The Breakfast Club - DJ Akademiks On "Dusty" Rappers, Reginae Carter, Meek Mill, 6ix9ine, Contributions To Culture + More

Episode Date: September 28, 2022

DJ Akademiks On "Dusty" Rappers, Reginae Carter, Meek Mill, 6ix9ine, Contributions To Culture + MoreSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And you just pissed off everybody? You know what the funny part about it is? Let me tell you this. It's really when they select a nigga every single time where it's like, yo, we all attacking him. You know what I mean? It's Aaron then. And by the way, just one of those weeks. Like, it's not my first time, so I'm handling it a little bit better.

So I know, like, you know, after this tough week, it gets a little bit better. But, you know, I ain't choosing. I've always, by the way, here's the thing. I always, every opinion I'm giving or every opinion that's pissing everybody off, it's not like I'm just shooting out hot takes. If I'm just shooting out hot takes or shit to, like, be, like, shocking, I'd be like, damn, man, I'm tweaking.

But a lot of these things are, like, you know, again, and I don't know if you want to just jump into it. Go, go, go. Essentially, people are taking a 30 or 40 or 60-second clip out of me streaming for five hours. And I'm talking about all type of things. I'm breaking things down. I'm having full in-depth conversation, full of context.

And obviously, if you got to be – you guys do radio. I'm breaking things down. I'm having full in-depth conversation full of context. And obviously if you gotta be... You guys do radio. I think so. I think so. But even like when you have to talk to a crowd or talk to any audience live for four or five hours and you gotta be entertaining. You got some jokes in there. You got some tongue

in cheek comments. And those are the shit they're only focused on. Nobody wants to talk about nothing actually solid. Like, yo, he said all the OGs are broke and dusty. I didn't say that. And also, that wasn't even the context of the conversation. You did say that. I didn't say all. You didn't say all.

I didn't say all. I said some of them are. I want to ask you about that, right, because you said something. You said you didn't choose this, but you did. Because whenever you choose to have an opinion on something you're making a choice to talk about somebody and you know you might offend not disagree when i said i didn't choose like this timing is that if anyone knows internet culture what i'm saying is that they could pick me in any week because i'm giving the same takes every week

i'm not it's not like i not like I'm toning it down. Oh, you've said this before. Yes! I've said all these things and not your opinion. So it's one of those things where it's like cancellation and people who claim they woke. You know what I mean? A lot of times when they want to go at you, it's new. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's not like they're like, oh. So for everyone that's seen it for the first time, they're like, oh, he's tweaking this week. Yeah, yeah, yeah. People call me, they're like, yo, you should tone it down. I'm like, nigga, this is what I've been saying for the last three years. So let's get some structure. I want to start with the DJ academics. That's what I see first. People are like, is he a DJ?

Is he not a DJ? We're still talking about that, though. That's the craziest thing. I was like, I thought he answered that before. No, no, but you know what's so funny about that conversation? The mere fact we're still talking about, you know, even that. It was trending. But I think only a certain subset of the population still has this very rigid,

what does it mean to be a DJ? Just like how, you know, even now people have this rigid definition of what it means to be a journalist. You know what I mean? Like, think about it. There's a lot of new media platforms owned by entrepreneurs. They have the editorial control over things that you could see as journalism. Are they journalists? Like, a lot of things are being blurred.

Now, number one, let's— Also, you're new to a lot of people. Even though you've been doing this for, like, 13 years, some people might have just found out about you this year or over the last couple of weeks. Listen, I ain't going to lie. A lot of the guys who—by the way, I looked up to most of them that responded. And by the way, I'm going to say all. 95% of the people who responded to me in terms of, like, OGs, they weren't broken, Dusty.

There was 5% that weren't, though. I ain't gonna lie. But the 95% of them, those guys, I'm like, these are the success stories. But even then, y'all omitted the context. I was talking about passing on game. I was talking about educating the next generation rather than criticizing them. And I was like, sometimes y'all don't understand why they might not listen to y'all. One of the reasons they might not listen to y'all, y'all fucked up whether they signed a contract, bad contract, or whatever pitfalls you kind of get into in this game, you never passed it on. You never passed that knowledge on.

No, you're absolutely right. So you're not a DJ. Academics doesn't DJ anymore. You DJ when you was in college. I still consider myself a DJ. Do I got a DJ every day to be a DJ or no? He doesn't. I DJ every day.

He don't DJ every day. I DJ every day. You don't spit back? no? He doesn't. He don't DJ every day. You don't spit back out? No, he don't. He does not DJ up here no more. I DJ every morning. I go in that room and then I do my mixes. So you still DJ? No, I don't DJ professionally anymore.

I started out DJing. And then I got into media. And then pretty much, listen, I'm an entrepreneur at first. You know what I mean? So people be hemmed up over the DJ name. I'm academics regardless. So if you want to call me DJ, I'm a big-ass nigga. That's what it is.

So I'm not over here trying to, oh, drop the DJ from my name. I'm still me. When was the last time you was up here? What, 10 years ago? 2013. 2013. 11 years ago. So your first interview ever was with me.

Yeah. 11 years. So your first interview ever was with me. Yeah. Your first. My first interview outside of just talking to regular people was with you. And I remember, and this is why I give you so much credit, there's a lot of backstories to it. I want you to explain that backstory because I want people to know how long you've been doing this. Yeah, so 2013, I'm trying to get into the media game. I was just never somebody who I was

bad at networking. And I'm still bad at networking because even though I'm quote, quote, you know, gained some popularity, a lot of people don't know me still because I'm not out there shaking hands, hanging around, right? I do me and if you know about me, cool. These days, a niche, you could live completely off a niche. I've always thought I had a niche. So when I see hanging around, right? I do me, and if you know about me, cool.

These days, a niche, you could live completely off a niche. I've always thought I had a niche. So when I see everybody in the mainstream reacting to the niche, I'm like, oh, shit. It's cool. But anyway, back then, I'm just trying to get interviews with everybody, and I'm just hitting up everybody. I'm trying to like, yo, can I sit down with you for 20 minutes? I make it comfortable.

I'll go to wherever you at, and I'm hitting up everybody. Me and Charlamagne, I used to always listen to Breakfast. I follow his career and kind of study because I've always wanted to study the greats. So I've studied his career a lot. And, you know, I was one of those people where I'm also not a dick rider, so I used to try to challenge him, like, nah, you were wrong here. You know what I mean? And we kind of developed a rapport on Twitter.

And I thought that was cool because I didn't know nobody famous, right? I'm like, damn, I didn't want to seem like I was asking or begging and I expected a no. So one day I just DMed him. I'm like, yo, I'm starting to do some interviews. Would you let me interview you? And he actually said, yeah, come up to the station. No running around, no nothing. And that was like one of the realest shit I've ever seen. You know what interview you? And he actually said, yeah, come up to the station. No running around, no nothing.

And that was like one of the realest shit I've ever seen. You know what I mean? You did that little room over there, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, you know, that's how I kind of got my start. You know, and, you know, I give him credit for that because, you know, he was just a real individual. Like, I think a lot of people would have just turned it down or a lot of people would just ignore me. You know what I mean?

And I think about that now when, you know, I try to still remain humble and remember that there's somebody else who's trying to be me. And also one of the things, you know, because I don't know if you remember this. After we did the interview, I texted you. I said, listen, I just want to keep an open line of communication from you. And that was me asking for mentorship. Basically say, I'm not going to abuse the fact that you gave me a chance to talk to you and now I got your number and be like, yo, can I get a job

with a hot nice, no, not hot nice, I mean power, whatever the case is. No, I didn't want no handouts, but I would love if you see me doing something for you to be like, nah, or yo, hey, you could do it better here, just kind of give me mentorship. It's very important for anybody who's coming up in the game.

He did that. You know what I mean? In a lot of situations over the years, he's always reached out and just showed me a lot of love. And, you know, I hope that I've not only reciprocated, but also I look at it for other people coming in the game. You know what I mean? Again, going back to some of the things that people are mad at me about. Granted, the broken, dusty thing is triggering. You know what I mean?

It seems very, and actually it is very disrespectful so you're saying with that so you immediately was disrespectful I mean if I call a nigga broken dusty like it's not

there's no way to say oh this is great right but I wasn't talking about everybody it was a four hour conversation basically

saying you feel that a lot of these older artists and I'll even take it outside of older artists older DJs should look out for the people coming up so they don't do the same thing that they did, the pitfalls that they did. You got to pass the ball.

And also, when we think about even our Legends of Pioneer, because LL responded, and I want to salute to LL. I think everything he said was right. So let me put that on the table. I agree 100% with everything he said. However, 80% of what he said wasn't focused on what I was saying because he got off center. He said, well, you're equating money to contribution and respect and all that. That's not what I was saying.

That's not what I was saying at all. You know what I mean? I'm never questioning the contribution or not appreciating the contribution of anyone who came before me. And I'm never saying that money is the only thing that validates that contribution. I was more so. And again, you know, the way I use my platform, I try to be very transparent. That's what gets me in trouble too. I'm mad transparent. Like I let people know what's really going on behind these industry doors. It's the best that I know. The best everything I hear and see. So

I could educate somebody else because I was that super fan. I was sitting at home listening to The Breakfast Club every fucking morning wondering is that real? Is this like, what's the real shit going on? So like, once I got fortunate enough to kind of like peek through the window and then I saw through the crack of the door,

I'm trying to pass that knowledge along. I don't see that a lot in hip-hop. I don't think people be passing that knowledge along. I thought you asked a valid question, and the valid question is, if you invented hip-hop, if you're one of the founders of hip-hop, why are you not financially well-off? Now, we know LL answered that, and he gave some great reasons. So the next thing to me is, how

do we make sure that these founding fathers are taken care of financially? I agree. I mean, listen, and it's interesting, you know, I listened to your response to it, and you're right. I think anytime I bring up any valid points in hip-hop, granted,

I'm going to keep saying it, if you only go for that clip, you're just going to take offense to it. And I understand that. But usually people just attack me. People don't want to talk about these real conversations. Get a punching bag. They don't want to talk about, okay, alright, cool.

Y'all had your whole week. Everybody responded to me. Y'all cracked y'all jokes back. I got it. Cool. I'm taking it. But let's further the conversation now. Are we down to talk about the actual conversation? Are we down to talk about helping out some of these guys who are some of the founding fathers? It shouldn't take the guy

you hate or the guy who's irrelevant or the guy you didn't know to actually bring up the conversation about well, a lot of the pioneers, some of their business weren't in order. Shoot, financially, they should be doing way, way well off compared to like what's actually going on for some. I'm not saying all. Right. And I don't know if people want to have those conversations. But do you feel like and I'm sure you do. Do you feel like the industry never wants to have a conversation?

It always wants to attack you because when Russell Simmons, you know, said what he said, right? Yeah. Out in Bali, your reply was we could have this conversation, but you have to have a conversation with me Simmons said what he said, right? Yeah. Out in Bali. Your reply was, we can have this conversation, but you're going to have to have a conversation with me about the shit that you're doing too. That's a stab back. That's a stab. That wasn't just a, you know, let me talk to Russ. That was like, all right, Russ, I got you, but let's have this conversation about you, my nigga.

No, no, no. I don't even really care because, again, I think we've beaten that horse too. So I'm not the nigga trying to, I ain't trying to handle birds to shit back around. You know what I mean? I'm just saying, I always say this. I've been trying to live by this, you know, motto a bit, a little more. I'm like, if you're going to dig a grave for somebody, make sure you dig one for yourself, too. You know what I mean? This whole thing where we all attack one person, just remember it's going to be your day.

It's all a circular fire in sport. Absolutely. All of it. I've had weeks where I see, oh, we all attack one person, just remember it's going to be your day. It's all a circular fire in sports. Absolutely. All of it. I've had weeks where I see, oh, we all jumping him? All right, fuck it. Well, I know some shit about him, too. We've all been jumped up before. I get jumped all the time.

We got jumped before. Well, physically, which you want to. Yeah, physically, we want to. But, so, once it was my week, and that's what I'm saying, it's not my first week. I was just like, all right, cool. I'm going to take it this week. It's cool. Everybody was doing well this week. You good mentally? I'm saying, it's not my first week. I was just like, all right, cool. I'm going to take it this week. It's cool. Everybody was doing well.

They say, you good? Mentally, I'm like, it's fine. It's fine. But we should probably advance the conversations. We're not good with having conversations. I'll give you another thing that they usually try to jump me on. They're like, yo, well, you built your brand off exploiting the death of black kids in Chicago. Chicago, one shot, right?

Now, here's a bigger discussion. Okay, cool, cool. Y'all got me for the week. Y'all got me for those moments y'all said. Are we going to talk about, you know what I mean, the effect? Like, we just had Rolling Loud. They took like five drill rappers off of it. There's mad killings that are happening because of music that's actually promoting the shit.

We look on DSPs. Those songs are at the top of playlists. Are we going to talk about those bigger issues? Or, nah, let's put the Band-Aid over that. Let's attack ACK. And I'm not only saying I'm the only person that gets attacked. I'm just saying, could anybody bring up some valid points in hip-hop and actually have serious discussions?

And, by the way, that's why I'm down to talk to LL. And I'm going to talk to T.I. T.I. reached out, too. You know, T.I. is hilarious. T.I. was like, trying to talk to me. I said, yo, listen, man, my birthday festivities starts today. Oh, y'all did talk? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Okay, okay, okay. But we don't have an official talk today. I mean, it was his birthday, so we didn't want to do too much. But, yeah. And I told you, too, I hit you this week, and I said, you know, your tone is going to cause people to not hear you either. That's a fact. Because that's why I'm like, I know you're not going to talk to LL like that in person.

And I understand when you're performing, it's performative, right? Okay, okay. But if you was actually talking to LL, it'd be a respectful conversation. I would stand on every point. I believe you would. My points wouldn't change. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Even when people saw when I got my first big opportunity, I guess, in the quote-unquote industry, like when I got on Everyday Struggle, yeah, obviously that's a different way of communicating than my stream. So yeah, the tone changed. But even if I was wrong or quote-unquote wrong to most people about any point, I still stood on it. You know what I mean? So again, of course, I'm on the stream, which by the way, as a broadcaster, I've been learning that a lot. Like, you know, this recent thing about, you know, even with Toya,

I did a tone check before because I knew that I was going to get lost in it. You know what I mean? I knew I was going to get lost in it. But I do have to say, like, you know, this is a newer medium, which I think a lot of people should be understanding. I live stream. I live stream discussing hip-hop topics. Okay? And I do it on Twitch.

And you're drinking. And I'm drinking. But also, I'm trying to entertain people. Like, when it's you versus the whole feeling is just you as a microphone, nigga, you better be funny. You better have some jokes. You better be, you got to be a little theatric.

You can't just be there just monotone. Shit ain't going to work. So at times when you're discussing things, right, if it's clipped, and my clips always either look super hilarious or damn, he's disrespectful. You know what I mean? Now, I have a spirit of the bass. I really love hip-hop. I love this culture. You know what I mean? Now, I have a spirit of the bass. I really love hip-hop. I love this culture.

You know what I mean? It's given me everything. It's allowed me to retire my mom. I love it. But I'm passionate. And that's why I'm trying to learn as a broadcaster. But even then, it's hard to control where I could just immediately know that, oh, they're going to clip this part. Get your tone in check.

You do understand why Toy is mad, though. Of course. Even, alright, so I didn't hear a clip because it was so, and what reference did you call her daughter a bitch if you called her a bitch? Okay, so I didn't necessarily refer to her as a bitch. I was speaking about,

right, a public relationship that's been posted on Shade Room and everywhere else, and that's another thing. Everybody keeps saying, yo, Ack, why are you commenting on these things? We're in an age that people are monetizing their relationships. You can't, like, I monetize my life, and if I share stuff, I can't be like, yo, Sean, why you talked about that, dog? That's facts.

Now, granted, there's sensitive areas there, and that's where I wanted to make sure when I addressed it, my tone was right. Number one, she's a black woman. Right? Toya and, of course, Regine, right? I was extrapolating from commenting directly on that relationship to making a larger point. I'll try to break it down simply. And it was really also, I'm riffing.

I'm cracking jokes. Cracking jokes, okay? And I even said it on, I think she had Shady Room posted, and I said, listen, it was a joke. And by the way, I did say the B word. I retracted it one second later. I said, I shouldn't say that because her name was slightly associated with it, right? So I was talking about Regine. I said, it's kind of interesting and funny.

I'm cracking jokes. Yo, she was with Wyeth and Lucy. Puerto said, it's kind of interesting and funny. I'm cracking jokes. Yo, she was with Wyeth and Lucci. Puerto Rico, she smooth just dipped on that dude. She got, like, the opposite of, like, his archetype, which I'm just saying a gangster, right? I'm like, I know a lot of, and that's when I use the word. I know a lot of the B-words, and I shouldn't say that, a lot of women who do the same thing. You get what I mean? Yeah, the B-word is a conundrum, right?

Because it's like the N word. You know, when you use it the way you used it or when you hear it in music, it doesn't bother you. But if somebody called your mama that, a woman that you loved that, now you up in arms. So I even, you know, even when you see the rappers getting upset, I'm like, well, y'all use that in your music all the time. You see, that's another.

But I get it, though. I get it from both. I understand both sides. But I will say this, right? You use the word so much, it frequently just comes out. But he didn't say that bitch this day or that day. If he said that bitch, oh, let me, I apologize. I shouldn't have used that. I don't think we should use the word at all. You know, it's funny.

He didn't say, like, fuck that bitch. He cleared himself up. I cleared it up. And by the way, I didn't hear it, so that's what I'm asking. Immediately. I shouldn't say, like, fuck that bitch. He cleared himself up. I cleared it up. And by the way, you see. I didn't hear it, so that's what I'm asking. Immediately. Like, I shouldn't say that. And then I'd say, like, woman or something that was definitely much more appropriate. But here's the point. And just because I know people don't even want to have these discussions,

they'd rather just say, even though you cleared it up a second earlier and we don't like you this week and this is a perfect clip. By the way, Toya said, listen, I don't know if... Toya told you that you act like a bitch. She did. Hold on. You know what I said? Because she was like, don't talk about my child like that. I'm like, damn,

but you're talking about my mama's child. You're talking about me. Listen, first of all, I'm not commenting on a kid here. She's 23 years of age. She's having a public relationship. And by the way, I've commented on this a lot i think people also think um and maybe i'm having a problem with this i don't know if y'all do i still look at shit like the nigga in the comment section and i still comment on shit because i don't and also granted because i don't know these people i'm i'm not trying to be disrespectful but i'm also not sugarcoating shit like oh no oh, no, this is, you know, I could comment on Aria Moneybagg,

but this right here, oh, no, no, you can't talk about it. I talk about everything. Just like when if you read the comment section on the Shade Room, my Instagram, niggas in there give it up, but they tell you what they really feel. I still be out here telling you. You talk like a Twitter nigga. I talk like a Twitter nigga.

I always say this, though, when you have a child, right? Yeah, yeah. Like with me, like my family. Talk about me all day. You know, they make jokes about me all day. Left, right, up, down. I'm gay this week. I'm not gay this week.

Me and Charlamagne's dating this week. I don't care. Don't bring me in this. I'm bringing you in this. You be gay on your own, okay? But when it comes to outside of that, somebody might think it's a joke, even with Desus and Mero. They thought it was a joke. I didn't play with my wife as a joke.

Nah, that's different, though. You see what I'm saying? That's different. Would you consider your wife as a public figure? You could because we wrote a joke. Leaving with Desus and Mero. They thought it was a joke. I didn't play with my wife as a joke. Nah, that's different though. You see what I'm saying? That's different. Would you consider your wife as a public figure? You could because we wrote a book. Well, at that time, she was not a public figure. I don't think so. No.

If I talk about one of the Charlemagne kids who nobody knows, and by the way, I'm guessing they're probably like under 18, it's different than you have a relative. Like, for example, I'll give you an example, right? My mom, I just retired her. And she told me, she said, well, son, you know, I'm a Jamaican mom. I gotta keep busy. I know you're gonna give me money this and third, but I need to do

something. So she told me, she said, I wanna do a YouTube channel. And I'm talking her out of it. Hell no. I said, hell no. You get what I mean? Unless you can handle that. Unless you can handle the slander that your mom is gonna get because of you. But it depends on what the channel is. No, no, no hell no. You get what I mean? Unless you can handle that. Unless you can handle the slander that your mom is going to get because of you. But it depends on what the channel is. No, no, no, no, no.

If she's cooking. It don't matter. It was a cooking channel. No, no, no. It don't matter. It don't matter. She don't have to know. They're going to slander the shit out of her.

Nah, they're going to know it's my mom. Trust me. And that's what the conversation is. I'm trying to say, Mom, I've shielded my entire family from all the hate and vitriol I get online because I signed up for this. I would rather you not get into that life because just off proximity to me, you're going to have to deal with some hate, ridicule. And honestly, if you want to be a public figure by now getting into this life, it's fair game. So you know how I could control it? Ma, nah.

Let's try to figure out something else. Because the moment she started, she starts doing that. She's a public figure, especially when you're sharing your life. So with that said, you know, you wouldn't want somebody to talk about your mom the way you might talk about other women. Or other people, right? No, it's not that I wouldn't want them to talk about it. Because that's not the thing. Could you handle that though? You heard somebody calling your mom the B word.

Well, if my mom was a public figure, I would absolutely have to handle it. If she's a public figure, yes. Say my mom gets in an argument. Say my mom becomes a public figure and she's on one of these housewives shows. She loves those little shows. And now, she does something and whatever the internet chatter is,

is that they're calling my mom the B word. By the nature of knowing what this comes with, we're all monetizing off our lives, our brands, shit that's public. We're monetizing for the clicks. We're monetizing for the conversation. Let's not be hypocrites to say you could only control the conversation. You got to keep it nice with my moms. No.

My mom got to be able to handle number one. And by the way, it's much more than me handling. It's my mom. I've had 10 years of training. People comment about my weight all the time. I'm numb to it. I'm numb to it. At first, I was in my feelings.

For real? Of course. Not because they're excessive. Like, oh, my people, they be all this shit. Them should be funny, though. When I go to your page, bro. The comments they be making be funny as shit. But not for nothing, black man to black man, you got to lose some weight.

Stop drinking so much, bro. You go. No, no, no. Not with the drinking, but you definitely. You drink it too. You go hard. Drinking and weight. You got it.

You got it. No, no. The drinking, I think is decent. The weight. What? What? You be blacking out sometimes. You passed out on the screen, Mac.

That's not because of liquor, though. I'm tired. Yo, I told you I sleep four hours a night, and I'll sleep two to three in the middle of the day. That's why I don't stream at nights no more. Like, my audience wants me to stream at nights. Like, even when I slept, I fell asleep. I fell asleep while i listened to the

drake album which one the new one yo drake hit me and say yo act oh said, yo, please listen to this one privately. He said, don't go on stream and do the first listen. But, no, no. It was Turn 5, Little Boy. Okay. I listened to it once, and on my stream, we played again.

So it was the second listen, and I fell asleep. That album was delayed. Bro, it's 3.45 in the morning, and we're listening to music. That's another thing I don't like about music. Yo, 3.45 in the morning. I know I cater to super fans, but, like, bro. That's wild. I'm tired, man. And, like, you know, you have to be energetic the whole time.

I'm like, man, I'm tired, so I'm listening to the music so it's passive. I'm not talking. There's no adrenaline kicking. And I'm like, I don't even know what. I'm sleeping. Sorry. All right. Let's go back to the women thing because me and you had this convo a couple of years ago.

I think it was around the Chrissy Teigen thing. And we was on the phone talking, and I was like, you know. And I hate to see people making the same mistakes that I made. So I was telling you, like, yo, you cannot be disrespecting these women. Like, you got to go easy with the bitches and the hoes and this and that. By the way, the Chrissy Teigen thing was, I believe, I think very different than this. I don't even remember what it was. Well, that was aimed at her.

And that was definitely very, like, you know. You called her a bitch too, right? Yeah, it was hateful too. You know what I mean? I think that's the thing because let's think about all these colloquial words we use, right? Somebody might just be on some holistic shit to say, I should stop saying nigga, but you could

use nigga in all types of different contexts. Same with the word bitch. There's a lot of people who use bitch in a positive way and a negative way. When I used it for her, and that's why I did apologize, it was very hateful, and it was because I felt she slighted me at one point. And at that

time, I was just, like, super upset. How did she slight you? So, you know, and by the way, I hate to even explain it. These are one of these things where, like, I treat it almost like DV in a way. I know I'm getting a little deep. But, like, it don't matter if Shorty hits you. You can't do nothing back. You just got to take it.

Anyway, a couple years before, she says something to me. Oh, 6ix9ine just went to jail. That's what happened. Just went to jail. Everybody's getting their jokes in. She throws up on her Twitter a meme with me and 6ix9ine looking sexual and basically putting it out there like we gay or some shit. You feel me?

Now, granted, I'm Jamaican. I was born in Jamaica. I mean, that's not some shit, especially you know, especially if it's not true. You know, we have done against, you know, people from the LGBTQ community, but that was not true. And you're also trying to make a joke of somebody I know that went to jail and also you're trying to, you know,

put this out about me, like, whatever. She did it like twice. I ain't saying nothing in the moment because really, I know everybody roasts in six nights, but it happened. But I held it. And I held that until it all came out that one night of the stream when I saw a John Legend flop. And I'm seeing her tweet every two days trying to cancel another motherfucker. And I'm like, why don't you promote your man album just like how you be on Twitter doing a whole lot of bullshit?

But obviously, that's when those words came out. Now, granted, and this is why I said there was some growth. By the way, thank you. We had a great talk about that. There was some growth in the sense of, I know when she was being canceled as well. And I remember everybody started to circle back around coming to me. Like, yo, what do you feel about it? And I said, you know,

having been that person who, that was another bad week. I understood what she was going through you know what I mean I understood a lot of people were laughing when she said well you know I'm depressed like I have to turn my phone off but I'm depressed without it and I felt bad for her

more than you know thinking that oh you know what finally she's getting what I felt at that moment so you know in that sense I was super hateful with it. And that's the only reason why I say it's different. I think they're taking this one a little bit out of context just because, yes, I did use the word, which, by the way,

it was interesting when people did get mad at me at first. Some people were like, oh, it's because you used the word bitch. And then everybody just saying bitch all over the place because it does matter to context. It definitely does, right? And we can't all be like, oh, Ack, you said the word bitch. Let's just erase bitch because here's the thing. I'm down for any rules.

Is everybody going to stop saying it? We should. Will all the rappers stop rapping? Because, by the way, here's the thing, and I don't want to flip it to this angle neither. The reason why I already said this about the word nigga. I was born in Jamaica, Spanish Town, Jamaica. The first time I cognizantly ever heard the word

nigga was in the United States of America. That shit has been littered in my vocabulary through learning it socially, through music, and other methods that you get indoctrinated to it. I won't say the word bitch though, but like.

No, I think the word bitch too. We also got to think about the cultural influences to why when we're talking, why do we just constantly sprinkle these things? They're like condiments to our conversation, to our theatrics. So granted, I'll take certain blames, but are we going to have a bigger discussion about the words? Because a lot of the times I heard that word being said, I heard it being said in my favorite Wayne verse.

Right. Now, question, have you spoke to Chrissy since then? Or are you open to have a conversation with Toya? Because obviously she's upset, and I'm sure she would love to have a conversation with you. Respectful conversation, of course. I would love to have a conversation with Chrissy.ful conversation, of course. I would love to have a conversation with Chrissy. Well, I never talked to Chrissy about that.

And I would love to have a conversation with Toya. And you didn't mean no malice. You apologized to Chrissy. You didn't mean no malice for calling her daughter a bitch. You didn't mean no malice for calling her daughter a bitch. Oh, of course not. I'm cracking some lighthearted jokes. I think she's a

brilliant, fine young woman. I don't think she's like she's—I'm not trying to be hateful. Have you apologized to her yet, though? I mean, in the sense of saying I'm sorry I used the word at all? Yes. I mean, I'll apologize, and of course, I'm sorry. It's the camera right there. Now's a great time.

There's no time like the present. No, no. If she's taking it in that sense offensively, I do apologize. But I do have to say, because I don't want to apologize for something that, you know, I don't want the next time I hear me say the word bitch because it's used in mad different contexts. I'm like, didn't you just apologize? I'll be a hypocrite. So I'm not trying to hurt her feelings. So that's the apology I'll give.

I apologize if my usage of that word, even though I tried to retract it, made you feel any type of way. That was not it. And vice versa, the people who are offended at ACT using that word,

especially the rappers, they should think about that too. Next time they're in the studio and they writing their rhymes. They don't want to have that conversation.

But we should. I think these are the times to have those conversations. I can't push. Y'all got one of, well, BETt awards so y'all with the biggest platform hey y'all start that conversation let's see because y'all could bring some of these guys who don't respect me they would they'd rather just and that's what i was gonna say with toya i would love to you know have a conversation with her and i think i'm really having a conversation i won't say with her. And I think I'm really having a conversation, I won't say with her, but I think through a conduit,

I think that's why TI is stepping in. You get what I mean? But I've always been open to conversation with anyone. You can check my track record. Usually it's people who say, oh, we ain't going to talk to you. We'll put up a post, but we don't even want to engage in a conversation. Funk Flex and Sleuthaflex, I don't know if y'all beefing,

but Sleuthaflex, Flex called me, had a whole conversation with him, put me on text with a bunch of people. He's like, I want to bridge some understanding. And he also made a post on Instagram saying, yo,

he's trying to bridge some understanding through conversations. And you know what the majority of people said? Why the fuck would you talk to that clown? At that point, what could you do? So if that's how they see that, it puts me in a weird spot. Y'all are focused on what I say.

Y'all care about what I say. But if I, and I always, I was telling my brother yesterday because he's like, yo, damn, yo, you said something else. And I had to tell him, I said, listen, I do about maybe 50 hours, 50 to 60 hours of live audio or audio, you know, whether it's YouTube, podcasts, you know, my news updates per week. Extrapolate that to a year.

I'm going to say some shit that, you know, I mean, maybe I thought it was a joke. People didn't think it was a joke. And I hope to just deal with it as it goes. But there is no way I could just not offend anyone in this world. Not now. Now, what's your situation? Hold on real quick. I think another thing that's missing, too, is, like, as rappers,

just us in hip-hop have gotten older. You know, when you know better, you do better. You get older, we got kids, we get wiser. But the problem is we haven't held ourselves accountable for the things that we used to do or used to say that may be influencing a 30-year-old person like yourself. But also that's why when we had the conversation on air, I don't know if you heard it, the first thing I said was we need to talk to him. Let's call him up and bring him up here and have that conversation.

Yeah, that's respectable. Because what you did, I did. Remember, I told you, kick a pre-call and check me. But I did the same thing because I felt the same way. I was upset about something. And I used it. So I'm never upset with somebody. I always want to know why.

Are you calling Broken Dusty, too? Huh? No, I used to call him. When me and Flex and everybody was going out, I used to call him old in that. Oh. And Kid Capri pulled up on me and was like, bro, we all have ages. We all get to a point. You never want to box somebody out because of the age. We all got a birthday. We all got a birthday. True, true, true. And it stuck with me. And I was like, all, we all have ages. We all get to a point. You never want to box somebody out because of their age.

We all got a birthday. It stuck with me and I was like, alright, you're right. I'll never say that again. I'll go where anybody want, but I'll never use their age again and call them dusty or whatever it may be because you can't be mad at somebody for not having the knowledge. Because it's got to be confusing when rappers start coming at you for using the B word.

Then you're like, well, when did the memo go out that we're not using the B word no more in hip hop? Correct. You know? So I want to go back to also Meek Mill. Mm-hmm. Why don't you and Meek Mill get along? Where did that start?

Meek Mill, cool. Y'all good now. We're good now. I believe we're good. You talk. You never know. Y'all good now. A wise man once told me, man, listen, you don't ever know If you're really good with someone

Until you see them in person You know what I mean But we did talk Yeah I did talk And you squashed out Everything that you had Yeah so I want to thank

And these are people You know I hope to do this For other people too Some people think I'm an agitator But you know In the last like year

When I've been able to Try to bridge gaps Or like you know Put two people on the phone Or whatever Like I try. You know what I mean? Shit, I did it with, you know, Latin and at least travel with random beef.

Like, I try to help mend that. I was trying to help this, you know, NBA young boy in, not Dirk, but NBA young boy in Kodak situation. Because, like, especially when you're playing phone tag almost, one saying this, one saying that, I'm like, yo, listen, is there a way we can put it together? So I've always kind of been that type of person. 21 Savage did something I thought was very dope. And he gave me this explanation. He said, yo, I think it was getting to a point. He's like, when two friends are going at it, if it goes far enough, you got to pick a side.

And he basically said it was going to a point where he was going to be forced to, like, yo, are you really rocking with this nigga Ackroyd, or are you rocking over here? You know what I mean? And he put us on the phone, and I got a salute to Meek as well, because I don't think a younger Meek Mill would have been on the phone with me. And I think Meek has shown a little bit of growth. So I was down to have a conversation with him for, like, four or five years. You know what I mean?

Like, we've been on DMs, but it's never been like a real conversation. We did have a real conversation, and it was one of like, you know, let's stop the petty bullshit to each other, and if we're not going to be going all the way with it, let's try to mend and build towards something that could be like amicable. And don't mean that we're going to be best friends in a club popping bottles, but we shouldn't be at each other's necks, especially when

not necessarily our paths have to intertwine. So again, I thought that was a grown man discussion and I enjoyed it and I appreciate 21 Savage for facilitating it. Did somebody come to your house and leave a note in your mailbox? Yeah, that bum-ass nigga Rory, man.

So you and Rory are beefing and he came to your house. We weren note in your mailbox? Yeah, that bum-ass nigga Rory, man. All right, so you and Rory are beefing, and he came to your house. We weren't beefing. What's beef, though? I mean, somebody coming to your house is beef. Okay. Somebody come to my house. Thank you. Thank you.

Somebody come to my house. Okay. Not only is the dog coming out, but I'm letting everything out. Everybody's scared of that punk-ass dog. Come get some. But that dog is coming out, and then I'm letting it all go. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Come to your house.

So what happened in that case? Yeah, so no, so to me, and that's another thing I've realized, this is strength of like when I'm on a live stream. I treat it like, eventually, I was telling shows, I was like, one day I want to get up on stage because sometimes I'll be watching my own streams back home and I'm

funny as fuck. You know what I mean? So I'm on there, I'm roasting everybody and sometimes we might have a disagreement, but I don't want you to die. I don't want to kill you. I don't want to threaten your life. But I got some jokes. Maybe, like, you know what I mean? I want to just clown your beard or your chain or whatever the case is.

So I'm clowning these guys, right? It was Rory and this other dude named Mealy Ma or whatever. They were Joe Bunn's employees. And the jokes were stinging so crazy. And the whole time I'm thinking, well, if they feel that offended, they're going to just respond. There's mad things to clown me about. Like, come on, like, if you can't clown me, you're just not creative.

Didn't respond over a while, so I'm over here. I'm just having a good time. I showed one time to my mailbox, it's your Hallmark card, and it had, like, some very interesting notation. It was like, hey, happy boss day. And I was calling these dudes workers and stooges for a long time. They signed a thing that says, oh, sincerely a stooge or whatever the case is. This time, me and Meek are going at it, too.

And there's other rappers, because I'm always responding to some rapper. I have no idea who this is, who did this, right? Even though there was some kind of hints, like, damn, who did this? I look at my security cameras. Thank God. When I bought my house, the first thing I did, I got the best security cameras alive. Anyway,

I see a fucking Kia pull into my cul-de-sac. A Kia? A fucking Kia, my nigga. Like a Kia Sorento or something like that. The only thing that was a little weird, I'm like, yo, the maids usually don't show up on this day. I'm like, this ain't the postman. You know what I mean? So the Kia drives up, and it drives right by my mailbox.

So there's a long driveway down. So it's not like he's knocking on my door. It actually doesn't even enter the property, but like FedEx or whoever, they could just drop off shit in the mailbox. The door swings open. I see a fucking ginger-headed dude just kind of pop out and he reaches in, opens the mailbox, puts the thing in, and then

the car tries to speed off, but it's a Kia. So it's taking a while to spool up, but I'm like, oh, that's the dude. Still doesn't say anything. Because I'm trying to figure out how should I handle it. You know what I mean? And a lot of things, by the way, I know, I don't bring everything to the internet. As much as people think I do, there's been people who have, there's been a lot of threats or situations that I'm just not going to run online. Like, let me just show you what's going on.

You got to handle the situation personally and probably first. I guess he was trying to threaten me. So one day he tweeted at me and I get back to roasting him and he started doing the weirdest shit, which he's just self-snitching on himself. He tweeted out my zip code in five tweets with the first number of the tweet

being one number of where I live. Bingo! I know where you live at. And also, the Stoos actually even signed the lyrics. So at that point, I just thought, you know, all bets are off. Y'all niggas is gangsters. Not me. I wouldn't

show up to your house unless I'm trying to kill you. That's what I'm saying. Like, God, damn. Maybe that's how I would have to take it. If you pull up to my house, I have to think it's a threat. So that's why when everybody's, or you're there with your moms, or whoever you're there, I gotta think it's a threat. An active threat. And then when I talked to them dudes, and it was just, this was just the most, it whoever you did, I got to think it's a threat, an active threat. And then when I talked to them dudes, and this was just the most, even I got to call it the most pussy thing I've ever seen.

Because he was, like, you know, I'm going hard at him still, you know. There was some other stuff that happened. Apparently, you know, he was, like, engaged, you know what I mean? His side chick happened to come over to the crib one time. You know what I mean? My man's piped his side. It was a lot of stuff going on. His relationshiped his side. It was a lot of stuff going on. His relationship got broken up.

It's a lot of stuff. Anyway, I guess, you know what I mean? He wanted to try to resolve it. And we were talking through a few mutual people because he wanted to talk to me. That's what I heard directly. I just wasn't with him. You can't show up to my house and then you're like, let's talk. If I drop a pipe bomb on the steps of your house and then you happily or luckily don like, don't defuse it, I can't hit your blade like you're Envy.

Let's talk about this, bro. No. So I said I can't have conversations with a man who's doing these type of things. You don't even know who lives at my house. Say my mama lived there. Say, like, an older relative. Say there's kids there. You playing a dangerous game.

He's going to tell the person, yo, it wasn't me that did it. It was really my girl. My girl got guy in these killers who want Axe head, all type of dumb shit. And just the mere fact that not acknowledging that it's you and blaming on your girl, I just realized it's just some weak shit, man. So, you know. That didn't make you think about how you move differently, though, because, you know, if it's that easy for somebody to find out where you live and pull up on you. We all probably figure so.

Of course. I think about that every day. Shit. Shit happens all the time. You know, usually my people around me, like my family, they'll be more spooked. But, you know, I just try to adjust, move a little bit better. And, you know, again, we are making conscious decisions for this life. That's one thing, you know, I learned that from you.

Because, you know, again, I could have also just ran to the middle of nowhere and just fucking lived in a bunker. But, shit, I like a couple nice cars. Shit, I bought some jewelry. You're going to have to deal with some consequences or you're going to have to adjust to make sure that you're okay. Now, Joe Button also criticized you releasing the PMB interview. Yeah. A couple days after his passing.

Yeah. What were your thoughts on that? Joe's my man. And I think Joe primarily did that because he just got an Adam 22. I think Adam dropped, that because he just got an Adam 22. I think Adam dropped like a video. Like someone died and he put like a video with the guy who, like meet the guy who killed blah, blah, blah, right? And I think Joe was saying that was tasteless among other things

when dealing with death. I think this was completely different. So PNB Rock, you know, tragically and unfortunately, you know, passed away in L.A. He got murdered. Yeah. When somebody tried to, like, you know, rob him, the same week we do an interview where he's talking about a similar situation that almost happened. I remember I asked him, I said, so, damn, why do you think that happened like that?

He's like, man, I don't know. The timing of it, I think, number one, it was newsworthy. So it's different. I don't like when people are just trying to monetize off death. But I think that's newsworthy. That adds to what's going on because maybe this just isn't random. You know what I mean? It's not even a hip-hop thing.

Every media outlet does this. It doesn't matter if it's CNN, NBC, ABC. When somebody passes away, they got their montages and packages and old videos and pictures and old interviews. Everybody does it. I think in hip-hop media, I like to say new and independent media is treated as differently because Revolt could run, you know what I mean, the oldest interview or freestyle they have of pmb rock and it's not like they're paying homage you know i mean like they're showing love if you do the same they're thinking oh you're making mad

money off of him like you're just exploiting so i do think there's a new thing with tv networks what do you think advertising advertisements are i agree they do these specials where they play the funeral back or they send for queen eliz, they sent all their journalists over to the U.K. Like, it's the same thing. What we do or, like, what I'm successful at doing, and I like to call it, I don't want to dream on green myself on some new media shit, but I do think these new platforms are becoming so popular. Like, some people are looking at certain podcasts or just certain blogs

or certain, you know, certain YouTube channels as, oh, these are, like, becoming so popular. Like some people are looking at certain podcasts or just certain blogs or certain, you know, certain YouTube channels as, oh, these are like, they're almost as loud, you know, at least within certain aspects of the culture, like a revolt. And I think people are extra critical of them because you also can see a face to it. You know what I mean? Even though Diddy is kind of the face of revolt,

still a whole corporation, you don't even think about some of the stuff that you think about when ACT posts it, right? When ACT posts it, you're like, oh shit. So you mean that ACT just made this decision? And also, for whatever reason, people feel like it's wrong that people in new media make

money. I don't know what it is. You know what I mean? So it's like, again, I try to understand it from their point of view. Like, for me, I would never exploit in the sense of there's ways you could exploit. Like, you know what I mean? For example, if I had a moment or a negative moment of that said artist, and if we're passing it, we're going to show remembrance,

and I'm just throwing that back up just to get some clicks because now everybody want to get – I think that's exploiting. I wouldn't do that. I looked at it from a different perspective, too's like you know god bless the brother pnb rock but you know at the time musically he wasn't like popping but you still sat down with him and you still had a conversation with him i didn't see nobody else doing that oh that's another thing and this is why you know i i was left kind of um i was torn on that because you know there's so many people many people who are fake when it comes to that shit. Yo, I sat on the phone with PNB. Like, they just got off Atlantic.

Atlantic dropping mad people. They just got off Atlantic. Like, bare bones, completely independent. You know, we set this interview up for months. We've been talking through like, yo, he's like, yo, he's playing this comeback. All right, let's do it. Nobody's fucking with him. Artists who used to be popping bottles in a club where they ain't fucking with him,

they tell him literally, you ain't hot right now. You know what I mean? Nobody wants to be associated with him. If you watch the whole interview, he's like, yo, one thing I do like about you, you just always supported me. 2018, when I dropped my album, when everybody was like, oh, this ain't the best shit, and it didn't do that well, you on Everyday Struggle

at the end of the year recap told me, nah, this one of the hardest albums. This shit is fire. You support me legitimately, right? Once he dies, everybody's now like they were caring about PNB Rock. Mad pretentious, you know what I mean? But I don't want that to be the

subject of the conversation, because really, a young black man lost his life. That's the most important thing. But there's a lot of people who are really pretentious with that. You know what I mean? Like, they're acting like I just pulled a PNB Rock interview out of my ass from when he was popping in. No, no platform. He was telling me these things on the phone. Oh, yeah.

I mean, you could see it. I was supposed to do interviews with them. They said, nah, now not the right time. I'm like, all right, so send me the music. I'm checking the shit out. It's like, damn, what the feature's at? It's like, damn, that nigga, he used to give me back a feature back in the day. Now they talking about some wild amount of money because they don't do Swapstone more.

Yeah, people switched up on him. You know what I mean? I see all those people still throw up the picture. RIP switched up on him. You know what I mean? I see all those people still throw up the pitch to RIP. Everything is cool. You know what I mean? And just let it go. Let's go back to some of the stuff from last week. Because the one thing I saw people keep saying is, you know,

what has academics done for the culture? How would you answer that question? It's a hard question for me to answer because I don't know if they value what I know I've done. So what is it? I've provided a platform. I think music these days has changed. The mere fact that people and artists like NBA Youngboy, the mere fact that Drill has even gone to the places it's gone, UK, Toronto, New York,

it's like one of the biggest and most recognizable genres and most infectious genres in the world. There was a time that there was no media outlet really pushing it and really kind of like showing these stories and really telling people what was really going on with not only the popular arts, but these other artists as well. That's where my platform always got is, you know, I always got my come up. I realized y'all told about Drake, y'all told about Kanye, y'all got a bigger platform, at least at that time. So I'm like, yo, I can't compete with y'all.

So what could I do to be unique? Look for the place in the market that nobody was talking about. Rappers like Lil Uzi, Lil Yachty. Man, I was covering their lives daily. I'm going, let's put these guys up. I remember everyone said, yo, SoundCloud rapper, that would be a fad. I'm covering the Cardys of the world. Cardys just closed Rolling Loud yesterday.

Uzi was in one of the biggest sets at Rolling Loud. They're the biggest artists in this culture. And that's why they fuck with you the way that they do, because you supported them from day one, which is what I always said about acts. It's like, you can go back and look at acts' page 10 years ago, 11 years ago, because I've been following them that long. These guys didn't have dregs.

They didn't have tattoos. But now they're some of the biggest stars in the world. Somebody would say, well, how do you give following them that long, these guys didn't have dreads, they didn't have tattoos, but now they're some of the biggest stars in the world. Somebody would say, well, how do you give back to the culture, right? So how would you answer that? Well, I mean, it's not providing a platform for dudes who are trying to get out of certain situations and trying to further themselves

in their career to help their family giving back. What sense of giving back? Is it just because... What? I didn't make a sizable donation to anybody? No, it doesn't have to be a sizable donation, but like you said about, you know, some of the, as you put it, dusty old rappers, that they don't necessarily give back to the other people who are coming up to explain and to break down the business.

Oh, that's about a third of what I do. I remember sitting back and wondering, yeah, these niggas talking about their record contract, but how'd that look like? I created a rap parody thing called Little Ack that I could actually go get signed, that I could actually, like, I got a JV to make sure, because I want to be, I remember back in the day

when Ryan Clark looked at, like, Skip Bayless or, like, it was Stephen A. Smith and basically said, y'all niggas never played no ball? Like, how, it was Jalen Rose. Jalen Rose. Like, yeah, yeah, y'all niggas never played no ball? Like, how we going to listen to the nigga who's just the guy in the stands? So I try my best to understand the game.

And if you ask a lot of these newer artists, who was I just interviewing recently? I don't know if it was Boston Richie or somebody else, but they were like, yo, you helped, you broke down the game for me and gave me a blueprint of understanding this shit when that seems so foreign and just far-fetched. So, like, that's, I think, what my contribution is. For example, recently, like, the whole future selling selling this master shit you know i mean young um not masters publishing young boy just signed some deal that that's kind of has some of the same the same um elements and i'm explaining to these people why i know we all preach ownership

ownership shit right but there are smart moves that people do in the industry, and I explain how it makes sense. That's what I think. Music education? I don't think there's nobody else who, and especially, I'm not an artist. I've given more music and business education than I can. Is it legitimate, though? Legit. Everything I'm saying is legit.

I'm not just capping. Every artist calls me on it. They call me. First of all, I'm getting. Where do you get your information from? Most of these artists and executives. Okay, okay. These executives, they'll tell me.

No one wants to ruin their situation. No one wants to, you know, because they don't get paid for talking. I do. So I get on the phone with these executives. I had to- You know how many people I talked to when I had to figure out what was going on in Atlantic? Why is Meek Mill not signed there no more? Why is Kodak Black about to be a free agent?

Why did PNB Rock get dropped? PNB Rock was not originally on Empire. Everybody wants to say, oh, Empire's getting artists. No. He's an Atlantic artist. NBA Youngboy. NBA Youngboy. Why did they tell that young man?

And I'm getting from the source, like, the guys. I'm talking even sometimes their lawyers. Why did Atlantic basically tell Youngboy, listen, after 22 albums that you dropped in a time period where we only contracted you to do five, hey, we'll negotiate and give you this amount of money, but we ain't giving you a motherfucking party of masters back. These are real things. What does that mean? When Youngboy started, he's 17.

He's 22 now. He don't understand what the fuck going on. He's just putting out music. It took a team to be around him. Now he just started, and that's why he loves Birdman so much. You can say whatever about Birdman. Birdman helped him understand his team as well. Bro, you know you just satisfy.

Theoretically, you satisfy a contract four times. They're eating crazy off of you. Look how much they owe your YouTube money. They own this. These are things that to a 17-year-old coming in the game that was like, when he got in the games, NBA Youngboy was an artist who got a suspended tenure sentence for being in the drive-by. He not thinking about, well, this is what a music contract looks like.

This is how I should do it. No, he's just, yo, fuck it. I'm in here. Happy he's getting money. Happy he's taking his family. So now he signs to a label, and the label is seeing 10 times what they even bargained from him. Forget the negotiation power.

He doesn't even know what it means. So that's what I'm talking about when it comes to music education. We should... I remember for the longest, I was confused about the difference between masters and publishing. You get me? Okay, how do you get paid from Spotify? I break all this shit down.

Do you think that the things you've done to quote-unquote offend people overshadow the lane you've called to quote-unquote offend people overshadowed elaine you you called for yourself no and i was close to saying yes but i would say no just off the fact of i think it's because of how i came in the game and what i mean how i came in the game um it wasn't traditional it still feels outsider-ish to the majority of people who

who would voice a dissented opinion you know? I feel what you're saying if you come up in a certain space like radio it's like a validation that comes with that like you're an authority exactly you know what I mean so they still look at me and

I remember even shit even with media there's some of the biggest hip hop stories that I broke and people would be like well they'll report the same thing later but we ain't gonna believe him cause he ain't TMZ

or we ain't gonna believe him cause he not you know double XL and why is that the case? You know what I mean? I have like, there's nobody double XL with more reach to artists than me. I'm talking to these actual people I'm putting in the work. It just, it looks different though. The optics are very different when I say it than them.

So, you know what I mean? You talked about Chrissy Teigen slighting you earlier. Do you have any animosity towards just the industry because you might feel like so many of these people did front on you early on? Of course. Yo, I told you this one day, though.

I told Sean, man, I said, listen, like, I use these things as motivation. I need it. It fuels me. Like, it... For the moments

I want to sleep eight hours, now I'm sleeping four just because I remember that motherfucker trying It fuels me. Like, for the moments I want to sleep eight hours, now I'm sleeping four. Just because I remember that motherfucker trying to slight me. I'm glad it happened. But I use it as fuel and motivation. Now, granted, I am petty. So don't think 10 years later we'll be like, oh, okay. No.

But I think we all do it. If somebody, like, you know, didn't, you know. And one thing is like it was an honest mistake, right? Like, say a great artist emails you a record. Like, yo, Envy, play this shit. You overlooked it or you didn't see it. Like, you probably get a million emails, right? And then later that artist brings it up to you.

Oh, shit, I didn't see it. Cool. It's different than you're like, man, this nigga's whack, right? And then he pops off. He's always going to remember that you called him whack. And if he wants to, like, I don't know, say you're doing a party or whatever, you want to book him, it's like, nigga, it's double the price. Remember you want this whack-ass artist?

And I understand it. You got to understand it. So, of course, I use all those things as motivation. But you got to understand the pettiness is on the other side, too. I know. Because you got the microphone and you can say something petty. I remember you said the Breakfast Club was going to be over. No, see.

No, he never said that. He said something like that. You did say something about the Breakfast Club or something. No, that wasn't that. No, no, no. No, he said something about the Breakfast Club. No, no, I didn't say something about the Breakfast Club. I'll repeat it.

So I said this. I was commenting when Angela Yee said that the, well, she said it's over as you know it. And I said, listen, radio is a dying format. And even as I sit here, I'll still maintain that point. It's a dying format. I said this is the last legendary radio show. There will be none after this. Like, this is everybody, it will be happening in different mediums.

It's happening now. Look at Drink Champs get a million dollars worth of game, right? I said if I was on radio, I would leave. So not because I'm calling the platform that's dying not because I'm calling the platform dying I didn't say none of y'all should have left

you know what I mean I'm like yo if I'm you I'm running as much as it will fall off so are you y'all putting a lot of sweat and blood equity into this shit I'm sticking with this however

these days culturally if we're talking about just in content, the majority of relevant talking points or content pieces comes from a lot of other places. Yeah, that's a fact. I mean, listen, radio still has the most reach. We cover 98% of the country. But I will say I feel like it has the least impact. Yeah. And I think what radio's place is in this era. Talk musically.

Well, talk too. Definitely talk. I mean, 100%. Definitely talk. Because like he said about, you know, a lot of us using clips from other platforms, a lot of platforms use our clips. Same way.

We got the biggest in the game. Yeah, but we're an exception. But that's the point. The point is now I think that radio is really the ultimate amplifier. It's the complement to everything that's going on now. Like when it comes to personalities, podcasts will lead in that. When it comes to music, streaming services will lead in that. When it comes to shows, festivals will lead in that.

You know what I mean? When it comes to breaking news, social media. So the only thing radio can do is be the ultimate complement and amplifier to all those things. Correct. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I agree with that. I didn't say I was over it.

Don't try to put me in the mall box. I know you'll try to use that as a chip on your shoulder. I mean, I heard him say that before, too. And, you know, the funny thing is, you think you petty, I think there's nobody pettier than me. Like, we probably the same petty party. Charlamagne knows that. But my whole thing is, if you think something is over, don't call and say, I want to get on that platform that I think is whack or horrible. That is true.

I don't play that game. I just honestly don't. But I like to spar. I like to compete, but it is what it is. But I also like to have conversations. I like to see brothers doing well. I like to see brothers getting money. And I like to help if I can help.

Like, you know, that's why I do the real estate so much. I figured it out. I do great in real estate. So if I can help somebody and show them the way, and I don't have to charge you, I just want to see you win. That's why I'm able to do it. That's why I asked about what are you doing outside of, forget the financial donations, but explaining, breaking it down,

helping that next generation that me and him didn't get. Like, nobody taught us. We had to figure it out, bump our heads a couple of times and then i did i did have people i did have people you know that helped me definitely on the way up though and gave me game i can say that and by the way also like not only with music right because again remember i'm not a musician but like even in media like shit i see a bunch of people trying to figure it out themselves too and i understood just like when you know Charmin was at that place of telling a young me like whatever whatever like this is dude right this is dude I everybody was like you this is like this is the carbon copy of academics and you

know maybe at a different time and everyone they couldn't wait for me to speak on they're like yo you gotta, you got to just eviscerate him. Sounds like you, mannerisms like you. Yeah, they're like, they just wanted me to just like diss this guy that they could be like, ah, yes, we're rocking with. And I remember there was a time, Sean May called me and he said, yo, bro, I'm listening to your content. I see you getting better this end of the year. But I ain't going to lie. A lot of times, sometimes when I hear you doing certain shit sound like me you gotta find your lane and i was it was confused for a second but i took it as

positive you know constructive you know criticism and i was like i gotta figure out me so this this guy who's coming up i know he gonna find himself right now he sounded a little bit like me and i remember there was a quote from like quincy Jones was like, yo, a lot of great musicians, like, you know, they they they copy someone else before they find themselves or something like that. I can't remember. It was really, really dope. And I'm allowing him to grow. You know. It's going to happen. So the same way with Cluedo.

I use the same echo as Cluedo. Like he was the person that was from Queens or lived across the street from me. He was the one that, as a DJ, I wanted to be. Yeah, yeah. So you wind up following that, not knowing that you're following it, because you're just happy, because you're like, oh, shit, I started using his echo, his mannerisms, and then you realize, no, I got to find my own way. His hair dye.

Listen, what sparked the rant, though, like, when you did make the comments about the older pioneers? Like, did you meet someone that made you think that? Like, what sparked the rant, though, like when you did make the comments about the older pioneers? Like, did you meet someone that made you think that? Like, what sparked that? I don't even remember exactly who it was. I kind of have an idea, but I don't even want to call him out because now they're going to be like, oh, you were just calling this one guy broken, Dusty. Okay. Because it wasn't like I was trying to sum everybody up.

That's what it sounded like. It was at match two, definitely one. I'm looking at this guy, I'm like, this broke Dusty, motherfucker. So he came up to you like, yo, I'm... No, no, no, no. I'm consuming content. Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha.

So, you know, a lot of these dudes now, they all, and by the way, I love it. I love it. I love that former rappers, or even current rappers, get on these platforms and talk. Like, I love it. And it was just this older guy, it was just all hate towards hate towards like what the newer guys

were doing and mad criticizing like yo why would he do this and i'm like so i'm looking up this dude i'm looking up his time in the music business and what people were saying about him you got fucked in all your deals but now you you see the new guy, he might be making mistakes. I'm not saying he's not. But you never sat him down and be like, yo, listen, this is how they got me. How about you do these things differently? You're criticizing the sound of me. You're criticizing everything around it.

You think that new young kid going to listen to you, he's looking at you like, man, this bro, this dude right here who never, ever taught me is now trying to scold me. I get what you're saying. It goes back to that Muhammad Ali quote when Muhammad Ali says, you know, if I don't have the Rolls Royce and I don't have the jewelry, he might not listen to me the same. I get what you're saying. But I've always told you, man, you can't put too much stock in money and youth because you're not going to always be the youngest person. I agree. How old are you now, 31?

Yeah. To an 18-year-old, you're old. And you're not always going to be the richest. And by the way, I don't think I'm the richest at all. Everybody got all the money. I see them cars. Really, shit, that's one thing I had to accept, like, I want to say, like, four or five years ago.

And I just want to age grace four or five years ago and I just want to age gracefully though. Like I just kind of you know whatever I kind of get into you know sometimes sometimes I want to

get in my little political bag and even though you know I think right now I'm a little bit immature with my political commentary but I sprinkle that

in and I watch my audience but also like it comes But you know you're going to get back what you've been putting out though. What do you mean?

So once you get older it's going to be some young boy kicking your back and calling you old and dusty, too. But I won't be stepping on their toes. I'm not going to see the guy, like, say the guy who I say people compare him to me, I'm not going to see him get to a point in his career where he can make a big move

or whatever and maybe the same type of fork in the road that I was at. And if I never put my hand around him and gave him some game, if he makes the same mistake I made, or say like he did to Chrissy T, and they're like, man, you stupid motherfucker, I'm not going to do that. Because I'm going to understand that like, bro, you made those mistakes. You got to allow him to make his. Right? So I don't want to ever be the old dude, right, broke, dusty, or rich,

just pointing at the young dudes, criticizing them when you never try to school them. You never pass down no game. And now you're just looking like you're on the porch, criticizing them, talking about, look at you out here gangbanging. You used to be doing the same shit. We'll just call something different. You know what I mean? So

that's my point with that. Do you think it's a ceiling on what you do? Because like I said, everybody got a birthday, and at some point, you're all going to be the old guy in hip-hop. Do you think it's a ceiling on what you do? Because like I said, everybody got a birthday and at some point you all gonna be the old guy in hip hop. Do you think there's a ceiling? No. Because what I believe I do and what people think I

do and what I want to do are three different things. Break them down. What do you believe you do? So I believe I'm a broadcaster and a platform owner. People believe I'm just a Twitch nigga. What I want to do is I want to develop a platform. And that's much more important than it won't be forever people are hearing my voice. It might be another person just coming through my network.

You want your own Twitch. You want your own social media thing. And that's where I feel like, you know, me right now as a personality, I'll say this. I always wanted to be on The Breakfast Club. Like when I was coming, I was like, damn, I wish I, but I was like, damn, it's them three. They ain't going to add no fourth. And damn, you probably not in a long line of people. You ain't never interned a radio and never did all these things, which was traditionally how you kind of get in the space.

So I was like, yo, damn, how do I get on? And I always tell rappers this. If I made my own platform when I couldn't find a platform to go on. Like, if I got hired at one of these stations, I'm not me. And once I made my platform, I remember Q from WorldStar came to me and was like, yo, Ack, yo, we'll pay you this amount of money. Just come work for us. You do WorldStar News.

And I saw, you know, value in me having a platform. I said, nah, I ain't going to do that. But that's how I came up with the idea of having a platform. So I look at myself I ain't gonna do that. But that's how I came up with the idea of having a platform. So I look at myself as platform first, even though I'm the face of it, my face is driving it. But at some, at some time, the platform is supposed to live on. And, you know, even now, as I'm, you know, like, shit, we own a few studios, like in, you know, Jersey City, and I'm trying to build out some podcasts and stuff, probably either a network or maybe just not even a podcast network,

just a digital network. Now it's to the point where I'm like, okay, cool. Your face has driven your platform so much that all these new young media niggas, they all look at you like how you looked up to Charlamagne. They all look at you like, bro, we watched this of yours. This is why I've taken a grown-up approach because I used to go at people who were similar to me.

I'm like, nigga, you copy my shit? Now I'm like, let me put my arm around you and try to invite y'all to the fold. And show them the right way to do it. Yeah. And hopefully I can empower them too. Let me empower y'all rather than be like, oh, I'm the only one through the fold. That's the next step. And show them the right way to do it. Yeah. Yeah. And hopefully I can empower them too. Like, let me empower y'all rather than kind of like

be like, oh, I'm the only one through the door. Come sit next to me. That's why I created the Black Effect Podcast Network. Even with The Breakfast Club, The Breakfast Club, I want to be a format

that outlives all of us. Correct. You know, Yee's going to do her own thing. If Envy ever decides he wants to move on, I ever decide I want to move on, at least that name can still be here with new players.

Yeah. I was going to ask, you say you talk to a lot of different artists and try to mend beef and try to talk to them. Do you ever have conversations with 6ix9ine? Yeah. How do those conversations turn out? Man, frustrating.

Frustrating because he's one of those people who, yeah, you're not petty than him no you're not anytime I try to appeal to his humanity anytime I try to

be like yo bro and we've gotten arguments where like like you know just as friends I'm not fucking with you right now at all

I'm not answering your calls I'm not like this it's one thing I always suggest like oh don't do that can't control you but at times I'm not answering your calls. I'm not like, this, I, it's one thing I always suggest like, oh, don't do that. Can't control you,

but at times I'm like, this is too much. Um, and oftentimes this is, this is how we act. Like for example, PNB Rock just passed away,

you know, and he had a negative comment. You know, I used to repost those. I told him, I said, that's a dub. I can't,

like, it feels like I'm almost passively amplifying that. And I'm like, I'm not going to sit there and delete every one of your comments. You could be in a conversation like every random fan. But I'm not reposting that at all. But even when he posts a negative comment, man, I'll call him a layer, bro. Are you serious?

And you know what he always says? He always has one of those, yo, Ack, this is why I hate when you do this. When PNB Rock was alive and was saying he can't wait for the day I die, you reposted him saying that. But now he passed away. I'm supposed to just, why can't I now keep the same energy? And that's really his type of, that's his reaction to most of these things. But you can't be mad at that.

Because a lot of these people said they hope he dies. They hate him. He's a snitch. He's a rat. Talk about him. Gave him middle fingers. Fuck that. Fuck that.

And the other. So now when something happens, he's, you know, not to say it's right, but for him, he's like, I don't give a fuck if you're alive or dead. I don't fuck with you. That's how he felt. Shit, that's why the whole King Von thing, I remember having a, me and him, we didn't talk for a while

after the King Von thing. And he was just like, and I give him credit in the sense of, you know, as a friend, he had me say, I know you're really upset. Let's talk about it. And I just sat there and I was just like,

yo, this is more than y'all issues. And he was quoting 20 things that King Von said to me. He's like, yo, King Von rapped in a lyric. This, he's saying this about me. They all can't wait till I die. Why can't I? And I remember saying to him, I'm like, but people are hurt. A lot of people are hurt.

And even sometimes when these artists who I have somewhat of a connection with, I'm hurt. I'm hurt that they're passing. And then I control a platform that you're using or trying to use to disrespect those same artists. So you're trying to amplify my hurt. So it's like, you know, it's very difficult. But, you know, I think for him, there's got to be some place where he finds some inner peace. See, but I also feel like if we have beef when you're alive, it doesn't end when you die. And that's whoever has beef.

And I always look at it like 50. You know, 50's my brother. If one of those people that have beef with 50 die, he's not going to stop. And that's a man that got shot nine times. Listen, neither one of y'all are wrong, but you just got to understand, you got to deal with the consequences that come with that.

So if you're going to shit on somebody who passed away, know that that person has people who love them, know that that person has people who ride for them, and when they see you, it's going to be some consequences and repercussions. I think he's accepted that fate. Exactly. He definitely has. But here's the thing, too, right?

I do know in the course of hip-hop conversation, and I remember one time when he told me he was like, yo, he did something. I forgot what it was. He was like, yo, he did something. I forgot what it was. It was some, like, he was like, the Nipsey Muro shit. And he was just like, yo, they said I couldn't come here. I went there.

Like, yo, if anybody else, if they said anybody else couldn't go somewhere and they went there, they would call him tough. But they all just mad at me, telling me I'm disrespectful. Nobody, why you not call me tough when you call the other guy tough? And, you know, I always have this one saying, I'm like, listen, man, sometimes it's better to be liked than to be right. Because you're arguing such technicalities and at the same point you're saying, well, if they're saying that about when he dies, why can't he keep the same energy?

Well, nobody likes 6ix9ine, except like me. So, like, truth be told, they're having a parade if he dies. You know this, right? They're having a full parade. And there will be nobody on social media saying, stop it, guys. No. It's going to be everybody's pot. That's what I'm trying to say.

It's going to be like Queen Elizabeth times 100. Except I don't know. The way they had fun with Queen Elizabeth? That's how they're going to do it. See, but like 6ix9ine does stuff that has nothing to do with beef, right? He's in Russia right now performing. Yeah. He sticks up his middle finger and says, fuck Brittany Griner.

Yeah. What the Brittany? Brittany, he can't pull up a Brittany Griner rap that says he said anything about him. No, I agree. I agree. And by the way, he did say he was drunk, but still, like, I don't be here defending him. Because I do think he just has a, he just loves that beef shit, man. You know?

Do you ever look back at your drunken rants and say, I went too far? And the reason I ask that is because of watching people around you who have had to deal with those consequences. Whether it was 6ix9ine going to jail. Whether it was, you know, XXX, God bless the day, you know, getting murdered. All the other rappers that you named that you had a relationship with. Is it worth it? If I ever say something or I speak out of turn or if I say something I didn't mean or maybe I misunderstood something and reacted to it in one of those rants,

I usually address it. I'm always, I try to hold myself accountable. People hold me accountable, too. There have been times I think I've been all the way right and people are like, nah. Especially like, you know, you can get a read from the temperature of everybody. One thing I try not to do is allow myself to be bullied. But also sometimes, again, I'm going to keep saying this, sometimes this is more important to be liked than to be right.

For example, I remember people saying whatever, like, okay, I commented about Freddie Gibbs, right? Man, nobody, and 50 used to say this too, nobody remembers the action that caused the reaction. Freddie Gibbs was putting up memes with me photoshopping a casket and him spitting on it. Nobody cared about that, right? I comment like, I make two jokes about him getting beat up. Oh my God, look at his bitch ass.

That's what I'm saying. So people only see one side. So, you know, like they like Freddie Gibbs, especially on Twitter. They like him more than me. So if I trip and fall, it's like, yes. If something happens really as a result of his own actions, they're like, yo, wait, wait, you can't laugh at that. So, again, you know what I mean? It's always going to be, like, one-sided like that.

But, you know, I've understood that through the media. Like, the media create favorites. And, like, for example, everything you've seen that through the media. The media create favorites. For example, everything you've seen popping off with me, where is it emanating from? Shade Room. By the way, I love Angie. It's not her.

It's just that platform and the demographic there don't really fuck with me. This shit don't emanate from really rap blogs. I mean, granted, it's a bigger blog, but that audience don't really fuck with me. If they like me, it'll be very different. There are certain artists I see make mistakes that people like, and they'll be like, oh, he ain't mean it like that. But when they don't like you, oh, hell no, he definitely meant it like that. Have you had time to, like, really reflect on your comments in regards to the older pioneers in hip-hop?

Like, have you had time to reflect on it and say, okay, maybe I shouldn't have said the word Dusty. Or maybe, you know, maybe i should have just said hey financially how come they aren't doing as good as they should be because they invented hip hop i mean yes and again i first of all i knew this point uh the bigger context was never going to be taken seriously if i knew it was going to be even amplified to that reach, yes, I would have not said that to hopefully let's have the conversation. But granted, we just all agreed they don't want to talk about it.

But you know how you can make them have the conversation? What? Apologize for calling them, Dusty, and say, you know what? Maybe I used a bad choice of words. Hold on. But here's the thing. I can't apologize for something I didn't do. Like, I didn't call all of them dusties.

Everybody who was responding, you see, what did I say earlier? I agree with LL 100%. Except 80% of what he was talking about wasn't to me. Because I didn't say it. I never said that your money could be equatable to hip-hop contributions in the past. Well, you left it broad because you didn't name a name. So, being that you didn't name a name, you can only think you're generalizing all hip-hop contributions in the past. Well, you left it broad because you didn't name a name. So being that you didn't name a name, you can only think you're generalizing all the hip-hop.

That's what I regret, because usually I love calling names. I should have just called that dude a name, but I didn't think my audience was even going to know the dude. But now everybody done responded. I don't want to now go back and point, like, I was talking to that nigga right there. By the way, the dude responded, too. The person?

The one person you was talking about? Yeah. Wow. Interesting. Wow. Interesting. Interesting. So listen, I mean, that is a bigger conversation. And by the way, when he responded, he kind of almost agreed that it was, never mind, let me just keep it going.

But the bigger conversation is how can we help, you know, the founding fathers. And I think people just want you to respect the culture that you eat off. Okay, that's a good one. What legitimately, besides that comment, do people believe that shows lack of respect of the culture or even historically rappers who came before? That's what I'm trying to say. Like, they're using two words to kind of paint a large brush on everything I've done. You know what I mean?

Well, but if they haven't been paying attention to the whole totality of you and all of the different things you might have done or have done, then they only see that one thing. They're like, who the fuck is this guy? You know what I mean? And that's where it comes down to this, right? So like, you know, but they're not going to give you a chance because it's already, we're in mob culture.

It's cancer culture. So is anybody going to look up, you know, does he have other comments disrespecting all the old rappers? What has he said about them before? What has he said about, you know, the pioneers? What has he said about people who were popping in the 80s and 90s? Okay, he grew up on most of these niggas in the 2000s. What has he said about all these people?

Is he one of the dudes who are just ignorant, who only likes the under 25-year-old rap music and thinks everybody else is trash? Has he only judged rappers because of money? Did anybody go to look that up? Or was it a good way to galvanize? And actually, that's the only thing I was proud about. I think everybody was on the same page, even though it was against me. And sometimes if you think about back in history, and by the way, maybe I shouldn't even say this.

Man, I was not saying. I was just like, in history, the worst events that bring people together are usually scapegoating one particular subset of people or one person. Everybody will get on board. Oh, that's the bad guy? Let's go get that motherfucker. So again, I was happy when I seen everybody was chiming in. everybody would get on board oh that's the bad guy let's go get that motherfucker so again I was like

I was happy when I seen everybody everybody was chiming in certain people I thought should have set it set it out though like Russell

should have set it out like he was come on so you're down to have the conversation with the LLs the TIs I mean I think

that's the thing people don't understand like you're not a bad guy you know I've been knowing you for a long time you're actually a student of the game you know what I mean and I think that's the thing people don't understand. Like, you're not a bad guy. You know, I've been knowing you for a long time. You're actually a student of the game. You know what I mean?

And I think just like any of us, you can get caught up in the performance of it all sometime. You know what I mean? But you got to deal with the consequences of those actions. Like I always tell you, it's going to come at some point. We've all gotten punched in the face. You know what I mean? I don't think it's worth it in the long run. I don't.

No, no, hold on. No, no. Of course it's never worth it, right? What I mean worth it is like this is just hip-hop and the same way everybody running around saying it's the most dangerous job in the world, which it's not, but still, everybody running around saying that if you believe that,

you must know when you pick up a mic, you might die. Right? So here's the thing. When I also pick up a mic to give my comments, I understand it might get that serious too. You got to take the – if we're called to the most dangerous job in history, right, it could go any way at any time. Based off how you choose to communicate.

Because the way we're communicating now, this is how me and I communicate all the time. But you don't communicate, you don't sound like this on Twitch. Yeah, because I'm giving a soliloquy. And a soliloquy, like if I was talking monotone, I'd fall asleep too. That's fall asleep while I'm talking. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'm performative on everything. What I mean performative is that I'm theatrical.

When I'm talking, I'm...ative on everything. What I mean performative is that I'm theatrical. When I'm talking, I'm... You're entertaining. And also, what I've realized in hip-hop, people think that speaking with confidence means you're aggressive. Like, I'll be speaking about a point that I am very confident about making, they'll be like, yo, why are you talking tough like this? Like, what, do you say this in person? And I'm like, well, now I'm having tough like this? Like, what do you say to some person? And I'm like,

well, now I'm having a conversation with you and if we're inside, I'm talking to millions of people through a mic and a screen. Who knows who the fuck is listening, right? Now if I'm talking to you, why would I need to shout? We're right here. And also, I want to talk to you that you could be able to listen and then be able to understand and respond and vice versa.

I guess what my thing is, like, I like all of of these conversations but let's not make them about one individual let's make them about culture you know what i mean that's why i say let's get them up here because i think sometimes when you hear somebody's side and what they're talking about it opens it up and i guarantee from this interview people will like you more because they're not hearing the clips that they're hearing on the blog sites and the clips that they're hearing on these sites that are only a 30 second clip when you had a seven-hour conversation and how do we know this this this in a lot of ways this is the hate that hate produces right you know what I'm saying you the Frankenstein monster of a lot of a lot of hip-hop

because if I come at you for you know why you call this woman a b-word like I gotta turn the mirror on myself too why have I been doing it for so long if I come at you because you know you called a B word? It's like, I got to turn the mirror on myself too. Why have I been doing it for so long? If I come at you because, you know, you called rappers old and dusty, it's like, well, damn, when I was young, I was disrespecting the older generation too. But also more importantly, what can we do for the founding fathers of hip hop?

You know, so they aren't like that. What can we do to where more people are respecting women when we have these conversations? By the way, I kind of also, you know, to sum it up, I feel like, you know, to sum it up, I feel like hip-hop always needs a villain, and I think because 6ix9ine isn't where he used to be in his career, it's kind of like CNN with Donald Trump. Donald Trump not in office no more,

Joe Rogan the bad guy. You know what I mean? It's like, I'm in line to be one of those guys, and, you know, I could, you know, I was even telling my brother yesterday, I was just like, I could watch every word I'm saying if they want to take something out of context. Absolutely. They went back 10 years to drum something randomly.

You know what I mean? They went back 10 years. Trust me, I know. Yeah. Come on. You know I know. You know I know. He knows.

Yeah. Well, we appreciate you stopping through, brother. I didn't think I was going to make it up here. Well, actually, I thought I wanted Angelina to be here. Before she went on her new show. These are the final days of the Breakfast Club, as you know it. So you got in before the transition happened. Oh, man.

Yo, could I be one of the new hosts, though? Yeah, we're rotating guests next year. At least they'll be swinging on me instead of Charlamagne. Charlamagne got security down here. You're goddamn right. Nobody's swinging on nobody. I ain't got security down there. As you should.

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