The Breakfast Club - Breakfast Club Classic: Dr. Cheyenne Bryant Talks New Book ‘Live Your Promise’, Healed Bonds & Marriages, Her Doctorate Degree, Ignoring Negativity + More

Episode Date: July 1, 2026

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Every day I wake up. You're all finished or y'all's done? Morning everybody is DJNV. Just hilarious. Charlamagne de Guy. We are the Breakfast Club. Law and the Roses here as well. We got a special guest in the building. Her new book is out right now. Live your promise. Ladies and gentlemen, Dr. Cheyenne, Brian. Welcome back.

Listen, Breakfast Club, fam. I love being here. I'd be seeing you out at the Diddy Trial, seeing you out at the Boosy GZ concert. Let me tell you, there was music playing, and then there was music playing. Can you tell to people he really be DJing? No.

I go out. When he go places, I go, because I always have a good time, but they'd be trying to play with him up here. Like, he don't be knowing what he's doing. Envy, did I not come behind that stage, chat? Yes, you did. Listen, the entire party concert was jumping

because he was on fire. at the DJ booth. I looked up and I was like, oh, that's a DJ. Yeah, you killed. And I think you need a new name, right? You Dr. Chey and Brian here, but you need like a shy shy.

Because she was shy shy that weekend. No, no, you don't understand. Every boozy verse and record, she knew from head to the end. You're talking too much. Every jeez-y. Yo, you don't understand. I'm going to start off messing.

She's got her own words in there. Right, so you know Jeezy, I'm the realest nigga in? She was like, I'm the real doctor in here. You're already. You know, I'm glad. Hey, shot, shot! That's why you got to have everybody sign a NDA.

Damn it, everybody got to sign the NDA. You know? I love that for you know. It's kind of hybrid. I got to be able to have a good time. I'm mad at you. I got to be able to be relatable to people. Why do the people be mad when you are out having a good time?

Because that made me think of when you went to GZ's concert. And it was a whole discourse about your outfit at the concert. So, Jizi, they weren't mad because the doc was having a good time. They were mad because of what I wore. Yeah. It was black tie. of me. It wasn't black tied to some other people. And, you know, this is the thing. I have agency over a couple things. One of those happened to be me and what I wear. And so I'm always wear what I

want to wear. And again, you know, my clients, my doc squad, my fan base, those are my people, those are my village. My goal is not to sit up here and try to convince folks who have already made up their mind to either misunderstand me or dislike me to like me. I would spend my entire life. having to continuously convince them to like, understand. And that's just a responsibility that I'm not going to take on. I don't think anybody should do that. We all have our village, and our job is to cater to love and nurture our village.

Once you start going outside of that, then you have to spend your whole life trying to make sure these people continuously like you. And then you live in dogma, and dogma would eat your ass up alive. And it's just not worth it. It's just, it's a bill that you don't want to ever have to pay. Does it bother it all?

Which part? The way that people attack you, because you get attacked a lot. You know. And you know what's crazy? I don't realize the amount that you get attacked. We're going to dive all into it until you come up here about your book. And I'm just doing research in your book. And I'm like, God damn, do they not like Dr. Cheyenne Bryant?

I'd be seeing it in real time. So does that bother you at all? It doesn't bother me. It comes with the territory. And I think that any of us who are either in the industry and media, celebrity who has a certain level of fame or even just came from the inner city, right? It knows what it is to be an attractive woman in the hood in the inner city. You get a lot of rhetoric and you understand that the outside chatter is a part of being

successful. And then I said this with humility, but to truth, and you add on beauty, you add on being articulated or educated. And, you know, beating a lot of the statistics and the odds that come from being an inner city, you know, little girl, boy, it comes with the territory. So I always say that, you know, Jesus served the church, died for the church, and the church, Judas, his disciple, set him up. The people he loved and he served set him up to be crucified. So why do we personalize when people, i.e. our disciples, our folks who are never our disciples and our people, have an issue with us,

try to take us down or set us up for failure? That is. is a part of being great. That is a part of people witnessing you be in your lane and do what you do. And them saying, I either don't have the capacity to do so. I will love to do it. And what I've learned, y'all, is that people don't always want to occupy your space. They want your territory. And if you understand that, then you occupy the territory that God has given you because no one can take what God is giving you can't miss what's yours and if your faith which is an action word stands on that then what are you personalizing when people have an issue with you one number two people literally pay for the kind of internet attention that i get they create storylines for the headlines and the blog attention

and the virality that i get i don't pay for any of it i just show up and be me um and so no it it doesn't bother me. What I will say is there's times where Dr. Brian has to check Cheyenne on some of my clapbacks. Some of my clapbacks be like, you know, well, your mama. And I said, you can't say that. But then I'm like, you can't. But I'm like, don't. So it has stretched my bandwidth. It has really shown me how emotionally intelligent I am. And it also has shown me where I have some growth in the emotional maturity space when I'm thinking of clapping back or or or saying something that could really gut people. Well, how does it feel, you know, because a lot of the backlash come from people in your field,

right? Come on. Other doctors, therapists, life coaches. And what I say is they say the reason that you don't get questioned or tested as much is because of your quote unquote looks. You know, Evie, I said this last time I was on, you might be my alter ego brother. Because some of the stuff you say is just right up the alley of what needs to be addressed. So there's pretty privilege, and I've learned that there's pretty punishment.

And I didn't really understand that term until I got into my field. And I want to say this. I've been in my field for 18 years. I didn't get into this field to become famous, to become a celebrity. I got in this field because I was a little girl from the inner city who was tenacious determined to make it out. And I had a lot of broken pieces and abandonment. And when God provided me tools that helped me.

take my broken pieces and make peace from it, go from my wilderness into my promise land, which I talk about in my book, Live Your Promise. I thought, wait a minute, I got to make sure I get everybody I come in contact with these principles because everyone deserves that freedom and that healing that I'm experiencing what I call God's peace, all right? And so with that, people got a whiff of it. And, you know, the found base, the folks made me famous, made me a celebrity. I did not grow up and say, hey, I want to just, listen, I'm a good looking woman.

I've had access to the industry for my entire life. If I wanted to be famous, I would have went maybe the actress route or the modeling route. Easy, easy, easy call for me. It would have been so easy. I've never had an agent. I've never had a manager. So what I'm saying is this came to me, and I had to continuously remind people, I'm in a field where I am taking on people's luggage. I am unpacking it, and I am helping them process through their stuff so they can have a better quality of life.

They can have mental health, and they can actually have tools to sustain their well-being. So none of that. No one goes to college and gets multiple degrees to say, I want to be famous. Now, do I love it here? Yeah, I love it. I'm grateful for it. I appreciate it. So another thing is, you know, I created my own lane as a psychology expert life coach.

So when people see that they went into a group that wasn't a lane, they just felt into being a part of a group, and they're looking at this other woman who they're like, wait a minute, you know, she created her own lane and she's totally killing it. It's like, yo, there's only room for me in the lane that I created. And I would like if y'all put your blinker on when you're trying to get over. Because a lot of times they're trying to just get over in my lane. It's like, but it doesn't work like that.

If folks would concentrate on either asking, buying books, looking at my videos, booking a session to say, Doc, how did you do it? I'm not a gaykeeper. I love putting people on. The quickest way to walk this through serving people. I'm in a service position. As a psychology expert life coach, I am serving people all day long as president of NAACP, the biggest civil rights organization in Los Angeles for 14 years. That is a service position. We don't get paid to run a civil rights organization.

That is volunteer work I've done for 14 years. I am in a service position. I'm a commissioner at home for our assemblymen. I have been a Democratic California state delegate. Those are all elected official servant positions. And so if folks would focus on, Doc, how did you create your own lane? I don't want to be you, but damn it, I want my own lane to occupy. I would give them the tools like I'm doing in my book,

Live Your Promise, about how I did it, how I went from the hood to the hills. Was it hard? Yeah. Is it possible? Absolutely. Am I the only one that can do it? Hell no.

The tools I use, if you apply it, you would get the same result, just like baking a cake. Well, you know, I want to start up with, because doing research, I mean, when I say the amount of people that's attacking you, it just opened up a Pandora's box. I'm like, Jesus, I thought people didn't like me.

They don't like you even more. Wait, they don't like you even more. No, sometimes, sometimes. But, you know, I wanted to start with what you do, the thing I see online is she doesn't do this under her license. She's not a quote-unquote real doctor. She has an honorary degree. She didn't earn it.

So let's talk about what you do as far as being a life coach and a doctor. Do you have a license for what you do? And is a license needed. I love that. What I do, a license is not required. One. Number two, when I was in my undergrad, which is a degree in psychology.

My master's is a degree in marriage, family, and child therapy. My doctorate is in counseling psychology. Those are all academic. I have four academic degrees. The other one is in Pan-African studies. There's two honorary doctorates. One is in behavioral science. So you have an earned doctorate.

Yes. And the other one is in humanitarian. Honorary doctorates are to praise you and give you your flowers for your body of work. Okay. They're not academic, but it shows your body. of your work is effective enough for them to honor you with an honorary doctorate. Now, going back, when I said I worked under a license, see, all of this is terminology. People would open up their ears and do what school teaches therapists to do.

I'm not a therapist, but a group of licensed professionals who have an issue with this, they teach you all something called active listening. None of y'all seem to be actively listening. Working under a license means I'm working under a license. means I'm working under a supervisor's license. If anyone went to school for therapy, psychiatrist, psychologist, you have to accumulate practicum.

You have to accumulate hours before you can graduate. It's not an option. So I accumulated thousands of hours underneath the supervisor's license, working as a marriage, family, and child therapists. So an MFT is what I was, not an LMFT. LMFT is licensed marriage and family therapist. MFT is marriage and family therapist.

As I worked under that license, I did diagnose, I did treatment plans, and I seen clients regularly. My goal was never, ever to obtain licensing, ever. I did not go to college and say, I want to become a licensed therapist. Let me put a disclaimer out there. a licensed therapist, there's nothing wrong with that. There are absolutely effective, amazing therapist, counselor, psychiatrist, psychologist, and life coaches.

Absolutely amazing. It's all subjective. What works for where you are in your life? What works best for the season you're in? What is it that you need? And what clinician or coach is best fit for what you have going on, the season you're in, and whose tools and principles will most be effective for where you're trying to be and for your healing. That's what it boils down to.

Neither is better. One's license and one's not. For me, I have all of the training and I have the academia and I have the education. I'm going to say it one last time. I had zero desire to ever become licensed. As a young girl, I've always created my own lanes. I'm a disruptor. Y'all can't see that by now?

I've always been the woman that said, hey, if everyone's doing left, then I want to go create right. If everyone's doing black, I want to go create white. I'm doing it now. It works for me. So my goal was to be able to create a huge platform and be able to heal people, bless people, at a large level. Not to be licensed or bill insurance, diagnose, or treat or have patients. I don't do or have any of those. I provide effective tools, principles, and I have clients, and I have sessions.

And that is exactly what I do. Why did you start off not wanting to be licensed, where most people would be licensed in it? I have friends who've gotten licensed, have experienced some things, what you have to do, want your license, and have said, I'm okay with not renewing, you're not going forward or whatever, right? Wait, say that again. Run that back? So I have friends who've been licensed that have said, you know what? I'd rather do it the other way because their battle with insurances and how they're paid is a conversation.

but most people start off wanting to be licensed. Why did you start off not wanting to be licensed? Because I knew that it would create barriers for me in the way that I want to be able to approach my clients. I knew that, for example, when I was working under a license, a supervision license as an MFT, not an LMFT, I had a client they came in, a young woman, who experienced sexual abuse. And because I'm working under a license, I had to make sure that I followed those

licensors ethics and laws in the sense of not confidentiality. I do that now as a life coach and not as boundaries. But there were moments where she needed a hug because she was having a lot of triggers and she was experiencing a lot of her sexual abuse in a way that she needed to be supported. And, of course, I asked, you know, is it okay if I hug you in this moment? Is that okay? I would ask my clients now. And she said, I'm not ready for that hug.

No problem. A few months went on, and I asked her again, hey, you know, is it okay if I hug you was our last session? We were actually ending our term together. and she was like, yeah, like I'm actually ready for that hug. Now, as a licensed clinician, you are taught in school ethically that you do not hug embrace your clients at all. If y'all have ever experienced therapy, I have, that's something, that's a no-no.

It's just something you don't do unless you, of course, acts, but it's a very, very thin line. My approach as a life coach, I'm very loving, I'm very nurturing. I hug. I say, I love you, have a good day at the end of our sessions. And those small things that I'm able to do as a life coach have been life changing from my clients. I've had clients after giving them a hug, stay in my office for 20 minutes, just crying and bawling their eyes out, saying, you have no idea how much I needed that hug, doc. I've had clients that I've said, I love you, I'm proud of you, who have said my mother, my father, has never said those words to me. And that has been the catalyst to their healing. Some folks don't need to just come and just talk. Some people do. Some people that talk

therapy is their breakthrough. And I completely advocate for that, if that's what you need. For some people, they do just need to be nurtured in love through their pain. Some folks, trauma has completely broken them and has calloused them to where only love is what can break down those barriers of callous, of their heart being hardened because they've never experienced that type of nurturing and love. And so again, everybody has different things that they need. It's about us not focusing on who is better or worse or titled or not title. It's how can we serve the people that we all are collectively trying to make sure it gets tools, gets healing, gets therapy if you're a therapist, gets coaching if you're a coach. How can we make sure those people get what they need? And let's take

the focus away from the practitioners or the coaches. Are you effective? are you changing and healing lives? If so, run those plays. If not, get more training, get more practice, or get up under somebody who can teach you how to do it effectively. Because really, at the end of the day, that's all that we all are trying to do. And I want people to know, I want them to choose what works best for you, not just only as the patient or the client, but as the clinician or the coach. Which lane works best for you? I don't want my hands tied behind my back. I'll land on this as a little girl I didn't need to just talk y'all I needed love I needed someone to see me I needed someone to hold my hand I needed someone to pat me on the back I wanted someone to sit

with me grab my low cheeks and say listen I love you with your hurt self with your pain self with your trauma self with your abandoned self I got you so I can provide those it's those same principles that worked for me I'm able to do in my lane that I've created and in my capacity and I've been doing it 18 years and I'm effective. And it has made me the most out-out psychology expert life coach in the world today. What do you say to those people, one thing? What do you say to those people? Like you told us what you studied and what you did and the schooling that you got and the classes that you take.

But, you know, when I said I did a deep dive, some people were like, well, how can she tell me about my marriage when she hasn't been married? How can she tell me about my family or my kids when she hasn't been through that? even though you studied it and you got your degree in it so what do you say to those people so you're just going to cook the whole the whole interview just going to cook all your questions are going to be

because you know what because I'll be honest I just tell them that we talked about this pre pre pre I know but what I say with like you know and I looked at it wasn't like you know two years ago this is like a week ago I'm like Jesus Christ

y'all trying to stomp out the Chey and Brian like my next did the Phillie sixes but God yeah and we know that's a shot at the Philadelphia 76s and we know that's not going to happen you know that's just not going to happen you can't have what God has given me It don't work like that.

And you can't be in my lane. You couldn't ride in this lane if I gave you the opportunity to. So whatever star you wishing on baby, wish a little bigger because that's not going to happen. But your question was, what do I think about people who say, I'm not married, so how can I teach folks? So this is the thing. I do not teach people how to be married. Marriage is between you and your partner. That's your agreement.

That's your covenant. And however, you two decide to create and curate your marriage. I can't teach you that. What I teach people is how to get out of their own way because happy, healed people make happy, healed marriages. Miserable unhappy people create miserable marriages. Trauma doubt folks create trauma bonds. Healed people create healed bonds. I teach you envy.

How do you process through your trauma so you don't bleed on your wife? I teach you, Lauren, how do you get out of your daddy issues? Not saying you have them, your daddy issues, your parental issues. Okay, well, your dog, I'm on point today out of your daddy issues, right? so that you don't point and project your pain onto this man who is loving the hell out of you and doesn't deserve that. If I could teach you how to heal those and how to get out of your way with that, then I have helped you become a better woman for yourself, which in return is going to do what?

Benefit the collective of that marriage. No one can teach people how to be married. We teach you how to get out of your own way so you and your partner can be healthy. That's it. Because no matter how much we teach you the proper tools of marriage, if you are traumatized out and you're abandonment and sabotaging this thing, those tools will not be effective until I help you get out of your way. So I want to ask this question,

and I want to go back to the degree thing because I have something to ask before we move from that. So on that, right, on that self-sabotage, there another conversation in your community of work is with people feeling like you don't have the educational background that they're like out here searching for or whatever, right? What say that again? So with people debating whether you have your degrees and all this stuff, right? The biggest thing is, is like, in a normal situation, if, because I've heard you say that you're dealing with your own, like, wounds of, like, being abandoned and, like, how you'll self-sabotage in certain situations.

How I have. I used to. Yes. I used to pass tense, yes. Yeah. So a lot of people who are in your lane, they're like, okay, if I know that personally about myself, I depend on my education to be able to put that to the side and give you the tools. And I know some people are upset because they're like, well, they're trying to say you don't have the education, but then you also have this, your own issues and your own issues. your real life. So how are you separating the two of? One thing is their legend is not there.

Yeah, I got you. I hear the question. So the work that I've done on my abandonment, that has created a healing in me and really allow me to identify my pain pockets, right? So to where I don't sabotage anymore, I'm able to have emotional intelligence, high functionality, and communicate with you, even as a friend to say, look, you know, how you show up in this relationship, Lauren, it's triggering me. and in the past I would have sabotaged or just left or not even had a conversation. But I want to talk about this because I honor and I love our friendship. And so when you do X, Y, Z, this is how it makes me feel.

I'm identifying my emotion. And these are the things that I need from you as my best friend. Can you commit to those things? That's a healing person who's talking. That is where I am now. Okay. Sabotaging was something I did as a young girl because I didn't even understand that I was sabotaging because I was still trying to get in contact with my pain. I was still trying to figure out how abandonment was impacting me.

So the tools that I used to be able to get myself from self-sabotaging to communicating and being high functioning and having emotional intelligence and mending this relationship and letting you know what I need because now I have awareness of who I am as a woman. I'm aware of my pain pockets. I'm aware of my triggers. Those are all the tools that I teach. Those are all the tools that are in my book, live your promise. And so I'm teaching folks how to get out of their own way because there was a time where I was in my way.

And what made it challenging for me to heal y'all was I was in relationships with people who enabled it because they weren't leaving me. It didn't matter what I did. They weren't going nowhere. They were still putting rings on my finger. They were still wanting to marry me. They were still loving the hell out of me. And that enabling mechanism doesn't give folks an excuse to still show up, trauma out, to still show. to still show up in your dysfunction,

you still have a responsibility to love yourself enough, respect yourself enough to say, let me identify what is going on in me, even though this person is allowing it that I know is not effective for the collective of the relationship or myself. You think that that was, like, them still coming back, was that their ego of like, you know,

men want to be able to conquer to be able to change and sit you down and, you know, all those things that come with, like when you're a strong woman. Or could it be because he was just trying to love you through your problems? I mean, I was going to say, or was it the opposite? Like, what did you discover more? You know what?

I think that God just really blessed me with amazing people in my life. Like, I've had some amazing parents. I've had amazing partners who I've been in relationship with. I've had friends that just love me down. And I like to say that that's a reflection of who I am and how I love. I love deep. I love hard. I will love you out of your shit.

I will love you out of your shit. I'm like that with my clients. And so I just had men who they just had the bandwidth to love me through my shit. And that taught me that you can have all the tools, you can have the best therapist, the best coach. But if you don't have love, healing is nearly impossible. I don't care what anyone says. you'll be a highly functioning transactional person with like an encyclopedia with all the tools and the effectiveness and this is how it works and the principles but but internally homeless is hell because you won't have the ability to attach to love to securely attach not anxiously attached or avoidantly attached you would be a mansion that's homeless and so you know people just really loved me through my trauma. And that was amazing. How were they enabling you? What were like what were you doing?

Because the first time they weren't setting boundaries. They weren't saying about they weren't saying But at what part because you know when people think of enabling you think of drugs right you think enable them to use drugs and enabling them to gamble enabling them to do something that you feel like will be hurtful to their life. So what was your enabling? Them not setting boundaries with me. You know folks some some people bless you some people fall. so deep in love envy that they start loving the person more than themselves, which puts an eclipse up from them realizing that there needs to be a boundary set right now. Don't most women want that?

Don't most women want somebody that's going to love them damn there more than themselves? Absolutely. I do. I do. So let me speak for myself. I do. But I want, let me say this. As that man is loving me more than he loves himself, I want there to be a healthy balance of him

loving himself enough to say. baby I'm not going to leave you but this shit right here there's going to be a boundary put up here because see I do respect myself even though I love you I love myself too as a man and you just can't talk to me like that because that emasculates me and I'm vertical in who I am and the reason why you love me so much and the reason why I can carry you is because of the fact that I respect myself and that I'm vertical and so you cannot emasculate me, meaning shrink me and expect me to be big enough to carry you. That is a man who has boundaries.

He's not sabotaging you. He's not abandoning you, but it takes a healed of woman to say, you know what? You're right. Let me work on this. Show me how to work on this. Teach me what that looks like because maybe I've never done that. Maybe I've never had a father. It takes a certain woman.

Women who don't have the bandwidth. with the awareness to healing to respect that kind of man should have enough respect for themselves to leave, not sabotage, but leave that relationship because she will emasculate him. But a man who was functioning

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A man who's loving the hell out of you? I mean, you've got to learn. That is what made me want to be better. I was going to ask what that. That's what made me want to be better. It'd be that right there because a lot of people will not do like the therapy stuff and all of that. But like if you get with the right person where you're like, it makes you really face your own stuff, you're like, hold on. Like, then you start kind of.

working backwards off of like, oh. So wait. And you talked about mother wounds too. Because a lot of people talk about daddy issues and I think that that definitely is a thing. But I don't think people talk enough, especially with black girls about mother wounds and how that transcends into how you deal with your relationships, friends and your, like your marital relationships too. Absolutely. We talk about men with mommy issues and women with daddy issues, right? We always cross-section.

We don't talk about women who have mommy issues and how that shows. up and impacts friendships. How it also shows up and plays a role in how, you know, some women are okay with dealing with married men. Some women are okay with being the side chick. Sometimes it's not because daddy won there. Sometimes it's because mommy was competing with you at a young age. Sometimes because mom abandoned you and you have an internal dislike or hatred towards

women because of the wounds that your mother created. So sometimes women are saying, if I could be with this merry man and hurt his wife, then it's my way of saying F all women, because my mother is a woman who I despise. We have to look at all moving parts when we are helping or dealing with people unpack their stuff. We can't just say because, you know, you're a womanizer, automatically mommy issues. Because you process your emotions in a certain way automatically, daddy issues. daddy wasn't there. I have to be able to say, all right, envy, who was in the house? And I always say this, just because a parent is present doesn't mean they don't present more trauma. Sometimes

learn behavior of learning how to become a womanizer is what creates a womanizer and a man. Seeing your father, womanize your mother, teaches you that that is the normality of being a man. It glamorizes it for a lot of little boys. And they grow up loving and admiring their father, showing up in the admiration of what they see. Never being told, nah, son, this is what I'm doing, but this is not the right way to do it. Well, let me ask you.

So, you know, we were talking about it earlier. We were talking about Neo and his relationships, right, with his three or four women. How do you look at that relationship for those individual women? So polyamorous to me is a lifestyle. So it's a choice, right? It's nothing in secrecy.

It's not women saying, hey, I'm dating a man who has a woman or a wife and I'm doing it in secrecy. And so this is feeding, you know, my trauma of being able to be hidden because I've always been hidden as a little girl. Nobody ever seen me. So this allows me to be in my norm of never being seen, right? That's one reason why women will become the side check. Polyamorous is a lifestyle. So it's not for me, but I don't see anything wrong with it for the folks who are choosing it at all. If that makes sense.

I don't think polyamorous is a lifestyle that is deemed bad. I think it is only bad when things are deceptive. When there's lies and there's deception, then it's totally, totally out of pocket. It's completely unhealthy. But if this is an open relationship and we are all happy here, are y'all happy? Are you healthy?

It ain't my thing. I'm territorial. I want all minds to myself and I want you territory over me. You would be unhappy with me in a house full of anybody outside of me. Very much. Everybody would be unhappy. And by the way, all this stuff that we're talking about, even though it's not directly mentioned in your book,

your book, Live Your Purpose, the way that you set up, Yeah, Live Your Promise. I'm sorry. Part 1, 2, and 3 with, like, the building of your house. Yes. All of this kind of goes into it, because you spend a lot of time on, like, accountability, understanding what's actually happened versus what's not.

So, like, I don't want people to be like, oh, she's there for the book, then they're going into all the stuff. No, the book gives you, like, a very good foundation of when the stuff is happening. 100%. How to maneuver. Break down the three parts of the book.

You have thinking, feeling, and behavior, right? Now, how does this make up someone's personality? Yeah, so your three-part house is exactly, you know, who you are, how you think, how you feel, how you behave. When it's in alignment, you are healthy, you are whole, and you are manifesting. You are in alignment. Manifensation happens at the point of alignment. So how you think, I talk about the first part, is as a man think it in his heart, so is he, right? And the Bible also says, think only on the thoughts that are prosperous, positive, and praiseworthy.

If you wouldn't pray for it, why would you think it? because we do become our thoughts. Our thoughts then create an emotion, right? And so if I always say if a person can't govern their emotions, they can't govern anything because your emotions is what creates your appetite. So womanizing, cheating, those are all appetites. Those are our emotionally driven behaviors. If you can't govern how you feel or regulate your emotions,

you will always be reactory. they did a study where it shows that folks who are in jail, right, or in prison, where we have committed crimes, have less ability to regulate their emotions. That means that their decision making at that time was emotionally reactory. It wasn't something that they processed before they produce. It wasn't an emotion that they regulated and then said, let me respond in this way because I calculate the risk. So emotions is something we have to learn to identify, regulate, so that our

appetite and how we show up could be in alignment with what we want to do, who we want to be in our goals. And both of those create our behaviors. Our behaviors are the only thing that creates results. If we can get them thoughts and those emotions in alignment, how we behave will create the result that we want. And so I teach you not only the tools on this is what you do, but I have a toolkit at the end of every chapter that says this is how you use the tool. You use this hammer to build this house, use this hammer to destroy this one if it's not serving you. And I use the Moses journey as a metaphor in the book. How many times you didn't have to open your own book and work through it again? Because the claims, the conversations online in the last couple weeks have been in. Are you actively

like going back to your own practices for yourself though in real life? I stand on these principles. I don't even have to go back because these principles are my principles every day. I'm always reprogramming. I meditate every day for 20 minutes. I'm definitely, you know, scripture inclined. I mean, I stand on faith. Faith is an action word. I'm always making sure that my thoughts are the thoughts that I want to create. I'm always reminding myself that everything is working for me that, you know,

to call a thing that isn't as though I want it to be. I'm always making sure that I'm obedient to, to what God is telling me to do. I even, listen, I've had to pray a couple times this week. I said, God, so what I want to say, I'm being on. I said, God, what I want to say is this. I'm going to pray on it. And in about 30 minutes, I'm going to check in with my decision making, my emotions, my appetite to see if this is. I prayed on it and God gave me three or four people's name.

And he said, would they respond like this? And I said, damn it, no. He said, so what is your answer? I said, but God, he said, remember Moses. I told Moses to speak to the rock and he hit it. And because Moses wasn't obedient, he got to the promised land and didn't make it into the promised land. Do you want to be in your wilderness for 40 more years or do you want to get into your

promised land? I said, I kind of want both. I want to rip them a new fucking tail and I want to get in the promise land. Said you can't have both because you can't be lukewarm, make a choice. So I wheeled back. I use the tools that I provided in my book, Live Your Promise. I emotionally regulate it. I govern myself.

And I said, I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. Okay, so this brings me to the question I was trying to ask a bit back. The conversation about your doctorate because people can't find your dissertation online, how are you responding to that in this new era of your life? Like, what is the answer to, number one, like, why isn't it online? I've also seen claims of like there's an alleged like chairman from your university saying that you didn't finish things, whatever. What, like, can you clear that up for the people who are hearing it from one side, but now we have here?

So I'm going to say this, I'm going to clear it up once. on here, I'm not doing it again. And I'm clearing it up for my Doc Squad, for my fan base, for my audience who deserve to hear me address it. For the folks who have already made up their mind to not like me or not understand me,

listen, I don't give a fuck what your narrative is. I would like for you to recreate it, double down on it, and run that shit. Because I don't give a fuck about it. Now, to my Dox Squad, my fan base, my folks, you know, my village, it's very simple. I went to a school, Argus University, completed an entire program. I went back online to get my official transcripts

because I was applying to a law school many years ago to be a professor there. And I had to provide my transcripts, right, to get hired. And I went to contact the school and say, hey, I need my official transcripts. I need my entire thing. And there was no school. I was like, okay, I'm confused. I Google. It says this school has been shut down. I said, oh, well, they got to have records. I mean, they were accredited when I attended the school. They were accredited when I finished the program. I go and look, there is a third party that has the records. Why, I contact the third party, that third party only holds records for two years. I was past my two years. So that means that I had no access to records, to anything. Now, whatever the school did

with the transcripts for us, all of us students, whatever they did with dissertations, we don't know. I even went as far as, you know, contacting my cohorts, other students, and they said, look, you know, we're running into the same issue. We're trying to get our transcripts. We're trying to get our information. And then I contacted, you know, financial aid. You can't make a financial aid.

It shows that I paid for a doctoral program alongside my master's program. my undergrad program and they said we can fully refund you your money under one circumstance we give you your money back you don't get credit for not a class a course a program you took in this university at this at this institute so do you want us to refund you or do you want us not I said no because I didn't want to risk the chance of them saying what we're going to to give you back your money and it wipes out your entire program. And so that's just as simple as it is. Luckily, I had, you know, I did this with all of the schools. I had downloaded from the actual student portal my transcripts at that time. And I was able to get all, just about all of my

transcripts, including up to like dissertation. But everything else, there's no, there's just no holding take for any of our records, which, I think it's completely, completely effed up. They're all going to kill you online this week. They're going to say she has no records. They just want to hate you regardless. No, that's fine. And it's not even that there's no records that I don't.

The school had a third party that carry the records only for a limit of two years. So it's not me. It's any student that attended Argosy, whether they say a same student was halfway through the program. And they just want to take those units. and transfer them because you can if the school was accredited. They don't have records for that unless that student was smart enough like myself to print out records from an online student portal and say, look it, I have this.

Not only that, I also kept all of my syllabus. When you keep your syllabus from any course you've taken, then you are due credit for each syllabus. It has a date on there. It gives you the whole curriculum of what you studied and what it was about and the course. And so I just happen to be smart enough to keep all of my syllabus. to be able to print out my own records.

The only concern is, you know, the official ones would need to come from, like my degree from CalC at University of Northridge does, my psychology degree, come from there, are my masters, right? Those schools are still operating so I can go in and say, hey, how you doing, Lauren, I need to print out my official transcripts. But again, it doesn't, how can I say,

it doesn't affect me because if I chose to go get a license as an LMFT, I have my master's in marriage from a child therapist. I have my hours. I can just take that and say, hey, let me submit these for licensers. And I want to go sit for my exam and I'll have to do a study. I don't need a doctorate in counseling psychology to go get licensed as a therapist. That's what we're all missing. So if I just want to go get licensed and we said, hey, the school shut down,

so they're not going to let you sit for licensing because of that doctorate program school, well, I have a master's. At an institute that is not shut down. That is accredited. You have a lot of meditation this week, boy, because they're going to be on your ass. They didn't do everything on you. They do that.

It was like a plagiarism conversation they were trying to say that it was like you were dismissed from the universe. It's been a lot. It's been a lot of false narrative. And again, I, you know, my thing is I don't address any narrative. I like people to have whatever narrative that they like. Does that hurt you business? Business-wise, though?

It hasn't. At all. I mean, I'm booked and busy. I'm still on my speaking tour. I'm on my book tour. Book. My book. Yeah, this is my second book. I got a double book deal. I, you know, wanted to thank Charlemagne from when he's not here. Charlemagne, thank you. You're on Black Privilege. You know what I mean? Huh? You're a publisher. No, I'm Publisher House, Random House, but I want to thank him because when folks were putting in their bid to give me a book deal, Charlemagne, his publishing company was one that was in the bidding war. And I'm grateful for that.

I want to thank him because, you know, I appreciate that. So no, it doesn't. My clients, I still have a full caseload. I actually have a waiting list. Since the rhetoric online has inflamed, I actually have people who have just been booking sessions even more because now they have an interest in seeing what my approach is and seeing how my sessions go. And so I've had to have other coaches that I have that work for the Dr. Brine Institute take on some of those clients. Some of those clients don't want to see other folks. They want to see me. When I leave this interview, I was just telling my team that I have a couple of sessions

that I have to do in between y'all in my next interview. So I'm booked and busy. And what people to understand is, listen, I'm grateful for the free marketing. I'm just keeping it real because most people knew who I were, who I am. and who I was, but for the ones who didn't, they now know. And if anybody who has made it very far in this industry knows good or bad attention is still good attention when you have a brand. And so, again, it's about how you use it.

It's about, you know, if you choose to address it, how are you going to address it? It's also about, you know, when you have folks who are keeping your face and name recognition, extremely large, where are you driving those people to? Are you driving them to you just responding to these people, which does nothing for your clients, for your brand, or for your name? Or are you driving them to your purpose, which is healing, speaking, my sessions, my book, and all the things that I do? Did it bother you when you had, and maybe you didn't have it, when you had friends in this industry that were on your side and you see them changing, did that happen to you with everything that's going on. Did you see people that you thought you were cool with changing,

whether they're, you know, people on TV or just friends in the industry? You mean with this situation? Absolutely. I love that because it actually showed how many people really were ten toes down for me. I love that for you. I'm serious. I was like, yo, you know what? I knew people rock with me. I'm like, but people are rocking with me. You know, there were, you know, people who went and did live responses on social media and was like, Doc, I need you to address this. I'm like, I'm not addressing shit. I'm not. You know, maybe if someone asks me on an interview and I decide to, I will. But it will be for my people, not for the small group of folks who are extremely low functioning because they're not reading terminology.

They're not doing their research. And they're showing their card that this is a jealousy, envy thing because someone created their own lane. And you're in a lane that has you stuck in what you've decided. I'm not in a box and I'm not going to be. And so a lot of folks did that. And then I have a lot of friends who are, you know, A-listers and clients

who are A-listers who do have a brand. And I understand that. Who have reached out and said, look, I want to make a statement. How can I do it so it doesn't hurt you? Right? I love that. Doc, what do you need for me? Do you need me to say this? You need me to vouch for you.

And usually I say no. You know, I'm okay. I just, you reaching out is enough. But these times, like you just said, NB, show you,

you know, who's solid? And I really, I really just had folks that showed up and showed out. And I had a team. I mean,

I got to say, listen, as soon as all this hit, my team, Hey, House, you know, my, my publicist,

Lakeisha, I mean, everybody texts, like, hop on a call. And it wasn't hop on a call. what's going on. Is this true? Is it not? It was, how are you doing? Because you're on stages every other day. You're on your book tour. You are, you know, booked and busy. How are you doing? How can we help you continue to process through this? And so, again, you know, I know this sounds bananas, but people who are successful understand this, this is free marketing. I get attention online that people pay for.

And I tell God all the time I say, God, whatever you did, whatever it. It's like when a switch came on and never turned off, right? Yeah. I said, if I wear something, if I put a bobby pin in my hair, if my, you know, if my eyelashes is at a three o'clock and out of four o'clock, baby, they are going crazy online. And I made a joke this morning with my sister. and headed here, he mentioned posting or doing something. And I said, no.

I said, no. I said, we own the Internet. And he started dying and laughing. He said, yes, you do. And so I'm great. I'm really, I'm grateful. I'm really grateful for it. And, you know, like Shaquille O'Neal Shack's one of my good friends.

And I remember a couple years back, there was some, it would have been nonstop. There was something else going on. And he called me to check on me. He said, what's up, champ, you good? I say, yeah, I'm good. He said, listen, good or bad attention. good or better attention, dog, it's good attention. You want it all.

You want it all. I said, I know. You know, but it is a slight adjustment because, you know, you do have, I have to work on more controlling my snap bat, you know, because my mouthpiece in the way I'm set up, I could say things that I have this. Sometimes it's needed, though. Sometimes it's needed.

Sometimes it's needed. I think you do it in a way that, you know, it's very, it feels. who you are and kind of what you're putting out at this point. A little elevated, you know, every now and then. But I think for me, I'm glad to hear you say people are actually calling in real life and being like, are you okay? Because when I'm reading the book and you're going from your thinking to your feelings to like behaving and how you have to act in real life, and then in real life you're experiencing

this, I'm like, I know she's human though. 100%. But let's be realistic. Let's talk about the big, big, big dogs. Let's talk about the Oprah's. majority of black folks for some reason don't like her. You think O was sitting there thinking about how she's going to clap back at somebody? She'd be in her garden with Bill.

Baby, baby, I just seen her and Gail in Fashion Week. Mama Oden lost about 30 pounds. She is killing it. You think that Tyler Perry claps back at everybody online. He was at Cardi B concert two nights in a row, honey. He's court side at the game. He's writing, creating a movie. movie. He has Tyler Perry Studios. Really? And I'm going to go to another name that people absolutely

hate. But they are one of the most richest, famous families out there. The Kardashians. You think that family sits around the dinner table and has meetings about how many folks don't like them? They're planning their next deal. They're planning their next partnership. Kim's trying to figure how she can get another partnership with skims. Kylie's Tomball makeup and cosmetics. Chris Jenner is on a private jet somewhere in freaking meekino's with what her, I don't want to say why in, but her young man, Corey. So what I'm saying is when you look at the people, Obama,

how many black folks love and then hate him? Because he didn't do enough, but he did do it. I mean, so you got all the most successful, affluent, influential people who are hated the most. And if, God said to me loud and clear, baby, I'm going to give you much territory. And if you think you're going to occupy this level of territory and that people are not going to attempt to possess it, you have lost your mind. Then you're just not ready for that level of bigness. Because all the folks who are moving in that space, they're moving in that space.

They've had to learn what I'm teaching and live your promise, how to think a certain way, feel a certain way, and behave a certain way. that the outside chatter doesn't affect how they live. Because you don't put in all this work to get here and then live in fucking dogma. I don't. Not at all. I'm going to still run my plays the way I want to do them, the way that I've created them,

in my lane that I've created. That's it. There you have it. New book is out right now. Live your promise. We appreciate you for joining us being so open. Of course. You saw so much lighting.

Anytime you see you up here or out and about, We appreciate love. Definitely do. You know I'm going to come here and bring the truth. Yeah, congratulations on the book. It's a good read. I appreciate it. Thank you.

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