The Breakfast Club - Don Toliver On Defining His Artistry, Kali Uchis Relationship, Travis Scott Collab + More
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Wake that ass up in the morning.
The Breakfast Club.
Yep, it's the world's most dangerous morning show,
The Breakfast Club,
and we got a special guest in here this morning, man.
I also got Nala Simone in here, you know, holding it down with me,
but Don Toliver is here.
What's up, my brother?
What's up, OG? How you feeling?
I'm blessed, black, and highly favored, man.
You got the new album, Lovesick.
I have to say I'm a little disappointed that you don't have a leather coat on right now, sir.
What?
I'll see what you're saying.
This is like some different type of like, it just feels good.
I'm sorry.
I couldn't do that.
Leather is restricting.
You know what I'm saying?
Word.
I wanted to be comfortable.
Well, talk to us about the new album, man.
Lovesick.
Why that title?
Well, Lovesick is kind of just the threshold to a story that I created. I wanted to make an album, and I wanted to make a movie
and a soundtrack for the album.
So lovesick is basically just a term for you going through
whatever you're going through with your significant other,
whether it's bad, good, ugly, sad, whatever.
Everybody within the movie, short film that I created for Lovesick is
Lovesick, whether it's the
cook, the diner, the cop,
me, my girlfriend.
It's something that you have to pay attention to in a
movie to really understand, but that's
exactly what the definition
is. That's a narrative you don't really hear
from artists nowadays because artists
historically want to be players
and pimps and run through a bunch of women, you know what I mean?
To actually have somebody looking for love
and to say they lovesick, that's a little different.
Yeah, it's definitely just like your own choice
is really what it is.
It's like, do you choose to, you know,
stay faithful and lock in with your significant other
or do you choose to deal with everything else
in the world that has nothing to do with that?
So that's basically, you know, the duality of lovesick.
On the first track of Lovesickness, you say love is the fall that you don't get up from.
Yeah.
Was this written prior to you falling or are you still like in that process?
I made that statement at the end of the song just to let people know sometimes that love is heavier than what you think.
You know what I'm saying?
Sometimes you fall in love with somebody and that same feeling sticks with you for years and you don't understand why.
And that's what I meant by it.
You know you're never supposed to fall in love, though.
Really?
Because anytime you fall historically in life, you get hurt.
You're supposed to grow in love with people.
That's why I said falling in love is the one fall you don't get up from.
See?
You still down?
Am I still down?
Yeah.
Yeah, 100%.
Yeah, I'm still down for sure.
Down for the count.
I feel like down makes it sound like bad.
When you're actually in a good spot, it looks like.
I'm in a good spot, but I mean, it's just like, you know, we all, when you're in a relationship,
sometimes it's not like peas and cream you know what I'm saying sometimes that shit gets you know y'all busy
y'all schedules conflict y'all might be arguing about the littlest the dumbest things you know
it's like a lot of stuff that goes on that makes a relationship tougher than what it is sometimes
I really sorry I really like and let her go when you're like I think I'm really here for once
is that what your relationship with Callie feels like like is this her go when you're like, I think I'm really here for once.
Is that what your relationship with Callie feels like?
Is this the first time you feel present with your partner?
100%. More than I've ever been with somebody, for sure.
That's dope.
What do you think is the difference?
What makes it work for you guys?
I'm just way more invested into my relationship
than I've probably been in any other relationship.
I love that.
Good for you.
I love the flip that you guys did with Beanie Man and Maya for For Me.
Was that, like, on purpose?
Is that a sentimental record for you guys,
or were you guys just in the studio and came up with that?
It was a record.
It was a record.
I really love that sample a lot.
Big sample.
It's a crazy sample.
Girls Dem Sugar is a crazy sample. I really love that song a lot, Big sample. It's a crazy sample. Big sample. Girls Dem Sugar is a crazy sample.
I really love that song a lot, and it's just like, you know,
I kind of wanted some, I've been into just like really having fun dancing lately,
so I wanted kind of like that dance hall feel, and I love Neptunes a lot.
So it was kind of like the best of both worlds,
and then Weezy did the sample on the beat, so it really, really,
I just had to do it.
Was it hard to clear that record?
I would say yes.
Well, Pharrell got, what, 100%?
I will not disclose.
I will not disclose.
I love P.
I'm not going to say P's the bad guy here,
but that motherfucking sample, yeah.
Business is business, man.
Business is business.
Is it hard mixing the the business I guess with
With the pleasure
Depends on like
You know
Who you
Who you like
I don't really
It's not too much pleasure for me
Now these days
When it comes to just other artists
I have like a kind of set
Amount of people that I deal with
But
You know
Business is business You know I just I chop it deal with. But, you know, business is business.
You know, I just chop it up to the game.
Like, you know, I ain't going to be mad at nobody for charging me
because I'm going to charge them.
Hold on.
So wait a minute.
You charge your girl for features?
No.
Oh, wait a minute.
That's what I was talking about.
I thought y'all was talking about pee.
No, I meant business and pleasure.
Like, you talking about my girl.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was thinking you were speaking P. No, I meant business and pleasure. Oh, you're talking about my girl. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I was thinking you were speaking of terms of business and pleasure as maybe me being cool with P or something.
And it's like the business model.
Oh, no, no, no.
No, me and my girls, it's beautiful.
We kind of stay on the music side.
The whole business thing, I'm just like, whatever she want, cool, blah, blah, blah, let it go.
I don't even really deal into it too much. But we just try to really keep it musical. You know, I'm just like, whatever she want, cool, blah, blah, blah, let it go. I don't even, like, really deal into it too much.
But we just try to really keep it musical.
You know what I'm saying?
I love that.
And speaking of dancing, you talked about the dancing.
What is that dance you do when your, like, hands is moving and your feet?
Like, you have a name for that?
It's called Do the Fool.
Do the Fool?
Do the Fool.
Do the Fool is crazy.
It's something I created in Australia when I was in Australia last year.
And Metro was dropping his album.
And I had like three songs on the album.
I was very excited to hear the album.
And I don't know what got into me.
I was outside just like chilling, listening to the album in my headphones.
I told my bro to record me.
And my feet just started moving.
And then after that, I never stopped doing the dance again.
It looks like you're dancing like nobody's watching,
but we're literally all watching.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm 100%.
I love it.
But when you hit it last night on stage, I'm like, man,
this guy is having the time of his life.
100%.
I love it.
I was going to ask you that.
You went to the show, right?
Yeah, Trav Scott came out.
That was crazy.
Did you rush the deluxe because you knew that this was happening,
like the show, and you wanted Travis to come?
I really just wanted him on my album.
I wanted Teezo on my album.
And I just wanted to give the fans a couple more songs.
I felt like they were asking for a lot.
The album was just amazing.
I never had a chance to really just give fans immediately something.
It was one of the funnest things for me to do.
It was challenging because after I dropped my album,
I was like, yo, I want to give my fans some more music.
But it was, like, kind of challenging
because I have so much music,
and I had to break it down into, like, four songs
that I wanted to put on this album.
So...
It really caught me off guard
because you did it within, like, a week's span.
Why not give us a tape and then the project
like why make it so lengthy oh i just wanted to i wanted to even 20 and and like i said i want to
travel and uh teaser on my album immediately i didn't want to wait a week i didn't want to wait
a month i wanted them on my album you know i wanted to listen through exactly you know how i
plan to see it immediately then wait and i feel like the fans want the same
thing your fans are really demanding and it's really because you keep doing the snippets like
do you regret posting the snippets at all um honestly i don't regret posting the snippets but
i will say like you know i really just want the fans to have a chance to be able to like you know
get something a little early or be able to say, like, yo,
I remember when he played this on Instagram before it came out,
to have a little exclusivity to whatever I'm doing is really what I've been wanting to do.
Does that help or hurt you then?
It's a blessing, man.
I feel like at the end of the day, you know, people want to consume the music regardless.
So however they get it, you regardless so however they get it you know however they get it but as long as it's not being stolen and somebody
else is monetizing all whatever you got going on it's whatever but you know when
the time comes right if you snippet something it should come out you know I
even was wondering like you know what the four new songs that you added how do
you even decide what you want to put out originally? Because you don't just sit on Travis Scott features.
No.
You know what I mean?
No, no.
What do you mean by like how...
How do you decide what to put out later as bonus tracks as opposed to presenting originally?
That's what I'm saying.
That was the challenge behind it.
I really just digged into Four Well first it was
Off the four
It was something
That the fans wanted
One song
And the other three songs
Were really just something
That I felt like
The album really needed
Travis for sure
I wanted him on my album
Regardless
He's been on all my albums
And T-Zo Touchdown
Is from Texas
I'm from Texas as well
And I always like to highlight
You know
Any artist coming out of Texas
Doing whatever they possibly Doing you know And I felt like It highlight you know any artist coming out of Texas doing whatever they
possibly doing you know and I felt like it was the perfect opportunity to let him go up on the album
as well. How would you define yourself as an artist because I listen I'm like well is he R&B
is he rap you know what I mean like how would you define yourself as an artist? I would just say um
it's R&B so just a little twist of what I got going on.
You know, I do heavy into the R&B and the melodics of things a lot,
but I definitely just like to get off some bars here and there, too.
I don't like to, I feel like if I can do it, why not do it?
Do you hate the rap, not hate, but how do you feel about the rappers
who may sound like you, but they're rappers? You know what I rappers who may sound like you, but they're rappers?
You know what I mean?
May sound like me, but they're rappers.
Honestly, I don't know, man.
A lot of times, I don't want to say my own horn,
but a lot of people say that I'm kind of different
or I have a certain distinctive sound.
So I don't want to say people sound like me,
but I'll say there like, you know,
there's a lot of people that are melodic and rap as well.
I just feel like when I come across,
it just hits a little different, in my opinion.
I feel like T-Pain is an influence of yours.
Yes, T-Pain.
T-Pain is definitely someone that I 100% listened to
when I was coming up, definitely.
A lot of people are still expecting you to drop Rolling Stone
or the joint with Baby Keem.
Yeah.
Is that coming?
It's so crazy.
It's like, what joint with Baby Keem are you guys talking about?
I haven't snipped any song with Baby Keem,
but Rolling Stone, I know all about that for sure.
And what about the joint with Anderson.Paak?
You put Honeymoon out.
Was he originally on that, or did somebody just make that online?
Yeah, somebody.
I feel like they kind of did that whole internet twist and verse thing
and made their own little situation.
But I love Andersonerson i would i would
like that i love anderson speaking of honeymoon is marriage something that you have in mind or
like on your yes yeah i would love it damn you said that fast i love that when you know you know
though brother yeah you're right so don't play with it like you know i'm saying when you know
she the one don't play with it man don't play with it i'm you know she the one, don't play with it, man. Don't play with it.
I'm here.
You know what your proposal may look like?
Because that's very important.
Because you got money.
When you got money, you got to make sure that the proposal is something that they never, ever forget.
Like it's a story that you can tell the people in the future that's just fly.
I feel like whatever I do, it just has to be organic.
I can't really do too, too much.
My girl, she just kind of wanted to be heartfelt.
Whatever it is, got to be organic.
It don't matter if we in a park having a picnic, you know.
It just kind of got to feel organic.
How do you know when that person is the one you want to spend the rest of your life with? it um i feel like if you've been with somebody for two to three years plus me and my girl going on
you kind of know if you really want to be with them and that's kind of like where i feel like
all right we here did you see a lot of healthy relationships growing up uh yeah i did i mean
my mom my dad they separated when I got a little older,
but they managed to just keep their,
like, they would have their ups and downs.
She would be mad at him or whatever,
but at the end of the day,
they still kept the, like,
this is my mom, this is my dad,
and that never, like,
kind of left the playing field.
I respect that.
And my grandma and my grandfather,
they still been together.
They've been together for, they've been married for like 50-something years.
Beautiful.
I love that.
You're going to make a lot of money, brother.
The reason you're going to make a lot of money is because, you know,
when you have that partner that you devote all your time and all your energy to
and you ain't out here doing all the extracurricular shit,
watch what happens in your life.
You commit to that one situation.
It gives you stability that other people don't have.
100%. I believe that.
I love that you called it extracurricular.
That's cute.
On Go Down, you have
this line that I have a bone to pick with you about.
You say, 25, the
life of certified lover. Keep me cool.
She keep me cool undercover.
Backseat, I never use the rubber.
That's what you promoting?
Mind your business.
That's what you promoting?
That's my girl.
That's my girl.
Okay.
That's my girl.
Now, ask her, Dawn.
First of all, this is...
I asked the question.
Ask her.
Silly.
You're silly.
And then company
Man
This is the third company
You've given us
Each company is
Like a classic
Do you see yourself
Doing a company
Just project
Company 10
Yeah
Yeah
I mean
I feel like honestly
I feel like honestly
It's just one of those things
Where it's like
I want to have something
That the fans can always Relate to on my album And right now I don't it's like, I want to have something that the fans can
always relate to on my album.
And right now, I don't see why I wouldn't want to come with a four or a five or a six.
Just depending on where I'm at in my life.
Hopefully, I'm in a good place to continue to want the company.
If not, you know, I'm good.
Love it.
How did you pick your features?
I like the range of features.
You go from Glow Realer to Justin Bieber to Wizkid to Charlie Wilson.
How did you decide who you want to collaborate with?
It's kind of like a wide variety of the industry,
and it's kind of like all my favorites from all those little pockets.
I love Toro.
I love James.
I'm a fan of Glow.
I'm a fan of Dirk.
Futures inspired me my whole life life travis you already know about that
tizo touchdowns a legend tisa korea is another houston a legend it's just little pockets on the
album with it with brent i'm a fan of brent like all these pockets of artists i really just
respect them respect their craft and just happy to have them on my album,
you know what I'm saying,
and be able to, like, collaborate with those guys.
I always wonder how you and Travis, you know,
because growing up for us,
Houston always had a specific sound.
You know what I mean?
Like, you knew what Houston sounded like,
but you and Travis kind of, like, broke that mold.
Was that intentional?
I say in my heart it was intentional.
Travis, when I seen Travis, Travis gave me the hope when I was doing like
all my little underground stuff back home because he was the unicorn in
Houston that was like doing something abstract.
And I felt like I was doing the same, but I didn't have when I was really
like, that's what really just put me on in the city and had people looking
at me different because I was doing something different.
Yeah, we are known for the traditional, you know, Houston rap.
But at the same time, there's a lot of great creatives out there that do a lot of different things, you know.
And I was able to kind of cut through because it was different.
And that would help me.
And I think people in the city kind of just need because it was different and that would help me and i think
people in the city kind of just need to realize that you know a lot of people are doing a lot of
different things don't let me take away but you know staying different is always to go right
always you get flack for that in the city because i think about you know i'm from south carolina but
i remember here in new york like when asap mob first came out everybody like oh man they sound
like they from the south they don't sound like they're from the city.
Did you get flack from people in Houston?
Nah, man.
I feel like people probably didn't,
they definitely didn't know if I was from Houston or not or whatever.
But at the same time, it was like I was doing something different.
And I was organic.
I was the type of kid to just pull up in the DJ booth and
wait till the DJ spends
all his songs and be like, yo, can you spend this
one last song for me?
And that got me, like, you know,
that kind of, that's what had
the streets like, you know, I respect this kid.
He doing something different, but
he's in here really putting his foot down
trying to work, and that was like
the respect factor
I got from that
I see a lot of people
have been showing love
to your project
Dom Kennedy
Bun B
what is it like
having them embrace you
like that
I love it
I mean I respect Bun
I respect
everybody who's showing me
love on the album
I just respect it
because at the end of the day
I put a lot of work in
on this album
I'm not gonna sit here and say like I just did the album in two months of the day, I put a lot of work in on this album.
I'm not gonna sit here and say like I just did the album in two months and turned it in and it was nothing.
I put a lot of like, it was very tedious, like every song and
I've never put that type of attention on any other, on any of my other albums.
So like the respect for my peers is beautiful.
How do you feel about the consumers? Because it feels like music's so disposable nowadays.
I feel like you got to set tone, and you got to make sure
whatever you put now into this universe is going to test the time.
And that's the way I feel.
Honestly, it is disposable.
It's here today, gone tomorrow.
But you just got to know in your heart, whatever you're giving,
you know, your consumer is something they'll be able to digest
for the rest of their life, not just for the moment.
That's why I wanted to give that deluxe.
You know what I'm saying?
I was like, man, as much as I can possibly give my fans until my next project, I'm not
mad at it.
You know what I'm saying?
What makes you realize the music still matters?
Is it the shows?
Music still matters.
When I'm in the studio and I'm recording the music that I make,
it just does something to me, bro.
I love to record.
I love to challenge my brain.
All that shit, all that is, it helps.
It's like, it's brain food, brain power.
And it's very resourceful.
I mean, I saw the videos of your show from the other night and I was like,
damn, as an artist, that must be the only thing that makes people feel like
my music still matters. You could drop the Lovesick album and then two days later
they'll be talking about something else. Then you got to give them four more songs to get them back
focused on the project. That's what it just seems like from the outside looking in.
Well, honestly, bro, it's been a roller coaster.
This is probably about the most, I feel like,
the greatest blessings I've gotten from my album
or the biggest reception.
So, honestly, I just wanted to go.
I'm like full-blown, all cannons go.
Like, I just don't even really, I want to give fans whatever they want.
I want to give, you know, whoever's never heard or who's not up to game,
whatever, you know.
I'm just on some, if I got an opportunity to give, I'm trying to go up.
And only after a week, they already knew all the words, like dancing.
It was a great reaction last night.
But my favorite record on there is absolutely, well, it kind of changed between Lead the Club to now the Brent Fias joint.
But what's your favorite record?
If I had.
Why?
If I had with Charlie Wilson.
It was just a legendary moment.
I love Charlie.
I think Charlie is amazing.
And he's just like a dope guy.
Any intimidation getting in the studio with Charlie Wilson?
I'm not going to say intimidation, but him being an OG he is.
I didn't know how he would react to me or knew if he knew anything about me.
So that was the only type of, I guess, a little hesitation.
But he was so cool.
He just went in there and did his thing, you know?
Did he take direction well?
Did you give him notes?
Yeah, he did everything I really wanted him to do.
He did everything I wanted him to do, no question.
Whatever I needed out of him, he wanted to get it through,
and I respected that to the moon.
What adult in your life got excited about that record? My my dad my grandma grandpa all right word up we love the gap man we
love charles um justin bieber who wrote his verse man um but i know he ain't right about those damn
double cups yo you know me me me and justin we was just in the studio. Dude, dude, we was in L.A. in the studio.
Dude was in there with a red roller blazer on the mic.
We back and forth, like, we just, like, on the mic.
And I'm just wondering, because he had a lot going on at the moment.
And it was a certain couple things I really wanted him to touch bases on,
especially, like, when, you know, he come back to the city, Houston.
So, but Justin was really going crazy, though.
I'm not going to hold you.
He was feeling the vibe.
I had him just in his mode.
Did he record that before Future?
He recorded that before Future.
You got the lovesick short film on Amazon Prime, too.
Yes, sir.
Why did you know this needed a film or visual to go with it like this?
Honestly, I was just tired of, one, I wanted to, like I said,
I wanted to shoot a movie for my album.
And two, I was just kind of tired of doing a traditional video type thing.
I love music videos, but I wanted to give my fans
like another visual aspect of how I felt the music should be,
like, you know, played through.
Aesthetically, it's given like 70s.
What was the...
Late 70s. The whole
inspiration came from
Studio 54 and
disco culture.
I kind of started there and it turned into
everything else.
The cocaine
was way purer back then, man.
Word up.
How you know?
I heard about it.
I'm not that old.
You going on tour in the future, right?
Uh-huh.
One big party tour?
One big party tour on March.
Starts March 9th.
So what you going to do?
I'm going to go crazy.
How you going to keep in touch with family?
You going to bring some of them on the road with you?
See, this tour is like weekends.
It's kind of spotty.
It's not like every day.
So I'd definitely be able to bring my family out,
pull up, but it's not nothing too, too, too crazy.
Over the past few years,
how do you think your growth process has been
as a man and musically?
Honestly, I've just been wanting to be
the best version of myself regardless,
and I think that fuels everything. It I think that like it fuels everything.
It fuels the music.
It fuels me.
It fuels everybody else around me.
It just wanted me want to be the best possible Don I can be.
What does that look like though?
Like how does,
how do you get to that therapy?
Is it working out?
Is it meditation?
What is it?
It's a working out.
It's,
it's being able to think in the clear head space.
It's being able to eat, you know, correctly,
not, like, go crazy on a bunch of shit for no reason.
Like, you know, it's all about, like, what you indulge in, you know?
Like, get into something that's going to, like,
feed the brain a little bit more than something else.
Do you really feel like time heals all?
Yeah.
Because I used to feel a certain way about a lot of people,
but at the end of the day, I just realized that we are human.
So you learned to forgive.
Yeah.
All right.
Love that.
Congratulations on having a hell going platinum.
Yeah, thank you.
Yeah, pretty big deal.
Yeah, I love that song.
I love that album.
One of my favorites.
After Party is actually still one of my favorites.
I don't know if I can let it go.
I love After Party.
I think that's a forever, forever joint.
And I love that song.
All right.
Well, you know, listen, Nyla got a segment on this show called Pass the Ox,
where she plays new music every Friday morning.
Yes.
So what y'all want to get into off the new Lovesick album? Do you want to pick one, Nyla, or do you want him to pick one?
You know, my personal favorite is the Brent one, but do you want to do the Charlie one?
Yeah, or actually play Embarrassed.
Embarrassed?
Play Embarrassed.
Let's go with Embarrassed Red.
Why you feel that energy this morning?
Why?
I haven't stopped listening to it since it dropped.
Okay.
Okay.
I love that song.
We performed it last night.
It was just amazing.
Yeah, the Travis record.
Everybody's on it.
Let's get into it.
And it's your segment now if you want to play more than one Don Tolliver record you can.
I got to spread the love.
Okay.
I only got three tracks.
I got to spread the love. But we got only got three tracks. I gotta spread the love,
but we got you in there.
Let's get into it.
Here's Embarrassed.
Where did y'all record that?
Because I know you guys
be all over the world
recording together.
I recorded that,
I feel like, in LA.
Mm.
Yeah.
What was it like
in that studio session?
How'd y'all come up with it?
I was like,
this was one of those moments
where I just love Weezy's beat.
Weezy did that beat,
and I don't know, when I hear a Weezy's beat Weezy did that beat and I don't know
when I hear a Weezy beat
it just kind of puts me
in a certain mode
that particular 808
and snares
kind of puts me
in a mode with those
and it just
kind of
happened
one of those things
that just happened
super organic
kind of came out
so when that
Don Tolliver
Travis Scott
Best of Both Worlds
album dropping,
I know y'all got a collaboration project dropping.
I hope sooner than later.
Oh, so it's done?
No.
Oh.
Y'all got a lot of music together, I'm sure, though.
We got some tunes.
Yeah.
Is that something in the works?
It's a no-brainer.
Yeah, it's a no-brainer.
It's such a no-brainer.
It's just like, you know, one day day we're gonna press that button and get to work
but right now
we just
got records
and whatever
we
you know
we just
trying to get
off our own
shit right now
get it going
and boom
who's pushing
for it more
you Travis
or Sycamore
um
probably me
okay
alright
yeah
alright
it's Don Tolliver
man
thank you for
joining us
my brother
thank you
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