, we... All, let's go. No pressure. You can turn it up?

You want some headphones? No, no, no, I'm good. I'll leave the headphones matter. Yo, it was starting with it. dream. I left home at 17. I come from South London, baby, you don't see that on the screen. They used to tell me that you'll be someone that don't achieve. I used to tell myself that's something that I won't believe. When it came from my family, it really hurt me deep. So I locked myself inside the bedroom, cry before I sleep. Told them that I want to be, what I want

to be. But they rather me inside the cell or see the boy deceased. Lost both grandmas in six months. Why they leave? When that girl broke my heart, I was crying on my knees. But that's calmer cause I done the same to mum and now I see life balancing out life and really it's a beast so I'm sorry mummy because I know you couldn't rescue me I was fascinated by the streets ain't want me no degree imagine having you a child that speaks the way I speak I'll probably go and lose my mind and turn my back on me crazy how I talk about myself like this so casually cause my self-esteem is low my trauma's got so mad for me couldn't figure out a path to take I found it gradually last time a girl she said she loved me I said actually love

satisfactory, I'm closer to insanity Every day a battle, I just Want to see my family But I can't cry, I chose it's life, so I have a seat Everybody talking about me In the street Okay, alright All right, what you think, Kat?

Nah, he did his thing, man, that was tough Yeah, yeah And where you're from? Morocco, right? Morocco, isn't it? That's where my parents are from, but he moved to London, and that's where I was born. I moved to America when I was 17. Okay, bro. Okay, bro. Okay, bro. Yeah, bro, that's what you call him now, bro?

He's becoming to the breakfast club, I would say, for what? A long time. Yeah, it is. Every time. Yeah, it is. It's a record store. Where can they follow you? Tell them to follow.

Me and 22 on the socials, um, Spotify, you can catch me everywhere. I've got a little song that's doing some numbers right now, so keep adding to it. I appreciate it. Might be one record's next artist. Yeah, no, definitely sound tough. I love to hear some of your music, man. I appreciate you for real, man. And you used to do that, Pat.

That's the fact. I used to do the same thing you was, I kind of clocked it. You used to be outside Hot 97 with K Slick. That's right. That's right. Yeah, nah. So I know what it's like, man.

When you got that hung in, you're just like, yo, I want to get on, man. You got to do it yourself. Yeah, that's it. Got to take it by the... I respect it. What's song you want to play up the project, Pat? Not the green.

I play that all the time. What's your favorite joint of the project? You sure? You don't want to pick yours? How's a chill button? It's called Chill button. It's called Chill button. Why?

You ain't got one. Milled you all. No, chill button. Like, he knows that Chip Bunny is... Well, one, I heard the album before. All y'all heard it. I saw the video on stuff, too. I didn't know about this for months.

I just, wait. I was about to leak it. He didn't drop it. Hey, y'all ever hear any of Papu's music get leaked? I did it. You did it? How crazy is that, right? In my face.

Like, you don't be on Twitter. Like, oh, who happened? Like, I don't know what happened, but... And shit doing numbers. I don't know. Well, let's get into it right now. Bars or wheels out right now. Carissa Pappoo.

We appreciate you. Produced by my brother real quick. Can I bring my brother in real quick? He produced the whole project in the studio. We took our time. Sean, too, man. Win records, man. That's right.

Oh, and by the way, everybody got their win record chain. I don't know why. Just tell them how was it producing this project real quick. Just tell them how was it producing this project real quick. Producing this project. To the mic. You know, it was epic. It was dope.

We took our time with it. That's right. And it's real hip-hop. Producing emcee, man, back together, doing it strong. That's what it is. All right. Well, it's the breakfast club, Papoos. Yeah, Shills.

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