The Breakfast Club - Best of full interview: Ray J On Being Painted As A Villain Amid Kardashian Drama, Mario Verzuz, New Relationship + More

Episode Date: January 6, 2026

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This is an I-Heart podcast. Guaranteed Human. Hold on. Every day I wake up. Wake your ass up. The breakfast club. You're all finished or y'all is done. Morning, everybody.

It's DJ Envy. Just hilarious. Shalameen, the guy. We are the breakfast club. Lawlerosa is here. We got a special guest in the building. Somebody said, you're not live no more. I'm not live.

You got to be live. We got to be live. Oh, my God. I hear him say. I'm not live. Reminded me. We're not live. Are we live?

Oh, we live? You always got to show them that. Oh, we live. Oh, we live. Let's go. Oh, we live. Ladies and gentlemen, Ray J. Live.

Ray, does she look like your sister? I've been sitting for years. Please. Come on, man. It's official. Wow. Ray J. And his knee said it.

And I think that, you know, the short hair still makes it even more recognizing. Well, you know, we call her Brandica. I love that. She got the short hair. I've been telling them I need to do when she do the series. Come get me. I don't know what age I could play. I'm a little older now, but...

I think you can play the young, Brandy. Well, welcome, Ray. How are you feeling, brother? You're good? I'm feeling good. You got a lot going on. A lot going on, yeah. I want to make it really...

I'm happy that this is my platform now. Thank you for giving me the opportunity. Yes. To go into the holidays in the Q4 correctly. Okay. With respect and honor and love. Well, let's start with the legal stuff. What legal stuff?

Well, I thought y'all didn't want to... I thought that we couldn't... Why can't we? Oh, no. Oh, you mean. Yeah. I was going to say, first and foremost, I just want to tell people don't know that,

but we really love you, Ray. I love you. Like, for new listeners, Ray was our first guest ever on the breakfast club. Yes, I was the, before I went crazy on the rant. Right. No, before the rain. I was the first guest on the breakfast club ever.

Yes. You were right, right, right? I was the first guest ever. That's crazy. That's it. That's it. That was the first viral moment also on the breakfast club as well. Yeah.

So we got, we love Ray. We talk about Ray all the time and good and back. We just know what we love. Thank you. I would rather you. I would rather you guys always talk good about me, but it's okay. But the bad is on you, but. Yeah, and the bad also.

Some of it is entertaining. You guys are my friends. And plus, we're all entertainers, and you guys have to do what you have to do. Charlemagne knows sometimes I get a little emotional. All the time. Me and Ray had a good heart to heart earlier this year. Yeah, and so sometimes because I get emotional, you know, and I love you guys. But I do sometimes, but because, I mean, we're all in our zone.

I'm a journalist as well. And so I just feel a little bit like this is my personal people, but you guys have to keep it neutral throughout the day because that's the way you're supposed to be. So it can be one-sided because that's not what journalism is about. I appreciated the phone call though because I'm like, you know, there's not people that's going to be honest and that's the way Ray was feeling. But he was on my live first.

He was like, Charlemagne's a piece of issue. I hate Charlemagne. I was like, call him. He said call him. And then so we talked, even we went, I call Charlemagne a lot. And there's just times what I feel like, you know, and this, it's not, I'm not being neutral, but I feel like sometimes y'all can have my back

or, you know, in certain instances, what I'm going through, just give it a little more seriousness on my side. But we do. We protect Ray a lot. Well, Ray J got a comedian energy to where you don't know when he's being serious. I was the first time we spoke. And I am.

It was a serious conversation, but I didn't know when you're being serious. And sometimes I laughed and I'll put on mute because I didn't want you to fill away But you're just Laugh, put a mute is crazy Because he's funny naturally But he's really serious And everything's like so heartfelt

So you don't want to laugh But yeah A lot of people try to hold it in But I'm serious Everything that I've been going through It's been up and down And everybody has their up and down days And I think with the streaming world

And shout out to Kai Sanat For kind of like opening up his doors to Yeah because he really like Put us really on in a stream in a different way and from there when you're on your streams and you're streaming 24 hours it's like therapy so you go through these therapy sessions

with your chat because nothing's bigger than the chat and then you I don't know every time it's going to go this viral when I be saying certain things so then I watch it the next day and I'm like oh man I got to stand on that but people don't know what I love to I love seeing you on stage with your sister

and I love seeing your niece with you I love when I see your real family around you right that's when you look your whole your whole And I was so excited when I found out we were coming up here together. I'm like, Vaughn, this is everything because, again, I do want to turn the tides and I do want to, you know, showcase a different side of me because I think we've been crashing out to the left too much. And again, everything is entertainment, but, you know, you just want to make sure you kind of like guarantee to everybody that this isn't a liability situation or every time I'm in the airport and they're like, we're praying for you, Ray J. Like, God bless you, man.

I hope everything's okay. I'm like, dang. Because people don't know when you're crashing out, crashing out, or if you're just entertaining. So it's been a lot of, we're praying for you, man. God bless you, man. I hope you're going to be all right. But people think you want drugs. They think you've got mental health issues.

But which we all deal with our own mental health issues at the time. Mental health is serious. And shout out to Dr. Cheyenne Bryant. Yes. Yeah, she's, I mean, we talk a lot and off camera. And it's always off camera, but she helps me through. certain things. And Dr. Scott, too, out of Cleveland. Pastor Scott helps me through some of the issues that I'll be going through to, and it helps me, man. What have you learned? What have you learned

about yourself? Well, you know, every day when I, you got to watch yourself. It's easy to know it when you just watch it. And I think without adding in the trolling, you know, it's just me just keeping it real and a lot of times people can't I think keep it this real because there's a lot of different situations that might be in front of them the job um their workspace their partners the people that around them um that might fill a way that's paying you know the bills whatever it is you know there's a lot of things that people go through that keep them away from being this extremely blunt but for me it's not like that and I think that I have to hold myself responsible to hold some of this stuff in

as we grow and as I grow I'm getting older and I want my needs to be proud of me and I want the team to be proud of me and we can't crash out in 2026 so when the public paints you as the bad guy for years what does that do to you mentally how do you protect your peace now?

You just turn it to the bad guy Oh okay lean into your shadow side well you not only lean into it because I think that's the only thing that I think makes sense you know, it's almost like, you know, if you're doing something that's extremely believable, then it works. But if you're doing something that's not, and it might be really who you really are, people don't understand it. And so it, sometimes it takes a toll to try to like, hey, I'm going to be positive for 2026.

Ray J's going to turn the new leaf. He's going to be a good person. But that's who I am internally, no matter what. So when the character comes out, if it gets over the top and it's the impressions are up, you know, the profits are up, you know what I mean, the numbers are up, then it makes sense. But then on the other side, you know, there's a negative side to that too with whatever comments people are putting in. I don't read any comments or nothing, but overall, just I really want my family to be proud of me. And they want me to show a different side of myself, you know what I mean, that I don't really show. And so I'm up for it, and I want to do it for 2026.

Is Ray J. sober now? Last time you were up here, you was playing with the little lean, but you look thinner. You look clearer. So I'm assuming not anymore. With the lean? Yes. Yeah, no, not the lean. Certain things are bad, are bad.

And I think... You don't even know, last time you was up here, you know me and sholome, he dumped it out and act like it was really there, but it wasn't there. And that's what, that's where, that's what I'm saying. Like, we dumped it out.

That's not okay. You don't think we love you. No, it's okay. It's okay. It's okay now. It was very expensive, so it was just like... Very expensive. But, no,

Again, you have to have self-control eventually over time because if you have the option to make mistakes and just, and it works, the mistakes work, then you find yourself in a weird position because crashing out works. So how do you balance that with, you know, just being level in life? And sometimes for me, it just gets confusing and everything just becomes blank. and it all just gets real blurry right now. It's interesting when you say it works, though, because, you know, when you think about Raycon, Recon,ronics, you built these $100 million businesses. To me, that's working.

Absolutely. This crashing out is just attention online. That's not really working. But it does work. It does work for impressions. It does work for certain skills when you're doing Snapchat, or you're doing Twitter, or you're doing Instagram, or you're doing Twitch, and you're running, you know, 15 ads an hour.

and you want your CPM to be solid, right? And you're running them at night and late night. And you want those to work as well. So I think it all works if you're looking at it from a really scientific level. And I think a lot of people don't think we look at it like that, but we do. But enough is enough at some point, right? And I don't know when it is. I don't know when enough is enough.

Because I'm like, enough's enough now, but I'm like, is it enough? I'm just saying, is it enough? You're not wild out two days ago. Because when people, when people hire me to do a job and I come and I go, what do you guys want me to do? They're like, do what you do. Not too much, but do what you do. So not too much tells me, okay, you want me to do what Ray J does.

And again, balance, prayer, support more than anything is what matters. And I feel like throughout this whole grind, there hasn't, like, the support system, for Ray J is very minimal but it's okay so are you changing a new leaf now because two days ago I'm not even listening to you call Mario Mario gay I called Mario no I said I never seen Mario

with a woman but I love Mario and I'm sure you guys women and I'm sorry Mario he's on Instagram with his pregnant I'm so sorry woman exactly so I made a mistake also you said while they was you know you said you got the hospitality of his show and pretty much call him a sucker I'm sorry Waleigh for that as well and I want to extend my apology the Waleh. Mario, he did a great job with Brandy. I appreciate Brandy for having my back. She said I needed to just slow down on all the extracurricular things that I do on the

side and I would be able to compete. So you don't longer want to battle him in the verses? In a versus, they had the main stage. They were headlining the verses and then we did the beginning of the verses and all together collectively it was a successful disaster. I told Mario that he didn't let you on stage because he was afraid of the smoke. I'm telling you because I was on the side He was up here He was just here So I see Mario on the side of the stage

I walk up to him We in Baltimore Or we know we in D.C. We got Mark Let's hear Mark We got Mark We want to let you hear what Mario said Okay

Shout out to Mark Shout out to Mario Even if he said something bad God bless him No he didn't say that bad He's here No no no He's here

Like we had him in the closet Just waiting for you I'm scared I know he's scared Come on you ready You got to be King Cooper to Mario No I just today Sirrah's here and

Sheila's here and the whole team is here It don't matter, you're King Cooper Don't hide me Don't hide me You King Cooper Okay You got me I hit the homie and said

Wow you have my back For one time Yes I said I said I say it back I know you haven't had it for a few times I'm sorry I'm sorry It's okay You ain't let them on that stage

You ain't let them on that stage It's crazy You know what was going to happen at the Wildo Yeah You said You said, I didn't let him on stage? Yeah, Ray J wanted to do the versus right there. You could ask Ray J what happened backstage.

I was like, yo, let's do it. Let's make it happen. He was like, Nicky, shrink me. Just, I don't care what you. You just make it happen. I'm like, I didn't know he was going to be there. I said, I ain't bad. I got you.

They didn't let him on stage. It wasn't me. That's not Ray J's story. Ray J's story was I wanted to do the verses right in the dance of Mario. Out of all people, you trust Ray Jee's story. Damn. Damn. He told him.

Mario, that's not okay. I saw Mario behind the stage, and when they said Mario's here, I'm like, no way. This is a coincidence. It's perfect for us to do what we got to do. You didn't know he was going to be here. I didn't know, because somebody,

well, my management said, Wale wanted Ray J to come out for a homecoming event or whatever. And I'm like, I'm doing the DMV Baltimore Sub-Aathon anyway. Let's go up there. I didn't talk to Waleh or none of them, so I didn't know really who invited me. I ended up backstage. They said, Mario's upstairs.

I said, let's go find him. We went up. I said, Mario, what's up? He said, what's up, Ray J? I said, what's up? I said, it's time. I said, you about to get on stage, and then I need to battle you with my song.

I said, bro, even if I lose, we got to do it. He said, and I promise you, give me five minutes to think about it. And I go five minutes to think about it. So then he goes down, and then I go down 10 minutes later, and he's performing. So he didn't give me the first. five minutes. He just like kind of shaded me on that end. And so

I was standing on the side of the stage waiting for a mic and they started directing me off like traffic like with the car. Like Ray J, come on this way. Call that way. Now get the hell out of here. And I was just like, yep. It was crazy. Oh, but they kicked you out. They didn't kick me out, but they kind of just told me to get off

because they, they was like, we don't want no problems here. But what Ray J? Was it this Ray J? Or was it? It was this Ray J. My eyes was really wide And I was ready to get on stage They go, we don't want those problems here Come on And I just was like

Did Mario ever look over and see you? No You know how about you on a stage Which you could see us out. He didn't want no problems at that point Because I knew that D.C., which is one of my favorite cities in the world I love D.C., shout out to Kathy Hughes,

shout out to D.C. I wanted it so bad But they didn't let it happen So I respected I was a little mad but I think after that night I started to go, you know, well, maybe I'm a little mad too much Maybe I need to switch up

from the Casamigos to maybe Tos. How many songs in the virgins? We love that. I say three in a possible. Ray J. It just depends on where you are. I think that the versus for no limit and cash money should have been in New Orleans.

Absolutely. It would have been a whole other thing. So where does Ray Jays versus take place? Ray Jays versus. Like if you have the perfect setting in Baltimore. In Baltimore. Okay.

Yeah, and it's hometown. In Mario's hometown? Because I love Mario and I love Baltimore. Gotcha, got you. You know, I think doing it in LA wouldn't be fair because now I'm doing songs that Mario might not have even heard and they still lit and they still platinum, you know? What song do you lead with?

Like, what's your number one? The song that I lead with is One Wish. No. Out the gate. No, okay. Out the gate, one wish, yeah. Because I got a new gospel version. That's dope.

You should be allowed to do One Wish three times, three different ways. And you're supposed to get three wishes. So it should be more than one wish. So one wish, then you do a one-wit-brew version. Then you can do a one-wish Afro beats, kill them. I think one wish five times. Then sexy can I? This is what I said.

I said, let me love you is not bigger than one wish. You should let me love you. I don't know. No, Ray, Jay. I love one wish. I love to see perform it. But I do think, what's the metric? Let me love you is bigger.

But you can look it up. You can see. Well, but then also, also taking the account, I'm 1,000% independent. Like, there's, there's no, there's no, like, there's no cotch distribution on this one. There's no epic distribution on this one. This is just straight sanctuary and Ray J, 3% like deal within 97% us forever. Sexy can I. Sexy can't eye.

Sexy can I's bigger than Let Me Love You to Me. Hit it first is a possible. No. Hit it first is not okay. You can do hit it first? Well, hit it first and have a really, really, people know. that record. That's crazy because they never really saw the light of day. And I want you to know that those two

right there said that Mario would wash you in a verse. I did. I don't know why he's not keeping that same energy right now. I didn't get a chance to say it. I think so but honestly. I don't think that you would stand well. Listen, I think so too. I think you're right. I think you got five joys. Listen, you're right. Mario can sing live as Hill.

Your niece said one. Mario only got one join? I didn't say that one. Let me love you. Just a friend. Braid my hair. The joint with Gucci. When you're doing, she went to do it, do it, and I love you, Raha. And I love that Brandy supported me, too.

But she also said Ray got to, you know, do right in order to compete. Because Mario is a serial singer. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's a serial singer. And I respect that. And I think that In averse is live right now, Mario will crush me. I'm glad you and your sister got back on the same page.

How did that happen? We always been on the same page. I think just publicly, it was just, you. You know, she brought me out at the concert, but every time I get around B and my mom and Sarah, I just get real emotional, man. And you straighten up. You don't act like you act anywhere else with them, I'm sure.

Yeah, no, and I think that it's just enough is enough. And I'm so happy that Rara's here today because it just makes me do better no matter what because I know my mom is watching and my dad and Brandy. And so, like, I'm really a comedian. we really are in like this Richard Pryor like red fox format of comedy where it's uncut right and if everybody took it like that I think it'd be better but for the seriousness of what it is I just I don't want to let them down moving forward and I just want to do right

I was going to ask how can we didn't come out during the show how can we didn't sing during the show because everybody was expected one wish well brandy and Monica wanted me to do you know they wanted to get my idea and I just said for the first one for just let me just come out and go up and down just for me to just say hi because I don't want to

I don't want to get hype you could shut it down you could have did one wish wait a minute well I just didn't want to do anything wrong sexy can I want to wish so you guys had just got back to that point of you've been coming out with her and you just didn't want to mess it up

yeah like I just just wanted to just make it just make it peaceful you And shout out to Usher's mom, too, because I've seen her. We all took a picture of my mom, Usher's mom, Brandy, and she was like, I want to talk to you, too, because it seemed like she has something on her mind to tell me, but it never happened. But I hope it does because I was curious on what she was going to say. But I'm just, you know, I'm in a listening mode. And I'm in, I'm not in healing mode.

But I just, I want to do the right thing. What did one music fest, did one music fest make you want to get? back on stage? And why didn't give you a stage? Yeah, why weren't you on a stage at one music, though? No, I was. You started on stage. I was on stage with RSVP.

Oh, okay, got you. RSVP, I told them all to come down. Now, I had on a Balenciaga sweat jumpsuit. It was hot, so I pulled it down, and then it became like a dress or whatever, right? Yep. And then I had the boots from Timo. I just got them a couple days before it. It was like $12.99.

Dope. And I just don't know what else happened. I thought I did a good job. I think you served your core audience. Served your core audience? Do you think he did a good job? Neese. I love my uncle.

She probably didn't see the whole thing. I didn't see the whole thing either. I just saw clips. To me, it seemed Barry on brand. It was super rare. to me. I was like, Ray's one of the greatest entertainers walking the face of the earth.

He was out there entertaining. I felt that way, but it didn't look that way. It looked a little different. It didn't make you want to get in shape and get you, you know, like, everybody keeps saying I'm the only, like, person with a belly and a six-pack. That's what they kept saying, yes, they did say that. Yeah, so, because you know what? I hold my kids like this.

I don't hold them like this. So my belly's out and then it naturally just kind of, but if I just sucked it in, everything will be good, but I think that, yeah, but I do want to go to the gym. You know, have you heard his new record stripper bowl? Stripper bowl. Stripper bowl is lit. No.

That's my right. No, I saw the video. The record is a dope record. Play it. But coming from Ray J sounds a little crazy. Why? Because he throws a lot of bitches out there, a lot of my bitch at this house, my bitch at that house. Can we play this in front of your knees?

No, the record. My niece is lit. She's grown. Okay. The record is dope. She's looking at you like, I'm old. I just want to be respectful. You just.

She's grown. My niece is lit. mad at us? No, I mean, come on. Raraj Lid, but... The record is dope, but why do you go that way in your record? Because, you know, you say you want to get back with your wife and have your family together. But then in that record, I got a bitch in this, a penthouse, and I got a bitch

in this house. I got a bitch in. I got a bitch here. You guys are just... That's a valid question, right now. The record is dope. Wait, let me, let me, let me... Let me tell you guys. You guys have gotten... You guys have gotten... You guys are the greatest of all time.

I mean, you guys Are you in the Radio Hall of Fame Yes, I know Hold on, hold on Ray J, well, hello You guys I'm gonna play for Shail in May Fast

It's going crazy In the club, bro You play it with the speakers Yeah, I can't do with the speakers Oh, I saw the video DJ Envy Hey I don't know my love

I just hit and gold I just want to fuck a friend That's what I hit it's I'm gonna get the gold I'm gonna get the gold I'll be fucking on the dands Like a stripper bowl Let's see

Nika got so hot I'm sweating in the snow Dunkin on these niggins on these niggas off the mickleow I love the niccolo ultra Yeah On my tippy toes Yeah Jack Jordan is going sick on mode Baby bounce that ass like a six like a six

Yeah I just imagine in Miami 54 Tonda when the hills is where the bitch is old I just hit and go Let's go The fact you don't have T-Pain on this is crazy Because T-Pain is all over Twitch now

You're supposed to have T-Pain on this So I hit pain I said that shit on Yeah Yo hitmaker said he's gonna do the remix with Paine and Ross And he got this idea So for the remix it'll go crazy Shout Out the Truth

And then I have a clean version coming to. What's the clean The record is The clean version is just without all of the curse words

because at first when you mute it it just don't have it's no song you're gonna play an envy with the queen I like I like the record

the record. The record is dope it's a club record I'd heard the record I'm like the record is dope you still have sex with scriptos?

I do yeah okay I do I do here and there but I'm not I'm really not

a sexaholic at all though yeah I'm very focused right now so Sheila I tell you like shout out to

Sheila on on the love cabin we got the show on Zeus, it's going crazy. They got mad questions for Sheila. What questions y'all got for Sheila? Is that the same person? We still got a lot to get to a rage.

You made karate every day? Yeah. No, that was you, Shil? So wait, please. Sheila, you got to come. I got to understand. And then we got to make sure we get, we got to make sure we get Sarah up here too.

Yes, for sure. But after this, like in another, in another, in another, yeah, in another segment. You know what come to this segment. Yeah, we love you. Fix Shilers, Mike. And what's crazy is that. I saw you make, I saw it on Shayroom

you had this young lady crying She was crying I'm not gonna lie I was a part of me I was like that's kind of playing Just a little bit What they made a cry? Yeah just a little bit

Just the way, just the way Because I Once again I can't tell when Ray J. Being serious Like he's just entertaining us Well it was just all about the chat It wasn't about me yet

No she wasn't Not with her crying So Y'all are in Are you gonna What is You know If you do you do

To the mic To the mic Sheila Yeah come a little closer Shella's on love cabin Yeah, shout out to Zeus and shout out to Lemmy. Shout out to the Zeus Network. They've powered us up, man, to go even further, even with Tronics. And I'm looking forward to it.

Shout out to Lemmy. He sees a new vision for even Tronics and what we're doing as a whole in reality. So, Sheila, you're holding Ray J. Now until he goes back to his family. How does that feel? That is crazy. You know what? Let me say this.

Ray J. and I are really good friends. You know? You're looking good today, Sheila. Thank you so much. I may cry, I may not. Are y'all more than friends or y'all? We're really good friends. What were you crying over?

You can do what you want with that information. Sheila was crying because she couldn't be on the front desk and the back desk was where her office was with Clark and they were doing their streams. I thought you said that you want to go back to your family. But that wasn't what she was crying for. They clipped things. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So what she was crying for because I was like, yo, I'm on the front desk. You have to do this desk. and you can work your way up to the front desk. But right now, this is my chat. You have your chat. Clark has his chat. Got you.

You're scared. You're going to fool for him, and then you get connected and he leaves for, goes back to his family? No, not necessarily. You know, that wasn't my first time I cried. I was like probably my fourth time crying. That day?

Well, because she, well, and I, and I respect. Like, yeah, within the week. I respect everybody that cry. Some people, and I don't. I don't know people's water base, right, but some people cry more than others, so she cries a lot, just even when she's happy or sad, right? I mean.

I'm a cancer, y'all. Me too. Because I feel things. You're a cancer? Do you cry as much as me? No, I'm more like, I do, but not a lot. But you understand. Like, I'm kind of, like, I'm a June cancer.

What number? You know what? June 26. Oh, yeah, I'm 29. Okay. Okay, so you kind of understand where I'm coming from, right? So the first time you cried, it was about the desk. Or the last time we saw it was the desk.

What were the other issues that we? I honestly cry about anything. Like, if he tells me he doesn't like my hair, I'll cry. Like, it's just like. But I love your hair. No, I know. I'm just making the next. I love your hair now.

And I love your hair yesterday. So where do you want us to go? Because Pete, that's what the chat is asking. Like, where do you want this relationship to go? Do you want it to be serious? With Ray. With Ray, of course. This is a relationship.

yeah for sure this is a relationship this is a great this is a really good friendship it's a good it's a good it's a start to race that we go together because once you're both

ugly it goes to another world we're really good friends right right absolutely but love cabin is is going crazy and all new episode Sunday on Zeus why do you have around your knees though well this is the first time they ever been well they actually got into a spat

before when they didn't know each other and they haven't worked it out yet but we're gonna work it out listen we're gonna no you gotta hold on we're gonna we're gonna they had they got into an argument about what at a club when I wasn't there and so they didn't know each other

and and I haven't she walked up like she was family like oh what's up rah rah well no no it was something she didn't know that was my niece and so they had got into it and I'm like yo that's my knees and so I want everything to be at peace I'm turning a new leaf

I got all money on R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-B. I just think we all got to sit down after this. They didn't know each other. Well, after the breakfast club, I think we're all going to go and have lunch. Breakfast. I got more presid. She says she got more presid. She said she got more presid-tive-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-B-I with it.

So you expect this to go somewhere then if she, because I thought the show was like you're helping other people find love. You find a love too. No, no, no, no. This is about love cabin. The love cabin, you don't know how it's going to, it, the end, like, the last like 12 episodes are going to go crazy. You're not supposed to get high off your own supply.

If she is a, if she is a star on love cabin, and she's beautiful. You can't be on there. Testing the product. Well, you got to understand, Ragee as a host on this show is a different host. He's a dirtier host than most But he's very curious And he invites himself into the competition So you're trying your product

This is a different hosting gig Okay He's trying to find love as well But are you fine with that That he's you know Finding you know tasting his product She'll you're not the only one Is with you?

Well she got he's trying to find love Well if you watched the last episode I was kissing Athena Athena Athena kissed you She kissed me which was amazing Athena kissed you She said, get it right.

So it's okay that you're not the only one, Sheila? You're fine with that? What do you mean like that? I'm not the only one? Yes. In regards to... In regards to where Ray J puts his penis. Well, like I said, Ray and I were really good friends and whatever he decides to do with his penis is up to him.

Well, my Rara's here. So my niece is here. So we got to keep penis out. Oh, I'm sorry. I just got to keep, just say... Raraz is 21 and 21st. No, no, no, but I'm saying, but still uncle and penis is a lot. She's back there last.

I just don't want to do that. Like, let's do just loving. I'm about to tell Rai Rott and start texting this question. Brandy's watching. I'm sorry, Brandy. I'm sorry, Brandy. Yeah, Brandy watching. How do you choose?

My mama's watching. Oh, God. Sorry, Mama. Yeah, Charlemagne, that was a lot. Have you met his mom, too? Have you met Ray J's mom? No. And you shouldn't?

I shouldn't. Ray? That's doing too much. Why is that? Why do you say that? You met Brandy? You can't, come on. I mean, it might be a little soon. Well, I think they can meet on the show.

I think they can meet on the show. Because she's one of the stars of Love Cabin. So we're on an extreme Love Cabin promo tour. So business, she'd be passing, like business. Yeah, like right now, we've gotten the opportunity to be on one of the biggest shows in the whole wide world to promote Love Cabin with Sheila and I. And this is a great moment for us for Love Cabin. Like, so how did you feel when he got to, Sheila? Sheila.

Sheila. Sheila. I'm sorry, Sheila. I like Shilera. But how did you feel when he was, when he professed his love and said he wants to get back with his family when you were there and together? Oh, honestly, I wasn't there at the time when he said that on the stream. I was sleeping. But I support him, whatever he, you know.

Oh, I like that Shiloh, that's what so. Sheila. Oh, it is Sheila? Sheila. Because she spells her name with a S-H-I. No, I thought I was saying it. Oh, Sheila. Oh, Sheila.

I want to love you to the morning. I have a question. So you went in the bed in the back when he was on the stream that day? I went to sleep because, you know, I was. I cried all night. I want Ray back with Princess, too, because that's when I saw Ray at his most stable. When Ray was with Princess, that's the Ray.

Well, Princess has to want him back as well, too. I was about to ask, how does Princess love feel about Sheila and? I think Princess is in a place where she has her nail shop. She's been super focused on work and really just trying to build her business. And so I haven't really got a chance to talk too much about it, but I know that I'm there for the kids and for her. financially and for love as well

Rai right Ray back with Princess I want both of them to be very happy I love them both See? Ray Ray says she wants both for them to be happy And Rara you go to the nail shop a lot You and Princess are y'all

Wow Prella Nail Shop Prella Beauty Bar Okay Sheila can we talk to Ray about some Pressing issues? For sure. Please Yeah

All right I'm not trying to tell you the move She used to the back days The back yeah can you So I think that's going to go to the back desk. Yeah, I think you go to the back desk. I think I'm about to cry. No, don't cry.

No, don't cry. Don't know. Sheila's about time for me. No, member. You better not very one. I need a tissue. No. Wait.

Are you trying? Does anyone have tissues? We all got to advance to different desks. Yeah, we don't cry. Because I don't need Ray J telling me out. What did you cry? I would not do that. I would not do that right.

I would never do that. Like, it was crazy. I go back. I mean, you've been a savage of times. Are you crying because you got a early career. I don't know you've grown. You've grown into a mega-mole. And you keep it low-key.

And you got my name right. Sheila, that's right. You got your mega-movelness. I am not, I'm not. No, man. Thank you, Sheila. I love that. You appreciate you.

That's a nice bag and everything. Did we want to buy you that? No. Okay. But thank you. But what did I buy you? Everything else. Ray, you got a type.

I just want you to know that. I just watch the scriptable video. Scrippable, yeah. I'll say everything else I got for her. Now, Ray, but I got more to give. Let's talk about part of turning the corner for rape. I love you, Rubber.

It's putting everything behind you with this Kardashian sex tape now. Oh, my goodness. When you look back at- I didn't bring this up. No, listen, when you look back at everything with the Kardashians, the tapes and the public back and forth, the legal threats, what do you feel people still misunderstand about your side of the story? Oh, yeah.

Well, I haven't talked to my lawyers enough to know if legally I can go into it all the way yet. But I just, I have a daughter, I have a son. And I love my daughter so much, and I love my son and my niece. And just if I was to die today, I think there's a lot of things that would be misunderstood about my story and about just the overall life that I lived. And I don't know if it's called legacy or just your biography, you know, from life to death. And before it's done, I just feel like there's a few things that I need to make sure we have understood from an overall. an overall situation and again this isn't me this is this is something that's been going on every year for 20 years like to this year not on my side on the other side and so i'm i'm not bringing this

back up 20 years later i'm not like sparking this back up to get some money it's not about that it's just about the truth and it's not even about me wanting the truth now this is about the other side every year doing something to me and it's been happening every year of my life. I'm talking about in 2025. It's a lot of things

that people don't know. And it's happening now. But you know the sad thing about it is I feel like we forget about that tape, right? And we think about all the other things that you do, the show, the electronics and the thing. I don't think we talk about that

as much. Nobody knows about the show. Nobody talk about the electronics. Nobody talks about what those are the things I think we should highlight more because you did amazing things in that space that we don't talk about. But we all know like when you're dealing with tech and when you're dealing with, you know, partners, the discreetness of success and money and what you do is it's something that you got to keep disciplined, right? You have to discipline yourself not to expose these businesses and the numbers and because you can't gloat about it. Do you feel like that tape holds you back? Like we've seen Kim do a collab with Nike. We've seen Kim do a collab with the NBA.

Do you feel like it holds you back from doing things? Do you feel like that? I don't know. You know. No, I don't know because the reason I say I don't know is there's other things to rage than just that tape. Like we'll see. And that's why I've been coloring outside the line.

That's building businesses. That doesn't have anything to do with public perception. If we run a business and we make an 80 or 90 million a year, there's no reason. for me to say that with my partners in the board wanting to keep a very solid, low-key business and to keep things discreet. So if we made $500 million, we couldn't, we can't do that. We can't talk about money because, first off, it's not relatable. Nobody can relate to numbers knowing that the EBITA numbers could be 1% or it could be 10% or 70%, right? So I can make

$100 million. My EBIT is 1%. I didn't make anything. I made $100 million. And so I think just keeping that kind of side of the business quiet is always showing good discipline to your partners if you want to do business with people in that kind of, in that kind of space. And we all know that. That's why when people say, oh, y'all making money, Charlotte, man, you got, you're like, man, I don't know what you're talking about. But I think. Exactly. But I think what I'm trying to say is that people don't take a lot of, not even that we don't know you're successful, but people don't take certain things serious in. There's been, we're trying to figure out if you think it's because the way you've been painted following the sex state.

Because even if you're successful, there is kind of this conversation about the big empire she's been able to build and then you on the other side and the way that people perceive you. Well, I talked to a big, a big journalist. I was one of the biggest news shows of all time. I sent him information just like I sent you. Just so you guys can see what this is. You saw the impact of what happened after, right? And I'm not going to. speak on that but um what he said was up until what i what you sent me i thought you were a narcissist ray jay i thought you were and he said i know and i'm going to keep it real a piece of shit you did this to a girl who was trying to just live her life you she overcame you she became successful you made a little bit of money you embarrassed yourself you embarrassed your sister you embarrassed your Mom, you embarrass your family.

That's all I thought about you up until now what you showed me. And that's mainstream America. Yeah, but Ray, it's more than that, though. But that's mainstream America. We know you, so we know the different side of you. But mainstream, we're talking about American Idol. We're talking about dancing with the stars.

We're talking about Marvel. We're talking about anything that grows into an A-list format of business. That's not there. So what do I do? We color outside the lines. and we become successful in other areas. But Ray, it's more than that. Like when they look at you, sometimes, they see your highlights, right?

We know you from differently, right? But if you look at Ray's highlights, outside of that sex tape, they might see you pushing your wife into the pool. They might see you drunk online saying some wild shit. Yeah. Shout out to Princess. No, I didn't. It happened.

She tripped. She fell into the pool. That's not okay. But there's other things outside of that sex tape that would make Ray look bad. Not just that sex tape. Don't go. You see what I'm saying? That was not a good moment.

It wasn't. And again, I've done over 5,000 hours of reality TV. Correct. And we built successful businesses with Viacom. We built successful businesses with Zeus. Correct. Now we have Zeus Power Antronics, which is about to be another level. Shout out to Lemmy and shout out to the infrastructure that they have there with him being a scientist.

And things move forward. It still doesn't take away from my daughter and my son. um knowing everything and everything is being complete as far as who i really am in my story and i don't and i don't i can't i'm i don't know if we went really deep with this and i'm in trouble because i know legally i can't really speak until we figure this out but it it it does um it does reflect on how i interact and how i project myself to people because once i'm once i say i'm done and I'm on another level and I'm, you know, a different person.

I need everything to be complete with that because if that's not complete, then I'm going to stay turned up until everything is complete. I do want to say one thing with the sex tape and mainstream America should notice. That sex tape could not be sold and distributed without everybody's concern.

Bottom line point blank period. I don't think everybody knows. I don't think everybody knows. See, and that's what I'm saying. When I see y'all talk about it, y'all kindly go, I think everybody knows that. everybody knows something everybody feels something let it be known ask the questions everybody signed on the everybody signed on 46th that and ask the real ask the real that is a that is a everybody's consent everybody had to give their consent in order for

that tape but if y'all are with the culture let me ask the real question okay let me ask you a couple questions and you just answer what you can I text you that question yes yeah In the meantime, I'm going to text Charlemagne. In the meantime, right? So you're going to text this day. No, it's good. It's good.

No, because this is the question to ask. I'm with you, a thousand percent. This is one question or two questions to ask. And if the culture can get that clear, then we can all be clear and I can move on with my life. And I can love my daughter and son, and I'll be worried about them fighting for, like, my image and who I really am. Like, that shit, it really hurts me. That's the only thing that makes me cry and makes me, like, feel. feel bad is that I don't want

my kids to have to deal with what I'm dealing with. Have you had a conversation? I know they're young They're too young but they're almost there. That's what scaring me is that I told myself before they actually see it and get it, I have to do my job. If not I can't

live here. Can you pull it off the sites? Is it possible? It's not about pulling all the sites. My phone is give me one of your phones. I'm going to just show him in the text. I'm going to show him I'm not going to do you think the public narrative would have been different for you Ray if you had the same level of PR machinery that the Kardashians got

to the mic it hurts to talk about it bro I don't want to get emotional because I just want to do I want to be a good person well if he was saying I'm and when I say I want to be a good person I'm already a good person it's just well if he wasn't black man exactly but you see you don't go that hard but if you wasn't in black ray because you got a lot of props for your penis in that video

if you wasn't black you wouldn't have got those problems I thought we said we weren't doing that word with his niece here I'm sorry right so Ray J can you talk about what's in the actual doc because people were surprised too that there were two tapes that y'all shot okay try to talk to the mic he's doing something I hold it in my pause this is how the tape started

that's exactly what Chris Jenner said Chris Deniz you hold to Mike Senator DeLoren you don't ask that or maybe you can Lauren you don't ask that

you are a good friend I don't know what this is going to be see I know he can't ask it that's what the answer listen now now for the culture in a journalistic way

now for the coach the culture demand those two questions being asked as the culture and then I can sit back and I can just chill and I and there's no more they're like now okay so let's let's start so now listen like Lauren is asking the questions not me shout out to my lawyers let's move this mic out the way who Steve Hirsch is the president of vivid yes right and I'm gonna tell you how I know that I used to work for Wendy Williams that's how I know these Yeah, so Vivid is the porn company that the tape came out on. Steve Hirsch is or was the president of Vivid, correct?

Correct. Who introduced you to Steve Hirsch? That's the question I want you to ask the other side. That's not the question for me. That's the question that, no, no, no, this is serious. On the dead homies. The other side has never come up here. No, no, no.

It's not about the other side coming up. Dead homies. Okay. Because we had this conversation. They're dead, so they're fine. Okay. Okay Shout out to the other

What's the second question So who is the... No, I'm saying You have to You have to demand that As a culture From the other side Okay

That's what I'm talking about Nobody's doing that They're just letting it We're just letting it fly by When you were having conversations With Steve Hirsch Who from the other side Was also in the conversation

Who introduced me to him Is the question The mom Okay, so second question Race team is like stop He's not answering He's not answering There's too much

If it's too much We don't want him to get in no legal trouble Okay Here's what's crazy Spiral or Spirrull or whatever that niggas name is He's gonna hit y'all with the shit too Right after this

Y'all gonna get hit And everybody got hit And that's where you go red flags. That's where she's red flags in every aspect. But it's not. He's talking to the mic, right? What's the other question, Lori? So the second question is, who is the person that put the sex tape together?

He's not going to answer. He's not going to answer. He said he was just to ask. These are not for me. In the document. These are not for me. These are for you to demand it from the other side as my friends. Gotcha.

Yes. DJ Envy. Yes, sir. You said you had my back. I do. Find these questions out. Lauren, you're a fucking big journalist. You come from TMZ and every other place that's at the top of the spot.

Demand that question be answered. Charlemagne, I want you to too. I don't know how to say it like I said it about them, but you are the one that could be like, we demand it as a culture. Because at the end of the day, this could be some civil rights shit. Like, if you really think about it, but y'all not thinking about it like that,

and nobody really is because money talks and bullshit runs the marathon and nobody wants to fuck up the check y'all don't y'all already got your bag but when you get in lawsuit after lawsuit and ceasing desist y'all they're pressing what why is it worth it

you got to fall back as a unit as an eye hard board like I might even call Paul and tell him I'm dying out here who's Paul? Who's Paul? Paul Carvino who the hell is that don't do that I love you I don't know who Paul is.

Okay. Oh, no. Who's Paul Cavino? They're going to Google it. Did you see the statement that Spiro dropped? Oh, a film producer. No. That's what came up for me.

Paul's the big dog out of heart. No, no, he's not. A film producer came up for me. Any Bob? No, don't say that. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, no, hold on. Yeah, you guys are playing with me.

So Paul Corvino, according to LinkedIn, I heard media. He's a division president. What division? I don't know. Is, oh, in L.A.? Because he's listed in L.A. I don't know. Oh, it must be L.A.

I just got here, so I wouldn't know. He's Bob's number two. Okay. Okay. Are we good with that? Oh, so listen. You said before that you were painted as the villain. How does a black man fight a machine this big?

When you're dealing with the legal team, reality show Empire, the global brand of the Kardashians, how do you fight that and protect your reputation at the same time? support he said he can't are you listening you need support yes support

ask the questions demand the answers and if they don't come back it's a red flag if they do come back whether it's under oath or not and it's wrong that's when you guys do your job right

but I guess all of this is under the table because we don't matter obviously this is some kind of like a joke and some kind of 25 years span. I don't give a fuck. This is not me. If I could talk more, I'm not doing this.

This is not me. This is what I'm going through right now legally with them that's making it public. And now I'm getting suits saying I'm doing this and doing that. Outside of arbitration, outside of everything else that's supposed to be. I can't say anything else. Do you sign the NDA where you can't talk? Because this is your life. No, I just don't know if this is okay right now

because it just happened. So I have to call my lawyers because... But even in the settlement that y'all did, there weren't things on both sides where like you also can't do and say things because the stream is what kicked it off. The stream is what? The stream took it to a different...

It brought it to these documents that we received. No, it didn't. I was already there. It was just an arbitration. Oh, so y'all had already been... It was already at a high level where I felt like I was a slave And I was, I was a nigger. No.

Your niece is too funny, man. When you hit that hard, ER, she, Oh. See, it was, but, but,

Charlemagne, that's not, that's not okay because it was, it was emotion. I know, but now, we watered it down and instead of it being so powerful yes that was powerful no no no it was probably it was it was powerful and let's move on it was powerful at this point rate oh i feel like if there's no

india you should do a documentary and be able to tell your own story because they can't sue you if it's facts they can't sue me period these isn't facts these this is life this is me like telling you that is white and you're saying it's black and they're like well it's blacker than white right now just because we don't want to get in trouble

we're getting ceases and deceases because we see the paper is white but they're saying it's black but a cease and desist and I don't want to fuck with their lawyers that's what's happening when are you guys going to come in and ask the questions for me

and if you can't I understand that I've had companies I've been pressed by my board I've created companies and have the board not want me there, right? Off companies we create it. I get it. And I'm not going to, like, like.

This is a good conversation you start. I'm going to tell you, do you think the industry owes you an apology for letting one family's version of events dominate the news cycle for all the years? Once it's all said and done, and they got the truth. Like, if they get the truth, then I think that they'll actually shed a tail for me and they'll feel sorry for me. What happens when we ask these questions and we don't get responses and you can't talk about things? So, you know, listen, you know as a journalist, you can rewind the tapes on Joe, Joe Cardone or whatever.

They've already said what they didn't do. Ask them again. Ask them again and tell them to stand on it. Stand on it for the culture. One time, answer these two questions. They owe it to the world. They owe it to their fans. They owe it to their family.

They owe it to their kids. They owe it to my kids. they owe it to my sister they owe it to my mom answer those two questions I'm gonna see what the last thing with the chat and I guarantee you

you guys won't do it because once you start that call's gonna happen and that call's gonna shut it down and that's what hurts me to boast I don't know they're saying is now I can tell you what my chat is saying too now they say you guys agreed to do a tape

you both got paid and now you're changing your mind And that's what it, that's what they, it seems like to them. And that's what's sad because there's so much more to the story. I'm not changing anything, man. I'm the one being sued. I'm the one being pressed. If I could tell you everything, which I want to, I would.

But I need to talk to my lawyers. All I want to do is say everything. I talk to Chris Cuomo. And I want to, I want to do a one-on-one because he understands it. I don't know if I can or not. But if I can, I'm going to do it after. this or with Charlotte Maine and DJ Envy and Warren

Jess is too hilarious for this Let's move on because you can't discuss it and get you in trouble I'm in trouble already bro Like this is bad If you look at how the Kardashians handle media versus how you've handled media What's the biggest lesson you've learned about controlling your own narrative? I don't give a fuck

That's controlling the narrative When I how I am now It exudes what anybody can do It seems like it's a crash out, but it's a voice where I'm speaking my voice and every day is getting heard. And that's it, whether it's a crash out or not, you look at all these other dudes that's been involved in that other situation. They're done. They're going through it. They don't work.

They're mentally messed up. Whether you got a $2 billion budget or you got a $200,000,000,000, everybody's done they're going crazy suicidal i've been that way all because y'all didn't listen all because y'all didn't listen and y'all didn't help me that's why we don't know that you need help until you tell us right like i'm just i've seen you post things publicly like i've cried out i've cried to you i've cried to you dj nb you won't give me your number um no i i i found you on Instagram, I think. And you said,

call Charlemagne, I ain't in it. I said, dang. Right. Where do you go from there? When the culture won't help you. When nobody wants to ask the question. And again,

everybody has a family. We can't jeopardize our food on our plate for our family. But my plate whether it's a big plate it's supposed to be way bigger because if I'm able to sustain this and survive this

and drop companies and sell companies and come back and crash out and survive that too and still be in here like I don't give a then I should be where should I really be where should I really be

the coach says you did this to yourself because you have a type and Dr. Unmar doesn't approve your type Dr. Umar is like, see, me and Dr. Umar had an argument. He know that he, he like Sukei. Yes. But Suke's with me. Okay, okay.

So he can't like Suke. So he tried to press me. And I said, Dr. Umar, don't do that because you big, but you're not big. You're not that big. I'll take you one. You still with Suke? I'm always with Suke. Don't cry, Sheila.

Sheila, do not cry. Sheila, Sheila, don't cry, Sheila. Sheila, don't cry. I wasn't expected to. Don't cry, Sheila. Okay.

And I told Sukki boyfriend that two days ago. Oh, so this is like recently still with Suu K. I told Sukki boyfriend two days ago, stand down. Don't you ever put your hands on Suke and we're good? Other than that, y'all live your life. And you still paying out, like, monthly you hitting her off with the, what was it, 75K or something? That ain't nothing. Okay.

I need y'all to help me but pass the other thing all right so let's go to another subject all right we're done with this please you guys depressed me I'm sorry and y'all hit me in the heart no I'm sorry because all I think about is my daughter and my son I get it and what they got to go through in life man think about it no yeah being a father how does that shift your how did that shift how you think about the public narrative around you and also your past suicidal yeah it's it's unconventional You know, like, because I love my daughter so much. How would she ever think of me like that? Right.

Like, it kills me. I'm talking about some of this shit I be doing online. I just be, like, I'll be just crashing out because there ain't nowhere else to go. And so it's just my daughter, my son, I think, can handle it. I just want my daughter to be okay, man, and her to know that that's, that whatever you're hearing. Because y'all are the same age as them as y'all grow up. So eventually you're going to have this spat. I'd rather the truth for a dollar than a billion dollars for a fucking lie, bro.

Keep your money. They owe me money. Keep that. Just tell the truth for one buck. And I can start over. And if people don't care, it doesn't matter about what people don't care. We're all living right now. It's about when we die, bro.

Everybody living is like, why are they doing this? I don't give a fuck about none of that. All I care about is my daughter and my son. And when I think about that, I'm going to crash crazy. Are you talking to somebody besides Dr. Cheyenne Bryant? Are you talking to a therapist on a regular basis? Because when you start talking to suicidal thoughts, I want to make sure Ray is good. I don't know, man.

I just, I'm not playing, bro. It hurts me every day. I don't care how much money I made, how much money I got. I got a daughter and I love her and I got a son and I love him. And I just don't want to disappoint them, bro. You do know, life will be better with you here with them and not here. You do know that. If I'd rather die for the truth, if I got to die for them to know the truth,

then I'd rather be exited out so they can live a good life. That's on the dead on me. That's on the dead on me zone. You want to walk your daughter down in high. I'm keeping it real, bro. You want to take your son to his games. Like, you want to be here, right? And I know what you talk about, but you do.

They help me. Like, they help me. I don't call you every day when you start talking like this, right? Don't call me. I'm serious. Ask the questions. Don't call me I'm serious

Don't call me Ask the questions I am going to call you Ask the questions Don't call me Ask the questions Demand the questions Demand the answers

Demand the answers DJ envy Demand them Even if you don't get the answers We still want you here regardless Wow That's just so political We'll ask the questions

But I want you here If it's going to be political Then I'm going to hit the strip club And I'm going to be political See? We want to You don't want nobody swearing on you. You know what I'm saying?

Would you want somebody swearing on you? Ask the question, Charlemagne. They got you. That's easy. That's easy. Go ahead, Lord. So I just, okay, let's get to something more uplifting, positive in Ray J's life.

So you talked to big. I don't know how to go anywhere past this, yo. Well, you got, you said you need, you said you need to. Get Ray J a hug, man. Get Ray a hug, man. Get a real hug, man. I can't, bro. Come on, man.

Come on, man. You got a hug, man. Come on, Ray. Give me a hug, man. Give your brother hug you. We're going to ask the question, we love you. We love you. If he won the hug race

since he started talking about that sex tape. If he started thinking about that sex tape, he wanted to put a hands on, he want to hugger. Yo, shut up, man. I'm just going to hug my brother. Shout to tell, brother, you got to love him, man.

We love him. Jokes is jokes. We're going to ask the questions. We're going to ask the questions, Ray. All right, well. So, ask the questions. Ask him right now. Ray, serious, though.

Yeah, he's serious. Ask the questions. Ask the questions to the public. Go ahead. No, not to the public, too. It's too. Nothing's bigger than the program. So we have to figure out how is that going to work for the program. We all have boards. We all have people that's going to figure it out. We're all bosses,

but we have boards. So we're not saying nobody's the boss of nobody, but the board is bigger than the boss. You're just saying that you want the question that. We're not going to ask the questions. We're going to ask the questions. Because I know what the end goal is. The end goal is. the question not, you don't have to ask it here.

But here's the thing. Ask it somewhere else. Demand it. Create the, create the, like, the, the, the protest. But Ray, I think something bigger than even asking the question, what you want is simply for them to say we were all in this together. No, I wanted to just be very simple. I wasn't the one that was being together. That orchestrated. I was just a fucking tool, bro.

I didn't do nothing. I never had none of that. I never had none of the sex states in my hand. ever in fucking life they never been in my hand never a tool stop it man you can't take anything serious man

he just said that he's a T with a tool I respect it what he's saying what he's you can't get nothing as soon as you said the two I can come back up in crazy the chat was like let's move on different conversation

Rara don't want me to do no more listen to your niece okay okay can we bring her up here and talk about her music. No, not after you're talking about your tool. Come on, nah. That is not the segue. We're going to clear.

We're going to change. We're going to change. That is not the segue, Ray. Ray, that is not okay. Can we get another chair? I'm here for her in the mic. This is, see, y'all don't understand the toll

this takes on a man. Spiritual hygiene. That's a great book for you to read. We're going to play Rai Rai song today, too. Rai Rana says a other. No, she's all right now. No, she's all right. How are you feeling,

Rahra. Damn. A lot. Big conversation. Welcome to the breakfast club, Rai, Rai. Oh, my God. You're welcome. Rai Rha.

Rha. Rha's here. Well, I'm really glad you here, though, because Ray needs this kind of real family support around him. You know? No, never. How are you feeling Rai? The only other time I was like, I'm going to take some real, real deep questions.

When I see Ray with his family, when I see Ray with people like Billy, that's when I'm like, okay, Ray is. in good hands. Shout out to Billy Jay. Yeah, shout to Billy Jay. People would actually care about it. Yeah. You know what I mean?

I get emotional when I'm up here with my niece. I can't do it. Yeah. He's the greatest uncle on earth and the greatest dad too.

What do you think people misunderstand about him? Don't answer that. No, let's talk about but just talk about No, don't bother her like that. Just have her answer. No, let's have her talk about

her music and shit, bro. Don't have her talk about this shit, please, bro. I can't have her up her. I don't care. Ra, right, what's going on with your music? How's your music going? No, it don't matter, man.

I think you need to hear that, really. I don't care. You might think it's a perception that even your family is. I love my little niece. Let's not bring her into this. Okay. All right, let's just talk about her music and stuff, bro. He's amazing.

Let's not do it, bro. On the dad always, bro. And the greatest father. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. Do you feel pressure being Brandi's daughter and pursuing a singing career?

Oh, yeah, absolutely. That's big. That's some big shoes. But you sang, though. Thank you. Thank you. No, yeah, I know it's a lot. And it's a lot coming from my uncle, too, you know.

I think I get my little personality from him, too. I'm real hyper, real energetic like him. And, you know, singing. Mommy's like that too, though. The whole family is. But, yeah, it's a lot. I love you, Sarah. I love you, Uncle.

Did they want you to pursue a thing in career? When you first told him, like, I sing. at first my grandma didn't as much until she heard my voice um she really wanted me to be an attorney like a lawyer um because i'm really good at arguing um but um no i went to school for business i got my degree and everything so it's it's you know i'm trying to do both i want my masters so i'm taking a year off though um and then i might go back next year um but yeah i know i have my my degree and in the studio and you know the new movies coming out so I'm really excited about Christmas

Every Day. Christmas Every Day, yeah. Me and my mom play Sisters, which is kind of weird. And is your acting debut? Yeah, it's my first movie ever. I didn't know I would like acting like that, so it was great to get that opportunity. Wow.

It's fire. And then so acting debut, and then you guys are talking about doing a joint project musically, you and Brandy, right? Yeah. Wow. That's some pressure. Yes.

That's dope. No. Oh, well, obviously, she's very involved. And what I do musically, she's vocal produced, along with Troy Taylor. He didn't, mom, did they vocal produce me for this whole upcoming project that I'm putting out. But, yeah, they pushed me a lot, both of them. And it's really crazy, you know, people would pay a lot of money to have her in the studio. I'm like, get out, you know.

Like, leave me alone. But, you know, I'm so grateful. But it's a lot of pressure. It's a lot. She pushes me a lot. So what does success look like for you? I think I'm already successful being in this family I can be a Nepo baby to the day I die

Okay, I like that type of thought I mean I love it I love watching you know You know mom and Uncle Ray J and even my grandma just work And my in my granddad you know working It's like yeah I'm just here just in pretty I can do it all day But you know I love to work I really love to work That's why I got my degree I went to college all of it

I love working And with all this stuff coming up I'm excited but, you know, I think just being around everybody and just, you know, feeling everything, I just feel like I'm already successful. I have beautiful friends, beautiful family, you know, beautiful cousins. So, you know, I'm good.

I'm good over here. Life is great. There's no pressure. All you got to do is create the type of art you want to make. Yeah. You can make the kind of moves you want to make. Like, there's no pressure. Yeah, and I'm so blessed

because a lot of people don't have that open door. You know, it's really hard to put your foot in. And I had it. So I'm so, like, I'm so grateful. I'm so blessed. And I never want people to think that I'm, like, taking advantage of it. That's why, like, when you hear music or even the movie, like, I was in acting lessons for a month straight. I wasn't, you know, I did vocal lessons.

I know how to play piano, ukule. Like, I was in dance. Like, I've been in dance competitions. You get what I'm saying? Like, I just know that my foot was already in the door. So, like, I just wanted to work 10 times harder because it's like it's already there. Okay. So you go to college.

Well, get straight A's. And then you're in the highest honors. You know what I mean? So it's like something in me. It's like I had it. But don't let people think, you know, like, you know, you already got it. So just, no, I work a little harder. Just a little bit.

Look at Ray's face. Look at how proud. Look at the proud. I love it. What's it like being on tour with your mom and Monica? Oh, it's exhausting. No, it's so fun. It's fun.

It's great to see her. She deserves it. She really, really deserves this. And the thing I think is ill about you is like, I can see both versions, right? I can see, like, Brandy is very polished, very media trained. And you got your uncle who's very outspoken, says what the hell he wants. I can see both in you, but you know how to control it.

I can see it. Like, you're not going to ever get to this unless you want to. I might, okay. Somebody puts me out of hard. Your mother will put you in a headlock if you ever. Oh, very much so. Quickly. My mom gets like that too.

Come on now. mom's very real you know she is she's quote unquote media training okay but no she's just her and like so is my uncle

I just feel like we just don't put up a facade like we're very real you know what I mean so if my uncle feels a certain way if brandy feels a certain way if I feel a certain way even Sonia

Sonia be you know talking you know what she wants to talk about you know what I mean so it's like we're just real and I don't think in this family

I don't think we're media dream you know what I mean I don't know we not get the Norwood's reality show we did have a reality they did the whole family yeah yeah it was a while ago it was yeah 2000 I don't remember the whole family having a reality show I was like nine all right I was in it but no they had they had two seasons right yeah it was a brandy and Ray J family business right oh yeah got you got you got you got you got you got you well thank y'all for joining us yeah man he really appreciate you but listen By the way, when you see people like Ray J's niece, you understand his plight.

That's right. So take that, then factor in his kids, and you'll understand the fight he's waging right now. Very much. Are you crying, right now? He just takes care of everything. Everybody. They have a lot on his plate. He has a lot on it.

He takes care of a lot, a lot of people. Thank you for holding unk down, Rara. Of course. Always. My favorite purse on her. Ray J, we love you, brother. all right it's the breakfast she'll we see you back there too no

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