The Breakfast Club - Breakfast Club Classic: Jess & Rome Talk 'Til Death Do We Parent,' Co-Parenting, Life’s Struggles & Lessons +More

Episode Date: July 3, 2026

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Morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy. Just hilarious. Salomey Nagar. We are the breakfast club. We got a special guest in the best. And first of all, make sure the door is locked, and I'm glad that her phone is in here because she can't use her phone to get in the room. So make sure the door is locked.

Correct. Jess O'Larias can't get in. We got our guy, Rome. Rome here. Who is just his baby's father. That's right. Ashton's dad. And, you know, Jess put out her new book this week, tell death do we parent.

It's available everywhere you buy books now. And it talks about how they got to a healthy place of co-parenting with each other. That's right. And I haven't even talked to Rome. I ain't reached out to Rome. I wanted to talk to Rome. face to face Rome what did you think of the book where tell death what's your first film honest honest honest first film you read the book first chapter I feel like some things

wasn't explained the correct way we're not supposed to let her in here you're supposed to let her in you're supposed to keep her out for a little bit okay let it rome talk Rome has the floor Rome has the floor you can sit down Jess unless you want to leave you can also leap okay yes yeah I'm All right, you can leave. You can leave. You can leave. We just asked the first question. All right.

It's too late. You got none. It's too late. Now, back to what you were saying. What did you think of the book till death do we're praying? You said first chapter. You said it was cap. Honestly, not even cap.

I just think after women read it, they're going to hate me. And why? Because, of course, you know men can't go through that. But when women are going through, like, postpartum, those stages and stuff like that, if you read this one, the first chapter, it's going to be like I was a dog. Like, I did everything during those times when I did it.

So you weren't a dog? No, I feel like she fabricated it far as putting it too early. It was late. It was later than that. I didn't do any of that during postpartum. But it was a dope book. Interesting, very transparent to see that we've grown so much. And to share other, to share with other people on, you know,

that co-parency is not a bad thing i think that that's that's the biggest part in the goal that we always talked about and that was for years even when we started co-parency therapy back in it was COVID so i want to say 2020 when it was shut down yeah man the book is yeah but see that's what i got from the book that's what i say i don't think people will hate you if they read past the first chapter you know what i mean because you do get to the growth in the evolution of both of you yes you know what i mean not just not just you both of you yeah and and but you're you and but you you got some people who ain't going to read through the book. That's right, right.

They're going to pinpoint and take out parts, and they're going to run with certain narratives. I see the captions and highlights. The same way they do clips on Instagram or TikTok, whatever the case may be. They hate you off a clip and didn't even let you elaborate or explain yourself. What chapter hurt your feelings the most?

And don't lie, because I know you read it more than one time. What chapter was it? None of it really hurt me. Because none of it really hurt me because I own up to what I do. I ain't never been ashamed of anything I'm tell you why because I always had a choice I decided to make those choices

but what was heart warming to me was that she's able to talk about it now because a lot of times she wouldn't never open up about it and just to share that light on how much I've grown

as a man and as a father I just was you know apart I was not even apart I was really yeah I was I was just excited man I really was excited you can tell she has a lot of love for you regardless

Yeah, the love is always there. I'm just excited because if anybody who really know me truly and genuinely know me, that's my dog. How did you feel when, you know, she recently excerpts came out of a book and she talked about not necessarily wanting your first child, but wanted to keep you more than anything. So to make you happy, she was willing to do anything for you. How did that make you feel? I felt in a moment, I don't know there was no feeling. We was kids. looking back reading it

as a father of five now I understand and I say that because even when I go back to her and I'll be like if you're going to leave me alone don't go get another of me it's one of those things

well if you're having a child make sure that you know that this is going to be a family and I never wanted a lot of kids I always wanted a family but you know I was emotional I would say dumb not thinking vulnerable

in those moments even as a kid. But I think, I don't know, I think it just shaped her to be the wife that she is now. Do you look back at it and say, I messed this family up

because she talks about, she thought that y'all had a perfect family. Y'all were taking pictures and y'all were doing things as a family and a couple. And all of a sudden, she got a comment that says, Rome, oh, he here with you,

but he played a house on this other house. And matter of fact, he got a baby coming. Did you ever look back that and be like, damn, I effed that up. I look back sometimes

and say, I wish I did things, different. I ain't never going to say I wish I fucked it up because who knows if I wouldn't have did what I did, then we still would have been together because it goes both ways. And a lot of things that I've done, it was out of reaction. You know, it's three sides of every story.

Their side, your side, and the truth. Me, I just wasn't that heartless to just go out and do these things. I didn't even have access to it. So that's why we're going to dive deeper into the, those things but I wouldn't say I fucked up I would say I just wish I to did things different just to give us a chance because I never even gave us a chance got you oh that's a great question and just a great framing of it like if there were no kid involved right if there was no ashton would y'all still choose each other you think at that moment yeah no why because ashton was the

clue. Ashton was the one that kept it around. And me, I'm low tolerance. And Jessica speaks on that. She'll speak again on it. We spoke on that on the podcast when women don't do. And it might sound controlling or it might sound like I'm a narcissist, you know, at that moment, not now because I'm a change man, you know. At that moment, it may sound like I'm being controlling. But I felt like at the time, younger days, if women wasn't in my, if they weren't in compliance, I want no benefit to me. So just, just walk back in the room. I want to expound on the question I just asked you.

What was it about Jess that would make you not want to be with her if there was no last? Because he said he wouldn't be with you if it wasn't that. At that moment, at that moment, like I said, I'm going to repeat. At that moment, we was children. So it wasn't really nothing to be with our own, especially after all the things I did. And I say that to say at that time, of course, you know, a lot of men live with women for convenience and stuff like that. I didn't need any of that. I'm living at home, my stepmom.

So if there's no child, we'd have went out separate ways. Because it was easy to go separate ways with no tie. It's easy to go separate ways when you're not married. Marriage and children is the tie on, okay, let's see. Because you don't really want to start over. It's hard starting over. Not even hard. It's too much time.

You got to be relying a person, and then you don't even know if that person will be the person for you. So it takes time. Now, you said it was reactional, the fact that, you know, you cheated. Was it reactional because you didn't want to be in a family at the time or you didn't want to be tied down or was her, this was, you know, what was reactional? No, just did shit. Yeah, okay.

Now let's get to it. Oh, Charlemagne. Yeah, just did, just did things. And it's some things I said I would never speak on. I'm taking that to the grade with me because, yeah. That's why you believe that might not be yours at one point? No, I never, I never believed. that oh I've seen him he was mine through the sonogram at the moment at the moment

at the moment no I never really even believed it it was more so I was upset because of the heat of the moment boy oh you just said that to piss it off yeah okay okay yeah I said that to piss yeah I'm emotional question yeah I know I mean told him that action might not be his but she but she and she and I read that four five times again on train a day that particular yeah yeah yeah but then I felt asleep but no um how did the feel when she said that to you of course you know as a man you hurt in the moment you you you oh mind you you're shane in my face so i think it went different if she was in my face

shit like that but i didn't i never thought ashen was wasn't mine i just think she of all people at that moment even now know how to get under my skin there's only two things that really bothering my children in my mom it ain't really nothing else you can really say to me that were really moving why didn't you fight for the relationship after, you know, Jess was like it's over, you know, you had another baby on the way. Why didn't you fight for? Let's clear that up.

Okay. It was over before I had a baby on the way, Jessica. I know, wrong. I just, it was trying to, like, be with you and give my family. Like, because that's what I wanted. Ultimately, I wanted that family dynamic. I wanted to grow up. I wanted to ask to grow up in house with me and you together, you know.

And, yeah, it was over. I had mentally checked out. you was like moved like you had moved on and everything but like you was still selfish because I couldn't be with nobody you didn't want me but I couldn't be with nobody else No we claned it up

because in the book it makes it seem like I had a baby on you well you were dealing with Ashton is 3 number 2 I'm at Ashton is 14 okay Oliah is 11 yeah when did we split when he was like about two or three yeah we split one we split once

and yeah yeah yeah but I took you back. I got back with you. Remember when I met, yo. Correct. You know, I can't say his real name,

but yeah, when I met Emmanuel. We was, I can't say his real name. No, but that's not his real name. Hold on. Yeah,

because I was about to say his real name. But why didn't you fight for it? Why didn't you fight for that family back? If that's what you wanted, if that's what Ashton meant to you, why didn't you say, you know what? I'm going to cut the BS out and I'm a fight for my family.

Because of just. Music. Isn't it? He was rapping? No. Oh. Because of music. I use music a lot.

It's a therapy for me. It's influenced by it. Yeah. And it's one person. Oh. No? No. You talk about Webby?

No. Oh. Boosie? No. Who, girl? Yo Gotti. Oh, yeah. That's, yeah.

But one thing he said. One thing he said. And you can curse and say it. One thing he said was a nigga can do a thousand one thing. Once that girl with that one person, we can't take it. So at that moment And then even at that time Like you know

Still it's peer pressure People around you Oh and then at that time I really cared about What my friends thought So it was basically And then it was like a manhood And you know

Like my father I didn't really say too much Negative but You know He said the things he said But you know I think I was more so heartbroken Because of you know

Certain things that she did Do With the man Would not even just imagine you know, bro, you might, you might as well, if I see you texting five or six men, you might as well than fuck all of them, because in my mind, you did.

How many y'olds you had? No, when I'm, no, I'm, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I'm not making this thing like that. What I'm making this thing like is, even if I see you texting or talking to, oh, I'm just, you might as well what went on. In his mind, you, so I can't come back on. You already have sex with them. Yeah.

But that's a double standard because you was doing it. Even if. So I was like, I could do it, but you can't. Yeah, even if you didn't have sex with him, like, have sex, even if I'm just talking to somebody and he go on my phone and he see, oh, he's looking over and I'm texting him because, you know, I was going pretty hard. You know what I mean? But, like, he would look over and see he already just assumed, like,

oh, yeah, if you got balls enough to sit right here and text the nigga right in front of me, you're sleeping with him. And it's like Rome overthinks. Like, he creates these scenarios in his mind, and he overthanks and he thanks himself out of the relationship. He's not wrong for that. Yeah. Even though we shouldn't make assumptions, he's not wrong.

But when I'm right, I'm right. When I'm wrong, I could have been right. But when I'm right, I was wrong, but I wasn't wrong. Okay, okay. I see what I'm saying. No, yeah, I ain't hold you. But no, you know, you did some things to me too. Yeah, I believe, okay, let's, all right, that's fine.

Yeah, you do. And I'll take accountability for it. You did a lot of things in me. I didn't pull it up on Jessica a couple times. Pulled up on where, yo? In her neighborhood. Tell me. And then that's one thing, too.

I don't like when you ignore my phone calls. Control. Don't ignore my phone calls. And then don't hang up on me when I'm trying to explain. Because you're not. Let me get my point across because then that means you don't care about how I feel. And that's one thing about this society. Nobody cares about how men actually feel.

And then when men try to open up. And I looked at, it's on the same track that Michael Beasley and Shannon's shop. I felt a lot of things Michael Beasley said. said. When a man trying to open up, y'all laugh at until it's

too late. I'm just glad he was able to get the help he needed to be able to tell his story. But it's a lot of other men who are ashamed the door. But this book, and that ties everything to this

book, this book is a great book because his father's out there that's hopeless. Because you got a lot of types of dib beats. You got dead beats who they don't do something to baby my other say.

They did dead beat. You got dibs who just actually don't give a fuck. You got dibs who said, oh, don't get the, don't have that child. And then you still have the child. It's so many different ones. But for the men who actually want to be in their father's life. And their kids' life, yeah. And their kids, I'm sorry.

For the men who actually want to be in their kid's life, I just don't understand why women don't want to allow that. Let's stay there for a second. Because I asked Rome, I said, Rome, if you had a title for your book, what would be called, you had a very interesting title. You got a second one. I got two, so I'm with the second one. Let her father be a father.

Not when it's convenient for you. That's not when it's convenient for you is what got me. Yeah. Do you feel like she only wanted you to be a father when it was convenient for her? No. Okay. No, not with her. I got a lot of, of course you know, I got a line.

But no, with me and Jessica, it was never about, you understand, man, this is before the distance. That's why it's most genuine because she didn't keep a child because of her status or some money or whatever the case me to be. we just was honestly thought we was in love. And then when I grew up, I didn't grow up on Spiney Outblocks and that type of music. I grew up on Bow Wow and Lil Romeo and Sammy.

So, like, it was love music. And you just, I always just wanted those fairy tales. Like, my favorite show growing up was Sweet Life and Zach and Cody because of the family dynamic. So it's like, for a young man to want that, and then you see my life didn't get that, that's one of the things I'd be like, damn. I don't say I fucked up

But I'd be like, well, why I couldn't get What you wanted? Those cards And I used to always a lot of my friends I used to be jealous of my friends growing up They had their mom and dad And I didn't And I told them

They're bro like I don't like you Love you, but I don't like you My friends They had what I wanted And then I just used to see how they just Never appreciated their mom Was the co-parenting way That's your co-parent now

Was that always there Or they had to get there? Like at first was just not letting you see your son or you didn't want to see your son because you're not in spite of it. How did it originally start? So it was always co-parenting. It just I was co-parenting with her mother. With my mother?

Yeah, with Mama Robin. Because Jess didn't want to see you? Because Jess was Jess. I didn't want to see you. Why didn't? She had to see me though because she was living at the daycare. So she was going to see me. But it's never been the point where I couldn't see my son

or he's keeping away from me because she has. that family dynamic who this ain't that and why just why didn't you because most people would have been like he did me dirty he cheated on me he did all these things i'm gonna use my son to hurt him a lot of people do that we see that a lot of relationships why wasn't your mind frame matt as as hurt as you are i just yeah i just couldn't do it i i gave rome a lot of grace um because you know i was doing my my issue too but you know it's not about who well actually it was it was about who started it but whatever but once we started going back and forth trying to hurt each other

and trying to make each other feel the pain that each one of us felt, I got tired of that. And once I wanted to sit down with Rome and just put everything on the table, like, yo, are you, you, let's admit everything, things that I did that I was lying to him about. He admitted things to me.

Well, he explained things to me because that's the thing. Rome never really told me all he did. I will find out. And I'm going, I'm coming to him like, yo, this is what happened. Ain't no AI. A.I.

I was not, we, it wasn't even not our fingertips back then. So no. But I was able to give him a lot of grace. And then also like his trauma, he went through a lot when he was younger. And I realized him like, yo, I'm a lot more mature to see that. And my mother always instilled that in me. Give a person grace. Everybody comes from different walks of life.

You don't know what he's gone through. And it's hard to operate in this world without a mother. You know, and then with an absent father. you know father who you see but he's not really there is no real bond so I felt the need to like be more of a friend and a confidant you know because I think I was like the only one

that you can open up to about a lot of things that happened in your childhood a lot of things that you know you didn't that you that you didn't get as a kid after your mom's passing so I think that's what it was that she used that against you because you talk about being vulnerable does she ever use that again? So that's what I was going to say next but the big umbrella of everything she's saying, her mother. Ms. Robert.

Okay. Because she wouldn't allow it. You have women, you have men, you have human beings itself who, when shit don't go their way, they got enablers around them, telling them that that's right. That's right. When her mother, I loved her mother so much, it reminds me, how much used to go through hell and hot water.

Because I was always rebellious. And then as I got a certain age, I'm already defensive because of what my dad did. So you can't tell me, but I had to take myself step back. She's not trying to hurt you wrong. And, yeah, she, she, just you wrong. Rome, you wrong. Yeah.

So it wasn't no, oh, that's my daughter. I'm going to take her side. Right. Because it was, and honestly, like, I think, because the co-parenting itself, it got, it was, it wasn't bad, but it got great after a while. It didn't just happen overnight. Right.

It really started happening when I took my feelings out of it. Like I stated in the past, like when that, when that, that narrative, oh, I don't want this this, I don't want this, I don't want that. I allowed it to happen, though. Because when I decided to hurt that woman or not want to be with that woman, that opens up the door that she can have whoever the fuck she want to have around that child. Yeah. So the logical part that I went with was, okay.

Just long as they ain't trying to hurt my kid, I'm okay. and I respect my child mom enough and I trust him enough and even now all of them to not allow that to happen. I want to ask you something wrong because you said what you wanted growing up with the two-parent household. And a lot of people would say how can somebody with that mindset end up with five baby mothers? Because it's impossible to give those kids what you wanted growing up.

So why would you create the same type of environment? So let me elaborate and piggyback. So I never really, that two-prone household now is new. I never really cared for a two-pronged household. I just wanted my mother. Gotcha. So, mind you, I was fine with going with my dad on the weekends, going back to my mother.

Until that last weekend, I can get to go back to my mom. So the two-prime household dynamic come from, like I said, shows and stuff like that and reality, and the stigma that's society put on you always supposed to be like this. when two-pun household produced some of the most fucked up as people in the world. But you are not a fucked-up person.

You're a brother with high emotional intelligence, so clearly I know you wanted to be better than your pot. Yeah, correct. And like I said, I made, I made decisions, a lot of decisions I made was out of vulnerability. A lot of decisions I made was out of hurt, you know, and I'm not ashamed to say that. People are like, oh, oh, whatever, that's me.

Can I ask you, and you just tell me if you agree that I feel like you were looking for maybe your mom in these women and that's why you know because you were lost out at a very young age and that nurturing and that um you know all that nurturing and affection stopped at a very early age and you went from that household that's all you knew love and positivity and just you know all that to a very different type of household you know it wasn't much affection it wasn't nurturing and I feel like that actually shaped how you look at women in relationships.

Yeah, like it affected your love life in a way. Do you agree with that? We're going to be very transparent. Yeah. I never looked for women. I never looked for my mother in women. I did look for the love and affection.

Right? Why I never looked in, why I never looked for my mother and women because I'm put on tape, my mother wasn't a saint. Mother did shit. Like, you know like

but who she was to you but who she was to me was she was great but it was like once she left it was just that affection that love that holding a person because I used to hold my mom

every night she put me out every night I used to hold her it really didn't affect me until I got older and started dealing with women because when I'm going through school I'm always busy

maybe that's why I didn't affect me I'm grades baseball basketball I really had no downtime to really think I know my mom, and at the, like, probably like 13, I'm, you know, I'm washing cars. That's what, that's, and my mother love cars, so that's where I get that from. So it was like, I don't think that it, I never really say, oh, I want my mother and this woman,

because my mother ain't know how to cook. My mother cleaned up, but. You know, you have five baby moms, right? And, of course, Jess had relationships before she recently got married. How did you co-parent in that situation, right? Because asking to be at his house. He has women there You know

Or you know Just might have a guy Like how did y'all Crazy how you just cut that man I was talking about his mom No because I'm like that No it's gonna come back no Okay

So I can see where you're going at Go ahead So I'm asking So how did you deal with that Because that's what you see With your life Mm-hmm So how did I see with my son there

With her and her man Like how do we co-parent Like how did you You know So we're speaking on this We're speaking on the husband Now not no Before the husband

Before the husband That's totally different. My relationships and Ash would be home with me, but then he come over to you. Yeah, like how was the co-parenting relationship between you and I when that was going on? Schedule. You had girlfriends. And I ain't going to hold you. I took my feelings out of it. A couple men that one, two, one and a half. You literally only liked one and a half. I ain't liked the other one, but. And you didn't like him first. No, I didn't. But we're going, yeah, yeah, one and a half because this. Why the half?

Because the half of her, I didn't really care for him, but he loved her. So he loved my son. So like I said, it's times where Rome just take him to the house when they, them two was, you know, in one household. And I would drop them off. No problems or none of that. So that was it. That was the only transaction for us that. Really wasn't as high or buy, whatever, nothing.

I ain't really cared for him because of what he was saying to the other women who was coming to me. If that makes sense. I'm confused. We got to break it down. Okay. So he wasn't a sane in this, in that really shit neither. Okay.

And we didn't came across a couple of the same women. I ain't disclosing anything, but... Did you ever tell just that? No. No, that's not my business. She figured that shit out of the wrong. That was not your business.

It was not... With your son there. That's my son. But they wasn't in the household. He was doing what he did on his free time. Wow. When he was doing my... How I know that because...

My son was with me, majority of the time when he's doing it on his free time. Well, a cheater would support a cheater anyway. I'm not supporting a cheater. You chose him, and that's on you. I didn't know he was cheating. Well, I didn't either.

I didn't even. But it wasn't no problem. That's after the... Real quick. Yeah, you said it was no problem, so you answered this question. But he was saying earlier, when I came in, Envy was asking you, did I ever use, like, anything against you? Like, as far as your mom asking?

No. So I think it's more comfortable I have not done that It was more comfortable with talking to her about it Because she never used it against me Got you But of course, you know, I deal with that every day I think the worst that my child mom has said to me

Was kill yourself and lay next to your mother Wow That's beyond porn But then call me an action for a hot shot the next day Mm-hmm And I did it Hmm. Have you ever gone to, like, a therapist or somebody to talk about, like, the clearer mother wound that you have?

You know what the mother wound. Yeah, I talked to the, I actually was consistent until I felt like I ain't, I'm sorry, I never needed no more, but it was consistent. It was consistent with the therapist that you gave to me a couple of years ago. Okay. I was using him, and it just was over the phone. I don't really need the face-to-face. It just be just listening, you listen to me, and then you give me everything you can to just. help me. Like so did that therapist? Yeah. So that's why I always even if sometimes I might text

you like peace and blessings king because I got that from you to peace and blessings part. But yeah, I did. And why do you feel like you can't go in person? I ain't I ain't saying I can't. I just I ain't saying I can't. I just saying that it's it probably is but it's just like I don't feel like I would need to to go in person. Like even now we in the world now where everything is virtual and a lot of are virtual and stuff like that. But sometimes that's not the best because there's that human connection. You can't get that through a screen all the time. You know what I mean?

The atmosphere is different in an actual therapist's office. Now, if you need to, if you want to roll on a go all the time, I do understand that. But I think that you would truly benefit from in person, that whole atmosphere, like a different atmosphere, a different environment where you can feel safe enough to open up about things. Because it's things that you probably haven't even confronted. You know, you never know, like, the trauma a lot. It could be other traumas that stemmed from, you know, before Keisha, before your mind passed.

You know, it could be things that you didn't deal with or, you know, you don't know about until it's activated. So the trauma is like activating. You got to face it. You know what I mean? I never had the language to explain you and Jess's energy. But I feel like I have it now. Like when I see Jess with you, she's literally trying to heal that mother.

not by trying to be your mother in anyway but I the way she talks to you to the concern she has for you I'm sure that the deep conversations y'all have I constantly see her trying to put neosporin and you know all of the things that help treat that mother wound that exists in you and it makes sense when you're telling me that you've had other baby mothers who poured salt yeah they use it against you yeah she just keep me me mellow if y'all know this might I'm more relaxed I'm always on to up it because I'm all always in defense mode. It's like I'm always trying to prove myself.

And that's why a lot of times you stress yourself out. But how did it affect you when she got married, right? Because they said it was boundaries. And the reason I asked is if I'm marrying somebody, I know y'all might have a relationship, and I know y'all might be tight. But you kind of got to find your own person to lean on because that's mine.

You know what I mean? That's my wife now. You know what I mean? But y'all was so tight for so long. How did those new boundaries affect co-parenting and your relationship. Yeah, because somebody had to build the wall. It ain't effect nothing.

Shut the fuck up, man. Hold on. You know what? Guess what? It wasn't a wall built. I'm a man. So when she leaked and, in my mind you, I knew step by step.

But, and it wasn't even over on, I want you to meet Chris. It's just a genuine, and it wasn't a wall. I'm a man, I always, her respect. How did I deal with not being around or more or talking to it? It's almost like you're losing your best friend.

But I never thought about that because you're selfish if you don't want your best friend or you're a person that you love to be happy. So if this is what makes her happy, okay, I got one child mom that's happy. One found to Russell Wilson. Thank you. Is what you used to say? Don't go get me your future. I'm like, yo.

Yeah. You wanted her to get somebody better? I want her to get a Russell Wilson. Let me ask you. That's a good segue into this. What's one thing just, I don't want to say exposed, but said about you in the book that made you say, damn, I didn't realize I was that toxic.

Definitely think about it. The baby, my son first birthday. That's one. A lot of them. when she stated that sounds like I did it I don't remember that part though but she said

I brought the girl in the birthday party her friends made the girl leave or whatever case may be you brought your new chick to your son I just ask you I want to be clear I'm gonna explain all that

okay listen I'm explain all that she was fine yeah she was fine look at you hey what are you doing could not get up in ball you can yell at me but they're going to You're right.

Listen. She was cute, yeah. At that time, toxic wasn't thrown around. So I ain't looking at it as toxic thing. It's why, oh,

we just got my way. So that sun shit, if you're saying how that made me feel, I said, uh, I'm gonna bring this bad tinks. I'll bring this bad tints in behind. And my,

the crazy part is, I didn't even tell a DJ to play that song. I think my brother or something. What song was played? It was, it was your goddy. Yeah, but I'm telling you the song. Yes, you did. Oh, yeah.

No, I don't think I did have to think my brother. I ain't not at the time because I came late on purpose because I wanted to make a grand grand interest. Yes. At this time, action one, I'm only 20. I'm just imagine. So the song was, A, homie was wrong with you. That bitch don't belong to you. Yes, CM5 or CM4.

One of them cocaine music project. Damn. CM3 or CM4. She threw my shit off the window. I mean, I think I told you all that before. Did I see her out the window? But you walk in a party. Late.

We were supposed to show up together. We're in all white. With our son. It looks bad. Yeah. She forgot to leave out the book that she inserted herself and me and my son pictures. What are you talking about? When we took baby pictures, me and him.

I inserted myself. Yeah, you weren't supposed to be with us. Damn. Wow. That's how I knew that it was and it was over. Because when I scheduled for them pitches, Uh-huh. Uh, yeah, me and I wasn't together.

Well, I was trying to force the relationship wrong. I really, really wanted to give my son, give our son that family dynamic. Like, I tell the truth about it. I take accountability. Like, I was really trying to force that thing. Oh, you don't want to really hurt me. I want to know what happened with the girl. You don't want to really hurt me because.

Exactly. See, because he goes, because hell want to admit, like, he's talking about hell remember, and it didn't happen like that. Shorty came. Listen, and this was the time when love. hip-hop was hot. He thought he was Stevie J. He thought he had walked in with Jocelyn Hernandez and sure he was standing in. No, I never were walking

with a woman who's illiterate. Damn, no, I'm not. Take that right. Oh, my God, because that is my friend and not play with her like that. Let me take that back. That's my girl. Let me take that back. That's not what I meant to say. He seems you should fight you, but go ahead, just. Go ahead. Oh, my God. So, yeah, he walks in

with the girl. You can obviously see she don't really know, she know where she had, but she didn't really like understand it until she got in there, like, oh, wow. She didn't even speak English. This is his kid Whatever

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Like, my friends are like, yo, let's get this bitch out of here, you know. Instantly, my father grabbed him, like, come on, come on, let me talk to you. Let me talk to you. And he had told my father, yo, Mr. Kevin, she told me that Ashton wasn't mine. And so my father understood, like, wow, okay, you don't do this, but damn, I do get it. I don't know why she would tell you that. So it was, that was his reaction to me saying that, but it was like, yo, you can't look at this little boy and say that he's not yours.

Obviously, I was trying to press the button. I shouldn't have said it. I apologize for it. And I encourage women to never do that. You know what I mean? But I encourage men to never show up to a baby shower or a first birthday party with a whole never girl

unless you with that girl and you're not with your baby mom. How can you control? Trying to hurt you because you hurt. How can you control how somebody react to what you did to them? You are so right. You could have got that girl's ass. Like, real, what?

She didn't even speak English. And she was bad, too. You can tell she didn't even know what was going on. You paid for her to come or that was your girl. Man, I ain't paying for nothing. That wasn't this girl. How can you say her after that? Why she didn't speak English, though?

So both of y'all got a thing for Latino. Oh, my God. Latino people. I don't know where he got her from, whatever, but, like, that was a big statement. That was a big statement on his end. You know, and it referenced some feathers of the guests in the party. I always been a troll, right? because, yeah, I always been a troll

because it was going to hurt her more if I did it publicly like that opposed to her telling me what my son silently because you told me silently but it hurt me big. So you, okay, all right, I set that up too. I said it, I set it a real nice home run. But looking back, I wish I wouldn't have did it because I never meant to humiliate.

her but this is the thing that I tell people all the time it's so easy to cope her when you keep your family and your friends out of shit I've never had that problem on my end my people and not saying I control them my people are in compliance you overstep that boundary you cut off I ain't married but that's how I carry things because we said last time when I was here you can say what you want about this person I'm still going to be with him sometimes that messes up relationships because you can still love this person and be with this person, but yet you don't want to be around this person family because you know that they don't like you. I can't sit and fake. I love you. But if I don't want to be around your family, I'm not going. So that means no functions.

I don't want them at none of our functions. So where does that leave? You had to make a decision. But where? You got to choose and don't choose me. But where is the compromise though? Because if you love that person, then you would. You love that person. The compromising is I'm compromising for you. But that family don't want that family ain't compromising. They're not compromise it for the person that they love. But it's not for them to do it. But guess what? The ultimate goal is.

You will go to this wedding or you will go to this cookout, you know. No, I feel like that's fake. And you did? That's fake. You can't relate because we never had that. No. We've never been in that situation, evil. No, we haven't.

We haven't. But I've been in situations like that. But so you can't relate to me because me and you haven't been in that relationship, that type of environment. because it was always more of a family narrative. So even when we was beefing in those times, like we still was a family. Like, I didn't really just push you to the curve

because we still was a family. I think a lot of this is going to get conflated when people are watching it only because a lot of this ain't you and just as you and your other baby mothers. Correct, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And the co-parenting part about that is it's times I don't even talk to them.

I said, tell her how to go talk to him. Right. Your other baby mama? What? Wow. Right. Man, Jessica had helped me get her of child support. I mean, I went back home, but she helped me get off child support.

I tell her. What I tell her? I say, bitch, fuck you. I don't want to talk to you. And walked off. Yeah. Here she go. No room.

No room. No room. I'm like, I don't want to talk to her. She didn't want to talk. It's okay. Let it go. But, you know, it was, you know, it's a beneficial right. And I think, man, I ain't old you.

If more men had child mom like this one, I think the world would be better. because when you're not together that's the biggest problem when you're not together everybody want to be just controlling or bitter why if you really love that child

you would the best interest the best interest is not just for the father to just pay for shit the best interest is for the father to be around the child allow that man to love his kid allow that man to take care his kid one of the biggest things I don't like today

is people calling Dad's weekend dad Jessica Marva helped me understand that okay if the child lived with his mom money to Friday and you work in Monday Friday and you get them Saturday and Sunday, which my mom did that with me and my dad, that's your time. You're a dad. You're a dad.

Like, this weekend dad, this dawn, a week, dad. Okay, you want, then here's a contradiction. Here, weekend dad, but yet, you want full custody, or you want the full time, or you want the benefits of being a full-time mom. Okay, so if you want the benefits of being a full-time mom, we'll take on the benefits of being a full-time mom. It just makes no sense to me, like, how? Oh, I never get my kid up

But yet, you complain about the dad getting a child Friday through Sunday or Monday? You're picking a child out from school or daycare Friday And if you want to be technically honest The dad spend more time with the child On Saturday and Sunday because the child's are in school Going a week with daycare

And by time you get off work and get them from school day, what you do? You get them ready for the next day Where the dad's on a Friday night We can have fun. They can be on the phone all night, be on the iPad, go to sleep whenever Saturday we go to the mall we go shop we go wherever you want Sunday we probably relax or not or we do we do then Monday is back to business

so it's like I just don't I don't get all of that man it's just so much man I feel like the dad is just far as we go through hell and hot water Jess what did you mean when you said and I saw you say this on tamron and of course I read in the book when you talk about having the deep program and reprogram and reprogram ashton after spending weekend we're wrong yeah so when he goes to Rome house because we have we have yeah we had two different co-parenting vibes right two different co-parenting styles

I am the Rome is the lenient parent I'm strict I have rules I have structure I'm not saying there's no structure but there is definitely a lot more rules in discipline in my house

on the week there's no rules on the weekend I'm sorry On the weekend, yeah. So, you know, he kind of lets, you know, ask just be and just do whatever. He wants to let him stay up all night, you know, just talk on the phone on night. He's on the internet all day.

I don't really like that. So when he comes back home with me, he's on the phone. He's nonchalant. I'm asking him to do something. I got to tell him more than once. And I'm like, okay, you were just there for three days. You got to get it together because the things that you do at dad's house, you can't do here.

You know what I mean? Like when you get. up and get out of, when you get up and get out of your bed, make it up. You got your own bathroom, got your own balcony, you got a big space in this house. You need to clean it up. You know what I mean? Like, I just make him do certain things. And that's the D-programming and reprogram having to remind him where he at and which house he in. I just think that's just mom and dad. Right. And it's good as a healthy balance. A child is going to do, a child is going to do what they do with their mom. And they're going to do.

do what they do with their dad. But fathers, not you, Jessica, so I'm speaking in general when I'm saying this, but as far as, we always, if you go with your mom, you need to do this, respect your mother. I tell my son,

Christian, have to take that trash out. You ought to, and I don't even have to text help when it comes to him. Me and him did the program to brief about what Ashton E's the best things for him. If we need mom,

then she comes in. Other than that, she stayed ass out of our business. And that's that. but like it's never right loads man the weekends it's fun man like i i understand as a child man you're going to school my son got my son got a 4.2 that's hard maintain in the life he living 4.2 like my son has never made honor roll it's principal's honor roll principles list yeah the principal's list yeah and get it on it's you know his dad is you know the man that is

i graduated salutatorian eighth grade at the 99 average top 10% at Dunbar high school at ranking number seven, and I graduated with 3.5 from college. It's stished stone. Okay. Talk that talk, wrong. It's stished and stone that my son gets his brains. Not saying this mother, not smart. Right, because I graduated with a 3.9 from a college preparatory school in Dallas, town, Pennsylvania

plays me. Talk that talk, Jess. You know what I'm saying? Don't play with me. I rank number seven. Top 10% only people that beat me was all nerds. What was the most difficult thing when it came to ask? What was the one thing that your guys kept bumping heads all? Y'all, and agree on when it came to co-parenting.

I want to go first. When he was younger, you wouldn't send back the clothes that I bought when I was sent him with you. And you would go on Instagram, you were posted like, yeah, got my son fresh. I never took your clothes. I bought it. What do you mean?

I never took your clothes. I always had his own wardrobe with me. Wrong. That was when he got a little older. No. That's what we mainly bump heads about. I'm like, yo, send back the bag. Are you talking before three?

Yes. Send back the bag. I said earlier, send back the bag that I sent. I'll be rushing. Now, I'll be rushing. You kept the clothes. I washed them, fold them, or put them in the cleanest. Okay, Kailani, but I'm saying it's still my stuff that you got.

It's not your stuff. It's not your stuff. It's his stuff. And you didn't send a bag every week because if I kept something that you sent, you ain't need to send it the following week. And then another thing. How many times, excuse me, ho, ho, ho. How many times every pair of teners I bought them, I bought them,

two pair, one for you and one for me. Okay. I mean, how many Gucci belts you don't lost? Well, why are you buying a kid? How many, like designer stuff that young

and they grow out of it? I don't care. I would. That's just been me. Okay. I'm sorry. That was my mother logic. I felt like that logic was a great logic.

Okay, yep, that's how you grew up. Yep, he would always, he was in designer at a very young age. That's not my experience. And they say, oh, this is a $500 a damn fast for you to be spending on. Oh, well. Yeah, and I was hating a little bit, but so what?

Like, no, like. How you maddy got your kid designing? I mean, because I was out here and CJ Max. But that's you. You. You're moving different. That either one of you have a reflection that made you see a situation differently not at your old. You go first?

Well, I feel like, I feel like I've been seeing things different for a while since Ash was like five. You know what I mean? I feel like once we got past our feelings, I always saw you in a different light. Like I always was like, okay, this will be, this is going to be my friend. I feel like nobody else got this young man any help. Nobody ever, you know, tried to guide him, you know,

properly even when you came into like your big settlement, you was getting money, he was out here, you feel me? I feel like nobody was trying to help you in any way, you know, heal from your. I'm not sure to finish, but I want to speak on that because that's a big part in, the woman niz and stuff like that too. Yeah. You know, so yeah, that's how I thought.

I've always was able to give grace and see, and see the bigger picture. Like, yeah, this is my friend. And I honestly feel going back to the question that Sholomey asked you when I first walked in, if we didn't have Ashton, I know we would not be together because that wasn't our story, but we would be friends. You know, we would be best friends still, you know.

So I do feel that way. But yeah, I've always been reflecting. What were you going to say? I agree on that. I do. Your mother hold all my stuff. It always goes back to my mom. What's the good that I've done?

You know what I'm just saying? Your mother plays a big part. I just wish more women have mothers like you. What Roman is saying is true because it's always, it can always be a mother putting a negative battery in a woman's back. Absolutely. Or she just ain't cared for the child. You act just like your mother.

Yeah. But Jess is seem like she feel like you give a lot of profits and kudos to her mom. But none of her. I give kudos to both. But as children, we're speaking, we're speaking right now. We're speaking on then.

We was kids. I didn't have that. I didn't have nobody to show me or teach me how to be a father. And ain't no rule, but I got to figure that shit on my own. You know how I feel to go to college and you got your son of your left hand

and you got to do work? No, I don't know what that feeling. Yeah, that's why I bought Ashton an iPad at that young age and beats. Don't nobody know the heart. hard work that I put in. Yeah, you did. And then for the other children, I do the same.

So like I said, when you let a father be a father, you're going to see the finishing product of it. Like, I shouldn't have to fight my child my child, and take care of my kid. I helped you make them right or her, right? Yeah. Why is it you, oh, you shut the fuck up when, oh, here, here, here, here, here, here.

No. Because, you know, like I know, I just had my boys at the market the other day. We was having a moving night. was on the car I took you know I'm a big kid especially when I'm bringing the babies around me man my nx kid come out I'm on a car I roll from the top with a mark of that all way down on the car with bricicestered and prosper boys had the best time made life there's little things like that go my money can't buy that yeah so it'd be like damn if you do damn if you don't

he's talking about his other baby mothers right yeah absolutely I'm talking about my father's period yeah but you're talking about like the two young babies that you had so I don't I call Jessica my baby mother. That's my sister. So, you know, we, you know, we clear on that. I don't know how I feel about that. Like, the world, no, when I'm talking, I ain't talking about her. She's excluded.

She's actually, yeah, she's excluded. But I can start saying Jessica had a baby from her brother. Yeah. No, please. No, please. What? No, no. No.

You're not saying. No. No. But you was about to say something about the settlement. You was like, oh, you'll get back. Yeah, so the settlement, honestly, man, the settlement, the settlement really. Nobody taught you to invest or any of that. Investing.

I'm a hurt young man. And I already got aura. I got a little style. Nice teeth. I ain't body his teeth. So, you know, whatever the case may be. When that money came, oh, I can get women to do whatever the fuck I want them to do. But why was that the goal?

That was the goal because it made me feel better. It blocked all the pain and hurt that I had. The mother wound. It blocked all that out. So, you know, at that time, we talked about that. And I didn't know. and had to sit down and really, you know, wait.

Oh, you want to, okay, okay, cool. But looking back at, yeah, I fucked up. That wasn't a way to go. Because all you doing is creating something that cost, and it's going to cost you over time, and you've got to maintain to be able to forward that cost. If not, where they're going out the door. Yeah.

So I created a problem for myself, and that's where I went to press that a long time ago as well. trying to maintain a lifestyle that I really couldn't keep up with because of I had more children. I love that yourself aware of it, though, because a lot of people have the mother wound and don't even know that they're turning to external things to self-soot, like the alcohol, the sex with the other women.

They don't even realize I'm only doing this because I'm actually... And there's no disrespect to my lady now, but, like, no disrespect to my child. Oh, mom. Everyone was fucking. But it was a time, I went on a rampage. I felt like one of them athlete-type nags. And it's not, I'm not, it's not good.

I'm not ashamed of it. I'm not glorifying it. But that shit, it just, I don't know if other men feel like that. But it was a different woman every day for probably two months. Didn't care about them, know their names, didn't nothing. Sometimes you got to let a legend be a little. And it's like because like, well, like people don't understand. People, they judge you so much, but people don't understand.

So, like I said, man. And I do feel like he has a lot. Well, I'm going to talk to you. I do feel like you have issues with your other co-parents, the other moms of your children because y'all never got past all the hurt that y'all, that, you know, that they had endured in a relationship. You're never got past. No y'all.

You all never sat down. Okay, so they never sat down with you. Yes, we, you and I did sit down after the fact. Well, yes, yes, yes. We had already been co-printed. No, ho, ho, ho. Don't put on you on them. No.

I'm over everything over them. Okay. They don't want to. And honestly, I can't figure it out, and I'm done trying to figure it out. That's why I lost hair. I'm done. But no. No, I'm one for five.

I'm good. No, I understand, but I was just saying that's why it's not. a healthy co-parenting team there because y'all didn't get through the issues. Y'all never really sat down and had those uncomfortable conversations and got the closure on the relationship side to move forward on the co-parenting side that y'all never did what we did. You know what I mean? We were already past each other once we sat down and talked, but y'all were always just bickering every relationship after, you know, you and I when you had a kid, it was just a bunch of bickering.

And now that you're here saying that, yes, I was hurt. I was hurt, I was hurt. They didn't understand that. They didn't understand that, you know? And you got bitter baby moms. Like I say in the book, it's okay to be bitter, just don't stay there. But you kept them there because you kept going back dealing with this one, that you deal with that one, you never close the door with this one,

and that you're dealing with this one, this one got to be. Why did I keep going back and going back? Because it was convenient for you. Why did I keep going back and going back was because that was the only way that I can get my child. I went back three times to two different women. I do remember. Why? Because that was the only way that they would be out of their feelings

and I can see my child. I do remember that. And I'm going to speak on my last child mom. We will never be like you, but we're moving in that direction. Shal and we talked about it earlier. You said, why did you move back from South Carolina? And I stated at that time, man, my last child mom, we wasn't seeing out of eye, we wasn't talking.

I couldn't even FaceTime them then. it wasn't until I brought the kids back up here for school before it hit me. That, damn, I'm just down here by myself. I don't know how to function without just going to work might get some free time to myself and get my kids. I don't know how to function like that.

So I try to do everything I could with them for them to one and a half months before they went to school. But Prosper, I wasn't talking to Prosper. I couldn't see Prosper. I couldn't FaceTime. So I'm back in my mind, I'm like, damn. He's a baby.

Is he? Did he even know me? It's crazy you said that. Do you even know me like, dang? I don't know. And that hurt it. So, you know, my uncle, tough love. And I'm glad that I had my uncle around.

He's like, man, suck that shit up. You'll be all right. So that kept going. My son and mom get diagnosed with breast cancer. Sat on it for like two weeks if I was wanting to move back or not because I felt like. And she said no. She had moved on. She had a friend or whatever the case may be.

But I wasn't moving back for that. I was moving back because I wanted to be closer. for my son and I felt like she needed me more to be there physically for my son because of the transition that was about to have. Because imagine what she's going through. And that transition is long, chemo, radiation. Yes, all of that. And she decided to take that route instead of going.

I know some people that went to, what's the natural? Holistic route. So I moved back. And Prosper was a baby. He was young. So that was a lot of pressure on her. You know what I mean? So, yeah, although she has family, they're not always there for her.

She has to do a lot by herself too. you know she has another kid as well and then they say when you know when she explained that to me when you're going to do that you need as much support as you can yes so no i didn't think oh no i'm gonna be with this woman no i said this woman need me yes you do have another child as well but i said and um i moved back uh got to see my son and that was history and now we like i said so i i'm saying i don't have another co-penter with all but my last one and they're the twins National prostate, they look just alike. Yeah, so I got a co-parenting with her.

And, yeah, but I feel like if she didn't, which wasn't diagnosed, I might have not moved back so fast. But, yeah, that was one thing. And I'm dealing with that now. Of course, you know, I was heard about that because I projected my, once again, I projected another, my trauma on my son as well. I'm like, man, I don't want baby to be without his mother. That's all I'm thinking about.

Like, I don't want that phone call and I'm not there. Got you. Right. That's what I wanted you to say. I didn't want him to lose his mom. Yeah, but she's healthy now. She's in a gym. She's fit.

She's high spirit. Still chasing her dreams. But, yeah. Presby's up. You know, you're about to turn four, June. Yeah, but it's two for five. I mean to keep saying one, it's two for five. Yeah, I do see it being five for five with, with like,

this book no seriously is the space that you're in right now I understand but I do see it being that way I can see it then hold I'm cutting you off no props for three yeah the other ones is so young no proxed three and it happened

the other ones is nine 10 seven no I'm not going to hit each other forever trust me it's not going to happen check this out I just want to take care of my kids

I don't care if you hate me and you don't I got you. Hey, everybody ain't going to be like you. Everybody ain't coming to save me. Everybody don't care about if I'm happy or not. Because when I'm happy, everybody around me happy. So I get it. I don't think like that no more because that shit burns me up and eats me up.

It's nights where, you know, whatever the case may be. But no, I take my first and last and I'm good with that. And when I'm other ones start to be mature, oh here, take your kid. don't just yeah I get what both of you all saying I get what Jess is saying I get what you were saying

Jess is like you know this book should show you that healing is possible because y'all weren't always in the best but we ain't never been like this

yeah I ain't never not seen my kid for this long I don't give a fuck about not having a relationship with the woman I don't give you my kid

yeah give you my kid that's all I got but if you take if you're using that against me obviously it's something in you that ain't right you're a fucked up person

right but at one at some point, y'all loved each other. It's in a past. Yeah, I know. It still existed, you know, so if you can, if you, not, I'm not saying get back to that place, but at one point, if there was a point where you did love a person, then you can actually see the good in them, you know what I mean, to try to start to mend that. And that, that just starts with confronting the things that eat you up about that person.

That's all it is. It's just an uncomfortable conversation. But I ain't going to get you route up no more. There is one thing before we end. It is one thing. I know. I ain't even, you know. No, because no, because this is a topic that now the world is talking about it. Yeah.

I want to talk about it before. But, you know. I mean, we've been doing this since the pandemic. The funny part about it is because even right now I'm talking and I'm going through the shit. Like, yeah. I moved back a year and a half ago. Seeing my nine-year-old daughter twice. When I came back twice, a mother tech called me.

That was probably 11 o'clock, three, four, nine. last week a night fuck you call him this leaf for I missed it because I was sleeping next morning what up oh I'm ready to have a conversation about our daughter

are you free I said what would the conversation be about other than her you went missing I didn't I did I own it

so here's a father trying to be a father that's real guess what I said hey she like can I call I'm like Ashton Bryson and Brice

in the prospect of sleep talk to you tomorrow. I can meet you tomorrow at I dropped them off to school. And that's it. Did you- April 30th? Went missing again.

Text, A, free, hey. So what's like, but she'll call me a deadbeat. See what I'm going at with it? I'm not bashing her. She's a great mom.

All of them are. But she'll call me a, yeah, all of them are. I never take that. I got a nice line up full of great moms. So with it without me,

I think my kids, you know besides the trauma but whatever kidding you. They've been taken care of well. Yeah. But you see the type of things that fathers that actually care. I know some niggas that just don't give a fuck.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Hey, I'm free. Want to meet up? Bro, blah, bro. Go missing again. Yeah. What I want to know is why

I haven't just sent her a copy of the book? They just came out of the other day. I'm going to get four of them. I know. I'm going to send four. I know, I'm going to send four of them out. I'm going to be honest, bro. I don't think.

You can read? No. Oh, my God. What do you mean? I don't think they'll read it. You don't think they'll read. Yeah. Two of them probably won't.

Two, three might won't. Yeah. Prasama. I've already read the whole book. Amazing. Thank you. She read it. She was in court.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Whole thing. But that's good. That's the one that you're on good terms with. Yeah. Like that.

Yep. And it's like, it's like, it's one of those things, man. for men I'm protecting my mental it is what it is it ain't what it ain't I'm a control if I can't control

I only control what you can control that's my logic it is what it is and when you and when you go by that on a man or your peace part things will be it just come to you it'd be easy so like I said

if it happens it happens but I'm not expecting it to because if it don't I won't be hurt again I look so forward to death do we pay parent two Yeah

that you're writing And honestly That's what it is Hopefully I ain't gonna say I don't about I steal my shit Nobody's still

I ain't patting it yet Okay But you have to be parent Two Part two It'll be part two Two T OU

Yeah No It's two It's two You have to be parent Part two Let a father Be a father

Yeah I love it And I love you too Yo Are you more I really do You will be hard Well the book is out

right now Make sure you get it. Yeah, man. Slew to my guy, Rome. Sending Rome healing energy all the time, man. Hey, fellas, protect your peace, man. All right. It's the breakfast club.

It's big Rome. Yeah, not the little one. And just, God, damn. You're always here. Sometimes, sometimes. Shut up, no, that was great. Yeah. Yo, what?

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