The Breakfast Club - Best Of Full Interview: Wallo267 Breaks Down His Prison Experience, Inspiring The Youth, His New Book + More

Episode Date: January 1, 2025

Best of 2024 - Recorded September 2024 - Wallo267 Breaks Down His Prison Experience, Inspiring The Youth, His New Book. Listen For More!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Wallo! Listen man, welcome to the Breakfast Club. This morning presented to you by Million Dollars Worth a Game. Listen man, we done bought the company man, it's good. It's going down man, we doing it big now man. Got my brother right here. I'm so proud of you Wallo man. Listen man, I wanna good. It's going down, man. We doing it big now, man. Got my brother right here. I'm so proud of you, Wildo, man. Listen, I want to give you, before I even start,

I gotta give you your flowers, because you been, man, me and you had had several phone calls. We had a thousand phone calls. A couple years ago, you hit me up. You was like, Wildo, you need a book. This was years ago. And you was talking about how you and Kev was talking about,

you and Kevin Hart was talking about something. Man, Wildo would be crazy on the audio book, which I did my own audio book. Shout out to Ayanna Van Zandt also who did the audio. She did the forward for me. Shout out to 13A, my publisher, man, for you know. Charles Su. Yes, for making it happen, Simon and Schuster.

But we here now. You told me, you keep telling me about the book. The book changed your life. That's right, and you got too much of a story, man. The book, the book, that's all you kept saying and now we here, man. All with good intentions, you know, and it's game changer for me.

The book title is perfect for you because there's not too many people on this planet who come with good intentions like Wallo does. Appreciate that, man. When did you develop that mentality? I don't know, man, I was on the street corners. I had good intentions on the street corners. I just wanted to steal American dream, man. I said, man, I was on the street corners. I had good intentions on the street corners. I just wanted to steal American dream.

And I said man, this shit is too slow. And I never seen nobody in my neighborhood. The only people that got respect in my neighborhood was the successful criminals. So even though I was a good person growing up, my grandma raised me well, my mom, you know, I was like, I gotta figure this out. So I said, man, only people they respect out here

is the people that's winning. By any means. And then even in America, I was like, damn, hold up, America, they only respect the Scarface, they only respect the Godfather, they don't respect nobody else? I gotta go get some money. So I just figured out, you know,

even though my heart was good, I had to go figure it out. And that led me to prison most of my life. But you know, even in there. You spent 13 years, right? 20! 20, I did 20 penitentiary, five years, and then out of the juvenile system. And even in there, I remember,

always, all I did was laugh in jail and just do what I needed to do, educate myself, because I realized that, and to the point where somebody said I was one of the nicest dudes in prison, because I knew why I was there. I did mine, so I was accountable for my bullshit. So, you know, and that helped me change and develop

into what I become today. And, you know, I'm just happy to be here. And I try my best to share all the knowledge that I got, as you know, with our people to show, let's listen, we bigger than what y'all think we are. Because I always say this, and it's crazy to me, it's like, you know, back in the day, we didn't have nothing, but we had everything because we had each other.

And that was important, and it's like, it seemed like now we find so many reasons not to deal with each other, and it's like, God damn, who you working for? Work. That's right. Like, you go on social media, it's like who you working for, but I had to realize something.

A lot of us don't wanna look in that mirror and deal with it. I don't hate Envy because of his money, his cars, his family, his marriage. I hate Envy because Envy getting love for doing something that I always wanted to do, but I ain't have enough heart to go out here and do it. What, die a bit?

No, I'm not talking about that. I'm just talking about in general. Yeah, you do got that Beijing. But I'm just saying, shout out to Beijing, get my deal. It's not Beijing. But like this ain't third. It's just for man, but. Oh damn, okay, you better be paying you

the way you need to be. Put that out there. Promo. But what I'm saying is like, that's how our culture became. It became like this in social media, made it like, a lot of people gotta look in the mirror and say, damn, I didn't materialize my dreams. And that's the hardest thing to do.

So it's more easy to say, Charlamagne the sucker envy this, Lord this, just this. It's much more easy to say than to say, let me get off my ass and go ahead and do something with my life. But it's just sad out here when you see it now and it's like, we just, I don't know, man. And all we ever had was each other.

That's the only way we ever made it in life. In the book, you say, it's actually in the chapter arm of good intentions. You said, you screamed out one day and you made it a daily reminder that nobody will save you. Nobody. Especially when I was in prison, I'm like, we complaining and we doing, I'm like,

yo, bro, we inside these white folks spot. Man, ain't nobody coming. Like if this shit go off, anything go bro, we inside these white folks spot, ain't nobody coming. Like if this shit go off, anything go, we gonna be locked in these cells, ain't nobody coming. But that's the same thing in the ghetto, ain't nobody never come and save nobody. Who saves who?

It's real. What was the change for you? Because you said you were in and out, what was the change? You said, yo, I gotta get this right and I gotta change myself. Like to be realistic, man, I got tired of being in jail with a bunch of niggas.

You know what I'm saying? I wanted to take a butt nigga shower. You know what I mean? I couldn't do that. I wanted to sleep naked in the bed. I couldn't do that because I got a celly. I don't know if he might wake up in the middle of the night and be like, yo man, I need parts of that.

Like what we doing? Yeah, I'll be straight up. He might wake up in the middle of the night and be like, hey my man, let's figure something out. Oh shit! So I don't know, I'm just being real. Because listen, you know what's crazy, I think one of the reasons I made it through jail so smoothly

because I was always a comedian on the low. You know what I'm saying, I was always funny. They was like, I mean, I was, because I wasn't there scared to death. You know how dudes come on from jail, I be trying to wonder that shit, I did all this time in jail, I be like, what program was you on that you wasn't scared in jail, that you was just so tough? Because I was scared to wonder that shit. I did all this time in jail. I be like, what program was you on that you wasn't scared in jail,

that you was just so tough? Because I was scared to death. Soon as that judge gave me them numbers, and you had your thing together, shit ain't about nothing, you know what I mean? Like, shit ain't about nothing. I looked at it, all right, say my little words back and forth. You see, it's a back and forth wordplay I had with the judge.

I said, hey, I'm gonna be back, I walked in the joint. You know what I mean? Now you gotta do the walk back in because now you're going back into the cages where everybody looking at you when you come in, what'd they give you? That shit ain't about nothing, man. They gave me a little 20s, man. That shit ain't enough.

A little 20, Jesus Christ. No, but that's the cat. That's the cat. By the time I get to my cell late on that, I throw that towel up, crying like a baby, man, for a newborn. Damn. And then once the shackles hit,

you box like a animal, the shackles going from your arm to your feet. You get upstate, you hit that penitentiary yard, you like, where my mom at? Oh shit, I didn't know it was like this. I'm seeing people with knives longer than a giraffe trunk. I'm like shit. How old were you?

I went to the penitentiary when I was 17, but I hit the big prison yard when I turned 18. I was in Dallas Penitentiary in Pennsylvania. And that was a different type of job, man. I'm seeing people get married in the yard and all that shit. I'm like, I ain't trying to be nobody's wife. I ain't signing up for this shit. So I'm looking like-

You said married in the yard. No, people was getting married in the yard. And I said, damn, man. Shit, I was- It wasn't real weddings, though. No, it was real weddings. It wasn't no, like, if you got the Bible when you got somebody that's efficient, it's real.

You were sitting there like you were just in the yard too. No, I was walking the yard and I walked back. Okay, I'm like, was you like a guest at the wedding? No, I wasn't no guest. I was in the backdrop because I was walking in the yard. So I'm like, I'm sitting there and I'm like, oh shit. I ain't trying to get married in the yard, man. Damn.

Like, want some real shit. And then I'm seeing people getting stabbed and all. I'm like, yo, I'm not trying to, why the, so I would go to my cell and be like, yo, what the fuck is going on? I ain't signing up for this. Because nobody tell you this because only stories that we hear back in the hood

about jail is that you come home and you get rewarded and you get acknowledged and you tough and all this other shit, you get muscles. But I'm like, damn, ain't nobody talking about the scary part. So I had to be the one to tell the scary part, to tell the real part because I was scared. Especially listen, when I first listen to no bullshit,

I get up to the big penitentiary, this was the one. I get up to the big penitentiary, this is why I always fucking with everybody because I need to tell them your stories. I get up to the stories from the cell. So I get up to the penitentiary, it's shower time. I go down there, I got my boxers on and all that, so I'm like damn, we go down there,

and this is my first time in a real, cause it's like, it was like, I started, I went to the penitentiary when a lot of younger dudes started to go, like you was getting certified as adult that created New Law, so a long time, it was no young boys in the one penitentiary, I went to Dallas penitentiary, it was mostly old heads, and they had the most lifers

in the state of Pennsylvania at this time. So, you could be in a cell with anybody. You could do one year being in a cell with a lifer. It don't matter. So, I go to go to the shower. So, I got my towel on, my boxers on. And when I went to the shower, right, I go down there steamed up and everything.

The shower's probably like, it's probably like, in that joint, probably maybe 15 shower heads. And the block got a hundred and something dudes on it. I go down there steamed up and everything. The shower is probably like, it's probably like in that joint probably maybe 15 shower heads and the block got a hundred and something dudes on there. So when I go in the shower room, it was like a movie, like everybody looked at me like, why you got them boxes on?

Anybody, I'm talking about it was a, I'm talking about it was a sword showing that joint, man. You wanna see what you working with? No, no, I'm just like, no, it's like, that's not normal, like you, and I'm like, you know what? That day I realized that a shower wasn't important than a birdbath. I said, I could go back to myself and just wash up there.

Why would I need, why do a shower really mean that? So you ain't taking a shower and be fresh for all the men? You just birdbath the whole way? No, I took it for a while until I just, you know, went down there and just had my shorts on. You had to get comfortable. Cause I was like, damn, man, why everybody got to be naked in this joint, man?

And then they looking at you, and then they talking. They be asking, they talking. Yeah, you see the game? Oh, man, what's the name? Went off, Emma Smith. I'm like, damn. Oh, man. Like, is y'all supposed to be doing this shit?

I don't know. When did you get comfortable with it, like your first naked shower? No, I never got a naked shower. You had to. The whole time. Oh, yeah, I did. Hold up.

Let me just say this. Can I say this? Can I say this? But I got one when I got to the jail where you get your own booth. Okay. I wasn't trying to be a part of it because it's like a volunteer, like you volunteering something. How long it took to do that?

Oh, years. It took years, but different jail, different part of the jail got different sections where you get a single shower. So in that jail was the ones where you got the single shower locked in. But it was like, man, I always felt like that was the volunteering services. Like you was given invitations to something.

So I didn't know. Was the Coke can story real? That Boosie be talking about sometime? It was a different prison though. I figured it might be the same prison. Which one? When you say a Coke can. In the shower, that mean two men in there fucking.

No, no, it's different things going on in different prisons. I can't speak to that because I wasn't in the geographical location of him. But it's different stuff, fed state, different states. But it's like, I just knew that I was- How did they signal sodomy in the prison you was in? What you mean signal?

Like what you- No, it wasn't no signal. People was making love to slow music, man. It wasn't no, like you knew what time it was. Dudes had red light. Listen, bro. Dudes used to take paint. Dudes used to take, no, no, no, listen.

Dudes used to take paint and paint, they like red. It'd be red lights. Red light, spazz. Man, they got the music playing. You like don't look in that cell. Cause you ain't supposed to look in nobody's cell. So I'm like, man, I, you know, you can't look in nobody's cell.

But that's the signal though. The signal was the red light. No, it could be anything, man. You could walk in the bathroom in the yard, somebody be tongue kissing and, you know, romantic. I don't know. It was a lot of stuff. Jesus Christ.

I just knew that I just wanted to make it out innocent. I don't want my innocence to be removed from me. That's all. But it was wild, man. But I knew, it was certainly changes why I knew. I said, oh man, I can't, mm-mm. I can't go back to this shit. Dude put something on my bed one time.

I didn't even know. What'd he put on your bed? No, no, this what happened. No, no, no, this what happened. So what happened is my laundry came back, folded and I'm like, damn man, these people, man, they fold your laundry and everything, man. I'm happy as shit, laundry, there was a couple snacks left.

I'm like, so I'm like like damn. This is what's up So oh gee from down the way he peeped. Do you mean I asked my sister? I mean they did before he said what they did what so he went and checked the older dude that did it The older dude was trying to go on a date, but I didn't know it was I didn't know that what did he leave though? No, no, no, no, he didn't leave. No. No, you know, she left some nice. Oh, yeah, a box of nutty bars it was some soup some chips and it was a nice, it was a, listen, if O.A. would have told me, I would have had, it was a nice spread, you know what I mean?

So you gave it back to him, you had to give it back to him. I had to give it back to him. Yeah, because if you accepted. No, no, but it wasn't just that. He folded my laundry, he worked in the laundry, he made my drawers and all, it was folded. So I'm thinking like, damn, this is the protocol, or what they, damn, I'm like,

damn, they got some good service here. You know what I mean? But once I realized that he was looking for a date, I didn't, I said, oh shit. You see what I'm saying? Luckily I had the old head there because I don't know what the fuck happened. Yeah, but it was crazy.

It was crazy, man. It was deep. That's why y'all gotta read this book, man. It was deep, man. Oh, now you dedicated the book to Lil' Steve, Aunt Ruby, Grandma Aura, Uncle James, Uncle Tommy, and hip hop. How did- No, hip, yeah, that's my step-hop.

How did each of those people contribute to your journey? My Aunt Ruby, first of all, my grandma, that's my grandma, my grandma Nanny. She be 90'd, September 30th. She's extraordinary. Aunt Ruby, and her used to always gang war. My Aunt Ruby, you know, she was the only person I seen straighten my grandma out,

and don't nobody straighten nanny out. And they used to be going, this was her younger sister. Oh man, and I used to call home from jail the stories that Aunt Ruby used to tell me was unbelievable. But Aunt Ruby was special, she just was different. And she loved us, loved us and me. She wound up passing, and passed in my grandma's house, the middle room that I wound up making parole to.

That was one of the reasons I was able to make parole because you know, whatever. But God bless her. My grandma, Aura, she passed when I was in prison. She was amazing, always real, tell you just like it is. She was from the streets. Uncle Tommy passed since I've been home. Steve was your brother, right?

Steve was my big brother. He passed in my grandma arms in the crib. He got shot, ran down the street, died in grandma arms, and she opened the door. He expired. That was my guy. But everybody, them people is personal. You know what I'm saying?

And they were special in my life in different ways. They helped me in so many different ways and it's things that I carry today that I got from them during my journey through, especially when they was here. And I always wanna remember them people because I feel as though, a lot of people get forgotten, they give us so much.

And just because they're not there. And I always feel like you really live when you outlive how much you lived. And I always feel like you really live when you outlive how much you lived. And I'm saying that you really live when you outlive how much you live. It's people from our culture that outlive how much they live. You've rather it's Basi, I'd rather it's two,

certain people, they live longer after life than they did their life. But we don't do that with our family members and the people that we love and the people that we know personally. We keep other people alive based off celebrity, but we won't keep the people alive that was personally personal to us.

They get buried in the thank yous and all that shit somewhere and sometimes forgotten. So I always try to remember my people that died, they gave so much to me. You think your brother would believe you right now? Like if he saw the position you was in, would he believe it? No, on anything I love, my brother would be doing

just what Gil be doing, he'd be calling me a nut ass nigga, look, he's a nut ass nigga boy. Cause that was him, he's a funny boy. All he wanted to do was laugh all day. I'm just thankful that I was able to, the greatest thing that I ever did in life, in the history of my life, was forgive my brother's killer. And the reason that was so important to me

because the ghetto, nothing supersedes, nothing is, the hierarchy is the ghetto and the ghetto is revenge. But for me to say, you know what, I wanna live for my brother, live for the kids, live for the family and put it in my heart to forgive someone that took my brother out of here, devastated the family, but I say to myself is, we always ask for forgiveness.

We ask God all the time, forgive us, but when do we forgive on a real level? And that was the greatest thing I ever did. And I always encourage young brothers to like, because when you see our community, it's like everybody is moving based off of, a lot of cats is moving and continuing this criminal mindset and the genocide

based off a war that they never even knew about. Like you don't even know why you beefing with somebody. And we never have a conversation. It's like, and even the level heads from different sides of the communities never can sit down and just be like, yo, this some bullshit, we on some bullshit. Like, come on, y'all, we shooting in the mirror

out here as black people. And ain't nobody, I don't know what it is, man. It bother me because I see a lot of elders that scared. They wanna be young niggas and it's like, no you're not, nef, nef. I tell them all the way, I'm not no, no. I'm not no, I'm an elder, dog. I'm not no young boy, I'm not trying to be cool with you.

I'm gonna tell you what you wanna hear and if you don't, because I know most of your day, especially the artists, the athletes, they run around with a bunch of yes men. I ain gonna tell you what you wanna hear and if you don't, because I know most of your day, especially the artists, the athletes, they run around with a bunch of yes men. I ain't one of them nef. I don't care who you is. I'm gonna tell you, listen man, that's some dumb shit, man. You want some dumb shit, nef.

Me and Gil, we're gonna be like, yo, that's some dumb shit, nef. And even if you just hear me for the moment, I did my job. A lot of times I fell short in doing my job. Well, I ain't gonna say I didn't do my job, but I fell short because it went on some deaf ears. And we've seen what happened with that a lot of times.

Man, look at all the different clips that you can look at of Wallo online warning people about what was gonna happen in their situation, or what was gonna happen if they didn't change their ways, and it came true. Yeah, and it's like, you know, I just be peeping it because I see it. Like you can just see it when you've been through it so long,

but that's why I try to share my story so they can learn from my story and know my story. But a lot of times, the money make people blind and deaf. And when you get that paper, you think, but one thing I know, one thing I know something, if I don't know nothing about this shit, when you black in America, you got all the money and the power you want, man, man, but let me tell you something, when Mighty Whitey get to you,

that's right, I'm just being real. When Mighty Whitey is over, that courtroom, they they humble the shit out of you. They would get you in that court. You see how they laid Tyreke down? Tyreke Hill laid him down, roughed him up. Wow, shut up. You know what I'm saying? Like I don't know what happened, but I'm like they roughed him up real good. And he still had to go out there and play. Pretty sure, you know what I'm saying? So it's like, it's always a point where it's though, it be like, man, shut up, nigga.

And you always got to be on point to know how to move out here. And it's sad that we got to do that, but that's the reality of the environment that we come up in. When did you realize this is what you wanted to do? When you came home and you said you took that drive and you went back to,

you had the McDonald's with the Grandma's house. When did you realize this is what you wanted to do? When you came home and you said you took that drive and you went back to, you had the McDonald's with the grandma's house. When did you realize this is what you wanted to do and how you wanted to change for the next generation? I was in, shout out to the Life for G's Life, the brothers, this organization, NWACP and all that. The brothers that was in the penitentiary with me, the elders,

is an organization called Real Street Talk. So I'm in there and one of the OGs, brother minister Rob, shout out to him, he come to me and said, Walu, we need you to come down here and talk. It was a bunch of brothers, Shakur, Sharif, it was Ike, a big Shannon, it was a bunch of brothers that was getting together

to talk to the inmates that was coming in, two, 300 inmates a week that was coming in to talk to them about listen, why you in jail? Use this as your time to educate yourself so you can go back out there and make something happen with yourself. that was coming in, two, 300 inmates a week that was coming in to talk to them about, listen, why you in jail? Use this as your time to educate yourself so you can go back out there and make something happen with yourself.

And it was called Real Street Talk. So I was one of the dudes that spoke in a way to where as though they really understood what I was saying, because I was like one of the youngest dudes, even though the OG spoke too. And I seen that they was listening, they was tapped into it.

And it was a brother, brother Rob Griffin, he was from the, he used to do security for Malcolm X and the Nation of Islam back in the day. Philadelphia used to be the, you know, the head of security for the Nation of Islam back in the day. And he, you know, he held down Malcolm, Hamnaw limit, and he came to my cell one day,

because I was in the cell like next to him on A block, greatest floor, and he was like, brother, not too many brothers out here speak with us though. Multiple generations can listen and understand it and then you speak clear, keep doing that. So when I got out, I just start grabbing that phone and just start popping it. Because nobody was doing it and I knew that

I had to do it in a unique way because I was battling on the timeline, I was battling for attention. You know, when you go down the timeline, I'm looking at this, I say, okay, I gotta battle the girl that's ass naked. I gotta battle my man with a pound of jury on. I gotta battle the rapper, the athlete. I said, I got him. That's why if you've seen a lot of my videos

in the beginning, I'll be running across the highway, 18 Willa come laying on the ground, catch him on the head. They laughing, but I'm giving you the message. As long as you listening. Because what everybody was afraid to tell us, like, yo, you can be great. You amazing. Like, we build pyramids with no cranes.

I don't know what, I read this shit in the gym. I'm like, hold on, we did that? You mean to tell us, like yo, you can be great, you amazing. Like we build pyramids with no cranes, I don't know what. I read this shit in the gym, I'm like, hold up, we did that? You mean to tell me, hold up, you mean to tell me, we came up out of slavery, this little lady got us about a slavery, sister got us about a slavery, and that ingenuity, what the fuck is going on? Frederick Douglass was who, he did what? Oh, we got most of the patents?

Most of the shit created, oh, what the? I'm like, yo, we Douglass was who? He did what? Oh, we got most of the patents? Most of the shit created? Oh, what the? I'm like, yo, we can do it, but you gotta, I realized this. If you can make them laugh, you can make them listen. And I always was like, I always loved comedy because I used to listen to Paul Moody, Richard Pryor, all of my uncles who played the records, Red Fox, and I'd be laughing, but they'd be saying some deep shit. They'd be saying, they'll lace it up.

So I'm like, okay, I just gotta give it to our people in a different way. Because I just couldn't get the whole Harriet Tubman thing just had me just like, yo, there's nothing you can't do. That fucking, them pyramids, I'm telling you, with no cranes, there's no, how was this done?

We did that? These inventions, we created, what? So it'd be like, what, Black Wall Street? So I'd just be looking like, no, it's just a different way and a different language of doing it. And one thing that I'm always do, you'll never hear me say nothing, you'll never hear me talk down to any of our people,

you know why? Never. All of our people got a different, they might have a different message and no matter what you're doing, business, this, that, I don't care what you're doing. We don't have to be doing the same thing and just because we ain't doing the same thing,

even if we might be doing something that's similar, we ain't gotta be mad at each other. I ain't gotta hate you, you ain't gotta hate me. Because at the end of the day, is this shit really about the upliftment of our people? If it is, how can I go online and say anything bad about our people if I really care about our people?

I can't tear you down to lift them up. It ain't gonna, mathematically it don't work. So what I do is, no matter if you say something about me, say something about me, I'm never gonna say nothing about nobody. Because that's not gonna add value to the whole plan of us. That's Walu really like this too.

I'm not gonna do that. Even off camera, he's like that and I be like fuck these I was gonna actually do you and Gil so like this is like a daily thing for you like on and off camera Like you said but like when situations come about like when people make you upset when things don't go your way Like how do you wish your mental lock in that you stay grounded where you are right now? Like what's that? My thing is this? grounded where you are right now? Like what's that? My thing is this. Some of the times when people have said things or I wasn't like I even look at it and I look at it now from a critique point and be like yo is that person right? Am I tripping? I'm not a person that's like I'm logic to the point where as though there's a

possibility where as though I might do some dumb shit or some nut shit. So I will even look at it because it's like listen after me dealing with the white folks in that mountains and them coming to my cell anytime just because I'm or some nut shit. So I will even look at it because it's like, listen, after me dealing with them white folks in the mountains and them coming to my cell anytime just because I'm beefing with the guard for a week and he coming to my cell every day for a week telling me to get ass hole naked and spread and cough, none of this shit mean nothing to me out here.

You think this shit mean, I did 7,300 days in jail. You think I get, so it's not that deep, but I'm also would look at things and say, damn, do they got a point there? Because sometimes they might have a point. And just because you not rockin' with me, that don't mean you hatin' on me.

I might not just be your cup of tea. And you might don't know how to reach out or whatever. You might just, so it's like, I'm big on that. Everybody's not hatin' on you because they don't like what you got goin' on. And sometimes I understand you might rub people the wrong way because you might remind them that they ain't go after their dreams.

So it's levels to this shit. But you know what I need y'all to do is I need y'all to all try that drink at once. This is my drink, my drinks and drink. Pure, pure, pure, pure, pure. I said earlier. Take a sip, come on. I do gotta ask you a question though.

You said when the officers came in your cell, right, the white boys, and they told you to get naked. Hold on, hold on, time out, time out. The drink. Y'all like it. Let me see, time out, time out. What? The drink. Y'all like it. Let me see. Y'all drinking that watermelon blast? Tell me.

I like it. I like it. That's good. I think that's all I need to know. I'm gonna send y'all some. It is warm. But go ahead, get back to the... No, when you said the officers used to come in yourself

and make you get naked and spread your ass cheeks, did you fuss with them a little bit or you just... Is that all you heard? Got naked. Yeah, that's all you heard. No, you know what's crazy? Like, I got so, it was so like me, I was so institutionalized. As soon as I know, as soon as I see him cracking the door, I heard? Got naked. Yeah, that's all you heard. No, you know what's crazy? Like, I got so, it was so, like me, I was so institutionalized, as soon as I know,

as soon as I see him cracking the door, I'm already ass naked. Like, I'm just like, what's up, what we doing today, baby? What we doing? Cause I knew that they wanted to see some black heat, for real. They was trying to measure,

they was trying to see some black heat. I knew what was happening, I said, all right, fuck it then, let's get it. Come on, let's do it. They walked in the kitchen, you turned the oven on. Let's do it, let's do it, let's go. We at it again. Y'all back, huh?

I know what y'all want. Shout out, peoples, turn around. All that shit, hit the wall. I gotta put my hands on the wall, lift my feet, twinkle my toes and all that shit. Bend down, spread them. Then after I spread it and grab my sack, I gotta go in my mouth and all this dumb shit.

I'm like, yeah, y'all some kingy balls, man. Yeah, whatever, peoples. Keep being a smart ass. I'm freaky deaky, huh? Are you still interested, like is there anything from like when you was locked up you know sometimes people come home and it's like like I got you can't hear certain sounds or like you know like do you have any of that from all the time that you spent in jail? I got all type of shit I just I can't keep up with it there's so much you

can't keep up with all that shit it's just so much you just you just live because you know what's crazy being from the ghetto we normalized jail so much to where's though you know what's crazy? Being from the ghetto, we normalized jail so much to where it's though, you know the side effects of that shit I had you like, everybody got that shit. The family members got side effects from dealing with the jail experience and just going to see you. Like you know what I mean? So it's like, it's just crazy man.

But when it comes to prison thing, what I think is so crazy is that, and I wanna say this to the brothers out there, right? Especially if you in the streets right now, you operating your gun, you just in the street game. I just wanna say something. Rather you know it or not, young black males in the street culture

build more communities outside of our community than anybody in the history or life of America. Let me break this shit down. When we get locked up, I come from 19132, Philadelphia. The most people that ever, they sent the most people to prison, that area code in Pennsylvania. Now, when I get locked up,

and me and the homies get locked up, they build new prisons based on the population increase. When the population increase, they'll take a town, they'll go rent some farm area, they'll bring a Lego prison, put it together, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Once they bring that prison, they build the gas station. They build the Walmart.

They employ all these farmers. And this is me and the homies doing this. And then now you got all this stuff. They got this whole community that we built, but we never built our own community. We never bought our mama a house. We never sent our kids to college. But we sending kids to college.

Every time you shoot a gun in the ghetto, you're sending somebody else kid to college. Every time you rob somebody, you sending somebody, you're buying somebody pants, somebody else mortgage. Like we are the ultimate, the real street nigga is the ultimate job security in America. The real street niggas create more jobs than any other people, any other group in America.

More police, probation officers, sheriffs, I'm telling you all these, every department, correctional officers, counselors. Now, think about the jail. In the jail, you know how many people we, probably over a thousand people we employ in the prison. And you gotta think about it. Everybody from the guard to the counselor

to the people that work in the kitchen to the nurses. Like we do this, and it'd be family, it'd be nepotism on its highest level in here. I've been in prison and I done seen guards start as a rookie its highest level in here. I've been in prison, and I done seen guards start as a rookie, and them turn into war, and I've been in prison so long. And this grandpa, uncle, son, cousin, and on the other side, if you look at this picture

in the book, and I try to explain generational incarceration, this picture right here in the book, of me right here, that's me in the back, this my step-pop hip that died, that's my brother Steve, that's my little brother, Jalil. So in this prison, Dallas Prison Penitentiary, this is in the 80s, right? This is 87. So in 87, we go into Dallas Prison to visit him.

In 1998, me and my step-pop was cellies in that same prison. And in 2005, me and my brothers was cellies in that same prison. Generational incarceration. And when we looking on the other side, you'll go see the warden, then his son is a sergeant, his cousin is a major, like, so we got families in prisons,

but they on the winning side, we on the losing side. So when we talking about this whole thing, this whole I'm a real nigga, I understand what you saying, but you gonna be a real nigga, and you gonna be in prison when your daughter graduating and growing up, and there's gonna be some other men in our life that's giving a game

that's not beneficial to her, it's beneficial to them, and your daughter gonna get taken advantage of. So it's like, when we looking at this whole thing that we think we putting it down, I got a bunch of brothers on the other side that could tell you they wish they could relive this because they ain't never coming out of jail. But you the generational curse breaker, Wallo.

That's why I'm so glad you put out a book, man, because I need to see you on every platform, having these conversations. I wanna see you on The View, I wanna see you on Tamron Hall's show. But you know what's crazy though? And this is why I commend you. What I commend you of this,

and this is why our Breivous Club is a major platform for our culture and will always be. You get it when it's not cool. You get it before it go popular. You get it before it go shiny. You get it and understand that. A lot of these people don't give a fuck about that even though you name platforms, they don't care about that.

They just want some shiny shit. Now, Wild Low come out of prison, wanted to be probably, and I'm not, I'm probably one of the greatest comebacks ever to come out of prison in life. But they not gonna get that to New York Times bestseller hit it all that stuff. They don't understand us.

And we control cool, but a lot of times we don't own it. So they try to get a close proximity to our coolness and we so much suckers we don't be understanding that. We don't even know why we being used out here. That's why it's a lot of shit that I see online. I be like, damn, we goofy as shit, man. Can't nobody outside of us validate us, but us. I'm never gonna let nobody tell me that you not cool,

that you not cool, that you outside our culture. And I'm never gonna let nobody give approval of what's cool and what's not outside of our culture of this blackness. I love being black. I'ma die black. My family is black. So I look at us and I say we some extraordinary people and it's not taking that enough

from any other group of people. But everybody else love themselves so I'ma love me. And I got some extraordinary people that's not black, this family, this business. But at the end of the day, until we start loving us on all levels, we gonna be left behind. What do you think about when Michael Rubin was up here

and said pretty much the same thing that you just said right now? He didn't say that. He followed it, not say that. No, no, no, but he just said we hurt ourselves. Why would he say nothing? No, he basically said our community hurts ourselves. That's what he been saying the whole day.

Let me say this though, let me say this though. Everything is about the messenger, because I can't speak on behalf of, you know, different races, I can't do that, because they gonna be like, who the fuck is you, I don't know. So that's normal. But one thing that I can say is that, everybody is speculating, everybody's around.

On that day that Meek was in that courtroom, I was in that courtroom to come and speak for Meek. Michael Rubin was in that courtroom. And when we took that break after the, you know, the judge was roughing Meek was in that courtroom, I was in that courtroom to come and speak for Meek. Michael Rubin was in that courtroom. And when we took that break after the, you know, the judge was roughing Meek up, I'm telling you, she was like, she was roughing Meek up. We went outside to the hallway and Mike looked at us and said, what's going on in here?

Like this guy was really shocked. I'm like, this being black in America. He was like, what the fuck? I'm telling you, he was personally pissed because he didn't understand that it be going, because a lot of people just don't know personally pissed because he didn't understand and then he'd be going, because a lot of people just don't know. He said he didn't realize it was two Americas until like Keith.

Listen, that day he looked at, and then he attempted to walk back in the courtroom after we had the conversation, and she slapped him around, and he like, what the fuck? I can't, like, he stood up and spoke, and stood up, and she was like, yeah, all right, writing in the paper, like,

he went and done something. I respect Mike for that. That's right. I don't care the paper. Like, he went and done something. I respect Mike for that. I don't care what no, like Mike went and done something. You know, people gonna have their opinions on people, but I'm talking about when I see a good person, I see a good person, I salute a good person. That's it. I ain't with all that other shit

because I'm gonna tell you something, man. To be real with you, I got a lot of people that's not black that helped the shit out of me. Because they really, people that really believed in it, and I ain't talking about business, I'm talking about in life. People that love you, love you. It's not always gonna be a colored thing.

And I know we fight so much to get us together, but at the end of the day, while you spend your time on this planet, you better love who love you, and you better figure out who love you and who got your fucking back. Because I'm gonna tell you something, I don't know what everybody else is doing out here,

but I'm 45, and I'm gonna tell you something I don't know what anybody else doing out here but I'm 45 and I'm saying to myself hopefully I get another 45 out here cuz my grandma 90 so I'm measuring about that my uncle James rest in peace and he was 93 or 94 but we got it we got a nice lymph in our joint pause pause oh was that a camp? I gotta run it by camp, because I'm talking about a lift of years. I'm not saying, oh yeah, Paul's. You said that's USAU. You said no camp would definitely be a Paul's camp. The Paul's breakdown at the Paul's camp. But what I'm saying is, well you was a Paul's champion though.

You got the award over the history. You in the Guinness. But I'm gonna say this, I'm gonna say this though. I'm looking at it like I'm 45 now. There's a big chance, 20, you know what I mean, like 50% of my life or 30%, whatever.

I'm getting out of this joint one day. I can't worry about, I'm gonna be going, I gotta go. I gotta go, and when I go, my whole thing, I wanna be able to say I left that shit on the planet. That's why I live the life that I live, I do me. If I wanna buy something, I buy it. If I wanna go somewhere, I'm gonna go somewhere. I'm not living my life based off of some fear shit,

because guess what, you know how many motherfuckers in the graveyard, sitting there mad as shit, like damn, I shoulda got dizzy. Damn, I there mad as shit, like damn I shoulda got dizzy, damn I shoulda went here, damn I shoulda done this. We don't do enough, we don't live enough, we don't put more positive energy out enough. Because I'm saying to myself, damn,

I got a lot of shit to make up on. Because I know, when I see you out, I don't want it to be like nigga, didn't I tell you nigga? You understand? Because guys get funky for people, you know what I mean? I don't want to be the one to be like, you had plenty of time nigga. You know where you gotta go. So it's like, at the end of the day,

I just try to put the best energy possible out there to our people to let them know, listen man, we ain't got time. We ain't gonna be here forever. Love each other, do what you gotta do, and keep it moving. But one day you gotta get the fuck up out of here. What led to Ayanna Lavon's aunt

writing the foreword for this book? How'd that happen? The craziest thing in the world. So she hit me one day in the DM. I almost passed out. And this is where that happen? The craziest thing in the world. So she hit me one day in the DM. I almost passed out, and this is why. Acts of Faith, what we call the purple book in jail, that was like a joint that anybody carry around

in their bike pocket, they be writing their little love notes out of it to the girl and all. Like it was a powerful everyday messaging book. So I had the purple book most of my bit, so I'm like, when she DM me, baby, I'm like, what the, I'm like, this gotta be, cause I'm the dude that's different than, I'm not no dude that think I'm,

I'm a regular person in my world. So I don't think I'm this person that, I'm starstruck when I see people that's important in my life. If I see certain rappers, I'm starstruck. Gil got mad at me cause it was six in the morning and I seen Big Daddy King in the airport and I draw a detention on him.

He said, why you doing that dumb shit? Because King, and King didn't want to really be bothered. I know he didn't, but fuck that, King. He was a legend. I got it now. Chuck D, I seen him at the joint. You know what's happening? You know what's crazy? I'm gonna tell you some deep shit. This is how I knew I was a hip hop historian,

and I was a major part of hip hop. I was at Leo Korn party, and he was giving him an award, City of Hope, I think, in think, in LA and Chuck D looked over at me. He said, I said I made it. Chuck D. You understand this. Chuck D. looked at me and gave me the joint like, and in my mind he told me fight the power like he knew it but he didn't say that.

Chuck didn't say that right? Chuck didn't say that right? Chuck didn't say that. But Chuck didn't say that right? Chuck didn't say that. This is the thing that's crazy. Chuck didn't say that but I felt that. And he didn't follow me on Instagram. I don't know how petty about that. You didn't get a chance to speak to him? No, we dap it up but I was ready to pass out because it's Chuck D.

So I couldn't get myself together. He was like going to a Michael Jackson concert. I was ready to pass out but I didn't want to. So Chuck D. I was like parled up to pass out, but I didn't want to. So Chuck D, I was like, damn, this dude's a legend. I'm beefing with DJ Premier because DJ Premier, for him to be a legend, he followed Gilly and he wasn't following me. So I'm real petty about that. I'm like, you don't know nothing about rapping, I do.

Like, you know, Google was like an uncle to me. So me and him beefing. But like, I love hip hop so much, but what I'm saying is that I'm not going to see no legend and don't freak out. I'm going crazy because, Chuck D, you was the soundtrack to the struggles that took place in America and we didn't have no food, we had Public Enemy

and that helped us do the course. So when she hit me, I almost passed out, I'm laying down, I'm like oh my God, and Yana Vanzana, she just DM'd me. You know what I mean, this is like your spiritual mother. So I hit her back, so what happened is, I asked her. I mean, I had told Charles, I was like, yo man. I said, Charles man, he said, man ask her man,

you need to forward ask her. I said bet, I'ma ask her. And I hit her up, she let me come to her house, made me a meal, the food was delicious. Come on, I thought y'all were man. I didn't wanna be greedy, right? You know what I mean? But I was like, damn, I didn't wanna ask for another plate,

but it was great. What did she mean? It was like these shrimps, it was the sauce,, it was right, it was just, it was spectacular. And I wanted to make a doggy bag, but I didn't think that was appropriate. But whatever. But she bring me down to the house, I'm down there, she showed me so much love. Shout out to Zakiya too, her manager that do things.

But like, and she showed me so much love, man. And she read me, she read me the foreword right there. And then I hit up, and when I hit up to do for the audio, she just done it that day. Wow. And I'm talking about, like, and it was based off of love and how she see me for us. And it was everything, you know?

One thing I want you to talk about before we leave, you said the feeling of not being punished for doing something you knew was wrong was equivalent to your first orgasm. How long did it take for you to actually feel guilt when you did something wrong? Man, it took me a while. Because you're young and you just don't know.

So it take you a while and then when it hit, you just be like, damn, I did some crazy shit. But it was a while, it was just a thirst. It was just, I don't know, I think I was just part of stealing an American dream. I was doing my thing because I wanted to be, you understand, I'm looking at these fucking movies, man. I'm looking at Ray Liolla and motherfucking good fellas,

and you know, the part where he burning the cars up, he throwing the joint, he said, by the time I was 14, I was making more money than the grownups around my neighborhood. I'm like, damn, I wanted to be there, I wanted some money. Because, we gonna be obvious, I always tell people this, when that guy in the 80s pull up with that Benz,

and you know what I'm talking about, he got the Benz in the 80s, he got that gold chain on, he got that fila sweatsuit on with the filas, he got them rings on, them nugget rings and all that shit. And he pull up to the neighborhood, he's pulling up to our black communities

to deal with the most beautifulest girl in our neighborhood. And when he pull up to get her, as he opening the car door and she getting in the car door, you know who's speaking to him? Miss Johnson, Miss Brown, Miss Green. They all, hey baby! But at the same time, you see Mr. John come back from work,

he's a plumber, all dirty, and nobody's speaking to him. I'm sitting on the step watching all this shit take place. So I said, damn, I gotta be a part of this shit. In the black community, the women dictate who the man wanna grow up to be, based off of who take place. So I said, damn, I gotta be a part of this shit. In the black community, the women dictate who the man wanna grow up to be based off of who they date. That's real. So I'm looking at it like, shit, I'm only seeing these girls,

they dealers and dudes that got nice cars. I gotta get me some nice cars to get me some ass. Oh, I gotta get some, I gotta get some jury. I gotta get some fly. I gotta get fly. That's what it was about. And the way you started to get fly was people do what it means. That's the only people I. And the way you started to get fly was people doing illegal means.

That's the only people I seen to respect. They only respected the criminals in the game. Yeah. What the fuck? American love? Money and violence. Listen, you go ask any judges, lawyers, prosecutors, and all that, what's your favorite movies?

Godfather. What's your favorite series? The Sopranos. Everything gonna be, they love the successful criminals, so I grew up to try to be that. But as I grew old, I took responsibility, say, oh yeah, I'm on some dumb shit. I did wrong.

You never heard me say it was, no, I wasn't in jail for some shit that Maggily did because of the white man. I was in jail because I wanted to get busy. And I did what I did. You know? Go ahead. Oh, to your point about women shaping everything,

you talk a lot about black women and Latino women and how you staff your team with women. Can you talk like why that's important and how that's helped you along your journey as you like build your brand? Shout out to my manager, business partner Desiree Ivy. Shout out to Amaril. Shout out to Shay M. Lawson, my attorney.

These women, let me say something to you about these women. They get shit done. That's right. They not playing games. At all. They, no is not, they don't, I don't know what it is about no that get them going crazy. They lose their mind about no.

I be like, damn, what happened? Somebody told me no today. What, what's going on? Don't worry about it, mind your business. I get to the bottom, I'll tell you when I get it done. They moving different. They move different, man. They move different.

And you know what's going on, I just wanna say this. A lot of these companies in America, they be playing games. And a lot of times people don't see them because they be in the shadows. But when it comes to our culture, black women run that shit. Absolutely.

I'm talking about from, not just from the consumer side, not just from the marketing side, not just from the marketing side, but from the boardrooms. The sisters. I went to the boardroom of Rich Klamath Company with sisters running that shit. Sisters running shit everywhere. That's right.

Like, I don't think you gonna get something off if you ain't got no sisters in that fold. Every single entity I got a black woman running. Shout out to all the sisters. Dolly. Dolly. Dolly's a monster, she's no joke. Nicole. Shout out to all the sisters out there that Dolly's a monster, she's no joke. Nicole. Shout out to all the sisters out there

that's doing it, going up against all the bullshit, all the racism in these companies. Y'all going to HR, HR is playing games with y'all. They trying to weed y'all out because soon as a sister get up and she stand up for herself, oh she's being a, everybody play victim soon as a sister speak up for herself

after they see all the dumb shit. These people be in these corporations throwing all these rocks, doing all this stupid shit, and as soon as the sister say, oh I'm not going for that, oh my god she's being aggressive, oh my god I'm scared, lock the door, get that, that's cap. Stop that victim shit, because the sister stepped up for herself.

One thing about a black woman, I don't care who, she's not dealing with no bullshit. A sister of color, Latino black, they not dealing with that shit. That's right Latino black. They're not doing with that shit Why you think we scared of that's right? You know me Shit salute the salute the rocky to first of all first of all let me get shot off the Raquel boy It's your ass boy. I don't see flights. I'm like we go rocky. I'm going to see while But Raquel her professional name Raquel de ZeusA. Zeus, for us getting this done.

Great writer, did her thing. Shout out to everybody, man. Oh yeah, shout out to Jonathan Mignon for the cover. Shout out to Simon and Schooz for 13, 8, Charles Schooz and everybody for making it happen. He did all my first two too. Yeah, no, Jonathan Mignon did all the legendary hip hop joint, man. Yeah, that's big.

He did all the legendary, he did Jay-Z, she did everything, but I just want to shout out to everybody out there that's big. He did all the legendary, he did Jay-Z, she did everything. But I just wanna shout out to everybody out there that's doing anything and I need to say this to you. I don't care if you got a word I stand, you got a t-shirt company, you got a putting the tape out, music, you doing art, you one yes away from your world changing.

Stop looking on Instagram and thinking everybody's beating you and you running late and you ain't enough. I want to say something to the sisters out there you are enough Don't never let nobody finesse you and tell you that you got to be this and you got to have this you got to Wear this you got to go here. You got to take Live your fucking life. Do you in every way possible and to them young brothers out there y'all kings y'all ain't slaves So what y'all got to do is y'all kings, y'all ain't slaves. So what y'all gotta do is, y'all gotta understand, y'all the most fearless group of young men ever on the history of life.

This generation right now, this generation of young black men out here is the most fearless black men ever. Y'all do not give a f... Just imagine if y'all switched that up. Imagine what you could do when you say, you know what, I don't wanna be a drug dealer, I wanna be a businessman, I don't wanna be a killer,

I wanna be a healer, I wanna be a giver. I'm saying it could change. To my young brothers in the community, rap community, stay away from them drugs. And this coming from a man that never did a drug a day in his life. I never did it because I had to watch my homies, I had to make sure they get home at night.

And my homies, they didn't smoke PCP, did all that type of shit. You know, snorted a little coke, did a little bit of, but I always watched and I said, that ain't for me. And I don't know who told you this. If you feel as though you're going through somebody, find somebody to talk to, get a therapist.

Get a therapist. Stop trying to self-medicate yourself because you don't know what you're doing. And, find somebody to talk to, get a therapist. Get a therapist. Stop trying to self-medicate yourself because you don't know what you're doing. And I'm gonna tell you something, brothers. When you hit a town, you young brothers, and I'm gonna be real with you, everybody is trying their way to get some drugs to you, and you don't know if anybody's drugs is drugs.

I'm just being straight up. I don't know, you know what I mean? I'm just saying you got all these people making fake this, fake this. You don't know what you're taking. And when you get that money, young brothers, stay out of, don't, stay off them handcuffs, man. Please, please, man, don't disrespect your blessing

because God ain't gonna keep blessing you, man. You think, listen, God gotta work with billions of people. You think God could just keep coming around blessing you? That's right. God ain't gonna keep blessing you. Take advantage of these blessings, keep doing your thing, and just know anytime you see, don't stop me, I'm gonna say something to you. I'm gonna tell you what's going on.

And a lot of y'all know I reach out, I DM y'all, I talk to y'all regularly. Man, just notice you kings, notice you queens, and know that the world is waiting for all of us. And we gonna make it, we gonna make it, we gonna, you know. Listen, Arm with Good Intentions is out now, man. Everybody go pick this book up from Wallo. We gotta make this a New York Times bestseller.

You see it. Today, we gonna have this on Wednesday. Tonight, we gonna be at Uncle Bobby's in Philadelphia. Me and my man Wallo having more conversations about this. We gonna be at Uncle Bobby's. Yes, about this book armed with Good Intentions, man. Make sure we get you stopped. You're at my man's spot.

Make sure to give you them cheese steaks. You like them taste cheese steaks. I had some joints up there when I was there last time. Yeah, you like, you was hungry too, the way you ate them taste cheese steaks. I had some joints up there when I was there last time. You was hungry too, the way you ate them. I said damn, what the hell? Oh no, yeah, the Spivey that got the salmon. Oh yeah, yes, yes, yes.

Taste, sleuthe taste. All that type of, I sell cheese steaks and all that. You was going crazy. Nah, I like that type of stuff. Yeah, but you know, find your way to support local businesses. That's right. We gotta make Wallo a New York Times bestseller.

It's gonna happen, come on, let's do it. I can't wait to see while Oh on Tamron and all that stuff Oh, I'm gonna be all in job. We got to also uh, we got to get if you out there If you have any hair coloring companies DJ envy is looking for a sponsor Goodbye walu all my good intentions is out now pick it up. He's number one sponsor. Walu, ladies and gentlemen, goodbye, Walu. All we good intentions is out right now. Pick it up. It's the Breakfast Club. Shout out to the brown girls, grounding.