The Breakfast Club - Black Maternal Health Week Part 2

Episode Date: April 17, 2026

In this episode of The Latest with Loren LoRosa, Part 2 of Loren sitting down with maternal health expert Latham Thomas, founder of Mama Glow, for an eye-opening conversation in honor of Black Maternal Health Week. They break down the alarming reality that Black women are 3–4x more likely to die during childbirth—and why it’s not random. From systemic racism in healthcare to the importance of doulas, advocacy, and informed decision-making, this episode is packed with life-saving knowledge. Loren also gets real about fears around childbirth, hospital experiences, and what options actually exist—from home births to birth centers and beyond. This isn’t just for women—this is for anyone who wants to understand, support, and protect Black maternal health.YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BreakfastClubPower1051FMSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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She is a black woman out here. advocating for us in these medical birth spaces is black maternal health week this conversation is needed because there's so much information and resources we have but we don't tap into it so tune in we talk about different things happening people moving into processes and all these things right one of the things that I thought about too is like okay and I've never given birth so this might be stupid question but worst case scenario right worst case scenario right um When you're planning for your child's birth and you're working with your dula, does a dula have a conversation with you about, okay, if anything were to not go as planned,

like, are you making sure that, like, you know, the father of the child or your family now have the parental rights? Because that was another thing I thought about, you know, when I started thinking about all these things. Because the person I mentioned to you earlier, who I went to school with some time ago, their child survived. Like their child was born, but the mom didn't make it. And, you know, they were married. So I think that that's the easy, you know how that's going to work out. But in a situation where a woman is either, you know, single, you know, not wed, you know, I've done life planning with my mother and my grandmother, but I've never thought about how you life plan

before you're about to go and have a baby because it's such a happy thing. And normally we associate that with like end of life, you know? So there's birth doula, it's just postpartum doulas, there's bereavement doulas, as well. So these are people who are on the other side of that process when life is lost, right? So a baby is not born or if you have a stillbirth or a miscarriage or, you know, a baby, like infant loss, right? A baby's born or a baby's passes away shortly after birth, right? A bereavement dula is there to support that process. And in the instance that the life of a mother is lost, a bereavement. Dula is also there to support that process of helping a family with logistical support of

processing documentation and especially if a baby survives then all manner of processes involved in helping a family get up to speed right to adjust to that right like who's going to be a primary caretaker all these things and then the other piece would be if the you know mother you know, lives through the experience of loss, right? Like what does it look like to process the loss of an infant, right? Or a baby that everyone is like eating, right? And, you know, when you start getting the phone calls and the gifts start coming in and you go home, you know, empty handed.

So there's actually support built in within how we work to support both of those options. Typically speaking, you know, I've never actually had a mother-law. lost in the hundreds of birth that I've been present for, right, at deliveries for. And I feel blessed in that. There have definitely been- God is good. God is good.

There's definitely been near misses in that people have had health scares. Same with babies, right? They've been health scares. But for the most part, like everyone's, you know, been able to arrive healthy, you know. I think it's important to, for families, right, to be thinking about, not like, how do I say this? It's kind of like you don't want to, you want to prepare for the blessing, right?

You don't prepare for the positive, prepare for what you anticipate to be what your life will become and anticipate that with love and with intention and with excitement and joy. Because the biggest thing to remember about this is that birth is about joy. It's about the beginning of life, which is festive. It's a blessing.

And with all the things that we think about, you know, people, like, white women don't have to go to bed thinking about this, right? Yeah. So I want to reassure if you're a mother, mother-to-be, someone thinking about pregnancy, I don't want people to feel discouraged to get pregnant or discouraged to, start a family or expand their family because of what they see in the news. Because what I also think is happening with the saturation of this information in the news is that it makes you feel debilitated. Like, I don't know if I can do anything. I don't know how to respond. It's sort of like similar to when we see lynchings, right, of black men, you know, strown and women strown to the streets or whatever is happening to them as a result of state-sanking.

violence, right? When we see that police violence or or force, excessive force, you know, we, if we witness that, we feel like there's nothing we can do, but we also feel like it could happen to us. There's this feeling like that. And a similar feeling emerges when you see these stories of black women who are navigating the health care system and who experience this type of pain and harm and also life, right? You feel like, oh, my God, this could happen to me. And so I want to remind us that while this is information, it's important to notice what happens when you actually take in that information.

What does it feel like to actually internalize that information? Give yourself permission not to constantly take in every piece of news. news and every single story. It's so important for the awareness, which is there now. People have the awareness, right? People understand this is happening. But if you know that it's not good for you emotionally and you're in a space where you're cultivating new life, like you're in pregnancy, you can give yourself permission

not to read about maternal deaths. Right. I can't even imagine that being the, you know, the reading. the thing that's popping up on your timeline. You know, but it's like, it's like almost kind of hard to escape it because it's like everywhere. Yeah, it is everywhere. And you know it's crazy. It's like I've always, it's always been everywhere.

I don't think I've ever not known about, you know, women not being okay or just how much of a blessing, pregnancy and childbirth is. But now that I'm a bit older, I feel like I have friends who are actually experiencing things. Like even something as little, or I'm like, personally, experiencing things like, you know, cis and, you know, the overre conversation and fibroids and all these things. And I'm like, every day I'm like, yo, is that like a test I can take to make sure I'm like good to have kids? Because it makes you nervous about your, you got your time clock. You got, you know, you got to figure out the husband clock, or whoever your partner is.

Like, there's so much in so many boxes you have to check in the world continuously remind you of that. Yeah. Oh, absolutely. And I think. that there's yeah there's definitely like a pressure right to understand how to have these conversations and many times too people as they approach their providers about oh should be doing this should be doing that and getting information and sometimes there's like a lack of a lack of rigor applied to the recommendations so what I mean by that is sometimes people should be testing us for things that they don't. Like what?

Well, for instance, like, I think about, like, cervical exams. And, you know, for pap smears, you're, you know, sort of like they say every two years or so. But we know that we've seen a trend towards black women developing cervical cancers, ovarian cancers, breast cancers, and aggressive problems way earlier than they should be. like we see this like sometimes in like the 30s and 40s when we would be seeing this in the 50s and 60s. And so, you know, a screening that like they might recommend generally should be something that we say, no, I need this screening now. Right. It's time for me to get this screening.

I know that I'm due for it next year. Can you do it this year? I'm here for my annual now. Can you do it now? Right. We think about perimenopause symptoms. You know, black women are experiencing paramedopause. earlier and also more intensely than white women do. And so when you think about that, it means

a lot of the factors associated with paramedopause, including things like, you know, the night sweats and the brain fog, you know, period irregularity, mood lability and irregularity, you know, things like dry mouth and frozen shoulder and joint pain and all these things that can happen in this time, and you have no idea because you're not thinking about the fact that you're in your 40s, right? You're thinking like, oh, what is wrong with? You still, like, you know, like, you know, you just think, oh, if I miss a period or something that maybe that's perinopause. There's so many factors that contribute to that. And, you know, sometimes a doctor won't even think about, oh, your age might be a factor.

And what's happening with your body right now as it produces less estrogen and less testosterone, yeah, you might have some factors. that change in your body that make you less comfortable or start to bring on symptoms that you never experienced before. And so for black women, and, you know, all of us, but particularly black women who suffer the most when we have these changes along the reproductive continuum, we really need the information. We really need the resources.

We really need the physicians who are going to work alongside us as we make share decisions, right? As we think about what types of choices to make. And so what I would say is, you know how, when you've got to get a new car or, you know, the shoe that you've been looking at on with pizza for like three months before you put it in your cart. Like whatever it is, you do all this research and all this on everything else that we purchase. When it comes to your health, I need you to have that same energy. I need you to keep the same energy when it comes to choosing your OBGYN, right?

When it's when you're talking about pregnancy and fertility even moving to pregnancy and pregnancy, keep that same energy with the research. on the provider, the hospital or cure system that you're going to be with, the midwife you might work with, interview, interview, make sure that people feel like they're having to pass a freaking test with you. Like make sure you get the information but feel comfortable before you sign on to work with somebody. And remember, they work for you. That's number one. Number two, when you're moving through outside of pregnancy,

so those of us who are not pregnant yet, but we're thinking about what our, you know, health care looks like, right, for women. like get access to the providers that you need. So, you know, we have to get, so when we get to like our late 30s into early 40s, we're getting mammograms. Mm-hmm. Get your freaking mammogram, right? Canadian women are looking for more.

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I tried out this amazing ultrasound experience in L.A. Lauren called B sound. I'm like obsessed with it. it was a 20-minute screening. They used, instead of using like nasty ultrasound gel, you know that gel that they put on your stuff like that actual glass and saltine?

Why would they use in lotion? I never even knew to think about an ultrasound. And I only asked you that because cancer is heavy in my family, especially for the women in my family. So I've always felt like once a year is not enough. I didn't even know that an ultrasound

of what, so an ultrasound of your breast. Oh, just not your breast tissue. Didn't even know that was possible. Well, all the way from underneath your armpit, because that's where your breast tissue extends to all the way to your, through this chest wall. Yeah. It's amazing.

Well, I'm writing down notes. I got some things that ask some people about. Exactly. And what's good about the ultrasound is that it will detect things in denser breast tissue that you can't see in the same way during a mammogram. Yeah. and it's fast, it's effective. And what's cool about it is you can send the ultrasound with AI

will basically build a model of your actual breasts. So when a radiologist is looking at the imaging, they'll see your breasts and should be able to tell if there's anything that they should be concerned about and talk over it with you. But I say that to say, like there's options. And also there's a lot of companies that are solving for these options. there's a really cool company that I learned about functional function health and they're doing all these amazing screenings.

Like think about, you know, the fact that sometimes like we don't get the screens we need and our providers don't, you know, give us the opportunity to take some of these tests because of our types of insurance that we have. Right. And people don't know this, but in this country, there's insurance apartheid, which means that there's a gradient of good to poor service. And it's on the scale of private insurance to Medicaid. And so if you have Medicaid, it's likely the service that you're going to get is not as good as service you would get if you have private insurance. And with that, it does mean, too, that the same individual that's on either of those insurance offerings is going to have access to certain types of services or certain types of testing and diagnostics, right? So, which means that if I have something that needs to be screened for, but I don't have, I'm not entitled to be screened for it because of the insurance I have, then that locks me out of getting access to better care or preventative care. Right.

And so it's really important to understand when we're taking on, when we're doing the insurance piece and going to also a specialist that we really understand how we're working, whom we're working with, and what the test. testing process will cost and look like. And that's why having options that some of these new companies that are coming up are feeling the gaps for what our health care system should actually be doing for us, right? And making it easier for us to get this information. Because if you have the information, you can take it to any physician, right, and say, here's what I, you know, I did this testing already. Can we talk about my, you know, my results here and a path forward and a plan for me, right? And so some people even do it internationally. Some people are like leaving the country and going and get comprehensive screenings and coming back with

that information and talking to their providers. So that's a way too that's happening. But I would say the best thing, if you live here and are insured here to maximize. Here as in New York. And here in the States. Oh, in the States. U.S. Okay. Yeah, in the U.S. Just optimize, optimize your plan and make sure that you. are going in for the testing and the screenings that are that are applicable for you under your insurance and also make sure that you're having you know these convert these candid conversations with your providers and work with people who are people and what I mean by that is you know a lot of physicians nowadays I'll have a cell phone um that you can text them for appointments or text

them you know after hours or share things that are happening with you like I want a provider like that that gives me their cell phone you know that's not my mom's cancer doctor uh is he's like anything you need call me all the time like they like he I've that was my first time ever experiencing it and I thought it was just because of how serious everything was for her at one point but I I appreciated it though because I was it was new I was calling him all the time and he was happy to walk me through whatever so even hearing you say that I'm like I've never thought about my OBGYN and like you know I moved to a new state and got an OBGYN but and she was she's been great But listening to you, I'm like, Lauren, you might need to interview a couple more because you don't have that connection and you're at that age where you are wanting to start family planning and just like really, like I, really leaning into your health because I'm old enough to recognize what happens when you don't.

Exactly. And you know what's interesting about that? I had the same OBGYN for years. I love her, love her, love her. And then I got insurance through Mama Glow. And so I was able to switch to a different. provider that was covered through there in a center where all my tests and stuff would be covered. So I just switched. When I was with her, I paid out of pocket because she didn't take insurance. And it was just an annual visit. So for me, it was like the investment in my health for once a year paying out of pocket was fine.

But let me tell you something. You would sit in her office for three hours. Like you would go sit with her. That would be tea. You would take your test. She was very gentle. Then you sit in her office. office. She would talk to you. She'd ask questions. Like, she was really thinking about your overall health. And then it wasn't just, like, gynecological health. She's asking about heart health. She's asking about what you're eating. Like, how your sleep is going. Like, all these things are connected. And so, girl, she had tea. She sold me. She got a little camomile, okay? Here's the other thing I want to say, too, is that a lot of people don't realize this is most women in this country

actually get even their primary care needs met through their OBGYN. So I thought I was, okay, so I was talking to a friend like I said, I've been in New York probably about like two years now. And I was talking to a friend and he was like,

you know, you haven't found a primary care doctor in New York yet. And in my mind I was like, you know, maybe he doesn't understand because he's not a woman, but I'm like everything I would talk to my primary care doctor about, I feel like I want to go to my OBGYN for because at this age, I need someone who like is thinking about me like as a woman first, not just as a patient. And OBGYNs in my mind think woman first,

but they're also physicians as well. So they're like that quarterback physician, but like it's specifically for a woman. So like I've literally like been going back and forth about do I need to go find a primary care doctor. And I know I've had you here for a while. My editors are going to kill me for how long this interview is. But maybe we can end up here and hear about, you know,

do you need a primary care doctor with an OBGYN? And also, too, for people that are trying to find new doctors that are trying to find doulas, what are the websites, what are the apps, where should they go? Absolutely. So I have so many good recommendations for people for you to interview. There's like so many amazing, like, physician friends of mine and specialists that I feel like you should talk to. So when we get off of here, I'll put a list together.

for you of some of those amazing black female physicians and researchers and people who are leading to charge and making sure that we are healthy. Okay. So that you could just do a whole women's health like just, I mean, like deep dive, right? And because people need this information across the entire, like from men Csies to menopause, first period to last period, we need so much information. So what I would say is number one resource, of course, MamaGlo. Go to MamaGlo.com. It's M-A-M-A-M-A-G-L-O-W.

And there you can find a doola. You can trauma-dula if you want to join our doula training. Our next one is in May. So join us, right? We have payment plans, scholarships, all the things. But we want more people joining this movement. We have 3,000 doulas we've trained globally, including nurses as well. And for us, it is critical to have more.

of us on the out in the world doing this work, right? Change in the face of what maternal health looks like in this country. So come join us. If you are pregnant, thinking about pregnancy, if you're recently postpartum and you're needing support, we are here for you. You can book a doula with us. So think about that as well. If you need breastfeeding support and help, we are here for you.

The other thing is download our shared decision making tool. It's available on the website. Or you can go to momagogo.com backslash your birth and you will be able to access the tool and resources there. And please download it. It's a great resource with Mama Glow and Etna. And the next thing I will say, too, is while you're looking for providers or thinking about how you want to build your birth village, you first need to think also about your

primary provider who's going to deliver that baby. So whether that's going to be OBGYN, if that's a certified nurse midwife, if you're going to be doing hospital, home or birth center, right? So you need to explore all of those options. And so what I would say with that is doing a survey of sort of what's in your neighborhood where you live, the best hospitals, the best car centers, and the best home birth midwives in that area. Ask around, ask questions, download some apps. One of the apps I love, like said, before, Earth app, I R-T-H-B, I mean, birth without the B, basically. Got to, okay.

And so the Earth app is a great resource as well. and you can go in there and you can find out about different providers who can serve you. And basically people who have your profile who look like you and what their experience was with those providers. Right. So it's literally like Yelp. So that's a great tool as well. And then I would just say more generally, you know, start to consume content that also is affirming. That makes you feel like you can do it.

It's not just about like, you know, understanding statistics and thinking about maternal law. or thinking that something's going to happen that doesn't go your way or that something tragic may happen. We know these are factors and this is happening every day and it's happening to everyone, right? But black women are suffering the most. But also, there are many black women every day that go into hospitals and have glorious, beautiful births, right? So I want you to remember that joy is your birthright, that this experience is meant to

joyful, surround yourself with community and build your birth village also. of your sister's circle of aunties and friends who can help you laugh, cook some food, get your dry cleaning, hold that baby while you take a shower, like build that community as well because that's going to be critically helpful to you when you get on the other side into postpartum. People forget that a lot of also maternal deaths happen after people leave the hospital. And out of that is connected to postpartum and postpartum depression and anxiety. and we can really mitigate that by creating community support around individuals after they get birth. So make sure you find community as well prior to having your baby.

And we have lots of resources for that as well. But I just thank you for this opportunity to be here, Lauren, and to connect with you. I love you. I listen to you every day. And I'm just glad that we got to connect here. So thank you. Thank you so much. And I'm glad you're going to put together that list because I was going to be asking you a lot of questions.

but I think, you know, that list that will be helpful, you know, to share with the audience as well, too, because I know I could ask you questions for a whole other two days, okay? There are so many things. So I'm just, I'm happy to be connected with you too, though. And I think the work that you do is I don't think people understand and give you guys enough praise and value. But as I get older and I, you know, start thinking about different things and understanding, you know, the role of advocacy, any anything in medication. right? I'm like, yo, doulas are like, y'all are like God's gift to earth, especially black women doulas, okay? Y'all are angels

on earth, so we appreciate you and thank you for educating us this week and every day, you know, this episode will go live during Black Maternal Health Week, but it'll be here for years to come, for people to come and listen to and educate themselves on. So we appreciate you, you know,

Mama Glow. And if y'all are in New York, join us on Friday, which is the last day of Black for the Health Week, April 17th, we are having a get together called Nurture and Network, and it's going to be little birth providers. We have this amazing organization called Zenith that's going to show us a lot about technology around birthing and how people can utilize information and AI to support them to just get more

information to make better choices around birth too. So it'll be a really fun time in Brooklyn. So you like to learn more, but I just can't wait to see you in person, Lauren. and thank you so much for this opportunity again. Of course, thank you for joining us. And to my low riders, I hope you guys have been educated today, whether you're a man, you know, standing next to your woman and just, you know, wanting to get the information

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