The Breakfast Club - DeSean Jackson: Bigger Than the Game

Episode Date: October 8, 2026

Loren LoRosa kicks off Delaware State University’s homecoming with a conversation that goes deeper than football. Joined by DeSean Jackson, his brother Byron Jackson, and educator Carlos Carter, she explores the family story behind Go Deep, the father whose belief helped shape DeSean’s NFL dreams, and his next chapter coaching at DSU. From brotherhood and loss to purpose and giving back, it’s a conversation about building a legacy—and bringing others with you.YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BreakfastClubPower1051FMSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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room. I told you guys that it is homecoming season, Delaware State University. Our homecoming is this upcoming weekend. Actually, it starts Friday, October 9th, which is tomorrow. Our big homecoming football game is Saturday, October 10th. So that's the day where everybody will be out on the Greek plots and, you know, supporting a football game and the homecoming court and just all the things. It is such a festive season.

It's the welcome home and return home season. But it's like a family reunion. I kicked off my homecoming season a bit different this year. Now, I would have pregame. Okay, we're going to get to all that. But I kicked it off in conversation with the Sean Jackson and his brother, Byron Jackson, for his that he has available right now on Amazon Prime. called Go Deep.

It's the story of his life, his career, his journey, Deshawn Jackson, from being a kid, six years old, playing football, you know, and trying to figure things out with the help of his dad and his brother to becoming one of the best-known, widely known, greatest Philadelphia Eagles of all time and, you know, dominating on other football teams as well, too. But it's really a story about family, about a black father and his fight to really, really,

in short of his family understood the greatness that he saw in them, even though he wasn't perfect and kind of what that dynamic created and some of the family ups and downs of the experience. So I got a chance to be in conversation with them at the Biggs Museum of American Art down in Dover, Delaware, to kick off the Delaware State University Homecoming. For those of you guys who may not know, Deshaun Jackson decided about a year or so ago to come to Delaware State University and be our head football coach after he had decided to retire from football. So, you know, it's been such a journey and an amazing journey to watch him, you know, matriculate through that. But also to watch the transformation that is going down on Delaware State University, my HBCU's campus.

You know, when you put more eyes on the school and you get some support behind the school, there are amazing things and resources that become available. And our black students need it. So I'm all here for it. Let's get into the conversation right now. Now, important to mention when I talk about transformation at HBCU, Delaware State University is currently. Currently, under a huge transformation campaign, and it's bigger than just football, is bigger than just athletics. It's about ensuring that all of our students across these HBCUs have the proper resources and facilities they need to achieve greatness in all pursuits, whether it's academic, athletic, whatever the case may be. So currently, Delaware State University is raising money because they want to build.

They are going to build. They said by fall 2028, Deshaun Jackson will be coaching in a new stadium. They call it alumni stadium. Their current fundraising goal is $10 million. Now, currently, Delaware State University needs $5 million more dollars to help complete a $55 million stadium and fieldhouse redesign. Now, that's important for the students, for the athletes, and even for them getting their proper support when it comes to athletics

because the facility matters, the workout systems, the rehabilitation, all of that stuff matters. And for a lot of students, athletics is their life in college, and it's the way that they are literally changing their family's lives. so we want to support that. $2.5 million is for the health and science scholarships that they will be giving out under this $10 million campaign, and $2.5 million is local engagement,

particularly in the area around youth sports and things that they want to go out in the community and do on behalf of Delaware State University within youth sports. Now, if you guys are alumni, I am challenging you to give. The stadium is literally called Alumni Stadium. And last night, I talked to the president of Delaware, University, Dr. Tony Allen, who told me, currently there's only one alumni who's donated, and it's called Alumni Stadium.

Now, I know I got a lot of Delaware State University Hornets that tune in that are my lowriders. We got to take over this campaign, y'all. As much as you can, as little as you can, every number counts. You can go to d-esu.edu to figure out a way to give. And after this conversation, I think you'll understand why investing in a student, even if it's one student at a time, really, really matters. And they come back, they give back, and they continue to change lives. Let's get into the combo.

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I am excited to welcome you to go deep, give back. Tonight will be more than just about football, more than just a film. It is about what we come from, the people who shape us, and what it means. to use our experiences to create opportunities for generations to come. That feels especially meaningful right now at Delaware State University. There's a lot of momentum around Delaware State athletics,

including the athletic transformation campaign and the work being done to invest in our student athletes, our facilities, and the future of our programs. As students, we get to experience firsthand what that kind of investment can mean to our university. It creates opportunities, builds pride, and gives us an even more reason to be exciting about where our university is headed.

That momentum also extends beyond our campus. The partnership between Delaware State University and the Big Museum American Art is bringing new arts, cultural, education, and community programming here to the Swart Center. Together, these programs are creating opportunities to connect athletes, music, film, art, education, and culture, while bringing Delaware State University students in the greater Dover community together in new ways. And it matters that this is happening right here in downtown

Dover. As downtown continues to grow and evolve, spaces like the Swartz had the opportunity to bring students, families, artists, athletes, and community members together. Activated as historic theater and creating reasons for people to come downtown are more important than the larger work around downtown Dole. Tonight is a great example about how those different pieces can come together. We'll begin the night by watching around 20 minutes of the scenes from Go Deep, the Deshawn Daxie story. These scenes will give us a look at Coach Jackson's journey through football, family, challenges, and the experiences that have shaped his life beyond the field.

Following the film segment, we'll transition into a panel discussion exploring the stories behind the documentary, its creation, leadership, family, football, and the importance of giving back. We'll then open the conversation to all of you for an audience Q&A. Thank you guys for being here in supported Delaware State University and for being a part of what is happening here at the

Swartz Center in downtown Dover. Now we invite you to enjoy some selected scenes from the Go Deep the Deshawn Jackson story. I'll hopefully you guys a glimpse of not only Deshawn Jackson's career but also the family relationships experiences and the people behind his journalists. Now we have the opportunity to hear from someone of those people and learn more about the stories behind what we just witnessed. First, please welcome coach Deshaun Jackson. That head for football coach here at Delaware State University, John Jackson, there's a personal footage just for this documentary.

And we are also joined by Carlos Carter, an educator and academic advisor who worked alongside Coach Jack and Fibera. the horse leading tonight's conversation is fellow Delawarean Lauren La Rosa. I took some notes. How did y'all talk about it? The conversation. So let's start with the film itself. The Sean and Byron, this documentary comes from years of personal footage and experience 35 years.

Right? Is it 35 years plus now, right? 35 years plus. Yes, okay, over 35 years at this point. At what point did you guys realize that this is more than just a family archive and that it was something that you could out until one week, a fourth I could carry around? Actually, I felt when he got drafted in the second round, I started trying to get it out then. So all along, once he started, like, once he got the cow and started blowing it with a superstar, I knew it was something special.

You know, and I was trying to, when he was at Kyle, I was already talking to people at ESPN. And by the way, I wasn't a Fox Sports for like 23 years. So throughout this journey, I was working in television, first started out in news, at 713 in LA local news station. And I went over to Fox Sports. So the whole time, Deshaun has been around both sides, people around the media and on the football field. So, I mean, I went in this to try to make a documentary.

So the whole time I was trying to be on the extreme. Talk to me a bit about the moment that we see where you take Deshaun to practice the chiefs, right? And for you, it's like 10 years, I'm coming back. This was, you know, once a part of your life, maybe not your dream. But now you're there and you are like passing the gauntlet to your younger brother like emotionally what was that like for you that we maybe didn't get to see Just in the couple minutes of the film that we saw

It was very emotional. I mean going back to the area where I had a lot of Sweat blood tears and a lot of fear when I got to the NFL it was kind of like wow What the heck am I doing here in the NFL so it was kind of overwhelming But to go back here like ten years later it was it was like day just I mean I had to touch myself like I said in the video but it was all on purpose my whole thing was you know Sean a little kid trying to teach him the mindset of a pro so I was like let me take him to actually see some pros you know and I thought it was going to really inspire him and make him humble but it did it made him feel like man I can do this I was like sure get back don't go on the field like before they called him on a field he was already inching his way to the field so I was like stay back

and shout like, no man, I belong out here. So it backfired, but it was backfired for a good reason. He actually felt like he belonged here. I'm curious to know how you guys' relationship approach, how you, I mean, not recorded, because it seems like you recorded everything, but how you chose and selected to tell this first part of the story?

Well, basically, I was a television film made me in college, so I used to read, like study about, filmmaking and one thing, one particular thing that stuck out with me, one of my professors said, you can't just roll on life. I'm like, well, I can't. And I basically did that. I just kept rolling on John's whole life. And as you can see, walking around the camera, I never stopped. So, I mean, I was in, my whole intent was to do a movement from day one. It was just a matter, in my opinion, it was just a matter of time that made a big thing. I love that.

What was it like to see your life reflected back through your brother's perspective? Was there like ever a moment where you had things that happened to you and you're watching it affects you differently, seeing it on screen than it did in real life? I think just overall to be young and in the moment, like I tell people all the time, being a young kid, I just had an inspiration to just be great. It was just a niche that seeing my older brother make it to them. NFL like I think a lot of times someone's like celebrities or people to make it are like unreal like they're not real so for me I feel like to have my brother somebody close to me that I was like man he actually made it it's the motivation for me and inspiration like I was like I potentially like a feeling like all right he's real he made it so that gave me kind of like hope and I only hope it was just like growing up I just always turned on TV I think at that time was like channel tour channel 40 Sunday games just to just just like always beyond and I just, it was something about football. I'm like, that's what I want to do.

So as an early age, I know we got young kids in this room. At an early age, it was nothing you couldn't tell me that I wasn't going to play in the NFL one day. And I think that was my vision and my motivation every step of the way. Now, was it hard? Was it a lot of obstacles? Yes. There was a lot of times in my life where I wanted to stare off and go through other things. And as you can see, if for those of y'all who've seen the whole doctor, I know this was only 20 minutes, but those of y'all who seen it, my dad and my dad, my brothers and my family was on me and they were hard on them and as a young kid I couldn't really understand it as a kid and youth you're probably not going to understand why your parents are on you to

eat and to go to sleep early and to work out and stay away from negative people but oh do you get you know the more you're going to start understanding and I think for me I was like hang all right now I get but it took me to get to my 20s to say like all right now all that stuff that nonsense hard-hitting stuff all the hard-haired I had a little kid, I'm like, now I'm first in the wall. You think that's time for your 20s? I watched the whole lot on the show. I still aren't. I was watching the dog, like, boy, they love him.

They earn. But I think that that's the sentiment of a family structure, especially a black family. We don't give up on each other. And the repeated, repeated, repeated thing that I remember after watching documentary in full, I'm like, wow, you guys dad, like, he knew from the beginning that greatness was in his household, and he didn't care how he had to go out and get it for y'all. He was going to bring it back into the house so that you guys understood that as well too,

which was amazing to see a black father in that perspective as well. Like, you know, um... You've heard the chaos. Now you can see it. Hello! My gosh. Watch all your favorite podcasts from start to finish right inside the free I-Hare radio app.

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I'm Lexi Youanu. We're two best friends, 22 years apart, but so close at heart. And I'm Lisa Di Giulio, the old one, which means we have wildly different references, occasionally different opinions, and at this point in my 50s, I've lived it all. I'm not going to get any of your fighting. That is wild. I learned that about you today. Now in my 30s, being the founder of new shoes, good taste is my business, and I've always got something to say.

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If you don't win, you have no power. It's real. Those are the very people who I always say vote against their own economic interest. and they complained about the very thing they're receiving. It's raw. I knew that the issue of transgender athletes was not going well with a lot of black men. Roland Martin unfiltered. I went off, I said, this is exactly what I'm talking about.

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I think about some of the principles that there's documentary censors on. Desire, dream, vision, belief, power. If each of you had to choose one of those five principles that best describes where you are in life right now. Which one would you choose and why? And I can repeat them. You know, I think I could just pick one. I'm honestly feeling like I think all characteristics of five words you just said like in my daily life.

I hold with him every day. Sometimes I have to even remind myself for what's my purpose? What's my vision? Why am I desired to do this? You know, how do I continuously carry my power, you know, within the youth, with my players with my peers and just having a vision and setting a goal that almost is unrealistic. Like for me I feel like I set goals that are unrealistic so then when I made it and then I accomplished it and it's like wow I did something that's like better than anybody can ever imagine. So I think you know young kids in here like set a goal that I almost think is impossible and then when you make it and when you accomplish it then you got to keep going like you can never be content and I think my dad

that like you said at the early age and I want to speak on to briefly like I think fathers in the black community or they don't get enough credit right and you're not active back in the building that's in the hands yeah I just feel like the stigma is black fathers are not active but they're not present and I think it is it takes a little to raise a young kid and a young man in today's society so I do want to tip my hat off and I do want to credit the fathers that are present that are there that don't get the credit they deserve and I feel like it's a stigma push fathers away, you know, because we are dominant and we are voicing our opinions and you know they want to deal with the mothers because maybe they don't have to deal with that

type of aggression and anger like my dad used to say to coaches that didn't give me the ball or wasn't give me the ball enough, you know, so for me I just like I said I credit that I took my hat off and you know that's why I'm a father and a loving father and a present father. And I don't want to my kids, but to any young man that grow up and then I'm, you know, encounter them on my baby basis. I don't know if I don't have anything I want to add.

Well, when you talk about the principles, is this a story behind the principles? You guys saw the part where my dad was at the beach and he picked up that rock and he asked the guy to touch it. That became the lead to the... I call them principles, but also called him discipline. And the first one is desire. Our dad had a lot of desire for so-ball with sports,

but he didn't get to pursue his passion which was sports he had to work he had to work in the steel mills he had to drive buses but his desire got suppressed so I made that first rock the discipline of desire and with me anything you desire you got to go in the right direction you got to get advice you got to get kind of like tutelage that's one reason why I took the Ashon to Kansas City so he can get to tutelated and get that experience and that guidance and if you don't have guidance and you try to you know rock the system or try to lie cheat your desire goes in the opposite direction you start lying cheating and your dream becomes a nightmare if you're going it the wrong

way so that that that desire kind of that rock kissing up the god was pretty much you started at this place I don't know if you have anything you want to ask for this that's a great question Lori thank you for the leadership for having me thank you for having us. I think we dream enough anymore. You know? The eclipse that you see here as an example were from when the documentary was called

the making up a father's dream. And that father's dream became the dream of his sons. We can easily reference from a historical standpoint, Dr. King had a dream that his dream became all of ours. And so in my opinion, we don't dream enough anymore. And so we want to urge folks to engage in dreaming because your dreams, as a result of these young men, had actually felt true.

So dream would be my selection. Well, speaking of dreams, I know you guys have a sports rhythms academy. And the curriculum there, it asked young people to create an individualized dream plan and turn aspirations into tangible goals. What changes when we stop simply telling people to dream big and actually give them a structure

of figuring out how to get there? Because that's important. Wow. Well, you know, I think one of the things that we have into that dream is the reality of the work that's required to bring to fruition. And one of the things that Bill did not slack on was the work. Okay, and so we can dream all we want, but dreaming without work, or that faith that we have, the desire without work,

as we all know from a biblical standpoint, is nothing. Right. And so we want to implement an understanding of the discipline that's required to really bring forth that reality of the dreaming that we have. of the dreams that we're having. And a lot of times we say, and we got this, I got this term probably from Carlos, but there's a famous philosopher name, Dr. Harry Edwards. He always say, dream with your eyes open.

And there's a clip that's not in the documentary, but we actually brought the clip. I took Deshaun in Kansas City, there was a head scout told Deshaun, you got a dream with your eyes open. And so that kind of resonated with me, and it kind of comes on top of what Carlo said. You could dream on day long, but if you don't put the work in, it ain't going to happen.

I love that. That curriculum that we're talking about is intentionally designed to reach students way far beyond, you know, just inspiring athletes. It goes from middle school through college age. Why was it important that lessons from Deshaun's story not be limited just to football? And what can a young artist, entrepreneur, educator, or student take from this story? What can the world take from the story? I'll address that. So we oftentimes hear the term student athlete, but these gentlemen are examples of how the athlete tends to get more of the line light than the student. We want to urge folks to really focus on that student component. One of the things that Uncle Bill talked about when he talked to me, I was, when Deshaun came to Cal, I was working at Cal at UC Berkeley at the time. And one of the things we wanted to emphasize was the importance of the academic pressures that oftentimes college students face.

and student athletes from the pressure of being focusing on both areas. That academic focus can be transitioned into other areas. It's called transferable skills, and we want to make sure that student athletes and all students understand that those transferable skills will be applicable to different avenues throughout the rest of their lives. And you should also strive to develop in that area just as you're investing in the development as an athlete,

so too should the focus be development of a student because the actual student in you will carry you a lot farther than the athlete's film. Talking about the students, Deshaun, you went from, your own football career, being iconic at what you do to now helping other young athletes pursue their careers and be responsible for helping them as they pursue their careers either on the field and off the field, right?

I was having a conversation today at work about how a lot of times when it comes to athletes or artists, people don't understand that your life outside of, how you're performing on that field matters just as much as what's happening on the field because mentally you got to be together what are you doing every single day and what if you learned is important in the success of young people off the field that's just as important as something on the field yeah I think you know to the piggyback tool for Ricardo said my dad was he was all sports but it was like

you had no looks you've got no looks like that was his model we just always said And I ain't gonna share it code nothing because he was like, well, you gonna do what you're gonna do on that football field, but he was like, you better make sure you're doing what you need in the classroom. So I think at the early age, like, my dad wasn't really the smartest. And he was like, I'm gonna be the sports

and your mom gonna beat all the books, you know, but he made it up already. He always felt that the need to say, like if you don't finish your homework, if you don't do what you need to do academically, you're not going outside, I'm not taking the practice. So he made it a standard early in my life. And, you know, to say now,

I tell my players all the time, like, if you can't get your grades, you can't play, we're not in the NFL, for one. This is college football. And young guys, like, you got to understand that. Coaches are not going to call. They not going to insist on asking about you on the football field or any athletic sports you play if you're not handling your grades. So I think you've got to set it early on. You've got to understand that the responsibilities it takes us hard. Like, let's just say this.

So a regular student got all the time in the world to just do academics. Being an athlete, your days are that much longer. You gotta go to practice, you gotta go to meetings, you gotta work out, and you gotta go back to meetings again. So, and then to go to school, like, so you gotta set your schedule straight. If you don't have a schedule and you're not making your priorities, like, I'm telling you now, it's gonna be hard to be successful playing sports

because back then you had to have your SAT, ACT, I know as older folks had it now, it's like, damn what you worry about that, but it's like, It's like, if you don't have the curriculums to make sure that you're getting your grades, I'm telling you now. I'm a head coach, and I ain't going to look at you. So a young man, make sure your grave and your life. I'm telling you now.

I got to put him some of my players because I'm like, man, y'all, you know, I'm like, man, y'all get some bad grades, and they just think they can go out and play. I'm like, it don't work that way, man, because at the next level, these coaches, they ask what type of person is he off the field? How is he when he's walking to class? How does he talk to adults? How does he talk to, you know, his peers? So you got to be respectful and you know, you got to do what you ask to do.

And if you're not doing it, you're just going to chalk it up. And back to our dad, I mean, he was over the top with pushing us in sports, but he was just the same with academics, with not just academics. And it's a clip. If you want to show a clip, I got a clip of my dad talking about life skills and he said when Sean gets in the NFL, he don't need nobody signing his check. for him and stuff like that. So he was a very advocate of us having life skills. And that actually is why I tried to transition

all of this work into a curriculum because that's something my dad really spoke highly about helping kids have character and stuff like that. Yeah, I think that's the word. It's like the character, like the cloth that you're to cut from or like you develop the mentors and you know different things. Carlos, you have something you want to say.

Yeah, you know, I think it's important to know that when DeShan was making his decision to go to college, I recall me late one night. I was working at UC Berk, and Pop was on the phone. And he talked about making sure that Deshaun can survive academically at Cal. At the time, I had no affiliation with athletics. I wasn't as successful in my athletic endeavors as these two men were, and so I had to pivot my thoughts and become just as competitive academic thing. So it landed me a job at UC Berkeley, and so when University of California, Berkeley also won this Cal.

one of the number one research institutions in the world. And so when Deshaun was preparing to come there, Pops was calling him, I want to make sure my son can survive. And so I linked him with our then director of academic athletics, Dr. Derek Van Reney, who was already working with a player named Marshaun Lynch. Okay? And so we linked him with Deshaun to assure that there was just as much support from an academic standpoint as he would receive academically to provide that balance

for success. And that was, you know what I, one of the things that echoes to when I hear y'all talk and I watch a documentary, it's the way that y'all surrounded it, Sean. It's like, you know, I think you come to an HBCU, one of the biggest things I tell people all the time is like the tribe and the, you don't even know they're doing it, but the way that your school and when they see it in you, they surround you and they build you up, that is so important. And a lot of times you need it and you don't want to ask for it.

Now, when we speak of community and tribe at Delaware State University, I'm going to say I have never been as involved in Delaware State University athletics as I have in these recent years. But shout out to my uncle Tony Tucker, who's here as well too. It's been an amazing thing for me to get more involved and learn about because there's such a world of community there. And their HBCU experience is just as vast as just the students who are, you know, I always thought athletes didn't really have an experience because they're always practicing or always traveling. and then I'm learning through, you know, everything now that Mela is completely different. And it makes me think about the larger athletic transformation that has happened right now at Delaware State University. Canadian women are looking for more. More to themselves, their businesses, their elected leaders, and the world are out of them.

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And when the students today, and, you know, student athletes today, specifically look back five, ten years from now, What do you hope they say change the most during this period? I speak on that on I think it's deserving and the reason why I say is because if you look at all the other ABCs for one compared to Delaware State it's a far advantage a lot of you know Howard's Morgan States like all these colleges have I stayed in nice locker rooms you know and read habilitation to the area on the campus when I first came here it was hard because I'm walking into this area. I'm like, dang, high schools are better, I look better than Delaware's face.

So I feel like, you know, I'm sorry. I'm sorry I got to call this story. I understand what you said, though, because when I started vision of other HBCUs, I was like, dang, we made it, we got it, we got through it. Right, so I just, I want you to see it with me a film for a second. So when I come in, I'm seeing it, and it's like, they almost not showing me certain stuff,

because they don't want me to see it. I'm like, I want to see it. Take me to him. I take me dead. I'm telling me that. I'm going to tell me that. I'm going to tell the truth about this. What's crazy is where they were trying to put me.

I didn't even want to know that. I said, man, take me to where y'all want me to be. That's where they were the culture was at. So it just shows the characteristic of me because I knew coming into this, I said, I want this to be a better place. If I leave in five years, ten, whenever my time it is, that God's destined me to be here and that's another destination, I said this.

I said this, when I come in here, I said, I'm a transformation. I'm going to transform this university. It's going to be better when I got here. But to just be honest, like, it was hard to hire coach. If I had the higher coaches, I had to hire the facilities. I'm like, nah, coach, just come in and come see me. What my office looks like? I'm like, don't worry.

I don't know. I know I'm joking about this, but I really feel some need. So we got to all come together, man, and it's deserving. Because these athletes, I know, we got to, we got the, How do I see it? Equestrian team. Equestrian team. Equestrian team.

You know, I'm not. You know, this one pronounce it. But, you know, these athletes deserve, they work their tails off. And it's on me right, man.

So I just feel like you gotta do better. And we will do better. Especially because I think what's happening within the last, and this is why every time I see you, I tell you, I appreciate you deciding that Delaware State University is where you want to begin your first. coaching career because the way that I saw that, y'all can you please clap for that.

Like, if you are, how many of you guys are actually from Delaware? And you're in front of Delaware, people from Delaware here. So if you're from Delaware, you understand what I'm talking about because we, resource-wise, just being from Delaware, I felt like I've always had to explain to people that like, no, we got it. It might not be on a national platform, but we have it. And then coming to Delaware State University, I always felt like there's so many talents to people here, our friends who are doing so many things.

but people just don't know and the resources and support isn't there and I and when you know the athletic program and you know Dr. Tony Allen and everybody that like figured out a way to make all of this happen we were on this stage and in this conversation and I was like finally people can understand that being in Delaware at University Hornet makes you you can go out and conquer the world and we need the conversation to start the transformation so you know we're interested to be in here and going through the you know all the places they in one, two.

We appreciate you. But let's get, I want to get back to the film a bit too, because when you talk about transformation and just, you know, this is history right now. Like we are literally living in Delaware State University history and Delaware history, football history, as we watch you matriculatively with this career

as a coach. And the film preserves a lot of your family history. But putting it on the screen turns that history into something other that people can learn from. That's also something museums, universities, and cultural institutions do every single day. Byron, this question is for you.

Do you see filmmaking as a form of education or cultural preservation almost as much as entertainment? I think both. I mean, definitely education. I mean, if you think about it, I felt probably close to 10,000 hours of our lives, and you might see 91 minutes. So you see one layer. There's a lot of layers to pull back. Some of the things you don't really get to see is, our dad surrounded Deshaun, not just with a big brother,

but a team, all of my friends became his big brother from Travis to Derr, to Booker, to Coach T, he had a track coach. He had a whole team, and we went around saying, Team Jackson, that was Deshaun's team. And hopefully this documentary can see that, and I know that you ain't completely, complete this documentary. You might, everybody give me the credit for filming all this,

but it took, it took a team, it took my partner Travis to help me film when I wasn't here. It took a good editor, it took a director, it took, you know, line producers, it took, you know, had to add Adam McKay to the credits just to get it to Amazon. So it took a whole team of people to help, you know, this to get up here.

So hopefully people can see this story and know that, you know, it took a team, and hopefully they can build that whole team approach. And I think that's part of what Carly asked to, you know, the academic team. And he brings that into our curriculum how it took, we want families around the country to have their own Team Jackson approach to helping their kids. And I think they wanted. And they're doing this year. I see a lot of this students here.

This question can go for any of you guys that appear with me right now. We talk about, you know, Team Jackson and the community that you guys built, which is very apparent. I really urge you guys to go and watch the full documentary. on Amazon Prime, you will literally see, like, there are times where, like, the Sean is even in the car, but like, I don't know if it's like your friends or your family, and they're like, we go on here,

don't you gotta work out in the morning? And like, you know, like, everybody is making sure that the goal is accomplished. But when you think about the role that that type of community played in your own successes, who showed up for you guys before there was any guarantee that dream was gonna work out? And how does that influence the way you think

about giving back today? Yeah, that addressed that deep. So easily are we able to reference the phrase it takes a village. But that village is not traditional anymore. When we talk about the reconstruction of the family household, Bill's resourcefulness is not marketed as much as it should be. He recognized that he could not, and his wife, Gail, could not do it alone, and so they brought in and created Team Japsion.

And as a result, what you see here is the result of that, which is to whom much is given. Much is required and expected. And so when these men experience their respective successes and I experience my success, our job now is to pay it forward. Regardless of what we get in return financially or otherwise, the job is to pay it forward. Because it's bigger than just us as individuals and our individualized success or the success of our family. families. It's a collective experience and a collective experience of success that needs to take place. So the resourcefulness of Bill Jackson and being able to bring in people that were not able to contribute to either of his sons,

everything that he was able to give, I think is under merit it. I agree. I do. Especially for the time period that this takes place in and, you know, how you guys figured it out every single time. Like, it, makes it look effortless but I know that it wasn't. I know 100% that it is not easy to achieve a dream as a black family that is just trying to figure some things out. Now, we're having this conversation here in a theater. We're using film and storytelling to talk about athletics, education, family, your father, community. What can arts and culture reveal about athletes that statistics, highlight rails,

the interviews, scoreboards just can't do? So what is it that a film or documentary, like what we just watched, can reveal about an athlete in their journey that when I watch a highlight reel, I watch ESPN, I watch the sit-down interviews, I watch the club, Shay-Shay, they can't do that. What can this type of work do? I think it's a portion of being vulnerable. Like you said, watching a highlight, if you put up a Deshaun Jackson highlight, it's going to be a long highlight with a whole lot of time. touchdowns in the whole house. We're down. First and foremost, but I think, you know, having a project or a documentary or, you know, potentially a future film, hopefully one day you can make a future film of this, I think it just really shows the layers.

We brought our curriculum and we have this handwritten book and we feel like if you follow those steps on that book, it ain't guaranteed, but pretty much it's a model to the success. the success. And like he said, to who's much required, right? Much is expected as well, too. So you've got to put in the work and you have to have responsibilities in your life. Like I think the goal set and like he said, dreaming with your eyes open, like you being able to see a documentary is not going to show you the things I had to go through about a coach, benching me for whatever reason, right? Or my friends getting into a fight and I'm young and trying to figure out, you know, how do I manage to know?

not let that fight change your career. Change my trajectory of me being the first round of second. Like it's just a lot of things and layers that you can learn from when you watch an interview, when you watch footage from way back. I would have said, all you young guys are your parents in here, man, pick up that camera of film and then you know you never know who's going to make it. At the end day, I feel like I knew I was going to make it and it's crazy because you can go back to hoop dreams or any documentary. There's no footage from a six-year-old kid.

being cocky and hard-headed saying I'm going to do this and that and looking at 35, 396 years old and everything happening and planning out. So I think just being a visionary and just being vulnerable and understanding like life is not perfect. Like it's going to be a lot of mistakes, but what's going to determine are you going to allow those losses to become lessons or are you going to let those losses become defeats where you know what you gave up and you quit? You got to bounce back from every loss in the life.

And I think that art of that project that you're able to learn from helps, you know. go to future. I agree. I also think this film, I think everybody out here, tell me if I'm wrong, can see themselves in this film. And at some point of your life, you can see in this film. And hopefully, I want this film to show everybody that we're no different than everybody else. We just kept the course, and we kept going it.

And I kept filming. I feel like filming every day is special. Even today, whatever you did today, it's just This is special as last week. So you just gotta take the, take every day, like it's your last day and make the most of it. Definitely that's what this film shows that you have to make the most out of every day.

Even today. I figured it's a permanent like every day is special, so I want to document something special after day. I love that. And that was no knock the club, shit, either if y'all recording you, y'all post that. Don't give me viral in here for no reason. One of the things that stood out to me a lot is that,

and they saw it in this, preview of it, there was a part where you were filming Deshaun and the voiceover says, you guys see him as mild-mannered and respectful, but the world may not always see him as a young black man walking into the world, right, and preparing him for what these next levels of his career will be like. For the parents in the room, the coaches in the room, mentors, you know, educators in the room, what's that real-life conversation you have with, you know, these athletes when that is a real thing about how the world, you know, the world, would view them a lot differently than the people who love that.

Yeah, you've prompted a lot of thoughts to run through my head, but what reflects for me is the first camp that we did in 2012. We had an organic situation take place where Deshaun and Byron have all of the participants on the field. And generally speaking, when you have a camp, parents may sit in at stands and read a book, or they may write some errands and so on. But we decided to take advantage of

the presence of the parents and we created what resulted from that was a concept called parent university. So while Deshaun and Byron have student athletes on a field in our respective camps that we've done over the country, we have the parents participate in a parent university concept in a classroom. And we're teaching of some of the same principles that their students or their youth are experiencing on the field. It becomes a collective approach so that the village can receive the information and not, just to participate. And so we have to get back in my opinion to really understand how it's important

to feed the entire household with the information that we have. Just as Bill was resourceful and bringing in information that he wasn't necessarily initially in possession of, but he wanted to vote his sons to be in possession of that, we thought it necessary to create something greater in the formal camps than student athletes participating in walking away with a t-shirt and a picture with a pro athlete.

We have the curriculum that we developed that this was the original one. I thought it necessary to bring good. This was the original one. But it's morphed into this now in the form of priorness book and giving you something to walk away with so that you can have work that's continuously being done and not just on the day of participation,

but continuously working to continue to develop ourselves, develop our abilities, contribute to our communities, etc. But it has to be a comprehensive approach, and we have to have this panoramic lens, if you will, and not be one-dimensional. I'm going on a tangent here because so many things are going through my head about how we've come to where we are,

and that dream coming to fruition is in my head right now, about us being on this stage and sharing with the masses how we have come to this point. But more importantly, to ask you an initial question, Lauren, being able to have this comprehensive approach and not a one-dimensional approach, These young men will be contributing to society for the rest of their lives, and it doesn't have to be on a football field, scoring a touchdown for your favorite team.

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for, like, your family to, like, have as you guys own keepsake? And then the footage that you were going to take and put in this documentary because you knew it was a conversation of a larger, on it. us around the world. We need that. Great question. Yeah, that's a good question. And just to be totally honest, I directed a documentary that I completed in 2011, 12, and it didn't, I didn't get no distribution deal. And I thought it was a great documentary, and all of my people around me thought it was great,

but it just didn't make it to the big screen, so I didn't stop. I just kept going. I kept filming. I used that documentary to try to come back. documentary to try to create this curriculum and I just kept filming and eventually I realized I needed to hire a director I needed to get somebody from the outside to look at all of everything I had and to help me tell a story that was impactful and that was real I think I kind of sugarcoat a lot of things in the first documentary just because I was trying to protect my family exactly I had to find a director that I trusted because I had a I literally filmed a lot of stuff that I didn't want to out there so I had to find the director that I really had a lot of trust and he had to

me a lot of things that he wanted to use that I wasn't really great to use so it took finding the right director that saw my vision but also outside of me could stand away from it and said you need to use this because this is powerful that type of thing so did the director have to get like the okay from the family soon uh yeah definitely it was a couple of where I wasn't I wasn't like ready to show so I had to pull my ex my executive producer to the scene and kind of get his opinion so yeah that's what you take the John's taking he's like um there was a lot of stuff that was not approved by mama Jackson oh your mom it wasn't in you it was it was mom I'm a coach now like we

putting out all this stuff but I think you know they're very good I was young. I say it all the time, you can't really judge that young guy that's that age, but it's a perception that's put out there. And at the time when I was 17, 18 years old, I just had blown there things. But I think the biggest thing is, like, we sat in the same theater and I showed my players, and I was open and I was going.

But I told him at the same time, like, you know, you guys can learn for them mistakes. That's why I'm coaching right now. You know, that's why I'm in his position. I feel like I was putting in because I'm able to, you know, give these young man, you know, rights and wrongs and do's and don'ts, because I know what they're looking for at the next level. And it's a small percent of guys that make it, but, you know, regardless of this in life, like Cardo said, it could be gaying characteristics that you

take on your life that may not even be on the field in between those light ones. So I think that's the bigger picture and just opening up to all the footage. But it was definitely a lot of stuff that it was like, ah, but when we signed our name, when we did the deal with Amazon, like we forgave all the rights, and they, they, they, they, they, they, they, So he couldn't really say no. Yeah, and you guys do, I mean, you guys only saw a bit of it here. That's why I encourage you to go watch a full documentary on Amazon because you guys do share a lot.

It gets really personal into like your father and, you know, his passing and, you know, just the family dynamic and your first calls to go to it. And it felt like there's a lot there that you do share. But I think that a lot of the student athletes and younger athletes when they watch it, they're going to see somebody they relate to. And I think that that matters, kids got to believe you in a real way because they're facing so many real things, especially like our young black men or black boys, they're babies that are out in this world. So some of the things that you guys did leave in, I commend you for being brave enough to do that.

And I think it will save a life. It will change your life, too. I want to talk about the history of HBCUs of Delaware State University, because Delaware State University is an HBCU with a deep history, but it's also an institution. that is thinking about the future, how do you balance honoring the traditions and the people who built an institution or a community while still being able to transform it?

Like, you guys came in and you fit within the family and it didn't feel like you were outsiders coming in to, like, change our world in a way that, like, we didn't want it to happen. It's always been love and support. How did you guys figure that out and navigate that? Athune Cookman. Your HBC, you go ahead.

Oh, okay. I'll touch on this quickly and then by it to take the form. I think the biggest thing is just having the standard remain the standard. Regardless of what it looks like, yeah, I may be a younger form or y'all may be able to relate to the players a little more just because of my age gap. But, you know, for me, just allowing the players to be authentic and, you know, unique to who they are. I never came in and said, hey, I was your dad or, you know, I'm a police officer.

Like, you know what, I accept every player for who they are. And I think, you know, when you're trying to break a cycle or you're trying to break, if you want to just call it what it is, a loser mentality or a loser mindset, like, you had to peel back the layers. And for me, when I came in 2025, like, it was a very talented team. Like, those that knew about the Delaware State Hornets around those times I came in, they were in five games that they lost. In the fourth quarter, they was actually winning. And it just came down to, like, my own head mistakes, undisciplined, fatigue. So when I came in, I'm like, man, you guys are actually talented, you know what I'm saying? And the brand of Delaware State football, like, it was a good brand of football.

I just had to, like, trigger just their mindset. Like, I have three characteristics that, you know, I preach on a day of basis. It's mindset. The one is your mindset of how you attack things, how resilient you are, and anything happening, and then your dog mentality. So I think that's the same culture and the same, in other words, Dayton. It was back in 2007 when they won the Miak championship. So for me, it's just kind of just pulling back layers and just having them understand that,

yeah, you have a young coach who may do things a little flashy. Maybe I may have a jury and adopt in the team, but at the end of day, it's one way to win. You've got to work hard. That's the only way you can be a champion. It's only one champion for one reason, because what team is going to do it the most consistent throughout the season. So just putting that, you know, the principles on your team and, you know, on your kids and just making them up, live that every day, regardless of the service.

Definitely, that was good answer. Basically, this documentary and coaching football and how I coach football, I'm a coach too, just being fundamentally sound, you know. Whatever you do in life, we fundamentally sound, have the fundamentals down to a site. from running. These are also principles running, jumping, throwing, catching and hitting. We've got to know the basics. You've got to know the fundamentals and you got to master them. Every day of your life, you've got to master the details. And if you could do that in sports, why can't you do it in life? Mastering becoming a good person. Mastering, being respectful. I mean, we as coaches, we know how to build winning traditions. Let's try to build that winning

tradition with society. And that's what this curriculum is about trying to build the winning culture as far as his off the football field in life. I love that. Well, you're at the end of the conversation. And to close,

first I want to thank you guys for being here. Thank you guys for being, especially to the audience. Thank you about for being here as well to you at one stage with me and let me get all in your business. I want to bring us back to the title, though, go deep, get back. If there's a young person sitting in this audience tonight who has a dream but doesn't

yet know the path to get there, what is one thing you want to leave them with when they leave this room and you want them to believe it and you want them to be ready to do it, I mean, like start tomorrow. What is that one thing? I think we all should speak on that. I was the first. Being dedicated, man, dedicate yourself. Be consistent.

I think consistency is something that, you know, regards what you're doing life, the more you're consistent, the better you'll be. And don't take note for answering. Like if somebody doubts you, if you have a teacher or a father or, you know, somebody you look up to a mentor, if they say you can't do something, prove somebody wrong. You know what I'm saying? I think, you know, at the end of day, man, believe me yourself, regardless of what anybody else says, put the expectation on yourself, set those unrealistic goals for yourself. So when you do accomplish it, you can say, forget everybody that doubted me. And, you know, just have fun, man.

Whatever it is that your heart tells you, just do it a thousand percent. I ain't going to say 100%. Do it a thousand percent. And when you do reach your goal, or when you do do something that you accomplish, don't get content. Complacency is something that no one deserves to have in their life because at the end of the day, the most, let's say,

what's the name? Nope, not Gates, a tested dude. What's the name? Elon Musk. He had a trillion. almost and he's still figuring out ways to get money so young kids go go get quadriple with he guys it's doable let's start with the number one principle find your desire once you know what you really desire go find a mentor go find a

teacher go find some type of guidance to try to get your desire because if you try to do it by yourself you'll hit your head a lot of times and your dreams become a nightmare so try to find the right guidance towards your passion That is so good. Yes, he is. I started working in higher education office. I shared with Shoshan, we were talking back state before we came. I started working in higher education August of 1998.

What I've learned about youth is they don't care how much you know until they know how much you care. Yes. Can you say that again? I won't take care for the support that I borrowed from somebody. And you can borrow it again. Just say it again. My high school principal is here. Where's Dr. Edney?

I appreciate that. But I literally was talking to her about that today. When I saw her, I felt like I was a kid back in high school and I was just with someone who loved me so much. Like she, but it's so needed. It's so important. And pop, the rest of paradigm, Pops, brought people into the lives of his sons that care.

And so when environment is referencing the importance of finding a mentor, make sure you are resourceful enough to get someone who is just as invested as you are in you and yourself making sure you're shooting someone that's just as invested in you as you are in yourself the family structure is no longer traditional okay our grandparents are raising children we have children in foster care etc but it doesn't mean that you don't have the ability to be just as successful as any of us on this stage and I include myself and you as well as the Lord we have to be resourceful in getting people who dream

like we dream and believe in us as we believe in ourselves. So choosing a mentor is extremely important, but being resourceful, if we're parents, single parents, et cetera, like I was raised, and born and raised in Savannah, Georgia, shout out to Savannah, being resourceful and bringing in those who, being humble enough to bring in those who can't give what you can give and realizing that God don't make mistakes.

They bring people into your life for a reason. Thank you. At this time, you're going to open it up for audience questions. I'm looking for some direction. Okay, so we have some microphones that they're going to set up. They're going to set them up down here, actually, and then you guys can, I believe, just come up to the mics and we go to mic to mic, and it'll let me know a time that we have to go.

We have about 10 minutes. 10 minutes, okay. So, yeah, you guys can come and line up at the mic down here, and we'll just try to get it as much as we can. What's up? What's up, Coach, Dan? I have more of a statement than a question. I want you guys to know that when I first met Coach Jack last year,

he told his partner, Coach Trave, to take my number and to stay connected with the community. And I've done my best to keep the football team connected with the community. Now I'm asking the community to stay connected to the football team. If we can do one thing, right, make sure we show up to these football games. Coaches putting us all out there. Like, we need to show up to these football games.

We need to support the team. We need to support athletics a little bit more. But I said, probably, I don't know, maybe a little 100 or so people in here. If everybody can bring four or five people to a game, you understand? I mean, we're gonna be able to pack the stadium. It's doing us no good for coach

to be putting out all these blood, sweat, and tears, right? I mean, think about this. His brother flew in this morning. I called his brother at 9 o'clock. I said, hey, did you make it? Yeah, waiting on Carlos to come in. That was at 9 o'clock this morning. now they're here doing this thing.

Right, so they're giving it they all, they're given the community, they all, I think that the community gotta pay that back. So can we please start showing up to these football games? Can we please start to support with our race? You gonna go over to the other side, yeah? Hello, my name is Sheila Davis, and I'm alumnus of Delaware State,

and I'm also a member of the alumni association. I want to say thank you for not considering probably to come to Delaware State University, and also to give back to the community, to let us know you are real. So it's not, as you say, about the chains and everything. And I've also win a season box for Delaware State University, whether we're winning or not.

So how do we get a copy of the book? How do you buy it? Thank you. I appreciate that. Not for sale today, but. in a couple weeks it'll be for sale and you can find it as sports rhythms instagram so you're teasing you're you're teased you should have it written you guys

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One thing I wanted to say to you, wanted to just salute you, but actually come to here and give you your bloods like tears, because that's what you're doing. The other thing I want to say to you is this, and this question, what is your why since you was a kid that kept you going? Because my why was my mom's. She took me to play football when I was seven.

I went to four, five different doctors to get approved. First four, four, First one said no. The fifth one said yes. And from a mother, I wasn't an athlete, but saw something that I needed, she took me to five doctors in one day. I lost my left eye to a cancerous tumor when I was two.

When I came, I played ball, football saved my life. And that was my why. What's your wine? Great God, God bless you with you. What's like? I would say, my wife is my family. And I think that's why I do what I do. You know, growing up, my mother and father really didn't have too much and nothing.

You know, they had a struggle to put food on the table. So growing up, I always was like, you know what, I'm going to make it so my parents ain't got to work anymore. And I put that on my shoulders, and I was able to accomplish that. So, you know, everything I do in my life is all about family. I'm a huge family, well-man, a young man. And I think, you know, just really motivating my family because there was a lot of, It was a lot of beef with my family.

You know, my dad had kids, what, four years for me? Five years before. I was parted with it. The dad was Broan and Stone, show. You know, it was a lot of mixed motions and feelings with the family. But the kids, and I think when I was playing football, it brought everybody together, and I was in a happy play. So, for me, I just felt like, you know,

my brother didn't get along with my dad. My sister was into it. Like, everybody was into it. But at the football game, they were like, we're here to support the Sean. So I think that was just always big of the most of me. Thank you. And I'm trying to jump on top of that.

I know you might not care about my wife, but... We care about your wife. If it wasn't from your why, I don't know if my brother would have cared as much about his own why. But to piggyback off of Lauren, my why is, through this art of filmmaking, television, we can really, we can really make an impact on the world. I mean, I think the media has... I think the media has used propaganda that cause wars. I think with my art form, I want this form to be a way

where it can bring people together and make people understand. That's my why. What made you coach DSU? Well, you gotta introduce yourself first and tell us about your team. Oh, Mishaw. My name is I have a great question. This question was, what made you want to coach DSU?

will make me want to coach VSU. I was coach a high school football. And, well, go back before that. My first year I retired was in 2023. And I sat back for a whole year and I was taking my kids to school, just enjoying the benefits and not having to work. And I paid 15 years in the NFL. I was like, I feel like I deserve to sit back and be nothing for a whole year.

So after sitting on the couch for a whole year, getting bored, I was like, I got to figure out something to do. And I just started coaching with Coach Travis, who's our assistant head coach. And after the first week, because the first week was crazy, like it was all-starstruck. I said, oh, my God, Sean Daxson's coaching. But after that first week, I could just see, like, everything I was pouring into him, how much of the difference it was making in these young men's lives. And, you know, it kind of, for me, I regained my passion.

Because I didn't really know what was going to be next to me after football. I was like, I played all these years playing football. And it was like, now I'm retiring. Like, what I'm going to do? So I couldn't just sit around and do nothing. So I jumped into coaching. After my first year, I got a call from a friend of mine that was asking, but I'd be interested in coaching college football.

I was like, no. I was like, no. Because at the time, I used to always say, I played all these years, I did not be tired to go back to having a longer schedule than I have planned. So I think I said no the first three times. And then after that third time, I was like, you know, let me give it a change.

chance and I called coach Andy Reid, Sean McLean and Dion Sanders and I was like man how do you think I would be as a head coach and that was like man I think you'd be a heck of a head coach so but too late before Christmas I'm on a flight coming to Delaware State or coming to Delaware to meet with Tony Tony Island Dr. Allen and it was like I don't know how the heck this happened I came in with my brother and coach Travis and it was like it's not a formal it was an unformal meeting it's like man it's not how you usually goes but I think you know God just put me in this position honestly that's why.

And also, my question was, I don't know, to get to your level. What can you do to get to my level? Well, one thing I'm going to tell you this, you're smaller, right? I was smaller too, but guess what they told is smaller dude that we couldn't make it. So don't get into the stigma

that you're too small, and football is a big man sport because the end of day, the hardest is what matters. As long as you've got a heart and you believe in yourself, don't none else matter. and work hard and listen to your parents to do good in school. That's the three things.

What position do you guys play? What position you're playing on the team? Running back, knee beat. I play running back, club receiver. Clot receiver. And safety. You're the small person, okay? And what do you play?

Let me guess, hold on, let me guess your position. Safety, free safety? Wide receiver? Yeah. All right receiver? What else? On the back? Starting.

Pardon? I remember that. I think it's one back or two. Okay, so you like to hit? And what about you? Got you. My question? Best advice I got.

What's your passion? I'm going to ask you that first. Do you have a passion? It's okay, but I would say if you don't know your passion, find your passion first. Find your passion, and once you find your passion, go a thousand miles prior and don't stop until you accomplish it. You hear me?

My name is Wanda. My name is Wanda. I want to first of all thank you for humility and for paying it forward to everyone, not just here in this community, but in New Jersey. I came all the way from New Jersey just to thank you. Yes, this is fine. I want to just let you know that as a leader

of a youth organization in South Jersey, listening to you and bringing some of my lead out to your premiere, they're still talking about it. And hopefully I can do something for my the rest of the kids who didn't get to see it, but I've watched your film three times already. And because it's so inspirational, because your five principals are really,

they really resonate with the need and to make sure that I need these young kids. My organization, when we started something new in New Jersey, we feed our kids after every practice to make sure they get a home cook meal after practice and making sure their parents can be involved in the practices with their children after they drop them off,

and we tutor them at our part prior to. School just started, but they are students first and athlete second. And when you spoke that today, it really resonated with me to make sure that I know, but I continue pushing forward for the young kids that are on my athletic program. So thank you so very much for all that you can for our community and for this world. Thank you. Thank you for you for you. Hello, everybody. So my name is Entrio Kitson and I'm going to the program because young men of value.

And we met to a young man from age of 1618. I have some of my members here and all my sons here as well. So I had two questions for both for Coach Jackson and Byron. So the first question I would have, when you were deciding to do the documentary for that 35 years you said you were doing documentary for, what would you say was the light ball or that spark flipping your mind and said, I'm gonna be committed,

I'm gonna be 100% rock in, because this story needs to be told, and for you to take it as far as you did, or now it to be what it is today, which is a documentary for us to watch. What would you say was that initial spark that drove you to take it that far? I think I had a professor in college,

a film professor, and he was just, he always told me about the impact you can make by doing films. And I always, I'll always in deep down my heart knew that I was going to be able to make an impact by going to film. Didn't know it was necessarily was going to be this documentary, but I think just living with that thought in my head that filmmaking can really, you know, change the mindset of young kids. So I think that was a burning thing inside of me that drove me for 35 years and continued filming to shine and filming. And even now, I'm still filming. So I just feel like filmmaking can really change the mindset of people.

You know, it could create something that's magical. So that's kind of been my burning about it. That's good. And for Coach Jackson, so a lot of the films wait before social media, way before apps, iPhone, cell phone footage, it's like raw footage. While all these things were going on in your mind, did you really see the big picture?

Did you see yourself one day saying, I'm having memories to look back at? and had reflections. Why are you in the moment? Was that crossing the mind? I'm always in the moment. So for me, my brother always asked me, like, how does things feel when I'm in the moment?

I feel like I really can't process it because I'm so deep into what's going on or how hard I got to work or the moment at hand. So not necessarily, but one thing I will say, my dad always used to say, he was like, man, like the world, the world, don't know how great you were. Like he said that at an early age and people thought it was crazy. And as you see toward the end of the documentary, he was like, people thought I was crazy.

He said, I do all along with my boy was special. So I think as a father, like, believing in me and investing like that, it just only made me believe that much more of myself. Excellent. We've got time for one more. Maybe we're all over here. You're going to be a final question of the evening. I'm sorry, y'all, we only have time for one more. First I just want to say, I'm like baby-ten with a drop.

Why are you missing it to the Rutgers Club? They be talking about some crazy stuff on their day, not me. I get you. They're crazy. No, I appreciate it, though. Thank you. To want to say, did you feel like you had something of free when you were declaring? That was a heck of a question.

Yeah. I for sure feel like I had something to prove. The reason why I feel like I feel like I had something approved is because I had a lot of powders in my life. It was like a lot of naysayers or a lot of people did. really never believed in me because I was smaller or I wasn't the biggest football player. But I just believed to myself because the expectation of my family and what I put on myself. Like, you know, in life, I feel like other people's expectations shouldn't really matter.

As long as you know, you believe in yourself and what you are able to do with the work you put in, shouldn't amount to anything anybody else would say. So that was my self-pressure that I put on myself just because I believed in me. and I wanted to always give them my dad and I send you a wife. Thank you, yeah, thank you. Yeah, thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much for coming out.

This has been a preview of Go Deep. Again, if you have not already go check out the full, you know, the full thing on Amazon. It's available now, you can watch it. Yeah, we just appreciate you guys for coming out. And I don't know if there's anything else that I'm supposed to say before I rap, besides. I got you.

Yeah, okay, thank you, because my cards only go but some deep. Hey, let's give it up for the panel. A lot of people in the room, I just want you to see these people, okay? You see a head collegiate football coach. You see a media mobile in the making. You see a filmmaker, extraordinaire, and you see an exceptional educator. So the kids in the room, you can be anything you want to be. All right, just like God be.

To all the Delaware state folks just know, I pastor telling this all the time, consistency beats intensity. Consistency beats intensity. Since 2020, we have bought a school, figured out a way to get free tuition to all Delawareians, brought one of the best Eagles ever to Delaware State University. And hold on, look around. I just want you to just look in this. building, right, to the young people. For 70 years in this building, black people could only sit up there. We own the place now. When we talk about transformation, and if you're a lummander

room, hear me, we are demolishing in January. We was demolished in January. We will build for a year and a half, and by fall of 28, we will have a $55 million new after. athletic facility with brand new fans. So remember it's called, the only thing I would tell you, it's called Alumni Stadium. So far I've got one alumni daughter. All right, do not let it be just the state helping us out. If it's our university, then we have to respect it,

honor it, protect it, and fund it. Okay? Can I get an amen on that? Amen. Now, bless you, thank you. Remember, come to all the games, and don't forget the game at the Lake, October 31st. Doc, can we get a picture of the studio stage?

Yeah, sure. No problem. You just got here, bro. Hold on. All right, thank you. God bless you. Thank you. The music you love.

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or is an educator, but was a pivotal educator when Deshawn Jackson went to UC Berkeley and his whole world changed there within that college room. You know, for me it's always about like, how I'm utilizing my platform to be of service to other people. I made a joke yesterday while speaking to everyone there that, you know, Charlemagne always is like, do you know you graduated from Delaware State? Like you're always there.

You know you're not a student anymore, right? And I'm like, yes, I know I'm not a student, but when people pour into you, you pour back. I show up for Delaware State University because what the institution did and what going to HBCU did for me and how it developed me as a young woman that came out into the world ready to get everything I deserved. Students deserve that and I want that to continue. I want more students to experience that and we are at a record high with our enrollment at Delaware State. Look, I said we like I work at the school. But, you know, even if you did not attend Delaware State University, HBCU's need support regardless, whether you went to a HBCU, PWI, or you didn't go at all,

understanding what they do for young black students in the world and all the students. And all the students that attend is important. So I hope this conversation motivated you guys to also go watch the documentary too. It's a lot longer than, you know, just the clips and the things that we talked about. It gets very, very deep, extremely deep. Deshawn Jackson and Byron Jackson actually lost their father to cancer during Deshaun Jackson's NFL journey. However, the story is so inspiring how he still, even in his passing, it was a big

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