The Breakfast Club - Desean Jackson On Coaching Delaware State, Earning Respect, Fatherhood + More

Episode Date: January 10, 2025

The Breakfast Club Sits Down With Desean Jackson To Discuss Coaching Delaware State, Earning Respect, Fatherhood. Listen For More!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Wake that ass up! Early in the morning. The Breakfast Club. Morning everybody, it's DJ Envy, Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne the guy. We are The Breakfast Club. We got a special guest in the building. Yes indeed. He is the new head coach of the Delaware State Hornets Ladies and gentlemen, Deshaun Jackson. Welcome, brother

Come on man. Appreciate y'all for having me man. It's a blessing. How you feeling first and foremost brother? And it's surreal man. Honestly, bro. I'm in a position man You know going just going through my whole life and my accomplishments obviously playing at a high level This I've been a little jit little kid, you, you know, from Pop Warner all the way to high school to college and obviously my NFL career. We in New York right now so I know a lot of New Yorkers hate me for that kind of return. A little bit but you know it's all good but man honestly man full circle to be a head coach in the NFL after retiring two years ago man it's a surreal feeling man.

I love seeing brothers like you get these kind of jobs, but it's obvious these gigs aren't for the money because a lot of HBCUs just don't have it. So what is the motivation? I see, man, it's to change young kids' lives, man. Give them opportunities, give them hope. I mean, really, the visionary for myself was, coming from where I came from, grew up in Los Angeles, California,

really didn't have a lot of resources, didn't have a lot of hope. Moms, pops didn't really have a lot of money to help. So sports and ball was my only way out. So I feel like a lot of young black kids, a lot of kids in general, coming from the areas we come from, I mean to have a guy like myself that knows

every step of the way to get there, I mean why not go touch these young kids' lives, man? To help them change their lives. How did it come about? Why Delaware? How did that position happen? People say why Delaware. I say why not though.

But honestly, last year was my first year coaching high school and my older brother had an opportunity to get a coaching job in Long Beach where I went to Long Beach Poly where the number one high school in America to put guys into the NFL. So when I had a call, my brother was like, man, I could get a job, but it's in Long Beach, but it wasn't the high school I went to. It was like a rival school. So I'm like, ah, that's going to be hard to do. But when he got the job, I was like, man, you get it, I'm going to come work with you,

man. And I got an opportunity to go coach them last year and I fell in love with it. Obviously, I played 15 years and I can't get back to go out there and catch touchdowns. So going out there and helping them young kids and train them, it just kind of matched that void that I missed from catching touchdowns to training these young kids. And it was like, I got into it and I fell in love with it, man.

I said, man, I got an opportunity to really change these young kids' lives. I got so much knowledge and insight on the game. It would be crazy for me not to give it back to these young guys and help them do every step of their way. So how did Delaware call, did you reach out to Delaware? Every step of the way, how did that happen? So Delaware State actually, one of a good friend of mine

hit me and he was like, bro you wanna coach college football? I'm like college football, like I'll just play 15 years in the league, you know how my time is just everything in my path, I'm like, I'm'm like I'm chilling feet kicked up at the house I ain't working cuz you know it's a lot a lot of people don't understand the hard work that goes into being professional athletes so when I got the call I'm like college football I'm like I'm having a heck of a time right now coach of high

school college that's time that time is crazy I'm like nah I don't want to do it literally like an hour later I got't want to do it. Literally like an hour later, I got another call from Coach Clark, who's like a big brother mentor to me. And he was like, bro, you interested in coaching college? I'm like, hold on, what the hell is going on? This is getting crazy now. I was like, man, ain't you in school? Cause he's a teacher.

I'm like, ain't you in school? I said, man, call me back later and we'll talk about it. So I sat back and thought about it. And I was like, you know what? I'm a considerate and literally less than 48 hours I'm on a flight going to Delaware. So they actually inquired on me and reached out through a few mutual guys I knew and it was like,

man, I had to go take this opportunity, man. I said, I couldn't pass on it. If it's something I really wanna do, obviously it's changing young kids' lives. I was like, man, I ain't gonna pass on this one. You know what I hate, man? I hate the fact that like, I didn't even know you coached at Woodrow Wilson High School

until you got the job at Delaware State. For sure. And I'm like why the hell wasn't people amplifying that? Why wasn't the media talking about that? Because if you did some bullshit, that'd be all over the news. For sure bro. I mean for me man, I think throughout my career man a lot of you know what has followed me. And you know I don't like to use the word unfortunate. It is what it is. Growing up you know in Los Angeles around the gang culture and obviously the stigma. He's hanging around with the wrong people.

He's doing the wrong things. But throughout my career, I've never went to jail. I've never had no feelings. So it's like I'm kind of put in that box just because I grew up. And the guys I do hang around with may partake in certain things. But at the end of the day, that's the culture and that's the nature where I come from. For me, I never turned my back on them. I never made it and was like, you know what, I can't go to Crenshaw and Saucer.

I can't go to Crenshaw and Vernon. I ain't going to go to LeMurk Park. That's my area. I love to go back and support and help pull guys out of the area because I know how I feel to be stuck in there and have no hope to go anywhere else. For me, I just try to idol realize the guys that I looked up to, my older brother who's here right now, I've been having a camera in my face

since I've been a little kid. Like every step of the way, it's always been a vision. And I had people around me that believed in my vision and helped me, you know, pushed me through every step of the way. And now I'm able to really put a lot of lights on it. And Amazon came through and we did a deal with them and we're gonna be releasing a documentary and this whole coming up. So it's just a lot of lights on it and you know Amazon came through and we did a deal with them but we're gonna be releasing a documentary and this all

coming up so it's just a lot of surreal things going on I'm just blessed. That's what's up. Did you ever feel like at some point like this is way before you even got drafted did you ever feel like doubt because they remember they were saying you were too small your frame was too small you small, your frame was too small, you cool, but your frame was too small. Did you ever have doubt? Honestly, me personally, I never had doubt. I just used all the naysayers and all the doubt to like fuel my fire.

So knowing I was always the smallest, one of the smallest, but like I was always the fastest. So I'm like, my dad used to always say, well, if they can't hit you and they can't hit, if they can't catch you, they can't hit you. You know what I'm saying? So like for me, I just kind of every step away, obviously couldn't nobody predict that I was going to be in the NFL for 15 years.

Like the average Korean NFL is three and a half years. I came in at, since day one in 2008, no one would have never predicted me to play 15 years. So for me, I just, I love to doubt. And right now I'm facing more doubt. You know, people like, man, he ain't never coached college. Why the hell y'all gonna go hire Deshaun Jackson to be a head coach at Delaware State University? And for me, like, there's no shoes that are too big for me. I feel like I can feel any shoe there is made.

And obviously having like a guy like coach Andy Reed, who was my coach in Philadelphia, Deon Sanders, who's like a mentor to me to me you know I feel like I'm surrounding myself around great people it's not gonna allow me to fail and I'm not gonna allow myself to fail so I think the biggest thing about a head coach and being in a position like this you've got to surround yourself and around I mean you got to surround yourself with people to help you be successful and for me I'm gonna put some heavy hitters in a position.

I can't let y'all know who I'm hiring, but I'm hiring some guys that got a lot of experience playing in the NFL, coaching in the NFL, and coached their college at a high level. So I'm excited for this opportunity. It's on, it's on. I was gonna ask, when it comes to recruiting players, HBCU sometimes have it a little tough.

Especially sometimes, you know, people go to the major schools, right? Cause they feel like they get better looks on television. And sometimes they feel the facilities are a lot better with training and things like that. So how do you combat that part of it? You really want to know? Yeah, absolutely.

I'm about to come holler at you. You went to Howard, y'all got that Jordan sponsor, right? We went to Hampton, I went to Hampton. Oh, Hampton, okay. I was gonna say, all right, well, honesty man, for me. It ain't no sponsorships at Hampton. Nah, yeah, I got to mix up. But this is all good, honestly man, for me. And it's like, ain't no sponsorships at Hampton. Nah, yeah, obviously. I gotta mix up, but it's all good.

Hampton, Hampton, Howard's all this. Nah, but for real, honestly man, he must have his ass in basketball and football. But, nah, for sure. Well, I think, you know, just with the resources, like you spoke on, for me, having a name, having a guy that had the success I had, I think it's a little easier.

Obviously, you go back at what Deon Sanders did at Jackson State, he kinda put the plan down. He put the infrastructure down. He kicked the door open for guys like myself and Michael Vick, obviously. I'm sure you guys seen Michael Vick get the position at Norfolk State. So, you know, for me, that's like a big brother to me, man.

We got a great relationship. I grew up looking up to Michael Vick and he kinda knocked the door down before I did. But it's crazy because when he got, he called me, it was like, I got an opportunity to be at Sac State or Norfolk State. He was like, you're going to be my first hire. So at the same time, I was like, I'm interested. But I was trying to like play, not playing, but like kind of keep them limbo because I

knew I would potentially have my own position. So I was trying to really figure it out. But I mean, with them type of names man, obviously Deion Sanders Michael Vick And then you have Deshaun Jackson like we set up for this and me I think Travis Hunter and Shador Sanders obviously Showed a lot of players that are big that you can go to an HBCU Ball out and still go to a power five and still go get the NIL money and do everything and still be successful. So I think it's a little more popular now. Before that, I don't see people doing it like myself. When I was coming out, obviously I came out in

2005 and I was a big-time recruit and I always wanted to go to an HBCU. But for me, I was like too big to go to one. But my dad went to Bethune and Cookman. You know, my mom went to Duquesne, so for me it's just history, man. It's the culture, man, and I'm pumped up, ready for it, for real, man. Why don't HBCUs, well, why don't they have more money to make hires like yours, and how do we increase that? How do we get them that money?

Great question, man. I think for myself, honestly, if we gonna talk about money, me being the head coach at Delaware State wasn't about money. You know, at the end of the day, my career and the money I've made on the field obviously is an honor and a blessing, but taking this position, it wasn't like I'm about to take this position, I'm about to become some crazy million dollar coach right away, you know what I'm saying?

So for me, it was just a vision. It was the energy I felt when I went to Delaware. The people I met, obviously Dr. Allen, Dr. Hawkins, Tony Tucker, Tomaskin Starr, who was my guy that actually made this happen. When I stepped foot on that campus, it was just like the morale. It was like, you could tell the people around just wanted to win. They had it eager for winning. It's like in the past two years, they won two games. I mean, like this is not an ideal situation for me, but it is because then I know I'm a winner. So no situation scares me.

So when I came into that building, that facility, like you said, it wasn't, it's high schools that are better than our facilities. Yeah, I didn't even know they had a football team to get high as you to coach. Damn. Damn, that's how you feel though? Crazy.

And I'm lying. But I Damn. Damn, that's how you feel though? Crazy. I'm lying. No, that's real. But I mean honestly, like I've heard about Delaware State, but I ain't really know too much about Delaware State either. And Philadelphia is right down the road. I spent a lot of time in Philadelphia. I played for the Washington football team.

They don't call them the team I used to play for no more. They're the commanders or whatever. We don't like that name. But then I played for Baltimore as well, too. The Ravens my last year in the league. So I'm surrounded in the same area, man. And I really took a liking to Philadelphia because obviously I'm a Cali dude. So when I got drafted to Philadelphia, I played for six teams, but Philadelphia is one of

the best places I played in, man. So I feel like I'm at home, man. And I really want to put a gate around Delaware, around Philadelphia, around DMV, around Baltimore, because at the end of the day, it's a lot of talent that goes unnoticed and all these guys are going other places, you know what I'm saying? So for me, I think it's huge. And that was a part of the pitch when I had the interview for the head coaching job. It's like, I mean, you have Deshaun Jackson coming in here now.

A lot of these kids, when I was playing in Philadelphia, were kids that were five, seven years, you know, six, seven years old, and now they in high school, I'ma go into they house and talk, and it's like, wow, I remember you. I'm a Philadelphia Eagle fan, so it just makes it a little easier.

Oh, my bad, man. Did your mentality have to change at all, going from like player to coach. For sure. Man, how do I answer that one? I think with this situation, obviously, I did have to clean it up a little bit. And the reason why I would say that is because

me and LaShawn McCoy, who's somebody I have a lot of respect for, and is like a brother to me, we was doing a podcast, and you free on that podcast. You can say what you want, you can do, you can dream, whatever the case may be. So for me, now being the head coach, it's a lot of things that I was having freedom to do,

and just relax, just because you know what, I worked hard, I did my thing, and now I can let my hair down a little bit. So you know, a snap of a finger, you know, I had to clean up. But I think throughout my whole career was like that because when you walk into these offices or you walk into these owners or these coaches, you know, you just can't be in there just being yourself, you know what I'm saying? You got to clean up and you got to portray a certain image.

So for me, like, I've been used to that. I know how to turn the switch on and off. And I think the biggest thing is when you leading a university, you know, you have to be the resemblance of what you want your young man to look like so I mean you just want them to own up to the responsibility of being a young man to be responsible to work hard and just all the characteristics you want in a young man to be able to be a grown man when you're done with them. I think the biggest thing is when I walk in the door I look at these young men like young

men when they leave out there during their graduate, I want them to become grown men. So you just got to install principles and just let them know. And I think the biggest thing for me is, I know what it looks like. I know what they, I know what the next level wants. I know the things not to do and what to do,

because I'm not the perfect pitch. You know, I did a lot of things that, you know, I had to learn from. And now looking back, especially the social media space, like I posted a lot of things when I was young. And the older I got, I was like, damn, I wish I didn't post that. Damn, I wish I wouldn to learn from. And now, looking back, especially the social media space, I posted a lot of things when I was young. And the older I got, I was like, damn, I wish I didn't post that. Damn, I wish I wouldn't have showed that.

But it also shows them that you are relatable too. Yeah, for sure. You know what I'm saying? You got stings, you got stigmas, all that type of stuff. So it actually shows. And don't claim it. Yeah, no, for sure. Yeah.

Don't claim it, just say it's AI. No. It's AI. Y'all gotta claim none of this shit no more. I didn't mean to say that. That ain't what it means. That wasn't me. That wasn't me out here. Nah, for real. That was weird though.

Now I know Kevin Hart's your guy. Yes sir. Kevin Hart came up here and he said some things about Delaware State. You have it? Oh man. It's over. He don't understand HBCU culture. When you went to HBCU, you don't let it go.

Come on. Let it be known. Where did you go sis? She didn't. Here's your sign. Oh, I thought I was trying to. I read about Delaware State University. There you go.

Let it be known. It is. What do you mean? I know what it is. It is. Go sis I know he's a huge Eagle fan. I know you guys are close Did you call him when you got the job and be like bro? You got to take that back now see what's crazy I didn't even know about that viral moment until like maybe like you hours ago So so when I heard when I heard about what he said I reached out to him And you know I tried to get him to call in to apologize because now your little homie is the head coach over there but he's dealing with all

the fires and I think he's shooting a show right now. But one thing I would say about Kevin, man, Kevin's a great dude and got a great relationship with him. I know he just say things, you know how he is, Kevin just say things. It's comedy. It was comedy, man. Kevin just joking. He just be popping it but for for sure Kevin's gonna come.

He gonna come support, I mean, you know, his roots with Philadelphia and being a huge Eagles fan. You know, he was like, man, what I need to do? I got a building I can put my name on. I'm like, yeah, man. We got a whole lot of stuff you can put your name on. It's HBCU, we gonna need you. So I'm looking forward to building a lot of relationships.

Man, I got a lot of relationships with, you know, like Michael Rubin is a guy that I reached out to and, you know, he congratulated me as well too. So just looking forward to putting my resources, man, and bringing it together, man, because I think we got a big opportunity, man, to change the perspective on HBCUs, man. And I'm stoked. I'm ready to get it going for sure. You know what, when you become a parent, you start looking at your parents different. Like you kind of just appreciate them more

and respect them more and understood what they went through. Now that you're a coach, do you feel like that about your old coaches? Cause you probably gave them your coaches help. I promise I did. And you know what's crazy? Cause when I was younger, my mom was like, you bad, but your kids is gonna be that much more bad than you are.

So now obviously I got two sons, six and nine. And my nine year old boy, he be giving me a run for my money. So now, obviously, I got two sons, six and nine, and my nine-year-old boy, he be giving me a run for my money. So I'm like, man, I feel what you're saying, but it's crazy you said that, because I was in a team meeting with the guys and met them for the first time two days ago, and I could just see, man, these dudes gonna give me a run for my money.

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This what you got to do You know I'm saying and if you don't do it like this Delaware State might not be your fit You know it's it's unfortunate, but I I want guys that want to do this I want guys that want to play at the next level like I know what I want to accomplish there And like I said, I don't got time to wait and we don't got time to mess around like we not rebuilding we coming there right now we want to win this year. Have you thought about that like what Charlamagne said like you know these students might come in there some of them might be feeling themselves a little bit talk to you a little crazy when you in the league you

could talk back I'm sure you can talk to your coach you know you might have to go move some furniture but now you a coach you can't move that furniture. You can't move that furniture but uh one thing I will say I think it's a respect it's a respect level and uh I always say like how how do you like when you first meet somebody like do you come in there and just expect or like say you you got a job or you a boss and you hire somebody like yeah you might have the authority but you're not just gonna talk to him any type of way now you do have certain bosses that do feel like you know what I'm gonna talk to you any type of way and I don't care how you feel,

but like, is he really gonna run through a wall for you? So for me, it's like my perspective, if I'm gonna come here and ask you to do certain things, I'm gonna mutually build that rapport with you before I just come at you crazy and talk to you crazy, because it's like, I'm gonna expect you to run through a wall for me and you, I don't know you, like I don't trust you.

You gotta build that before you just run through a wall. So I feel like building that trust and letting them know like, you know what, I don't trust you. You gotta build that before you just run through a wall. So I feel like building that trust and letting them know like, you know what? I was once in your position. I know where you wanna go. Let me help you get there. Follow my steps. I can't make, I can't go play for you.

I did my thing on the field. I can't go play for you. D Jack can't go on the field and go catch a pass for you. But I can tell you what it takes to get there. And it's on you to follow me. Like I told my players, I love y'all. And I don't use that word lightly. I said, I love y'all, but it's on y'all

to make me not love y'all. You know what I'm saying? So if I turn my back on you, it's because you made me turn your back. It's not because I did anything. Cause at the end of the day, I'm coming in with love. I'm giving y'all love. I'm not coming in here trying to be your daddy.

Y'all got dads. I got kids. But at the end of the day, y'all gonna respect me.'m giving y'all love. I'm not coming in here trying to be our daddy Yeah, I got that yeah, I got kids but at the end of day y'all gonna respect me Cuz if y'all respect me, I'm gonna get you where you I'm gonna get you to where you want to go to and then a good Thing that's always a good way to always humble them is y'all are in Delaware You know what, Kel, we gonna turn it up. You gonna come to the games? Bring it back. Absolutely. You know you gotta come and put it up.

Come support it. But there ain't nothing in Delaware, so they got nothing to do but stay in them books. That's how you keep them up. Yeah, for sure. You know what's crazy, so within the past two, three days, I've been out there, I've been driving, going to get food, because obviously Dover is like,

everything's on this one strip, so we driving out, I done seen probably like 10 of my student athletes, we driving out and we in the car, they're like, coach, cause I'm like, damn, look, it's another player, there's another player. So it's like, it's real close and it's like, it's family oriented for sure. You might need that at this point in your life. Cause you say you played 15 years, you retired, you was quiet, but you still in Cali, so around all your family, your friends,

you might need that quiet life. I definitely do. And I think for me, man, this is a great time because those who really know me, after my 15-year career was over, I retired in 2022 when I played for the Ravens. So right when I retired, I got both my kids full time. And their mom wasn't around.

So I think that really helped me too. And that really like put some discipline in. Because if I didn't have them, I would've probably been traveling, spending money, blowing money. I't have them, I would have probably been traveling, spending money, blowing money. I would have been everywhere. Because obviously people don't understand. So it's not only 15 years, it's the three years before that.

And maybe one or two years before that when I was in high school, because I was a high profile player coming out of high school. So you got to think all them years of nonstop working out, training, this, that, and the third. So it was 2022 when I retired where I was like, I could have really just splurged and just went crazy, but I got my kids full time.

So that really helped me sit down. And I was taking them to school, picking them up, taking them to sports and doing a lot of things. So I think last year was like, all right, hold on. I just did that for a whole year. I said, now it's time. I can't be the baby daddy and the baby mama. I said, I gotta go coach.

Went to go coach for my older brother, Coach Clark, who's in the building. I just give a huge shout out to coach Clark He's a huge inspiration on life and not only to my life man to a lot of a lot of young man He put a lot of young guys into college active college players right now that are ballers man I'm excited for his journey because this was a dream come true for him to get this spot in this position And he's coming with you he come I made him my assistant head coach, man. Because just for everything he meant to me and what he did, I mean it's a dream come true, man. He's leaving his family, he's leaving his daughters,

he left his school that we just built something crazy that's never been happening in 100 years, and he coming, man, so I just wanna tell you I appreciate you big brother. Congratulations. What about the show? I wanna ask you something. Like I said, even with the coaching thing

at Woodrow Wilson High School, there's things that people don't amplify. I didn't know that you had custody of your kids. Cause you moved the other way around, right? Yeah, not a real song. The daddy wasn't around. Why wasn't the mother around? So some personal things went down.

So we was trying to work out our situation and throughout our situation, I was actually, I was playing for the Los Angeles Rams in 2021. And throughout that period of time, you know, we was back and forth on and off for about six or seven years. And it just came a point in time where we couldn't really figure it out. She left and, you know,

start dealing with some individual and the principles didn't align. You know what I'm saying? The guy she was dealing with didn't align to what I was preaching and doing over here. And we kind of just didn't see eye to eye. We didn't talk. We lost communication. And for me, like I'm a very respectful man.

And I understand when you're in a partnership and you have kids with somebody, you have to align. And if things don't align, like I'm not finna have my kids be around somebody that I can't talk to them or I can't know where their location is or I'm not going for that. Like my dad installed principles in me and I would never turn my back on my kids. So I'm very influential in my kids' life.

And yeah, so it just went and we didn't talk and I was like, ah, I'm grabbing my kids. And it was nothing too personal back then and I just had to grab my kids, man. For me, that was like, I could not be one of them dads that's just not around, man. And then you got two boys, so. Two boys and I love them at that for sure.

So it wasn't like a court situation? Nah, I mean, it almost got to some court stuff, but we really figured it out before then and so it didn't really have to get messy because you know, them courts, it's public. You try to hide, you try to close case and all that and it just kind of got too out there. So I was like, you know what, let me just get them

and she granted them to me and stuff. And then we just kind of did like that, but it's good now because now that I'm coaching, she ain't dealing with the dude no more. And like me and her is cool now. So I'm like, all right, cool. You're gonna help me out. I'm about to get this full-time coaching job.

The kids could come back with you and you know where everything's good. So them two years, it was tricky, though, but we good now. Now, you're from L.A. Is your family okay? We got the fire. Yeah, man, it's crazy. So I'm supposed to be going back Saturday. I'm gonna actually stay in town for the Eagle game on Sunday,

but my mom's here. She came in town for it. But yeah, like, my family is kind of more on the outskirts, but a lot of people in L.A., man, it's, you know,'s crazy, and I just want to pray for my city man. Hopefully everything gets you know I just got to ask you know before you leave mm-hmm. You know the Eagles and Giants rivalry was was crazy I've been to one game in Philly, and I told myself I'll never go back just to fit the fans of Philly It's different. Yeah, it's crazy. I've never seen nothing like that. I had a baby with me and they was still. He said I had a baby. I was like, we don't care.

We don't care. Fuck that newborn. Yeah, fuck that newborn. I'm like, Jesus. But what did you think about the Giants? Letting the Seekhwan go. Letting the Seekhwan go. Yeah, I mean, honestly, that was the stupidest thing

you could have ever did. It was crazy. I think like one of the, so it was like a front office guy who was actually on the Eagles He worked for the Eagles and then like he went to to New York and he was in the room cuz I remember when they was Making the decision and I seen I'm like man He used to work for Philly and it's crazy come sitting there listening to what they're talking about that like oh, yeah

You know he yeah, okay here, but uh, you know We could we could probably just let him go like we're not gonna pay him and I'm just listening to the conversation And I see a year, not even a year later He's killing it killing at a high level and I think you know Sometimes it's just the reunion like you need that fresh start you need that energy because you know when you're at a team I hope none of y'all giants fans bro when you're at it. No, hell no. I'm I am a giant Can we put uh, you know't know what we're talking about. Saquon signed it so I gotta turn it this way.

I'm a cowboy fan. Giants ain't even bad but... That's what I said, cowgirl. I'm a cowboy killer. Talk that talk. You mustn't do your homework in that. I know, I know. My daddy was a cowboy fan. He is a cowboy fan. I'm grandfathered in.

Every year he say he go in the Subo, every year. That's what they say, my boy, I got a best friend he was a die hard Cowgirl fan, my bad, oh, Cow. Cowgirl, you say right here, Cowgirl fan in like every year. Oh, this our year, this our year, this our year. Then middle way through the season, ah, nah, maybe next. I'm like, bro, y'all need to just get rid of Jerry Jones, man. Once y'all get rid of him, then y'all might be alright.

You spoke to Jerry Jones the other day. I saw him the other day, I saw him in St. Bart's and I told him, I said, man, we gotta get this shit together. And he hit me with some rich white man shit like, well yeah, we zigged when we was supposed to zag, but it don't matter. I'm like, what the fuck? Like, what's up with me?

Ziggy Jones is zagged, he zigged me. Yeah, that's the bad deal. And I'm Ravens. Ravens, oh yeah, you're lagging there. We good. Lamar Jackson went crazy this year. He did. What y'all predicting on the Super Bowl?

I actually think Baltimore. Baltimore and the Lions. I don't know why I got a feeling about Baltimore. It was though. Baltimore and the Phillies probably. Somebody said it cheese. I think Eagles gonna get this shit. Well actually Baltimore,

I wanna say Baltimore and the Phillies, but I think Baltimore and the Lions. Lions, I like that. I like that. That could be a potential. Eagles look good. But I wanted to say too, a lot of these coaches are leaving,

especially like older white coaches, because they say they can't handle these kids. And these NIL deals. And that's why I think it's good for guys like you, because you made damn near 100 million in the league. And I think the one thing that they're missing, yeah, they might be making some money now, but there's a whole bigger, bigger, bigger bag

to get later. And I think only guys that have done it like yourself can relate to them kids like that. So that means you support me, right? Yeah, absolutely. Charlie Manning, supporting D Jack, man. That's love, man. You mean that at HBCU, yeah.

We asked for a helmet, but they said you only have one. No, don't worry, I got y'all. We gonna take it. No, for real, I'm gonna lock in with y'all, whatever y'all need. And then on the road, they said you only have one helmet. Whatever y'all need. Nah, I'm serious, we want a helmet to put him up there.

I got you. I got my Hampton helmet up there, my H-U helmet. I like this, we support the HBCU. My bad, I thought it was Howard, my bad. Nah, I'm serious, we want a helmet to put him up there. I got you. I got my Hampton helmet up there, my H.U. helmet. I promise you. You know, I like this. We support the HBCU's heavy. I thought it was Howard, my bad. Nah, I saw this Hampton. And we don't salute Eddie George enough either. They always talk about Mike Vick and Deon.

Yeah, for sure. Eddie George does this thing over there too, man. Nah, we definitely come out in support, definitely. And I saw what Deon said about you. He just like, everybody need to wrap their arms around your stuff. Has he always been in your corner like that? Yeah, Deon's always been a big influence for me, man.

I think going back to when I was in high school, man, he used to reach out to me and had an opportunity to sit with him a few times, one fish with him a few times. Just really pick his brain, man. I think he's a special dude, man. Him and Jerry Rice are like my two mentors, so to have two guys like that in my corner, man,

every step of the way, even like while I was playing, even before I got to the league. So, I mean, that ain't just a post, he's just posting like, we really locked in and we got a real great relationship. And he's helping out a lot. Like my thing, I think, you know, in our culture, we don't give flowers to people

that really like support us and help us out. I definitely want to give Coach Promise flowers because he's for the culture, he is the culture. I think he's doing some great things and a lot of people still hating on him, like at a big level, man. What his sons is doing, like, that's a dream come true, man, for any man, and I know they be like,

oh, he daddy balling, and all he's doing. I don't care, man. If you got an opportunity to coach your kids and see them at the highest level and succeed like that, I hope you become the first pick. Man, I hope, you know what? Oh, nah, y'all can't get him, well. Meet their pick. The Tennessee Titans might be able to do it. Patriots. Don't they got the first pick. I hope, you know what? Oh, no, y'all can't get him. Well, the Tennessee Titans might be able to do it. Patriots.

Don't they got the first, the Tennessee Titans? The Titans and the Patriots and then the Giants. Whoever it is, they need to make it a package deal, man. Let the daddy and the coach, man, go in. They probably come back and get Shiloh later on. Maybe get Travis out of the two. You never know. The Primes had some slick shit on Walu and Gilly's show that I picked it up.

He was like, I would coach in the NFL if I could coach my two sons on a team. I'm like, oh, I see what he did. I know a little something that, the only way he ain't going back to Colorado is something like that happen. And I know Deon, man, he's a, yeah, he like that. We might see that.

It might be crazy. I would love for the Giants to pick him up. Giants. We might see that. It might be crazy. I would love for the Giants to pick him up. Giants? We need a quarterback. Y'all won a non-meaningful game? That was stupid as hell. I wanted to ask, do y'all ever, I mean in the NFL, do y'all ever just say, like, there's no sense of winning this game?

Let's not win this game. Does that conversation happen? I can't account for that. I'm now higher up potentially, yeah, because they want them number one picks. I believe that happens, but as a player, you go out there playing around, you're going to get hurt. And one injury in your career,

so it's not really worth going out there trying to BS and mess around at Terrier ACL or be knocked out on. You got to think, them grown men on that field, they taking care of their families, and they want their bonuses, so it's a lot of money riding on them games. So I field, they taking care of their families and they want their bonuses. So it's a lot of money riding on them games. So I never partake in none of that. I can't speak for nobody else, but I ain't ever.

They should have just pulled some of the players out. Let's pull him out for this play. He's injured. Let's pull this one out. It meant nothing for them to win that game. Nothing. Like come on. We sucked the whole week. That was the first home win.

You feel me? Like, come on, what are we doing? That's the only game I ain't go to. I'm like, I'm not going to get, we gonna lose this one. And they win, I'm sitting in the house like, what the fuck is going on? Nah, that's crazy, man. Oh man, well we appreciate you for joining us.

Absolutely, congratulations again, man. Thank you, man. Absolutely, we gonna be out there to support. It's not gonna be an every situation, right? You not gonna, you ain't gonna end up quitting before the, okay, okay. No, nothing I do I quit in life, man. It's stupid.

We gonna be there to support. Everything, all going, I just wanna tell y'all too, man. Y'all been killing it with y'all show, man. Been watching y'all for a long time. Rest in peace, Nipsey Hussle, that's my brother, man. Got a great relationship with him, man. But I've been watching y'all and seeing y'all do y'all thing, man, y'all keep going, man. Take it off, man, for real.

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